FOWLR stocking question  - 09/14/06
Hi WWM crew,
   <Chaidan>
  I currently have a 200 gallon Oceanic with a lone dogface puffer.  In 3 weeks I will be replacing the 200 with a 600 gallon Tenecor (96Lx48Wx30H)
<Neat!>
that I have been planning for a few years now.  What is your opinion on my stocking list:   
  First in tank:  3 Addis butterflies.  Second in tank: 6" adult red sea emperator, 4" asfur and 4" chrysurus angel.
<Mmm... if started at this size, likely all these angels will be fine>
  Third in tank:  Australian harlequin tusk.  4th in tank:  3" blue tang, 5 inch blonde Naso tang (red sea), 5th in tank: pair of crosshatch triggers.   
  What is your opinion from a compatibility and stocking level standpoint? Thank you for your time and opinion and keep up the good work.   
  Chaidan
<This will be a spectacular display... I would quarantine the incoming livestock in order. Bob Fenner>

Mixing Angels 8/28/06
I was curious what the compatibility would be of a Coral Beauty and a Sumireyakko venustus? I ask because I have been told that Angelfishes will usually be compatible if they are of different genera. However, I also saw on WWM (thanks!) that the Sumireyakko venustus used to be classified as a pygmy angel - the same as the Coral Beauty.
Tank specs:
55 gal., 60+ lbs LR, Prizm Skimmer, 48" Satellite Dual lighting on timers,
small sump, Lawnmower Blenny, Coral Beauty, 2 Percula Clowns.
Also, if the Sumireyakko venustus is a possibility, would it be detrimental to soft corals/anemones/etc?
Thanks, guys! WWM is second to none!
Alex B.
<I would not mix angels in this sized tank, the risk for aggression is too high.  The Sumireyakko venustus is most likely reef safe given a proper diet, however they will be more prone to sample if there is a nutritional deficiency.>
<Chris>

Blue face angel, comp.   8/18/06
hi,
Thank you very much for the wonderful support you have been giving me!
<Welcome>
I have a query, I am aware that the Blue face angel (Pomacanthus xanthometopon) is not reef safe, but i would like to know whether there are any corals (soft or hard) that can be housed with the blue face angel?
<If the system is large enough... hundreds of gallons, can likely keep this Angel with most any/everything>
If yes, will you kindly let me know which ones are those...
Thank you very much,
regards,
Anup
<Size of the system is the most important factor here. This Pomacanthid is found in intimate association with the reef, cnidarians... Bob Fenner>

Bi-polar angels   8/18/06
Hello crew,
  I have an interesting story to share with you, and a question to boot! I have a 90 gallon tank which is home to a 3 inch one eyed eibli angel who is an extremely territorial fish.
<Some Centropyge individuals can be so...>
He even spikes my finger when i feed them. I was keen to place my 3 inch blue ring angel in the same tank
<Not a big enough volume...>
but after reading several FAQs i thought it would be a bad idea.
<Agreed>
Anyway i decided to give them a try knowing that i would probably have to remove one or the other shortly after. On the first night they were together old one eye was like an angel straight from hell-relentlessly attacking the poor blue ring all around the tank. That night i tried unsuccessfully to remove one of them, so i turned out all the lights and covered the tank with towels to completely black it out until i had time to have another attempt at catching one. The idea was that if they couldn't see anything, they couldn't kill each other
(and I'm certain that if this behaviour had gone on, the blue ring would not have lasted
2 days). So when i removed the towels and turned the lights back on the next day,  the 2 angels were reasonably peaceful toward each other!
<Interesting>
As a few days have passed now, they have become even more peaceful. They have come within 2cm of each other and hardly noticed! It's amazing; and a nice feeling to be so lucky that these 2 angels can live together. Even feeding time is without incident. So my question is: is this unusual behaviour? why would these fish suddenly become friendly? Thanks!
<Perhaps they became "friends through common adversity". Don't know... but a "hint", "bit of advice" I'll pass on to others to try with similar situations. Bob Fenner>

Re: Bi-polar angels   8/19/06
Hello crew,
I have an interesting story to share with you, and a question to boot! I have a 90 gallon tank which is home to a 3 inch one eyed eibli angel who is an extremely territorial fish.
He even spikes my finger when i feed them. I was keen to place my 3 inch blue ring angel in the same tank
but after reading several FAQs i thought it would be a bad idea.
Anyway i decided to give them a try knowing that i would probably have to remove one or the other shortly after. On the first night they were together old one eye was like an angel straight from hell-relentlessly attacking the poor blue ring all around the tank. That night i tried unsuccessfully to remove one of them, so i turned out all the lights and covered the tank with towels to completely black it out until i had time to have another attempt at catching one. The idea was that if they couldn't see anything, they couldn't kill each other
(and I'm certain that if this behaviour had gone on, the blue ring would not have lasted
2 days). So when i removed the towels and turned the lights back on the next day, the 2 angels were reasonably peaceful toward each other!
As a few days have passed now, they have become even more peaceful. They have come within 2cm of each other and hardly noticed! It's amazing; and a nice feeling to be so lucky that these 2 angels can live together. Even feeding time is without incident. So my question is: is this unusual behaviour? why would these fish suddenly become friendly? Thanks!   
  The fact that the eibli only has one eye doesn't seem to affect him, he looks very healthy and he doesn't swim on an angle, or bump into things.   
  I just put a new piece of live rock in the tank today and both angels are picking it over, completely oblivious to each other's presence. I can't believe my luck, and i hope it lasts.
<Amazing... me too. Bob Fenner>

Angel Compatibility With Corals   8/3/06
Hi there, WWW Crew, Greetings from Portugal
<Hello Joao.>
I know this is the "million dollar/Euro question" and I've been reading all the info I could find (namely in your FAQs). So, I'm not hoping to get a final answer, but the best information available prior to decide (and take my chances). That's why I'm resorting to you.
I've had FO tanks (since 1990) and reef tanks over the years. The thing is... I can't choose between having corals and a large angel and decided it's time to have a really mixed tank, knowing that's a much bigger challenge. I'll naturally have to avoid meaty LPS, clams and some softies, so the tank will be a SPS dominated (my favorite corals, anyway). Furthermore, I would also like to have (not a must, though; still thinking about the cons) an Entacmaea quadricolor anemone (BTA ?), which already has an isolated "island" for it.
<Would not mix anemones with corals and/or fish other than clowns.  Larger angels have a tendency to nip the tips off anemones.>
Bearing all this in mind, I recently (4 months ago) upgraded my 3 year 55G aquarium to an in-wall 210G with a 55G sump, 25G upper refugium (with 7inch DSB, LR and Chaetomorpha algae) and 25G quarantine tank. The system is running well with weekly (close to) 10% water changes, approx. 150 kg.s "old" Liverock, my stock from the old tank (4 fishes -  including a C. loriculus - and some corals), a substantial cleaning crew and, I believe, fairly good equipment (4x150w HQI + 3x80w T5 lamps; Tunze TS24 kit with multicontroller + Red dragon 6.5m3 as a return pump, for circulation; Schuran Jetskim 200 skimmer; Deltec KM 500 kalkstirrer; Schuran Jetstream1 calcium reactor - yet to be connected; IKS Aquastar, etc).
<Sounds nice.>
The large angel - only one -  will be added in approximately one year time to give the system some time to mature and the corals to grow. I'll try to find a 3-4 inch healthy specimen and give it a good quarantine. The thing is...which one.
What I know: No angel is really reefsafe; It's a hit and miss, depending a lot on the individual; Sometimes the transition from juvenile to adult causes disaster with a big change on feeding habits;
What I would like to have: P. Imperator / E. Navarchus or Xanthometopon / Pygoplites diacanthus / Arusetta Asfur. I'm also considering one Chaetodonoplus (if the other are a no-no). I'm not thinking about Genicanthus, although admitting it would probably be the safest choice. (sorry for using the Latin names, but I'm not too familiar with the English ones, and I don't want to mislead you).
What I would like to know: is it possible to rank these angels in a scale of less to more problematic, considering the issues mentioned above and my system?
<No, angels will develop different personalities/eating habits.  No two will necessarily be the same.>
Should I be asked, I would, probably say:  1st - Genicanthus spp; 2nd Chaetodonoplus spp (?), but 3rd....and 4th and....5th.... (the ones I want....)
<I cannot recommend which angel would be a good risk with corals due to personality differences.  The choice will be yours my friend.  The pygmy angels
would be the only ones I'd feel relatively comfortable with. Good luck.>
Your help would be very appreciated.
<You're welcome.  James (Salty Dog)>
Best regards,
João Monteiro

Angel Compatibility    7/1/06
I'm about to click and order a juvenile French angel and a Flame Angel. Saltwaterfish (btw, any opinion on this vendor?)
<As for the vendor, I suggest you place this question in our forum under "Local/Internet Fish Stores".  Go here.  http://wetwebfotos.com/talk/>
has a rather stern warning about placing more than one angel in a tank.  I have read extensively about the topic on your site, and it seems to me that
combining a Pomacanthus and a Centropyge will not present a problem.
They are a completely different genus, shape, size, and color.  They even come from different oceans so they have likely never seen one another.
I ask you, the real experts, will these two fish get along?
<Believe the warning is based on two or more Pomacanthus angels.  The Flame angel and French should get along fine providing living space and hideouts aren't going to be
an issue.  James (Salty Dog)>

Mixing Genicanthus Angels  6/21/06
Hi Guys,
<Hello.>
I recently had a pair of Watanabei Angels die due to a power outage of 12+ hours.
<Ooh, very sorry to hear that...especially with Genicanthus being my favorite genus of fish.>
Since then I have added a female Genicanthus melanospilos.  My question is how compatible are these angels?
<With what?. Other species each other?...Need to be a little more specific>
Can I still get either a single female Watanabei or another pair or is it likely that they will fight with my current Melanospilos.
<I would not mix species of Genicanthus, especially in home aquaria, which I am guessing is 180 gallons or less?>
When I got my Watanabei pair at the LFS, they were in the tank with the female Melanospilos (same one I bought) and didn't seam to fight, but I understand that the LFS not an ideal environment.
<Bingo.>
If it matters, I only like to get them small, my Melanospilos is only 3" (head - tail).
<Choose one species or the other, not both.>
Thanks,
<Good luck.>
Craig
<Adam J.>

Info's about big Mac and Asfur   6/12/06
Dear WetWebMedia, first of all i
<I>
want to thank you guys for the help giving me to solve the problem of my imperator. Now everything is solved!
I have a Maculosus in my tank (around 600 ltr)
<Will need more room>
and i was wondering if it could be possible to purchase an Asfur too.
<I would not mix these congeners in this sized system>
I know it might seems weird, but i really love the little Arusetta!
<These are gorgeous, intelligent marine Angels... but not compatible in any but huge systems>
I've heard that the fishes from Red Sea area are downright friendly, surely less problematical than other specimens.
<More so of the same species than elsewhere in their range in general... but not all by far>
My question is: Can i purchase the Arusetta and store it together with the Mac without a massacre or a fish-carnage?
Thank you very much!
Best greetings
Luke
<Again, I would not do this. These animals don't associate in the wild... in fact, they are rarely seen "paired" with their own species. Bob Fenner>

Losing angelfish only  - 06/07/06
Hi Bob and Crew,
<O & R>
                        Thanks again for all the help you and the crew provide. Much appreciated! I've e-mailed before and you guys and gals were very helpful. I always try to find the answers to my problems first, before I take up your time. This time I've had a little trouble so thought I would drop a line. My problem has been with keeping queen and French angels. Both juvenile and adults. I have a 135g
<Not large enough...>
with powder blue tang, 2 perculas, black cap, bi color blenny, and mandarin goby. Have 150lbs live rock, Dual Bak Pak skimmer, and emperor 400. Aquarium is about 1 year running. Water parameters have always been excellent. All at 0. PH 8.2. Have 30g quarantine tank in place and use it wisely. I have not had any problems with my fish except for 2 queen angels and 2 French angels. Which I've read are very hardy and disease resistant.
<Generally so>
None of them have died right away, seems to be a couple of months down the road. No signs of disease other than minor lymphocytes here and there.
<This is telling... a large stress component>
One day they start breathing heavy or labored and then die a day or so later. I've read in your book about size range for each and all of them would be what you would call acceptable range. 4-5 inches.
<In this small sized system, better to start with even smaller specimens... down to 2-3 overall inches>
I do have corals in my tank as well and don't know if these are possibilities.
<Are as well... material coming off/from these could be malaffecting these fishes>
I recently pulled my bubble tip and Sebae anemones out thinking my angels may have come into contact with them and died from that.
<A possibility>
Is that a possibility that even a larger angel can die from an anemone sting.
<Yes>
Corals in my tank currently are torch coral (which my clowns hosted after losing their bubble tip), flowerpot, branching hammer, and frogspawn. Could any of these been the cause or am I missing something.
<Not able to tell from here/this>
All my other fish have not shown any signs of problems to date. After the fourth or fifth queen and French I'm quite frustrated. I feed them Nori seaweed red and green, formula one, angel food containing sponge (which they didn't take to very well) and mysis. A good variety I thought. Any advice would be much welcomed. Thank you again for taking time out of your busy schedule.                                                         Sincerely,                                                                       Royce
<I would look to a smaller Pacific, Indian Ocean pomacanthid species here. Wait till you have a tropical West Atlantic biotopic effort to try one of these Caribbean angels. Bob Fenner>

More Than One Angel- A Long Term View ... Scotter's go  - 06/06/2006
I have a juvenile Queen Angel about 2 inches (been in the tank a week)  in a 150 gal tank. no other Angels...would it be safe to add another Angel of larger size, like a Personifer or Asfur, or  would it be better to add a Flame or another Dwarf Angel? Only thing that worries about adding a Dwarf Angel now is it would be relatively the same size as the queen... any other recommendations if you disagree with this?
Thank you,
Alan
<Well, Alan- your approach is okay if you are planning on having more than one Angel. Always try to utilize Angels from different genera. However, you really need to think of the "end game" here: Your Queen Angel can and will hit close to 18" as an adult, and it will need a tank of 200-300 gallons or more (and 8' in length) to accommodate it for anything approaching its natural life span (may be up to 15-20 years!). Adding another Angel into the mix is potentially problematic in the long run, unless you'll have housing for both of them. If anything, try the Centropyge (Flame) Angel, as it is significantly smaller, and will generally mix okay with the Queen, provided the fish is added while the Queen is still a juvenile. Again, I caution you to think about the long term, and how much room these fish truly require. To live in even a 150 gallon tank for the rest of its life would be like you spending the rest of your life in your living room...possible, but miserable. These guys need lots of space to move around in, and they can be territorial in even large tanks. Unless you've got a much bigger tank in the future, I'd stick with one Angel. Best of luck! Regards, Scott F.>

Marine angels comp. RMF's annotated response...  - 06/06/2006
I have a juvenile queen about 2 inches (been in the tank a week)  in a 150 gal tank.. no other angels... would it be safe to add another angel of larger size like a Personifer or asfur or  would it be better to add a flame or another dwarf angel... only thing that worries about adding a dwarf angel now is it would be relatively the same size as the queen... any other recommendations if you disagree with this?
Thank you,
Alan
<The Queen itself will outgrow this sized system... and before this dominate, become the alpha specimen... I would not consider permanently adding another large angelfish species, and only a smaller one temporarily. Bob Fenner>
|
Chocolate Chip Angel Cookies - 04/02/2006
Hello, I have a question.
<Ok.>
My brother has a Chocolate Chip starfish and an angel fish that don't seem to be getting along. The angel fish is nipping at his starfish.
<Mmm...tasty.>
Is he just being mean or is the angel fish not getting enough to eat?
<Hmm...can't say if its getting enough to eat, but likely wouldn't matter anyway, probably just has starfish on the menu. I would separate these.>
The tank is about a 40 gal. Thanks
<Welcome. - Josh>

SW Angels/Selection   3/28/06  
James,  Jeromy> Thanks for the help......one more question......Any cool looking angel fish you would recommend that are reef safe and hardy.
<None I know of that are reef safe.  James (Salty Dog)>   
Thanks again,
Jeromy

Angel fish problems ... systems, comp. - 03/12/2006
Dear WWM Crew,
I'm having problems with my reef tank and would greatly appreciate your experience and guidance.
By way of background I have an Aqua One AR-850 (about 50 gal), which I set up 11 months ago.  Unfortunately, I didn't discover your site until after I purchased my tank and equipment.
The tank has 3 filters:
(1)     Built-in AR-850 top filter with sponges, porcelain tubes and wool.
(2)     Aqua One CF-1200 canister filter with:
a.       Level 1/top - bio balls;
b.       Level 2/middle - Porcelain tubes; and
c.       Level 3/bottom - 2 sponges.
<These last I would likely remove>
(3)     Small submerged UV filter with built in air pump.
I have a reasonable quantity of live rock and corals, large anemone, large clam, etc.  Until yesterday, the resident fish were:
*         2 Ocellaris Clownfish;
*         1 Royal Dottyback;
*         1 Yellow Tang;
*         2 dwarf Angelfish (Coral Beauty and Singapore Angel); and
<... inappropriate for this size system>
*         1 Pacific Blue Tang.
<Ditto ultimately>
The fish entered the tank in the order shown above, with the Blue Tang entering last, about 3 weeks ago - it's doing well.  The 2 Angelfish went into the tank in December (received as a gift).  Although possibly not that suitable for a reef tank, both angelfish had settled in and appeared to be doing well.  
<Not for long...>
Yesterday, I noticed the Coral Beauty was missing and the Singapore Angel (normally an active grazer) was hiding away - it had a very pinched stomach but otherwise looked healthy and didn't appear to be gasping.  The Singapore Angel passed away today.
<...>
I have tested ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, phosphate and KH.  All appear fine, except the nitrate is high (40mg/litre),
<Yes>
although it has always tested at that level since the tank stabilized and the algae/invertebrate don't appear
to be affected - also, I understand nitrate kits tend to give exaggerated readings.
<Not likely... and you want to reduce this>
I normally do a 15 to 20% water change each fortnight.  The past few months, I have been collecting water from the ocean (which is possible a bit polluted - I don't know).  I assumed it was better for the fish that prepared water.
I'm at a loss as to why both Angels died so abruptly when they seemed to be doing so well.  Perhaps my tank and filter set up is not good enough for angel fish - what do you think?
<Not "the right" environment for these pomacanthids... and not together>
Also, I am concerned that the other fish might start to die and I would like to feel I have done everything I could to prevent that from happening.
<I as well>
Your thoughts/comments would be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards,
Cameron
<Mmm, what to say? Where to start? Do read re Nitrates on WWM, remove those sponges... consider other means of improving water quality... and please read re Quarantine, the Systems, Compatibility of future purchases ahead of their acquisition. Bob Fenner>

Marine Compatibility, Stocking (Mixing multiple Tangs and Angels)   1/22/06
I have a 125 gallon fish only tank with a scribbled angel, majestic Foxface, gold spotted Foxface, red sea Desjardin tang, convict tang , Tomini tang, Pakistan butterfly, radiant wrasse, velvet wrasse, coral beauty angel and a few green Chromis.
<Lots of fish…too many fish.>
Total inches of fish is around 32".  I would like to add another angel.  
<I wouldn’t.>
I love the personifers, Asfurs, emperors (juvenile). What would you recommend?
<Neither, tank is already crowded and the angels will likely fight.>
I can remove some fish if you think it will be too crowded.   
<Even if you remove fish, the angels will not be compatible in a tank of this size.>
Have about 175 pounds live rock.
Thanks
<Welcome.>
Alan Kravitz
<Adam J.>

Zoanthus/Angels  12/16/05
Hi Crew, <Hello Steven>
Quick question:  I read on Mr. Fenner's article regarding Zoanthus that most living creatures give this species wide berth with the exception of a particular snail.  I bought a couple of rocks containing Zoanthus polyps on them in hope of adding some color to my FOWLR aquarium.  When I put the Zoanthids in the main display I saw my Chrysurus angel take a few "nips" off of the polyps.  The polyps closed immediately when they were nipped by the angel and every now and then I see him taking a nip.   In the article by Mr. Fenner he mentioned the toxic nature of the Zoanthus
being the reason they are given their space, so my question has two parts. First:  will my prize angel get sick or poisoned?  Second:  will my newly purchased Zoanthids become a treat for my angel fish?  <Angels are not to be trusted with corals, etc.  Your new zos will more than likely be a treat.  As far as poisoning, I wouldn't worry about that, very unlikely that your angel will become sick.  I've seen Korans plucking the tips off anemones with no ill effects to the fish.  James (Salty Dog)>
Your comments are greatly appreciated. <Thank you>
Best Regards,
Steven

Cleaner Shrimp Cocktails 12-05-05
Hello,
<Hi>
I am having a small problem and thought you might have an idea on how i might fix this.
<I hope I can.>
Presently I have a six foot long 180 gal marine tank. I am using it as a angel tank. I have approx 100# of live rock on a live sand bed about 4 inches deep. I have always had cleaner shrimp in my tank as a biological deterrent. I have a sub adult French (mid change) and a juv (2-3inch) passer. Well I found my cleaner was missing and figured that it died and was cleaned up by the snails and hermits. 
I went to put another in and as soon as I did it was eaten by the French. I tried again placing him in as I fed the angels from the other side but as soon as the food was gone they grabbed the shrimp as soon as it was out of the rock enough. I have had a emperor angel on order from my LFS for about six months now and we finally found one that was just the right size and healthy and eating, and some of the most beautiful patterns on it (it's also just changed.) The new angel is in quarantine and will remain for at least 4 weeks.
<Glad to hear you say that.
The LFS will hold bigger angels in a quarantine tank they have, if specially ordered.
<That is nice of them, but make sure that tank is on its own water line and that they are not adding new fish to the tank. All of those issues would make it so your fish was never truly QT'd.>
How do I get shrimp back in my tank.
<Remove the offending fish.>
As long as I have had cleaners I never had a problem with ich etc, plus my angels looked a lot better and would go get cleaned every day. I've used the gobies but they never even tried to clean. Any ideas?
<Gobies are very hit and miss. I have not heard of any that live long term either.>
I really like using the shrimp, natural way, but know that as soon as the new angel goes in there will be stress and I don't want to have a problem to get out of hand if it pops up. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
<Make sure the fish is properly QT'd and if you need the shrimp then the angel has to go.>
Is the 180 enough for the French and emperor?
<Sure.>
I will be putting the passer in my 100 gal I have.
<Good Luck, Travis>

Coral trouble, Possible Angel Predation, and Their Little "i's"  12/10/05
Hi,
<Hello.>
I'm new to this hobby,
<No worries, we all were once.>
I only had my tank with live rocks but now I want most kinds of corals.
<Most kinds of corals, that would require a VERY large tank, best to limit yourself to a few species in this water volume.>
I have a 26g tank with I think it is a Starburst Polyp I got a few days ago, and I know that they take at least a week for them to come out of hiding,
<Mmm, sometimes, though in ideal conditions I have had them open up for me within hours...this being after a 36 hour trip from the collection point.>
but I see that most of its body is light red, and it has a spot or two that is darker red, I think it may be that is dying or it has a disease.
<If these are star polyps we are talking about, its quite common for them have many color variations, its also common for algae to grow on top of them. Having said that they appreciate a spot with ample water flow to keep detritus and algae from settling on them.>
But then again I think it is because of my Angelfish, I saw it nibble on it a couple of times.
<Sounds like the culprit the coral will not extend and live with a fish using it as a food source, it will eventually die if this is the case.>
Do you guys have any idea what it can be?
<My guess is the angel, hard to say more since you did not list water parameters.>
I will really be thankful with your answers. And is a 65 watts good enough for a 26g tank?
<It is good enough for a wide array of many easy to keep photosynthetic animals, I would stay away from "shallow water"/light demanding critters, Adam J.>

Large Marine Angels in the Reef Tank (Uh Oh!  I'm Tellin' Mom!)  11/30/3005
Hello Robert,
<Actually Adam J filling in this morning.>
I have a question that I have seen answered several ways and really respect your opinion so I will ask it again. I have a 180 gallon soft coral reef that I am going to break down and move to another part of the house. I will be keeping my pair of true Percs and a pair of blue green Chromis and the rest of my fish and the soft corals will be given away to friends and other good homes. I will be upgrading the lighting (adding two 400 watt 20K MH to my three existing 175 10K MH and PC actinics),
<That’s a lot of heat be sure to keep it ventilated well.>
bigger skimmer (with ozone), and going to an automated RO/DI top off system. I will also be adding a calcium reactor and a 55 gallon refugium to my existing 40 gallon sump (powered by an Iwaki 70 RLT) and will be adding two Tunze powerheads to the tank to ramp up the flow.
<Those all sound like very worthy upgrades.>
This system will be a SPS only reef and the only other invert will be a long tentacle anemone (besides my clean up crew and cleaner shrimps).
<Honestly anemones are best left out of tank will sessile inverts, unless you already have it I would reconsider.>
<<Also, it is not unknown for Pomacanthids to eat anemones.  Marina>>
I want to add a large angel to this tank and am considering three species. My first choice is the Chaetodontoplus meredithi or Queensland yellowtail. I really like this fish and would love to get a pair but realize this may not be possible. My second choice is the flagfin angel, Apolemichthys trimaculatus.
<This second choice is notorious for succumbing to poor chipping and not adapting to captivity in general.>
the other angel I am considering is the majestic, Pomacanthus navarchus.
<This is often a very difficult but “do-able” species care wise.>
Do you think any of these three angels might be a good choice for an SPS reef?
<I have personally seen the last in a reef tank but have not observed the first two. One of these choices can work but it is still a risk. Though recent first hand reports (me talking to other people) have seen this arrangement (large angels in SPS reefs) growing in popularity and working out. The coral itself goes ignored most of the times, though Tridacnid clams (which are commonly kept with SPS) are another story….these angels love to nip at their mantels. While continuing your research in the above specimens I would also look into Genicanthus angels, they are planktivores and in my experience most are good reef citizens.>
I have gotten mostly favorable responses but would really like to know what you think. Also what do you think of my choice of equipment for this tank, am I missing anything?
<You mentioned big skimmer but I didn’t see a brand….I can help you out with that if you would like.>
Thank you for your time and consideration. -Mike Hahn
<You are welcome, Adam J.> 

Re: Large Angels in the SPS Reef Tank  12/2/05
Thanks for the prompt answer Adam!
<No trouble.>
As far as the heat issues I live in the mountains and heat has never been a problem and with the new setup both the sump and refugium will now be on the other side of a wall and in a garage which can get quite cool.
<Glad to hear you are on top of it, I suspected as much.>
I was actually more worried about these getting too cold in the winter (summers don't get really hot up here either) but all my lighting is in a well ventilated hood so I guess I will have to see if a chiller may be needed with those 400 watters in the summer. 
<Yes monitor carefully. Stability is the key with temperature.>
I don't have an anemone at this time but was considering the LTA, Macrodactyla doreensis, due to its habit of staying in the sandbed and not wandering (at least my other one never did). I'm assuming the reason is the anemone stinging the SPS?
<Yes and it (the anemone) being picked on by the angel.>
If I keep it away from the corals do you still think this will be a problem?
<Well I’m still not a fan of keeping anemones with sessile inverts. But that’s not to say it can’t be done. Have seen this mixture before….have done it myself regrettably.>
I never had a problem with the LTA and any of my softies.  I know about flagfin's doing poorly but I have heard the ones from the Maldives or Fiji often do much better and I will pay a premium price for livestock if it means a specimen has a greater chance to live and thrive (especially a hard to keep fish like a flagfin),
<Well finding a good source, *such as The Marine Center) will increase your chances but still be aware of the odds so to speak.>
I have just never heard how they might do in an SPS tank.
<As mentioned in the previous email, it’s still a risk but one that’s growing in popularity so success stories are increasing, though I’m willing to bet there's a few horror stories out there as well.>
I don't plan on keeping clams, LPS, zoo's or any of the other corals that angels have a real hard time laying off of,
<Okay sounds good.>
this tank will be SPS only. Another fish I have considered but forgot to mention is the scribbled angel, any thoughts?
<You do like pricey fish don’t you! Beautiful fish though I can see why you would want one. I have never had any personal experience with this specimen. Though the few people I know of who have say that the adults adapt poorly and that juveniles in the two to three inch range are your best bet. (This is true about many fish in general though) See here for some more detailed explanation: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/chaetodonoplus/faqs.htm  and here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/chaetodonoplus/index.htm .>
I am running a smaller Euroreef skimmer now and am happy with it's performance but to be perfectly honest I have been less than thrilled with the reliability of this unit and EuroReef's customer service has been horrible, to make a long story short I got jerked around when I tried to buy a replacement pump for this skimmer and I never got a satisfactory reason
why. 
<<Wow, an incredible difference from the experiences of many, if not most, others who have dealt with Euro-Reef.  Marina>>
What do you think of the ASM G series skimmers?
<I use one and love it.>
Specifically the GX-4 model?
<That’s what I have, well the GX-3, same thing just a bit smaller.>
Thanks again for your time Adam. -Mike Hahn
<I enjoy helping Mike, you are welcome. Adam J.> 

Big time fighting (with English?), and Large Angels That Bark!  11/20/05
Hi I got a problem that happened over night... I have a queen angel about 10inchs and (have had) her for five years... And six months ago I put in a emperor angel also 10 inches and they both got along great until today 6 months later the emperor is chases the queen and making barking noise and the queen is getting really stressed.
<I'll bet>
I love them both and they are in great shape.. They are in a 500 gallon tank with a fox face and a lion fish.... They have the best equipment and care. I don't want to loose
<Or lose>
them any help or suggestions would be great.. I hope this ends and is for today only.. I shut the lights off for the day.... Help please
Jimmy.. I'm a big fan of the site... Thanks
--jamgabby
<Need to separate these fishes, pronto. Bob Fenner> 

Blue-in-the Face Angel - Which is Which, and Can We Be Friends?  11/18/05
Hello,
<<Hello.>>
I've been reading through your web site regarding angelfish. 
<<I hope it's been informative and educational.>>
They are beautiful fish. 
<<They are indeed.>>
I currently have a blue face angel in a 90 Gallon reef system. 
<<Ok.>>
Can I put an emperor or a queen angel in the same tank with the Blue Face? 
<<Nope.>>
Will they get along? 
<<Nope. This is not addressing the fact that the Blue-face is about the largest fish one could safely put in a system this size, these other angels get larger, are much more aggressive, will put your system in the "GROSSLY OVERSTOCKED!" category.>>
Also, are they reef safe? 
<<Most often, no. I know there are some who've had good luck with Pomacanthids in reef systems, but these were incredibly large systems. Thousands of gallons, not tens of gallons.>>
I purchased the blue face from the LFS which had it in a reef system for over two months.
<<If you want to risk it, I cannot tell you don't, but I can tell you your system is full up with the angel you have.>> 
Thanks, Brent
<<I would expect one angel to try to beat the heck out of the other, whoever thinks they'll win will continue trying till the death or removal of the other ensues, in my experience. Again, this does not address the fact that your system is simply far too small (I think it's pretty tight for the fish you have in there, honestly, I wouldn't try it in anything smaller than 180 gallons, and you're doing it in half that volume).>>
<<P.S. It would be helpful to know EXACTLY what species you're talking about - there are two species from different genuses (?) that are commonly called "blue face". Pomacanthus navarchus is what I think of, but there is also Pomacanthus xanthometopon (on fishbase called "yellowface" even though its face is primarily blue). There's a 10cm difference in size of these fishes, and slight personality differences (though neither could really be called "shy" or "non-territorial"). In short, I would not attempt to add another angel, simply because this size system won't allow it. Marina>>

Blue-in-the Face Angel - Which is Which?  11/19/05
Hello and thanks for the quick response. 
<<You're very welcome.>>
When you say my system is full up with the blue face angel that I have, does that mean I can't put any other fish in the aquarium with it? 
<<Not knowing other specifics about your system, I cannot say that with any real certainty. I would not put in any other large fishes assuming you don't have an exceedingly large sump and/or refugium (something that might double total water volume. Swimming space is to be considered as well, as these fishes are territorial and aggressive with ANY perceived threat). For instance, I would probably avoid large tangs - poop machines that place large demands on the system, need scads of room to swim, and can be a bit of a crap shoot when it comes to sharing a small space with another large animal. However, lots of neon or clown gobies, smaller species of pseudochromids, a few of the smaller cardinal fishes, etc. would be more appropriate - especially the neon gobies given their occasional propensity for cleaning duties (again, this is without really knowing anything else about your set-up).>>
The exact species that I'm talking about is Euxiphipops xanthometopon.
<<Ah, fishbase's "yellow-face" angel, then.. the larger of the two species if I recollect. Gorgeous fish, and hopefully it won't decimate corals (LPS would be my biggest concern) or overtax the system.>>
Thanks, Brent
<<Again, most welcome. Marina>> 

Anemone Systems, Mixing Angels - 10/24/05
I currently have a 75 gallon f/o with live rock. I am considering upgrading the lighting system to two 150 watt halides and putting a bubble or Ritteri anemone or both anemones in the tank.
<Well you would only be able to choose one as two anemones of different species in the same system will fight both physically and chemically. In this choice I would choose the Bubble (E. quadricolor) as the Ritteri has a dismal survival record.>
The current fish are a yellow tang, a hippo tang, 
<Two tangs will be too much for this tank long term.> 
a xanthurus angel, a flame angel, and a Fourline wrasse. I also have a Potter's angel in quarantine tank for about one month and doing well , I would like to put him in this tank when I change it over , the flame will probably be taken out to avoid any conflict with the Potter's. The flame is two years old and very established. 
<Centropyge potteri is another fish that has a very poor survival record be sure it is healthy and eating well before addition to the display, and yes you will have to remove the flame.> 
Do you see any problems with the change over?
<Not with your current stock, but be sure to research anemones before purchase, they are quite sensitive animals.>
I would like to put host clownfish in this tank 
<Keep in mind there is no guarantee that the clown will take to the anemone, and also keep in mind clowns have been known to host in things other than anemones such as Sinularia and Sarcophyton Leathers.> 
Thanks Ron.
<You are welcome Adam J.> 

Mixing my favorite angels  10/19/05
Hi there
I visited your site for the first time and it's one of the best informative
sites on the web for fish.   I plan to get a 220 gal tank next month and
would like to put in several Angels. I primarily like the Pomacanthus and
Holacanthus genera.  I would love to get a French and a Queen Angel.
Someone even mentioned getting a third might be better for avoiding
problems.  If compatible , should I get them the same size ?  Should they be
mixed as in Juveniles and adults ?  I different sizes is recommended , which
one should be the larger fish ? French or Queen?  Thanks <In a 220 you shouldn't have much problem.  I'd get them all the same size if it were me.  Read here also, Peter.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/    James (Salty Dog)>
Peter
I know mixing certain angels is risky but I absolutely love these fish and want no others in the tank.   
thanks <You're welcome>

Maculosus angel reef safe 8/9/05
Hello, <Hi Rob, MacL here with you today.>
Simple question for you - Is a tank-raised maculosus angel less likely to eat corals than a wild caught specimen?  I have a couple of brain corals, star polyps, lots of mushrooms, zoanthids, two different leathers
and various inverts.  I am moving the corals into a separate tank but not for a couple of months.  I have the opportunity to get a tank-raised maculosus angel now.  How bad would he be in my reef for a couple of months?  I have raised an emperor angel in this reef tank and he barely touched anything, he recently died after 4 1/2 years and I would like to try again with a different species. <I did this myself with a tank raised maculosus and the only thing I had problems with were sponges and tunicates. He just chowed down on them. I think with most corals you would be fine.>
Thanks for the advice and as always - love the website.
Rob Mancabelli

Regal Angel, Reef Safe? 8/7/05
In your opinion, is the Regal Angel a reef safe fish ??? I have 2 different opinions. one says it is reef safe provided that it is well fed and the other is that it is not safe in a reef setting.
I have 150 gal, SPS tank with a few clams. Thank you, Ramy Banoub.
<Hi Ramy - Ali here. As with any angel, the chance of finding a totally "reefsafe" specimen is always hit and miss. It is impossible to say for sure whether your angel will go around systematically picking at your treasured "reef" animals or if he will act as a perfect 'angel'. From personal experience, I have had two Red Sea specimens: one which never looked twice at a coral and another which continuously picked at fleshy LPS corals and decimated the snail population. It is also not uncommon for them to suddenly change their behavior and acquire a taste for corals seemingly out of the blue. Additionally, this is also NOT an easy fish to keep. During the past year, from what I have seen at the wholesalers and retailers alike here in Southern California, is that not only is this fish is arriving with more frequency, but fortunately they appear to be more vibrant, alert and with full bellies. Perhaps better collection and shipping methods. Even with this said, I would only recommend this fish if you are an experienced reef/fishkeeper with a large aquarium with plenty of established live rock, who is able to locate a Red Sea/Indian Ocean specimen, under 3" that is eating prepared foods in advance. - Ali>

Asfur and Annularis Angel
Hi,
I have a blue ringed angel around 4 inches and still in juvenile colours. He has been in my tank ( 350 Gallons) for 10 months. I have 2 Red Sea Asfur angels to choose from. One is the same size as my blue ringed and the other an inch or 2 bigger. They are both in adult coloration. Will these fish get on and if so, which sized one will I buy?
Many Thanks,
James.
>>>Hello James,
Always mix sizes and color patterns when mixing angels. Get the larger Asfur and you SHOULD be fine. I've kept angel communities in the past with some success, but you never know with angels. The best advice I can give you here is to quarantine the new arrival for 6 weeks or so, and move the live rock around in your main tank before introducing the new angel. This will break up the resident angel's territory and put them both on more or less the same ground.
Good luck
Jim<<< 

Pomacanthus navarchus Angel Compatibility
Hey. Well, I guess this question has been asked several times, but with the fact that idea that a different angel has been in the place of this one. So, here's the question. I have a 120g aquarium that has been running for a while and never been stocked. I have a 30g anemone tank that I was planning on emptying into this. The anemone tank has a green tip E. quadricolor (7" across), a rose bubble (10" across), purple haddoni carpet (16" across. I've had this one for 2 years and it looks just as good as it did at day one.. I hear carpets don't do well in captivity).. 
<They don't. 2 years is but a mere fraction compared to 200+ in the wild.>
As far as the fish, there are a pair of gold stripe maroons, pair of pink skunks, royal Gramma, 4-line wrasse. I was reading on the P. navarchus and I saw that it in some cases can be kept in a reef tank, with SPS but not LPS.. I know that angels are generally unpredictable, but I really would like to have one...
<Everyone would like a Blue Girdled Angel>
...and I can't seem to find anything regarding this fish with anemones...
<Anemones won't fare too well with this family of fish. The anemones will eventually be picked to death.> 
... but at the same time my clowns are really protective with their anemones, but not aggressive outside of them. They only bother fish who come within a couple inches or so, and even then it's not in the sense that they nip fins, but more so that they just get really close and kind of "push" the fish without biting at it. Does this make sense?
<Yes> 
Anyways.. I would like to know if the P. navarchus has any history of attacking bubble tips or carpets.
<Yes> 
Any info would be greatly appreciated. So in the end the extra bonus question is what corals would you definitely NOT put this fish with? 
<I would not trust them with any corals. When the angels are juveniles they're not quite so bad, but as the grow they get worse in that regard. I also think your 120 is too new a set up to put an angel in. James (Salty Dog)>

Large Angelfish Compatibility
Sat, 19 Feb 2005
Greetings. I just purchased a 400 gallon acrylic aquarium, with the works, it's my dream tank:). I have gone from 30, to 55, to 125, to 200 and now the big boy:). I have a 4" queen angel fish quarantined as a new purchase in my 30 gallon hospital tank. I will introduce him into the new tank in a month or so once it is cycled. I want to add a 4" passer angel fish to the new tank as well, simultaneously. Will this be acceptable, or is there any other large angle that will work better with the queen? I appreciate your input, and enjoy reading your many informative posts. Thanks in advance. <Paul, you indeed have a dream tank.  Your tank is large enough that no aggressive behavior should take place.  Putting them in together is right way to go, they both start off with the same amount of marbles.  Good luck with the dream system.  James (Salty Dog)>
Paul

Reef safe angel
Hi Crew, <Hi Greg, MacL here with you today.>
Hopefully you can clear-up an angel fish question for me…  I have always read that angel fish (except for some Centropyge) are notorious coral nippers but I have recently noticed what appears to be a Regal Angel (Pygoplites diacanthus) in reef aquariums in Eric Borneman’s book on aquarium corals. <Nice fish aren't they? BUT sadly I wouldn't call a regal reef safe, the reality is that angel fish are all over the reef because that is where they feed.> Is Pygoplites diacanthus generally considered reef-safe? <Nope.>
Do you have an recommendations for attractive reef-safe angels, not of the Centropyge genus?  I had to remove my Centropyge argi due to it nipping my Lobophyllia. <I have heard that swallowtails are relatively reef safe, please note the word relatively. I currently have a Maculosus angel in my reef but let me stress this, as he has aged he has become less and less reef safe. It truly depends on what you keep in your reef and your individual fish. As a general rule the Genicanthus Angelfishes as a whole are considered fairly reef safe but they are also considered fairly delicate.>
I would also like to keep a copper banded butterfly in my reef tank but, from reading the many postings on WetWebMedia, I still cannot draw a conclusion regarding whether or not these are reef-safe.  The answer always seems to be “That depends upon your definition of reef-safe”.  <That is because some fish work just great and others are just terrors in the tank.>By  “reef-safe”. I mean is a copper banded butterfly likely to cause stress or
shorten the life of soft, SPS or LPS corals or of a bubble tip anemone (and possibly snails and cleaner shrimp). <They might very well eat the anemone. Its been known to happen.> What is you opinion or experience?
One other problem could be the several tangs and the maroon clown pair in my tank.  Is a copper band butterfly likely to co-exist well with such fish in a 180g aquarium? <Usually that isn't a problem.>
Lastly, I would like to add a few Heniochus if I could just locate any that are reef-safe <I loved my Heniochus.>(if I cannot add a copper band B/F). I can only locate Heniochus acuminatus but I have read that only Heniochus diphreutes is reef-safe.  Could you suggest where I might find Heniochus diphreutes (unless you disagree that H. acuminatus is not reef-safe)? <You can try www.themarinecenter.com, but I have never had any problems with any Heniochus. Once again though, its really individual fish.>
Thank you, in advance, for the “butterfly brush-up”!  <You might take a look at Scott Michaels latest book on angel fish for more detail and please let me know what you decide. I could talk angel fish for days and days, they are truly amazing and gorgeous, glorious fish. Good luck Greg, MacL>
--Greg

Re: Chrysurus angel... in a reef?
hello there crew!
I had a quick question about the goldtail angel (Pomacanthus Chrysurus). Now I know no angel is "reef safe" but I have to ask...Can a Chrysurus be kept in conjunction with reef tank inhabitants?
I know that some angels can get along in a reef such as majestics and imperators. I mean I've seen it done before and was wondering if you think a Chrysurus could fit into the somewhat reef safe angel category. The tank will have mostly SPS corals with a very healthy fauna. It's a 70g tall tank (I know waaay to small for this fish but will be upgraded to the likes of a 180-300g system by the time it grows out of its juvenile phase) with a 20g sump and 20-50g refugium. All I'm asking is "can it be done" if I take the right precautions (quarantine, healthy eating individual, small initial size, etc.)?
Thanks for the help and quick response :)
Chris AKA Fishtank
hey bob do you think you could give me the specs on Leng's tank?  I'm willing to bet he was using an ecosystem filter system, but were there any other key aspects in that tank?
<Mmm, best to cc Leng here. Have done so. The specimen/s I saw in his tank... it was about five by five by two feet overall... had a BUNCH of soft and stony corals in it. Leng? Bob Fenner>

Lionfish Compatibility
<Hi, MikeD here>
I have a five foot long, one hundred gallon, fish-only tank.  It is home to a six inch Volitans Lion and an eight inch Snowflake Eel.  These two have gotten  along fine except occasionally at feeding time when all hell has broken loose.<Using a feeding stick or a long pair of tongs will prevent this if you "target feed" the eel in the LR.>
  I recently added a three and a half inch Red Sea Angel which has adapted to my aquarium very well.  My only concern is that the Lionfish has made several unsuccessful attempts to make the Angel lunch.<I strongly suspect that he's merely attempting to drive it away from him, rather than making it "lunch".>  Just prior to adding the Angel I fed the Lion an ample amount indicated by his bloated stomach, yet once the Angel was in he went right after him.  Now I understand the Lion has a rather large mouth but after much discussion with my local fish guy we both concluded that the tall body would likely prevent the Angel from becoming an
expensive snack.  Now either we are mistaken or the Lion is just not too fond of his new roommate and imposing his dominance.  Any thoughts on this matter would be greatly appreciated.<I suspect that you are correct in your assumptions, although territoriality is likely not the primary reason Many juvenile angels have body shapes similar to damselfish, notorious fin-nippers that are high on the Lion's list of fish to be kept at a distance.  In addition, some angels serve as cleaners while young, which would tend to re-enforce the lionfish's keeping it at fin's length out of self preservation.>

Nervous Red Sea Mac Angel
Hi Everyone
          Firstly I gotta say you guys are the absolute best and I browse the site all the time, I need your advice though, yesterday after much thought I purchased my last fish for my 125 gallon FOWLR, A gorgeous red sea maculosus Angel, he or she is approx 5 inches long and in perfect condition, after doing a freshwater dip, I slowly acclimatized him and released him into the tank, only trouble is my 7 inch Lunare seems to intimidate my Angel, Max the lunare never bites the angel but just corrals the angel into a corner, after reading that Macs are hearty eaters I tried feeding with clam, squid, cockle even octopus and also tried to feed Julian Sprung's "sea veggies", My Mac shows interest but as soon as he starts to swim towards the food Max the Lunare swims past him slowly fins flared and my Mac hides, he seems to be picking a little at the food but I really don't think its enough imp worried that he will not eat and I am unsure of what exactly to do, this Angel was very expensive £150, and I'm concerned for his welfare, the only other inhabitant is a 12 inch snowflake moray who is completely docile and well behaved, what can I do?
<just let things play out...that angelfish will soon become the king of you aquarium. Don't worry>
Is this normal?<yes> Or do I need to remove my Lunare, Please help , I feel like an anxious parent!
Thank you Wet Web Media Crew you're the best :-)
<keep the lunare in there with the angelfish...they will be fine, IanB>

Something to share
I have kept a blue faced, majestic, and six striped angels in a 155 gal aquarium for over two years I just thought I would share this with you.   Thanks   Rob
<Congratulations. I do hope for your/their continuing good health and happiness. Bob Fenner>

Regal Angelfish and Majestic Angelfish
Dear Mr. Bob Fenner
<Shahzad>
Can a Regal Angelfish and a Majestic Angelfish be kept together in a 125 gallon tank?  The Majestic will be a Juv. and  the Regal will be a "small";  both will be about 1.5" to 3" or so.  Please let me know what you think.
Thank you for your time!
Shahzad
<Mmm, not very long or very well... best to keep large Pacific (and Indo-Pacific) marine angel species one to a tank... unless the system is several hundreds of gallons plus. Bob Fenner>

Can I have two angelfish in a 120 gal?
Good evening WW. Crew,
<< Blundell here this morning. >>
I have a question about angelfish compatibility.  I have a 120G long FOWLR tank with a Tomato Clown, False Eye
puffer, Purple Tang, Heniochus chrysostomus and a 4" Flag Fin Angel.  I am wanting to know if I can add a Navarchus
Angel.  My feeling is that the tank is too small for the 2 angels but I thought I would get an expert opinion.  << I actually think you are okay.  My main concern is that I would make sure you have 150 pounds of live rock in that tank.  I think the physical tank size is large enough, but they need to make homes and feel safe. >> My flag fin is not a shy fish by any means.  He sparred with the purple tang for a few days and now the 2 fish get along.  If you do not think the 2 angels will get along then what about adding a dwarf angel or another tang such as a powder blue or a blue hippo tang. << I actually think all those fish are fine, in terms of tank size.  They aren't the easiest fish to keep, and I would probably go with the angel. >>  Thanks, Larry.
<<  Blundell  >>

Two large marine angels may be too much 8/2/04
First of all I just want to thank you for providing such a great time consuming site with such useful information.
<Thank you. We try> 
My question is, Can you house 2 large angels in a 240 gallon fish only tank?
<Not usually. If you were to try, 
my suggestion would be to ad two small ones at the same time and as unlike as possible> 
In my current stages of setting up
<New Tank? MY suggestion is to hold off until the tank has been up and running for a full year before adding angels.> 
I have an Arothron reticularis puffer, yellow Hawaiian tang, 2 Percs, zebra moray and a flame hawkfish. I am interested in adding 2 or more of these large angels to my tank, either the Maculosus angel, Chrysurus angel, passer angel, queen angel, Annularis angel, imperator angel or Koran angel. Which do you recommend if it is possible that wont cause havoc with my current fish or the other fish I plan to add which is a white cheek tang, or blue unicorn tang, and the tear drop butterfly or the saddleback butterfly. Keeping all of this in mind which angels would be best coexisting in my tank?
<Type is relatively unimportant, although the smaller species would seem most logical> Thanks

Marine Angels 8/2/04
<Hi, MikeD here>
I have a beautiful pair of Bellus angels, they are fat and happy....  I have many other fish  in a 150 gallon reef.
4 squampipinnis Anthias
2 squarebox Anthias
1 purple pseudo
3 green Chromis
1 firefish
mandarin
2 clowns in host
2 Scott's wrasse (male and female)
pair of Bellus
Can I add a Watanabei?
<I wouldn't the new addition is likely to promote an all out war>  
Would the Bellus and Watanabei get along, do I have to many fish?<Sounds good as is>  I have had most of my fish 8 years, I believe in regular water changes and am a stickler for clean water and happy critters.  I feed only frozen quality food and most things thrive once added that is why I try to ask as many people as I can before a purchase.<Sometimes wise>
Any help is greatly appreciated.
<Good luck>

Friends For An Angel
Dear Scott,
<Hello again!>
I went to the LFS on Friday and finally bought an angel. There were a few different varieties there but the most striking was a Grey Poma. I didn't really plan on buying this fish but they look so much better in "person" than all the photos I've seen and it showed so much more personality than the other dwarf angels on offer.
<I love this species! It doesn't get too large, generally feeds well, and has fabulous colors (although not as flashy as some other species>
It is about 4.5 inches long, very healthy-looking with bright colours. It was feeding in the shop and it has been
pecking the live rock and happily snapping up whatever food I put in the tank (I have offered Nutrafin Spirulina flake and marine diet as well as chopped prawns and a tiny bit of Banana) as well as destroying a small native featherstars.
<That's gonna happen with this angel!>
She is still a bit shy but is slowly starting to come out of the rockwork and swim around the tank.
<Really a great choice. I'm sure that you'll love her!>
I also bought ten "boxing shrimp", they were 10 for $4 and the guy there said they would be good for eating leftover food. They are between 2 and 3 inches long, transparent, light brown with burgundy spots with elongated pincers. They readily consume any uneaten food and do not appear to hassle the angel or each other. I will be getting a pair of gold-banded maroon clowns next week
but apart from them I am not sure what other fish would make suitable inhabitants. I assume the Poma will fight with other angels so what about some type of butterfly or wrasse?
<I really like Halichoeres species wrasses, myself. Check 'em out!>
The guy suggested a Bicolour Parrot but those fish grow to 90cm.
<Yep...Really not a good long-term choice for most captive systems, IMO!>
Do you have any other suggestions for fish that will cohabitate with as well as compliment these fish?
<Well, there are literally hundreds of possible choices. I really encourage you to check out some of the many neat smaller wrasses, some of the more peaceful Dottybacks, blennies, gobies, and many, many others! How was that for unhelpful!>
Thanks again for all your advice Yours Sincerely
Adam Harbeck
<My pleasure, Adam! I love your Angel choice! Have fun looking into the many other possibilities for companions for the angel! Good luck! Regards, Scott F>

Friend For His Angel?
Hello Scott,
<Hi there!>
Thank you again for your helpful replies. Well the Poma and the clowns have not shown any sign of ich reinfestation since I started medicating.
<A good sign!>
However, I have dismantled my other tank (20 gallon )  and set it up as a permanent quarantine/hospital tank, and this meant transferring my unidentified (Chrysiptera?) damsel into the 6 foot tank.
<You know- it is not necessary to leave a quarantine tank up and running on a permanent basis- just keep a sponge filter or other media in the display tank, ready to go at all times, add some water from the display tank, and there you go...>
I did a big water change and gravel-wash before I introduced him and he was fine on the first day but the next day he had developed ich (the others were unaffected). I have started treating the tank again  (the hospital tank is not yet up to scratch) and all the spots have gone. I am not going to add anymore fish for at least three weeks so that hopefully the ich does not re-establish itself.
< A wise decision>
I do not think I would be able to get a cleaner goby as my dealer mostly sells Indo-Pacific and Red Sea varieties as Caribbean
stuff is VERY expensive.
<Just as well. Although cleaners can help, they are not a sure cure for parasitic infestations>
I will probably get a pair or banded coral shrimp, I've had them before and they look nice and they might do some occasional
fish cleaning. My  family thinks that I need a blue fish of some type in there as the rest blend into the rockwork from a distance. I like the regal tangs but they would get too large for my tank and I don't think I would take the risk when it comes to ich, I think a Bicolour Angel would be more suitable but is it different enough in colouration to not fight with the Poma?
<Well, you can usually keep a Centropyge with other genera of angels, but the Centropyge is usually added first. It will be an interesting dynamic-one that you will have to watch very carefully, so that you can intervene if required>
I have read nearly all the FAQ's on Bicolours and the major
problem seems to be getting them to feed.
<In most cases, this is the problem. Careful selection of your specimen, and knowledge of its area of collection can help assure greater success. Hopefully, you'll be able to support the "home team" and get an Australian specimen, which, in my opinion, are of the best quality and are almost always properly collected and handled!>
If I made sure to get one that was feeding and then isolate it for 4 or more weeks in quarantine would it make a suitable,  colourful addition to my tank? As always, your advice is
greatly appreciated. Yours Sincerely
Adam Harbeck
<Well, Adam- as I mentioned before, it is certainly possible to mix this fish with the Poma in a sufficiently large tank. However, fish, like people, are individuals, and you never know how they are going to respond. It's just going to be one of those things where you'll have to roll the dice, so to speak. If your tank is large enough, and you have enough rockwork to break up territories, it may be workable. Id put the odds at about 60/40 in favor of it working...Just know what you may be getting into with this combination, and work out an "escape plan" should it become necessary to remove the Bicolor. Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>

Are Shark Eyes a Tasty Angel Treat? (5/26/04)
Hello Crew <Steve Allen with you tonight.>, I recently purchased a Queen Angel and a Banded Cat Shark, both were in the same tank and the shark actually hatched in the tank with the Queen Angel. After I purchased them I noticed that the Queen Angel would try to nip at the Sharks eyes. I called the original owner and he said he had never seen this behavior before therefore I gave it some time, but now after a week I still see the same behavior, every time the shark is out and about the angel will slowly go up to it and then try to pick on his eyes which causes the shark to dart underneath a rock. <Very bad. If he gets them, your shark is a goner.>
The Angel is 4" and the shark is about 10", they are currently in a 180 gallon tank until my 240 comes back from the shop. There are 4 tangs in the tank but they don't bother the shark at all. I'm afraid that the angel will end up eating his eyes therefore I've put him in my 92 gallon tank. <Yes, smart move.>
Is it normal for Angels to do this or do you think the Angel will get over picking at the Shark and what fish would you recommend I keep with a banded cat shark? <Ah, just what is normal really? Sure it's normal. They pick at things that look edible. Most carnivorous animals eat eyes. Have you noticed that the first thing to go on a dead fish is its eyes? In fact, this behavior by large angels toward aquarium sharks is well-known. You should buy "Aquarium Sharks & Rays" by Scott W. Michael. There's a whole chapter about tankmates, including a warning about Queen & other large Angels.>
I'm planning on putting a Golden Moray Eel with the Shark, do you think there will be problems? <Morays usually make good tankmates. Buy the book. No shark owner should be without it.> 
Thanks. <You're welcome. I hope this helps.> 

Goldflake and Flame Angel Compatibility? 4/5/04
Hi guys !
<howdy!>
Anthony....can't wait to see you in Boston.  I will be participating in your coral propagation workshop and hope to learn some good tips and secrets !
<excellent my friend :) >
My Question:  I have a 300 gallon reef tank that is currently doing extremely well.  I want to add a Goldflake Angel but I currently have a Flame angel in the tank.  Are these two angels compatible, keeping in mind the size of my tank ?
<they will quite possibly do fine together... different sizes, feeding preferences, colors, etc. But only try if you have a stable isolation tank to pull one to if needed>
Do you recommend against adding the Goldflake ?
<its not an especially hardy angel. There are much better choices, although aggressive <G>>
Thanks, Chuck Spyropulos. MACNA Boston !!!!!
<sweet. And we can swill some beers and chat about the fascist banning of some good people from various message boards <G>> Anthony>

Half Moon Angel with Cnidarians?
Hello,
Are there any corals and anemones I can put in my tank that my half moon angel wont eat! I saw a saltwater show tank at (the Sony store) witch had a 5 inch half moon angel and Mushrooms on the live rock together. All of my fish are reef safe in my tank but my angle. I did now this when I got him and I have NO regrets. thank you so much....
<Small, flat corals will be your best chance- such as mushrooms.  Mushrooms also have amazing regenerative properties, so a bite here and there may not prove lethal.  Bottom line is keep these corals cheap!  They may be breakfast.  Ryan>

Angels In A Reef?
Hey guys
<Hi there! Scott F. your guy tonight!>
I am sorry to keep bugging you guys but I don't have access to any other experts!  And you guys are great!!!!
<Well, we are hobbyists just like you are- but we are glad to be here for you!>
I have an Imperator that has spots on him they look like little dots of lost pigmentation. It doesn't look like a parasite but loss of pigmentation.  He is very active and eats like a pig and is the dominant one in the tank for sure. I have seen this in many imperators that lived for years but what is it?  I have treated the tank lately with Coppersafe, Maracyn, and am currently treating the tank for a fungus (little   white tufts on the tails and fins) with Maroxy.
<Quite a "cocktail" of medications in there. In the future, I'd treat with one medication at a time, and only in a dedicated treatment tank or container for maximum control>
The infected fish are getting better. The imperator never showed any signs of the fungus but does have these spots!!!
<Well, without photos, all I can do is guess, but I have a feeling that what you might be observing is Head and Lateral Line Erosion (HLLE), which is not a "disease: in the true sense, but possibly a response to less than optimal environmental conditions or diet. Theories abound on the cause and "cure" of this malady, and it often goes into a spontaneous "remission" on its own. However, the real "cure" seems to be high quality water conditions and an excellent, varied diet of both plant an animal matter. Other, more exotic theories point towards things like chemical imbalances and even stray voltage in the water. In the end, no fish has ever been hurt by good food and clean water, so why not work on that?>
Also I am stocking My 80 gal reef and am wondering if you can put Pygmy Angels in a reef?  Will a fish like a Bicolor or Coral Beauty bother the coral or polyps or worms?
<Well- that's the million dollar question in reef-keeping! There are simply no guarantees. Almost any Centropyge angel can begin picking at and/or eating coral polyps and worms. A lot of people (myself included) feel that the Coral Beauty is the "safest" bet in a reef system- I have had one for years and it has never picked on anything- yet! However, just because it is leaving things alone today does not mean that next month, or even tomorrow, the fish won't see your reef as his or her own personal banquet! In the end, I do not recommend keeping Pygmy Angels in a reef system, unless you are willing to accept some possible coral losses. I am a fish geek first, and a coral nerd second, and have access to a lot of replacement coral frags if I need them, so I can accept that risk. You'll have to make the decision as to whether or not it's worth it for yourself!>
What other family of fish besides the obvious ones would be good in a reef like a lion? Looking forward to your help on these questions. Thank you. Kirt
<Well, Kirt, I am a big fan of many of the smaller wrasses, such as the Halichoeres, Cirrhilabrus, and others. They are extremely colorful, interesting, stay relatively small, and have no interest in your corals! If your tank were larger, you could consider a Genicanthus species of angelfish, as they are planktivores, and will generally not bother corals, either. Lots of other possibilities of "reef compatible" fishes. Just search through the WWM site on various families, and you'll find lots of information. Have fun researching! Regards, Scott F>

Fish combinations (multiple angels) 2/24/04
Hello: I am starting a 120 gallon tank and would like to house a Flame Angel, Emperor Angel, Lemonpeel Dwarf Angel, and various damselfish (all juveniles).  Do you think this combination will work initially in a 120 gallon tank?  <A 120 gallon is big enough for these fish, but it would be a volatile mix.  Dwarf angels are generally intolerant of each other.  The emperor will quickly outgrow them both and could become quite aggressive toward them.>
If so, for how long?  <I really discourage making stocking combinations that are predetermined to be temporary.  Often minor aggression is overlooked or removal of animals is delayed to the detriment of the fish.  If you make wiser choices up front, the answer to the question "how long?" should be many, many years.>
If not, could you suggest an alternative combination of angelfish that could be housed together with some damselfish in a 120 gallon tank?  <Damsels can actually be beneficial since they act as "dither fish".  They are a distraction from other animals that may be the target of aggression.  I would limit stocking to one dwarf with the emperor.  If you have other specific choices in mind, you can research them here at wetwebmedia.com or ask the crew.>
I really appreciate any suggestions you can offer. <Glad to. Hope this was beneficial.  Adam>
Best regards, Anthony

Devil in Angel's Clothing?  (Pomacanthus Angel in Reef Tank)
Hi Bob.....or Scott
<You got me, Scott F.>
Its been a long time, but I need you guys big time.  
<Well, I'll do my best to help you out!)
No one else can give me an answer that I'm happy with.  
<Everyone has their own opinion, huh?  Keep in mind, my answer may not be what you want to hear, either.>
I'm considering a 4" to 5" P. chrysurus angel as my "alpha" fish in my 180 gallon.
<A very elegant fish, however, they do get pretty large and require a lot of space...>
I have almost all SPS, clams, Ricordea, some rare zoos, as well.
<And...you're actually thinking about putting this angel in your tank?  Oh man, I don't think that's a good idea.>
I'm really concerned about the clams, 13 of them.  Lots of bucks invested, but I have always wanted a P. chrysurus angel.
<Well, this species, like many large angels, will certainly sample your SPS, clams, and Ricordea.  It does vary from individual to individual, but I would have to say that attempting to keep this fish in a reef tank would be an ill-fated exercise.>
Have you guys ever kept this fish with clams?
<Honestly, I wouldn't even consider it.>
I know each fish is different, but if you guys can help, that would be great.  I set up the aquarium 2 years ago, and thanks to your advice, my tank rules.  You guys rule.  Is it going to be a $1,500.00 bowl of clam chowder, or what?  Thanks a million!  Scott
<Well Scott, I think this is an excuse to get another aquarium, dude!  How about a 500 gallon FOWLR for this fish?  Now, that would be something!  You could trade all your clams and corals for the tank.  hah!hah!  Seriously, I would pass on this species.  Have you ever considered a Genicanthus species?  They have no interest in invertebrates and clams.  Just a thought....Regards, Scott F.>

Compatibility of a juvenile emperor angel and an Indian yellow-tail angel
I would like to ask about the compatibility of a juvenile emperor angel(2.5") and a 6"  Indian yellow-tail angel.  The yellow-tail angel has been the "king" of the tank and I wonder if I can add a 2.5" emperor angel to the tank of 180 gallons.
<Best not to mix to species of angelfish, good luck, IanB>

P. imperator in Reef tank 1/26/04
HI guys......got a question for ya.....currently I have a reef tank with an imperator angel in it (a deadly but awesome combination of course)<Not necessarily.  I have the same and have had next to no problems (it has only bothered zoanthids), although mine is still a juvi.>
and I am  wondering what kind of corals you would recommend to keep with him that he will leave alone.  Currently I have a couple of small leather corals, assorted small mushroom rocks and a star polyp rock.  I am going to rule out SPS altogether assuming these will be picked at, along with most LPS corals as well.
<Actually, I would consider SPS to be the safest.  Zoanthids and Xeniids are probably pretty risky as are non-aggressive LPS like Trachyphyllia, Lobophyllia, Blastomussa.  Aggressive LPS like Catalaphyllia and Euphyllia are probably moderate risk.  Most softies are probably 50/50.  The fish will look for the most meat with the least work and least sting.>
I want to keep the tank as stocked as possible without buying the imperator a 40 dollar meal.  I bought a flower pot coral today, but I am taking him back tomorrow..........I know, kick me in the butt, impulse buys are the worst, this beauty is better of where he belongs.....in the  ocean...........Thanks for the help.............Jonathan
<A good choice to return the Goniopora, not only for it's lack of suitability in captivity in general, but moderate risk with your emperor.  Best regards!  Adam>

Carpet Munching Angel
>Is it normal for my juvenile Koran angelfish fish to continually nip at my new (approx 1 week old) green carpet anemone?  
>>The angel isn't one week old, he's been in your system one week, yes?  (Oh, I do hope quarantine has been done first!).  Short answer, yes, it's normal.. well, not exactly normal, but not unusual.  Of course, I have honestly never kept a Koran with a carpet anemone.
>How is he doing this without getting stung?  
>>Not all fish are as susceptible to nematocysts as others, though those of a carpet do pack a punch!  I would either remove the anemone, or the angel.  Do expect the fish to continue until the anemone dies.
>He is nipping right at the tentacles.  My Percula clown will not go near the anemone yet.  Do I need to do anything to protect the anemone?    
Thanks, Brian F
>>You really can't, short of removing one or the other.  The clown WON'T go near the anemone if it's too small to have any hope of driving off the angel.  A tomato, maroon, or skunk clown pair, now they might have something different to say on the matter!  Marina

Angels in distress
<Hello! Ryan with you....Can you hear me now?  ;)>
I have a 75 gal. tank  with live rock and sand and recently got ick from a new fish that seemed ok, even after 2 weeks. <OK> I lost two angels, but my hippo tang and Sailfin tang are fine , along with the new angel. <Surprising, generally Surgeonfish are more inclined to contract ich> I want to get the other two angels back into my tank as soon as possible, so the new angel doesn't get too territorial. How will that affect my bio-load since all the fish were fine before this outbreak. <I'd need more info on your setup (biological, mechanical and chemical filtration regime) to give you good advice.>  Since it has been several weeks and the two fish are gone, does the bio-load adjust and putting in new fish is like they were never in there? <The beneficial bacteria you're speaking of diminish with the bio-load.  It's a fairly slow process, but the population is directly correlated to the food source.  This is relationship that you'll see in every body of water in the world!> Or does the bacteria (good) remain in the tank , even if a fish dies? <Yes, but not for long.  I would re-introduce the fish one at a time.  What truly worries me is the idea of three angels in a 75 gallon box of water.  Please read the FAQs concerning adult size of these fish.  In a 75 gallon aquarium, one specimen from a smaller angel would be appropriate.  Please be conscientious about re-stocking your tank!>
Thanks for the info,
           Cheryl

Adding a Queen? (1/4/2004)
Mr. Fenner: <Steve Allen tonight.>
Foremost, congrats on an awesome site. <Bob has certainly assembled a wonderful tool here.> I have never asked questions before, but constantly find myself reading different subjects here and have multiple links to this web site that I refer to frequently. Great
resource. <I have learned something from it everyday for quite a while.>
Now on to my question. I have a 360g tank with a 100g refugium and a 100g sump. <Sweet> The tank is 99% SPS dominated corals with multiple fish ranging from tangs to smaller fish like Firefish and such. <How many. Even this tank can get overstocked.> I have a
rather large batfish (Platax tiera) that has been a model citizen in terms of not picking at any corals, fish, or invertebrates. <So far, may nip later. A beautiful fish for a large tank. Hope it continues to thrive.>
I know someone that is tearing up his tank and I have the opportunity to inherit his 5.5" queen angel. He tells me he is very docile and does not bother any corals, but I want to know if this s a fish that I can trust to maintain such behavior as it matures. <No; also tends to get mean to other fish to.> Also, is he likely to get along well with my other inhabitants? Will he now or eventually pick on  invertebrates (have multiple types of shrimp)? <Tasty treats.> I read the information on the website, but it did not say anything about reef environments. <Most Angels cannot be truly trusted in reefs. Sounds like you have a wonderful set-up here. In your shoes, I would be careful not to upset the balance. You'll have an awful time trying to get that angel back out if it causes problems. Think carefully about this one.>
Thanks, Alberto Perez Dimaggio, MD <Hope this helps.>

- New Half Moon Angel -
Hello,
Wonderful forum!
I have a 210 gallon fish only tank. Stocked with 4 Clownfish, 1 Yellow Tank, 1 Starcki Damsel and assorted inverts. I just added a very healthy half Moon Angel. So far the angel has been picking on the Tang, nipping at her tail. Also had been picking at my Flame Scallop and basically has left the Starcki and the Clowns alone. <The flame scallop is a goner.> The Tang was the "boss" of the tank and has so far given in. Will this harassment likely continue? <No, it will likely even out in some time... the Angel needs to be the boss of the