Triggerfish Growth Rate - 04/16/07
Hey Crew.
<<Hey "Drowning in Dover">>
I got myself into a bit of trouble this evening.
<<Ruh-roh>>
Thanks to Mother Nature and the Nor'easter we are currently experiencing my
build plans for a large trigger tank has been put on hold...probably
indefinitely.
<<Yeeikes! Not a flooding victim I hope...>>
A damaged basement is only part of the problem.
<<Mmm...doesn't sound pretty>>
The other part of the problem is that I currently have a juvenile (4") Queen
Trigger (B. vetula) enjoying a 72g bowfront holding tank...or what was supposed
to be a holding tank!
<<Indeed...though small now, this fish has the potential for getting LARGE>>
How fast do these fish grow?
<<Though variable, triggerfishes as a whole seem to be fairly slow growers>>
I took a leap of faith when I saw this fish appear in my LFS a few weeks
ago...the 365g tank she was supposed to go in was already underway...so I
thought my empty 72g bow would be a great temporary house.
<<I see>>
Any advice?
<<This size tank is not suitable for the long-term...as you seem aware of. And
though the fish could likely be housed in such for a time, I'm not a fan of
trying to "grow" large fishes in small environments as I believe this leads to
behavioral and health issues>>
If I need to give up the fish I will.
<<I guess that depends on what the future holds for you re a larger tank>>
I don't see any plans to get the larger tank going in the near future. It looks
like this tank is going to be the only tank I will have going for a long time.
<<Hmmm...then maybe the question of "what to do" has just been answered>>
If I do give her up, any suggestions for a suitable trigger for my 72g bow?
<<I'm a bit hesitant but...if this fish is going to be the "centerpiece" and
tankmates are kept small/to a minimum, I think you could try one of the smaller
Rhinecanthus species like R. verrucosus...maybe even R. assasi or R.
rectangulus. Do be sure to allow plenty of swimming space...>>
Thanks! "Drowning in Dover"
<<Sorry to hear of your misfortune. Regards, EricR>>
African Blue Spotted Triggerfish, comp. 3/26/07
Hi,
I have a compatibility question on a species of triggerfish which seems to just
be entering the trade in numbers recently.
<Yes>
The Trigger is Balistes punctatus. As a relative of the Queen trigger my initial
reaction is that it is likely far too aggressive for even a rough and tumble
fish only tank.
<Mmm, have never kept this animal... but the reports I've encountered (on the
Net) state its temperament as being mild...>
I have been assured by a couple of dealers however that they are quite mellow.
Do you have any experience with them?
<Unfortunately no>
If I were to take the plunge the trigger would be heading to a 300 gallon tank
with an Emperor Angel, Passer Angel, Harlequin Tusk, Polleni Grouper, and very
large Hippo Tang (who is now 16 years old!). The group in the tank get along now
in their own snippy ways and have been together for a couple of years. Thoughts?
<Mmm... don't know what to state... I don't like relating other than near
first-hand experience in such matters... I might try this species here...
starting with a (likely) small specimen of a few inches in length... keeping an
eye on it... Bob Fenner>
To Trigger or Not to Trigger 11/12/06
Hi, and thanks for the great website.
<Welcome>
I current have a 125 gallon saltwater tank that has been up and running for 6
months. Current residents are: 2 yellow tang (and they get along great), 2
clownies, 1 coral beauty, 1 Toby puffer, and 1 dog face puffer.
My LFS recently obtained a vampire trigger (queen trigger?).
<Balistes vetula?>
I am in love with this fish. Will this be a good addition to the
neighborhood?
<Uh, no>
I think I know the answer, but if I see it in writing will abide by your answer.
Thanks for the great info.
<Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/triggers/balistes/index.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Moving X-LARGE Queen Trigger 11/5/06
Hello!
<Hi there>
I am going to be moving our store's mascot tomorrow and would like your opinion
on some of the methods we are thinking of using. And, if you have any
recommendations, please give me some! :)
<Hotay!>
Our mascot is a 17 inch Queen Triggerfish. She is going to be moved into a 180
gallon tank - she's in a 55 gallon right now. The tank isn't even a full two
feet away from her current tank. We are going to move her tomorrow, and we will
be filmed for our local news station, so we want this to look good! :) She
will be fully acclimated by a drip method before the move happens.
As for the methods we have thought about...
1. "bucketing" her. This would involve scooping her up into a bucket and then
gently submersing the bucket into the 180.
<This is best... do watch your hands/fingers... and back while lifting>
2. "toweling" her. This would involve placing a wet bath towel into the tank
and scooping her up. Then clutching the top so that she cannot escape. Then
submersing the towel and the trigger into the new tank.
3. "bagging" her. This would involve taking a large plastic bag (12 x 20),
filling it with aquarium water from her current tank, and having that set
aside. Then take two other of the bags, make slits in the center of the bag,
and then scoop her up with that, placing that into the bag of water, and then
gently submersing her into the tank.
<Will likely chew right through most any thickness, multiple bags>
Unfortunately, this fish will not deal with a net, she is too strong, which is
why I am not going to "bag" her as most would do. Float the bag, etc.
If you have any recommendations for me, I would love to hear them! :)
Thanks so much!
Wendy Legeret
Wendy's Blue Lagoon
<A suitably large, semi-flexible bucket is best here. Good moving! Bob Fenner>
Queen Trigger, Trigger In/Comp. 8/8/06
Hello all,
I'm interested to know your thoughts on the following
scenarios. If it's
not too much of a problem).
My mum said that I would be able to get a 180 gallon tank, and I plan to
set it up with triggers. Would it be possible to house a queen trigger and an
undulated trigger together in this size tank?
<Possibly... but not likely... the Queen will be after the other, likely all
other fish livestock...>
Do these two fish grow at the same rate, and do they get to the same size as
adults?
<Good question... and no. The Queen grows much more quickly, gets much larger>
I currently have the undulated in a 55gallon (he's about 3 inches) and want to
move him to a bigger home, I haven't bought the queen yet. I have fallen in love
with the queen triggers, they are beautiful.
<I would not try a Balistes vetula with this fish>
If you don't think it's big enough what size tank would be suitable?
<Bedroom size... really. This TWA species has a large "territory">
They would be the only two inhabitants. If not these two triggers then what two
do you suggest I might have more luck with in this size environment??
<Perhaps a Rhinecanthus species>
I am open to any and all your suggestions, you guys truly are a great team to
ask advice of!!
Thanks for your time,
Jarryd
<Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/triggers/index.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Filtration for Queen Trigger 07/21/06
Hello!
< Howdy! >
I just love your site - great information and such a great service you offer!
< Bob and the crew do an excellent job! >
As for my question, I guess I really don't have one but more of asking your
opinion sort of thing.
< I have plenty of them! >
In my store, I have a 16" Queen Trigger who is going to be placed in a 180
gallon aquarium by herself.
< That sounds like a great idea! >
I am going to be building the stand out of cinder blocks and 2 x 4's for a few
reasons. First of all, my store is VERY SMALL. Not a whole lot of room - my
store is not even 800 square feet. The perimeter is full of tanks and the
middle is full of supplies and display tanks for sale - just wanted to give you
an idea of why I am placing here on cinder blocks! LOL
< Be very careful when stacking the blocks. The holes should be up/down, NOT
left/right! I am speaking from experience, having been peppered by the shrapnel
of one turned the wrong way! This may alter your shelving idea a little. Sorry
if it does. >
Anyway, I am planning on using the under section of her tank for other products
- the cinder's are going to be 5 high and staggered for placement of 2 x 4's for
shelves. The opinion I am looking for is this -
The tank is going to out in the open where she can be seen on all four
sides. Because of this, I am hesitant to add a sump, wet/dry, or canister
because of little ones, adults, and kids could possibly put something in the
system. Currently, she is in a 55 gallon on her own with 2 Penguin 350's, two
12" airstones that are hooked up to a 250 horse blower, and 2 large Chemi
pure. I am thinking about adding maybe an extra shelf for a canister and then
put a bio-wheel filter as an extra. What do you think?
< I like the idea of having the filtration inaccessible. Have you considered
internal filtration? If you have enough live rock, an internal canister filter
(whether manufactured or fabricated) may be more than adequate enough.
Investigate the pond section of this site for ideas on internal filters. >
Thanks so much!
Sincerely,
Wendy Legeret
Wendy's Blue Lagoon
Triggerfish Project - Using Fishbase 4.3.05
Hello. Thank you for reading my email.
<Hi, no problem! Ryan helping you today.>
I have a couple of questions about Queen Triggerfish:
1. What eats the Queen Triggerfish?
2. What is the Queen Triggerfish's life cycle?
3. About how long does the Queen Triggerfish live?
4. How is the Queen Triggerfish's reproduction?
<What kind of teacher just gives up the info? I'll make you a deal. I'll give you the
Latin name for the fish. With this, you can sound really smart AND you can look all this stuff up quickly. I'll even point you in the right direction.
Go here:
http://fishbase.org/search.cfm - Under scientific name, you need to use two names. The first, is the Genus. The second is the species. Here's the info for your fish:
Genus: Balistes
Species: vetula >>>
Thank you again. I hope that you can answer these important questions. I am doing a class project, and I need these questions answered.
<And now, you'll be able to find the answer. Keep up the good work. Ryan>
- Trigger Help -
I just put my queen trigger in yesterday and I fed him some gold fish and he
ate them pretty quickly after they went in his tank... <Would suggest you find a
different source of food... live food, feeders are a bad choice. Any meaty
seafood will do [squid, shrimp, etc.].> but today he's going crazy swimming
really fast one side of the tank to the other and he's not eating his food... he
swims really fast and sometime knocks the heater off the glass and the filters
too... and then he calms down... and then does it again... is he ok? <Yes, is
likely fine. Many fish, especially those new to captivity obsess over their
reflection in the surfaces of the tank... typically want to kill that fish on
the other side. Not a bad thing, but you may want to find another place for that
heater.
Cheers, J -- >
Sexing Queen Triggerfishes? 2/17/05
How can you determine the sex of a Queen Trigger? Thank You
<I'm not aware of any reliable dimorphism, although we can tell you that these fishes are not hermaphrodites. Perhaps do some searches in the academic archives at:
http://scholar.google.com/ kindly, Anthony>
Queen Trigger Question
Hi, I just bought a BEAUTIFUL queen trigger today.. and I have
it quarantined
at the moment, he's about 9 inches long, the guy at the store said he was
probably about 2 years old.... my question is what is the average Life-span for
one of these guys??
thank you
<Several years... have lived at least a decade in captivity.... MEAN though. Bob
Fenner>
Queen trigger
WWM
<Robert>
I have this beautiful Queen Trigger (Balistes vetula) which I purchased
at a LFS. I placed it in a 20 gal quarantine tank that has
live sand
and a small amount of live rock, to which it adapted rapidly. A
couple
of days after this purchase, I noticed some subtle off-white bumps
(that really look like little spikes, or raised scales) that are
definitely raised, about 0.5-1 mm. They are only noticeable when
looking at the fish from the head or tail ends. At first I just
observed for about two weeks, during which time the spots did not
increase in number or size. Also, whether related or not, the fish's
coloring is blotchy, not solid green with blue stripes as pictured in
The Conscientious Marine Aquarist, by Bob Fenner, on page 313. The
fish is active, a voracious eater and generally healthy. I have had
this fish in isolation over 2 months. I have tried fresh water dips
with Methylene blue, transferred to a treatment tank with copper for 3
weeks and, most recently, have even tried Maracyn-Two. To this day,
the spots/spikes persist with no change. It is difficult to tell if
the spots have always been in the same location. I have also
attempted
photographing the spots to send with this email, but did not get good
results. I am tempted to place this fish in my 300 gallon show tank
with the other fish but have this nagging feeling that there is still
something going on here that I don't understand.
<Perhaps... but...>
The fish remains in
the treatment tank for ~2 weeks of no treatment. I have place carbon
in the filter to clean up the water after the treatments. Again, no
change. This fish seems very healthy despite these
spots. Any
suggestion?
Thanks
Rob Peters
Palmer, Alaska
<The coloration difference may well be simply resultant from collection,
holding stress... or even just a color variation. The bumps I would not be
overly concerned re... they might be parasitic (maybe a type of worm), but very
unlikely to spread to other species of fishes. I would go ahead with your plans
of placing this specimen in your main system at this point. Bob Fenner>
Queen trigger in a 240
Hi,
<Hello!>
I have a 240 gallon FO system. I have 12" Sohal Tang and a 15''
maculosus angel. They are the only 2 fish in my system. I love queen triggers, I
know that they are the MOST aggressive fish in marine. If I buy a little one,
and let it grow to an full adult, will it still kill my 2 other fish??
<My friend...all fish are individuals. If the tank is lightly stocked with
lots of rocks and other things for cover, you should be alright. But no
guarantees. David Dowless>
Queen trigger question
I have a 100 gallon tank and am thinking about getting a small queen
trigger, I was wondering what I could keep with it. Any information would be
greatly appreciated. Samit
<<Hi Samit, These WWM links will tell you what you need to know.
Can you say "alpha", dominant, aggressive???
Go to: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/triggers/balistoides/
and start here for stocking questions: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/stocking1.htm
Hope this helps you, Craig>>
Re: That Balistes vetula in your face!
Bob,
Help me out here...my son Roberto has been bugging me for months to ask you
the circumstances of your Queen Trigger scar.
<It was back in Korea in '53... Actually off of Central America circa '73 with an old timey Nikonos rig and a rushing Queen that I tried to ward off with the point and shoot... I thought I had done so completely, but when caught my breath, the TWA balistid had nipped me but good on the wrist.>
I tried explaining that the story behind the scar is you wouldn't share the
last cold one in the waist cooler you wear while diving and the Trigger got
justifiably ticked off!
<Just wasn't looking/seeing what was going on... waded/floated into the "nest area" (no other sizable fishes present)... was "escorted out" hence. Bob F>
Worried about my Queen Trigger
Hello:
<Howdy>
I hope you may have heard or seen what my Queen Trigger is experiencing.
I've noticed for about 1 week some blotches on his body. These blotches are
not white and are not in any pattern. These blotches kind of look like
blisters (no color) and can only be seen in good light. There are no marks
or blotches on his fins. He is eating well and does not seem to have any
breathing problems. If this is a disease, I want to start treatment ASAP.
<Not a disease. Normal to stress-related markings>
I've become very attached to him. He is about 2-1/2 years old and in a 75
gallon tank by himself. I keep the water temp around 78-80 and salinity
around 1.023 or 024. I was wondering if you have ever heard of a trigger
fish shedding?
<Yes>
He is not itching on rocks. I've read books on diseases and
this does not seem to fit into any category. If you have any suggestions
or have ever seen this type of problem, please let me know so I can help him
ASAP. Thanks for any help.
Leigh
<I am a big fan of the balistids (intend/ed to work on their systematics for my doctorate)... and have always followed their husbandry and popular writing (have a scar from a Balistes vetula from years back in the Bahamas... anyhow, don't be overly-concerned here. All likely fine. This species does "shed" and does display the markings you so well note. Bob
Fenner>
Re: Grouper (actually Queen Trigger)
I had a 6" grouper and a 4" queen trigger really nasty. The grouper was not
eating the way a grouper eats and I thought it was because of the trigger.
When I got home in the evening the groupers fins were all gone and one side
of his body looked like someone scaled him. I knew he would not survive so I
put him in a pitcher to freeze and die peacefully. Could the queen trigger
have done this to him or was this some type of disease?
<Unfortunately this damage was very likely due to the Trigger. A very territorial species>
The night before he
was fine and every night I check my fish with a magnifying glass. Can a
disease attack a fish so rapidly? In the tank I also have a volitans lion and
a dog face puffer both are eating when the trigger allows them two.
<I encourage you to trade this Queen Trigger in. There are some "rapid onset" infectious diseases of fishes... but they would have been manifest on your other fishes... Bob Fenner>
Quick Question
Bob,
I have two quick questions for you the first is Under the Balistes section the West African Triggerfish is not listed. Is there a reason why? Second, do you know where I might be able to obtain some of the larger triggerfish that you don't commonly see, such as the
Blunthead, or Ocean Triggerfish.
Thanks for all the information.
Mike Striegel
<Good questions all... Of the four assured species of the genus Balistes (do you recognize B. capriscus here? Make that five), about all the trade sees is the Queen (B.
vetula)... and though I really enjoy this group all the way around (intended at one point to make their systematics my academic life's work), don't have much information or image work on many species that have little use/brush with the ornamental aquatics trade... Will gladly insert information if you can direct me to source... and even more gladly haul out, go diving with you and make images for insertion on the site!
For the odder, larger species about two approaches come to mind to secure specimens. Consort with your suppliers (as collectors are very susceptible to their requests... and triggers of all sizes are easily caught... where they can be found... mainly by barbless hook and line), and secondly, to travel to their ranges, and gather your own. See my note above re traveling with!!! Bob
Fenner, in sunny Southern California, but wishing he was in warm clear water elsewhere>