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Anthias and Jaw Fish? Sel./Sys. 10/14/08
Hello Bob and Crew, <Chris> Thanks for the amazing resource!
<Welcome> I have 2 stocking questions for you. I am currently
upgrading what has been a very successful 30 gallon SPS dominated tank
(yes, required lots of overkill equipment not normally seen on a system
this small to maintain proper parameters) to a 65 gallon display with a
37 gallon sump and 20 gallon refugium. I will have approximately 50X
turnover in the main display (non laminar flow, random to keep my SPS
happy) <Ahh! Much better, and easier to maintain> Filtration for
the new system will consist of an AquaC 180 skimmer, ~100 lbs of Fiji
live rock and the fuge (on reverse daylight cycle). I will be using a
Phosban reactor and carbon reactor (carbon as needed) to maintain low
PO4 and high clarity. The system will be running an AquaController
maintained calcium reactor and Kalk reactor to maintain pH/Ca/Alk.
<Lots of automation> My current stock includes a small flasher
wrasse, a yellow assessor, a mandarin (eats mysis) and a Banggai
cardinal. I also have a golden angel (Centropyge aurantius) that has
been in my quarantine system that I would like to add to the new tank
should it be able to prove itself generally uninterested in eating SPS
corals clams and Acans. <You'll see> (small frags/a clam will be
rotated through the QT system to assess this behavior as best as
possible.) There are two additional species I would like to add but am
wary of stocking capacity and fish behavior. 1) In the past, I have
always maintained ~1 inch of sand in my reef tanks (which was vacuumed
weekly as part of my water change routine). I have read several
opinions on this site and others re sand depth and this species. Do you
think this fish <... Opistognathus aurifrons?> be reasonably
content with 2-3 inches of sand and would it be okay to employ this much
sand with a weekly/bi-weekly vacuuming regimes? I would rather not go
into the uncharted territory of DSBs if I can help it (and would gladly
forgo this specimen if need be). <S/b fine here... may well pile up
some of this material... No big deal> 2) The other slightly
controversial addition that I would love to include but fear I may need
to forgo is a m/f pair of some sort of Anthias. I have found hugely
conflicting information in regard to the husbandry of these fish. I see
that conspecific aggression is a major issue in haremic groupings
between females or between two males. I have not been able to find any
information about the behavior of a male female pair (particularly in
the relatively small system) Pseudanthias bartlettorum seems to be on
the smaller end of the easier to maintain members of the group.
Nemanthias carberryi also seems to be a smaller species that might be
suitable (sources conflict on adult size). What are your thoughts on
putting a m/f pair of these or other Anthias in the described system?
<Some species, as you state, can/do get along in smaller numbers, sex
ratios in captivity. Bartlett's is a good choice here, but your system
is getting a bit crowded...> I do not anticipate adding additional
fish to the system beyond this stock list. Thanks for your time and
input, Chris <And you for sharing. Bob Fenner> Re:
Anthias and Jaw Fish? 10/14/08 Hello Bob (and crew),
<Chris> Thanks for your quick reply. My apology for not including the
species of jaw fish I am looking to keep! I thought i had included that
info but in retrospect i see that i did not! I wanted to house a single
Opistognathus rosenblatti <Ahh, named in honor of Dick Rosenblatt,
of SIO here (in San Diego)...> in the system. Will he work in the
proposed environment? Best regards, Chris <Mmm, I discourage
its use here... this species really needs much deeper substrate, a much
larger display to "feel comfortable"... it would too likely perish (or
jump out) quickly here. The TWA "goldhead" would be a much more
appropriate choice/try. Bob Fenner> Re: Anthias and Jaw
Fish? Stkg., FO 10/15/08 Hello Bob (and crew),
<Chris> Thanks for the heads up on the O. rosenblatti. <Ahh, I do
wish Alex Kerstitch (one of the first to collect...) was about still>
I am finding the 65 gallon tank to be remarkably awkward to stock. If
they are not right for my system, i just assume to forget about trying
to keep the jaw fish and the Anthias. <This really is best... perhaps
the next (even larger) upgrade...> Clearly he system is too small for
most (if not all) tangs but i saw a citation on your website where
someone was told they could get away with a Ctenochaetus sp. in this
size tank. sources seem to conflict on Ctenochaetus tank requirements
(even on this site). Do you think I would be pushing the boundaries of
proper husbandry to include a Ctenochaetus hawaiiensis in my proposed
system? <Ultimately, yes... if this setting is "too busy" with other
livestock, folks happening by, this Chevy will be very unhappy> I
would think that if I could keep this species, I would leave the fish
population to consist of the yellow assessor, the mandarin, the Banggai,
the flasher wrasse and the golden angel (should he make the cut in terms
of not eating corals...) <... and to tell you more of some "fact"
(truth if you can allow the term), C. aurantius lives in quite large
"lek" territories... about the size of a typical room in a house... I
would not stock this species here either really> I think that my
total system volume (~100-120gal) and my filtration scheme is large
enough to handle this population but I'm not so sure about tank space.
<What you hint about is very important... Psychological/behavioral
space... as you state above, a/the 65 gallon really isn't very large>
The Banggai and the mandarin occupy a different niche in the reef than
the others so they may not be in such a conflict for territory. What
are your thoughts? Thanks for your time, Chris <You have them,
welcome. BobF> Additional fish... Mmm, maybe
9/25/08 Hi Guys/Gals <Ian> I wondered if you could
give me some advice. Below is a list of the fish I presently have in my
tank. I have a reef setup which is about 2yrs old. Size is 2500mm x1200
x 800mm and has about 2500lires in the total system. I have a variety of
corals, both soft and hard. The large grey damsels are fairly aggressive
but do nothing more than a quick chase to anyone foolish enough to
venture too close to them. The tangs are always chasing each other
around for no apparent reason and of course the surgeon has a go at them
every now and then. The Clarkii has his eye on the 10mm clown because he
resides right opposite his anemone but so far has made no serious
attempt. I would like to add about another 15 fish as I seem to have
plenty of room and lots of rock for hideaways. But what to add and the
timing thereof has me nervous as I do not want to create too much chaos
in a reasonably peaceful tank. <You are wise here> I do not want
anything that is going to grow too big either. I would like it if 100mm
was max size for any of these. <Easy to check, guess based on
reviewing them in Fishbase.org> Not actually sure what size these
present fish are going to grow. To me it looks as if the Clarkii is full
size? <About this... 100 mm/4 inches> What can you suggest?
<Many possibilities...> Your help is appreciated. Regards Ian
4x Yellow Tang 75mm <Can get at least six inches/150 mm. in this
setting... may not mix forever with your present Acanthurids> 1x
Sailfin Tang 100mm <Much larger in time> 1x Midas Blenny 50mm
<Should fit in> 1x Cinnamon Clown (50mm) lives with the Tomato's in a
Hecteractis Anemone 2x Tomato clowns (20mm) 2x Percula Clown (15mm
and 10mm) One lives in an unidentified anemone and the smaller one
hides out in a Rubber coral that has plenty of "fingers". 1x Clarkii
Clown ( 100mm) Lives in a huge 300mm diam. Carpet Anemone. <Some
chance all clowns will mix with fighting over time> 1x Bicolour Angel
50mm 1x Jumping Bean Angel 40mm 2x Pajama Cardinals 50mm 1x
Royal Gramma 20mm 7x Yellow tail Damsels 15mm 2x Fire Goby 15mm
1x Powder Brown Surgeon 100mm <Will be larger... see comment above>
1x Niger Trigger 100mm <Will be much larger... see Odonus...> 1x
Longnose Hawk 50mm 1x Strawberry Gramma 20mm 3x Banggai cardinals
25mm 1x Six line wrasse 20mm 1x One spot Foxface 75mm <Bigger
in time> 3x Goldies 30mm 2x Damsels. Grey with a white band, quite
aggressive. 50mm 1x Blenny 50mm ( not sure which type or even if a
Blenny but it seems to swim from rock to rock and then perch there for a
while. It also appears to eat live critters. Grey in colour with what
looks like eyelashes over the eyes. The shape is similar to a Blenny
with a continuous fin down the back. <Well... other fishes could be
fit in this volume, size/shape system... Better if there were a "theme"
in my opinion... Biotopic or otherwise... Would definitely quarantine
all incoming, mix water back and forth to acquaint all before moving to
the main/display... Many choices... I'd be reading re, making lists...
Be chatting. Bob Fenner> Re: additional fish 9/25/08
Hi Bob Many thanks. Look forward to your advice/suggestions.
Cheers Ian <Do send on specifics Ian... will gladly conspire with
you. Cheers, BobF> Re: additional fish 9/25/08
Hi Bob <Ian> Ok here are some of my ideas.(most I found in your
book!) I would like a mandarin but had one some time ago and then it
suddenly disappeared. Perhaps my tank was too immature? Would it be
competing for food with the Longnose Hawkfish? <Too much action here
period... food competition... for a Callionymid to do well> Could I
introduce another 2/3 yellow tangs if they were the same size as the
existing? <Mmm, not likely> I would like a powder blue surgeon but
would the two surgeons get on or would they cut each other up?
<Too likely to be trouble...> A Dottyback and perhaps 5/6 Green
Chromis? <These would likely fit> I would also really like to get
a Yellow Longnosed Butterfly which I believe is reef safe? Also a Lemon
Goby, 2/3 Bannerfish. <Mmm, all good choices if started healthy>
Would you recommend any of these? What were you suggesting I do to keep
to a particular theme? <Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/marsetupindex1.htm The last tray>
One last question if I may, will the tail of a small clown I have grow
back over time? <If not gone too far... to the hypurals> Quite a
sizable piece was removed by my Clarkii before I could rescue it. Now
recuperating in the refugium. Your time is much appreciated.
Cheers Ian <And you. BobF> Re: additional fish
9/25/08 WOW I am really bowled over!! Your response time to
my questions makes me feel I am the only guy around with a query!! Your
dedication to this hobby helps people like us cope..no matter how much
one reads there are times when a direct Q+A is needed. Thanks for
your help Ian <A pleasure to share. Bob Fenner>
Stocking Question, reef, 50 g. 9/24/08 Hi WWM Crew!!
<Hello, Jessy here this time.> I recently upgraded to a 50g 36x15x24
tank and am curious about stocking. The tank is mixed reef with assorted
softies and LPS corals and has approx 100lbs of fully cured live rock.
For equipment I have 2 Koralia 1's, a CPR Bak pack skimmer upgraded with
maxi jet 1200, and a 4 gallon HOB refugium full of Fiji mud and macro
algae (55ish gallons or so total tank volume). I currently have 3
juvenile tank raised ocellaris clowns (2x 1.5" and 1x 1"),<Take care
with these, 3 will ultimately become two as they mature.> a 2" yellow
tang, a 2" blue tang, 4x 1.5-2" blue/green chromis, a Red Bubble tip
anemone, a skunk cleaner, a few peppermint shrimp and an assorted
cleaning crew. Total I have about 18 inches of fish (rounding all sizes
up). I do 10% weekly water changes with filtered ocean water from
Scripps Pier in San Diego. <Good habit to keep up with> I keep a close
eye on all my levels, and use my corals as well as test kits as a gauge
of water quality. Currently ammonia = 0, nitrate = 0, nitrite = 0, Ca =
460, Alk = 11 dKH, phosphate = 2ppm (should be 0 I know), <Your refugium
will help with this once the macro algae growth takes off, but there are
also a variety of chemicals available to you at your local fish store
that can assist you with keeping Phosphates in check.> and salinity is
1.025. I know that the tangs will be a problem in the future and plan to
upgrade to 100+ gallons within 6-8 months. <Good idea if you plan to
keep the tangs> With my current livestock and maintenance habits am I
overstocked? <I think your fine considering your tangs are on the
smaller side. They do have a tendency to grow expedientially fast once
they hit a certain size though, so keep up the plans for a larger tank>
I don’t plan on adding any other livestock besides maybe some other
softies, but I definitely don’t want a tank crash before I can upgrade.
I hope I didn't leave out any necessary information. Any insight is much
appreciated. <Sounds like you have a good handle on things and the
frequent testing and water changes should help prevent a tank crash from
any stocking issues you may have in the future.> Thanks so much,
Alex <Happy reefing, Jessy> Stocking List for 75G
9/22/08 Bob, <Jessy T here.> I have written before
asking about my stocking list for my 75 reef, and I have modified it
intensely looking to create a suitable environment. I have a 20 gallon
sump with a Phosban reactor and Coralife 225 skimmer. I have a 10 gallon
HOB fuge and a 5 gallon fuge sectioned off in the sump both packed with
Chaeto. I have 115 lbs of LR and about 75 lbs of sand. The tank will
have some LPS, Mushrooms, and Polyps. Inverts will be 2-3 Lysmata skunk
cleaners, 10 scarlet reef hermits, a tuxedo urchin, a Squamosa clam, 1
tiger tail cucumber, 12 turbo snails, and 3 Astrea snails. My fish list,
which is what my questions were about, will be: 2 Heniochus Diphreutes,
1 Kole Tang, 2 Ocellaris Clowns, 2 Sleeper Head Gobies, 1 Scott's fairy
wrasse, a school of pajama cardinals and a school of chromis. Does this
list sound acceptable? <It sounds like a bit much for a 75. I'd need
more clarification on what a "school" means to you, but assuming you
mean at least 3, it is a large bio-load for only 75 gallons of water.
There is no exact science for figuring out the limits of a stocking
list, but 14 or more fish in a 75 a bit much. If you can, narrow your
shopping list down by a handful or more and be prepared to do regular
water changes to keep all the waste from your fish from polluting your
reef.> Zach <Regards, Jessy> Re: Stocking List for
75Gallon 9/23/08 Jessy, If I were to remove the two
schools of chromis and cardinals is my tank appropriately stocked?
<I'd say you are heading in the right direction. The best advice I can
give you is to start slowly, keep an eye on your water parameters, and
if your tank hasn't seen any ill effects with nitrates or phosphates add
the next fish. Be aware of the interactions between the different fish
and if there seems to be any fighting going on, you may want to remove
one of the fish involved. Regards, Jessy> Reef Aquarium,
lighting, stkg. 09/18/2008 Hello, <<Hello, Andrew
this evening>> I am currently setting up a 65 gallon reef aquarium
36x18x24 and I have a few questions I would like to ask.
<<Certainly, let's get to them>> It has a Tunze DOC protein skimmer
and a Tunze Calcium reactor and 65 pounds of LR and as well I use RODI
water. <<Nice>> I am planning on putting mainly LPS, Zoanthids,
Clams, and maybe Montipora in the aquarium, The lighting on the aquarium
is 1- 14,000k 400 watt bulb and 2-96 watt power compacts is that
sufficient enough? <<Certainly, yes. Might be too much for some, but,
simple use of shadier areas are were good>> Secondly, how long should
I wait till I had clams from the species Squamosa, deresa and/or gigas
into the aquarium? <<On the clams listed, i would not suggest any of
the ones listed, as they all get to a foot or more in length>> In
addition, can I add LPS corals into the aquarium after it is done
cycling? <<Sure thing>> Thirdly, I plan on having 2 Percula
clowns, 1 mystery wrasse and I wanted to put a tang in the aquarium as a
centerpiece. I was wondering if that was possible and if so which
species? In about a 60 gallon tank, the only tang i would suggest is
Zebrasoma flavescens>> Thank you very much for all your great advice
Sam. <<Thanks for the email and questions, Sam, I hope this helps. A
Nixon>> Question about McCosker's Flasher Wrasse and
Tangs. Comp. 9/16/08
Hello Everyone! Thank you for the outstanding job. I have been reading
avidly and learning so much. If not for your website I would have made
many mistakes by now. My setup is a 100Gal half hexagon with DSB 4"+,
about 60lbs LR, 260 watts PC lighting, and 35 Gal Refugium w/6"
aragonite and a reef devil skimmer. Mag 18 return pump with 3x 1/2"
outlets and 1 additional powerhead for circulation. Livestock
consists of 1 Hippo tang and 1 Sailfin tang and about 15 Nassarius
snails,5 Cerith snails and some Strombus grazers and mini brittle stars
for a clean up crew. I have some mushroom polyps, zoo's, green star
polyps and 1 colt coral Currently I feed my fish 2 times a day and
sometimes 3 times a day. My water is consistently - 0 nitrates and 0
phosphates. 5 gal water changes weekly. The two tangs get along very
well and often graze side by side without any aggression. Honestly the
system is doing very well! Thanks in part to you guys. I would like
to add 1 McCosker's Flasher wrasse, 4 green chromis, 1 high fin goby, 1
watchman goby and 1 percula clown. My question is how would you
adjust my live stock list. Which fish would you exclude if any? would
you remove any specific fish and replace it with another fish that you
recommend? I know this is maxing out my bio load but do you think this
might work if my water quality stays good. Also would there be any
compatibility issues among the fish. Do you think the wrasse will eat my
clean up crew? Sorry for so many questions but I do not like to see fish
die needlessly because of my ignorance. Your help is appreciated.
Mario. <Hello! I believe your aquarium will be fine with the fish
mentioned above. The Hippo tang and sail fin tang will eventually
outgrow this aquarium but not for a while. The wrasse, chromis, gobies
and clown should be just fine. I would quarantine all fish before
introducing them to your system. Good luck, IanB> Opinion
on fish, reef mis-stocking poss. – 09/12/08 Hi !
<Hello> I am looking for a new addition to my fish family, but do not
know what else to add. I have a 55 gallons tank right now, but will buy
a 120-180g tank in 3 months. Since I will be getting a much bigger tank,
I can definitely afford to have more fishes. As for right now I
have: 2 true Percs (small) 1 Desjardinii (medium) <Needs more
room than this> 1 Hippo Tang (small) <Ditto> I was thinking
that if I get some tangs in small size, I will have at least a year
before it gets too big for my 55, however I'm definitely getting a much
bigger tank very soon, so that would not be a problem. What do you
suggest, even if it's not a tang. <Waiting till you have the larger
system up and going> Also, my tank is a lightly stocked reef tank-
Duncan. hammers, wall hammers, GSP, Zoas, Clove polyps.. Thanks in
advance! Allison <And I would not add any more Cnidarian life
here till then either. Bob Fenner> Stocking Questions for a
55g Reef – 09/03/08 Hi Wet Web Crew! <<Hey Allison!>>
Ok so I guess I'll tell you what I have before I ask you about what I
want to have! <<Okay>> I have a 55 gallon tank with a 40 gal
sump/filtration system. <<Ah, a nicely sized support system>> A
48" Coralife lighting system with two metal halides, 4 compact actinics,
and 6 pairs of led moon lights. This tank has a built-in overflow, which
goes directly into the 4-chamber filter. 1st chamber Protein skimmer
which overflows to the 2nd chamber with bio-balls, which underflows
through a sponge to the 3rd chamber which spills in a refugium, with 1
in of reef mud, 2 1/2 inches sand, minimal live rock, and a couple of
crabs then pumps back up the main tank. ('Fuge currently has a basic
plant grow light on during the time main tank lights are off - still
getting it going.) The main tank has, I'm guessing 30-40 lb. of live
rock. (needs more I know!) <<Mmm, not necessarily… If the biological
filtration is sufficient and there are adequate hiding/resting places
for the animals then I would not add more rock just for the sake of a
number/having a certain “poundage” of rock. It is much better to
minimize and allow ample “room” for your animals to move and grow, in my
opinion>> Occupants are: A colony of mushrooms Pumping Xenia
Button Polyps Open Brain Coral Feather Duster 15+/- Zebra and
Green-legged Hermit Crabs 5 or so Nassarius Snails 3 or 4
Turbo/Astrea Snails 3 Giant snails (my snail names may be a little
off!) 1 Sand-Sifting cucumber (oldest Tank-member, he's been through
a lot!) 5 Peppermint Shrimp 1 Rusty Coral Goby 1 Lawnmower
Blenny And some aggressive Caulerpa that grows better in the tank
than in the fuge!!! (working on that!) <<Indeed…can prove problematic
if left unchecked>> Tank has been running and with present occupants
for about 2 years (Except Xenia and Brain; those have been added in last
6 months). My pH seems to hold at about 8.2, ammonia, nitrate, and
nitrite 0ppm. I weekly dose with calcium, iodine, and strontium. (Ok
sorry if that was a bit much; just trying to be thorough!) <<Not at
all…is best to be “thorough”>> I'd like to add a couple of fish (not
this whole list, of course!) and wondered as to your opinion of the
following list: <<Always happy to proffer my opinion>> Neon Goby
<<Okay>> Yellow "Canary" Wrasse or other Wrasse (like Dusky or
Six-line) <<The Canary Wrasse (Halichoeres chrysus) would be a fine
addition re temperament and the size of the tank, but you don’t mention
the presence of a fine substrate in the display which is a “requirement”
of this species. The Dusky Wrasse (Halichoeres marginatus) might be a
little big for this tank, and like the Canary Wrasse, would also require
a fine substrate in which to burrow. The Sixline Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus
hexataenia) is the smallest of the three and can do without the fine
substrate (can/will use a cave or crevice in which to sleep), but this
wrasse is also the most likely to become a “terror,” especially in a
system of this size. Unless you have/add a substrate suitable for the H.
chrysus, I would not add any of these fishes to this system>> Bicolor
Anthias or other Anthias <<The tank is really not big enough for
“any” Anthiine species…though if you were to make sacrifices elsewhere
(leave out the Wrasse and Angel…and probably the Clown) you could
possibly get away with a small group (five) of Bartlett’s Anthias
(Pseudanthias bartlettorum), along with the fishes you already have and
the addition of the Neon Goby>> Coral Beauty - pretty sure this isn't
the best idea, but I can still wish can't I? <<Okay let’s look at
another scenario then. Again, the tank is minimal re size requirements.
But if you forego the Anthiines and the Wrasse, and consider the more
“captive care” suited Flame Angel (Centropyge loricula)…then I think you
could do this, your current stock, the Neon Goby…and add the Maroon
Clown (the Flame Angel will handle the Clown much better than Anthiines
would)>> Gold Striped Maroon Clown (This is highest on my wish
list and I want to add last for its size and territorial nature.)
<<Likely a fine addition as long as you don’t add the Anthiines or other
easily harassed species as well…the size of the tank just isn’t big
enough/doesn’t provide enough separation of species. As you are already
aware, the Clown will be very territorial>> (Oh and NO anemone with
this clown either! I like them better in tide pools than my tank!)
<<Excellent>> Would any of the above be compatible with my current
tank mates and then the GSMC I want to add later? <<Not across the
board…but with the exceptions as I have outlined>> My goal is to get
some color and movement in the tank. <<Much to choose from>> Also,
what other types of corals would you recommend for this system?
<<Considering the Mushrooms and Polyps already present I think your
choices may be limited to more of the same (different color morphs) or
at least similar species…though the Bubble Coral will likely suffer in
the end from this noxious mix>> The tank seems pretty full in the
coral department, <<Then perhaps best to leave this be>> but it'd
be nice to have a couple more. <<Mmm…then refer to your next
statement [grin]>> I know, I know, I need a bigger tank! <<Or else
learn and be satisfied to keep what can be “successfully” maintained in
“this” system>> Thanks for all your help! I wouldn't make it without
hours spent on your site!!! Allison :) <<We’re all happy to share.
Regards, EricR>>
Stocking Plans for 75 Reef, no reading – 8/25/08 Crew, <?
Zach?> I have a few questions and will try to be as concise as
possible. I am ready to start my 75 reef after a few FOWLR years. My
light is a 4x65 watt power compact from Orbit. The sand bed is four
inches thick. I have a euro-reef sump, Coralife super skimmer 125, and
around 125 lbs of Live Rock. I was wondering how my stocking list looks:
1) Kole Tang or Yellow Tang 2) Flame Angel or Coral Beauty 3) five to
seven Banggai cardinals <Nah, read re these on WWM> 4) Percula or
Pair of Perculas 5) Six Line or Leopard Wrasse <Macropharyngodons...
not easily kept> or Scott or Flasher Wrasse?6) Sleeper Head and
Diamond Goby? Inverts: Various Hermits (Scarlet, Blue Knuckle,
Zebras), <Not a fan... as you'd see had you read> three cleaner
shrimp, various turbo/astrea/Nerite snails, a single blue linkia,
<... you're joking?> one purple reef lobster <No soup for you!>
Corals: some LPSs such as bubble, Acan brains, frogspawn. Zoa polyps,
leather corals, mushrooms How is this list? <Untenable... won't
work> My second question is: If my phosphates are zero from a Phosban
and having decent tap water, should I still use an RO Unit? Thank you
so much for your help, you have done the hobby a justice Zach
<... try reading on WWM re all this. Bob Fenner>
Compatibility concern, Reef stkg. 8/20/08 hey guys, this
site has given me so much information. i am amazed that you volunteer...
what a commitment. so thank you. i hope this isn't too much info, but
here goes... after many hours of reading previous posts, i have
realized that i need to clear some potential compatibility problems in
my tank... particularly in the coral department... although my
corals get along fine now, am i likely to have problems in the long
term? the corals seem like they are flourishing for the most
part...(other than the xenia being a little temperamental at times). i
have fallen in love with the hobby and don't want to screw up. i
take it very seriously and am in it for the long haul... i am hoping to
continue keeping a great variety of corals. attached is a recent
photo... my system details... 72 gallon bowfront 15 gallons of
water in my sump (total of 87 gallons) CoraLife super skimmer 80
to 90 lbs of live rock 2 inches of live sand 3 power heads (2
high, 1 low in back behind live rock) also circulating with sump
return CoraLife Aqualite pro ( 2-250watt metal halide bulbs)
fish... (the fish seem to get along quite well. i am not planning to add
any more fish.) mimic tang Tomini tang Scopas tang coral
beauty angel flame angel 2 black clown fish 2 fire shrimp 2
snails (bumpy shell, not sure exactly what kind) 3 red starfish (with
blue tips) sand dwelling star fish handful of hermit crabs
corals... leather finger leather toadstool 3 polyp clusters
(one of them is quite a bit larger polyps) torch coral hammer
coral star polyp fuzzy green mushroom cluster purple mushroom
cluster red mushroom cluster plate coral 3 xenia clusters
flower pot (which my clown adores) water... spec. gravity= 1.025
ph= 8.5-8.6 <<Too high. RMF>> Alk= 2 ammonia= 0 nitrate= 0
nitrite= 0.0-0.05 calcium= 380-400 temp 79-80.5 i supplement
the water with Weiss coral boost daily, Kent marine PhytoPlex 3 times
per week, Weiss Bacter boost after water changes (10% weekly) Kent
marine liquid calcium daily (as i am trying to increase calcium to 400+)
the fish seem to get along quite well. i am not planning to add any more
fish. the corals seem pretty good for the most part...(other than the
xenia being a little temperamental at times). <your fish and corals
should be fine for now but the corals will reproduce pretty rapidly
(especially the xenias!) and sting other species. I would just keep an
eye on the growth since you will not want corals invading and killing
other species in your aquarium. it looks like you researched well before
you set it up. kudos to you! and good luck, IanB>
Lemonpeel or Midas Touch 08/15/2008 Hello Crew, Thanks
for all the help you guys have guided me in the past. I currently
have a 125G tank with DSB, 70lbs of live rock, 46G Sump that's been up
for nearly 9months flawlessly. . I currently have a powder brown tang
(japonicus) 5inches, blue hippo tang 4inches, maroon clownfish, 1 purple
firefish and 2 cardinal fish. I've stopped at that amount of rock to
allow the tangs good swimming room to completely swim side to side with
plenty of room to move around. I also have 2 stalks of xenia, 3
semi-large groupings of frogspawn, a flower pot coral, and some 5
different types of Stylophora coral. I was thinking about adding either
a Lemonpeel angel or a midas blenny. I've heard that Lemonpeels nip at
LPS, <Some do> but do they nip at frogspawn and flower pots?
<Again, some> I've also heard that Midas Blennies sometimes
attack firefish. Is that true? <Yes> One other question is do
xenia and Stylophora have stinging cells? <Not so much the pulsing
corals, but definitely the stony corals> I have them quite close to
each other. Thanks for all your Help. Frank <If so, have likely
"gotten used" to each others company. See WWM re Cnidarian
compatibility: http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm and elsewhere
re the specific groups you house. Bob Fenner>
55 Hex Cycling/Stocking Questions, Marine, Reef
7/23/08 Hi, I have a 55 gallon hex reef tank that has been up for
about 5-6 months now and is about to enter big stocking stages. It has a
sand bed of about 3-4 in all around and 60 lbs live rock. There is a
built-in sump/refug in the back with a Rio 800 powerhead flowing back
into the tank, a protein skimmer that came with the tank (works great),
2-65 watt actinic lights and 1-175 watt 14,000K MH. There is also a
Koralia 2 (600gph) pump in the tank. <Ok, may want to add more flow,
a tall tank like this needs lots of it.> I currently have 3 chromis',
2 snails, 2 hermit crabs, a conch, and a red-spotted blenny. I just got
the blenny about 4 days ago. <Ok> I have a pair of true perculas
(~2in) waiting for me at my LFS but I am not sure whether or not to get
a Sebae or BTA for them at the same time, before, or after I put them in
the tank. From some sources, it seems Sebae Anemones are hard to take
care of or might be too big for my tank. <No anemones are easy to
take care of, just degrees of difficulty.> I like BTAs, but the only
one they have available (until possibly next week) are the peach-colored
regular ones (non-GBTA, non-RBTA). I’d prefer a GBTA, but I’m not sure
whether the clownfish would prefer their anemone when introduced, or
later, or whether it even matters at all. <If they are captive bred
they very well may not host in it at all, and really all do fine without
one.> Would the True Perculas be more likely to host in the Sebae, or
the BTA, as perculas don’t host either one naturally in the wild?
<It's a crap shoot.> Is a Sebae Anemone more aggressive and more
likely to hurt my future LPS and SPS corals? <I would pick either
anemones or corals, not both in this sized tank, a recipe for problems
combining them.> Stocking Options My other questions have to do
with stocking the tank. The 3 blue-green chromis’ have been in there for
several months now, mostly because I just couldn’t stand watching an
entirely empty tank for so long. I have sort of grown attached to them
(being the only fish I had for months, and I hate taking fish back to
the store, especially when they’ve done nothing wrong), but I think I
can part with them if it means I could put something that I dearly want
in their place. <Ok> I plan on putting the following in the tank:
2 Coral Banded Shrimp (mated pair) 2 Feather Dusters 2-3 Christmas
Tree Worms <Generally do poorly in captivity.> 1 Blue Linckia
Starfish <Skip it, will starve. A serpent star would be a much better
choice. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/linckiastars.htm > 2 True Percula
Clownfish 1 Anemone (species to be announced) <Would skip as
stated above.> Many Corals (SPS and LPS, plus 1 Brain Coral
(Trachyphyllia radiata)) <In a hex tank like this where lighting is
going to be difficult, chose carefully and stock lightly.> My
question is what other fish can I put in and not be overstocked?
Other possible additions (obviously not all) I was thinking of
involved the following: 1 of the following: Green Clown Goby
(Gobiodon atrangulatus) <Can be difficult to feed.> Midas Blenny
(Ecsenius midas) Flametail Blenny (Atrosalarias sp.) Bicolor
Blenny (Ecsenius bicolor) Red Scooter Blenny (Synchiropus stellatus)
<Not a blenny, a dragonet, will starve in this size tank.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/mandarins.htm > Firefish Goby
(Nemateleotris magnifica) Starry Blenny (Salarias ramosus) Horned
Blenny (Parablennius sp.) Blue Tuxedo Urchin (Mespilia globulus)
<Can be a bit of a bulldozer, may be problematic with corals.> 1 of
the following: Yellow Knobby Cucumber (Colochirus robustus) Velvet
Nudibranch (Chelidonura varians) <Nudibranchs generally do poorly in
captivity, would skip.> Sea Hare (Aplysia punctata) <Can be a
problem "inking" a tank.> Lettuce Nudibranch (Tridachia crispata)
<See above> Tiger Tail Cucumber (Holothuria hilla) Psychedelic
Mandarinfish (Synchiropus picturatus) <Skip, same problem as the
scooter blenny.> 1 of the following: Blue Head Fairy Wrasse -
Cirrhilabrus cyanopleura <At 6 inches it is getting pretty big for a
hex.> Six Line Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus hexataenia) Blue Star
Leopard Wrasse (Macropharyngodon bipartitus) McCosker's Flasher
Wrasse, Male (Paracheilinus mccoskeri) Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon
kauderni) <Try to find captive bred.> Yellow Stripe Clingfish
(Diademichthys lineatus) Flame Hawkfish (Neocirrhites armatus)
<May do a number on small fish and clean-up crew.> Which of the
Gobies/Blennies will not get along with my Red-Spotted Blenny? <Most
should be ok, but in the limited space of a hex I would stick with one
bottom dweller.> Could I possibly try to get another red-spotted
blenny of the opposite sex and make a pair? <Most likely could.>
Will the Tuxedo Urchin take up that much space? Will he knock over a lot
of LR? Could he damage corals? <Has been known to happen.> Are any
of the Nudibranchs/cucumbers I listed safe for the reef? <Cukes
should be ok if proper steps are taken, skip the nudis.> Do any of
them release toxins into the tank when stressed or dying like sea
apples? <Holothurin, http://www.wetwebmedia.com/seacukes.htm >
Could the Mandarinfish get bothered by one of the gobies I listed, or my
red-spotted blenny? <Skip the mandarin.> Are even any of those
wrasses not okay for a peaceful hex tank of my size? <Wrasses can be
a bit boisterous, but so can the clowns. Some 6-lines are just down
right mean.> How aggressive do Flame Hawkfish get in a reef
environment with many of the other organisms I have listed? <Can get
quite aggressive.> Sorry, I know it’s a long list…there’s just a
lot of great-looking fish/inverts out there. <Yep, if you have not
pick up Scott Michael's book, "Marine Fishes" give it a shot,
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Marine-Fishes/Scott-W-Michael/e/9781890087388
> Cycling Also, as a final question, I recently realized that a
piece of skinny plate live rock would go perfect as a shelf in the tank,
but I am worried about it cycling the tank when I already have fish in
there (and soon to have clowns). Are there any tips or ways I could
minimize the effect of adding a new piece of live rock into the tank? It
would only be 1 piece of rock. <Most likely will not cause a problem,
but if worried cycle it in a QT tank or bucket.> My params have been
stable for a long time now Nitrites: 0 ppm Nitrates: 0 ppm
Ammonia: 0-0.1 ppm Salinity: 1.025 And my temp swings from 77 at
its lowest (at night) to about 81 at its highest (in the day). <I
would set the heater a little higher to minimize this swing.> Also,
should I be running my actinic lights at the same time as my MH?
<Can> Or can I only them on an hour before and for an hour after
my MHs? Also, I have a black light for nighttime. Any
fish/corals/inverts that look cool under black lights? <Many, however
many fish can see ultra-violet light, so do not leave it on too much.>
Thanks so much for the help. <Welcome> -Aaron <Chris>
Query Marine Setup, 7/20/08 Hi <Hello> I have a 150 litre
salt water tank running with: 1 Clown Fish; Yellow Tang; <Needs
a bigger tank.> 10 kilos live rock; 2 Banded Shrimp; 2
Anemones; 2 soft corals; <May have problems with allelopathy
combining corals and anemones in this sized tank.> 1 Red Stripped
Sand-sifting Gobi; and 1 Valentino Puffer. I am running the
system with the following: Berlin Air Lift 90 Gallon Skimmer; Deep
Sand Bed Filter; Wet and Dry Trickle Filter; Refugium (with live
rock, sand and Caulerpa). I am currently running the system in this
order, I was wondering if this is the best and most effective order to
run it in? <Should be fine.> Also, can you recommend, or is my
current skimmer the best for my system? <Generally with skimmers you
get what you pay for, see here for more on the more common models,
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i1/protein_skimmer_impressions.htm .>
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers! Shaun
<Chris> Reef tank –
Triggerfish Behavior and Ideas for Shoaling Fish Addition – 07/15/08
Thanks for the great website! <<Thanks for using it!>> I was
hoping to get a stocking suggestion as well as advice on odd fish
behavior. <<Okey-dokey>> First, the tank stats: 250 gallon show
tank, 50 gallon fuge, 150 gallon sump, SPS only <<Very nice>>
....will have LPS in future, Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate: 0, calcium: 400,
alkalinity: 3.5, Mg: not measured. <<Okay>> SG had been
consistently kept at 1.025, but we purchased a refractometer recently
and realized SG was actually 1.029! <<Mmm, doesn’t automatically mean
it is correct…do make sure the refractometer is calibrated/accurate>>
We have been gradually decreasing this with the goal of 1.025 in another
week or so. The tank cycled for about a month with live rock from our
established tank as well as some new rock....about 200 pounds total.
Rock is arranged in two mounds with the center and sides open to allow
plenty of water columns for swimming. <<Excellent>> Fish were
added about four weeks ago and include a Naso tang (6 inches), Two Bar
Rabbitfish (6 inches), Yellow Tang (5 inches), pair of Sebae clowns, and
a Sargassum Triggerfish (5 inches). <<Neat>> All the fish had been
living in our other tank for several years except the Sargassum
Triggerfish, which was added at the same time as the other fish after a
10-week quarantine. <<Why so long I wonder…4 weeks should have been
plenty>> The SPS (also from the old tank) has grown an amazing amount
for only being in there a month. LPS, additional SPS, cleaner shrimp,
peppermint shrimp, and a Mandarin Dragonet (3 inches) will be added from
the old tank after the new one has stabilized a bit more. Question
1: The fish show zero aggression toward each other even during feeding
time. They eat a flake diet from an automated feeder plus thawed
fish/shrimp goodies several times a week. <<I very much urge you to
have a look at adding New Life Spectrum pellets to this diet. This is a
highly nutritious and very palatable food that all your fishes (with the
possible exception of the dragonet) will enjoy and benefit from>> The
Sargassum Triggerfish spends nearly all his/her time in one corner of
the tank near the surface of the water swimming into the glass with his
mouth. <<Hmm…>> He leaves the area to eat flake and seafood, but
then returns to his spot. If we are working in the tank, he leaves his
spot to come check out what we are doing. I know it's possible he is
merely looking at his reflection, but I fear he is just really bored!
<<A possibility I suppose…with this very intelligent family of fishes>>
Crazy question, but any suggestions for entertaining an intelligent,
bored triggerfish short of putting on a leash for a walk or throwing him
a ball? <<In my experience, this genus of Triggerfish seems to enjoy
having a “cave” to call its own to clean/maintain and from which to
rest/poke it’s head out and watch the world go by. Perhaps some subtle
rearrangement of the rockwork is in order>> Question 2: We would like
to add a small harem of 3 to 5 fish. We are looking for something
pretty, non-aggressive, small (less than 4 inches), and not horribly
expensive (less than $200 for 3 maybe???). <<Less than $200 for a
trio!!! Now you’re just being impossible… [big-grin]>> Sooo, any
suggestions? <<Indeed…a species of Cardinalfish>> The only fish we
could think of are anthias or wrasses, but the anthias all seem to be
horrible keepers and the wrasse all seem to be a bit large. <<And
haremic/schooling behavior form either species is not guaranteed in even
a tank of a couple hundred gallons-plus, such as you have. With the
fishes you have already, the very best Anthiine species for your tank
would be a trio of Lyretail Anthias (Pseudanthias squamipinnis)…but
these are a large species that can/will get to be a bit more than
4-inches. As for a suitable Wrasse trio, I would look to the smaller
Flasher Wrasse species like the McCosker’s Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus
mccoskeri) or the Carpenter’s Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus
carpenteri)…both make for exquisite displays, though they are
“jumpers”>> Any other ideas for three small peaceful fish?
<<Actually, I think a half-dozen Pajama Cardinals (Sphaeramia
nematoptera) would be a nice addition…or for something a bit smaller,
6-10 Longspine Cardinals (Apogon leptacanthus)>> We had ranked
Scott's Fairy Wrasse high on the list. <<Is a possibility…but is less
likely to “get along” with conspecifics…and will get larger than
4-inches>> Thanks again for all the help! <<Happy to share>>
Love reading the dailies! <<Me too!>> Michele <<EricR>>
Re: Reef tank - Triggerfish Behavior and Ideas for Shoaling Fish
Addition - 07/17/08 Thanks for the info! <<Welcome…I hope it
was of use>> We are leaning toward the McCosker's Flasher Wrasses.
<<Spectacular little fish…but are prone to jumping, especially if
harassed at all>> I am not familiar with the Longspine Cardinals, but
we will take a look at them. <<The photos on the WEB don’t quite do
them justice…hopefully you can check them out “in person”>> Sooo, I
must explain why we did a TEN week quarantine. <<Okay>> We fully
intended on a four week QT and bought the fish ahead of the tank move so
all fish could be added together. The plumbing (it's crazy, sump and
fuge in a separate room, frag tank, etc.) took far longer than hubby
anticipated. <<Ah yes, I do understand>> Funny thing is the
trigger seemed less stressed in the very small quarantine tank than in
the big tank. <<Hmm…>> He has plenty of caves to choose from and I
assume he sleeps in one at night, but I have not found his lights out
spot yet. <<Maybe well hidden… I do hope the Naso Tang isn’t picking
at the Trigger and you just haven’t caught it (Naso Tangs “can” be
terrors…and at the least, yours is, or soon will be, “king” of this
realm>> He is quite funny and comes to the glass in front of anyone
who approaches the tank. <<Does seem like it is “bored”… The tank is
certainly large enough at 250-gallons…I suspect this fish will
self-adjust to its environment soon>> Could he just be more
interested in watching what's going on in the room more than hanging out
with the other fish? <<Maybe so…and maybe this tank is too sparsely
populated for its liking and the addition of more fish may elicit a
change in behavior. But is all speculation…>> Thanks for advice on
calibrating the refractometer. How great would that be to decrease our
SG and find out it was right all along! <<Indeed… Very important to
do so with a “new” measurement device such as this…and then periodically
thereafter>> Have a great day! Michele <<You too! Eric
Russell>>
Help! Got these offloaded and donno what to do, Marine Stocking,
reef 7/14/08 Hi, <Hello> I got these from a friend who
decided he did not want to be in the hobby and I have no idea what
to do!! 1. One inch regal tang baby. - This I wanted (bigger one
though) 2. A Mandarin pair - this I did not want. Tank details
(setup 6 months ago) 120 gal bowfront with 5" DSB 30 gal sump
with mechanical and chemical filtering and a skimmer. 150 pounds
live rock. Fish are - 120 gal with 1 flame angel, 2 skunk clowns,
1 bi color blenny Inverts are - Zoanthids, Moon coral, Finger
Leather coral No3 is between 2.5 and 5 ppm always. CA 450 ppm
ALK is between 2.8 to 3.5 dKH Temp 26 C Only T5 and PC lights
of 10000K I added all 3 of them to my tank and in 10-20 min I see
the tang on its side in a corner bottom and conclude he will not go
past the next half hour. 15 min later I see him swim nicely all
over the tank (unlike Regal Tangs I have known before which were
shy) A few min later, I can not see the fellow and find him
sucked in the intake of a powerhead. <A healthy fish should not
get stuck to a powerhead regardless of size.> I shut off the
powerhead and he simply swims away happy. <Is weakened.> I
have now added strainers to the powerhead intakes. Is this
typical behaviours of baby tangs? <No, no fish should get stuck
to a powerhead.> What will he eat? <Algae, Nori sheets are
best.> Cyclops Eeze is suitable? <Not really, needs vegetable
matter.> I have loads of brown and green algae on the tank walls,
will he eat this? <He might.> Will my flame angel bully him as
both are algae eaters? If so, can I help any? <Time will tell,
they may establish a pecking order and aggression will subdue, if
not they will need to be separated.> What do I do about the
Mandarins? They are the green psychedelic ones. I know they are
difficult to keep alive due to the need for live food. But the
options open to them were worse so I agreed to take them as well.
Will Cyclops Eeze be suitable? <If they will eat it, usually only
live food is acceptable to them. A small pod refugium would go a
long way here.> How can I confirm if they are eating? <Close
observation.> Ps: please could you hit reply all :-) <Sure>
Cheers Ranjith <The tang may need to be removed to a QT to get
healthy if it continues to have problems with powerheads and
eating.> <Chris>Re:
Help! Got these offloaded and donno what to do, Marine Stocking
7/15/08 Hi Thanks for the info. <Welcome> Am not sure
if the regal was stuck or was just hiding. Cause he was eagerly
eating in the friend's tank and here as well. <Good> I will
surely keep Nori for him and maybe some lettuce? <Stick with
foods of marine origin.> None of the bad symptoms either. Not
hiding in one corner, rather very inquisitive of the tankmates and
keeps riding the powerhead current. <Good> I guess my worry
was more towards if such small specimens have a high mortality rate
or are they adaptable? Cheers Ranjith <If it is accepting
food and out in the open I would guess it will be fine. Typically
very small specimen do not to terribly well, but looks like yours is
doing ok.> <Chris> |
Stocking... adding to a 120 gal. reef 7/4/08 I
currently have a VERY peaceful 45 gallon tank with: 5 clown gobies, two
ocellaris clowns (paired), a yellow watchman goby and peppermint shrimp.
(live rock, assorted snails and hermits, some soft
corals/zoos/mushrooms) I will be upgrading my tank to at least
120 g now that a renovation project in the house is complete. Tank will
also have a refugium for pods and spaghetti algae, and sump. I have
been planning for the new tank and am looking at possible new fish for
the tank. (I love gobies and blennies-great personalities-- but I know I
have a lot already) I will likely be adding new and getting rid of a few
of my existing corals (some are now too big--probably stick with
softies-zoos-mushrooms) The fish I have now are pretty low key--with
only the clowns making any real movement in the tank (clown gobies perch
on the coral and watchman hides--unless it is feeding time) <What
they do> I have ruled out tangs as possible tank mates (ick magnets)
Dwarf angels (pick on coral and inverts) Flame Hawkfish (pick on
microfauna & inverts) Fish I am considering are: *Green banded
gobies (possibly a couple-they say they are good in groups) <Yes>
*Green chromis (a small group) *Mandarin -1 (had one before that was
eating brine shrimp and doing fine until ick outbreak/disaster in tank
several years ago. *McCosker's flasher wrasse (1) or Longfin fairy
wrasse (1) *Yellow headed Jawfish (1 or 2--will plan for extra deep
sand bed if I go this route--buy a deeper tank-set up rocks for maximum
stability) *Firefish (only one) <Most species are better in twos>
*Rainford goby (1) (although it may compete with mandarin for
microfauna) <Not much, or too much in a volume of this size> *Twin
spot blenny (1) *Second pair of ocellaris (small, black) not sure
whether this would work out - they would go in at the same time existing
clowns moved to new tank *Additional clown gobies (have green, yellow
and black--still some other color choices--and these guys have been fine
together) Would likely add new fish (after quarantine of course) when
others are moved to new tank <Gobiodons do live in and on stony
corals... mostly Acroporids... do sometimes fight amongst themselves>
I know I should be looking for fish that won't be competing for the
bottom of the tank (and the above list contains quite a few that hang at
the bottom). Also want to avoid fish that feed heavily on microfauna,
since I want to add the mandarin eventually. Are there any fish from
the above list that you would rule out as compatible with my existing
fish, and do you have any other suggestions as to possible tank mates.
<Mmm, my comments above> Thanks for all the work on the website
helping people in this hobby. I know I have learned a great deal from
the site over the past 5 years. Maureen <A pleasure to aid your
success, endeavours, enjoyment. Bob Fenner>
New tank stocking, Reef 6/30/08 Hi I have recently
setup a new 180g reef tank and it has just finished cycling. I have some
questions about adding fish and in what order would be best. I am
worried that because the liverock is not very established the fish wont
have anything to eat. <Then... I'd be patient and wait till there is
such> I currently have 2 Banggai cardinals and a copper banded
butterfly that appear to be eating fine. I want to add a blue hippo
tang, a mandarin dragonet, blue throat trigger, and a flame angel to the
tank eventually but am lost when it comes to when to add each and in
what order. could you help me out. Cory Bader <In this sized
volume... in a few months... the trigger and angel last. Bob Fenner>
Livestock question for 60 gallon marine aquarium 6/25/08 Good
afternoon Great Sages of the Marine Aquarium World, <That's what I'm
talking about... Oh, hi> I would first like to thank you for your
wonderful website. I have used it and my copy of CMA to build my marine
knowledge for the past two years. Both have kept me from making big
mistakes, or helping me to fix the smaller ones. <Heeee! Know what
you mean> Now this is my first message to you and I would like your
advice. <Ok> I received a 60 gallon marine aquarium complete with
a 16" Snowflake eel I named "Frosty" for Father's Day. The tank also
came with a few hermit crabs and some burrowing snails. I even received
the cycled water. Everyone is fine and in good health. 60 gallon
acrylic 48" Long x 15" Wide x 20" Tall 100 lbs of LR protein
skimmer 300gph filter 3 power heads stealth heater 315w pc,
½ white, ½ actinic Having kept a nano reef for two years, I am
looking forward to creating a larger reef system of a few fish, soft
coral, and sps coral. I have in the plans a 20 gallon refugium and a
larger skimmer to add to the current setup. With Frosty being the
first resident of the tank and not really wanting to get rid of him, I
am looking for suitable tankmates. After all the reading and suggestions
this is the list came up with. Maroon Clown (another species would be
ok. Just not eaten) <Mmm, Premnas do get quite large, mean... this
would have to become the alpha fish here... If you get, I'd add last>
Wrasse (Fairy, Canary yellow, Flasher) <Good choice> Damsel (3/4
line) <Ok> Fancy Sea Bass <Check out the species...
Serranocirrhitus is about the only suitable as single... this sys. is
too small for most... others need to be in groups> Large snails or
crabs (Frosty won't think they're a snack) <Mmm, I'd skip till
post-Frosty> Cleaner shrimp <Read on WWM re> I would really
appreciate any suggestions on livestock or coral. Best Regards,
Sasha <Read on my friend, read on. Bob Fenner>
Help keep my dream from becoming a nightmare 6/25/08 Hi all. I
have a question about stocking choices. I have a 120 gallon ( 48X24X24)
Oceanic Tech series tank with a MegaFlow Model 4 ( 36X14X19 ) sump. In
the tank I have a live sand bed about 2-4 inches depending on the area
of the tank where measured, as well as 150+ lbs of live rock. I do
weekly 10%-15% water changes. My water parameters are all good, the only
measurable pollutant being a nitrate level of about 0-5ppm. <No big
deal> I have a clean up crew as suggested by ReefCleaners.org and my
tank is crystal clear and relatively free of algae. Currently I have a
variety of Acropora, Stylophora, Pocillopora (about 10 in all) as well
as a Duncan Whisker and an Australian Acanthastrea Lord. I currently
house a 4 inch purple tang, (2) 2 inch tomato clowns, a Yellowfin
flasher wrasse, and have a 3-4 inch female Bellus angel in quarantine. I
want to add a couple more fish and wanted to get your opinion of my
choices for both compatibility as well as stocking level. First, a Midas
Blenny. Second, a Blackcap Basslet. Possibly a Bluespotted Jawfish (
not sure about sand depth ). Lastly, a Flame or Lemonpeel Angel. I've
considered adding all or some of these fish. Any advice would be greatly
appreciated. Shawn G. Baltimore, MD <Mmm, sounds like a very
nice system thus far... I'd make a choice between the Ecsenius and
Gramma... too likely to fight... the Jawfish will go fine here, but
likely need more fine substrate in a particular area (can be put in a
glass or polyethylene, i.e. chemically-inert) tray or such...) and do
make sure all exit holes are screened... The Centropyge choices are fine
here as well. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Reef Tank Temperature, Livestock, and General Advice –
06/20/08 I have a 55 gallon reef I retrofitted w- 325 watts
of Coralife compact fluorescent ½ 10K & ½ Actinic (sufficient for
corals below) <<Mmm, is debatable…I prefer to see a 70-30 mix of
10K to Actinic lighting…a 50-50 mix may look nice, but it is not as
“useful” to the photosynthetic organisms>> under a hood w- a rear
opening. I have 2 cooling fans salvaged (so not sure the CFM) from
an old PC, one @ each end, one inlet & one exhaust. <<A useful
employment>> The temperature consistently stays @ 82 degrees.
<<This is not “terrible” in my opinion>> Prior to adding the fans
it spiked to 86 & I lost 2 clown fish. <<Hmm, would have expected
this to be more of a problem to your corals than your fishes…perhaps
there are/were other aggravating circumstances>> My question is
can I get away w- the 82 degrees since there is not a swing in
temperature? <<It is my opinion that, yes, you can. This may not
be an “ideal” temperature as touted by many…but it is certainly
“survivable” in my experience…and maybe even more “natural,” if
you’ve ever heard/read Dr. Ron Shimek. As far as temperature goes,
I’ve been diving off the Big Island of Hawai’i a few times now (and
talking/thinking about it…getting the urge to go again!) and the
water temperature was during those visits was 82F…and not just at
the surface but down to about a 100ft depth. I would also like to
add that my own reef system often sees temperatures of up to 85F
(with no mortalities re) during the hot summer months here in SC>>
It seems to be pushing the limits I see published for acceptable
range but I have also read in more than one source that the swing is
more important than the actual temperature. <<That too is debated
by some, but having to take unknown factors/possible aggravating
circumstances in to consideration would deem some measure of
stability to be a good thing. In other words…for captive systems, it
may be best to keep the “straws” that could break the camel’s back
to a minimum>> How much affect does ambient air temperature
actually have? <<It does have an effect…but the heat producing
devices of the system (pumps, lights, etc.) are generally an
overriding factor>> We keep the house @ about 76-78 degrees but I
could possibly add a window unit in this room (assuming I can ever
get the window unstuck). <<You would likely need to keep the room
uncomfortably cool to have much effect here. But adding more/more
powerful fans to step up evaporative cooling is certainly an
option…I would put one over your sump as well>> Filtration &
Flow: 50 pounds live rock w- 1" sand bed Wet / Dry w- filter
pad & Seachem Purigen & PhosGuard & charcoal (plan to replace
PhosGuard & charcoal w- Seachem's SeaGel) Could I put the media
in the overflow or should they stay where the bio balls would go? No
bio balls. <<I would keep this where you have it. I am not a fan
of placing items within/restricting overflows>> Excalibur SV1
skimmer in sump 600 GPH return 2 600 GPH Koralia 2 in opposite
top corners 1 600 GPH power head next to overflow behind the rock
¾ of way down tank. The overflow is off-center @ about 1/3 of the
tank length. Is the above sufficient when compared w- the info
above & below? <<Livestock incompatibilities aside…yes>>
Inhabitants as follows: 2 Peppermint Shrimp 2 False Perc's
1 Brittle Star 6 Red Leg Hermits 20ish Astrea (increase)
Green Sinularia Xenia Finger Leather (Lobophytum) Green
Stripe Mushroom (Actinodiscus) Bubble Coral (Plerogyra sinuosa)
Ruffled Ridge (Turbinaria) Candy Cane (Caulastrea) Green Star
Polyp (Briareum) Pink Tip Anemone (Condylactis, (passiflora or
gigantea not sure)) <<Mmm…trouble waiting…in this mix of sessile
inverts>> Mistake w- the anemone? It is new. <<In my
opinion…yes. This tank is too small and likely too densely populated
for such an animal. I predict problems one way or the other>>
Water parameters: Salinity 1.023 (should I raise slightly?)
<<Yes…closer to NSW levels of 1.025/1.026>> Ammonia, Nitrate,
Nitrite consistently 0 Calcium 420 Carbonate Hardness KH 8
PH 8.2-8.3 Would like to add to tank: 1 Six Line Wrasse
(Pseudocheilinus hexataenia) <<Can be a terror in this relatively
small system…even if added last>> 1 Lawnmower Blenny (Salarias
fasciatus) <<Again…the size of the tank may preclude this fish
getting enough to eat/being able to meet its nutritional
requirements>> 1 Royal Gramma (Gramma loreto) <<An excellent
choice for this size system>> 2 Kaudern's Cardinal's (Pterapogon
kauderni) Would the additional livestock on the wish list be too
much for this tank & do you see any compatibility issues? <<You
don’t list any “current” piscine livestock…if that is the case then
no, not “too” much…otherwise, compatibility issues are already
noted>> I think I may have done too much to fast but have had no
major problems as of yet. Would definitely like your opinion of the
overall system & any advice on changes that may need to be made.
<<Your “mechanicals” seem fine, though “I” would likely upgrade the
skimmer to a suitable Euro-Reef or AquaC model. And you have my
thoughts on your livestock as well>> Thanks for all you do, your
site has been my best source of information. <<Is quite the
collective effort…we are pleased you have found it to be of benefit.
Regards, EricR>> Reef
Tank Temperature, Livestock, and General Advice – 06/22/08
Thank you so much for the detailed & informative reply, <<Quite
welcome>> you guys are the best! <<Thank you…talented and
knowledgeable ladies here too>> The lights that caused the spike
were added in advance of all corals except for the 1 Turbinaria & 1
Actinodiscus that came with the tank. <<Okay>> I feel much
better knowing someone with your depth of experience is successful
at these temperatures. <<Mmm, yes…well…no room for error at these
extremes (85F/86F)…But I think your tank’s current temperature of
82F is quite manageable>> I will definitely add an additional fan
over for the sump though. <<Will help>> As far as current fish
there are the 2 False Perc's that is all. <<I see>> Was the
anemone the only "problem child" you saw in my invert mix? <<You
have a popular “garden variety” mix of organisms which are
problematic if not managed well…but yes, the anemone is the real
“problem child” there>> For the Lawnmower Blenny (Salarias
fasciatus) would it be acceptable to supplement feeding with an
algae clip? <<These fish sometimes just don’t take to prepared
foods…might be best to culture algae on some live rock in a separate
container and “swap out” as needed Funny you mention the 6 Line
as a terror, <<Have seen such in almost all instances…even in
large (300g+) tanks>> just two days ago at one of our LFS's they
had a Gramma loreto & Pseudocheilinus hexataenia in the same tank &
the Gramma appeared to be the bully! <<Gramma loreto can be
pugnacious…and differing circumstances/conditions govern
behavior…but this situation would likely reverse with time as the
Pseudocheilinus acclimates/matures>> I will keep my eyes on
Craig’s list for a more suitable skimmer. <<Excellent>> Have a
great weekend (maybe a trip to Hawaii?) <<Ahh, if only it were
that easy! [grin]…but perhaps a trip in the not too distant future>>
Thanks <<Happy to share. Eric Russell>> (I just so happen to
have one of my 5 Coralife's dead center that is a 50/50 so I can
replace that with the 10K & get to a 60/40) <<Real good…is a more
“useful” mix. EricR>> |
Re: Custom 85 Gallon, reef set-up/stkg. 6/20/08 Bob
<Meyer> Thanks for your quick response... <Welcome> Current
corals consist of LPS, Zoanthids, Kenya Tree, Blastomussa, mushrooms and
Open Brain. I plan on sticking with these types of low to medium light
requirement species. I may look at a sponges and gorgonians once the
new tank has a chance to cycle. <Mmm, do read re the needs and
compatibility of what you list here> The current fish that I have
that will be housed in the new tank are a Yellow Tang, two Yellow Tail
Damsels, a Three Striped Damsel and a variety of reef critters that
include snails, Sand Sifting Starfish, Red Legged Hermits and a Black
Cucumber for detritus removal. My hope is that my local fish store will
be able acquire a Aquillies Tang for me. So far, no luck. <... And re
Achilles Tangs. BobF>
Reef Tank Temperature, Livestock, and General Advice – 06/20/08 I
have a 55 gallon reef I retrofitted w- 325 watts of Coralife compact
fluorescent ½ 10K & ½ Actinic (sufficient for corals below) <<Mmm, is
debatable…I prefer to see a 70-30 mix of 10K to Actinic lighting…a 50-50
mix may look nice, but it is not as “useful” to the photosynthetic
organisms>> under a hood w- a rear opening. I have 2 cooling fans
salvaged (so not sure the CFM) from an old PC, one @ each end, one inlet
& one exhaust. <<A useful employment>> The temperature
consistently stays @ 82 degrees. <<This is not “terrible” in my
opinion>> Prior to adding the fans it spiked to 86 & I lost 2 clown
fish. <<Hmm, would have expected this to be more of a problem to your
corals than your fishes…perhaps there are/were other aggravating
circumstances>> My question is can I get away w- the 82 degrees since
there is not a swing in temperature? <<It is my opinion that, yes,
you can. This may not be an “ideal” temperature as touted by many…but it
is certainly “survivable” in my experience…and maybe even more
“natural,” if you’ve ever heard/read Dr. Ron Shimek. As far as
temperature goes, I’ve been diving off the Big Island of Hawai’i a few
times now (and talking/thinking about it…getting the urge to go again!)
and the water temperature was during those visits was 82F…and not just
at the surface but down to about a 100ft depth. I would also like to add
that my own reef system often sees temperatures of up to 85F (with no
mortalities re) during the hot summer months here in SC>> It seems to
be pushing the limits I see published for acceptable range but I have
also read in more than one source that the swing is more important than
the actual temperature. <<That too is debated by some, but having to
take unknown factors/possible aggravating circumstances in to
consideration would deem some measure of stability to be a good thing.
In other words…for captive systems, it may be best to keep the “straws”
that could break the camel’s back to a minimum>> How much affect does
ambient air temperature actually have? <<It does have an effect…but
the heat producing devices of the system (pumps, lights, etc.) are
generally an overriding factor>> We keep the house @ about 76-78
degrees but I could possibly add a window unit in this room (assuming I
can ever get the window unstuck). <<You would likely need to keep the
room uncomfortably cool to have much effect here. But adding more/more
powerful fans to step up evaporative cooling is certainly an option…I
would put one over your sump as well>> Filtration & Flow: 50
pounds live rock w- 1" sand bed Wet / Dry w- filter pad & Seachem
Purigen & PhosGuard & charcoal (plan to replace PhosGuard & charcoal w-
Seachem's SeaGel) Could I put the media in the overflow or should
they stay where the bio balls would go? No bio balls. <<I would keep
this where you have it. I am not a fan of placing items
within/restricting overflows>> Excalibur SV1 skimmer in sump 600
GPH return 2 600 GPH Koralia 2 in opposite top corners 1 600 GPH
power head next to overflow behind the rock ¾ of way down tank. The
overflow is off-center @ about 1/3 of the tank length. Is the above
sufficient when compared w- the info above & below? <<Livestock
incompatibilities aside…yes>> Inhabitants as follows: 2 Peppermint
Shrimp 2 False Perc's 1 Brittle Star 6 Red Leg Hermits 20ish
Astrea (increase) Green Sinularia Xenia Finger Leather
(Lobophytum) Green Stripe Mushroom (Actinodiscus) Bubble Coral
(Plerogyra sinuosa) Ruffled Ridge (Turbinaria) Candy Cane
(Caulastrea) Green Star Polyp (Briareum) Pink Tip Anemone
(Condylactis, (passiflora or gigantea not sure)) <<Mmm…trouble
waiting…in this mix of sessile inverts>> Mistake w- the anemone? It
is new. <<In my opinion…yes. This tank is too small and likely too
densely populated for such an animal. I predict problems one way or the
other>> Water parameters: Salinity 1.023 (should I raise
slightly?) <<Yes…closer to NSW levels of 1.025/1.026>> Ammonia,
Nitrate, Nitrite consistently 0 Calcium 420 Carbonate Hardness KH
8 PH 8.2-8.3 Would like to add to tank: 1 Six Line Wrasse
(Pseudocheilinus hexataenia) <<Can be a terror in this relatively
small system…even if added last>> 1 Lawnmower Blenny (Salarias
fasciatus) <<Again…the size of the tank may preclude this fish
getting enough to eat/being able to meet its nutritional requirements>>
1 Royal Gramma (Gramma loreto) <<An excellent choice for this size
system>> 2 Kaudern's Cardinal's (Pterapogon kauderni) Would the
additional livestock on the wish list be too much for this tank & do you
see any compatibility issues? <<You don’t list any “current” piscine
livestock…if that is the case then no, not “too” much…otherwise,
compatibility issues are already noted>> I think I may have done too
much to fast but have had no major problems as of yet. Would definitely
like your opinion of the overall system & any advice on changes that may
need to be made. <<Your “mechanicals” seem fine, though “I” would
likely upgrade the skimmer to a suitable Euro-Reef or AquaC model. And
you have my thoughts on your livestock as well>> Thanks for all you
do, your site has been my best source of information. <<Is quite the
collective effort…we are pleased you have found it to be of benefit.
Regards, EricR>>
Stocking Plan & Clean-Up Crew Questions, SW... reef... 06/06/2008
Good evening, <Sean> I've been researching for many months in
preparation for setting up my new tank. Your site, with its articles and
FAQs, has been an absolutely fantastic resource along the way. This is
the first time I've actually asked any questions, so I've been saving up
quite a few along the way. I hope I'm not using up my quota here...
<Not even close> Background and proposed fish plan: My tank, which
is cycling now, is 110 gallons with 110 lbs. of LR and a 2-3" sand bed.
<Some might say a "tweener"... that this bed should be either shallower
or deeper> The 15 gallon sump includes mechanical filtration, carbon,
protein skimmer, heater and poly filter. Also considering a UV
sterilizer, refugium and/or chiller if they appear necessary. I'm using
an RO/DI to filter the water used in the tank. Here are my "must" haves
(showing max. adult size): * Dwarf Zebra Lionfish (7") * Lemon
Butterflyfish (5") * Flame Angel (4") * Coral Beauty Angel (4")
* True Percula Clown (4") OR Maroon Clown (6") * LPS Corals
Questions about the fish plan: * Would the percula be big enough to
avoid the lion's menu if I get it first and give it a head start on
growth? The FAQs weren't clear. <A bit of a gamble... as these Lions
can really "open up" their mouths> * If the percula is too small, I
can go with the maroon, but is that too aggressive for the butterfly,
even if I get the butterfly first and give it plenty of time to settle
in before introducing the maroon? <Premnas are always a wild card...
if it's allowed to be the alpha fish here, there are many "bommies" of
coral (vs. the usual stacked wall), there should be little problem...>
* If the percula is not too small, would a pair be OK? I understand
that, in a pair, one stays smaller, so I wonder if the smaller would be
at risk...? <With the Lion, yes> * I realize that there is some
risk to the LPS from the butterfly and the two angels. Is this mostly a
matter of limited growth/appearance if nipping occurs, or will I lose
the nipped LPS? <Good odds here of there being minimal damage... the
tank is big enough, and there is sufficient forage on the 110 # of rock>
If one or more of the fish decide to nip, is it likely to be with all my
LPS, or would some be safe (in which case I could just remove any that
are under attack)? <Yes... to the sump/refugium easily> Questions
about the clean-up crew for this setup: * Starfish -- Would serpent,
brittle and Fromia stars provide sufficient detritus removal, sand
shifting and algae control (in combination with the above fish) that I
shouldn't need snails, hermits or other crabs? <Mmm, yes... do read
re their suitable selection, use... I would eschew sandsifting stars
here> * Hermits & Snails -- From one FAQ, it appears that these
should be OK, since their shells are too hard for the lion to eat. Even
if the stars could handle the load, would you still recommend some
hermits and/or snails? In particular, would it make sense to still use
Nassarius snails to stir the sand? <I do like Nassarius... there is
some chance of a Lion inhaling both groups... and am not a fan of
necessarily myself...> * Other Crabs -- From one FAQ, it appears that
a large emerald crab would not be on the lion's menu. Would the same
hold true for a large sally lightfoot crab, since they appear to reach
the same 3" max size? <Again, I would take care in introducing
decapods... they are destructive> * Coral Banded Shrimp (CBS) vs. a
Wrasse for keeping bristle worms in check - I saw one FAQ indicating
that a dwarf lion probably wouldn't bother a large CBS and another
indicating that a CBS would definitely be lunch. Is it really a matter
of luck? <To a degree, yes. When it molts... is fair game esp.>
The other alternative frequently noted in FAQs is adding a wrasse. With
a dwarf lion, is a 5" wrasse big enough to avoid being inhaled?
<S/b, yes> If so, which of the following would be your choice for
handling bristles and possibly flatworms without harassing the lion or
butterfly: Melanurus, Yellow Coris, Puddingwife, Radiant, Neon, Pinkface
(Five Stripe), Eightline? <The Yellow Halichoeres/Coris> I know
wrasses like to beat up snails, but would any of these leave the
Nassarius snails in the sand alone? <Likely so> Between a wrasse
and a CBS, what would be your recommendation in this setup? <the
Wrasses> * Bubble Algae - From what I've come across, looks like Kole
tangs and emerald crabs are the best for eating this. Which would you
recommend in this setup? <The Kole> If the emerald won't get
eaten, that would be my preference, since the Kole tang would tax the
bio load and might be too aggressive for the butterfly and/or lion,
though it would help with algae control in general. Questions about
a possible addition to the mix: * Hawkfish -- Would an arc-eye be too
aggressive for the lion and/or butterfly, or would a Longnose be better
in this set-up without being at risk of becoming lionfish food? <The
Longnose> Some of the FAQs seemed to indicate that some hawks like
flame and Longnose would leave the larger shrimps (like CBS), hermits
and other crabs (like emerald) alone. Would that hold true for the
arc-eye as well as the Longnose? <Mmm, no... all Cirrhitids are keen
crustacean hunters, eaters> Thanks VERY much for your help. Sean
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Stocking, reef - 6/3/08
Hello again everyone, <Hello Marc> I was just trying to get your
professional opinion on stock for a 75 gallon tank. <Well, not
‘professional’, but I’ll see if I can help. I sure love to opine!>
What I have right now is a maroon clown, a Firefish, three chromis, a
chalk bass, three emerald crabs, a lawnmower blenny, a feather duster, a
six-line wrasse, a cleaner shrimp and an assortment of snails and hermit
crabs. I also have several soft corals, mostly mushrooms. For filtration
I have a Remora Pro, 80 lbs of live rock and three Hydor water pumps. I
do a ten to twenty percent water change once a week. I was hoping to
add a dwarf angel, probably a flame angel, or a coral beauty. If that
bio load sounds reasonable, do you think I could add any of the
following, two more Firefish, three more chromis, a flasher wrasse, a
diamond goby, or a Kole tang? First and foremost, I would like to add
the angel, if you think that would work, do you thing I could add
anymore, or is that overkill? If so, which ones? <Personally I’d stop
where you are; your tank is pretty full right now. If your heart is set
on bigger water changes and you’re ready to deal with possible territory
issues, I think all options are equally weighted- with the exception of
the tang. I am hesitant to recommend any tang in a 75, certainly not one
with other large inhabitants. Another Firefish or two might be your best
bet.> And I'm sorry, just one more question. <Answers are cheaper
in bulk.> I have some soft corals, mushrooms, polyps, and xenia. I
have a Coralife compact fluorescent with two 65 watt bulbs. I want to
add more light. I'm stuck between another light like I have now and
still use the old one, or adding a t-5 fixture with four 54 watt bulbs,
in your opinion, what light would I be better off with? <Lighting is
a complicated issue. The t-5 will give a better quality light watt for
watt, but the PC will be less expensive. I’ve found that it’s always
best to plan far ahead- upgrading to your top equipment right away saves
a lot of money on intermediates. If you think you ever might want more
light, you may wish to consider a larger t-5 setup. I’m sure other crew
members have ideas about this as well, perhaps they will chime in. Like
I mentioned, a complicated issue with a lot of divergent opinions.>
Thanks again for the help, <No problem.> Marc <Benjamin>
Too many fish? Reef 4/19/08 Hey guys, I've got an
established 125 g reef tank with a 25 g sump, 130 lbs live sand and 125
lbs of live rock. My question is if you think I have too many fish? 5
chromis viridis 2 pajama cardinals 1 sixline wrasse 1
Rainford's goby 1 lawnmower blenny 2 twin spot gobies 2
firefish gobies 1 green clown goby 2 saddleback clownfish 1
orange shoulder tang <May become a terror. Keep your eye on this
fish> 1 Desjardins tang 1 fathead anthias I change 10 gallons
of water every week and I've never had any troubles with ammonia,
nitrate or nitrite levels. I know it seems like alot <No such word>
of fish, but I thought that many are so small, it is ok. The sad thing
is, I want a mimic tang also. I think it's best I remember the old
Japanese saying "Look at a passing beauty as you would a passing cloud."
thanks, Alan <Good axiom. I think you'll be fine with what you have.
Bob Fenner>
Picasso and Ricordea Directions for stocking new mixed
reef/fish/invert system 4-3-08 Hey Guys, <<Joshua.>> Got a
few questions for you: <<Okay.>> First, I am planning over the
next couple months to get my 80 gal reef tank up and running with a 4-5"
DSB and live rock. I wanted to run my possible fish ideas by you and see
if you saw any major conflicts. <<Okay.>> 1-2 Yellowheaded
Jawfish, a couple neon gobies, a couple Falcula Butterflies, <<I
would not go with more than one.>> 1-2 fairy wrasse and the real
iffys---a hippo tang <<Skip the latter in this size tank.>> and a
really small Picasso Trigger. <<I foresee possible
aggression/predation issues in the long term…particularly with the more
benthic fish, like the Jawfish and the goby.>> The game plan is to
let everything settle in their nooks for a while before thinking about
adding the tang and/or trigger. <<I would forget about the former and
reconsider the latter, at least perhaps a different species. For any
trigger 80 gallons is pushing it to be honest, I would not feel
comfortable letting an adult live out his life in this size a
tank…especially with other tank mates.>> There will be lots of nooks
and crannies for fish to hide in my aquascape. <<…..If your trigger
doesn’t rearrange it as he ages, hehe.>> I don't know much yet about
the hippo tang, <<I encourage you to research it, by all means gain
knowledge, but in the end I would surmise you too will see it is not a
good match for your aquarium.>> but according to what I've read, the
Picasso wont really harm my reef as they feed mostly on shrimp and
stuff. how reliable is that if I am diligent to keep it fed and healthy?
<<As far as predatory behavior goes, the trigger would much rather have
crustaceans, bivalves and slow moving fish over cnidarians. However,
this does not exclude them from “playing” with or abusing your Cnidarian
life by attacking/moving them directly or the underlying rockwork. In
particular if you get into stony corals it may use them as a dog uses a
dried bone. The point? There is a risk.>> Will he or the tang try to
eat any corals I would like to add? <<The tang? Not very likely, the
trigger? See above.>> Second, my tank is 21" deep counting the DSB
and according to my math, I am totally unsure whether I should wait and
invest in metal halide or stay with power compact. <<Either way I
would not go with PowerCompact, the design of the bulb itself is
somewhat flawed for this application. The bent back on itself design
literally causes the bulb to cook itself, and the lumens depreciate very
quickly. This means you would have to replace the bulbs every 6 to 9
months for optimal par ratings. Besides that, aesthetically, they don’t
produce the color that T-5HO or VHO produce. If you go the route of
florescent lighting look into T-5 HO. As far as what lighting I would
pick for you? It really depends on the targeted photosynthetic,
zooxanthellae hosting animals you plan to keep.>> I would like to
have both SPS and LPS eventually but would around 550 watts from 4 x 64
watt power compact be ok? <<See my above comments re:. Look into
Sanjay Joshi Articles for an in depth look. For what you are aiming for
a think x2, 150 watt DE MH would be good, supplemented by T-5HO
fluorescents. HOWEVER, that is a VERY general guide, please research
diligently and pick a lighting system that best matches.>> Lastly, I
have a beautiful Ricordea floridae that has grown green/blue and
beautiful. Recently I accidentally acquired an annoying white sponge
with a hair like crown that is multiplying like crazy. A large one was
growing on rock under my Ricordea so I used a pair of Needlenose to
gently lift up its size and pull out the sponge. Now my Ricordea has
folded in half away from that side and has stayed like that for a month
now. Tried relocating just leaving it alone but nothing has changed it.
What should I do? <<Sponges like corals, are very adept in secreting
allopathic compounds, Best you can do is provide optimal water
parameters and run some extra carbon.>> Thanks for all your help! Its
priceless! <<Welcome.>> Josh <<Adam J.>>
Tank stocking, Emperor Angel – 04/1/08 Good morning crew..
Do you think I could add a Juvenile Imperator Angel to this community?
I'd add it last. I am also aware that this fish may not be suitable for
reef systems. <A 210 gal. will ultimately be too small (a few years),
and not very reef "safe" no. B>
Tank stocking, reef 4/1/08 Hello Bob <Wayne>
Thank you for making your time and experience available to so many
hobbyists. WetWebMedia is a great site. I've been using it for many
years. <Please send all corr. there... I automatically delete the
vast maj. of "junk" that comes through here> I'd appreciate your
advice on a new tank I'm setting up. I have a 210 that is cycling,
with a 55gal refugium and AquaC EV-240 skimmer. 750 watts of MH
lighting, and 156 watts of actinic lighting, and 220 lbs of LR. I
ultimately plan on having a mixed reef, mostly LPS, and some SPS.
I've been working on a community list for my tank, and here is where I
would appreciate your advise. I'm planning on keeping... 7 Blue
Chromis 3 Resplendent Anthias (1 male, 2 females) 1 Purple
Firefish 1 Helfrichi Firefish 1 Yellow Tang 1 Hippo Tang 2
Ocellaris Clownfish 2 Midas Blennies I also intend to keep snails,
shrimp and Serpent stars for a cleanup crew. All fish will be
quarantined. My question (s)... In which order would you add the
above fish? <Damsels first, the Anthias last... the rest really
don't matter much> Do you think I could add any more fish than the
above list? <Yes> Thanks - Wayne <BobF>
New Tank Questions, stocking 3/24/08 I have been a lurker on
your site for a week now and really appreciate the knowledge you all
impart. I am the beneficiary of lots of "advice by several LFS in
my area. Briefly, I have an oceanic 200gal reef ready tank, sump
with protein skimmer (CoralLife - I know, its what they sold me!)
<Can always upgrade.> 200 lbs life rock, W/D in sump and Solaris
light system (I don't want to buy a chiller!). <Neat, an LED
system.> It has been running since the middle of February and I
dose twice a week with liquid reef. Temp is 79.2 in morning, 79.7 in
the heat of day. nitrate/nitrite/ammonia are 0.0 PH is 8.0. <A
little low.> I don't test for Ca (I bought a kit today) but the
LFS tested it at 260 (I think she made a mistake, the girl mentioned
she had to multiply a number and asked someone else what it was and
then said 260) but when I add the liquid reef, some of it
precipitates out as I have black crumbly rock all over the bottom
after dosing. <Need to test for alkalinity as well, see here
about how they relate to each other
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm .> Long story short.
last weekend the LFS sold me a fire shrimp, large yellow leather
coral, an anthelia (sp?) frag, two clowns and a green haddoni
carpet. They said they would all be "easy" to keep. <A lesson to
trust no one but yourself.> As you know, as soon as he was
acclimated he first enlarged to twice his size, next morning it was
the size of a cookie with his mouth disgorged. he went from bad to
worse over the next few days while the LFS store said "its normal,
<Sadly this is normal, but then again dying is normal for the
majority anemones in captivity.> they do that to expel their
waste". It started to disintegrate this morning and I took it out.
The other fish are doing great, the shrimp has molted once, the
snails are laying eggs all over the place and the anthelia has
doubled in size! <Good> SO, what I would like to know is, what
are the proper corals, inverts and reef safe fish that a newbie can
add slowly over the next several months to add a) life, color and
interest and b) slowly ramp up my husbandry skills without
overtaxing the little guys? and c) who do I believe when some people
say sifting stars are great and carpet anemones are easy when the
other 50% say sifting stars will sterilize my DSB and carpets are
only for dedicated professionals???? Thanks in advance....
Dave in Dayton <There are so many options here, it would be
almost impossible to give much help. Your best bet is to check
several sources and go conservative. There are several very nice
books out there on corals and I would suggest checking them out.
Just stock very lightly initially, you have quite a bit or room
there so take your time in picking fish and enjoy the process. As
far as the star specifically, I in in the second group, although
once established I think your tank could support 1 star, but they
are not necessary or particularly beneficial.> <Chris>
Re: New Tank Questions, stocking 3/25/08 Wow are you guys
fast! <Sometimes> I am reading everything I can but your FAQs
are sometimes hard to read and I have limited time since I am in law
school. <As is my fiancé, so I understand that.> Regarding
testing for ph, ca+ etc. how do you feel about controllers like
Neptune and octopus. <I do everything the old fashioned way so I
have no direct experience with these, although they do generally
have quite good reputations.> Is there any one system that
monitors ALL important items to be tested? <Lots of choices, best
bet is to check out some of the larger boards to get a broad view of
that is available and how people like them.> I am at the point in
my life where I have more $$ than time and am being buried under a
mountain of test tubes and reagents! <Can happen.> Dave from
Dayton <Chris> |
Stocking order and capacity, reef 03/10/2008 Dear
Crew, <<G'Morning. Andrew today>> Thanks very much for this site.
I suspect it has saved thousands of fish from an early demise. I've been
reading about marine fishkeeping (including your Conscientious book) for
at least 5 years but finally got a tank when I had time and cash for it.
My setup is a FOWLR with the following specifications: 72 gallon
bowfront, about 10 gal sump with bioballs, skimmer, about 80 lbs of
"pre-cured" LR, 90 lbs sugar quality aragonite sand, 700 gph Mag Drive
pump, GFI, and compact fluorescents with LEDs for "moonlight." It's been
curing for almost 3 weeks. "Vitals" have been stable at 78F, 1.022, pH
8.4, and nitrate 20-40ppm. No ammonia or nitrites have been detected.
<<Do I take this as your curing this in the display tank....AKA
cycling?? If you are, are you using an ammonia source besides the
die-off from the live rock? As you say you have not had any readings for
ammonia and nitrite, I would say you need to provide an ammonia
source.>> I've got a trashcan full of heated saline in the basement,
and my wife is already calling me a fish geek. The live rock seems
healthy with lots of amphipods scurrying around, some small feather
dusters, and some other small tube shaped worms that come out at night.
I have no fish yet by my 2 year old and wife are READY . So am I.
Finally to my questions. 1. Is this an ok stocking order: Percula
Clownfish (Amphiprion percula) (4'') Firefish/Fire Goby
(Nemateleotris magnifica) (3.5") Royal Gramma (Gramma loreto) (4-5")
Coral Beauty Angel (Centropyge bispinosa) (4-5") OR Flame Angel
(Centropyge loricula) (4-5") Maybe Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens)
(8") OR Purple Tang (Zebrasoma xanthurum) (4-9") 1-2 Skunk Cleaner
Shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis) <<I would say, if anything regarding
the tangs, I would only add a yellow tang, and even at this, I would add
this with a view that an upgrade "may" be needed in the future. No
problems with the clowns, Firefish, Gramma or CB / FA>> Sorry about
the truncated email. I accidentally sent it. (Damn laptops). To
continue: possibly Orange Marble Starfish (Fromia monilis)
<<Ensure the star is well fed. Read more here and linked articles and
FAQ's http://www.wetwebmedia.com/seastars.htm >> 2. Is this too much
life for my current tank? I understand that the Angels and/or Tangs
wouldn't be appropriate for at least 6 months. I'd actually like to keep
more than one clownfish or Firefish but understand this is probably too
much unless I cut out and Angel and/or Tang. The LR is supposed to be
from Fiji. <<See above comments above about stocking, take note of
the tang comments. If it was me, I would leave the tangs
completely...Make the clowns into a pair and have the rest....>>
Thanks in advance and keep up the great work, Dr. Rich <<Thanks for
the questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>>
Fish stocking suggestions, reading 3/9/08 Hi Crew,
<Jason> I am considering changing my fish stocking profile for my 90
gallon reef and wanted your expert feedback on some suggestions I
recently received. I'm looking for colorful fish that swim around and
will be compatible with my current inhabitants. Most of my current fish
are real hiders, and the clowns are breeding so they are very
territorial. Here's what I have now: Pair b/w ocellaris (spend all
day in their xenia host) 5 blue Chromis (stopped schooling, now hide)
Purple Pseudochromis (loves to hide!) Bodianus bimaculatus (fairly
active) Flame angel (comes in and out) Lawnmower blenny First
off, the Chromis have been somewhat of a disappointment. They mainly
hang out at the back of the tank in two groups (the cool kids and the
rejects), though they used to swim around a lot more. I am thinking of
removing them (or all but one). <Not solitary animals> The
suggestions I've had so far are: Zebrasoma tangs <One> Fairy
wrasse <More than one...> Flasher wrasse <Ditto...>
Genicanthus angel Rabbitfish Any thoughts on one or more of these,
or specific species recommendations? Thanks! Jason <Posted...
learn to/use the search tool, indices on WWM. Bob Fenner>
Question - fish selection.. Stocking Tradeoffs, reef – 03/08/08
Hi there! <Hiya! Scott F. in today!> I love your site, and have
been reading long and hard in trying to decide the fish I would like to
stock. However, there is an absolutely amazing collection of fish out
there, and a huge variety of ways to do things, so I would like to get
inputs from others to see if this fish combination would work. From what
I can tell, it should - but of course my LFS is always much more
enthusiastic than I necessarily am. <Well, it's nice to have an
enthusiastic LFS! However, you need to use your judgment and gut
instincts to make these decisions, so I commend you for doing additional
research.> I now have a 92 gallon corner bow-front tank (moved from a
29 in mid- November) containing the following: Fish - 1 Purple Tang
(Zebrasoma xanthurum), 1 Sixline Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus hexataenia),
and as of today, 1 Bicolor Blenny (Ecsenius bicolor), who is scheduled
to be in quarantine for the next month. <Yaaayy! I'm thrilled to
hear that you embrace the WWM "mantra" of quarantine. It's an easy, yet
valuable procedure that will save you tons of heartache- and valuable
animals!> I know the Tang and Wrasse would usually be the last 2 in,
but here they are the only 2 that moved from the 29...hence some of my
questions. Tank - About 60 pounds of LR, a DSB, a Tunze 9010 skimmer
(I am aiming for moving it to a sump/refugium at Christmas), 1 each
Hydor Koralia 2 and 3 powerheads, and a MaxiJet 1200 powerhead. and a
variety of other critters - 4 Skunk Cleaner shrimp, 2 Blood Red shrimp,
1 or 2 Peppermint shrimp (they disappeared during the move, have
recently reappeared), 3-4 hermit crabs (all that remains), a variety of
snails (Astrea, an Olive, a Tiger Cowry, Nassarius, Ceriths, a small
Conch, and several Margarita), a small blue Tuxedo Urchin, a simple
gray- brown Brittle star, and 2 anemones (Eric identified them as
Bunodosoma cavernata…the Warty Sea Anemone). <That Eric guy knows his
stuff, I tell ya!> Corals - I have 2 Acroporas, 1 Stylophora, a
Caulastrea, a Micromussa, 2 Fungia (1 orange, 1 green), a green Favia,
an Acanthastrea, a very happy moon coral (Favites), some orange and
black Tubastrea, and a small Lobophyllia (was a rescue, seems to be
happy). <A neat collection of more-or-less compatible corals...I like
it. Do keep plenty of space between them, as some are a bit aggressive
at night and can nettle each other.> What I am curious about - some I
have read about, some I have not... 1. Will the Blenny do well with a
3 week quarantine? Also, from everything I have read, it should get
along fine with the other two fish - not the same zone, so they should
mostly ignore each other, right? <Wow- putting me on the spot, here!
In theory, these fishes occupy slightly different niches and "strata" in
the water column, and will not interact too much with each other. Of
course, in the confines of the aquarium, the dynamic is vastly different
and fishes do not always follow our behavioral expectations. If there
are enough hiding places, I do not believe that you will have too many
problems. However, the wrasse is known for being a bit of a tough
customer at times, despite its diminutive size, so be sure to keep an
eye on things. I have personally kept this wrasse with various Blennies
without incident over the years.> 2. Would a Flame Angel (Centropyge
loricula) and a group of 3 Canary Wrasses (Halichoeres chrysus) work
with these 3 fish? I understand the Centropyge should be scrappy enough
to contend with the Tang and Sixline Wrasse. <It can work, but that
would be it for stocking, as far as this aquarium is concerned. At some
point, the Tang might need larger quarters, or could become a behavioral
problem. I'd also be aware of the potential for the Angelfish to pick at
your corals. If you're willing to accept this risk (as a Centropyge
fanatic, I am!), it's a nice addition.> But I haven't been able to
find anything about how the Canary Wrasse would get along with the
Sixline - are they dissimilar enough to get along? I do understand that,
since I had my shrimp first, the Canary Wrasse should get along fine
with them as long as I feed my tank well. <Good thinking. I maintain
several Halichoeres species wrasses (including the Canary) and a
Pseudocheilinus tetrataenia without any problems, although my aquarium
is larger and contains lots of hiding spaces for everyone. The shrimp
are a potential meal, so it's a dice role regardless, IMO.> Other
fish I had looked at and discarded for one reason or another were the
Hippo Tang (tank too small, wrong shape), the Bannerfish (Heniochus
family - nips at corals, gets too big), Hawkfish (like shrimp - but so
do I), Chromis (just can't get excited about them), and Anthias (haven't
seen smaller ones that appeal)...so you can see I have been searching.
But boy, the choices can be overwhelming! <Yes they can, but you've
done a nice job!> Next, I am curious - I recently rearranged some of
my rocks so I can do several things. 1. I am going to add a modified
AquaClear 110 as a HOT refugium soon...I figure that should help with
copepod production. 2. I want to add some sea grass in a corner of my
tank. I have found very little information about this - is this possible
(my tank is 24" deep), or would the seagrass overrun my tank? I am open
to reading more about it - I haven't seen much so far that says I cannot
do it, but don't know who has tried it either. <Awesome! Seagrasses
are great! They will generally not overrun your aquarium, as they are
rather slow growing compared to many macroalgae. Check out
www.theseanursery.com for good information from seagrass expert and
hobbyist Sarah Lardizabal. An established, well fertilized substrate is
a good idea before attempting grasses.> 3. Once I get my copepod
production up some and get the DSB more mature, can I still add a
Hector's Goby (Amblygobius hectori) without overloading my bioload?
<I would avoid this fish in this situation. You will be maxed out, and
the food supply will be a challenge in all but the most established
aquarium for this fish, IMO.> I would greatly appreciate your input -
you are always tremendously helpful with your information, and it's
useful to get input other than just what my LFS recommends. I really
enjoy reading the FAQs daily...and I love the variety of opinions
expressed here, since I am definitely getting the impression that there
are as many ways to do this as there are people who have tanks.
<Amen!> Thanks tremendously for your help, Writing to you from snowy
and cold Kentucky, and looking forward to learning more at MACNA in
Atlanta, Kerstin:-) <Well, Kerstin, I'll see you there! I'm doing
a presentation on marine biotope aquaria, and I will touch on some of
the things that we've looked at here! Hope to chat with you then!
Regards, Scott F.>
Bioload Question, reef 3/7/08 Been reading the site now for
about 6 months, and learned a lot from this large data base of
information. I'm currently adding livestock to a 125 reef ready tank
with a 55 sump under it, got a CPR refugium (25.5" L x 4.5" W x 12" T)
and also have the sump set up as a refugium also. <Sounds good.>
Have 3 skimmers operating all the time, Red Sea Berlin venturi (I know
not the greatest but was cheap), AquaC HOT (old skimmer from old tank),
and a DIY skimmer from your website. Display has a 7" DSB, sump has
a 5" DSB, approximately 260 pounds of live rock. Lighting is two Icecap
400Watt Metal halide 12k Coralview lights suspended 15" above water,
Icecap 660 VHO with two 10k daylight bulbs, and two blue actinics.
Running the lighting 12 hours a day, with the sump having two 75 watt
bulbs running the opposite 12 hours. Main question is: I plan on adding
a Sailfin Tang, Blue Hippo Tang, Orangefin Tang, (aware of possible
fighting with tangs, will separate if becomes issue) mated pair of
Maroon Clowns, <These guys will not fit in with the rest of your
choices, too aggressive.> Flame Angel, Coral Beauty (aware of
possible aggression with angels also), Yellow Head Jawfish, Black Cap
Jawfish, Flame Hawk (aware is possible threat to shrimp), Royal Gramma,
Green Mandarin. Plan on having several SPS, and LPSs corals, with some
softies (running activated carbon on intake of sump). Do not plan on
having an anemone due to not a fan of them roaming around and having a
heyday with corals. Hoping to keep some clams, <The angels may pick
at the clams, reconsider.> Long Spine Urchin, two Fire Shrimp, two
cleaner shrimp, few Peppermint Shrimp. Any input on my system would be
appreciated. <Sounds OK to me seeing that you are aware of potential
problems.> Thanks <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)> -Daniel
55 gallon reef stocking 03/06/2008 Hi all! <<G'Morning, Andrew
today>> First off, I would like to thank you for the wonderful site -
i have found many answers to many questions here. <<Thanks for the
kind words>> I currently have a 55 gallon LPS reef, with about 60 lbs
of live rock, 50 lbs live sand, newly acquired ASM g1-x. My current fish
stock include 2 Perculas, 5 small chromis, 2 Firefish, and various
cleanup artists...My question is do i have room to ad possibly a small
wrasse and some kind of sand sifting goby? <<Size of your tank and
stocking, i would suggest not>> Which kind of goby would be best?
I have read that certain gobies such as the orange diamond goby can
wreak havoc on a DSB - what are your thoughts? By the way, nitrates stay
at about 5 - 10. I appreciate the insight, <<I think your
stocking levels are at the maximum as you currently are and would not
suggest adding anymore fish>> Scott <<Thanks for the questions, A
Nixon>>
New setup stocking question, reef 03/03/2008 Hello Crew!
<<G'Morning, Andrew today>> Fantastic site and I wish to extend
my own personal *thank you* for the hard work, dedication, and
information provided to all of us addicts! Unfortunately, even
after months of ready FAQs, articles, and Internet searches I still
find that I have questions. I would think that what I'm attempting
to do would be common, but perhaps not. <<We shall see as we go
through it>> For a brief background, I have been setting up my
first system, a 75 gallon, for nearly a year now. A few weeks ago I
finally got things to the point that the tank is cycling. This
includes a refugium, skimmer, automatic top of system, MH lighting,
as well as several custom built covers for keeping a few of these
species in the tank. Since a picture is worth a thousand words, I
have included links to photos at the end of this correspondence so
that you can see the setup. This system was designed with two
primary species in mind and the intent to stock corals for a full
fledged reef. <<Sounds like a hood plan and system>> The first
design consideration is Synchiropus splendidus (Mandarin). I am well
aware that these fish ted to have potential feeding issues. This
fish will not be attempted until copepod (most likely sourced via
oceanpods.com) and amphipods (most likely sourced via ipsf.com) have
been stocked in the refugium and allowed to "socialize" for a great
deal of time. <<Goo deal...Best waiting for at least 9 months or
more before considering attempting a mandarin>> My next design
consideration was for some form of Opistognathus (Jawfish). My
original plan was for Opistognathus rosenblatti until I read on WWM
that they were a cooler water species. I would like to house more
than one for the interaction, so I am leaning towards a pair of
Opistognathus aurifrons instead. Again these are a special needs
fish, so the tank has been filled with ample substrate of various
particle sizes to accommodate burrows. <<Superb...Such a great
fish to see in an aquarium>> In fact one end of the tank has
around six to seven inches of aragonite while the other end has four
to five inches. Again, links to photos are provided for reference.
<<Looks very good to me Just ensure that any live rock is touching
the bottom of the tank, and not resting on sand, as once the
burrowing starts, the potential for live rock shifts could be
there>> While on the subject of a deep substrate, I am also
having trouble deciphering the "clean up crew" issue for stirring of
the substrate. It seems to me that species that "stir" devour
everything that I wish to propagate for the benefit of the mandarin,
limited DSB, and other inhabitants. Are micro stars safe or not,
what about "sand bed clams", and snails? <<A good crew of snail
and reef safe hermits will do a good job. Some brittle stars are ok,
read more here http://www.wetwebmedia.com/brittlestars.htm >> Oh,
I'm also planning on getting some worms to seed both the display and
refugium. If I could get a few recommendations or sources on this
subject I would greatly appreciate it. I will of course need the
algae eaters as well but those seem to be easy to pick out. <<A
cup of sand from an already established reef would be far better in
my opinion>> Now that we're on the topic of stocking questions, I
need a few names to research as far as fish are concerned. I would
like to find something small that would give me a nice "group" of
swimmer(s) for the middle to upper range of the tank. <<Chromis
fish school well, in groups of 5 or more, give a nice colour to the
tank>> The issue that I seem to run into are that species that I
seem to pick out all like to burrow in the sand (which I do not
believe would make my future Opistognathus very happy), create a
greater demand on the copepod population (which I know everything
will to some extent but...), or are too aggressive for other
inhabitants or each other. I'm thinking along the lines of 3 - 5 for
the group. Any suggestions? <<As above, chromis are a good
schooling fish, a nice group of Clownfish, some Anthiinae school
well also. I would not be overly too worried about copepod
population of the sandbed, they will also colonise on the rock, the
refugium will be the biggest pod growth centre>> One last note. I
do have a maroon clown that will eventually get placed in the
display, but my intention is to have this placed last if at all
possible. She came with the purchase of a used setup and has since
been in a 10 gallon QT tank. Not the most ideal of situations but
she seems happy and certainly healthy! <<Don't see any problems.
Just research the compatibility of future inhabitants>>
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m127/Umbra_Vipera/AquariumPhotos/75%20Gallon%20Setup/P2270024.jpg
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<<Nice photos, thanks>> A couple of the photos have a tape
measure in them for reference. That tape is about 2 inches short due
to the fact that the tank sits IN the stand not ON the stand. Also,
if you go to the following link
http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m127/Umbra_Vipera/AquariumPhotos/75%20Gallon%20Setup/?albumview=grid
you can view all the photos in the album. Some are OK some not...I'm
not a professional photographer either. <<Enjoyed browsing
through you photo library, some nice shots in there>> Thank you
for time. Sincerely, Heath Carter <<Thanks for the questions,
hope this helps. A Nixon>> | 
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