Volcano shrimp and brine shrimp, compatible?
I have a 10L volcano shrimp tank. S.G. is 1.018. However, the
shrimp mostly either hide in the rocks or sit on top of the rocks and barely
This makes it a pretty boring tank.
I know there are biotope specific tank mates you can get like alpha opae ula,
pipipi Nerites and Hawaiian dwarf hermit crabs, but as they are wild caught and
I live in Europe these are very expensive to import.
I was thinking a good, cheap tank mate that would fill the midwater column would
be brine shrimp. I have read they can live in water from S.G. 1.011 upwards.
<Mmm; worth trying... hard to keep alive in captivity for any real length of
Would it be possible to attempt this? I guess the main issue would be feeding,
since brine shrimp need to be fed regularly while it is recommended that volcano
shrimp be fed only infrequently and small amounts because they need clean water.
However I do have a sponge filter and I can increase the regularity of water
changes if necessary.
So do you guys think it might be possible to add a brine shrimp colony
to my volcano shrimp colony?
<I'd try other species myself... but see if you can keep Artemia alive here>
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
live blackworm colony in brackish water?
I am in the process of setting up a brackish tank for a violet goby I
purchased before doing adequate research. So now I'm trying to make sure
I get it right so I won't have to move "her" once in brackish water.
Currently she is housed (I know inadequately) in fresh water in a 55
gallon with several dozen guppies.
<A surprisingly good combo! Violet Gobies seem to ignore the adults, and
any impact on the baby Guppies seems to be trivial and accidental.>
Her current water parameters are pH 8.2, very hard water.
When I test the ammonia is always 0, nitrite 0, and nitrate never over
I use a thick (3 - 5") layer of organic dirt and sand that releases a
lot of tannins into the water. She loves to dig, dig, dig!
<Oh yes. They also enjoy gulping plankton (such as live brine shrimp) as
well as scraping at algae-covered rocks. They're very interesting
I love the look and behavior of this beautiful little goby. She seems to
be doing well, despite being housed in fresh water, and has grown 3/4"
in the last 3 weeks. I enjoy watching her dig and sift for food, so want
to make sure her permanent home encourages this natural behavior.
To this end I'm wondering if I could culture a self-sustaining colony of
blackworms in her eventual home.
<Almost certainly not. Lumbriculus don't have a very high tolerance for
salt; if you use Google Scholar and search for "Lumbriculus" and
"salinity" you'll find a fair amount of experimental data. While they
would probably do okay in low-end conditions, around SG 1.002-1.003 say,
they're unlikely to prosper at higher salinities. Bear in mind
Blackworms are freshwater Oligochaetes, and specialise in freshwater
habitats. Once the environment becomes brackish or marine, Oligochaetes
become much less significant players in aquatic ecosystems, being
replaced by the Polychaetes instead,
many of which are euryhaline and able to adapt to changing salinity
If I introduce them into the substrate and feed them in fresh water,
then slowly make the transition to brackish water do you think they
might adapt and survive?
<I would not put money on it, and a bunch of dead worms in the sand
isn't going to be much use to your water quality! In any event, even if
they did survive, I doubt they'd maintain sufficient populations to feed
You'd need many square metres of mud for that.>
Ideally I'd like to get the specific gravity as close to 1.010 as
possible for the health of the goby, but I might be willing to stop at a
lower salinity if acceptable to both worms and goby.
<Violet Gobies are euryhaline, and as happy at SG 1.003 as they are at
SG 1.010. As you have seen, they're quite hearty animals! They come from
mudflats and actually have the ability to survive in mud when the tide
goes out. What kills them is the total absence of salt over long
periods. Once you get into the brackish range, they're pretty much happy
Any info or advice will be much appreciated!
<Most welcome. Neale.>
re: live Blackworm colony in brackish water?
Neal, Thank you for your prompt, good natured, and incredibly
informative reply. :)
You mentioned that the blackworms might survive at SG 1.003 and that SG
1.003 would also be an acceptable salinity level for the goby, with the
caution that dead worms would be bad for water quality if they can't
take the salt.
Rather than throw in the towel over water quality fears, I propose a
little experiment. I'll set up a small spare aquarium I have with a
layer of dirt and sand, a filter, etc, as I would for the larger goby
tank - but all in miniature.
<An excellent idea.>
Then add a Blackworms culture and fresh water. Every 5 - 7 days add a
small amount of water with marine salt dissolved in it. I'll do some
calculations and decide how much water to change each day and what SG to
add. I think two weeks to target SG seems okay. If the worms survive use
them as the seed population when I set up the permanent goby tank.
<Indeed. Or else simply culture the worms in ideal conditions indoors or
even outdoors in a "water feature" of some sort, and then add the worms
to the tank as a periodic treat.>
As to your statement that I'd need several square metres of mud filled
with blackworms to adequately feed my goby, I figured with her potential
size and huge current appetite I'll have to continue my routine of 2 - 3
times a day feedings.
<Oh, certainly yes; at best, any "in aquarium" colonies of food will be
a mere snack, not a staple. Have you come across the book "Dynamic
Not an easy read, being aimed at academics setting up ecologically
balanced food webs in aquaria, but full of useful information. One of
the major themes is the HUGE amount of space required to produce
sufficient quantities of prey for even relatively small fish such as
freshwater Angels. Off the top of my head, it's something like 100
gallons for a
single Angel, that sort of ratio. Of course you're not proposing that, I
know, but I'd be surprised if the blackworms were able to maintain much
of a population in even a 55 gallon tank alongside an adult Violet Goby.
So even if they survive, topping up the supply with ones from another
tank or pond will surely be essential.>
I don't want her to mow through the entire Blackworms population at any
point, I just want them there for her to nibble to discourage boredom. I
know most fish are opportunistic feeders, so all my trouble might be
eaten in one glorious afternoon, but if the worms survive the salt I'll
keep some of the test pop population aside in brackish water to culture
and feed as treats. Let me know what you think :)
<See above. Definitely worthwhile, and a fun experiment, but skeptical
of long-term success. Cheers, Neale.>
re: live blackworm colony in brackish water?
Thought I'd update you with the final outcome of my salty blackworm experiment.
I set up a 20 gallon long tank with a decent colony of blackworms in fresh
water. Organic soil and sand substrate, seeded (cycled) mini corner matten
filter, and some rocks and fake plants. Then for two weeks I raised the specific
gravity by .001. At two weeks all was going well and the SG was 1.002. The worms
were really taking over - looked like a little forest sticking out of the dirt.
My violet goby, in the mean time, was wreaking havoc on my 55 gallon.
While all had seemed fine for a while, silt from all of its digging had built up
in the filter and began repeatedly clogged my matten filter to the point of zero
<Ah, yes, I can understand this. With big/jumbo fish, it's often easiest to
stick with relatively coarse media. Physically remove silt during water changes
rather than relying on the filter. Turkey basters are a good tool for "spot
cleaning" piles of uneaten food or faeces without having to waste more than a
I was doing daily 25% water changes and using a wet/dry shop vacuum to remove as
much of the silt from the filter foam as I could. With such restricted water
flow the ammonia and nitrite began building up, too. The guppies seemed
oblivious of the poor water quality, but Kappa (my goby) was looking sluggish
and red about the gills.
<Yikes! Do bear in mind these fish are facultative air-breathers. They're
actually pretty tough, able to survive in burrows in the wild. Of course one
adaptation to this might easily be becoming sluggish to conserve oxygen.>
So I transferred my goby to the 20 gallon (which had better water quality - 0
ppm ammonia, 0 ppm nitrite, and (if I'm remembering correctly) 60 ppm nitrate.)
Kappa promptly swam several circles around the tank, then dug under a rock.
Over the next week the 20 gallon long's water quality declined. I suspect this
was due to an insufficient population of beneficial bacteria to deal with my
Goby's size and messy eating habits. Kappa also did its best to clog up the
filter by digging through nearly every inch of substrate. Luckily I'd used a
thinner piece of filter foam for the corner matten
filter and it was easier to keep clean.
So just a caution to anyone considering violet gobies in a planted tank - skip
the dirt! Your water will be forever cloudy and your filters forever clogged
with silt. Instead do washed sand. It seems to work fine.
<Correct. Clean substrate and coarse filter media. Heavyweight filtration as
well, but you know that by now!>
Kappa seemed to really enjoy snacking on the blackworms at first, but once the
water quality stated to decline, its appetite did too.
So I was back to a sluggish, red-gilled goby in a muddy looking tank. I was
doing tons of water changes - sometimes twice in a day to lower the ammonia and
With all the back and forth water buckets, eventually the inevitable happened -
I miscalculated the amount of marine salt to add to get to my target SG (by now
I was up to 1.003) and got it too salty.
I knew pretty quickly - the worms shot up out of the sand and flopped over.
Some crawled around like they were looking for a way out...
As quick as I could I got the salinity down with another water change - this
time with no salt. The worms settled down. Kappa looked positivity ill. I stayed
and watched for a couple of hours, hoping all would be okay.
Then finally went to bed about 3 in the morning. I didn't record the SG that
night - but replaced about 10 gallons - so about 1.002 I'm guessing.
In the morning I went in to find the aquarium lid in the tank and my cat looking
very pleased with herself. Panicked, I took out all the rocks and fake plants,
even the filter looking for my goby, but couldn't find it.
Cautiously I felt through the substrate (I'd heard violet gobies can give quite
a bite) but found no Kappa. I sat down and cried.
A few hours later I went back in and there was Kappa swimming around! I'm
guessing it was buried in the dirt and I missed it somehow.
<See above. When stressed, they dig burrows. Like lungfish.>
Now the goby is in yet another tank at around SG 1.005 - there are no worms or
live plants to worry about, so I'm sometimes imprecise with my salt measurement.
<Which is fine. You can transfer Violet Gobies from fresh to marine and back
again and they'll be fine. They inhabit mudflats where the tide comes and goes,
and sometimes they might be under a river, sometimes under the sea, depending on
the time of day. As you can tell, selling them as freshwater fish is extremely
However the water quality is great and its gills are no longer red and its
eating and growing very well. The substrate is washed black sand - with a "dam"
of aquarium gravel up against the bottom edge of the matten filter foam to keep
Kappa from digging under and getting stuck halfway (which it did before I added
However, I consider the salty blackworm tank a partial success. The worms were
at SG 1.003 for nearly a week and thriving.
Kappa didn't manage to eat them all, but might have if it had felt better.
However, I learned just how easy it is to get the salinity level incorrect and
for that reason I don't think I'll try to establish an in-tank blackworm colony
in brackish water in the future.
Overall an informative and exciting experiment!
<Agreed; armchair speculation on my part is all very well, but an experiment
will usually provide the facts! Within reason of course -- senseless stressing
or killing animals for the sake of curiosity isn't something I condone. What you
were doing here wasn't that, and I'm pleased you were able to maintain worms and
goby with success.>
Thank you for your guidance!
shrimps, BR, UK 6/5/13
Hi wet web, especially Neale as he's an expert in the brackish field
<"Expert" may be too strong a word! More like an interest in brackish
Where I live in the UK, fish stores sell "river shrimp".
They are very similar to the "ghost shrimp" Palaemonetes
paludosus that a lot of people in the US seem to keep.
However, the "river shrimp" are kept in brackish water and are wild
caught in local estuaries, salt marshes and brackish water ditches.
<This is what I've been told, too… collected in Essex and Kent, from the
I did some research and I think these might be Palaemonetes varians as
that species is common in Europe and lives in brackish water conditions.
<May well be.>
Unfortunately, unlike the Paludosus, hardly anyone seems to keep Varians
long term (usually they are just feeders) so there's not much
information on them.
<Oh, I have kept them, and without problems. Very hardy and easy to keep
at room temperature in mildly brackish water. Main source of mortality
is jumping out of the tank!>
I have a few questions for keeping them long term:
- Are these shrimp suitable for aquaria?
- Can they be acclimated to freshwater?
- What SGs do these shrimp prefer?
<Anything from SG 1.005 upwards; ideally around SG 1.010, i.e., a 50/50
mix of freshwater and seawater.>
- If kept in brackish water, would they breed?
<Unlikely if they have a planktonic larval stage, which is probable.>
<Definitely worth keeping. When I was a teen, these shrimps were often
sold alongside Pomatoschistus species, and both are easy to keep with
minimal effort. Put the tank somewhere cool, keep the water well
aerated, and cover the aquarium well so they can't jump out. Pretty much
it. Kept thus, you should find they do fine for 6-12 months, perhaps
longer. For serious, long-term care, you'd almost certainly need a
chiller to keep the water temperature down, around the 14 degrees C mark
or lower. That's the tricky bit. Cheers, Neale.>
I've used WWM for information on previous occasions, but I'm
having trouble finding an answer this time around! I'm trying
to figure out what types of invertebrates are available commercially
that will thrive in a brackish system. I have a 90 gallon
brackish tank with a nice assortment of fishes, a few fiddler crabs and
2 Nerite snails...but I want to know if there are any other
invertebrate species (besides fiddler crabs, Nerite snails, and trumpet
snails) that may do well, especially those that will aerate the sand
(without reproducing wildly). I would LOVE to know if fighting
conchs would be able to do alright...as they are attractive when
visible and heavy burrowers. My specific gravity is currently
around 1.01 (or at least that's what my hygrometer reads).
<Do you mean SG 1.010? And at what temperature? This is critical. SG
1.010 at 25 C/77 F is 15.5 grammes marine salt mix per litre, but at 28
C/82 F 1.010 is 16.6 grammes marine salt mix per litre. Since the
standard temperature is 25 C/77 F, that's what most specific
gravity recommendations assume. Check, and act accordingly when
I would greatly appreciate it if someone could let me know any possible
<There is a HUGE variety of tropical brackish water invertebrates --
but unfortunately very few are routinely imported and/or explicitly
traded as brackish water invertebrates. Some are traded as marine
invertebrates, e.g., Clibanarius tricolor, the Blue-Legged Hermit.
Others are traded, erroneously, as freshwater invertebrates, e.g., the
Mangrove Horseshoe Crab, Carcinoscorpius rotundicauda. Even the odd
coldwater marine species gets sold as tropical brackish water species,
e.g., the Beadlet Anemone, Actinia equina. I do have a list of
invertebrates over on my Brackish FAQ, here:
Clibanarius vittatus and Clibanarius tricolor are the two easiest
brackish-tolerant hermits, widely sold as marine "clean-up
crew" and perhaps the best bet for SG 1.010 at 25 C upwards. There
are some great oddball Nerites like Clithon corona and Neripteron
auriculata sold as freshwater Nerites worth considering as well. If you
look over other livestock, review using their Latin name, and check to
make sure they're described as "euryhaline" and found in
brackish water. So far as I know, Strombus alatus are full marine
animals and not found in brackish water.
Generally, estuarine snails tend to be nondescript animals lacking the
spiny shells seen on reef or lagoon species. Cheers,
I was wondering if there was any brackish water starfish or
<Very few exist at all, and none are traded deliberately.>
I have a brackish water tank and I am always looking for some thing
different to go in it. If so do you know where I may be able to find
one or order one? Thank you for your time.
<There are brackish water invertebrates, including some species
traded as marines (e.g., Clibanarius tricolor ) and freshwater animals
(e.g., Clibanarius africanus). Depending on the salinity, there are a
variety of snails and shrimps that can do well. But in most situations
you're best off sticking with fish, if for no other reason that the
larger brackish water fish will view invertebrates as food. On the
other hand, if you're keeping small, low-end brackish species like
gobies and livebearers at SG 1.003 at 25 C, then you'll find things
like freshwater Nerites and freshwater shrimps do perfectly well and
are worth a gamble.
Re: Brackish water... stkg... echinos?
Any thing in your tanks you don't want that you kill give to me. I
want to try it in my tank your going to kill it anyways wouldn't
hurt to see if I can keep
<Hmm not sure I agree with you here. If an animal needs to be
killed, I insist that it be done humanely, i.e., quickly. Experimenting
with animals, for example keeping a starfish in a brackish water
aquarium, just isn't acceptable. There is a HUGE scientific
literature on osmoregulation in invertebrates, including much on those
species, such as Carcinus maenas, known to be euryhaline. Read up, and
in the meantime, peruse my Brackish Water FAQ that includes several
pages on invertebrates in the final section.
Viable Brackish stocking, or expensive
I was wondering if I could trouble you for a second opinion on my
stocking plan. I've tried searching online, but I can't find
enough information to be confident in my choices. I have a 30 gal tank
(36"L 12"W 15"H) with a Magnum 350 filter that I am
planning on converting to a low-end brackish tank. I picked the tank up
used when I needed somewhere temporary to keep the livestock in my
Sumatran biotope tank. Unfortunately my house shifted rendering the
tank non-level. I've since moved it to more stable wall and
now the 30 gal is sitting empty begging for fish.
My preliminary stocking plan is
1M:3F chocolate Lyretail mollies - hybrid of some type with a maximum
size listed at my LFS comparable to the other shortfin mollies
<Indeed. A good species for brackish water systems.>
6 fairy gobies - *Redigobius balteatus*
<Another good species, essentially identical to Bumblebee Gobies in
terms of care.>
10 Blueback blue-eyes - *Pseudomugil cyanodorsalis*
<A very rarely traded species, but known to be hardy and easy to
keep, in brackish/marine conditions at least.>
10 Rudolph shrimp - *Caridina gracilirostris*
<Another good species.>
I'm slightly concerned though that the blue-eyes and shrimp would
end up an expensive snack for the gobies. Would the pacific blue-eye
(*Pseudomugil signifer*) fare a bit better since it's larger? or
should I go with a different goby or schooling fish?
<I can't imagine the gobies eating the Blue-eyes. Shrimps are a
bit hit-and-miss, but I wouldn't expect them to eat the shrimps
either. Worth a flutter. These gobies are mostly eating zooplankton and
small insect larvae.>
Also, 11 months of the year, our water is very hard (as in almost
identical to lake Malawi). For the aquascaping of this tank, I was
planning on including some mussel, snail and oyster shells, along with
some of our local limestone and possibly aragocrete (as long as it
doesn't look too marine-like). Would the shells, marine salt and my
tap water push the hardness too high for a brackish tank?
Should I only be including shells during the month after the spring
melt when our hardness plummets?
<I wouldn't rely on shells or rocks to stabilise pH and
hardness. Instead, place a bag of crushed coral in the filter. A cup
should do. Keep this clean by rinsing under hot water every month or
so. It will dissolve into the water much more reliably than shells or
rocks covered with algae and bacteria. In any case, your marine
aquarium salt mix should be steadying pH and hardness all by itself if
the specific gravity is at least 1.005, which it should be for these
Thank you in advance for your help,
Black Pepper Size Critters in FW Tank - 7/2/08
Greetings from Georgia! <And reciprocal salutations for
Hertfordshire!> We apologize is this is covered elsewhere on
the site, as we found reference to white copepods, but not our
'bug.' Our 125 gallon community FW tank (1.002 salt) has
been up 15 months. It has 2-3 inches of LFS gravel. <Ah, 1.002
definitely qualifies as "brackish" -- that's about
4-5 grammes of marine salt mix per litre of water, or about
10-15% the normal salinity of seawater. Great for livebearers,
killifish, and other species that appreciate slightly saline
conditions.> For the first time, upon vacuuming the gravel and
changing water, our white buckets had 100's, perhaps
1000's of black (dark brown?) specks smaller than pepper
grains moving furiously in the bottom of the siphoned water
yesterday. I have never seen them before. <Likely only
copepods, ostracods, aquatic insects or similar.> They seem to
cling to larger detritus in the bottom of the bucket. Under a
hand held magnifying glass, no visible legs, eyes, spots,
antennae, stripes, etc turned up. Still looked like black pepper.
Our fish are healthy; these are not on the fish that we can see.
These are not visible in the tank. <OK.> They died pretty
quickly in the sunlight in 2" of the water outside at 90
degrees F daytime temperature. <How mean!> What are they,
are they harmful or good for the tank? <Harmless; indeed,
somewhat beneficial as they will be helping to speed up the decay
of detritus in the substrate, preventing anaerobic decay. They
will also provide a certain amount of food for species that graze
on or sift the substrate. If you have an excessive number of
them, it likely implies that there's a lot of organic matter
in the sediment, which implies you are either overfeeding your
fish or under-cleaning the substrate. Either way, controlling the
food supply will go a long way to restricting the population of
these organisms.> Many thanks, Don <Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Black Pepper Size Critters in FW Tank
- 7/2/08 Many thanks, Neale, we appreciate your
advice. <Most welcome!> I have visited your area years ago,
I think it dates back to the Bronze Age; I visited after that!
<I see!> Thanks for clarifying that we are indeed
"brackish." We will watch the overfeeding. <Very
good.> Your answer begs the question: Since we need (want?)
the gravel substrate to anchor our many plastic plants
(oxymoron?), the UGF is along for the ride and we don't see
getting rid of the UGF, it does the job. <Quite; UGFs can work
very well, provided their limitations aren't a problem for
your particular set-up. Turned into a reverse-flow system by
adding a canister filter to the mix instead of
powerheads/airstones and you have one of the single best
filtration systems around.> What is the thinnest we can go on
depth of the gravel and still accomplish the UGF function? We
understand too deep is bad (anaerobic dead spots), and too thin
does not accomplish the mission. <I'd recommend 8
cm/3". Does of course depend on the grade of the gravel;
finer gravel will provide more surface area per unit depth.>
It would seem that vacuuming and cleaning are simplified with a
minimal thickness of gravel. We operate two Aqua Clear 400 power
heads (1 in each back corner), and also a Fluval 405 and a Fluval
305. Again this is a 125 gallon tank with no live plants, and
approximately 50 community fish. The gravel is on a raised
plastic tray. We remove plastic plants, caves, etc to gravel so
there is never a dead spot due to a fixed decoration. <Ah, I
suspect a reverse flow system is precisely what you need. All you
do is connect the canister filter outlet to the inlet of the UG
filter plate. So water gets filtered mechanically by the canister
(removing silt and organic debris) and then pushed from
underneath the filter plate up through the gravel into the tank.
As it goes through the gravel, the ammonia and nitrite are
removed. The really big advantage is that the gravel now becomes
'self-cleaning' because silt and debris can't settle
into it; instead the upwards flow of water constantly cleans the
gravel, pushing fine particles into the water column.> Thanks
again for your time and efforts toward this fishy fun. Cheers,
Don and Rosemary <Cheers, Neale.>
Brackish Sponges and Regenerating Mangroves
4/17/08 Hello, I always read this amazing website for helpful
information! I have a new (been running for 3 months) brackish tank
with a SG of 1.006, and one Monodactylus (I did have two but he cruelly
mauled the other one). <Not uncommon behaviour; I've found
largish odd numbers, i.e., 5+ specimens work best. Mixing them with
Scats and West African Monos seems to help, strangely enough. Perhaps
stops any one fish becoming over-dominant.> I would love to keep
coral, but I have found that they cannot live in brackish water. I have
seen many pictures of colourful sponges growing on mangrove roots, and
they look surprisingly like coral. Please could you tell me if you know
there are any colourful brackish sponges available? <There are many
brackish water sponges, and actually quite a few freshwater sponges --
but to the best of my knowledge none of them are traded. While some
"reef" invertebrates have turned out to be shallow marine
environment organisms that do well in brackish water at middling
salinities -- Clibanarius tricolor for example -- I'm not aware of
any sponges or corals that fit into this category. Beadlet Anemones
(Actinia equina) do fairly well at reduced salinities to around SG
1.015, maybe lower, and despite being temperate organisms in the wild
can thrive in well maintained tropical tanks. I'd recommend those
perhaps as the best alternative, and sometimes they are traded as
"brackish water anemones". I'm actually a bit dubious of
their long term survival (they aren't normally found in mid- to
low-salinity brackish environments) but some aquarists have had
reasonable success with them If you live somewhere they are naturally
found, as here in England, you can of course collect your own as they
are very common organisms. When collecting wild livestock, do always
remember to take the minimum number, minimise disruption to other
organisms, and don't collect from places it is illegal or dangerous
to do so.> Also, I have a few Red Mangrove (Rhizophora mangle)
propagules in a pot. Because it is very cold here, I keep them in a
heated propagator. The other month, the pot fell over as I placed the
lid on to the propagator and this chopped the crown off three of the
mangroves, far behind the bottom growth nodes! Recently, little red
bumps have appeared at the base of the stems, and They have grown into
large glossy red buds! I am amazed, because I thought they would die
for sure! A few years ago, I killed a mangrove that had a very long
stem with 7-8 pairs of leaves by deliberately pinching the top bud off.
I have a small photo attached showing the buds. <Nothing
attached.> Hopefully they will grow further into interesting plants!
<Indeed; good luck!> Thank you very much for your time. James
Snail/Puffer Eco System 11/6/07
Hello, I am cycling fishless, currently waiting to set up a Figure 8
puffer in a 30 gallon tank. <Very good.> I have done a good
amount of research and one of the things I have noticed is that a lot
of sites say F8s dont need snails to wear their beak down, but the ones
that seem devoted to the brackish fish all say F8s needs snails,
including this one. <It's one of those points where "your
mileage may vary". Figure-8 puffers do NOT seem to be among the
Pufferfish species prone to overgrown teeth. South American freshwater
puffers (Colomesus spp.) and the Asian genera Auriglobus and
Chonerhinos seem to be much more troubled by this issue. This likely
reflects different rates of tooth-growth, presumably connected to
different types of food in the wild. But that said, Tetraodon spp. can
get overgrown teeth. So providing at least some shelly food is a good
idea, and snails are very convenient.> I am a bit of a softy when it
comes to live feeding but under the right conditions (one being I
really really like the fish, second being tank sustainability of the
live feeder) I will. <Indeed. Sticking live food into a tank adds a
load to the filter, and in the case of Pufferfish, there are clear
advantages to keeping water quality as a high as possible.> My
questions: What would be the minimum to feed F8s keeping them happy and
healthy. Say, a basic Feed snails every six months for a week response.
<It all depends. If you're giving the Pufferfish just soft food,
such as bloodworms, day in, day out, then you may find the teeth become
overgrown. In this case, using snails once a week would be a good idea.
But if you're feeding them unshelled prawns, frozen krill, live
woodlice and other prey that have shells already, the teeth may wear
down just fine by themselves. So rather than looking at snails as a
"cure", take an holistic approach instead. Try and make sure
most meals are "crunchy" so that the puffer's teeth wear
down all by themselves. The grocery store and the back garden will both
provide plenty of suitable fodder. Unshelled prawns can be taken apart
easily enough. You eat the yummy meat, but give the legs and tail-fins
to the puffers. My puffers love woodlice, and these make a very
satisfying crunching sound, suggesting that they are plenty hard enough
to wear down the teeth if used regularly. And so on. Use your own
common sense and see what you have to hand.> Second question is, is
there a snail that will out reproduce my puffer or out reproduce my
puffer enough that I would only have to buy a new set of snails every
few months or so? <The ideal in many people's opinion are the
small pond snail Physa spp. These are the semi-transparent snails often
seen in aquaria. They are easy to rear in ponds. But I have to admit my
puffers eat them only grudgingly, and normally only if I crush them
first. So again, your own experiences will have to colour your
actions.> This site states that the Malaysian Trumpet Snails are
okay for Brackish water but I have read elsewhere that they cant live
in any salt water. <Melanoides tuberculata will thrive at anything
up to around 50% seawater salinity. They are phenomenally durable
animals.> I do know they breed very fast. <Indeed. But some
aquarists have connected broken teeth on their puffers with the
presence of Melanoides snails. I have to admit to being skeptical of
this, having watched Pufferfish crack open oysters in the wild, but in
the interest of fairness I will at least recount those observations. I
have Melanoides snails in many of my tanks, and puffers will sometimes
eat the tiny juveniles. But they seem to show no interest in the
adults. Quite possibly their shells are too strong for the small
Pufferfish I'm keeping to open. On the other hand, I don't have
"plagues" of these Melanoides snails in my tanks, at least
not in the tanks with Pufferfish. So the puffers presumably do kill
enough of the juveniles to moderate population growth.> I know Olive
Nerites ARE brackish snails but also read they are slow breeders.
<Nerites don't really breed at all in aquaria. Their life cycle
seems to be fairly tricky to accommodate in captivity. Some people have
had success, but it seems more by luck than judgment. Be that as it
may, Nerites are practically bullet-proof, and small puffers don't
seem to be able to eat them.> Is there another snail that would fit
my bill? <The pond snail Physa is likely the balance between size,
ease of care, and willingness to breed. Apple snails could be reared
separately, but they don't last long in brackish water so would
have to be added "one meal at a time".> Basically my
thoughts are, if I have to feed live, I want to do it as minimal as
possible, or set up a system where, with other then a few
interventions, is nature-like and the live food can benefit from being
in the tank also. I am I crazy? <Not crazy at all. I've found
Pufferfish teeth get worn down "automatically" in tanks with
a combination of Melanoides snails and silica sand; one or the other
doesn't seem to work by itself. Possibly foraging in the sand
combines enough grit with the prey animal to do the trick. Others have
experimented with "feeding stones". These are rough rocks
such as Tufa and pumice into which suitable food (such as prawn) is
smeared and then any loose food rinsed off. To get the food, the
puffers need to work away at the rock -- just as they would do in the
wild. Yet others simply get into the routine of doing the dental work
as and when required. It's really not that difficult, though
admittedly requires a steady hand! Cheers, Neale>
Brackish Water Invertebrates 6/26/06
Hello Bob, <Nope, it's Pufferpunk here, to answer your BW
Qs.> I came across your site - very interesting and informative. I
have a brackish tank - it's been running about 3 years now and is
populated with Bumblebee Gobies. Can you tell me if there are any
brackish water invertebrates such as shrimp, etc which help keep the
tank clean and not eat/get eaten by the gobies? <Ghost shrimp should
work, if acclimated correctly. ~PP> Thank you, Melissa
Stanton Marine Inverts in Brackish Aquaria? -
01/03/2006 I've looked all over the web on this question.
<All of it? It's a big place.> So ya'll are my last hope
on this one. <I'll see what I can do Obi-Won...I
mean Michael.> I have a light brackish 29 gallon with an Archer and
a Leopard Puffer. My question is can I buy a saltwater crab
and acclimate it to my tank. <Generally speaking; no. Reef
Invertebrates come from one of the most stable environments and can not
adapt to such a change.> I am willing to increase my salinity, if
need be. <Research WWM re: the proper environment for marine
inverts.> I know puffers eat crabs and snails, however mine is
pretty small and well fed with lots of cover in tank for hiding.
<You'd be surprised how much damage that little beak can do.>
Maybe a larger crab or hermit? <See above.> Thanks, Michael
<Welcome, Adam J.>
3/12/05 Dear Crew, <Hi, Pufferpunk here> I have a GSP in a 10
gallon brackish tank. The fish appears fine and is eating fine. His
right gill slit is slightly opened (you can see a pocket of pink)
compared to the left but he is not laboring to breathe. I think he was
like that since I purchased him 1 month ago? No parasitic infestations
are apparent on the fish. There are however wiggly 3 to 5mm thread-like
worms swimming freely in the water and appear to be multiplying (not
sure). The fish is fed frozen and dried krill, blood worms and brine
shrimp and also live snails a few times per week. He is feed once a day
six days a week. The GSP is uninterested in these creatures but are
these worms parasites and potentially harmful to the puffer? They do
not appear to be Planaria or leaches or insect larvae. They might have
a head-really hard to make out however. Please advise or reference.
<The white worms you speak of appears in tanks that are overfed and
contain less than optimal water. They are harmless, but the fact that
they're in the tank means you need to feed less & do more water
changes (50% weekly is recommended). A 10g will not hold a GSP for
long. See: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm
Anemone & Puffers? 1/18/05 Bob
you have a great web site. <This is Pufferpunk here, but I'll
thank you on behalf of Bob.> My question is if you think a Beadlet
anemone would work in a brackish water system. I have read it
would. My specific gravity is about 1.020,
ph is 7.0 and since it is a new tank set up there is really not any
ammonia. <Although 1.020 is actually considered low-end SW, I
wouldn't suggest an anemone with your puffers. They may
try to eat it & get extremely sick. I have heard of them
dying this way. I am concerned about your low pH
though. SW requires a pH of at least 8 to keep it stable
& also your puffers & scat prefer a higher pH. what
kind of substrate are you using? Using aragonite or crushed
coral, should keep it around a steady 8. Has that tank been
cycled?> I have 1 green Scat and 2 Green Spotted
Puffers. <The scat will grow as large as your outstretched hand
& the puffers will get to be 6". Both are messy
eaters & high waste producers. Good filtration, a large
tank & regular weekly water changes are in order for these
fish. As juveniles, it actually is best to keep these fish
in a lower SG. See: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm>
Also I'm thinking about purchase a Snowflake Eel, but the pet shop
said the puffers were trying to consume the eel. Do you think that I
should purchase the eel anyway? I don't want to make the
deal then find eel pieces later. I think the problem was
that the eel didn't have a shelter to hide in. (I have two). <I
generally don't recommend keeping GSPs in with any sedentary
fish.> Please help!!!!!!! Sincerely, BrackishBeast <I
hope this helps, ~PP>
Brackish snails 4/13/04 <Hi, Pufferpunk
here> Are there any snails that can survive in salinity of
between .006 and 012? <Nope. There are no BW snails. FW &
SW snails will die in BW. ~PP>
Brackish snails 4/13/04 <Hi, Pufferpunk here> Are there
any snails that can survive in salinity of between .006 and 012?
<Nope. There are no BW snails. FW & SW snails will die in BW.
~PP> I saw this posted today and I do believe that the Olive Nerites
snail is a true brackish water snail native to Florida ( http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/sept2003/invert.htm). I
have a dozen of them in my brackish (1.010) tank and they do quite
well. I also have several dozen in my freshwater tanks although soft
water can cause shell erosion over time. These are the most versatile
snails I've ever had since they eat algae, leave plants alone, are
adaptable to a wide variety of water conditions, and my clown loaches
don't eat them. They're also inexpensive at www.azgardens.com.