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Inappropriate Stocking 6/5/08 Thanks in advance for any
information you can give me. Your website is wonderful! This is the
first time I've posted so bare with me. <Ok> I have a 30g
tank, 23 lbs live rock, 30 lbs live sand, 8 snails, 12 crabs, two
tank raised Perculas (one obviously bigger than the other but are
still duking it out), <This never really stops> 1 chromis,
and 1 Hippo Tang. <This tank is by far too small for a
Hippo.> Water conditions are: temp 77, pH 8.2, ammonia 0,
nitrite 0, nitrate just below 5, spg 1.021. <Would slowly raise
the SPG to a more natural level.> I cycled my tank with live
rock for 4 weeks. Added crabs and snails at a little over 2 weeks
(sand and rocks were covered in brown algae). I then added 1
chromis at a little over 4 weeks. Added clowns and hippo tang 5
days after chromis. <Probably too much too fast.> Everybody
was fat, happy and eating Formula 1 flakes (this is what the LFS
told me to feed). This continued for about 3.5 weeks. Last Thursday
I noticed the tang rub on the rocks and saw what looked like a
couple bubbles on "her" but they went away. I didn't
see her do it again after that. This past Sunday she wouldn't
come out of her cave and wouldn't eat, Monday the same thing.
Tuesday she came out but stayed at the surface with her nose almost
sticking out of the water and breathing kind of heavy, still
wouldn't eat (see attached photo). Last night she would swim a
little but for the most part stayed at the surface. This morning at
the bottom, belly up with "bugged out" eyes. After
reading through your website for many hours I'm thinking it was
crypt/ich. <Is common for this species.> My question is: Do I
need to do anything to the tank/other fish? <Wait and see how
badly they are infected, be prepared to treat for ich in a hospital
tank.> I went by my LFS on Wednesday and was told
"that's crazy Dory for you. just keep an eye on her."
Called them back today and was told she must have been stressed.
Asked them what I needed to do at this point because I don't
want my other fish to die and was told "I don't know just
watch and see." My neighbor also had a tang from the same
store displaying the same symptoms died two days ago. <I would
think about finding another LFS.> I'm new to this and I have
a very upset 4 year old wanting to know where Dory is and why are
the two Nemo's fighting! (also attached a picture of the
clowns) Help! Meghan <Please see here for some ideas on what is
going on and where you may be heading.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/nemoproart.htm .> <Chris> |
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Life is not a cartoon show. RMF
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CNN.com - 'Releasing Nemo' may harm local fish species -
Jul 1, 2004 Saw this and thought the crew would be interested if
they you have not seen it already. <Thank you for this. Will post.
Bob Fenner> Title: CNN.com - 'Releasing Nemo' may harm local
fish species - Jul 1, 2004 CNN.com will expire this article on
07/15/2004. Copy and paste the following into your
Web browser to access the sent link:
http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1846706150&pt=Y
'Releasing Nemo' may harm local fish
species
Thursday, July 1, 2004 Posted: 9:36 AM EDT (1336
GMT)
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Marine species like these reef fish are
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LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Releasing pet
fish into the open seas could have a disastrous effect on
marine ecosystems and harm native species, scientists said
on Wednesday.
They have been spotting exotic species in waters far
from their natural habitats and suspect they have been
freed from aquariums.
"It's a 'Finding Nemo' story,"
marine biologist Brice Semmens, of the University of
Washington, Seattle, told New Scientist magazine.
In the blockbuster animated film Nemo, a clownfish,
strays from his home and ends up in a fish tank in a
dentist's office in Sydney, Australia while his
over-protective, timid father searches the oceans for
him.
"Individuals are releasing their pet fish with the
best of intentions, but in the wrong ocean. It is a really
bad idea," Semmens added.
Exotic fish from the Pacific and Indian oceans and the
Red Sea, including the predatory lionfish, varieties of
angel fish and tang have been sighted off the coast of
Florida.
If the fish breed and establish populations they could
endanger local species.
The lionfish, which has now been spotted in waters from
Florida to New York, is particularly worrying because it
preys on a variety of fish, shrimps and crabs, according to
the magazine.
"In the coming weeks the US National Oceanic &
Atmospheric Administration and representatives from the
aquarium industry will join forces to educate the public
about the dangers of dumping pet fish into the ocean,"
the magazine said.
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Finding Nemo
I am curious if any of you have seen
"Finding Nemo" or the game that is out? I have not
made it with the kids to the film but got the game and was
surprised by the content and issues it presents, generally in a
negative view.
The "Finding
Nemo" computer game, that apparently follows the
themes of the movie with clips, begins with the young
clownfish venturing too far from the reef near a boat only to
be caught by an ominous diver and taken away
screaming in his boat, eventually to end up in his tank.
The theme centers around his efforts to escape and his
fathers efforts to tract him down and save him and bring him
home.
The scene in the
aquarium, although pretty, brings up a number of
issues:
1) Bringing ocean parasites into the
tank without, of course, a quarantine period. They use a
cleaner shrimp to clean him up.
2) Presentation of some inhabitants
that are not all that compatible or hardy such as a
puffer and a Moorish Idol. They claim that they
won't hurt the new fish.
3) Efforts to clog the filter to
force the owner to take them out for
servicing, in an attempt to escape.
4) Plans to escape by getting to
the bay and swimming home.
5) Actually jumping from the
tank and going down a drain to get back to the
ocean (illegal dumping?) At least this myth, that
all drains go to the ocean, would possibly
prevent some kids from dropping pet
fish directly into bays to let them
go.
6) A little girl who is
supposed to get Nemo, the clownfish, for her
tank, who abuses the bagged fish by
shaking it around.
Another theme is that
"Fish are our friends, not food".
The clownfish goes to the extent of
helping food fish escape from a
fisherman's net. I am not sure if this is
more an animal rights or a vegetarian
issue.
Possibly it could at least be considered
positive for tank raised, but overall I
interpret it as anti-aquarium, especially
saltwater which is a pity as I thought it
might be a positive force when the trailers
first came out.
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Finding Nemo
hello Tom,
its always good to hear from you. i presume
you and the family are doing well ?
i have not seen the movie yet, but i was
aware of its production about 2 years ago. having this
inside tip i adjusted the key phrases on my web sites to
appeal to those who i expect would have gone to the
internet looking for information as a result of the
movie.
as expected my daily visitors has risen
about 20%. i also had a fellow the other day call me from
Boston after seeing the show and asked if there were any
freshwater fish that resembled the marine
clownfish.
aside from the negative implications
you mentioned it certainly appears as though whom ever
developed the story does have insight into the
realities and issues of the marine aquarium trade. its
unfortunate that the media, in its many forms, has far
greater influence than our hobby.
hopefully the retail side of the
hobby will not treat this sales and publicity
opportunity in a positive manner, and not allow
clownfish to go the way of carnival goldfish.
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all your hard work on this site...I and many others have certainly
benefited!!! A discussion on Reef Central concerning "Finding
Nemo" has been ongoing, generally about "the Nemo
effect" etc. I don't know your rules about
other forums etc, so that is why I have emailed directly instead of
posting in the forum. Marc Levenson has written a
wonderful, informative page to link to for those who want to buy
fish based on the movie. It's definitely an
interesting education meant to encourage people to find out more
before the bowl and clownfish stage. I thought I would
pass it along... Be well!!! Allison http://reefcentral.com/FindingNemo/
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<Hee hee! Good one Joe. Bob Fenner>
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Finding Nemo Hi Bob I am a journalist from The Times
newspaper who is doing a piece on the effect on pet stores, fishkeeping
etc that the movie Finding Nemo has, is or will be having. So I would
be very grateful if as a fish expert you could answer a few questions:
<Okay> Is Finding Nemo good for the hobby of fishkeeping on a
whole? <Yes (on the whole)... as the show and its bit of controversy
has stirred interest in the environment, the aquarium interest (it has
increased sales at retail pet-fish stores)> Do you think it will
have an adverse effect? <In the long/ish haul, not really. The vast
majority of people are intelligent, aware enough to understand that
"Nemo" is after all "a show"... Let me ask you,
does Disney's "Aladdin" movies lead you to believe there
will be "magic carpet" flight anytime soon? Me neither.>
If I was a first time buyer where would I go to buy one? <A
"real" LFS (Livestock Fish Store)... as opposed to a
less-discriminating petstore that "has some fish". A real LFS
will discourage "casual" attempts at marine aquarium
keeping... the endeavor does take time, money (a few hundred dollars
plus), and some considerable involvement... education, discernment as
to much and many differing techniques, technology. In other words,
there are a few "ways" to keep marines (even just
"Nemos") that one needs to sort through... can't be
practically done by children. Not successfully.> How hard is it to
get hold of them? <Very easy. Nowadays the Clownfish species in
question is bred in captivity in very good numbers and is actually a
sturdy aquarium item. Can be and is easily shipped from aquaculture
facilities (mainly in the U.S. and U.K.) all over the world> How
common are they in UK pet shops? <Likely one of the most common, if
not THE most common species and group (there are several species of
Clownfishes/Anemonefishes, a few of which are regularly aquacultured
and offered) in the marine aquarium interest. Easily in the top five of
marine aquarium fishes in the world> Are you aware of an upsurge in
demand in the last few months? <Oh yes> How much do clownfish
cost in the UK? <Three or four pounds I'd guess> Are you
aware of their prices going up? <No. A seemingly unusual historical
trend has been for marine livestock to decrease in cost over time
(decades), particularly aquacultured species... Strange, but so> Do
you think any pet shops or aquatic centres are trying to cash in, or
are they being extremely sensible about selling to parents with kids
who don't know how to keep fish., i.e. are they turning them away?
<Again, one hears of the occasional "bad" retail
experience where consumers are not dissuaded or even led astray... but
this is actually quite rare. There is no "upside" to trying
to fool would-be aquarists... if they're not informed, serviced and
sold properly, they will not "be successful". Their livestock
will surely suffer, likely die. Who does this serve? Not the trade or
the public> Can you breed them yourselves? <Yes. There are quite
a few current, many past "hobbyist" breeders who have bred,
reared "Nemo" and other Clownfish species> Where would a
UK clownfish originate from? <Likely from Tropical Marine Centre (
http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/), an
excellent facility in the U.K.> How many species are there?
<About twenty-six ( http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clownfis.htm)>
Please excuse the dumbness of some of these questions and feel free to
ignore any that repeat, but any help would be much appreciated. Thanks
Olav <A pleasure to help you. I am cc'ing TMC as I've
mentioned their name here, and a friend/cohort in the trade, Steve Pro,
who has penned statements re the effect of the "Nemo" show.
Cheers. Bob Fenner> The Newspaper Marketing
Agency: Opening Up Newspapers: www.nmauk.co.uk
Finding Nemo Hey Bob! How's it going? I wrote an article
I thought you might be interested in for WWM. I originally wrote it for
the local newspaper, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, but they decide it was
too long. Feel free to post to WWM. Sincerely, Steven Pro <Wow, good
job Steven. Very nice. Will definitely post (like right now!) and do
encourage you to send this to FAMA for their editorial or feature
publication (will send for you if you'd like, electronically).
Thank you for sending this along. Bob F>
FW: Caring for the fish of Finding Nemo Thanks a lot for
forwarding my article! It looks like things are going to work out.
-Steven Pro <Ah, good. Glad to be of assistance. Bob> Subject:
Caring for the fish of Finding Nemo Dear Steve: I'm going to
try and use this article ASAP in FAMA. Bob Fenner forwarded it to me,
and because of it's timeliness, I'm going to try to get it into
our Sept issue (out Mid-Aug.). Please e-mail me your complete mailing
address, phone #, and soc. sec. # for payment. Also, if you happen to
have a nice picture of a clownfish, it would add to the article. Please
get back to me as soon as possible. Thanks, Susan Steele Art
Editor/Assist. Editor FAMA
Tetra and the CBS fiasco Hi Everyone, PF writing in for a
change. I know we generally don't encourage cross posting between
bulletin boards, but I figured this was an issue that deserves all our
attention. On 6/14/03 @ 8:30 AM CBS ran a segment sponsored by Tetra
about keeping "tropical" fish. Here's a portion of a post
from Reefcentral's discussion from an eyewitness to this fiasco: On
June 14th CBS's The Early Show aired a brief segment
with Carol Huntley-Weber described as:
"With
the success of the Disney's summer blockbuster film, "Finding
Nemo," tropical fish are now finding themselves as the hot new
pet. Carol Huntley-Weber of Tetra Fish Products visited The Saturday
Early Show to show the ease of owning and maintaining an
aquarium."
During
the segment, Miss Weber, showed the world how "easy" it is to
setup and maintain an aquarium. To do this she used a 15 gallon Mini
Bowfront tank (from Tetra of course), tap water (made little or no
mention of mixing salt for marine animals) and proceeded to plop in two
Clownfish, a Blue Hippo Tang, two seahorses, and a brittle starfish
that she had in another bowl and basically said that is all there is to
it. The url for the discussion on ReefCentral is
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201848&perpage=25&highlight=Early%20show&pagenumber=1
and page 11 includes the email and snail mail addresses of those
involved at Tetra, as well as their superiors. Within the thread there
is also the address for CBS (who's email box is apparently full of
messages from angry reefers), currently there is a call on to boycott
Tetra for their irresponsible actions. Here is the contact info for
Tetra:
Tetra
3001
Commerce Street
Blacksburg,
VA 24060
Phone
Number: 800-526-0650
Fax
Number: 540-951-5415
Alan
Mintz, General Manager
Carol
Huntley-Weber, Marketing Manager
Randy
Hegstad, Pond Product Manager
Weber,
Carol & Bob
904
Roanoke St E
Blacksburg,
VA 24060
(540)
961-5362
Carol
Huntley-Weber's verified email address is
weberc@tetra-fish.com
Here
is the email address for the Early Show on
CBS: earlyshow@cbs.com
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