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FAQs on Bichirs, Family Polypteridae
Health/Disease
Related Articles: Bichirs,
Related FAQs: Bichirs
1, & Bichir Identification,
Bichir Behavior,
Bichir Compatibility,
Bichir Selection,
Bichir Systems, Bichir Feeding,
Bichir Reproduction, & FAQs on: Ropefish 1,
Ropefish 2, &
Ropefish ID, Ropefish Behavior,
Ropefish Compatibility,
Ropefish Selection,
Ropefish Systems,
Ropefish Feeding,
Ropefish Health,
Ropefish Reproduction,
Very sick Bichir.
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Bichir Skin Bump/tear
10/17/09
Hello there,
<Hello,>
I've had a Senegal for about a year now with no problems, but about a
week ago he developed a "bump" on his back near the back of his head.
<Most likely an ulcer, but possibly something else. Ulcers are typically
sites of infection, caused by physical damage and/or exposure to serious
water quality problems. So as usual, check to make sure that the water
quality is good (zero ammonia, zero nitrite) and that there aren't any
objects or predatory fish that could be causing physical damage.>
I thought it would go away, but it's gotten worse! It now looks like its
going to "Burst" through his skin!
<Indeed.>
He seems to be fine. He's eating and moving around just fine but I'm
worried. I've looked everywhere but found nothing, please help! Thanks!!
I feed him small feeders, shrimp, and sometimes pellets.
<Now, your use of "feeder fish" is one thing that rings alarm bells. If
you want your fish to get sick, give it feeder fish. I cannot stress
this point too strongly! There is no better way to introduce bizarre
diseases and parasites into your aquarium than by adding feeder fish to
a tank. Since Senegal Bichirs feed primarily on insects and worms,
there's no need to give them live fish. Earthworms, frozen shrimp,
chopped clams, lancefish, bloodworms, mealworms, etc. are all taken. The
problem with feeder fish is that they're raised cheaply in ponds, and to
make them cheap, they receive no real medical care at all. Plus, minnows
and goldfish have high levels of thiaminase, and over time, this causes
a Vitamin B1 deficiency that can lead to all kinds of problems
including, no doubt, breakdown of skin and muscle. This is amply
discussed in the scientific literature, and anyone who told you Bichirs
need goldfish or minnows was talking rubbish. Your Bichir will certainly
need antibiotics to prevent bacterial infection of the muscle and
bloodstream (septicaemia). A trip to the vet would also be very, very
useful. I have seen large fish recover from ulcers like this, but it
does take very clean water and the use of antibiotics at least until the
skin has healed.>
All Ph, N, A, and such are normal. I Also I attached some pics so u can
see what I mean.
<Indeed, a sad looking Bichir! Lovely animals, but please, don't use
feeders. Whether the feeder fish are the definite cause of this problem
is impossible to say -- that's part of the problem with feeder fish --
but they could well be. If you are 100% sure water quality and physical
damage aren't the issue, then some weird bacterial or parasitic
infection is left, and feeder fish are VERY GOOD way of getting such
things started. So, repeat after me, "Feeders are bad"! In the meantime,
use an antibiotic, offer clean water conditions, and hope for the best.
These are hardy fish, and the chances of recovery are good. Oh, and
don't use copper or formalin based antibacterials without consulting a
vet first; primitive fish such as these can react very badly to such
medications (i.e., they die). Cheers, Neale.>
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Bichir... hlth.
4/19/09
Greetings WWM crew/Neale, I'm in need of your advice once again. I
can't send a picture but I'll try to describe it as best as
possible. I just saw my small 4 inch Ornate Bichir have something
like its gill sticking out of the gill socket on its right side. It
looks slightly reddish and has a branch like structure, leading me
to think it is a gill but my sister thinks it is a parasite. While
it seems perfectly alright, I am very worried as to what it is.
Could you help me out here by stating a list of possibilities?
Thanks a lot. Gene.
<Hello Gene. When very young, Bichirs have external gills; these are
red, feathery, and hang out sort of behind the normal gill covers
and above the pectoral ("arm") fins. They usually disappear by the
time the Bichir is big enough to sell, but yours is so small
relative to its final adult size, I suspect that this is what you're
looking at. There are no real health issues, but being sensitive and
easily damaged, you want to make sure such fish are kept away from
boisterous and especially nippy fish, such as Tiger Barbs. Cheers,
Neale.>
Ornate Bichir - Torn gill or bacteria?
4/19/09
Hi, I have an ornate bichir that's been with me for a month or two
now...recently I saw that the left end part of its gill was red, and
had a bacterial-looking pattern on it.
<Are you sure this isn't the fish's external gill? Juvenile Bichirs
have external gills similar to those you see on amphibians such as
Axolotls.
These gills are red, feathery, and poke out behind the gill and
above the pectoral fin.>
I'm not sure whether it is torn, or it is diseased. It is in a tank
with another ornate bichir of nearly the same size (barely 5 inches)
but as far as I know, they get along very well together.
<Ornate Bichirs are not tolerant animals, and tend to be very snappy
towards one another. Do watch these two fish. Given their large
adult size (60 cm/24 inches) individuals will require a large tank,
and more than one specimen a very large tank.>
The tank's water was not very good for a few days, by that I mean
that there was some residue from food and algae, but the ph and
temperature were fine.
<Bichirs are hardy, but like all fish they will suffer if water
quality is poor, and the external gills on juveniles will be likely
sites of Finrot infections and similar.>
So what exactly is wrong with it?
<Either Finrot, or merely the external gills.>
I put some mineral salt in already, and I have some medicine for
sores and lesions but I didn't dare put it in just in case it makes
the condition worse.
<Salt obviously won't help, since salt has no particular usefulness
on bacterial infections (if it did, why would we bother with
antibiotics!).
You will need to use some type of antimicrobial, I'd suggest eSHa
2000 or Maracyn.>
Please help as soon as possible.
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Ornate Bichir - Torn gill or bacteria?
4/19/09
External gill? I've never heard of that before.
<Learn a new thing every day.>
I'll check and confirm it first. Thanks for the help!
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Bichir, hlth.
WWM/Neale,
Appreciated that you gave me a list of sicknesses related to it, but the fish
died. Thank you anyway for trying and sorry for not providing a photo or
responding earlier.
<Too bad. Sorry to hear this.>
Since the tank is rather empty, aside from my Ornate Bichir and Oscar, my sister
asked if keeping another Ornate Bichir is advisable. Go for it or don't?
Thanks. Gene
<Depends on the size of the tank. Polypterus ornatipinnis is a reasonably big
species (to 60 cm in the wild, and easily 50 cm in captivity) as well as
territorial. So unless your tank is upwards of 300-400 litres, I wouldn't even
think about mixing two specimens. Even in a big tank, you'll need to take care
that there are ample hiding places for each specimen. Cheers, Neale.>
Please tell me how to help my Polypterus ornatipinnis 5/23/08
Sick Polypterus
I hope you can point me in the right direction to save my Polypterus
ornatipinnis. We have had this guy for about 5 years now. He is about 18 inches
long and he lives in a 90 gallon tank. His tank mates are 2 very large Oscars, a
African water frog, a gar pike and a very large algae eater (Pleco I think)
Anyway...yesterday I noticed the algae eater sucking on the Polypterus. Today,
he is covered in whitish spots (seems like he is losing his color) and it
appears as though he is bleeding under his scales. He has been out of his normal
"spot" in the tank a lot today. I am at a loss for what to do or what is wrong
with him. Everything seems to be ok. He gets fed mostly Rosies and occasionally
frozen brine shrimp. But this has been his main diet for all his life. Can you
help us? He seems to be getting worse very quickly. Thanks in advance for any
help you can offer. Karyn
<Ropefish and Bichirs sometimes come down with this weird bacterial infection.
This usually occurs while acclimating wild fish but I guess it could happen to a
long term captive if the conditions were less than ideal. The best medication is
Oxolinic acid. Very expensive and difficult to come by but wholesalers find it
very effective when getting wild shipments in. I would recommend a 50% water
change, vacuum the gravel and clean the filters in the meantime. If you cannot
find this medication then try Nitrofuranace with Metronidazole together.-Chuck>
Ornate Bichir may be dying...
9/10/07
My boyfriend and I were just cleaning the tank and we moved some decorations
and found our ornate Bichir laying on his back
<Bad>
at the bottom of the tank. He is still breathing and every once in awhile he
starts to "spaz" out and do barrel rolls and jerk around. Could he have gotten
hit by something slipping in the tank like a rock and gotten stunned?
<Possibly>
Could this be a sickness??
<Mmm, yes>
He did not eat for the last two days. Any suggestion would be greatly
appreciated!
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Thank you,
Stephanie Beetsch
<What re the water quality here? Is there much in the way of ammonia, nitrate?
What did it feed on? How long have you had it? What else... decor and livestock
is in this system? Bob Fenner>
Re: ornate Bichir may be dying..
9/11/07
He ended up dying last night but just so I can get an idea what it could've
been....the water was 7.8 to 8.0 ph, no ammonia or nitrate when I tested it last
night. The temp. is about 80. I have him in a tank with African cichlids and
some silver tip sharks. There was no marks or bites on him as far I could tell.
He was eating thawed out silverfish. This is what the fish store told us to
feed. He had no interest in worms or beef heart, was really the only thing he
would eat.
I wanted to get another one because he was so fun to watch. What would you
recommend.
Thank you for all your help, really appreciated!
<Hello Stephanie. Bichirs are basically very, very hardy animals, so to lose one
tends to imply something has gone wrong. Since all your other fish are fine, you
can probably rule out water quality. I'd expect (and have observed) cichlids to
become distressed from such things well before Bichirs. Diet may be a factor.
Feeding a fish just one thing is never a good idea. Bichirs are not really fish
eaters by specialisation, since they move too slowly to catch them. Fish are a
bonus most of the time. Rather, they feed on a variety of invertebrates,
particularly insect larvae, large aquatic insects such as beetles, worms of all
types, crustaceans, and so on. River shrimp, earthworms, and mealworms all seem
to be especially good (and completely safe) live foods for Bichirs. On the
frozen food front, shelled prawns, mussels, bloodworms, and krill should be
accepted without complaint. There's no need for a Bichir to eat every night, and
if it didn't eat a meal one night, remove the food and try it again the next
night: often hunger improves a fish's willingness to try something new! Once
trained and settled in, Bichirs will also take good quality pellets, like Hikari
Gold, and these sorts of foods are excellent "vitamin boosters" to really
optimise your fish's health. Rotating the menu from one item to the next is
important because it allows a fish to get all the different nutrients it needs.
This isn't to say whitebait were a bad food item, but if the only thing the
Bichir ate month after month, you can't expect the fish to stay in good health.
Now, in terms of trying again, the two Bichirs that recommend themselves as
being excellent aquarium fish are Polypterus senegalus and the fish sold in the
trade as 'Polypterus palmas' (but almost certainly one of any number of
look-alike species). Both of these are small (~30 cm), placid fish that feed
primarily on invertebrates. Juveniles thrive on bloodworms and similar foods,
while adults happily take various small items of seafood. Neither is expensive
or difficult to find. P. senegalus is perhaps the easiest to keep, and the one
species that breeds fairly regularly in aquaria. 'P. palmas' is perhaps
marginally more testy but is a bit prettier to look at. Both would work well in
your tank, assuming the cichlids were not aggressive. Bichirs are easily
bullied. I wouldn't mix them, for example, with Hemichromis, Pseudotropheus, or
Melanochromis type things but they get along fine with Pelvicachromis,
Nanochromis, Pseudocrenilabrus, etc. I hope this helps, Neale>
Polypterus
palmas problem! – 08/31/07
Hey crew,
I had bought a Polypterus palmas from a pet shop around 3 months
ago. I had started off feeding it sinking pellets, but it
wouldn't eat those anymore so I decided to buy some earthworms
and blood worms. These worked perfectly until now. My palmas
usually finds his food and bumps into it, but now he sometimes
passes over it or hovers near it and chomps around that area but
still completely missing it. I looked closer and I noticed his
two nostrils/antennae have shrunk a huge amount. What used to be
nostrils are just small bumps where the nostrils should be. He
hasn't been able to successfully get his food for days, and I'm
worried he might starve to death because he isn't able to smell
his food anymore. The water isn't cloudy at all and is pretty
clear. The only decor he has is a small ceramic temple where he
lounges under. I think it might of been ammonia burning off his
nostrils, I just changed the ammonia remover from my filter
(Aquaclear) recently, the instructions on the filter told me to
change the ammonia remover every 3 months (When I bought the box
with the ammonia remover it said to replace it every month).
Hope by replacing the ammonia filter with a new one he'll be
able to grow bank his nostrils. He's around 4.5 inches and lives
in a 4 gallon tank.
Hope you can help me,
Worried palmas owner.
<Greetings. Polypterus are lovely fish, and generally very
hardy. However, I think your problem here is Finrot or something
similar, caused by problems with water quality. There is simply
now way you can keep these fish in a 4 gallon (15 litre) tank.
None. Nada. Nix. They are all fairly large creatures (even the
smallest species gets to around 30 cm). The species sold in the
trade as "Polypterus palmas" can actually be one of a whole
group of things, including Polypterus teugelsi (~40 cm),
Polypterus mokelembembe (~34 cm), Polypterus retropinnis (~34
cm), or one of three subspecies of Polypterus palmas (from 30-35
cm). At the very least you need a tank not less than 100 litres
(about 26 US gallons) in size simply to provide even basic water
quality and space requirements, let alone "good" conditions.
Anyway, ammonia does indeed cause problems similar to burning;
specifically, its necrosis of the delicate tissues causes by
poisoning. Left untreated, such wounds commonly become sites of
Finrot and fungal infections. Now, let's expand this a little.
Ammonia remover has no place in an aquarium containing large
predatory fish -- unless you're using large amounts of the stuff
and replacing it weekly, it simply cannot deal with waste
produced. You need a proper biological filter for the Polypterus
aquarium providing at least 4x the volume of the tank in
turnover per hour. A large external canister filter would be the
best choice, but a decent undergravel filter would also work.
Polypterus are hardy and somewhat tolerant of immature aquaria,
which is why your fish is wounded rather than dead. But still,
you're imposing on this hardiness, and there's only one possible
eventual outcome: death of the fish. So, here's what you need to
do to save this fish: buy a tank at least 6 times bigger than
what you have. Then, install a proper filtration system. While
the filter matures, perform large water changes: 50% ideally
daily, but not less than every two days. This will likely take
about 6 weeks to mature the aquarium to the point where you
cannot detect ammonia or nitrite in the water. Once you're done,
your Polypterus should heal quickly, and will live happily for
another 10+ years (they're quite long lived animals normally).
You may decide to treat for Finrot/fungus as well, but if you
do, choose a brand of medication safe with sensitive fish,
because Polypterus are quite distantly related to the mainstream
bony fish groups, and their reaction to medications can be
unpredictable. Ideally, choose something deemed safe for use
with stingrays and invertebrates. That said, if moved to good
conditions, I would expect this fish to heal quite readily by
itself. If you can't do ALL of these things, then re-home the
Polypterus: you clearly don't have an aquarium that can house
this wonderful fish, and keeping it would be cruel, end of
story. I hope this helps, Neale>
Re: Polypterus palmas
problem! – 09/01/07
Thank you and thank god you answered, you saved it's life :)
<Cool. And perhaps you should thank Dagon the fish-god as well. Cheers, Neale>
Ill or injured Bichir, no useful info. 5/20/07
Dear WWM Crew,
<Everett>
Thank you for the information and advice your site provides. I have a
question about my Senegal Bichir. She is about 3 months old and 6 inches.
Recently I noticed redness along her anal fin and tail.
<Mmm, sign of environmental issue/s...>
The tank has no aggressive fish. Is it possible she simply doesn't have
enough room to turn in her favorite cave?
<Possibly, but much more likely there is/are something/s amiss with your
water quality...>
The cave is a 6"x 6" plastic container that is upside down and covered in
rocks. I appreciate your assistance.
<... What re the system make-up, maintenance, water quality tests,
foods/feeding... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/polypterids.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Polypterus senegalus, beh., hlth. 5/20/07
Hi
<Hello.>
My Polypterus senegalus has recently stared to eat the stones in the tank, I
was just wondering if this is natural or could there be a problem with my
fish?
<It is extremely *unnatural*. Bichirs are predators that hunt by smell. So
they don't normally eat stones. Are you feeding it enough? If so, what are
you feeding it? The ideal diet for Bichirs are frozen bloodworms, small
pieces of mussel and prawn, and small amounts of frozen fish such as
whitebait. Some Bichirs will also eat pellets. Unless you are breeding your
own livebearers, do not use live feeder fish and UNDER NO circumstances use
goldfish/minnows bought from pet stores, as these are parasite bombs. If you
want to use live food, things like mealworms and earthworms are ideal, being
clean and easy to obtain.>
Hope to hear from you soon,
<Well, here I am.>
Dave.
<Cheers, Neale>
Rope Fish With Spots 4/9/07
Hello, My fiancé and I bought our first Rope Eel (or fish since that's what
they come up as under Google) and she looked fine when we were in the
store. However, the next morning I notice two small white dots on her
back, so I called a friend whose had a fish tank for over 30 years. He
assured me that Kaliah didn't have ick, although we went ahead and put
Ick away in her tank. This morning when my fiancé and I woke the two
dots turned into three large ones, one on her underside and two along
the length of her body. We are extremely worried about her since we've
grown attached so the question to you is if Kaliah is shedding at all,
since the spots do look like dead skin. Is it normal for a rope eel to
shed its skin and if not then what can we do to spot it and make her
healthy? We feed her tropical fish food and some shrimp, per the sales
lady. Thank You. Lotsa Love Aurora
< Check the WWM website for articles on general info on bichirs. To be
more specific, your bichir probably has a stubborn bacterial infection.
Do a 50% water change, vacuum the gravel and clean the filter. The first
drug of choice is Oxolinic Acid. Difficult to come by and very
expensive, it is a miracle worker on rope fish and other bichirs. If you
cannot find it then try a double dose of Nitrofuranace and
Metronidazole. Let your local pet shop know so maybe they can treat the
next batch before they sell them. Many stores don't know about this
treatment and think that rope fish die because they are fragile, but
they are actually very hardly and live for many years.-Chuck>
Polypterus delhezi... dead 3/6/07
I had a young Polypterus delhezi about 3 in.
<This IS small>
that just died 2 days ago. I was shocked because I've never seen a Bichir
suffered like that to death. The body was half paralyzed and it's having a hard
time swimming to the water surface to gulp for air until its whole body got
paralyzed and died. What killed my fish and how can I prevent that kind of
disease? Another thought i fed it with chopped feeder guppies. Do you think that
cause my Bichir to die? thanks...
<... Please send your writing through spell- et al. checking... to learn,
correct your English. Small Polypterids often are imported with enteric
bacterial problems... "chopped feeder guppies" did not help... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/polypterids.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Armored Bichir, with missing nares 2/22/07
I have a young Polypterus delhezi about 3.5 in. I noticed that it has only
one tubular nostril when i bought it and I'm scared that it will be a big
problem for my delhezi cause i know that their nostrils are use for hunting and
getting food. Is their a chance growing it back?
<Mmm, yes... if not "bitten too far back"... and even living w/o... in good
care. Bob Fenner>
Ornate Bichirs nostrils
Hi,
I would like to know does the tubular nostrils of a Bichir grows back in time it
happen to be bitten off by cichlids?
thanks
Rgds
Louis
<If not bitten too far back, yes. Bob Fenner>
Bichir gill growths
Hi Bob,
I'm the guy that owns the 17 inches ornate with a torn left pectoral fins.
Thanks for your reply.
In between, I forgot to tell you that a juvenile ornate specimen of mine have
'red color horns' that resembles the Chinese saint animal 'dragon'. The 'horns'
grow from inside the gills and go upwards. And the 'horns' grows as the fish
grows. I had never seen anything like this before.
No doubt it is BEAUTIFUL, but I am worried that it might be some disease or
similar.
<Not likely. Especially if this fish is small/young... they have growths that
come out of their gill areas then. Bob Fenner>
Rgds, Uix
Torn Bichir fin
Dear Dr. Fenner,
<Just Bob, please>
Please help me. I own a ornate Bichir which is now currently 17 inches. I love
him dearly. Last night, the left hand side of the pectoral fin of my Bichir was
torn! Left with only the muscle part, the rest of the fin is gone! I am not sure
what happened....... Dr., will the fin grow back in time??? Please tell me.....
<Sounds like either a tremendous injury (did the fish get stuck somehow?) or an
aggressive encounter with a tankmate. If the injury isn't too deep the fin will
regenerate. These fishes are tough. Bob Fenner>
thanks
Uix
I Didn't Mean to Call You a Bichir! Another lesson in how Not
to Punctuate
Sorry to bother you but I don't know who else to ask.. I have this Bichir
who looks very swollen.. from bellow the head to the mid fin.. it has been
swollen for weeks now, I have 3 more Bichirs in the tank that are doing fine..
I have a 55 gal thank.. it seems to be ok except for the swelling.. it seems to
have gone bigger too in the last couple of days.. I've had that Bichir for more
than a year now, at least 1.5 years.. I attached a picture so you can see what I
mean.. thanks for your help.
< You need to get some Metronidazole ASAP! This bloat situation can be cured if
it is caught early. It usually happens in cichlids mainly Tropheus and some lake
Malawian fish. I think it is stress related. Big fish are messy eaters and
generate a lot of waste. It is easy to let the wastes build up in the tank and
get out of hand unless you do some water changes. If your fish is still alive
you need to do a 30% water change now and treat the water for ich. A
Formalin-malachite green medication will work. Add a hand full of rock salt too.
Look for the Metronidazole at your local store. Check the ingredients for it. It
may not be labeled as such. Treat the entire tank with 250 mg per 10 gallons.
Use a little extra and use 6 tablets. Remove any carbon from your filters and if
you have a Marineland filter with a BioWheel then remove it and place it in a
plastic bag with some aquarium water in it. Leave it open and don't let it dry
out. Do not treat on the second day and repeat day number one on the third day
and every other day until the fish is cured. If the fish dies then watch the
others closely in case they don't eat. If they don't it means that they are sick
too and need treating. I got this cure a few months ago from another website.
The website is called JDTropheus.com. They deal strictly with cichlids in the
genus Tropheus and this cure does work. Good Luck.-Chuck> |
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A Thank You
Hello WWM Crew,
within the following page, concerning to your pages, a person called Chuck gave
a very helpful answer to a question concerning a problem
that now also occurred in my tank. I successfully saved my Bichirs using the
tips published on your website. I want to say Thank You to Chuck for
his help, so I want you to give me his email address. Sorry, If I did not notice
any contact formulas of your page, but I got to your page by
using a German internet search engine, so maybe I did not get the full frameset
of your page.
The URL of the page is:
www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/bichirfaqs.htm
Thanks a lot for your answer.
< I am glad you were able to save your Bichirs. The real credit should go to a
Tropheus breeder who turned me on to this treatment. You can find him on his
website at JDTropheus.com.-Chuck>
Greetings from Germany, yours
Dr. D. Groll |
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