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Surface splash vs.
water movement 2/6/08
Neale, I hope you get this one. You've been so helpful to me and so
many others. I'll try to make it as short as possible.
<Hello again Mitzi!>
I'm putting my Oscar (and a young common plec) into an 8' long 250 gal
tank and am crossed-eyed reading about filtering options and surface
agitation. I still haven't found a definitive answer.
I've always used HOB filters and don't want to mess with sumps or
drilling.
<Indeed.>
The important question I have is this....do I need actual surface
agitation if I've got more than adequate *water turnover*?
<The latter is more important than the former, though more specifically
what you want (especially with catfish) is a filter that effectively
draws water from the bottom of the tank and sloshes it out at the top of
the tank. In other words, circulation. If the filter inlet is only
halfway down the depth of the tank (as is often the case with smaller
filters) then the bottom layer of water might hardly move at all. Thing
of the surface area at the top as the "lungs" and the water in the tank
as the "blood"; the job of the filter pump is to be the "heart", pulling
all the water through the top if the tank periodically so it can be
re-vitalised with more oxygen and get rid of any CO2..
I'm going to use external canister filters (pond filters maybe) that
will give me 10-13 times the turnover rate per hour with no airstones.
<Should be ample, especially if the inlet and outlet are pipes are
placed strategically around the tank to maximise circulation.>
Do I need something that actually splashes the water's surface like a
hang on back filter does?
<The splashing is a nice thing to have because it "folds" the surface
area, effectively increasing it (to go back to our pulmonary metaphor,
rather like the alveoli in your lungs). But is it essential? No.>
Or is water movement equivalent to surface agitation?
<Water movement, provided it is circulating the water in the whole tank,
is better.>
Thank you so much for your time. Sometimes the simplest things aren't
quite so simple when you think too hard about them.
Mitzi
<Ah, but sometimes if you think about them in simple terms, they become
simple again. Water circulation, like filtration, can be made overly
complicated when you worry about whether this system or that system is
better. When you actually come right down to it, the basic principle is
very simple, and so is the solution. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Surface splash
vs. water movement 2/6/08
That makes me feel better about the whole thing. My goal was to have
no dead spots. I want to put two 900 gph pumps attached to canister
filters at the ends plus a couple magnetic 1050 gph powerheads. If I can
just use U-shaped return hoses hung every 2 feet on the back of the
tank, I can put the ends of the hoses at the top of the water level.
It'll move the water a little when it goes
it but it won't be a big splash like the HOB filters. The LFS owner said
to use powerheads that shoot air into the water, but I want my
powerheads towards the bottom (like your idea) so it pushes the bottom
water towards the filters. The LFS said "just drill it and use a sump"
but I don't want to mess with plumbing and don't want to have the tank
drilled. I just wanted it to be as simple as possible. Do you think it
will work the way I want to do it?
<Probably.>
I'm in his tank every day vacuuming his sand, it drives me nuts having
"fish poo" on the bottom. I'm hoping lots of water movement will shove
it all right into the canister filter :-) The LFS said it's
"over-filtering" for 2 fish but I don't think that's possible with an
Oscar and a Plec.
<Indeed.>
I just don't want the fish to be shoved around the tank. Do you think
it'll be too much water movement?
<The Plec will certainly be fine, since they're adapted to rivers, and
can suck themselves onto things if they feel overwhelmed. Many of the
Loricariidae (though not the common plecs) are rheophilic in the wild,
i.e., they actually prefer rapids over other parts of the river. As for
the Oscar, this depends on the fish and how turbulent the water is. What
Oscars don't want to is lots of churning water. But a good steady flow,
with perhaps one or two gentle spots behind big rocks or bits of wood,
should be fine. I wouldn't go over 8 or 10 times the volume of the tank
in turnover though, at least, not initially. It takes a while for fish
to get themselves used to stronger water current if they've been in
sluggish water beforehand.>
Thank you!
Mitzi
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Surface splash vs. water
movement -02/06/08
Thanks, Neale. I may start out with slower pumps and see how it goes. He's
got an 850 gph and 4 Emperor 400 Bio-wheels on his 6' tank now and does fine
with them. Plays in the powerhead all the time like Loaches do-hilarious.
Thank you for answering the "splash vs. water movement' question for me! That
was my main concern.
Mitzi
<Cool. Good luck with the home improvements! Neale.>
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Overflows and
return pumps, FW... 8/8/07
Hello Crew!
<Danny>
I have an 86 gallon FW heavily planted tank with a 20 gallon
sump (still under construction, the sump not the tank), and an
external, HOB overflow box. I am using an Eheim 1261 return pump
with 3/4'' plumbing to the tank, and I mistakenly used 1" drain
plumbing from the overflow to the sump. The pump, needless to
say, overwhelms my overflow. To rectify this, I was thinking of
adding a ball valve to the return to throttle back the return
pump.
<Mmm, perhaps better to divert this excess flow back to/through
the sump... via a Tee and a valve...>
But, I want to upgrade the drain.
Should I go with 1-1/4" drain or 1-1/2" drain?
<The bigger the better... for flow, as well as noise reduction.
But... better still would/will be to add yet another overflow
box if going that route>
I don't really want to throttle back the pump, if I don't have
to. I want to avoid overrunning the overflow at all costs. The
overflow has a 1-1/4" bulkhead, but it also has a 1" pipe for
holding the pre-filter. It seems that no matter what size drain
I use, the 1" pipe is going to be my bottle neck.
<Yes>
I have heard of drilling holes in the 1" pipe to alleviate the
bottleneck there, but I think it will introduce a lot of noise.
Any suggestions? Is there any downside to restricting the return
pump (aside from the obvious loss of gph?)?
Thanks,
Danny
<Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marsetupindex2.htm
the yellow tray... re plumbing... The same input applies here to
all tank types. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Question about sand and filter impellers – 06/11/07
Hello everyone,
<Hello.>
I have a question about sand's effect on hang-on filters. I added some
extremely, extremely fine sand to my tank (it's by Zoo-Med, called
"Repti-sand"). It's made of quartz and is very, very fine and light, so much
that it took about 2 days until the water was clear after I added it to the
existing tank. Really, it's more like dust than sand. Anyway, I have four
emerald Cory's in there now, and they love scooting around in it and it's
very soft so it's easy on their bodies. It also hasn't affected my pH. I've
had it like that for about a week and a half, and then last night the filter
started making some grinding noises, so I pulled it out, rinsed it out (some
sand came out) and tried to get it to work a few times. Then I looked online
and read about impellers, and I saw that the impeller was broken (its blades
go around and around). Do you think it's the sand that caused it, or my
jiggling it around and taking it apart a few times trying to get it to work,
perhaps not being gentle enough, that did it? That one was a Penguin
Bio-wheel, and I got a new one today, an Aqua Clear with the different style
of filtration. This one's making kind of a gritty noise as well, and I'm
afraid it will break, too. Is this a common problem? Do you think I should
get rid of the sand, or at least get some heavier sand that isn't so easily
disturbed and sucked up into the filter? I do want to keep some sort of sand
because I want to get kuhli loaches later on.
<Sand can damage the impellers of pumps. It isn't common though. I use
silica sand in all my aquaria, and while sand sometimes gets stuck inside
the filter canister, it doesn't seem to do any harm. But your own mileage
may vary! Silica sand in particular is quite heavy and settles very quickly.
The only time it gets into the water column (and thus into the filter) is
when a big catfish decides to swish into the sand and dig herself a burrow.
Small things, like Corydoras, simply don't push the sand far enough off the
substrate to cause problems. Now, if sand gets inside the impeller, it can
quite possibly cause some rattling noise. In the long term, anything that
clogs filter media forces the impeller to work harder, and puts all its
components under more stress. You probably want to make sure the filter
inlet is far enough above the substrate that the fish can't swoosh the sand
into the filter. Adding a decent pre-filter layer to your filter system
(such as filter floss) is also a good idea. My gut feeling is that while
silica sand has been used for many years by many aquarists without problems,
finer sands like your Repti-sand might be just a bit too fine for safe use.>
Thanks for any and all help you can offer! I really appreciate it!
Allison Evans
<Hope this helps. I'm a BIG fan of sand in aquaria, and agree with you that
loaches and catfish really benefit from its use. But it does need to be
handled properly. Cheers, Neale>
pH and water flow 5/17/07
Crew,
<<Hi, Erik. Tom with you.>>
Great site, thank-you.
<<Thanks, Erik. Glad to hear we’ve been helpful so far.>>
I have a 30 gallon tank with Eco-Complete as substrate and nothing else in it. I
use RO/DI water. My Pinpoint pH monitor reads the pH as 7.2 and up with the
Whisper 40 running (only has carbon in it) and reads 6.75 and lower with the
filter off and not flowing at all. Why?
<<Well, now both of us have an issue to deal with. Your issue is that pH
monitors don’t work well in purified (RO/DI) water. Mine is trying to explain,
in simple (?) terms, why they don’t. First, and not surprisingly, RO/DI water
has very little in the way of buffering capacity which means that pH can change
quite readily, up or down. Simple enough. Second, commonly our pH is affected by
the absorption of CO2 from the atmosphere. This is why you can expect pH to
typically decrease over time since dissolved CO2 in the tank lowers pH. How
quickly this takes place depends on a wide number of factors but, once again,
this can depend, in part, on the buffering capacity of the water. In our homes,
CO2 levels can be, and typically are, higher than outdoors yielding a higher
concentration of the compound in the air and, therefore, greater opportunity for
our tanks to absorb it. (RO/DI water generally runs in the pH range of about 5-7
depending substantially on the level of dissolved CO2.) Third, CO2 is “driven”
out of the water by agitation such as what you might create with airstones,
UGF’s, HOB filters, etc. Though this doesn’t even scratch the surface of a
highly complex topic, I believe that what you’re seeing is the
absorption/dissolution of CO2 in your tank caused by calm periods (filter off)
resulting in increased CO2 absorption (lower pH) followed by active periods
(filter on) resulting in decreased CO2 (higher pH).>>
Also, the readings on the pinpoint monitor fluctuate a tenth of a point
constantly, it is never pegged. I know constant pH is better than a specific
reading and I can't get the pH to stay at one reading even in this small tank.
<<The greater the precision of the instrument, the more likely it will be to
show variances, Erik. You might think of it like the “refresh rate” of your
computer monitor. The higher the refresh rate, the more screen “flicker” you’ll
observe. Your Pinpoint monitor is constantly refreshing its readings. In
conjunction with what I’ve already discussed, I’d be very surprised if it
weren’t constantly fluctuating. A very nice piece of gear but it has drawbacks
in this particular set of circumstances.>>
Respectfully,
Erik
<<Hopefully this will shed a little light on your situation, Erik. Best regards.
Tom>>
Automatic leak detector/ water valve shutoff system?
5/2/06
Hi,
I have a FW African 120G plexi tank that is plumbed through the bottom
through a double size Lifegard set (UV, mech, chem, and heater modules) then
back up through spray bar towers in the corners, the tank is visible on three
sides so it was important for me to have as little filtration/equipment in
the way as possible. I have three drains that T into one 1" pvc line, and the
strainers are only perhaps 1.5 inches above the sand. Looks great, works
great, but what if there is a leak!?!?
<... water on the floor, possibly drained down to their level>
It has been up over 6 months or so and have had little trouble, but it is always
in the back of my mind.
Ideally I would rig a leak detector up to a relay that upon detection of leak,
it closes the in/out ball valves and turns off the UV and pump.
<There are such alarm devices on the market>
I have the leak detector circuit and am fairly competent on wiring all the
relays, but what is holding me back are the solenoid valves.
<Where would you install these that would help?>
I thought that I would be able to use a sprinkler valve as they are cheap and
pvc, but to throw the ol monkey wrench in my plans, it has to have a minimum of
15psi
to operate correctly. I am running 3-5 tops. Does anyone know of a different
type of valve that would fit the bill?
<None that I would use>
I know I can put a check valve on the return line, which I should have done in
the first place, but I still would
like at least one that would close the system down if I were to spring a leak.
In the meantime I have plans to raise the drains up so if it does happen,
at least my fish may have enough water to survive the event, and
also I think I may drill a drain through the floor (under the tank in the
cabinet) as to not flood my room. Any advice? thanks!
<Mmm, I would not worry here. The likelihood of a disaster is likely very
small... Next time/tank, either drill through the back or run the (return) lines
over the top, the drains through the tower/s. Bob Fenner>
Too much filtering or water movement How much is too much? - 20/1/05
I was wondering what would be considered too much water movement. I have a
75 gallon tank and one Fluval
405. I wanted to put in a second Fluval 405 to make sure the tank stays nice and
clean. But then I was
worried about the problem of too much water movement. Right now the fish in the
tank don't seem to have any
problems with the one filter. What do you think?
<Depends on the fish (and, more importantly, corals. However, in general, fish
can withstand - and sometimes prefer - far higher currents than we provide. Ever
swum in the ocean? Or a fast flowing river? If I am right in thinking that a 405
provides a max. flow of around 350gph, then two such filters would be perfectly
suited for freshwater.... I would be looking for more flow for most marine
tanks. Best regards, John>
Thanks,
Rusty
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