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FAQs about Non-Vertebrate Animal Selection
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Invertebrate identification, Marine Invertebrate Compatibility,
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Bristleworms and amphipods disappeared?!
6/22/08
Hi All,
I thought all was going well in my 46 gallon reef tank, but I just realized that
some time in the last several months my bristle worms and amphipods have
disappeared. I have been keeping an eye on my fish (a tank raised clown, a blue
chromis, and a royal Gramma as well as my corals, some mushrooms, green torch,
colt coral, palm coral, and a very slowly (not sure why) dying flowerpot coral.
<Very common... see WWM re the genus Goniopora... all polyps need to be fed...>
Somehow I forgot about the arthropods and bristle worms which used to be in
abundance in my tank! Just did a water chemistry test, and nitrates are 0-5,
s.g. is 1.022-1.024, ph slightly on the low side but kinda a chronic problem
7.8-8.0. Adding buffer with ro water top offs. I have a UV sterilizer that I
added several months ago...might have coincided with the disappearance of these
critters not sure. I have a protein skimmer with a surface skimmer box, and
plenty of flow, a rio 2100 and a maxijet1200. Oh and 80 lbs live rock. I have
three little red crabs and two turbo snails and two really large snails (I
forgot their name-very common). Anyway, just wondering if I should worry that
these critters disappeared or not?
<If they are of benefit...>
I feed flake formula two in the am and marine cuisine about 1/4 of a cube in the
evening. One thing...I do live in Phoenix. its 115 degrees here now I keep my
house at 78 degrees though the tank consistently reads 82.
<I was out there last weekend giving a pitch... hot!>
One other interesting development there seems to be a new soft coral forming.
I'll describe. Pure white many almost clear/opaque tubules about the size of a
wad of gum and kinda has the shape of a wad of gum. I scraped some of it off the
crevices of my live rock and it came right back. It doesn't seem to bother
anything in the tank, but do you have any clue what it is? Hope I gave you all
the info you need and I hope you can help. Looking forward to your reply.
Thanks, Erika
<Mmm... "they come and they go"... Likely the dwindling water quality, too-low
spg has summat to do with the disappearance of some of this life. I urge better
maintenance, observation/attention. Bob Fenner>
Possible sea cucumber problem
6/18/08
Hello,
<Hello, Jack!>
I've searched and searched, and cannot find any specific answers, so out
of desperation I'm asking my very first question!
<Sounds good. Thanks for searching!>
In one of my labs, I've got a 4 month old, 75gal marine tank (w ~20gal
sump) which...until this morning...held only a cleaning crew (snails,
hermits, and two peppermint shrimp), live sand, live rock and gobs of
green algae. I just received two "Marine Invertebrate" sets and some
jellyfish from Ward's Scientific,
<mm...yes>
and within an hour of introducing the various species (I know, too many
at a time, but it's the only tank we've got...I still need to get a
quarantine tank going) BOTH peppermint shrimp were in the open, on their
sides, twitching. They died about 2 hours later.
http://wardsci.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_IG0013628_A_name_E_Invertebrate+Living+Specimen+Set+1
http://wardsci.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_IG0013629_A_name_E_Invertebrate+Living+Specimen+Set+2
http://wardsci.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_IG0013404_A_name_E_Jellyfish+Living+Specimen
I took great care to minimize introducing very much foreign water to the
tank.
<Okay. How did you acclimate them? Did you slowly transition the water
in the bags to system water, or did you just release these organisms
into the tank? Simply dropping them in would most likely kill them
promptly.>
Especially, from the sea cucumber bag! I called Ward's, and they could
only tell me that the genus/species was "Cucumaria".
<Generic...>
Nevertheless, I suspect the Cuke got freaked out in transit and spewed
some toxins upon arrival.
<Much more a predation response than environmental>
Are there any other possible explanations, given the long list of newly
introduced critters (check the ward's links, above)?
<Be advised that the animals sold by Ward are not compatible with each
other, and are rarely properly identified by the company. In my
experience with these sets the instructions for care are poor, and the
animals sick or doomed upon arrival. The jellyfish, for example, are
completely unsuitable tankmates for the other offered specimens, and
will require special aquaria to house them. Most of the echinoderms sold
by Ward simply cannot be kept without intensive feeding and water change
regimens- not what a zoology or invert. phys. class needs!>
I've done a partial water change. What other precautions should I take?
<I would test your water parameters and see if something is seriously
out of whack, and review acclimation procedures. Perhaps consider paying
a bit more for some select, research specimens from another source.>
I promise, to never introduce so many animals to the tank, ever again.
Thank you!
<No problem.>
-Jack
<Benjamin>
Re: Possible sea cucumber problem
- 6/18/08
Thanks for the prompt response. I've had a few hours to further
research the situation, here's an update:
1. Acclimation occurred over the entire morning yesterday:
a) each bag was floated for 1 hour; followed by b) adding tank water to
the bag (1 pt tank : 2 pts bag volume) and another hour of floating;
followed by c) emptying 1/2 of that water (into sink), topping off w
tank water, and floating for another 1/2 hour; and finally d) adding
critter to tank while minimizing the introduction of baggy water. Snails
and hermit crab were rinsed under tapwater too.
<If anything, this might have been too long, but since you had them
floating temperature shouldn't have been a problem. I doubt acclimation
was the problem.>
2. Nobody else was dead this morning. Yay!
<Glad to hear it!>
3. I no longer attribute the shrimps' demise to the cucumber. A more
likely suspect would be the jelly's.
They'd shed lots of slime (nematocysts?) in transit, and 2 out of 3 had
actually LOST THEIR MANUBRIA...incidentally, the injured jelly's and
detached mouth-pieces are still pulsating on the tank's floor. I now
hypothesize that the shrimp were knocked off by free-floating
nematocysts.
<Very possible! Cnidarians can shed a lot of stinging cells under
stress.>
4. I consider the Cassiopeia's doomed if they remain in this tank, and a
hazard to whatever strolls past them.
<Both correct.>
I'm setting up a temporary 10gal w/ steep live sand "banks" on either
end, and setting up a weak submersible filter on the bottom to create a
pseudo-circular, vertical current.
I've got some high-power full-spectrum fluorescents (used on lizards) I
can put on a timer, too. Meanwhile, I'll see if anyone around here wants
em (LFS, Bio dept, aquarium...) and, worse case scenario, I'll preserve
them for our teaching collection (I waste NOTHING around here!).
<Sounds like a good plan.>
5. More research has me concerned about the Featherdusters and predation
from: red and blue-legged hermits, brittle star, and the urchin. Real,
or paranoia? Time will tell...
<There is certainly risk, but they should be fine. Hermit crabs will eat
just about anything, given the chance, but as long as there is easier
food to be found, they probably won't be going after something the have
to catch.>
The determining factors in choosing Ward's over the LFS:
very good prices (surprising, actually),
guaranteed delivery, a 20% off coupon and an established tax-exempt
account.
<Understood.>
The lack of documentation was acceptable, since I'm quite capable of
researching various problems,
<Clearly. You definitely did your homework before you wrote this reply!>
but I'm ashamed to have assumed that their sets were compatible...and to
have created this Darwinian situation.
<Selective pressure notwithstanding, compatibility and mortality are
perpetual problems in aquaria. I wouldn't lose too much sleep over your
assumption- it is reasonable to expect that sets of specimens from a
reputable supply company would be compatible...that said, often time
accuracy is sacrificed to Mammon in this hobby.>
I should have known better, given that they included Aiptasia anemones
in one set!
<Probably helps keep the price down...and, given they aren't overfed
they can be fascinating. You might be interested in information re
aiptasia culturing/filtering...use of aiptasia to clean water.>
Best regards,
-Jack
<The same! Benjamin>
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Inverts... title please...
sel. 04/11/2008
Hello
<<Hi, Andrew today>>
I have a 72 gallon FOWLR tank.
My stocking list looks like this:
2 Ocellaris clowns
1 Blue-green Chromis
1 Royal Gramma
1 Neon goby
1 Yellow tang
1 Scott's fairy wrasse
1 Flame Angel
1 Black brittle star
2 cleaner shrimp
30 Nassarius snails
5 Cerith snails
I still have not purchased the wrasse or angel for my tank yet.
<<I would suggest you don't have anymore room for more fish>>
Fishwise my tank is pretty stocked and lately I've become interested in the
inverts for my tank. I have been looking to add some but I am starting to get
worried that I might overload the tank or worse off starve them to death as I do
not like to overfeed my fish. I am looking to add 3 camel shrimp, an urchin
(probably a pincushion) an emerald crab for my hair algae and a pink sandsifting
cucumber. Would this be to much for my tank?
<<I would add all besides the cucumber, its personal preference, but i have seen
too many tanks go bad because of an issue with these, and to me, its not worth
the risk. With regards to feeding / bioload...Its all fine, you should not
experience any issues>>
Thanks, Adam Law
<<Hope this helps, thanks for the questions. A Nixon>>
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