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MH light acclimation...
Cnid.s 10/16/07
Hello everyone, its been a while since I have sent an e-mail asking
for help/advice. Here goes:
I currently own an Oceanic BioCube 14g nano-tank. Its been up and running
successfully for about a year now. I have all of my corals in the tank under the
stock lighting that comes with the tank. The stock lighting consists of 2
compact fluorescent lamps. I am currently stocked to the brim with the
following: fist sized toadstool, finger leather, xenia spp., tons of Ricordea fl
and yuma, various other Shrooms, tons of zoos, button polyps, a small open
brain, a small colony of anchor coral, etc...
<I would not add more...>
I am in the process of setting up a new 50g tank. The dimensions are 36"L x 18"W
x 19"H
The lighting that I have bought for the tank is the SunPod 36" 2 x 150W MH HQI
fixture. going from stock BC14 lighting to the 300W of MH would obviously have
some affect on the coral. I plan on using 3 layers of eggcrate and removing one
layer a week.
<I'd substitute plastic sunscreen pieces for much of the eggcrate... At least
two of the layers here>
The SunPod fixture sits approximately 4" from the aquarium's surface on the
mounting legs that it came with. Will this plan be sufficient for acclimating
the corals or should I use a different method? Or perhaps a combined method?
Thank you and sorry for the long e-mail.
<Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Acclimatizing “Shipped”
Corals – 10/10/07
Hello Bob and Team,
<<Howdy Claire...Eric here...my apologies for the delay>>
I was wondering what your opinion was on acclimatizing corals that have been
shipped from a shop to a customer overnight? Do you still think that they should
be slowly acclimatized to their new home, as there seems to be some school of
thought that acclimatizing shipped corals should be done in a very different way
from which you would normally acclimatize corals that were only bagged a few
hours previously.
<<In my experience, bagged/shipping durations of about 12 hours have not proven
problematic...but I still prefer to pick up my shipments rather than await
delivery to shorten this as much as possible>>
I heard that because when corals are shipped they normally produce excess mucus
and almost always the water temperature drops to very low levels, the low
temperature of the water actually helps keep the ammonia in the bag less toxic.
<<Indeed, but probably more so due to the drop in pH...and reason enough for Bob
to recommend adding an “acid solution” to the water used for mixing/acclimating
new acquisitions to match the pH to that of the bag/transport water to keep from
rapidly raising pH and greatly increasing the toxicity of the ammonia. Have you
read his article on his Guerrilla acclimation methods? See here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimat.htm >>
This person told me that if I were to slowly increase the temperature of the
shipping water via drip acclimatization the ammonia would almost certainly kill
or injury the coral badly,
<<Mmm, this is not an “absolute,” I have successfully used this method on
overnight shipments many times...but there “are” better ways, as outlined in
Bob’s article>>
for this reason they suggested that I removed the coral from the shipping bag
straight away and placed the coral directly into my display tank.
<<I agree there may be times when a specimen has been held in a bag for a VERY
long time that would make this the lesser of the two evils...but most often this
type of action is just as bad due to the inherent temperature and pH shock the
already weakened animal will experience re. It is best to utilize a method that
is less drastic/traumatic that will provide some immediate relief yet allow the
animal to adjust/harden a bit before being dumped in to the display system.
Diluting the ammonia/metabolites with new saltwater that has been temperature
and pH matched “to the bag water” is a better option>>
Is this really an approved technique?
<<Depends on the degree of extremes involved...but for most overnight shipments,
some type of acclimation should still be used>>
I would appreciate your thoughts, as I always painstakingly acclimatize my
delivered corals, and I am alarmed that I might actually be doing them more harm
than good.
<<What do you think Claire? Have you noticed any damage as result of your
acclimation process? I would keep acclimating your new acquisitions (and
utilizing quarantine)...and perhaps adopt some of the suggestions from the
article, if you feel the need>>
Regards,
Claire
<<Cheers, EricR>>
New light acclimation, SW
8/18/07
Dear Crew,
<Hi Mark>
I'm getting a new lighting system for my 65 gallon tank. It's a TEK T-5 6x39
watt light to replace my dual 96 watt lights. The new lights will have a total
of 234 watts compared to the 192 watts compact fluoresces that I have now. I'm
planning on using Giesemann lights, 2 actinic Plus, 2 or 3 Aquablue Plus, and 1
or 2 Midday bulbs. I'm also going to hang this light instead of using the legs.
So my question is. What is the best way to acclimate this light to my tank?
Wattage wise I'm not that much Higher but from what I understand the T-5's are
much brighter. I have mostly soft corals and 1 LPS. I have a 5" DSB and my
rockwork goes no higher then 2/3rd' of the tank.
Thanks for all of your support
Mark
<The T5's have the ability to penetrate farther into the water and have a higher
PAR rating than the PC lamps. If your current photoperiod is 10-12 hrs per day
than reduce it to 8hrs with the new lights for the first week, then increase to
10hrs for second week, then increase to 12 hrs. You should only notice
improvements with the brighter lights as long as your water quality is good in
regards to low phosphates/nitrates>
<Hope this helps, Rich aka Mr. Firemouth>
Transition to much stronger lighting and exposing anthelia to air - 7/20/07
Hi Crew!!
<Howdy!>
This is my favorite site on the web for marine info and I've learned tons for
you all
<Ah, good>
First my set-up:
Standard size 90 G tank with Coral Sea 220 Skimmer, 4 G HOB 'fuge with live
rock/sand some cleaner clams and oodles of pods, Emperor 280 filter with ceramic
beads in one media basket and alternate Purigen and carbon filter cartridge
weekly in the other basket. We have 2 Seio 820's,1 Seio 620 powerheads. Not
counting the skimmer, the water is turned~30x an hour. There is about 90# coral
gravel and about the same amount of LR as well. It has been set up and running
since October of '06 here, but we purchased it used and it had been running for
a couple years at the previous owner's home. We tore down, moved, and restarted
same loooong day, lol.
<I'll say!>
Our fish consist of a Kole Tang, Coral Beauty Angel, soon to be (I think) mated
pair of Sebae clownfish, 4 Pajama Cardinals, Royal Gramma, and a six line
wrasse.
Our inverts are a serpent star, pair of cleaner shrimp, 15 or so of those tiny
zebra hermit crabs, 1 Mithrax crab, a variety of snails and a bunch of LR
hitchhiking fan worms
<Do keep your eye on the Mithraculus...>
Our corals are 2 silver dollar sized Fungia's, several small Ricordea, an
umbrella mushroom, 4 brown mystery polyps (hitched on LR) and about 35
Parazoanthus polyps, an anthelia, a yellow gorgonian that is actually growing
and a Pachyclavularia.
Our soon to be upgraded lighting is a worthless (IMHO) Perfecto hood with 3
32watt T-8's( 1 5000K, 2 6500K)
<Likely "intense" enough here for what you list... but barely>
The chemistry is great Ammonia, Nitrite are 0, Nitrate>5ppm, pH is 8.0, SG
1.025, CA is 400-420, Alk is 3.5 dKH, Phosphate is zero.
We also have a 29 G quarantine tank that all new fish spend one month in prior
to going into the display tank and a 10G pod breeder tank.
<Good!>
My first question is about the anthelia. Because of our pathetic lighting, its
about 6" from the top of the tank. It loves it there and is growing very well.
For a variety of reasons, I prefer to do a larger monthly water change rather
than smaller weekly ones but I'm concerned about the anthelia being exposed to
air. In Borneman's Corals book it says that the anthelia will occupy shallow
tidal areas but doesn't say if it will spend time at low tide out of the water.
Would it be hurt by exposure to air during a water change?
<Likely not a problem. I have seen this genus exposed during extreme tides in
the tropics>
My second question is about the pathetic lighting. We are about to invest in a 6
x54 T5 Tek hood with individual lamp reflectors. I plan to transition from old
to new over a six week period, starting with 2 bulbs and the fixture 7" above
the tank. At the end of the six weeks, I want all 6 bulbs in and the lamp about
2" off the water. Can you offer me a week by week suggestion of how to get from
point A to B with minimal trauma to the fish and me?
<You'll both be fine, it's the attached photosynthetic invert.s I'm concerned
about>
(ie 1st week 7" above the tank, 2 bulbs, on 6 hours. Week 2 6" above with four
bulbs, on 8 hours) The bulbs I'll be using are :(front to back)
1-ATI Blue Plus
1-Sfiligoi Super Actinic
1-ATI Blue Plus
1-GE 3000K Daylight
1-UV Lighting AquaSun
1-ATI Blue Plus
<Mmm... adding two more lamps the second week... and waiting two more weeks to
adding the last two (a couple of weeks after this) should do it... I would add the
blues sooner... but would likely replace at least one of those listed with
another "white">
The first and last are on one circuit for dawn/dusk. The middle 4 are the
daytime group.
<Okay...>
Thanks in advance for all your help
Sincerely
Ed Borus
<I don't foresee a problem here. You should read here however:
http://wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm
and the Related FAQs file linked above. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Acro Acclimation – 07/03/07
To the crew
I just got back from the frag swap at Drs. Foster and Smith this past weekend
and have a few questions concerning acclimating my new beauties.
Here are the specs for my tank.
75 gallon w/30 gallon sump - mag 12 running to four 1/2 inch returns
2 Koralia 3's on opposite sides for flow
Aqua C EV 180
Nitrates - >5ppm
Ph 8.4
temp 77-80
Calcium - 320
KH - 9
Mg - 1300
My concern is really with the light acclimation. I just picked up a nova extreme
8x54 t-5 setup, and picked up a bunch of SPS frags. I already have a couple
Monti digi's and caps and a small millie that are doing fine.
Previously I was using a 260w PC fixture but had good growth with all. Okay now
to the questions!
I bought a nice Staghorn and pink millie from the DFS retail store that were
maricultured. Do I need to light acclimate these corals seeing as they were
under halides before I got them?
<Not likely, no>
Also with the frags I bought, they have gotten quite pale compared to when they
were in the actual traders tanks (all used PC nano tanks). They have only been
in my tank for a day, after being in the dark for about two days (Long time)?
<Mmm, no... much more likely "light-stressed" by the move/show at the
get-together itself...>
Really I just would like to know is if the light acclimation is really geared
towards halides over t-5?
<Mmm, no... much more just intensity differences in most cases>
The new frags are all on the bottom of my tank right now but I'm worried that
they aren't getting enough light?
<Possibly... I would move the Acropora spp. "up" to about half depth>
One might already be bleaching out a little bit or is just really pale (Acro
yongei), is it better to move it up more or shade it if it is losing color?
<In this circumstance, up>
All but one's polyps are peeking out.
<A good sign>
Also I heard to keep them in more gentle current when acclimating and not the
vigorous flow they all like. True?
<Yes>
I'm a paranoid nervous wreck! Please help me and thank you for your time!
Sincerely Mike
<Patience... these 'things' take time. Bob Fenner>
HQI vs. VHO vs. T5 1/8/07
Hi, my name is Larry.
<<Hello Larry...Eric here>>
I have a 90g (48Lx 24dx18w), I upgraded my lighting system to 2x 250watt HQI and
2x95watt VHO. The things in my tank do not like it at all....I understand that
it has to go through an acclimation process and I did not do it correctly.
<<Mmm, yes...especially if your lighting was nowhere this intense before, photo
shock is a real danger to your photosynthetic organisms>>
The only things I have as far as sps is Alveopora and Goniopora.
<<Interesting statement...both are from the Family Poritidae as is Porites,
though I think most hobbyists don't think of Alveopora or Goniopora as "SPS"
corals...and the latter is definitely not a good candidate for captive keeping>>
I have some leathers and mushrooms and Zoas. My problem is the lights killed my
Sailfin tang as he was fine before I did the upgrade,
<<Hmm, could have been stress induced I suppose...though I have never heard of
lighting killing fish>>
My blue regal has a cloudy eye and my xenias melted and died.
<<Likely all these are "indirect" results of the lighting upgrade...perhaps some
biological/chemical reaction to the large and sudden increase in intensity>>
I have been doing research for some time about what kind of lights to get and I
wanted to be able to keep just about anything so my original thought was to go
with 2x150watt HQI and 2x 110 actinic VHO or just 4 VHO's
<<Either of these options could be utilized. But if "just about anything" means
the ubiquitous "garden style reef" there really is no "ideal" lighting solution
as this unnatural mix groups organisms from differing niches/environments of the
reef in to a very small space. Some allowances can be made by proper placement
of/creating shade or shelter for those animals with lower lighting
requirements. But be aware, lighting is only one consideration, and blasting
the tank with intense light does not mean you will “be able to keep just about
anything,” you also have aggression/toxicity/allelopathy issues to address among
others (water flow, feeding, etc.)>>
Problem number 2 the canopy is only about 6-8 inches tall...so my question is,
is the 250's to much light too close to the water and should I trade those back
in to get the 2 150's or should I go with the 4 VHO's or an 8 bulb T5 fixture?
<<The 250w bulbs are more than you need in my opinion...but that’s not to say
they won’t work as long as they don’t cause overheating issues (there are also
steps you can take to mitigate these). But to save you a few bucks on
electricity/bulb replacement, you could consider the 150w fixtures. My personal
preference is MH lighting, but with the right combination of wattage and Kelvin
temperature the T5 fixture is a fine option>>
I would still like to keep just about anything from sps to clams.
<<Mmm...or maybe consider limiting your display to just these...>>
I read tons of posts about this earlier this morning when I found my tang laid
over on his side, but it just left me more confused...any help is greatly
appreciated
<<Keep reading...the understanding will come>>
Frustrated Reefer
Larry
<<Regards, Eric Russell>>
Photo-Shock? - 10/29/06
Good Morning... or afternoon, or evening, whatever it may be.
<<Hello...morning now>>
I am in a real mental pinch here with my halides and looking for a shoulder to
lean on (hopefully not cry on).
<<Let's see if I can be of assistance...>>
I think I goofed big time, but then again, it's reef keeping so before I jump
into trying to fix things, I thought I would ask someone with a little more
experience first.
<<Ah yes...go slow and research/analyze your options whenever possible>>
Here is the skinny. I just undertook a two-month project to build my dream
system.
<<Only two months? <grin> >>
Got the okay from the wife and took the plunge.
<<An "always important" component>>
I had a 105G tall (32"-deep X 48"-long) for three years with a 30G sump/fuge
combo. I keep Acros mostly,
<<…me too>>
and have around 18 different species as well as a few other SPS, a rose bubble,
and a Crocea.
<<Ack! You were doing so well up until the anemone...>>
In my 32" tank I had 2X400W halides about 10" off the water and life was good.
<<A lot of light>>
Currently I have framed a 125G (6 foot long X 22" deep) display into a wall and
made a 12X6 foot support room behind it.
<<Cool! Love "in-wall" displays (is what I have)>>
The display has a 100g sump, 75g refugium, 30g prop tank, and I even got to tie
in my 30g anemonarium which was really great.
<<Lots of water volume...excellent>>
I drip Kalk 24/7, dose 2ml of iodide daily, and maintain a daily avg of: 425 CA,
9 DKH, 1.026 SG, 8.28 - 8.36 pH, 79.3 - 79.6 degrees, 0 nitrates, 0 PO4.
<<Very good>>
I use RO/DI that I aerate/buffer as needed and change 20G of water every
Sunday. I am very happy with my parameters, however I am not so happy with my
corals.
<<...!>>
Since I had the 2X400W halides from my deep tank, I just picked up another
reflector/ballast/bulb and am now using 3X400W halides over my 125G display,
which is only 22" deep.
<<Mmm...>>
I had the halides at 10ish-inches from the water surface that I now realize, or
think at least was way too close and have moved them to 16.
<<Indeed…the corals could have been/can be "acclimated" to the light intensity,
but this would need to be a "gradual" process. The organisms we keep are quite
adaptable...but they don't usually handle "rapid" changes well>>
I have noticed that my Pocillopora and a couple of Acros that made the
transition have started to lose their rich color for a more "watery"
color. Some red/pinks are fading to white, blues have gone pale, my rose bubble
just sticks a couple of tentacles out of a crack in a rock, etc. Nothing is
bleached; they are just not how they should be.
<<Does sound like photo-shock>>
At first I thought the color change was because I switched from XM 20Ks to
Radiums when I setup the new system, however I noticed that my best colored
coral is a purple-rim/green M. capricornis that sits almost directly under the
center brace. Also the more I have been reading on WWM the more I think that
the power/distance is the real culprit.
<<...?>>
To cut to the chase here, am I "making lava" as Anthony calls it, keeping the
400s?
<<400-watt halides are definitely more light than you need on a 22"-tank, but by
raising the fixtures/acclimating the organisms it can be utilized>>
Should I downgrade to 250, or do you think that the 400 at a higher set point
will be all right?
<<Downsizing the lighting will be cheaper to run/less excess-heat hassles...but
the 400-watt lighting can be used as stated>>
Perhaps I have missed the boat entirely and you think that something else might
be going on?
<<This too is a possibility, or at least a contributor...reactions to changes in
water chemistry, feeding, additives, or just being moved/repositioned in the new
system. But I think the lighting (due to lack of proper acclimation re) is
likely the main cause for the changes in color/behavior you describe>>
I am all ears and can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate your time
to read this long-winded email and already feel better knowing that one of you
at WWM is going to chime in on this issue.
<<No worries mate...is what we do. Have a peek here re acclimating your corals
to the new lighting:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm>>
Again, all my gratitude, have a good morning/day/night =)
Jeff
<<Happy to share. EricR>>
Lighting Question 10/14/06
I just upgraded from 2x65 watt compact to a 150 watt MH. How long should I
leave the lights on day while everything acclimates?
<I would start at 4 hours and work your way up>
I have mushrooms, Ricordeas and leathers. I can't hang the light above the tank
so it sits on top of the canopy with an opening at 8 inches above the water.
Thank you
Debra
<Monitor your corals health and slowly increase the photoperiod every week until
you reach your target. Cheers! – Dr. J>
Candy Cane Coral...Turn Off Your Brights - 05/19/2006
Hello WWMC !!
<Hello Esteban>
Always a pleasure to have someone to send an e-mail too that will guarantee a
great response!
<Thank you.>
I have had a nice colony of about 15 1 inch pink Caulastrea (trumpet coral)
<Caulastrea curvata> about halfway vertical up my 125 gallon and half way
horizontal in the tank. I was using two 175 watt MH's on for 10 hours and two 6
foot blue HQI actinic bulbs on for 12 hours (1 hour on before the MH turn on and
1 hour after the MH shut off) for about 3 months. The colony would come out
beautifully - which after my reading I am guessing was because it was reaching
out for more light. Well, I switched the MH's to two 250 MH's running for 10
hours, and the same 6 foot bulbs running for 12 hours. That was last
month. About two weeks ago, I noticed that the heads of the coral were not as
expanded as before. They will come totally out for an hour or so in the middle
of the 10 hours, then close back up. Their tentacles still come out when I am
feeding the tank. I'm worried that something might be wrong? The water levels
are still consistent with No ammonia, Nitrite, PH 8.5, nitrates around 40, calc
440, 1.025 SG. I have not changed my usual dosing of iodide, C-balance, Reef
Calc, Reef Plus, Reef Complete or Magnesium. Should I consider moving the coral
lower in the tank? Is it getting too much light?
<I think they are going through a light adjusting period with the more intense
lighting. These corals only require moderate light and they generally do not
open their feeding tentacles until the lights go out. My Candy Cane <furcata>
has never opened during the daylight photoperiod. You may want to try putting
them in the lower level of the tank to encourage opening.>
Thanks mucho!
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Too much light? 4/14/06
<Hello Kenny - Tim answering your question today!> Forgive me if some one has
already answered this, but I am in a panicked state. I have a 45 gallon reef that
has been set up for about a year. Just this week I upgraded my lighting from a
65watt 10K and a 65 watt actinic to a 65 watt 10k a 65 watt actinic and a 250 watt
MH. In doing this
I turned off my timers and have only been running the MH for a few hours a day
in order to acclimate the corals. Never the less when I arrived
home from work today my corals looked dreadful. all corals were closed or
shrank. Temp was fine...salinity trates trites and ammonia all in
check. The only thing I could think of was the addition of the new light. I have
only had them for three days and for the first two
everything was great. My question I guess is do you think the lights are the
issue. <Very likely, yes! In fact, almost certainly. This has to do with the
zooxanthellae on the corals that have to adjust to the drastic change in
lighting. Good job on gradually increasing the lighting time - though depending
on the placement of your corals, you may have to make some adjustments, moving
some lower down in the aquarium as necessary. Give them a week to see
improvement - though during that time, keep a close eye on them as things should
only get better, not worse. If the corals condition appears to deteriorate
further, consider other problems that may be at fault!> And if so do my corals
stand a chance at recovery? <Definitely - just give them a chance to adjust to
the new lighting - in time, you will see them thriving much better than they did
under the old lighting!> Corals
include: Candies, leathers, frogspawn, hammer, polyps, mushrooms, brain,
stars polyps, xenias and one rough looking Galaxea.
Re: too much light? Cnid. acclim. - 04/14/2006
Thank you for your quick response. Since I last emailed I have lost
two fish a clam and dozens of corals look like they may be too far gone.
The
corals that are doing the worst are the ones at the bottom of the tank.
My ammonia was fine yesterday but has rising enough to warrant a water
change overnight. I attributed this to the loss of the fish. Would
adding the new lights change anything in the water quality. Any other
ideas you may have. I am now just trying to avoid a $4000 loss. <Hi
Kenny - I am very sorry to hear of your losses! I would say that this is
not related to the change of lights - one might expect a change in
lighting to affect corals and clams, but should not affect fish - except
in so far as the stressed corals may have released chemicals and thereby
polluted the water. In any case, it sounds to me as though your problems
are the result of toxins in the water. What you will need to do is an
immediate and substantial water change as well as use activated carbon
or some type of Polyfilter to remove any chemicals that may be in the
water. Try to identify and eliminate any possible sources of toxins -
presumably something that has changed recently. You will also need to
keep a close eye on your fish and other livestock and be prepared to
move fish to your QT as and when symptoms or other abnormal behaviour
becomes apparent. Best of Luck - I do hope that you will be able to
identify the source of your problems. Please keep us informed as to your
findings!>
Panicky Coral Care/Poor Acclimation Causing Problems - 03/27/2006
Hello and thank you for taking a moment to answer my question.
<Gladly.>
I have had my 46gal bowfront saltwater tank running for about 4 years now. I
recently added a 2x96w PC fixture to increase my light. I already had (a
1x96wPC, total 3x96W PCs, more than 6WPG).
<Just tossed 'em up there and turned 'em on huh?>
I have a protein skimmer that's definitely doing its job, the stuff lately has
been DARK green (ugh!). Two power heads provide the flow, with one being a
PowerSweep (goes back and forth on its own). It has had pretty much the same
livestock for the last couple of years, which are a Gold Stripe Maroon Clown,
Blue Velvet Damsel, Royal Gramma, and a couple of Green Striped Mushrooms. I
added, a week ago today, a Colt coral, Pagoda coral, Toadstool Mushroom Leather
Coral, Bulb Tip Anemone,
<Not good to mix with your corals.>
and a Blue Linckia Star. Well the Star has already died, and I acclimated it
using the drip method and was very careful to not let it touch the air. The
Anemone is doing WONDERFUL! It's found its spot, not moved since. I have fed it
3 times since I got it, and the Clown took to it in like 3 minutes...instantly!
The corals are what I'm worried about.
<Ok.>
The Toadstool hasn't opened at all, the Colt and Pagoda are doing alright, but I
was told they are in shock because of all the light?
<Too much all at once. No acclimation to new light/environment?>
I didn't think there was such a thing as too much light, so I've been running my
single strip PC for about 2-3 hours a day.
<This is making your situation worse. These animals need time to adjust. This
needs to be addressed.>
However I tried moving them to the bottom of the tank with the single strip
totally off, and the Colt did a LOT better, but that's not where I want it at
all, so they're all back to their original spots.
<Ok...this is a very bad yet common mistake. Corals are very sensitive to
environmental changes. You've only had these a week and already asked them to be
fine with constant fluctuations in lighting/flow. I can assure you they are
not.>
The Toadstool still didn't open up even when at the bottom of the tank with the
others.
<Perhaps more insulted than the rest.>
So, while they aren't melting, or COMPLETELY shriveled up, they aren't looking
like they should either.
<You're currently heading toward COMPLETELY shriveled up.>
What should I do?
<Read:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/growingcorals.htm and other related links from
this page
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/index.htm . Stop moving them and
regulate your light cycle.>
Oh and my water tests all come out fine except the nitrates were about 10ppm. I
tried a water change for that without much avail. Any advise would be greatly
appreciated!
<You have my thoughts. - Josh>
Lighting Upgrade...Acclimation - 03/20/06
Gentleman,
<<Ladies here too...>>
A few questions for you. I have an 80 gallon mixed reef tank with the following
inhabitants:
1 very large Hammer (12" high, 14" long, 6/8" deep)
1 medium Frogspawn
Star Polyps
1 large Toadstool (8" in diameter)
1 small colony of Zoanthids
1 large Finger Leather
1 medium Green Tree Leather
1 small colony of unknown Xenia
1 small Clam
1 small Galaxy
1 small Blastomussa
1 small Kenyan Tree
1 Large colony of roughly 25 Mushrooms
1 6" diameter Merulina
1 medium Maze
1 small unidentified brain
1 small encrusting Montipora
a dozen mixed fish
<<A "mixed garden reef" indeed.>>
Currently I have a 440 watt VHO lightning setup and just purchased Metal Halides
to upgrade the lighting.
<<Hmm...don't really see anything on your list requiring metal halide lighting
with the possibility of the clam. Depending on specie, the clam could likely
just be placed higher in the water column.>>
I was convinced by the LFS to go with a 2x250 setup. I just built a canopy that
extends 20 inches off the water column and want to know if I am going to have
any bleaching or any other possible issues with the tank inhabitants.
<<Always a possibility. One of the better methods for acclimating tanks to
higher light levels is to cut pieces of fiberglass window screen to fit over the
tank. You can rest these on a piece of plastic "egg-crate" also cut to lay on
over the top of the tank. By placing tree or four sheets of screen over the
tank and removing a piece every three or four days you can slowly acclimate your
tank denizens without fear of "scorching" them.>>
In addition, I have looked at the screening FAQ sheet on acclimation and am
concerned with the types of corals and what the best way to acclimate to the
2x250 Halides.
<<Ah yes...as just explained.>>
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
Greg
<<Regards, EricR>>
Lighting Upgrade...Acclimation II - 03/21/06
Eric,
<<Greg>>
Thanks for the advice.
<<Welcome>>
I really wanted to go with SPS corals thus the change in lighting but the boss
says she doesn't want the change.
<<I see>>
With the 2x250 halides (20000K), am I going to hurt the inhabitants in the tank,
if so what would you recommend trading out?
<<All will likely be fine once acclimated to the lighting. Those corals that
need/want less light (typically the "red" color variants of LPS, Corallimorphs,
etc.) can be placed in the bottom reaches/ends of the tank.>>
I am concerned with the tank being a 90 gallon setup, I can't really shade any
of the inhabitants. Long term, if I stay status quo, is there going to be any
negative affects to the tank inhabitants?
<<Mmm, no worries...experiment with the height of the lights over the tank. The
halides can be used just fine...maybe keep them a bit higher off the water than
the typical SPS reef keeper would...observe your tank inhabitants, and lower
them as (if) deemed necessary.>>
Thanks again.
Great Site!
Greg
<<Regards, EricR>>
Acclimating Corals To New Lighting 2/2/06
Hello,
<Hi there! Scot F. with you today!>
Will reduced photoperiods be enough to acclimate my 55g tank from 192w PC to
150x2HQI? I have green Nephthea near the top, which I'm worried about bleaching,
so I want to do it very carefully. Moving my canopy up and down will be
difficult however, so I'm wondering if adjusting the photoperiod will be enough
for a very careful photo acclimation process. Thanks again for your help.
<Good question. I generally favor acclimating corals to new lighting regimens by
either moving the coral down a bit, and gradually bringing it up towards the
light (good, but a new set of problems arises when you move an established,
happy coral to a new locale!), or (better) to use some form of screen to reduce
the light intensity as the corals adjust. You start out with, say 6-8 layers of
window screen, gradually removing layers until eventually there is no screen. A
slower, but much more "coral friendly" process, IMO! Hope this helps! Regards,
Scott F.>
Lighting Upgrade 1/31/06
Saludos! I'm currently running a 55gal
<Stock... 22 inches deep>
tank with a 10gal refugium that is established for a little more than 11/2
years. In there I have a
small frogspawn, xenias, a green Goniopora, lots of yellow polyps , some red
mushrooms and a leather the fish store sold me it as a speckled
leather coral) coral, also a crocea clam
<The rate-limiting animal here>
and some Halimeda . What I have been using for lighting so far are 2 fixtures of
power compact
lights. Each one with 2 x 65w 50/50 bulbs in a schedule of midday to 6pm the
first fixture and the second coming in at 2pm 'till 8:30pm. That
basically shows an overlapping of 4 hours of full 260w of light over my tank.
Do that looks ok?
<Not likely for the tridacnid, no>
I have not changed this schedule since I began introducing corals around a year
ago. The mushrooms, the yellow polyps,
the xenias have spread a lot over the rockwork, even the leather looks bigger
and nicer than when I bought it. The crocea has also show some
new growth reflected in the shell borders that I understand is a good sign as
well as the Halimeda who grows basically a full new leave in one or two days.
<Keep this green algae trimmed back>
The thing that I want to ask is if you think an upgrade to a fixture of 2X250w
10k HQI lightning will be a good move.
<Oh yes>
If so how should I do the upgrade. I have read that an acclimation to the new
lightning is required but I'm not sure of exactly how to do this one.
<Mmm, ideally, placing the MH high above the present lighting... moving down,
turning the PCs off more and more... practically, shielding the MH's, slowly
turning them on more and more minutes per day... Bob Fenner>
Lighting acclimation with existing / pendants
Hi Crew,
<Steven>
Hope all guys/gals are well fed and feeling good after the long Holiday weekend.
<I do as well>
I have a question and proposed method regarding upgrading and acclimating a
new lighting scheme. I did look at (about 2 hours worth) of your FAQ's and
articles (Anthony's included) regarding this, however I have a slightly
different set up (I know everyone must say that).
<Many folks do>
Basics: 250 FOWLR and a several soft corals (mushrooms and leathers)
Fish consist of 5" Chrysurus angel, Bicolor angel, 3" Chevron, 7" Naso
Lipstick tang, 4" Orange shoulder tang, 24" Zebra moray eel. I have 250
lbs. of Tonga live rock, a very fine live DSB, wet/dry with attached
refugium with Chaeto, skimmer pulling off good daily skimmate, pH 8.3, dKH
12, salinity 1.024, temperature 79 - 80 F, calcium 440, ammonia/nitrite 0,
nitrate 2.5, and 20X flow rate (turbulent).
Current lighting is Power Compacts 2 x 96 watts 10K daylight and 2 x 96 blue
actinic. Very low lighting for this set up,
<Yes... I would switch out the actinics for more whites at least>
nowhere close to the minimum suggestions 2 watts per gallon as suggested here,
especially for a 29" deep
tank as mine. I have ordered and will receive two Coralife hanging pendants
150 watt each double ended HQI metal halides with 15,000K bulbs. These
lights retract up and down via a ratchet kind of cord. The display tank is
a "flush mount" in the wall with the living room having the flush mount
section and the master bedroom having the rest of the tank exposed (I hope this
makes sense).
<Yes>
I plan on keeping the 72" power compacts and moving them forward and placing the
two metal halide pendants over the centerline of the
tank, lighting the middle two thirds of the tank. Since I am limited on space
being a built in unit and keeping the power compacts, it will be
difficult to utilize the screen method that Anthony has written about. I
thought about instead having the pendants retracted about 15 or maybe even
20 inches from the tank and lowering them maybe every two days until I reach the
final desired height.
<Yes... this should work out fine... along with initially limiting the amount of
"light period"... to a few hours per day...>
I would plan on doing this for the entire photoperiod, as I have read in
Anthony writings that he does not recommend
running a few hours and increasing over time, rather to run the entire
photoperiod but instead increase the intensity over time.
<I am of a different opinion>
Do you think this will work, or may I still need to devise some other method of
shielding?
<I do think (confidently) that your plan will work>
I guess if needed I could suspend some type of device to hold the layers of
screening, but it will take some design work to accomplish.
In addition, to you think the 15,000 HQI bulbs will be a good middle ground
between the very blue 20,000 and the very white 10,000 bulbs. I would like
a nice color spectrum, and don't want to blind my eel, so I opted for the 15,000
bulb.
<I think you will be greatly pleased here. If the water were shallower I would
encourage 10k lamps>
Thank you for your comments.
Regards,
Steven
<Thank you for writing, sharing. Bob Fenner>
Lighting Acclimation - 12/17/05
Hey Guys and Gals!
<<Howdy!>>
Let me start by saying that WWM is the best source of info on the web! For the
past 2 years I have maintained a thriving reef tank. If it were not for your
help/insight I would have made many mistakes.
<<Ah, very good...happy you have found us useful.>>
Due to the enormous amount of awesome info on your site, I was unable to find an
answer to my question.
<<ok>>
My tank is a 36" long 55 gallon acrylic with built in wet/dry, that has been
converted to a refugium with DSB.
<<neat>>
Livestock is mostly mushrooms, Zoanthids, xenia, and a beautiful green hammer
coral. My question is this: I am currently running 130 watts of power compact
lighting. Bulbs are one 10,000k daylight and one 50/50. In the very near
future I will be receiving a 36" 4X96 watt Power compact fixture with 2 dual
daylight bulbs and 2 actinic. Since I am increasing the wattage significantly,
what would be your recommendation for acclimating the corals? Would it be
better to run all the bulbs for a shorter duration and slowly bring the duration
up to 12 hours or should I run 2 of the bulbs for 12 hours a day and turn on the
other 2 for brief periods until all are on for the 12 hour duration? Once
again, thank you for being there for all our fellow aquarists!
Thank you,
Dave
<<Well Dave, you can try the bulb sequencing if you like (two bulbs on <daylight
first>, then three, then all four), by my choice would be to get some fiberglass
window screen and cut about four sheets (should be adequate for this lighting I
think) to fit over the tank (supported by plastic eggcrate if necessary). Place
all four sheets over the tank with ALL the bulbs on and remove a sheet of screen
about every three days till all are gone and your done! EricR>>
Light Acclimation - 12/11/2005
Several months ago my 6' 130 gallon mixed reef broke. We moved everything to
a 5' acrylic 125gallon tank. I've used my old 6' Coralife lights (4x 96). I just
ordered the Outer Orbit 5' fixture (2x 150mh and 2 130 actinic). Can I mount
this fixture over the acrylic tank on its legs (about 3")? Are there any
modifications to raise the legs or create my own to avoid suspending it from the
ceiling?
<Not that I know of, not much of a DIY person, of course there are other very
talented folks out there. I would search through some aquarium chatforums like
www.wetwebfotos.com/talk and www.reefcentral.com. Both have dedicated DIY
forums.>
If I move the zoos and mushrooms to the bottom of the tank (24") to acclimate,
how many hours each day should I keep the metal halides on?
<Depends on what you are keeping, I keep mine on about 8 hours a day, but if you
are just keeping Zoas (not zoo's) and mushrooms you could probably get away with
a shorter MH photoperiod, especially if you are running any sort of fluorescent
lights to supplement.>
What kind of schedule should I daily or weekly increase towards?
<I prefer using the "window" screen method to acclimate corals to higher light
situations. You lay several layers (I used 5) of window screen over the tank to
block out some of the light. Each week remove one screen until there are none
left. You start out using the full photoperiod which you plan to implement. Your
way of increasing the photoperiod can work but it subjects the coral to VERY
bright, short days...which is quite unnatural. If you plant to do this start off
with 2 or 3 hours a day and add one hour onto it each week until you get to the
desired photoperiod. But again, personally I don't like this method.>
Any further links to prepare for the light change?
<I would just read up on the reef tank lighting FAQ's here at WWM. Also be
prepared to deal with the extra heat from your new lighting system.>
Thanks so much for your help and terrific site!
Jerry
<Welcome, Adam J.>
Re: Light Acclimation - 12/11/2005
Thanks Adam for you quick and helpful response.
<That's my job...hobby...hmm both.>
My Outer Orbit light arrived
yesterday. I'll try the window screen method. Thanks again and Merry
Christmas
<To you too.>
, Jerry
<Adam J.>
Lighting change - 29/11/05
Hey again,
<Hello, John here today>
Do you think my corals will grow faster if I switch the 400 watt 20,000K bulb to
a 400watt 10,000K??
<While it is dependent on the brand, 10,000K bulbs usually produce much more
PAR, which results in increased photosynthesis -- and coral growth. The
difference may, in fact, be great enough to warrant careful acclimation of your
corals to the new lighting.>
I have the light on a 50 gallon tank. All SPS... Also, should I use an airstone
in the sump to add more Oxygen, or
does my AquaC 120 skimmer provide enough?
<An airstone has a very limited effect on oxygenation. The skimmer will have a
far greater effect. I wouldn't bother with the airstone at all.>
What kind of food should I feed my SPS? I heard about DT's, and BioFreeze? Also
Kent ChromaMax? Any thoughts?
<Take a look at the SPS and coral feeding FAQs on WWM - a wealth of information.
Zooplankton is more appropriate than phytoplankton for SPS corals.>
Thanks again for your advice over the weekend. Jenn
<Already Tuesday here... Best regards, John> Lighting and feeding SPS - 11/29/05
How best then should I acclimate the corals to the 10,000K from the 20,000K??
<You could place a couple layers of plastic screen material over the tank, removing one layer every couple of days. Alternatively, if it is a pendant, you could start with the light higher above the tank, and lower it.>
I can't believe Zoo is better than Phyto for SPS feeding!! Which type of Zoo food do you suggest??
<Phyto will have some benefit - it feeds the zooplankton, some of which is of a more favourable size for small polyped corals. Given my location, it's
difficult for me to recommend specific brand names, but for more information, I recommend starting here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fdreefinverts.htm
>
Thanks John!
<My pleasure. Best regards from Shanghai, John> Light shock from bulb replacement? 9/1/05
Hello Crew,
<Tom>
I have a 75 gallon tank with one toadstool leather coral and two clownfish.
Last month, I replaced four 65-watt power compact bulbs and charcoal on the
following schedule:
7/2/05 13 month old 50/50 bulb replaced
7/4/05 10.7 month old 50/50 bulb replaced
7/6/05 new charcoal in
<This is an important bit of data... as you likely know>
7/15/05 13.25 month old 10K bulb replaced
7/21/05 12.7 month old 10K bulb replaced
I went on vacation 7/24-8/4. While on vacation, my daily fish caretaker called
to say the power was out (GFCI had tripped). Power was restored, but it could
have been out for as much as 24 hours. There was no canister filter or wet-dry
filter to go bad with a power loss. And the fish had no problem. I'm not sure
about the leather coral.
On returning from vacation, the coralline algae appeared mostly gone, except
less so in areas sheltered from the light. And it seemed like the macroalgae
was largely gone too. The rocks looked mostly light brown.
My son says this type of bulb loses about 50% of its output every 6 months. If
that's true, I would have more than quadrupled the light over about a 3 week
period.
<Yes>
My questions: Do you think light shock accounts for what happened to my tank?
<Mmm, could... directly and not>
If so, do I have to replace these bulbs more frequently, or on a more
stretched-out schedule, or somehow stagger when they need to be replaced (e.g.
replace one every 3 months)?
<Better to stagger as you mention>
Or was the power outage a major contributor to what happened?
<It could have been as much... from the stress of irregular environment on the
Leather/Alcyoniid... that might have released sufficient chemicals into your
water to kill off the algae... not from a days lack of light. Bob Fenner>
Thanks,
Tom
- Metal Halide Lighting Acclimation -
I have recently set up a metal halide light. its a 17 Watt 10K Reeflux bulb.
When I turned the light on for the first time the fish in the tank seemed to
become paralyzed looking at the top of the tank. <Well... you just turned on the
sun.> My clown fish actually stopped swimming sat on the bottom of the tank just
looking up. Is this normal for the fish at first? <Yes... have seen this
before. Is much like the oft-repeated interrogation technique in movies -
shining a bright lamp in your face; is disorienting.> I know you have gradually
introduce the light a little bit every day slowly increasing the time the light
is on.
<Yes, would be best this way. Cheers, J -- > Lighting a 85 gal, Go Halide?
Adam,
< Hi Frank >
I just purchased a used 85 gallon Tenecor Flat Back Hex w/simplicity plus filtration, (the filtration--bioballs/sump, built into the back 4" of the tank), it also has 2 pumps to
recycle the water, (nothing in the stand). My question to you is would you remove the bioballs and drill the tank to add a sump in the stand or leave the filtration as is?
< I would drill the tank and have a sump. I've never seen anyone regret doing this. All I see are people wishing they had ;) >
I could use a hang on skimmer or skimmer in the new sump. Also this tank came with a 4 inch canopy, which I'd like to use. What would you suggest as far as lighting in this cramped area?
< Tough call. I think the HQI halides are still a great option. Although I don't have much experience with the T-5's I think that is a great option as well, and is a growing trend. >
I'd eventually like to add hard and soft corals. I can't use MH because it's too close to the tank and I'm afraid of melting the canopy or acrylic. The tank came with 2 X 95 watts
VHOs.
< I would definitely replace those lights. If you really don't want halide then go with T-5. >
Your opinion is valued,
< Thanks Frank, hope it works out well. >
Frank
< Blundell >
Light Questions, mainly acclimation of photosynthates
Thanks for all your help in the past, it's been invaluable. About a year ago
I got a really nice 42 gallon hex tank that I've always wanted to run a reef on.
Problem was, I was concerned that the depth was just too much for PC's to really
illuminate, I experimented with 2x65's and it seemed dim at the bottom, so my
soft corals stayed in the 20 with the 130 watt fixture, all is well. I setup the
42 with a drilled hollow cave structure made of base rock and added a small
layer of grey coast calcite, then a small layer of white aragonite sand. I
wanted the drilled base rock to suspend the live rock in the tank, again, the
depth concerned me. Didn't hook up a skimmer, no light just a REALLY big pump
and a Jager heater. I crushed some live rock and threw it in there. I changed
some water every couple months and added evap, and there it sat, for a year- I
simply could not find a fixture that would fit on it- Well, Coralife to the
rescue- my lovely wife gets me this 280 watt HQI fixture
for Christmas- 150w 7000 HQI, 2 65 actinics, 2 moonlights. It barely fits, but
fit it does. So I start my heavy water changes on both the tanks- source and
destination- the move went very well. I've been limited to soft corals, xenia,
buttons, mushrooms one LPS anchor (hammer?) coral that fused to a large piece of
rock. I've had really good coralline algae growth in the 20, the rocks are
completely purple, corals all split or fell off and grew someplace else- life
was good basically. So when I do the move I mix up about 100 gallons of salt mix
(again Coralife- maybe I should just get paid in 'Coralife Bucks' huh? I've
found the consistency to be superior, 3 level cups make five gallons. So I do
the mix and start a few heavy water changes on both tanks, then start swapping
water between the two. I did this for two days until I had a consistent mix in
both tanks- numbers, yes, ph is a constant 8.2 out of the tap, my water is so
hard it laughs at the salt when I add it- precip is a
problem, but I pour off the top and leave the precip in the bottom,
<This may be a problem... the precipitate/supernatant may not be a consistent
part of your mix that you want to toss...>
the calcium level of EVERY aquarium I have is somewhere around 450 ppm and it
never changes, don't know why, and I don't care. Ok, gravity is 1.024 temp stays
about 76 or 77. On water flow- I was using 2 170 gph pumps, a SeaClone skimmer-
the only skimmer I could find that fit and worked (with some mod.s- I have a
thing about sponge blocks in the aquarium, I think they're bad news, just an
opinion. Ok, well, numbers are fine, I'm not having health issues, what I am
having is concerns about light. I run a sun up, sun down simulation using
timers, it's the rage I hear. So with the 20 I just switched the lights on, one
was white one was blue, and 2 moons- but now, with the HQI, the moons come on at
6, I have a pink 10 watt light that comes on at 7, at 730 that goes off and the
2 65 actinics come on, at 830 the HQI comes on, at 3:30 pm I shut down the HQI
for an hour, I noticed that a lot of the corals started to close
up at around this time- this is the premise of this ungodly wordy email, and I
am sorry, so I started I guess a cloudy period from 330pm to 430 pm every day.
At 430 the HQI comes back on for 2 hours then shuts down for the night, the
actinics follow suit at 730 when the pink comes back on for 15 min.s leaving the
moons on till about 10. Now, is it a bad thing that the corals close at about
this time?
<Mmm, no, not necessarily... all is likely adjusting to new circumstances...
mainly light and overall water quality... likely circulation as well>
Are they done for the day?
<For now, a while, looks like it. These animals will adjust to the previous
behavioral cycles with time>
The tank is really bright, but I don't want to starve my little guys or gals). I
did notice that when the HQI goes off at 330 they start to open back up- am I
hurting them by hitting them with the HQI 2 hours later?
<Not likely... but these sedentary colonies need time to switch to the new
lighting en toto. Have you read this:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm>
They've only been in there for about a month now, not used to it?
<Not yet>
No losses, except for narsy snails- hermits can pick them up. Anyway- should I
just leave the HQI off at this time or turn it back on?
<I'd turn it back on a half hour more per week...>
Is that enough light? Should I change one of the actinics to a 50/50 or
daylight?
<Maybe in the long/er term... I would only switch one variable, light at a time>
Should I decrease the HQI until I get polyp expansion in the
evening? How does variance in light levels affect corals?
<How much time do you have...? There are literally thousands of papers written
on this topic>
I was in Freeport once and the sun was pretty bright an hour after sunrise, but
sometimes during the day it would rain for an hour or more and be very cloudy,
of course, you would still get sun burned- should I shoot for consistency in a
lighting regime?
<Bingo, yes>
Anyway, my second questions arises from my first- a year ago, when I seeded the
42 gallon hex I didn't use any light- and I still got a little of the red flakey
algae. I seeded my puffer tank- numbers, 70 gallon show tank, 3ftx2ftx1.5ft. 1
Berlin skimmer, 2 magnum canisters and one 2 year old porcupine puffer, about 4
inches now- nothing else nada. I took 10 lbs of live sand and crushed live rock
and added it to his tank- it really stimulated his hunter instincts and I'm glad
I did it- but now I want to add a few pieced of large live rock to his otherwise
sterile base rock structure- in your opinion, how much light should I throw at
this guy? He does not like the light at all,
<Just enough for you to enjoy it... but consistently... on a timer>
I've always used only actinics and he's out a lot more if I don't turn daylight
bulbs on. The seeding went very well and I'd like to continue, but little dude's
favorite food happens to be snails, so nuisance algae is of great concern if I
have to increase the light to get the hard purple and pink algae- water flow
can't be too strong either- they are relatively poor swimmers. Do you think I
could get good coralline growth in this tank with say 2x 65 watt actinics?
<Maybe... worth trying>
I think he could deal with that level, daylight makes him stay in his structure,
probably cause he's a baby, he's a wimp, or both-not too bright, but hecka cute.
Ok third question- watts per gallon- doesn't mean anything does it?
<Can be a useful generalization>
I realize this once I looked at the HQI, the whole fixture is only 280 watts,
but the intensity is way more than twice the 130 PC fixture, and the 20 gallon
is half the height- am I on the right track here, or am I going to end up with a
42 gallon tank of seafood gumbo? Can I get a clam now?
<Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/lighting/index.htm>
Should I get more LPS coral for the upper levels? Is it too bright for it?
<If you want and no>
The xenia love it, but I can't seem to do too much that bothers them- the one
LPS coral I have has done wonderful on pc lighting, should it do better on Metal
Halide?
<Ultimately, likely so>
Do different species of mushrooms like different light levels?
<Yes>
What about Florida false corals?
<These are Corallimorpharians as well>
I've heard of people putting Metal Halides on really small tanks, how?
<With danger... from over-evaporation, heating, photo stress and shock>
Is it safe to move from my menial existence as a keeper of soft corals to more
difficult species now?
<In a month or two>
How many snails and what type should I use in the hex tank- for nuisance algae?
<Please see WWM re>
The narsy snails are too small I think, hermits can carry them. Ok, so it's more
than one question- my main concern is baking my corals, or actually boiling
them- no heat buildup, maybe a degree, but the intensity- I've gotten some
pretty nasty sun burn on a cloudy day.
Thanks,
Aaron
<You have a good, curious mind Aaron... you just need a bit more knowledge...
which you can find on WetWebMedia.com
Bob Fenner>
Too much light? Another photo-acclimation query
Hi crew,
I hope your holidays went well and were happy!!
I have explored many sites over the past several months. Nothing comes
close to the accurate, swift, and friendly information you guys provide us
starting reefers. I thank you.
<You are welcome>
I upgraded my lights from power compacts to HQIs. Currently my 90 gallon
tank is as follows- 2 x 250 watt 10K Ushio halides, with a dawn/dusk 96 watt
PC. 90 gallons, G-2x skimmer, 3000 GPH closed loop circulation, 30 gallon
reservoir. Water is 1.024 SG, 8.2 pH, Alk 11, calcium about 400. My current
stock is 2 damsels, 1 brown Scopas tang, a tomato clown, and a lawnmower
blenny. My corals are 2 colonies of green stars, a green BTA, 2 Xenia, a
crocea
and derasa clam, a LT plate coral, and a green birds nest.
My Bali Acropora, placed at the top of the tank within 2 weeks of
acquiring, just died. It turned from cream to bright pink, then
suddenly white. I
removed it, and it smelled bad. My birds nest had been near the top also. It
was starting to bleach, so I lowered it to the bottom third of the tank.
<Mmm, where did you start these corals? Hopefully not immediately at the top of
the water column.... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm
and the Related FAQs (linked, in blue, above)>
Since I removed it, all the rest of the corals responded with more health.
I got these halides so I could keep SPS. Did I move the Acro up to the
lights to rapidly, or do I have to much light in general?
<Bingo~!>
My 2 clams are open
fully and healthy on the sand (got them 2 weeks ago). Should I move them up
towards more intense light?
<Mmm, not necessarily... most Tridacnid species are best left on softer
substrate bottoms>
It seems I have achieved high light. What extremely high light, colorful
SPS coral would do well under this light at the top of my tank?
Thanks,
James
<Please read through WWM re... these are principally species of the families
Acroporidae, Poritidae and Pocilloporidae. Bob Fenner>
Lighting change
I have a 50 gal. that is 18" deep. I have 1-250 watt mogul base MH about 6"
above the water. I am replacing that with 2- 250watt HQI, 2-T5 actinics, and
L.E.D. moonlight. The tank has been with the single bulb set-up for about 1
year. My question is how should I go about acclimating the stock to the new
light system without shocking them?
Thomas Giddens
<Hello Tom, A safe way is to start the MH's at one hour, and increase by one
half hour each day till you reach the time you want your lights on. James
(Salty Dog)>
Unhappy Corals at High Noon: New Light Acclimation 12/19/04
Hi Guys, Thanks for the great site and advice :)
<Howdy, and thanks :)>
In my tank I have two hammer corals (used to be one big one that got too big),
an Alveopora, star polyps, and I recently just added a show rock with about 4
different kinds of Zoanthids and various polyps. At the same time I added that
rock, I doubled might power compact lighting from 95 to 190 watts. This was
about two weeks ago.
<Hmmm... no mention of an acclimation period and a clear indication in light of
the mail title where this is going <G>...>
Since that time, every day my lights come on at 10am and all the corals expand
and look very healthy. Then at about 12 everything starts to close up and look
sickly until 3pm. At this point everything starts to expand again, but not to a
large extent.
Is it possible that the rock with all the polyps on it has incompatible polyps
that are engaging in chemical warfare?
<always present, yes... but to the extent that it causes these symptoms
already... not sure.>
It's obvious that all of the polyps were glued on,
<Ughhh...>
and thus I'm suspicious because they did not grow
together naturally.
<if so, they will not stay together, rest assured. They will separate or kill
each other sooner rather than later>
Or could it be the lighting change is having some effect in the middle of the
day for a few hours?
<is possible, even likely. Such dramatic changes in lighting require a much more
gentle acclimation. Keep the same photoperiod, but add some layers of plastic
fly screen for a couple weeks (after new lamp replacements too). Remove a sheet
every few days and soon the acclimation is done. Anthony>
New corals and new lights affecting old corals?
Hi crew, hope all is well.
With your help, I have upgraded my 90 gallon tank to 2x250 HQI Ushio halides + a
96 watt 50/50 PC. Berlin skimmer, closed loop, and reservoirs also.
After I upgraded, my "old" corals ( green star, a flowerpot, and a bleached BTA)
responded very well- all were opened fully.
In the last 2 weeks, I added an Acropora, a small SPS(?) plate coral, a fist
sized birds nest coral, and a disc coral with several polyps. All of these are
doing very well. Just last night, I added a medium sized bubble tip anemone and
a clown fish- they are both very happy, and were symbiotic in less than 10
minutes of introducing them.
Soon after I added the Acro, plate, disc with polyps and birds nest, my older
corals have remained only partially open. My flowerpot has 3 small
Featherdusters on it.
<< Well two things here. First of all flowerpot corals are terrible aquarium
corals, and I wouldn't be surprised if it slowly dies. In fact I'd be surprised
if it lives and grows. But in regards to your other previous corals I think
maybe the lighting upgrade is just too much too quickly. Give them some time,
and if you can slowly increase that light. >>
My water chemistry has remained constant- salt- 1.024, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 0
nitrate. pH is 8.1, Alk is about 11, I rely on 10% weekly water changes to keep
my calcium up.
Why are my old corals pulled in? << I think they are stressed from the changes,
it may take a few weeks. >> If it is because of the new corals, will they get
used to them in the near future?
Your advice is more than appreciated. I'm sending a pic of the BTA and
clownfish I bought a little over 24 hours ago. << I think giving them time is
best, and also slowly raising the lighting. >>
James, Prov, RI
<< Blundell >>
Acclimating corals to light
Dear WWM crew.
<< Blundell as always. >>
My 72G tank has been setup for about a year now. About 2 months ago 65lbs
of live rock was added to the original 15lbs and lighting was upped to 384
watts -50% daylight. I have 2 skunk cleaner shrimp, 1 ocellaris clown, 1
fridmani's Pseudochromis and 1 Kole tang for livestock. Water parameters
are:
Salinity 1.025
Temp 78.5F - 81F
Calcium 420ppm
Alkalinity 4.8 dKH (a bit low.)
pH 7.9 after a weekend at the lowest, usually 8.0 to 8.2 midweek
Nitrates under 5ppm
Don't test for anything else.
Coralline algae is slowly disappearing off most of the live rocks -except
for 3 rocks, but growing on the power heads within 2 months of intro in to
tank. It's being supplanted by strange looking macro algae on the lower rocks.
<< Doesn't sound bad. My coralline is all over the pumps and glass, but not on
the rocks. >>
I've just ordered 6 mushroom coral rocks from Aquacon.com that should be
here next Tuesday. I have a 50G Rubbermaid tub with 20G of water setup for
QT. And now to the question -is it a good idea to QT the coral under
lighting that is far dimmer than what it will be under in the tank? << No, bad
idea. And I wouldn't qt them at all. >> I'm
afraid of the corals expelling a lot of their zooxanthellae while in QT. << Yep,
then they sunburn when you put them under your high lighting. >>
Should I QT just long enough to see if the polyps will open and there are no
parasitic snails? << I would just throw them in the tank. >>
Thanks!
Narayan
<< Blundell >>
- Shy Anemone -
Hi Crew,
I read your site almost daily and you have provided great help in the past.
<Excellent!> I've got another question if you have time. Everything I have
ever read about anemone's is that they require a lot of light. I have a 110 gal
which had on it PC's at 288 watts. Two normal and 1 actinic. For many months the
anemone stayed low in the tank and seemed to be doing fine. I just upgraded to
MH lights, 2 -175 watts and 2-55 watt actinics with a PFO hood. It's a great
unit. <That they are, and nicely made.> I had started the lights at
20" above the tank and plan to lower them an inch every couple of days
until I get to 9" above the water. I have noticed that the anemone had
moved even lower after changing to the PFO hood. A couple of days later he
started hiding in a cave. Today he's peeking out a little bit. What could be
making him shy away from the lights? <Absolutely. The sudden blast of light
is stressful to the anemone for a few reasons, but basically it just needs time
to acclimate to this new lighting. It is suggested when upgrading to MH that you
start very high off the tank (like you have done) and slowly increase the
photoperiod from as few as a couple of hours per day to your desired photoperiod
over a couple of weeks. Once that's over with, lower it an inch or two every few
days until it where you want it.> As of today the lights are about 16"
off the water. All water specs are great. I did the Google search in WWM ,but I
can't find anything related to my question. <An excellent place to start,
nonetheless. Just give it some time, and if it appears to bleach at all or
appears otherwise unhealthy, you may be lowering the light too fast. Good luck!
-Kevin> Thanks again, Dick
The Omnipotent WWM archives <G> Acclimatizing marine corals 9/3/03
Anthony, thank you for the second response. I fully understand
what you meant now. That makes a lot of sense.
<very good to hear my friend... do browse the archives... I have several
articles posted there on lighting as well as our immense bank of FAQs>
I do have one last question if that is ok. I do plan on
switching from my current 4-110Watt VHO + 2 96 Watt power compact setup to a
simpler 2 175Watt Ushio Metal Halide + 2 110 Watt URI VHO Actinic configuration.
<all good>
My question is how should I acclimate the corals to the Halides?
<we truly do have information on almost any popular topic you can imagine...
there is a recent article specifically on this topic:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm
>
I do not want to start a bleaching event or even stress the corals real bad
(some of my corals I have had for 5+ years and some of my SPS colonies are
several years old and both are only used to VHO). Do you have a
preferred method of acclimating such as running the Halides for a shorter period
at first?
<never shorten the photoperiod at the expense of all corals... rather filter
selectively (with "screen method"... use that phrase in a keyword
search of our archives for hits on the subject)>
My current setup has the PC coming on at 9AM, VHOs come on at 10AM, PC off at
9PM, VHOs off at 0PM. What would you recommend for the
Halide/VHO combo at first? My wife likes the current time frame for
the lights (good for when guests come over) but
I do not want to shock the corals.
<12 hours is rather long for any halides... you would have to pull the lamps
higher off the water to pull this off perhaps. I'd advise 6-10 hours of halides
gauged by coral behavior in time>
Thanks again for all your help. Andrew
<best regards, Anthony>
Lighting concern
>Hello chaps,
>>And chapettes, Marina here.
>Just wondering what your thoughts may be on a lighting scheme I've
got. I'm running a 120 gallon 4x2x2 tank with only a JBJ 4x55
setup. I originally had a Reefstar? dual 150w MH setup. It
doesn't have any fans on it and the light output was really
intense. I replaced it with the PC's and it's been o.k. I
want to start keeping some easy soft corals (colt, toadstool) and was wondering
if I should add another PC or take apart the MH to just use one of the
bulbs. Any help would be great. Danke, Mike
>>Well, you already *have* the metal halides, however, I know that care
must be taken when acclimating animals to intense light. Here's a
couple of links on that here--> http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/index.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marlgtganthony.htm
I see no reason why you can't stay with the power compacts at this point in
time, and you can even go with some LPS corals (large stony
polyp). The MH lighting would be a prerequisite for SPS corals (small
stony polyp), though. However, since you already have them on hand,
you'll have the flexibility to add them if and when needed. To sum it
up, I think you're off to a great start. Marina
New Corals Needing Quarantine 3/6/03
Hello everybody.
<cheers, Kostas>
I finally added my first living organisms in the tank. The fish are in the
quarantine and some feather dusters, green polyps and mushrooms in the tank.
<good to hear>
Everything is ok except one mushroom and one polyp. I have already send an-email
with the problem and I got a reply from Mr. Fenner but I don't think I explained
the problem every well. The problem is that one mushroom (green) and a green
polyp got covered in some milk like thick dust. For a couple of days
it kept getting bigger (the dust) until I turned a power on it.
<Hmmm.... it sounds like sloughing mucus and/or infection>
From the current the white milkish substance was blown away with all the polyps
which were under it. They looked like they we rotting away. I took out the polyp
and in a plastic container with salt water I gave it a good shake. About 40% of
it's polyps detached (It was a very gentle shake), and the surface of the rock
where the polyps where had a grey mood like surface.
<alas, I am sorry to say that is infection and decay.>
I put it back in the tank and the rest of the "healthy polyps" opened
again under the lights.
<perhaps some of these will live. It also sounds like you may not have enough
water flow in the tank as evidenced by the lingering "dust"
(mucus)>
Same exactly thing happened with the mushroom. The rest of the polyps and
mushrooms are doing excellent. The are expanding really well.
<understood. Kostas, it is very important, my friend, that you quarantine
every animal and live product you bring home (including plants, algae, live
rock, live sand, etc) in a separate quarantine tank before adding it to the main
tank. Anything that comes from saltwater could bring an infection or disease
into your main display and is a potential danger. Please read more about the
simple QT procedure here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/quarinverts.htm
>
I am about to add my first Sarcophytons (some leather corals) so I'm afraid if I
should leave the polyps in there or remove them. I feel sorry for the ones that
are healthy but I don't want anything to happened to the other roommates !!!!!!
<please do not sacrifice the living polyps... either remove them to a small
QT tank, or put the new leather into a QT tank. Keep both separated for 4 weeks
to be safe>
All polyps and mushrooms are in the tank for about a 10 days. Salinity is
1025-1026 no ammonia, MH and 03 on for about 10-12 hours a day, Protein skimmer
full time, calcium reactor as well, No additives of any kind, some phytoplankton
(Marine snow, and brine shrimp.)
<I would recommend that you reduce or stop the Marine snow and brineshimp...
they are not very useful by size and nutritive quality. I don't think you have
enough corals in the tank either to feed yet. Minced mysids or Gammarus shrimp
(or krill) will be fine for the mushrooms and polyps instead (more
nutritious)>
Waiting for your reply Take care Kostas
<best regards, Anthony>
White Acropora? Acclimating a new SPS coral 2/16/03
Hey Gang, Scott Z. from Reefland.com here.
<Cheers, bud!>
I picked up a couple of Acropora sp. last night from a local shop and I wanted
to get your opinion on one of them. These corals are from Walt Smith Pacific
Aqua Farms for sure, the rock it is mounted to is definite proof of that. Here
is a picture of the one I am writing about:
http://www.reefland.com/reef/images/livestockimages/whiteacro21603.jpg
As you can see, the coral is mostly white with purple tips. After some
discussion with a friend, he had a concern that the coral was bleached due to
the coloration. I'm not too sure about that since the coral appears very healthy
in that the polyps are fully extended and the tissue that has encrusted the rock
it is mounted to is the same color. I just wanted to get your opinion on it.
Regards,
Scott Z.
Reefland.com
<No worries Scott. The coral looks reasonably good to me. If the image color
is correct... the pale color is cream more than white and that indicates a
still-uniform distribution of golden-brown zooxanthellae. Acclimate the coral
slowly to the new light (especially if bright). Use a slow ascent over weeks or
just put high into place with small screens above it (that get pulled
sheet by sheet for a slow acclimation to the new light above). We get questions
like this a lot at WWM and usually the coral are bleached and only have remnant
UV reflecting proteins (like a watery purple or blue color). I look at your
coral and see no big red flags. Just a coral that got typically pale from a week
or so import without light. It will be a beauty one day :) Best regards,
Anthony>
Acclimating An Anemone To A New Lighting Scheme
Hey Crew,
<Scott F. here today>
I have to say I found your site about three weeks ago and haven't been able to
stop reading. For two years my setup has been a 90 gal. FOWLR up until twenty
days ago when I purchased my first LTA. Currently, I have only four fish a
Sebae clown, flame angel, domino damsel and a yellow tailed blue damsel. I
wanted to move to a reef tank but can't purchase any corals because of the
angels picking habit thus the anemone.
<A good reason to hold off. Plus, it is never a great idea to mix stinging
cnidarians and corals together in most closed systems...>
My equipment consists of RO water, canister filter, skimmer and 2 x Hagen 402
and 2x Hagen 802 power heads. Water parameters are S.G. = 1.023, pH = 8.2, Temp
= 78oF, Alk. = 3.0 mEq/L, Ca = 400, and trace nitrates, 10% water changes every
two weeks.
<Sounds fine>
Initially my lighting was only 260 watts of PC so I placed the anemone on the
live rock 7" from the tank top. That night he moved to the middle of the tank
about 14" from the top of the tank and stayed buried in some macro algae. Four
days later my new 400 W 6500K Iwasaki light showed up and I installed it 12"
above the tank top and removed the PC. I was feeding him every second day a
little thawed "Reef Gourmet" food and shredded Mysis shrimp. Ten days later I
moved the MH down 1". The next day when the lights came on he continually got
smaller and smaller and I assumed he was going to expel some waste. Finally he
just disappeared all the way into the little hole in the live rock and popped
out the other side upside down under a ledge. The problem is he doesn't
get any light and I can't feed him until I figure out how to get it to him
without someone stealing it. He has been in this position for six days and I'm
getting a little impatient.
My questions are;
1)Will he move again when he gets hungry or wants light?
<Usually, yes. Keep in mind that the lighting upgrade that you did was
significant, and the animal was high up on the rockwork. It will require some
time to acclimate. This seems to be a pretty normal response to this change.>
2)Should I wait a little longer to feed him? How long can he
survive this way?
<I would not "force feed" the animal. Let it become acclimated to your new
lighting regime. If the food is not consumed, it will simply accumulate in the
tank, degrading water quality in the process. Just be patient here.>
3)What average height should my 400 W MH be at?
<I would keep the light anywhere from 8 to 12 inches of the water surface.
Sounds like you are fine.>
Regards, Glenn
<Glad to help, Glen. Just hang in there for a while longer. The animal should
come around. If this "hiding" goes on for several weeks, then it may be cause for
greater concern. Stay on top of things! Regards, Scott F>
Zooxanthellae
I am a beginner reef keeper,
<welcome my friend>
my tank is pretty mature about 8 months and water quality is good (as far as I
know).
<please be sure to test all parameters regularly before you buy corals>
I just purchased bubble coral and it has emitted some zooxanthellae, I have read
this is normal as it is adapting to my tanks parameters.
<its not normal or healthy... just common in stressed animals>
How do I know if it is too much or if it is in fact emitting all of its
zooxanthellae and therefore dying? Thx AB
<we cannot say without more information and images at least, but rest assured
that the coral will almost certainly adapt. At times like this feeding is
crucial if the coral will survive. Feed small portions of very finely minced
meats daily for the first 2 months... then at least 3-5 times weekly
indefinitely after that. See this article as well:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fdreefinverts.htm
Best regards, Anthony Calfo>
Lighting upgrade... too much too soon... marine
I recently upgrade my 72 gal tank (21 inches deep) from 260 watts PC to 440
watts PC. I made the switch about 3 weeks ago. In fear of bleaching out my
existing corals, I started off with 330 for the first 5 days and then went to
the full 440 watts (220 blue/220 white). I have several coral plugs from GARF
both soft and SPS. In the last few days , I have noticed some of the Ricordea
mushrooms not opening and other soft corals not losing their color but
developing a whitish tone. Is this a form of bleaching?
<Surely stress from such a large increase in lighting (doubled in five days).
Mushrooms and some soft corals do not require or tolerate this much light, so do
place/shade accordingly. Your SPS will want to be near the top (where their
growth can help shade the Shrooms below.>
Or is this too much for soft corals? I though my increase was gradual
enough.
<This is the trick with mixed tanks. You have deep water mushrooms that like
low light and LPS which likes moderate to high light, and you have SPS which
tend to require high light levels. You now need to raise the light so you don't
shock/burn/bleach even your SPS. Place the low light corals out of the light or
shade them, and very slowly lower the light over weeks, not days.>
I have been running the lights 12hrs on 12hrs off. Should I cut back on
hours?
<NO.>
If so for how long? At the same time I don't want to deprive light to my SPS.
Please let me know what you think. - Thanks Ron
<It's easier for corals to adapt to temporary lower light levels that huge
increases in light levels. Raised the lights and use shading materials.
Craig>
Lighting and corals with tiny little sunglasses
Hi again, crew...
<cheers>
I read the Calfo article on lighting...helpful, but doesn't answer my main
question: what's the best way
to shift the lighting in the tank a little more blue when the halides are
on?
<bluer halogen lamps (20K) or add fluorescent blue (VHO actinics)>
Recap: 75 gallon tall (24" deep), 2 250W 10K MH, 4 55W PC actinic. Sounds
like a lot of light now,
<sounds like?! It is a lot of light, my friend. Too much for almost
everything you will want to keep unless you are keeping only shallow water SPS
corals and clams. Even then it is a stretch>
but at the time I installed, it was recommended by several sources.
<OK... but do consider that these sources might be wrong or inexperienced
(tanks set up less just a few years). I assure you that many corals will seem to
fare well for as much as a year before suffering from photoinhibition. Pale
colors, mysterious deaths (zooxanthellae shut-down and corals starves), etc. I
still haven't heard your complete livestock selection (fishes and corals) but
again... this much light lets you safely keep less than 20% of what's on the
market>>
Very white when the MHs are on, even with the actinic PCs. Should I lower the 2
250Ws to 2 175Ws?
<that would be awesome... and if you really like blue color, do get 20K
Radiums... the best of the blue halides>
Change the spectrum on the bulbs from 10K to 14K, or even 20K?
<indeed if it suits you. 20K Radiums give a wonderful blue color in my
opinion, grow most corals reasonably well and keep most (not all) iridescent
pigments from shifting (the sexy colored corals)>
And if I change the bulbs, any recommendations on how to break them in?
<the bulbs or the corals?>
When I installed the MHs originally, I burned in the bulbs for 100 hours, but I
don't have any "spare"
ballasts to do that...how critical is the 100 hour break-in?
<not that critical here stepping down from the 250s>
And if I lower from 250W to 175W bulbs, is there a way to help the corals and
clams keep from suffering in the transition to lower light
<regular feedings>
levels, or will they even notice?
<they will notice but adapt>
A lot of questions, but I'm unsure how to proceed at this point.
<no worries at all... I hope we are helping you along!>
Again, thanks for your time... Arthur
<best regards, Anthony>
Lighting question
Just a few "boring" lighting questions if you don't mind:
<Hi Dave!>
I have a 100 gallon tank with soft corals, mushrooms, Zoanthids, star polyps,
and algae. I hope to add a bubble coral soon, and maybe a frogspawn. . .Maybe an
LPS. That's all the hard corals I will ever add. It is time to replace the
lighting bulbs and that is what prompts this email.
Currently, I am using an Icecap 660 (420 watts). The bulbs are 1x50/50,
1xAquasun, and 1xsuper actinic, all URI brand.
1) Should I replace these bulbs with a different selection? Maybe. . .2xAquasun
and 1xActinic, or 2xAqausun and 1x50/50? Leave as it currently is?
<Your first mix seems good and your inhabitants have acclimated to that
light. Most use and recommend a 50/50 mix of 50/50's and 03 actinic, but the
50/50 , AquaSun and actinic is likely a good mix, perhaps a bit whiter than an
equal mix of 50/50 and actinic. Your LPS will do well. Make sure they are a
little closer to the top if this tank is much over 20" deep (a certainty
with a 100!)>
2) What about all Aquasuns? Would the 10000K bulbs be okay for this application
or do I need a lesser K?
<Would not advise. Your softies and mushrooms like that actinic light and
will look better too.>
3) If I went with all Aquasuns of the 10000K variety, how blue would the bulbs
make the water appear? I would not really want a stark white aquarium nor a
flashback to "Jaws". . .
<Then don't use all Aquasuns which will appear very white. The choice you
made is pretty good.>
4) Assuming that you choose a mix of actinic and AquaSun, would I be better off
with bulbs in the 5000-7500K range or would the 10000K bulbs that General
Aquatics sells perform just as well for my particular situation?
<URI are the best. I would stick with them. Do shop for good deals on URI VHO
bulbs with the WetWebMedia sponsors!>
Thanks for the help boyz!! Try getting these questions answered at a fish
store!! Dave d.
<One WARNING Dave....replace them one at a time over three or four weeks,
don't shock your inhabitants with the new higher output and improved spectrum of
new bulbs. I would start with the actinic and then the 50/50 adding the AquaSun
last and most cautiously. Please read more excellent information on lighting at:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marlgtganthony.htm and jump down to the High
Intensity Fluorescent Lighting chapter.
You will be happy you did! Have fun! Craig>
Mushrooms Bleaching/SPS Polyps Closed
I am having some trouble with mushrooms bleaching in my 135g tank. Here are
the tank parameters, and other than some minor fluctuations the parameters have
been consistent for at least the past year;
Size: 135 gallon
Biological Filtration: 4-5" live sand bed, approx. 120 pounds of live rock
and I am running a protein skimmer in the sump.
Mechanical Filtration: N/A
Chemical Filtration: N/A
Lighting: 2 - 7500K 175W Metal Halides, 2 - 10K 55W Power Compacts, 2 -
Actinic 55W Power Compacts (None of the bulbs are older than 6-8 months)
Water Movement: 3 - Maxi Jet 1200, 1 - Rio 1400 all on a wave maker. Quiet
One return from the sump.
Temp: 78-80f
Specific Gravity: 1.024
Calcium: 400-450
pH: 8-8.2 (Depends upon when I test but this is the range)
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 0
dKH: 10
Makeup Water: Aged Tap (I have a copy of the water report and the water
looks pretty good but I will shortly be purchasing an RO/DI unit)
Fish: Yellow Tang, White Cap Clownfish, Skunk Clownfish, Lawnmower Blenny, Coral
Beauty, Yellow Watchman Inverts: Usual mix of snails/hermits, pistol shrimp
Corals: Acropora, Montipora, Pocillopora, torch, hammer, Fungia, brain, colt,
finger leather, cabbage leather, Zoanthids, mushrooms
I have encountered two problems in the past 2 months and I can't find a
solution. All of the SPS corals show healthy growth, and no bleaching...but they
do not appear to have the polyp extension they had a few months ago (especially
the Montipora digitata). I have several different types of mushrooms throughout
the tank, and recently they have begun indiscriminately bleaching. It is
affecting them at different depths, different water flows, etc. One may bleach
and die off but the ones surrounding it are fine.
We moved the first week of July so I know some of the corals were stressed. But
they have been open and healthy the first two months, and the SPS still show
fine growth. Everything else in the tank is doing fine. What can I try next?
Marc Daniels
Elk Grove, CA
<Hello Marc, the problem here is that SPS corals and mushrooms do not make
good tank mates. The SPS require far more light that the mushrooms can handle
for an extended period of time. What you are experiencing is photoinhibition.
Photoinhibition is an individual specific occurrence, which will make it appear
as if the mushrooms are bleaching at random. They usually tolerate it for 6-12
months before bleaching. Corallimorphs are collected typically 40-60 feet deep,
some towards 79
where the light is a mere percent or two of that at the surface. I would try to
get the mushrooms out of the sun and see if they do any better. Best Regards,
Gage>
Re: Mushrooms Bleaching/SPS Polyps Closed
Gage-
Thanks for the info...I was concerned that it may have been the lighting, but
they have been under the halides for quite a while and I had a hard time tying
the two together. I'll move them into a different tank and see how they respond.
I also found quite a bit of literature online regarding Photoinhibition in
corals and have several hours reading ahead of me. Thanks again, Marc Daniels
<Good stuff, any excuse to set up another tank is a good one in my mind. Glad
we could help. Best of luck, Gage>
Good question: light acclimation
Cheers, Chris... good to hear from you!
> I've been doing some research on light acclimation
> and I had a few
> questions. I've recently been having a conversation
> with Eric Borneman who
> enlightened me that my acclimation method was
> altogether wrong. My method
> was starting with photoperiod x, increase by delta y
> every z days.
> Currently x = 4 hours, y = 15 min.s and z = 4 days.
I agree that this is bad in an established display
with other corals. You will stress or at least
compromise the health of all other symbiotic creatures
in the display every time you want to acclimate a new
coral.
> My question to him was
> what are the optimal parameters for x, y, z.
> Instead he stated that this
> method could cause damage to corals and I should
> either (A) use your screen
> method or (B) turn the lights on for an hour then
> off for an hour increasing
> the amount of "on" time.
I'm lazy <G>... I like the screen method for
established reef aquaria.
> This prompted me to do some research on your screen method. The best I found was here:
> http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm.
Yep... its pretty short and sweet. Simply put the
coral in the reef display where it ultimately belongs
and then suspend a stack of small cut sheets of screen
above it between the lights and water surface. Remove
a sheet every day or other until all are removed after
a couple of weeks.
> Then I
> found the following quote: "<You can temporarily
> have the lamps raised and then slowly lower them. Also, keep the MH's on for a short time period, say only two hours and add two hours every week until you have reached a desired photoperiod, about 10 hours.
> It seems in the second sentence you are advocating the method I described above. Have you changed your position on this?
Ahhh... not at all. To be more specific. The raised
light method only works for coral in a proper
quarantine tank where the manipulation of such light
intensity (raising/lowering lamps) will not compromise
other corals or symbiotic animals.
I'm still trying to understand what is wrong with this method.
as per above... stressing other corals in the tank
every time you add a new piece.
> Borneman has only hinted with a
> one sentence explanation that its dangerous.
> Personally I've used this
> method with great success a few times,
as they say... even a blind squirrel finds a nut
sometimes :) Seriously though... its not a crime...
but there is a better way. And all is testimony to the
adaptability of many corals.
I was just hoping to speed things up
> if I was going unnecessarily slow.
Ha.. patience my fellow impatient American.
It seems from
> the above quote that I
> could go faster, if this method is safe.
Nope...
If its not, I'd love a better explanation of what's going on in the coral that makes this method a bad choice.
I hope I've illuminated the topic for you :)
> If you are really interested (I feel bad about bothering you already)
No bother at all... my pleasure
the thread is here:
http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=811938#post811
> 938
I will be sure to visit... thanks kindly for sharing
and caring for my opinion.
Best regards, Anthony
Good question: light acclimation
> > I've been doing some research on light acclimation and I had a few
> > questions. I've recently been having a conversation with Eric Borneman who enlightened me that my acclimation method was
> > altogether wrong. My method was starting with photoperiod x, increase by delta y every z days.
> > Currently x = 4 hours, y = 15 min.s and z = 4 days.
> I agree that this is bad in an established displaywith other corals. You will stress or at least compromise the health of all other symbiotic creatures in the display every time you want to acclimate a new coral.
Lets assume that we aren't acclimating just one coral, but an entire tank.
For example, I moved my tank and they were under VHOs for 2 weeks. Another
example, upgrading from 250w halides to 400W. Is this method okay under
those circumstances?
> > My question to him was what are the optimal parameters for x, y, z.
> > Instead he stated that this method could cause damage to corals and I should either (A) use your screen method or (B) turn the lights on for an hour then off for an hour increasing the amount of "on" time.
> I'm lazy <G>... I like the screen method for established reef aquaria.
I think I like that idea too, and may give it a try next time. But what do
you think about Borneman's option "B"? For full tank acclimation do
you
feel this is better than lengthening the photoperiod? Why?
> > This prompted me to do some research on your screen
> > method. The best I
> > found was here:
> > http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm.
> Yep... its pretty short and sweet. Simply put the
> coral in the reef display where it ultimately belongs
> and then suspend a stack of small cut sheets of screen
> above it between the lights and water surface. Remove
> a sheet every day or other until all are removed after
> a couple of weeks.
I saw you recommended vinyl screen. So is the screen submerged? Affixed
via wires at the surface? I assumed the later on first read, so I worried
about it melting from the halides as my lights are only 5" above the water.
:) If submerged, does it float or get blown around in the current? How is
it attached?
> > Then I
> > found the following quote: "<You can temporarily
> > have the lamps raised and
> > then slowly lower them. Also, keep the MH's on for a
> > short time period, say
> > only two hours and add two hours every week until
> > you have reached a desired
> > photoperiod, about 10 hours.
> > It seems in the second sentence you are advocating
> > the method I described
> > above. Have you changed your position on this?
> Ahhh... not at all. To be more specific. The raised
> light method only works for coral in a proper
> quarantine tank where the manipulation of such light
> intensity (raising/lowering lamps) will not compromise
> other corals or symbiotic animals.
Actually I was talking about the photoperiod comment in the second sentence.
Maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded as though you were recommending the
method I first described (increasing photoperiod by a delta x).
> I'm still trying to
> > understand what is wrong with this method.
> as per above... stressing other corals in the tank
> every time you add a new piece.
Agreed. But Borneman hinted that even for whole tank acclimation
"photosynthesis gets cranked up very quickly - within an hour...so by four
hours, if the photosynthetic machinery isn't adapted, damage could be done
in 4 hours."
It seems he is stating that this method would overload the corals, like a
car overheating. I tried to relate to this statement by saying, "what I was
doing by slowly increasing the photoperiod was driving a car a little
further uphill everyday with the air conditioner at full blast just tempting
it to overheat." Do you agree?
Thank you very much for your time!
Cheers,
Chris (aka newkie)
Coral Acclimation
Hi Folks,
<cheers!>
Great site.
<thanks kindly>
I'm aware of the need to acclimate fish to pH, temp, SG, etc prior to placing
them into either the main aquarium or Q tank> Does the same apply to
corals?
<yes... as important or more so for all invertebrates. They suffer osmotic
shock more easily than thick skinned fishes>
Also, I would never add 6 new fish to an aquarium due to the need to gradually
adjust the bio filter load. Could I add 6 filter-feeding hard corals at one
time?
<yes... generally you can as they are little weight on the bioload. Do skim
heavily though and do a water change days later to reduce stressful noxious
compounds exuded on acclimation>
Thanks, Thomas<read this article too please for the move from the QT to the
main display: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm
best regards, Anthony>
Coral Acclimation Question
My apologies if this is redundant (I sent the same email to your WetWebMedia
address):
<No, we still seem to be experiencing problems. We only received this one
copy. Strange, every email I send goes through fine, but many readers are having
problems.>
Hello and thanks for your help in the past! I have a newly cycled 72g bow front
up and running with 85 lb. live rock and 140 lb. live sand (including some in
20g sump). Soon I will begin to move the sessile inhabitants (leather coral,
frogspawn, Blasto, various mushrooms, and various polyps) of my old 30g to their
new home. My 30g was running 96w PC 50/50 lighting and the new tank has 2X 175w
10K MH plus 2X 65w PC actinic. Should I leave the MHs off for some period of
time to avoid shocking anybody? I was planning placing all corals low in the
tank and running only the actinics for a week, adding 1 MH for a week, then
finally adding the 2nd. Or should this process be more gradual?
<I would make one change/recommendation. Turn both MH's on at the same time
after running the PC's for a week, but for only two hours for one week. Then for
four hours for a week and so on.>
Then, once my lighting was full strength, moving the corals (polyps and leather
especially) upwards at a graduated pace.
<Make any moves very slowly. Almost better to put them where you want them in
the first place. Most of the corals you mentioned will need to stay at the
bottom anyhow, frogspawn, Blasto, various mushrooms, and various polyps.>
I realize this is a complicated question, but any advice you could offer would
be greatly appreciated.
Thanks! Ed Marshall, Austin, TX
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
Long Tentacle Anemone
Hello Robert,
<Anthony Calfo in your service>
I have a 45 gallon tank with 2 to 3 inches of live sand also live rock,
fish, coral, etc. About three weeks ago I purchased a long tentacle anemone that
still has not picked a place to stay.
<if not damaged, it is a common sign of inadequate lighting either by virtue
of an inherent deficiency in intensity or by quality (like a good system of high
intensity bulbs, but yellowed water, aged bulbs (over 10months old), dust/debris
on bulbs or lenses/canopies, etc)>
It just lies on its side on the bottom of the tank moving from place to place
mainly going into the corner smashing itself against the glass its health seems
fine spreading out it tentacles and retracting them as usual and it has not
shrunk in size.
<not shrinking is not necessarily a good sign. Symbiotic reef inverts pan for
light when light is poor as well. See new article posted that is somewhat
pertinent: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm>
What is the safest way to convince it to pick a place to stick.
<tell me more about your lighting... it is my suspicion and the most likely
cause. If you do have hardcore reef lighting, is your water clarity excellent
(carbon once/twice monthly, etc...)?>
JS
<kindly, Anthony>
Lighting
Hi all,
I have a 46 gallon tank with the GE 110 watt PC hood (just shy of 10,000
K...like 9325K) so that puts me at about 2.3 watts/gallon. My current set up is
fish only with live rock and some shrimp, crabs and snails. With that level of
lighting is there ANYTHING more I can do with this tank without upgrading my
lighting? I was hoping it might be feasible to drop in an anemone with a clown
fish, nothing major. Any suggestions on how far I can go with the inverts and
this level of lighting? Wes
<Forget about the anemone, much too difficult. Mushroom anemones/Corallimorphs
are fairly adaptable to light levels and would be your best bet. -Steven Pro>
Bob,
<Bren>
What can you tell me about Japanese water quality and collection of anemones
there? 9/28/07
<Water quality is variable... and aquarists in Japan tend to "go overboard"
with gear, particularly lighting, filtration...>
There is a question in my in-box that has me a bit shocked. Particularly the
paragraphs below:
“Not many people acclimate their corals or anemones in Japan, and some people in
Japan install tanks and put in corals on almost the same day. So, it really
surprises me sometimes how cautious and meticulous the advice is on English
websites in comparison.”
<Mmm, this is so to an extent>
“I purchased a Sebae anemone, which we call a "white-string anemone" in Japanese
(they appear white in our local waters).”
Thanks,
Brenda
<Yes... "things" are different in general twixt here and there. BobF>
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