swim bladder disease? 11/18/19
Hi Guys and good evening from Thailand. Another mastery (mystery?) to me. One of
our clients called me and mentioned that his Picasso Trigger
was doing weird about a week ago. When we went for a look we thought he was
doing ok as when come around we mostly feed the fish frozen seafood mix and all
looked fine him eating and all but we decided to put a Wifi cam on his aquarium
<Neat!>
so we could monitor the fish while we were not there. Now in 2 days time we saw
the fish go real bad with what we seem to think is Swim Bladder disease with the
fish not being able to swim upright anymore and seem to have lost all control of
his swimming....we attached a clip of the fish in the actual
aquarium with him being flung around due to the flow in the aquarium made by the
owner yesterday.
The aquarium is 1m x 1m and 1.6m high with water parameters all optimal only
Nitrate being slightly elevated at 40 but this has always been an issue in that
aquarium.
Now today we took the fish out and put him in our QT system at our place for us
to be able to monitor and treat him.....We also added a clip of the fish in our
system just added scooting on his side over the bottom...Now the question is
....1st is it swim bladder disease you guys think looking at the clips and 2nd
how can swim bladder just show up in a healthy fish (being in that aquarium for
4+ years? so quickly?
<No "clips" attached. Please do send just links to these, after you upload them
elsewhere (maybe YouTube)>
Nothing was added in that aquarium for at least 3+ years now so nothing external
could have effected the fish.
3rd if it is swim bladder how best to treat....I hear only time might or might
not heal but are their any tricks or things we can do to try and fix this
fish....Thanks Dirk
<Well, a brief review. Like the "human cold", "swim bladder" is really not a
disease per se (i.e., not caused by specific pathogens, nutrient issues,
environment...) but a condition, a symptom... In this case what sort of causes
might be responsible? As you state, the fish has been here and the system going
for years. You don't mention other livestock, but/so I'll assume there's nothing
awry with them. My best guess is that there is something either long term
nutritionally deficient, a neuronal genetic expression coming to fore, or a
biological agent in the brain of this fish.
I don't know of any direct treatment that would definitely cure the trigger, but
administering Epsom (see WWM re) and Selcon to the water might ease this fish's
symptoms.
Please see Mark Evans piece on swim bladders of fishes:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_3/cav3i3/swim_bladders/swim_bladders.htm
Bob Fenner>
Re: swim bladder disease? 11/18/19
Mister Bob,
sorry for that something must have gone wrong uploading them. Please see
LINK to posted on YouTube...Dirk
https://youtu.be/0knN-RxY4J4
https://youtu.be/7hmiIlsBtqA
<Mmm; this disoriented swimming... reminds me of Myxosoma... "Whirling
disease"... again (unfortunately) I don't know what the root cause might be
here; nor what might effect a change. BobF>
Re: swim bladder disease? 11/20/19
Hi Mister Bob,
Is Whirling disease not a more fresh water parasitic disease?
<Yes>
What I can find online about it is it seems to effect salmon and trout?
how did that get into a saltwater trigger?
<Not likely the same causative mechanism; no. Just making/made comment re
symptomology>
You exclude swim bladder looking at the clips?
<... There IS NO SUCH thing as swim bladder disease, but the mal-function of
such either results in the fish sunk to the bottom (most frequent) or floating
(upside down often) at the surface... not spinning about. B>
Dirk
Re: swim bladder disease? 11/21/19
Hi Bob,
Ok I see now as he is with us now for 2 days we have a better understanding of
what he actually does. As you mentioned he is lying on the bottom of the tank
most of the time on his side not being able to bring himself up. Now for the
last 2 days we have been handling him with hands in order for him
to find food...when we hold him and put his mouth close to some dry food flakes
he does suck them up and eats them. hen we try to lift him up he starts moving
his fins like crazy but falls to the bottom right away though through the
movement of his fins he scoots over the glass bottom of the tank he is in right
now. After a minute or so he stops (most likely tired) and just lays still on
the bottom again. We have put that patch of Chaeto in his tank as he seem to be
looking this up and digs himself under it.
Dirk
<... these symptoms read more like gas bladder damage... Maybe some sort of
physical trauma (most common in collection, either from too-rapid ascent, or
improper "needling" to relieve pressure) or damage to the mechanism for filling
the bladder. Only time can/will show whether this fish self-heals. Feeding it
directly as you are doing will/can extend this time. Bob Fenner>
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Semilavartus with abdominal distention
8/23/19
Sorry to bug you but any recommendations for this semilavartus? Severely
distended abdomen gradually worsening over 6 weeks. Still feeding/ behaving
normally. Prognosis is grim from what I’ve read. Had the pair 18 mo.s and have
done amazing until now. DT is 800 gal. Thanks!
<Mmm; is this a tumor of some sort/etiology? An ovarian et al. cyst? Some kind
of gut blockage? I might try adding a modicum of Epsom Salt (yes, to the
main/display tank)... see Neale Monk's article on WWM re MgSO4... Possible a
vermifuge (like Praziquantel) (and Metronidazole?) added to the food (see WWM
re)... or more extreme tries possibly that would involve moving this fish (aye
yi yi re catching it here) to a treatment tank. Bob Fenner>
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Emperor Angel with swim bladder problem
6/13/19
Good Morning,
<Good morning Jimmy>
I have a 180g FOWLR , prob 150 – 200# LR , one Heniochus Butterfly adult 15
years old, Adult Emp Angel raised from youth now 6” adult 10 years old, 2 yellow
tail damsels, one clown, 2 brittle starfish ( 15 years old ) , 2 skunk cleaner
shrimp, 1 fire shrimp. The tank has been running for 20 years. For the last
2months there has been to water change, only minimal tank “maintenance .” Water
top off, cleaning skimmers ( 2 EuroReef ) and feeding . When I finally returned
from being away, I immediately noticed that the Emp Angel had a swim bladder
problem. ( Tilting to one side , unusual swimming pattern ) All livestock was
eating . Upon testing the water I noted that my nitrate levels were off the
scale ( over 160 ppm) as were phosphate levels. <Yikes!>
Specific Gravity was 1.028.<Too high> Zero ammonia, zero nitrite . I was
surprised that I had not lost any livestock! Through a series of daily water
changes over a couple of weeks ( with the first being a40% water change ) I have
managed to bring the nitrates down to 10-20ppm. SG 1.023. 2 weeks into the
process the Emp Angel looks 50% better but not back to norm.
<Next time please take your time to fix your writing.>
Do you think that this fish is likely to recover swim bladder function ? Any
suggestions ?
<This may be just “air gulping”... your angelfish could have been gasping at the
surface because of the too high salinity and/or high nitrates, If you have
restored water levels, just give a few days to see if it goes back to normal.>
Thanks Jimmy I apologize if this was sent twice
<You’re welcome. Wil.>
Re: Emperor Angel with swim bladder problem
6/13/19
Thank you so much .
<You're welcome>
My writing looks much different and better on my original message . Looks like
it got chopped up and re formatted . I am very sorry .
<Ohh, I see... no worries>
Thanks for your response Jimmy
<Glad to help. Wil.>
Mandarin dragonet possibly egg bound, and Epsom use f's
7/31/13
I have never asked a question on this forum before so I hope this is the
right place.
<Indeed it is>
I have a spawning pair of spotted mandarins and I am worried that the
female has become egg bound, is this possible?
<Yes>
The spawn regularly but recently the female has got huge and they do the
rise but no eggs are released this has been going on for 2 weeks. Do you
have any suggestions?
<Yes; either a bath (of several minute duration) of a teaspoon
per gallon of Epsom salts added to system water (outside the tank) or
these added directly to the system at the rate of a tsp. per 5 gallons
system water.
Bob Fenner>
Mandarin dragonet egg binding 7/31/13
Thank you. will Epsom salts affect coral and inverts??
<Not overtly negatively at the proscribed dosage. See WWM re MgSO4 use>
As they are tricky to catch and it is a big tank. Also what are the
symptoms of egg binding?
<As you state, a cessation in spawning/egg release, bulging...>
She hasn't gone off her food and is very greedy!
<Mmm, well; other causes appear similar... gut blockage (same
treatment), tumorous growths... BobF>
Mandarin dragonet egg binding 7/31/13
Sorry to bother you again. Your help is greatly appreciated you said the
dose is 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons in display tank is this us gallons or
uk gallons
<Level teaspoons and either measure of "a gallon" is close enough. B>
Mandarin dragonet egg binding 7/31/13
I read that they are pelagic spawners and hold eggs so the always appear
more rounded is that correct??
<Callionymids do rise toward the surface (toward sunset) and are
spawners... external fertilization... Females are decidedly larger, a
bit less colorful, their unpaired fins not as flowing... but do not
appear rounded at all times. I've seen the species used in the trade
many, many times there and the wild>
Is it just the norm Epsom salt u can buy or does it have to be
specifically for the marine tank??
<Epsom is Epsom... magnesium sulfate... Household use quality/purity is
fine. B>
Mandarin dragonet egg bound 8/1/13
So how many tea spoons for 120 gallon aquarium??
<... ? See prev. email...>
Mandarin 8/1/13
Also how long should I use it for?? Would you recommend 1 day??
<Search WWM... tool on every page... "Epsom salt dosage, treatment">
Epsom salt for egg bound mandarin 8/1/13
Hi, I spoke to you yesterday. I have dosed the tank with Epsom salt
accordingly, I was just enquiring as to how many days I should dose?
<... the salt doesn't leave solution till you change water>
