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More FAQs about Lionfish Identification
Related Articles:
Lionfish &
Their Relatives, Keeping Lionfishes and
their Scorpaeniform Kin Part 1,
Part 2, by Anthony Calfo and Robert Fenner,
Dwarf Lionfishes,
Related FAQs: Lionfishes & their Relatives, Lions
2, Lions 3, Lions 4, Dwarf
Lionfishes, Lionfish
Selection, Lionfish Compatibility, Lionfish
Systems, Lionfish
Behavior, Lionfish Feeding, Lionfish
Disease, Lionfish Reproduction, Freshwater "Lionfishes",
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Lionfish Identification
Hi! I've been scanning the site for several months now
reading and learning
as much as I possibly can... I had what I thought was a
well planned out 38
gal FOWLR containing:
1 Tomato Clown
1 Yellow tail Damsel
(both I've had for approx 10 years)
Just added in the last 5 months:
Various hermit crabs, snails
Live Sand
Some live rock (don't know the poundage, but its not a lot)
1 banded cleaner shrimp/ 1 skunk cleaner shrimp
1 (recently split to two, unidentified Anemone probably BTA or
Condy??
<Likely the former>
Fish
store didn't have a clue, photo attached, it has pink tips
and kind of a
fluorescent green coloration up close).
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrates 25 (coming down with regular water changes)
Gravity 1.024
PH 8.4
Here's my problem...
I sent my fiancé to pick up a small coral beauty at the LFS that I
had
ordered and he came home with a rather small (approx 2")
unidentified lion. Fish
store lady said it might eat the shrimp when it gets bigger
<Will eat this... and the Damsels, including the Clown... perhaps
the Hermits even>
but should get
along well in my tank and that I would absolutely LOVE it!! Ahhh!!
my tanks not
big enough for all of this!
<No... it's not big enough for what you currently have>
But a bigger ones not an option for at least
another 6 months - 1 year. Needless to say the Coral Beauty died in
the
quarantine tank with ich but the lion seems to be quite healthy.
I've looked over all
of the lionfish pictures on WWM and cant seem to find this one...
He looks
like the volitans but seems to have "peacock eyes" on his fins
which I haven't
seen on the ones in the photos... Can you help me identify him/her?
<Is a Pterois volitans>
(photo
attached). Id like to know how big he's going to get
<About a foot long in this system if it lives for a few years>
and if I do go out and get
a tank especially for him how big should it be?
<Posted... at least eighty gallons>
I am hoping he's a dwarf of
some kind?
<Ah, no>
Also, the infamous pet store lady said she could not get him to eat
anything
but White Cloud feeder minnows.
<Interesting... wonder where they're getting these minnows in the
wild?>
She has tried but to no avail... I had much
success with getting our piranhas off of the feeders by feeding
them seafood
from the deli, large Hikari pellets, and nightcrawlers... What
should I start
with on this lion?
<Posted... start reading here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/lions&rels.htm
and the links till you engender enlightenment...>
Also, last but not least... I had planned on adding a chunk of live
rock to
my quarantine tank as it is set up at all times now... However,
I was told
that if I ever treated anything with Coppersafe that it would not
EVER come out
of the live rock and would be toxic to anemones etc. Is this true?
<To an extent yes... again, more to this than simple yes/no
responses... Read on WWM...>
Thanks for any information you have to offer!
Carrie
<Keep reading... and return these fishes. Bob Fenner> |
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Scorpionfish ID 6/6/05
Hello, I have found a picture of a fish on the internet and after seeing it (the
fish seem to be identical) in my local fish store I would like to know more, in
the LFS it has been sold as a scorpion fish. However the picture has been
labeled as a Richardsonichthys leucogaster or white-faced wasp fish. However
after looking at other pictures of white faced wasp fish I believe that the
picture has been misidentified/mislabeled. I will attach the picture and I was
hoping you could Identify it.
<From what I could find, I agree that this ID is doubtful, although it is some
kind of scorpionfish.>
It does display a pair of wrigglers that are not very apparent in the
picture. I would really like to know what kind of fish that it is. I thought
that perhaps it could possibly be a Parascorpaena aurita or a Bull rout
(Notesthes robusta). It is extremely similar to the picture involved but of a
lighter mottled colour. If you can't identify it, are there certain
characteristics that would clarify the species? I can get further pictures if
required. Thank you very much for your assistance. Rob. <An exact ID would be
difficult, but is probably not necessary. This fish is an ambush gulping
predator. As a general rule, these fish require species tanks or tank mates
that cannot be eaten, but are also fairly peaceful (a rare combo!) The inactive
habits of these fish make them uninteresting to most aquarists. Many of the
fishes in this group have venomous spines, and as such must be handled with
great care. If you do have an interest in keeping this fish, do read up on the
general requirements for the group and provide accordingly. Best Regards. AdamC.>
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Fish Identification Follow-up 05/07/2005
Hello, <SUP>
primarily thank you for your quick response to last query that concern a
scorpionfish identification from a mislabeled picture and found in LFS. I am
not sure but I think I found the species by mistake, the species appears to be a
scorpionfish mimic/false scorpionfish (Centrogenys vaigiens). I just thought
you might want to know. As it took me ages to locate and identify.
<Excellent.. Thanks for the info.. EricS> |
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Lionfish taxonomy
Dear crew:
I have perused everything on this site that I can find, and Dr. Marini's
articles on reefkeeper.com, and I remain baffled, hoping you can shed some
light. I'm trying to identify a fish by species, and having difficulty. I am
sorry that I can't forward digital pictures, and am hoping that a gross physical
description might be a purposeful place to start.
<Not likely>
A local fish store has a variant of dwarf lion that seems not to fit with what I
can find in descriptions of species. When asked, employees could only report
that it had been taken in trade, and had been in the store for some
time. Anecdotally, one of them thought it might have originally come from
Florida, though that could just as easily have been the locus of the
collector/aquarist. When queried about the species, they generalized it to be a
fuzzy dwarf.
<There are many scorpaenoid fishes called "dwarf lions", not all are
pteroines...>
The critter in question most generally seems to be brachypterus, but not
quite. The pectoral fins have the characteristic shape reminiscent of the sail
on a Chinese junk, and are webbed almost to the end of the spines. Body shape
[about 4"], coloration, and fin profile are generally consistent, but there are
a few significant departures. It lacks the "moustache" protuberances at the
corners of the mouth, and has no noticeable "horns" above the eyes. There are
bumps of tissue along the lateral line, again consistent with brachypterus, but
most noticeably there are no "flags" of tissue at the ends of the dorsal spines
as both of my fuzzies have. Finally, while every fuzzy I have seen has blue
eyes, the eyes of this fish have a bright orange outer circle, with a center
that is a deep green/black [like a Tahitian black pearl].
My best guess is that it's actually a barberi. Can you suggest any definitive
characteristics that I can look for to identify it more definitively? Am I
overlooking the obvious, and can you tell me what I should have figured out on
my own?
<Mmm, you might peruse the linked references for these species, genera on
fishbase.org or make a trip to a large college library for a computer searched
bibliography... There is variation in the Brachypterus mentioned... color and
appendages-wise... Bob Fenner>
Looking forward to your suggestions,
Rick Walters
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Lionfish ID, health
This is a two part question. First off I have what I thought was a Volitans
Lion-fish in my 125 gal tank. Some friends have seen him and
think he looks more like a Russell's lion. What exactly is the difference other than size?
<Some meristics... please see fishbase.org re>
I've seen pics of both and he can be either. I will attach pics for you to see. Also, he has a major growth
on his fin that looks like a darkened swelling. You can see it slightly in the pic included. Is this lymphocystis?
<Mmm, doesn't appear so to me... likely a growth from a "bump"... hopefully will heal of its own accord. Bob Fenner> |
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A lionfish with and w/o antenna
I currently have a lionfish that has two prominent antenna. My friend has
one with no antenna. Supposedly they are both the same species. I would like to
know the difference. I was thinking one was male and the other female?? Or
different species?
<Good question. I have also seen sympatric (the same) species of lionfishes
underwater and in captivity who had "antennae" and not. Don't know the
definitive answer here, but I suspect that sometimes the ones "missing" these
structures have suffered physical trauma (have seen other fishes bite these
off!), and other times that there is genetic diversity at play. It's thought
that Lionfish species use their fantastic array of large pectoral, anterior
dorsal and "head appendages" mainly for prey-gathering... making a large,
confusing appearance as they charge small fishes and motile invertebrates as
food... The "antennae" seem like they would help here. Bob Fenner>
"Black" Lionfish (8/4/04)
Hi Bob, <Steve Allen with you today.>
There is a lion fish that is black, can You please confirm this for me, and tell
me if they are readily available, I have heard about them, but living in Tassie
we have very limited opportunities to purchase one of these. Would be very
grateful for any help.
Regards Sue-Ellen <I suspect you are referring to the "Black" volitans. This a
color morph of the species Pterois volitans. The stripes of this species range
in color from red to brown to black, but they are all the same species. Since
individual coloration is a factor of more than just genetics (diet plays a big
roll for instance), there is no guarantee that a black one you buy will stay
black. Many fish change shades over time.>
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Mystery Lionfish identification
Bob and crew,
<Howdy>
I think I have found a website that
identifies your mystery Lionfish daily background picture. It
is called the Blackfin Lionfish (Parapterois heterura). The
site says it's a rare species. The picture is from a different
angle but I believe it's the same specimen. The website is http://www.starfish.ch/reef/stonefish.html Hope
this will answer everyone's questions.
<Ah, looks like it. Thank you, Bob Fenner>
Jeremy - Pineville, LA |
Blackfin Lionfish (ID of "lion" on WWM
dailies)
You can also view http://www.starfish.ch/Fotos/lionfishblackfin.html
for a bit more information.
<Thank you! Bob Fenner>
Jeremy - Pineville, LA |
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Which Scorpaenidae it Be??
>Hi there guys.....
>>Hello.
>Yet another question that I'm hoping you and your staff will be able
to help me with. I'm not entirely sure if I have purchased a leaf fish or
a wasp fish.
>>What was it sold as?
>I will send a few photos, yet I can't seem to narrow it down.
>>Yes, you sent some seriously MASSIVE photos.. <giggle>, you
darn near blew out our limit! I've "grabbed" it and reduced it,
though. ;)
>To make the situation worse I just bought it, and I didn't know that
it was venomous, right?
>>Oh YES. But if you're ever stung, as long as you're not allergic
to insect stings the best thing to do is pee on it (no, I'm not kidding,
it really works.. oh my, do I have a STORY about a customer hitting a leaf
fish's tank!). In any event, both leaf and wasp fishes are indeed
venomous. This is what happens when you buy first and ask questions
later.
>It is?
>>I'm not lying.
>Either the leaf fish or the wasp fish?!
>>Either and BOTH, I swear it.
>I was hoping you could tell me if it was venomous or not and what
species it is to be exact, your time and help and insight of course, is
always more appreciated than you guys will ever know!
>>That all depends on who you ask, but for the most part, yeah? In
any event, it's definitely venomous, do handle with care. If you are AT
ALL allergic to stings be CERTAIN to have a "crash kit" handy.
Let's take a look through my mini-marine fish bible... Alright, because of
the HUGE variability in both coloration and external
"decoration" (protuberances, frills, etc.), it *could* be either
a leaf or wasp fish, however, based upon what I can make out of the mouth,
I feel it's likely a wasp fish (mouth is much smaller than leaf fish's,
not quite as down turned), however, I most certainly could be entirely
wrong. However, do know that you do have a venomous resident. Marina
>Thank you in advance. |
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