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A 2" Passer Angel in the wild
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A 4" Passer in captivity
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A one foot Passer in the wild
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Passer Angel & Noxious Soft Corals
10/17/16
Hello-
<Hey John>
My set-up in question here. I have a 220 gallon reef tank,
50 gallon sump, a 3200 gph return pump, oversized protein skimmer, and
two internal power
heads (4500 gph each),
<Wow>
plus two 72 inch LED strip lights. I am considering the addition of a
Passer Angel. I've extensively read about them.
My main concern and question is that I have some noxious soft corals,
i.e.; various types of mushroom species and a toadstool leather. Would
these soft corals be destroyed or OK?
<Mmm; I've collected, had several Passers... and know of others; For
Holacanthus sp. they're generally (more than 80%) usually "okay" with
such noxious Cnidarians. I therefore give you good odds>
I am considering a 2 inch Passer to purchase.
<And even better likelihood of all getting along if started small>
Thank you!
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Re: Passer Angel & Noxious Soft Corals 10/18/16
Thank you Bob!
<Glad to share John. BobF>
Passer Angelfish/Compatibility 5/17/12
Hey crew!
<Shea>
I have a question about Passer Angel compatibility. I have a 220 gallon
FOWLR tank that has been set up for about three years now. It's current
residents include a Harlequin Tusk, Volitans Lion, and a Dogface Puffer.
I am looking at getting an angel and thought the Passer would be a more
suitable option over the Queen or Emperor. What are your thoughts on
this?
<They are all about the same as far as aggressiveness is concerned but
the Passer would be better for your size tank as it doesn't grow quite
as large as the other two choices. regardless of your choice, you
will eventually need a larger tank. A 220 gallon tank doesn't
offer a lot of room for a one foot fish.
Thanks, Shea
Ghost white Cortez Angel...first
ever. 6/29/11
OMG!
Look what we just caught in Mexico...
<Ahh, the royal "we">
This is the first and only white Cortez angel I have ever seen in
30 years of diving.
Clarion angels and hybrids are much easier to get.
I wonder what to charge for it?
Japan will take it for 3.5 k.....but perhaps it might stay on
this side of the world.
Better photos very soon i.e.. Friday.
Many Cortez and passer angels coming in as well.
<I thought you were still in jail for the Clipperton incident.
BobF>
Steve Robinson
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Re: Ghost white Cortez Angel...first
ever. 6/29/11
Jail?
I have been working . Mexico all this time!
You must have been talking to a competitor...always a source of
good info.
<Ahhh. Thank you for this correction>
We got 2 hybrids in February, I nearly went to Easter Island in
March....Mexico in April again.... and the permits for our new
station were issued in May....I set up a new station and we have
been shipping for over a month.
<Nice!>
The white Cortez is a first [ the photos terrible] and although
many passers have shown a melanistic streak, we have never seen it
in Cortez.
It will help pay for the new station.
<I collected in Baja and the Revillagigedos before you... have
never seen such a genetic mosaic period>
[USFWS killed the Clippertons they took....by aquarium error i.e..
too many fish in a instantly set up tank.]
<Rats!>
Clipperton was to be again with the Monaco Aquarium on board this
time but the tanker grounding put everything off the table for
now.
Steve Robinson
Re: Ghost white Cortez Angel...first
ever. 6/29/11
I've only been collecting in Baja since the first permit in
1979....
We shipped our first ever.....20 boxes on Jan 4th, 1980.
<Has it been this/that long? I remember first meeting you in the
early 80's w/ Chris Turk, here in San Diego... I testified to a
federal court re Bob Snodgrass and Don Wilkie (the then Chief
Aquarist and Director of the (William T. Vaughn) Scripps Aquarium)
re charges against them re collecting during the ban... in 93 I
believe. BobF>
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Hey everyone.... Passer Angel sel.,
sys. 2/26/10
<Hello Jason>
I wanted to get a few opinions on the Passer Angel.
<A quite wonderful fish, and hardy as well>
My local pet store has a 4" Passer and I am really interested. I
have done thorough research and I see that they are rather
aggressive.
<Yes, they can be>
How aggressive and to what other Angel could they be compared?
<Mmm, maybe a Queen although this fish gets much larger>
I have a 100g FOWLR setup with just Butterflies and a Tang. Will this
be a suitable home for him temporarily or is he going to destroy my
Butterflies?
<No, I'm sorry to say Jason that your tank is far too small for
this fish.
It does grow smaller than some of the larger Angels (to about 14 inches
max, and less in captivity) but you still need a tank more than twice
the size of the one you have now. Read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PasserAngF.htm>
I have a Raccoon, Heniochus and a Yellow Tang (all at 3" or
below). The research states they need large quarters and that they are
very aggressive but do you think this could work since my tank is
lightly stocked?
<No I don't>
If not, which other angels could you recommend for a 100g in the larger
genus (not pygmy/Centropyge).
<None of the Pomacanthus or Holacanthus genus will work here. You
might find one of the smaller Genicanthus, Chaetodontoplus or
Apolemichthys species that grow to a max of about 6 inches in the wild.
Perhaps something
like a Chaetodontoplus mesoleucus, or an Apolemichthys xanthotis, but
these fishes really do better in reef set ups. Read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/apolemichthys/index.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/chaetodonoplus/index.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/genicanthus/>.
Thanks a lot
<No problem, Simon>
26/02/10 Hey everyone....trying to shoehorn
large Angels into small tanks... Passer, Pomacanthid sel.
f'
<Jason>
Based on what I read within the links you gave, it pretty much states
what these fish "should" be housed in.
<Yes>
Basically I was asking if it was possible to house this fish in my 100g
and after reading I see that it is.
<Yes. It is also 'possible' to keep an Alsatian in your
garage its whole life, but you can pretty much guarantee that it
won't be happy or healthy>.
I see your trying to give this animal the largest living space
possible
<No, for this I would recommend 500 gallons+, and I believe I stated
that you need at a minimum more than double what you have. I would say
250 gallons>.
but based on what I read it can still live in the quarters I have.
<It can stay alive for a while, yes, but it will have a shortened
lifespan for sure. Large angels like this can live 30 years. That is
what you are taking on with this fish, but it won't go anywhere
near that long in your tank. Had you really spent some time
'reading' you would know this. The fish if crowded will be
stunted in growth. This is cruel, and you will be guilty of cruelty,
especially if you have been warned, which you have.>
Kinda like having a bird in a cage and/or around your house, yes
it's used to much larger quarters but it does just fine in the
not-so-large quarters it's in (considering you provide a good home,
nutrition and exercise).
<This depends on the bird. Obviously a canary would be ok. Do you
think an Eagle would be ok in your living room? No, this fish will not
'do fine' it will be stunted. With a large head and small body.
And it will die young. Does this sound 'fine' to you? Have you
ever seen large angels that have been kept in small tanks like this for
several years? With HLLE and deformed spines? No, you obviously have
not but I have and I can tell you it is not a pretty sight. Is that
what you want in your living room?>
From what I know through my experience, unless severely constricted,
most animals will learn to adapt (I am less knowledgeable about fish
though lol).
<This IS severely constricted, and no animal can 'adapt' to
a smaller body.>
I could see if I was putting a 17" angel in a 55g tank but this is
a 100g.
<? You are under the impression that 100 gallons is a large tank. It
is not, it is a medium-small tank, and for an animal like this it is
tiny, in fact putting an Angelfish like this in a 100 gallon tank is,
to be perfectly honest, ludicrous.>
But after all this I see now that the size of it's home is more
based on it's temperament rather than overall size.
<No, it is not, you have this backwards. Where have you been
reading/ who told you this? The size of it's home is based on its
maximum size, and it's nature. These fishes need space to grow, and
to roam. It's temperament determines what fish you place with it.
Totally different, you do not understand the fishes needs at all. You
need to go back to the drawing board here Jason>.
I guess I just wanted to know what type of personal experience you had
with this species regarding it's aggression.
<I have never kept this fish personally, but I have seen it in
aquariums, and I have kept similar species (Holacanthus). This is an
aggressive fish, but that is not the issue. You have been warned,
Jason, and I leave it to you and your conscience about what you decide
to do>
I'll just do some more research.
<I would. If you don't understand the basic needs of these
difficult fish, then you are not yet equipped to keep one>
Thanks anyway Simon
<No problem>
Re Passer query; sel., Pomacanthids as well
3/1/10
Hi Simon,
<Hi James>
I think you did a good job on the Passer query.
<Thanks! I do think, that in my passion to see these fishes housed
properly I do get a bit emotionally carried away sometimes, but I
suppose if I have conveyed the correct message then that is the main
thing>
In my 30+ years experience, I have always came across folks like this
who believe things will be different for them, like they are going to
change the physiological process of animals.
<I surely believe you have heard it a million times...>
You pretty much told it like it was and now it's up to him whether
to attempt to defy nature.
<Yes, and even if he does not, then hopefully others might be
dissuaded from taking a similar path by reading and learning from
proper resources such as WWM>
James
<Simon>
SICK FISH EMERGENCY... Passer Angel
mistreatment 4/26/08 Hi, <Tim> I need some urgent
help here and seek your advice. I have a passer angel who has suffered
some poor water quality conditions, namely enduring a tank cycle and
subject to elevated nitrite levels after dealing with the prerequisite
ammonia battles. <Why?> The tank now appears to be cycled and
water quality is good on all tests. The problem he is facing now
appears to be an infection of some sort with visible sores, lots of
mucus on the outside, and rapid gilling. He looks like he's on the
verge of death. I am trying to think of what to do for him. I am
thinking of doing some type of medicated freshwater dip, but not sure
what to go with. I have Methylene blue on hand but I'm thinking he
needs something more. Is there something I should do to treat this as a
bacterial infection? <Perhaps a Furan compound...> Is there a
stronger medication I should try with dipping him? <... insufficient
data...> What remedies would you suggestion for the triage and
longer if he makes it? Any help is GREATLY appreciated! Tim <This
species of Holacanthus really suffers from being overly-stressed... It
may well be too late for this specimen. I'd be reading here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/fishindex3.htm the first tray... on Marine
Angels... Bob Fenner>
Passer Angel... Sys. 3/14/08
Hello Bob I'm looking at getting a smaller of one of the
larger angels, and have been reading alot <... no such
word> on the Passer/King Angelfish. In one of your articles
you had stated they should max out at around 9", but I have
read 9", 10", 12" and 14". Could you point me
in the right direction for the passer's max size in a
aquarium. <... really mainly depends on the size of the
system... the nine inch is a good general maximum length for
almost all hobby sizes...> I have a 125 gallon, <Won't
get even this size here> will a 4" to 5" through
adult size passer be ok with blood shrimp, boxer shrimp, cleaner
crabs and snails, <May eat any/all...> 1.5" neon goby,
3" p. clown, 4" yellow tang and a 3" regal tang?
If not would one of these be a better angel for my system, and
are these max sizes right? Annularis (max 8")Queensland
Yellow Tail ( max 10") Black Velvet (max 8") <None
of these Pacific Angels is really suitable for a 125 gallon
volume> Also I would like to get a dwarf angel, maybe a flame,
can you mix dwarfs and large angels? Thanks alot Todd <See WWM
re... BobF>
Re: Passer Angel... Large
angels, sel., need to proof writing... for grammar, clarity
? 03/18/08 How's it going Bob I didn't realize a
passer angel was such a bruiser, with more reading I have
realized that. <... run on...> It sounds like a asfur angel
or a emperor angel would be ok with my shrimp, crabs and some of
the smaller fish, they sound a little more peaceful (or at least
not as aggressive). Do you agree? <With what? Relative
compatibility? Not really> Would a queen angel be ok with
shrimp, crabs and smaller fish, I've heard good and bad about
the queen's, What's your opinion? <... posted> You
stated that a passer angel will not even get 8" in a 125
gallon, I thought angels would out grow their tank if it was not
big enough, and that was the point off getting a big enough tank
or a small enough (growing to max size adult) angel, to start
with. <...? What? To provide adequate living space, expression
(age...), health...> That's why I was looking for one of
the smaller, bigger angels. The asfur angel and emperor angel get
about 15" to 17" max size, and the asfur angel will max
out at about 8" to 9" in captivity, Will the emperor
angel max out at 8" to 9" also in captivity?
<Often> I though a 72"X18"X20" aquarium
would be plenty big enough for a 8" to 9" angel,
<Not really> I know they need room to swim, but that seems
like enough for that size angel, I can see that size not being
big enough for a 15" to 17" angel, but i figured it was
plenty for a 8" to 9" angel. What size do you suggest
for a 8" to 9" angel? <... For what? Size system?
Eight feet long or larger, 2-3 hundred gallons> In a previous
email on cleaner shrimp and gobies you stated that (they
don't eat the encrusted stage of ich lying on the sand and
rocks, or at least reliably, and the other two stages can't
be seen). So how do they help control ich then, if they can't
see two of the stages and the third one they barely feed on?
<Ahh! Posted also... Control, not cure... mostly (apparently)
by making the host fishes feel better> I have seen them
cleaning fish lots of times, I always thought they were picking
the parasites off? <Nope. RMF>
Re: Passer Angel, responding to folks who
don't have the common courtesy to follow simple
instructions... go someplace else ? 3/18/08 Bob
<Todd> I know a lot of that stuff is posted, I just
don't understand all of it, which is why I'm writing you
about the stuff. And I'll be the first one to tell you my
grammar isn't the best, but I try my best for you. Don't
you enjoy talking about this stuff???? Seems like you just
want to use your expertise to be a jerk to the inexperienced!!!
You were a teacher right? When your students didn't
understand the material and asked questions, did you just tell
them its posted? It's obvious you care more about belittling
me and other fish hobbyists about our grammar and what we
don't understand, then to give us a hand and help us out.
I've always been very nice to you in my emails and it's
ridiculous the way you act towards me in your replies
(considering how much you say you love the hobby). One of my
hobbies is racing and sports cars. I couldn't imagine acting
like you do towards somebody that was asking a question about
something that was one of my favorite things in life. I would
love to help them, no matter how bad their grammar and how stupid
the question. Seems your only nice to the knowledgeable
one's with good grammar. <Thank you. Go elsewhere.
B>
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Adult passer angelfish, shipping trauma.
12/15/2007 <Very common... specimens more than about 4"
total length don't "ship well"> I recently received a
large adult passer angelfish from a mail order fish store which shall
remain nameless since they have been nice about this. The fish arrived
in terrible condition, dazed and confused and in ~65 degree water that
was loaded with waste. I've had it in my 175 gallon tank for a day
now and not surprisingly it won't eat and it is very sluggish
though mobile, taking laps around the tank occasionally. <The last
behavior leads me to have hope...> I wonder if any of you know what
types of stress tropical marine fish can take and what the prognosis
for such a fish is and what I can do to maximize chances of keeping it
alive and even better acting like the bold, curious fish it is supposed
to be. It really is very sad seeing such a beautiful fish like this
fall apart. Thanks, Omar. <I'd keep the lights off to low... if
you have to for other livestock... and not be overly concerned if the
fish doesn't feed, do much of anything for a few days. Again, the
swimming about behavior is a good sign. Bob Fenner, who did collect
this and other "key" (i.e. expensive) species al sur off and
on for decades.>
Re: Adult passer angelfish, shipping trauma.
12/19/07 Hi Bob and crew. The Passer has not visibly
gotten parasites or anything out of the ordinary since I last emailed
you but it is still not eating and has gotten very sluggish, lying on
its side much of the time until today. <... I would notify the
shipper... These symptoms are case-perfect for a specimen that has been
chilled... Happens... quite often... in hauling, live-shipping "up
the line" from its E. Pacific subtropical distribution...> I
tried blowing Cyclop-Eeze at its mouth last night and I don't know
if it was only coughing or eating but today it was more alert and even
elevating itself off the bottom. I know you aren't here to see this
fish but I'll ask anyway. Is this just a last burst of energy
before dying or did inhaling the Cyclop-Eeze actually help it? I've
given it Cyclop-Eeze several times today and after just about giving up
on the fish I'm once again hopeful it may live. Its eyes are still
presenting as very alert and actively scan and follow motion. It is
just the fact this guy won't eat I think that is getting him down.
Any suggestions beyond what I have done would be helpful. <There is
naught to do really... Either this fish's protein-enzyme systems
have been overly challenged and it will perish... or rally. Keep the
system, specimen stable... and hope. BobF>
Live Sand Storage and Passer Angel... sel.,
dis. 8/3/07 Hi Crew, I just set up a 125 a few weeks
ago for a Passer Angel I bought that is 10 inches. <Needs a world of
more than twice this size... and large angels (for the species) are
indeed not often good-adaptors to captive conditions... Best to start
with a "medium size"...> I first saw him when I went to
look for a Marine Betta that he was housed with and he bit off the
Bettas tail right before I bought him. I still bought the Betta and his
tail grew back plus the clerk cut 10.00 bucks off the price. He will
not be having a rematch since they will be in separate tanks. I have
the Passer in a QT tank of 50 gallons and he came down with velvet?
<...> The pet store held him for a month for me and I bring him
home and he gets velvet in a week? <Maybe... where is the parasite
coming from?> This has happened in the past with all Angels I have
bought? None of the other fish ever get it? <???> Yesterday I
freshwater dipped him and today it was coming back and freshwater
dipped him again and put him in another QT tank or hospital tank for
his 15 day copper treatment. 125 should be done cycling by then. He
looks healed after the freshwater dip and Im shocked how fast it comes
back. In my QT tank I understand the copper will kill my bio
filtration. How much of a water change should I do to keep water decent
and how often? <As much as necessary. See WWM re> Also would I be
better off using cycled water or premixed water for the water change?
<The former... if you can be assured that it is parasite-free>
One last question and Im sorry for be long winded. I bought a used 90
gallon just for the filtration because it was to good to pass up. The
live sand I don't need right now and was wondering how I should
store it? <Yes... but not as such. That is, it won't be very
live with time going by in storage... and will need good rinsing,
perhaps bleaching and dechlorinating ahead of future use> I see it
in bags in stores but not sure if that's the right way. Thanks for
taking the time to read this and I thank all you guys for making this
complicated hobby make since! Rick <A bit of a definition
difference. There are sand products that tout being "live"...
but this is a bit of a misnomer... They may be primed for bacterial
population growth, but definitely lack higher phyla presence. Bob
Fenner>
Passer angel compatibility 7/20/07
Hello to Bob and crew, I have a Passer Angel on reserve for me at the
local fish store, and I have a few questions about compatibility. First
the tank is 125G long (6') with a wet/dry filter with UV and
protein skimmer as well as 80lbs of live rock in the tank. Yes, I am
expecting to upgrade in a year or so. Although I think I would be fine
with the wet/dry, I have started the project of turning the wet/dry
into a sump/fuge and should have that done shortly. The tank has been
up for about six months and currently holds a Foxface Lo, Longfin Goby,
and cleanup crew. On to the fish list; the Passer is 4-5" and has
been at the LFS for more then two months. It has survived Popeye from
its initial shipment into the store and the stores system going through
an ich outbreak and subsequent copper treatment. The Passer is eating
well and quite personable. I swear the other day when I went to look at
him he came up to the front of the tank to say hello. After getting the
Passer acclimated to his new home, I would like to add a trigger and a
tang. Would I be ok adding a Hawaiian Black Trigger in a few months and
then a tang, looking at red sea sailfin, powder brown, or yellow, a few
weeks to month after that? Thanks for your help and I appreciate all
the knowledge I have already learned off your website. James from TN
>>>Greetings James, Jim here. Passers are very aggressive
fish, and should almost always be added to the tank last, even when we
consider that you're going to add a trigger (which normally should
be the last fish added). Best Regards Jim<<<
Re: Passer Angel compatibility 8/10/07 Well sad day... The Passer
has since died and the culprit from what I can tell is the Foxface Lo.
He loved following the Passer around and every now and then the Passer
would turn and give him what I call, "the get off me stance."
They had been together for nearly two weeks and I came home to find the
passer dead on the sand with a swelled area on his side. His color was
still good and he was eating a variety of foods two to three times
daily so I do not think it was diet or environment. I tested the water
regularly and Ammonia, Nitrites, and Nitrates were at 0, salinity of
1.024, Ph 8.4, and temp at 79 degrees. Am I missing something or would
I be ok with taking the Foxface back and trying again with another
Passer in the near future? Thanks in advance. James in TN
>>>Passers are as tough as nails, with good water parameters
you shouldn't have any trouble. Just keep in mind their eventual
size and VERY aggressive nature. He'll end up alone eventually in
anything smaller than a 150 gallon tank. Jim<<<
Angel, passer sexing 4/14/06 Dear Bob
<Alan> I am a marine aquarist of some 30 years, living in South
Africa. <Greetings to you> I purchased a Holacanthus passer six
months ago, <Wow... a long way from its TEP "home"> and
have just purchased a 180 gallon aquarium for the fish, which is
currently growing up in a 63 gallon. The passer is approximately 11 cm
in length and has slowly begun to change to adult colouration.
<Gorgeous> The fish has yellow pelvic fins, and I would be really
keen to know its sex. Half of the literature I read says that males
have white pelvic fins, and the other half indicates that females have
white. Which is correct? <You know... I don't think/believe
either is. Have seen this fish in S. Baja, along Nicaragua, Costa Rica,
the Galapagos (in huge numbers), collected it commercially in the Islas
Revillagigedos... and there did not appear to be a consistent sexually
dichromic pattern> I would dearly like to attempt to house a pair in
the 180 gallon. <Mmm, this is really too small a system for this...
Perhaps a 300 plus... or just having an "adult" and another
much small sub-adult specimen> Many thanks in advance. My best Alan
Jardine <Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Re: passer sexing, Holacanthus beh. - 04/19/06 Dear Bob
<Alan> Many thanks for your comments and speedy reply. Much
appreciated. <Welcome> I am still a little perplexed as to why
certain individual passers have white ventral/pelvic fins, while other
have yellow ventral/pelvic fins. <Have pondered this myself...>
Would this then just be an individual or locality difference? <More
of the latter in my experience. Specimens further South seem to have
more yellow "on average" by far... can send/show you pix of
aggregations in the Galapagos with all yellow pecs... but there are
populations/times when they're quite yellowish further to the
northern limits of this Holacanthus species range... and no real
whitish and yellowish individuals mixed in either> Apologies for
being painful, but being stuck out at the tip of Africa, we do not get
to see many of these species. If it were possible to sex, I could
source a 300 gallon as per your recommendations. Would need to be sure
that I was obtaining a passer of the opposite sex though before
purchasing, as these guys are costing close to a months salary.
<Mmm, having collected several hundred "pieces" (term in
the industry for individuals), and having a liking for the species,
knowing a bit re others (part. H. tricolor) reproduction ala Thresher
et al., am given to ask what your interest is in attempting to house a
male and female together. This species has a large lek territory...
with males "flitting about" over even larger territories...
much larger than aquariums. There are likely very few actual males as a
ratio... Bob Fenner> Many thanks again My best Alan Jardine
Looking for Passer angels I have started a new business and are
trying to find a good wholesaler in Mexico that could give me a good
price on passer angels could you help me <for their nearby
collection to you in the Sea of Cortez you should be able to find
someone in Mexico to ship these to you. I know of none... perhaps Bob
does. Else, inquire at these US places- http://www.qualitymarineusa.com/home.html
http://www.themarinecenter.com/
kind regards, Anthony>
Passer Angel I was wondering about my passer angel. I just
got it last Sunday (the 25th, I think) and it is getting along
wonderfully with my maculosus and black durgeon. I noticed that the
water in the bag it came in had some left over food in it. About a day
or two after it went into the tank, I noticed what I believed to be
rapid gill movements. Tim Koberg from FFExpress suggested that I lower
the temp of my tank from 80 deg to 76 deg. His reasoning was that the
passer is collected from cooler water. So I did that. he did say that
if problems still persisted then it was prolly a gill parasite but that
a "strong, healthy fish like a passer should be able to fight it
off w/o medication" My passer never seems scared, swims fast and
all the time and gets his far share of the food. I feed three times a
day, Angel formula, trigger formula, and formula 2 and the passer is as
big a pig as my other two fish. However, I have noticed him scratching.
I DO NOT see and visible parasites and I actually think his gill
movements may have returned to normal. What do you think? Should I do a
fresh water dip? Should I install a UV sterilizer that I have in
non-use in my basement? Any advice would be appreciated. Have a good
holiday- Yaron >> >> TK's advice seems sound... and/but
it's too late for a dip... what happened to quarantining the new
livestock? I would attach the UV and hope for the best at this point.
Bob Fenner
Passer Angel I recently wrote to about what types of food to
feed my Passer Angel. He was eating a variety of frozen foods and
"popcorn" shrimp. He has now stopped eating and gone
into hiding. He has very rapid gill movements and his swimming is
very sporadic. He does not have any external parasites or markings
that I can see. Any help you can give me would be
greatly appreciated. >> Do you suspect some sort of
"gill parasite"? Did you introduce something to the system
that might have brought this in? Do you have any biological cleaners?
This angel will "present" itself to unfamiliar ones... I
would place them... maybe Lysmata Shrimp(s). Or, another real
possibility... some form of chemical poisoning/trauma... a very large
water change, change in salt mix, loss of protocol of pre-mixing before
use... utilization of a "medication", "supplement"
that could well have "burned" the animals gills.... Do you
have the fish in a system with Live Rock? I would... and wait a good
week w/o "doing" anything (don't move, dip, net the fish)
and see if the situation solves itself. Better to be a patient observer
at this point. Bob Fenner
Passer angel I have a 75 gallon fish-only system that has
been running about 8 months. I have a wet/dry filtration system
with a built-in-protein skimmer. I recently purchased a Passer
(King) Angelfish and a Harlequin Sweetlips. I am having a hard
time finding foods that they will eat. The Passer will take
brine shrimp and blood worms, but the Sweetlips will not eat
anything. What foods do you recommend? >> Actually, I would
return the Sweetlips (Plectorhinchus spp.)... my least favorite group of grunts
(family Haemulidae)... they rarely eat anything in captivity... have the worst
score for historical survivability... Try some of the frozen "Angel" foods
to get the Passer eating prepared foods... it will soon be accepting most
any/everything. Bob Fenner, whose many survey pieces on suitable and not species
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