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Bad Aiptasia Problem -Klein’s Butterfly… Reef Safe? –
01/28/13 Re: Aiptasia Anemone issues; bad C.
lunula
2/9/12 Aiptasia and Butterfly Fish 11/3/11 A Matter Of Choice (Which Butterfly For Aiptasia
Control?) -- 09/15/11 Chaetodon auriga reef safe? Aiptasia control 5/26/2011 Re: stocking reef, Aiptasia contr.
BFs 1/21/11 Aiptasia Gone!!! 11/20/10 Raccoon Butterfly: Aiptasia
Solution'¦Compatible With Tangs? -- 09/29/10 Enriched Aiptasia for Chelmon Rostratus?
6/7/10 Copperband and Mandarin Compatibility --
03/20/10 Aiptasia.. giving up the ghost.. not
quite! 3/17/10 Aiptasia help: Using fish for Aiptasia Control
2/1/2010 Re: Multi problem HELP!! Please. Aiptasia control; C.
lunula use, Bleach nuking 1/8/10 Anemone Eating Butterfly 11/21/09 More than one Butterfly in 210 gallons
8/8/09 Butterflies, Mystery Wrasse, & Aiptasia ?
03/03/09 Hi guys, I have 2 tanks. Both are over 3 years old
and very stable. One is a 60 gallon reef system with a mix of corals, a
yellow tang, and a monster mystery wrasse. The wrasse is great but
he's a brute. He eats just about any & all clean-up crew and
inverts. My problem is this tank is now infested by aiptasia. I've
tried just about everything to get rid of it. The wrasse attacks any
butterfly I put in there and eats any shrimp. So... <... take the
Wrasse out while using a/the Butterfly?> My other tank is a 150
gallon reef system with a juvenile emperor angel (that happily eats out
my hand), a raccoon butterfly, <Oh! Maybe just switch these two...
or "float" the wrasse in a plastic colander...> and a
falcula butterfly. They're doing fine too. They've eaten many
of the corals in this tank but do seem to leave enough alone (leathers,
bubble anemone guarded by a pair of clowns, mushrooms, star polyps,
Galaxea) that I'm happy. My question is -- can I safely take a rock
at a time from the wrasse's aiptasia infested tank and put it in
the angel's / butterfly's tank for clean-up? <Likely so>
the last thing I want to do is infest this tank too. How sure can I be
that these 3 guys will eat up without letting the aiptasia spread? Is
it worth the risk? <IMO/E, yes, worth the risk> Thanks, Kris
Hublitz <Welcome Kris. Bob Fenner> Butterfly fish... sel. for Aiptasia control ? 03/03/09 Hello again WWM crew! I am currently looking after a 90 gallon reef tank while the owner is working out of state. I've been taking care of it for four or five months now. Long story short, it was sadly neglected for several months before that. In that time, what was a small Aiptasia problem blossomed into an out of control outbreak. Many corals were stung to death by the pests, and many more perished from being smothered by red cotton candy algae that feasted on the nutrients released into the water by dying corals, fish and invertebrates (very few water changes were performed, and no skimmer was running at this time). <Yikes... good explanation though> Since I've taken over the maintenance, things have improved some. The algae is more or less under control, water changes occur as often as I can make it over per week. The Aiptasia problem, however, remains. I tried peppermint shrimp, but they went AWOL after a week in the tank. I am wary of Nudibranchs, because I have read they are exceedingly difficult to acclimate and keep from getting eaten. I've fragged what I can into a smaller tank, but the anemones have also made it in there (unfortunate, but not surprising). I keep those at bay using Aiptasia-X, but the large tank is a lost cause for such a method. <Ok> So, on to my question(s)! I've been thinking some about a Butterfly to keep the Aiptasia in check. I am looking at a Copper Banded or a Klein's Butterfly. I've also heard that Raccoon Butterfly's are good at pest control. <All can be employed... I like the Raccoon here> However, I've also read that Butterflies can be easily intimidated, and can eat corals as well. <Is so> Currently there are a mated pair of what I'm pretty sure are Tomato Clowns and a couple Pajama Cardinals. Corals are few: a handful of Montipora sp., some Acanthastrea sp., an open brain, a small Echino and a Euphyllia sp. In your learned opinions, is a Butterfly a viable option in this tank? <Yes> I'd like to keep as many corals as possible intact, and I don't really want to introduce a fish that will get bullied to death. I plan on hooking up a skimmer that the owner has stashed in his fish room, so I can feed more heavily once the Aiptasia supply is depleted. It's a long email to answer two questions, but I know it's worth it to pick your brains. Thank you very much! Owen <If it were me, I'd go with a good sized to start with (maybe about 4" overall length) Raccoon here. Bob Fenner> Raccoon Selection 12/19/08 Hi Guys and
Gals <Si> I have made a decision to add a Raccoon butterfly to my
180 reef tank for the control of aiptasia. I have lots of live rock in
my QT tank with aiptasia on it that I intend to use to test the fish
before introduction during the 2-4 week QT period. My reef is nearly
all hard corals, SPS and LPS. The LPS corals are Goniopora, Sinuosa,
Duncanopsammia, Euphyllia, Galaxia. SPS are Montipora, Acropora,
Porites, Hydnophora, Seriatopora. I also have a Turbinaria coral as
well. I have two choices on the raccoon butterfly. I am aware that
either, or neither may work both for aiptasia and potential coral/ fish
compatibility but the question I have is based on the 'chance'
of success. Choice number 1 is a Chaetodon Lunula from the Indian Ocean
at two inches (small). Choice number 2 is a stunning Chaetodon
Fasciatus from the Red Sea at five inches (largish). This is an
extremely beautiful fish. <Mmm, am very partial to the Red Sea
endemic myself...> Both are feeding well, on mysis. The only
potential troublemakers territory-wise in my reef are the Emperor Angel
(6 inches) and Flame Angel (2 inches). Your advice would be really
helpful. Thanks muchly! Si <Should get along with these two
Pomacanthids... I'd go with the C. fasciatus. Bob
Fenner> Aiptasia, BF control 8/18/08 One additional question... Your posted article on aiptasia control lists a number of B/Fs for the job. Some places also bill the Pearlscale and Saddleback B/Fs as candidates. Would these 2 also do the job if needed? <Can, yes> Thanks again for all the great advice. By the way, your site needs to come with an addict's warning. I go looking for one answer in the FAQs and articles and then get sucked in, spending hours learning more and more. Great stuff. Sean <Welcome! BobF> Raccoon butterfly with a trigger 6/4/08 Hello Crew, <Hello!> I was wondering if I could possibly add a raccoon butterfly into my 75gal, which is currently having an outbreak of aiptasia. At first, I thought it was like getting a free gift, but a few days later my eel died, so I assumed the anemones stung him. My tank includes an Indian trigger, and a maroon clown. <Did the eel have significant burn marks along its body? If they were lacking, as I suspect, this was a water-quality related death. You've got some very large fish in a not-so-large tank. For this reason alone I would not add the butterfly...would only increase the overcrowding. Diet-based controls like this are also of limited success: Not all individuals will consume aiptasia.> I only am asking this because my dad wants to go and try to scrub all the rocks and want to save him the trouble. <Scrubbing will likely only multiply the problem. Please read re aiptasia control here on wetwebmedia.com for viable solutions. Also, remember that this raccoon butterfly is a living thing, not a vacuum cleaner. It deserves respect and thoughtful housing- not to just be thrown in to a tank in hopes of it removing a pest. Ultimately, the decline and demise of this fish would be almost inevitable.> Thank you for your help. <No problem; thanks for writing! Benjamin> Chelmon rostrata in 24 gallon tank for aiptasia control 3/30/08 We have a lot of Aiptasia in our 24 gal nano cube tank. <<Likely a nutrient issue here...as in too many.>> We purchased a Copperband Butterfly fish but it doesn't go after the aiptasia. <<That was not a wise solution to the problem. Most Chelmon rostratus perish within a week or two of captive life, and that?s in larger mature systems, the instability of a nano reef is no place for this animal. Not to mention that the overall adult length is 6?. Regarding your aiptasia problem if they are spreading rapidly, as I mentioned above it is likely a dissolve organics/nutrient issue in which case adding more fish will only fuel the problem.>> Do you have any suggestions on how to get it to eat the Aiptasia? <<This is other issue when using Chelmon rostratus for pest anemone control, there is absolutely no guarantee that they will take to eating the aiptasia. Not to mention that if this is a nano reef with other cnidarians, the butterfly is just as likely to start preying on them as well. The few success stories I have seen with this involved quarantining the fish first and introducing normal food fare along with aiptasia to test said animal before adding it to the display. My suggestion would be to remove the fish ASAP and then read this; http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i3/aiptasia_impressions/aiptaisia_impressions.htm.>> Thanks, <<Welcome.>> Joanne <<Adam J.>> Copperband Butterfly/Aiptasia Result And Question ? 02/15/08 Hello "crew", hope all is well. <<Fine?thanks>> I have "spoken" to you before, and had brilliant help each time. <<Ah good!>> I am Janie (in Australia). <<Hey Janie! Eric here?in South Carolina>> I have a 285 Litre tank, one Spiny Puffer ("Puffy"), <<Mmm, if this is Diodon holocanthus this tank (75g US) is ?much too small.? This fish will need a system of several hundred gallons or more (800-1000 Litres) for its long term well-being>> one Copperband Butterfly ("Coppy") and the odd "worm" and little hermit crab. <<Really?? Worms with the Copperband around?? Mine has feasted on all the worms it can find. It will even take on the odd bristleworm when given the chance>> I last wrote to you because my tank had been over-run by Aiptasia, after my original tank cracked, was replaced, re-setup, stocked up with live rock etc. <<Okay>> The Aiptasia came with the rock, flourished and killed all bar one Leather Coral, "starved out" my Tropheus snails and Stromp snails, grew inside my baby Clam and killed it, etc. <<Yikes?a bad infestation indeed!>> Your Site led me to acquire a Copperband Butterfly (having tried absolutely everything else to no effect). "Coppy" is brilliant! In 12 weeks or so he has eaten "every" Aiptasia in the tank, and believe me, by the time I managed to buy Coppy, my whole tank, all of every surface, and the sand were totally covered by aiptasia! <<I?m glad to hear the Butterfly has worked out?am sure you are aware this is not always the case>> Now I cannot see even one, not even a baby one! <<Yay!>> My question is; Even though I have 50 or 60 pounds of live (now "clean") rock, Coppy doesn't seem to be eating. <<Mmm, yes?has been accustomed to finding live natural foods>> I researched your Site, and I am offering him appropriate foods, <<Such as?>> in a now "pristine" environment, but Coppy seems to prefer to do what appears to be "sucking something from the surface" of the water. <<Hmm?not a ?natural? behavior for this fish as far as I am aware>> My Prizm Protein Skimmer is pulling protein out happily as always, <<If you say so [grin]>> and my water testing is showing excellent water, in a system now several years old, so I am not sure if I should be worried or not. <<Mmm, well?the rock/available fauna in a system of this size will not likely be enough to sustain this fish?best to get it eating prepared offerings>> Coppy still picks at the rocks, the sand, and the algae on the glass etc, <<Not the ?algae??not a part of this species diet>> but doesn't eat Nori, veggie, brine shrimp or anything else offered. <<These fish can be quite finicky? I have one that can even differentiate/will refuse differing brands of Mysis Shrimp! But, I have found frozen glassworms (white mosquito larvae) will often entice these and most any other finicky feeder. Do give them a try>> He is "happy", not at all shy, and is "best mates" with Puffy, but I am worried that he is not getting enough nutrition to sustain him. <<Me too>> I haven't seen him poo for a week (but Puffy certainly has), so I am wondering what this "sucking at the surface" is all about? <<Dunno?does seem kind of odd>> I have gleaned from this Site that I can buy (hopefully...in Australia) food products especially for Butterflies, and I will do so promptly, <<?This? Butterfly needs small meaty fare like the Mysis and Mosquito Larvae. Hikari?s frozen Ocean Plankton and Mega Marine are also worth trying>> but ...what is this "sucking at the surface" all about? <<Beats me, mate?Bob?>><Mmm, looking for more food from you likely. RMF> At this point I have to say THANK YOU for the advice available on your Site. <<A collective effort>> Without it I would not have Coppy (or probably still have Puffy, who kept getting stung on his eyes, and could find nowhere to sleep without encountering Aiptasia) and I would still have a miserable, over-run tank. I just don't want Coppy to starve to death as a result of his absolutely brilliant cleanup of Aiptasia. Having spent three hours on your Site today, again I have learned, and I am eternally grateful for the info that led me to buy Coppy and get rid of the Aiptasia...I know it is "hit and miss" as to a particular fish doing the job or not, but Coppy certainly did and I thank you for that. <<Sounds like you scored big with this particular fish>> I am about to replace my killed-off "clean-up crew", but I want to know Coppy is O.K first. Thank you, and best wishes, Janie <<Do give the glassworms a try?bloodworms too. EricR>> Re: Seahorse in refugium, and now Aiptasia contr. -11/27/2007 Thanks for the quick reply. We have decided, based on your advice, to not use sea horses in the refugium. Instead we will nano tank some dwarf seahorse in a separate tank. <cool> On another note, I have been battling Aiptasia anemone for quite some time to no avail. We got the problem from a friend who tore down his tank and gave me some live rock. Tried Joe's juice, <doesn't work> peppermint shrimp, and even removing bad bits of rock, but just couldn't get ahead of them. <In my experience, you need quite a few peppermint shrimp for this method to work at all...> I was considering a copperband butterflyfish when my LFS recommended a Slender Filefish (Monacanthus tuckeri). We were told he is reef safe, but will be a bit nippy and sample a few things. Sounded similar to the copperband except this guy will eat readily. <Hmmm... I wouldn't put either in a reef thank. Please see here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BFsBestWrst.htm and here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fishfish.htm> We got him and he has cleaned almost every Aiptasia in the tank, doesn't seem to bother corals, nips a bit at various worms, <Doesn't mean he won't eventually... but too late now, let's hope he doesn't.> and will happily eat most frozen foods. I wonder why this fish is not mentioned in the control of Aiptasia? <Hmmm, I don't know, but I imagine that (as with most animals) they're not entirely consistent. Yours seems to be quite helpful for Aiptasia and harmless to corals. This might not always be the case for every fish.> I live in the Netherlands and they seem to be common in tanks here, however I rarely see them on American sites. <Thanks for sharing your experience. :-)> Anyway thanks again for the advice/education. Have a great day! <You too, thank you.> Layton <Best, Sara M.> Aiptasia, Butterfly Borrowing for Removal... ? 03/17/07 Hello, <Hi Sarah! Mich here.> I e-mailed you again a few weeks ago with an attached picture of an "anemone." You didn't tell me anything because the picture wasn't very clear, which you told me. Well, I took the picture to the saltwater store near my house and it was indeed Aiptasia. <I'm sorry you didn't get the help you were looking for here, but glad you found it somewhere.> The owners of the store are very friendly so, they let me borrow, which seems weird, one of their raccoon butterflies to eat the Aiptasia. <Very generous.> Luckily, I only have live rock, 2 clown fish, hand full of snails, and my Stomatella snail, so I can't imagine this random, short-term fish would really disrupt much. <Oh, yes.> Anyway, I guess I have a couple questions about my situation. I was looking on your website for hours and nothing seemed to directly answer my questions, so I opted for the direct e-mail method. <OK.> First, I had a huge Aiptasia that was close to 3 inches. I do not see it anymore. I've had this raccoon bf for less than 24 hours. I read that they are nocturnal. Now, is it more likely that the fish ate that large Aiptasia, or it was picking at it, causing the Aiptasia to retract back into the rocks? <Either is possible.> There were a few that were half inch loners that are now gone too, but I still see some very tiny ones. <Hopefully not for long.> Second, I was originally going to get Joe's Juice for it, but my dealer, that lent me the butterfly, said in his experience, he'd get rid of one, but because the skin would still be in the rock, it would reproduce. He'd have one Aiptasia, get rid of it, but 5 would show up in its place a week later. <Yes, can happen.> In my research, it seems that the jury is out on how to handle these pests. What I would like to know, is there any way to PREVENT them? <Don't put them in your system to begin with.> I heard that taking the rock out and placing it in boiling water will kill it, along with the entire rock. <Mmm, yep.> Is that really the only way to "guarantee" that they won't come back? <May ways of dealing with these pests. More here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i3/aiptasia_impressions/aiptaisia_impressions.htm http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/aiptasia/aiptasia.htm http://www.wetwebmedia.com/aiptasiaantoine.htm > I have about 3-4 inches of substrate and I read that substrate can house these pests, too. <Possible, but not terribly common.> I'm not planning on keeping the butterfly, seeing as I only have a 55-gallon tank and I want to house corals and anemones down the road. <Very good.> The dealer said to just return the fish when it's gone, as if this whole situation won't be stressful on the poor fish (sarcasm). <Yes, a generous offer from the LFS, but not sure this was the best option, especially for the fish.> I guess I'm really looking for any information about this, along with my few questions to be answered: 1) Did the fish eat my large Aiptasia this quickly, or did they hide from the fish? <Either is possible.> 2) Prevention of Aiptasia? Try not to introduce to your system and eliminate as soon as noticed. 3) Boiling the rock-is it worth the hassle, or does the Aiptasia still come back? <No point in buying live rock and then boiling it...no longer live. 4) What causes Aiptasia? <Is a living organism, what causes humans? 5) Does prevention mean keeping an Aiptasia eating creature in my tank 24/7? <No.> If so, what would be compatible with snails, clowns, corals, and good anemones... anything? <Peppermint shrimp (Lysmata wurdemanni) is commonly used.> 6) Since I'm "borrowing" this fish, should I be feeding it a supplemental diet, in addition to the Aiptasia? <I would keep him relatively hungry in order to do the job, but I think you should offer some foods. A single item diet is not good for many creatures.> 7) The butterfly's a carnivore type fish, if it's hungry enough will it eat my clowns-they're about 1 1/2 to 2 inches now? <Unlikely.> 8) Is the butterfly going to eat my Stomatella Snail? <Very well may try.> 9) Will the butterfly find the small tiny Aiptasia now that the large ones are "gone?" <Hopefully, there is a good likelihood.> Thank you so much, in advance, <Welcome. -Mich> Sarah Bedford Aiptasia vs. Chelmon testimonial 12/6/06 Good day all. <Greeting to you Pete, Mich here.> This is not a question, it is simply a comment. <Always welcome.> For quite some time I have had a problem with Aiptasia in my reef system. I had unfortunately and carelessly imported some with a piece of live rock. The rock was a wonderful shape and I could not pass it up. Over the course of a year or so the Aiptasia happily multiplied in my well stocked and well fed tank. <Yep, they do that.> I had tried many chemical and non chemical eradication techniques from injections to peppermint shrimp with no success, until I purchased a large copper banded butterfly fish. <Peppermint shrimp usually have to get pretty hungry before they will go after the Aiptasia. It's like eating bran flakes when you have other choices. Aquacultured Berghia Nudibranchs are another alternative. They are obligate Aiptasia eaters (i.e. bran flakes and nothing else). However, without Aiptasia they will quickly starve.> I was forced to keep him in a separate system due to aggression from my yellow and Naso tangs. I would take whatever rock had an infestation and place it in the other tank with the butterfly. He would scour the rock and I would return it to the main display. Unfortunately the Aiptasia would reproduce faster than I could move the rock. There was also the added problem of not wanting to breakdown all of the reefscape. <Breaking down reefscape... Yep, been there, done that, can be a most trying exercise in frustration. Understand wanting to avoid it.> I had informed WWM in a previous email that I had found a home for my big Blondie as well as the yellow, the problem had been catching them without destroying my setup. <Yep.> The solution to this came one day after a 2 hour power outage. When the power returned and my HQI lights came back on the fish were so stunned that I was able to pick them up with a gloved hand. They now have a 600 gallon new home. <Sweet!> Now that the main aggressors are out of my display tank, I have moved the butterfly in. Within 5 days he has eaten all of the thousand or so Aiptasia in the system. <Wow! Sweet again!> He seems to have no interest in my corals, clams or sponges. <Going for a sweet trifecta!> I think I have won. <I think you are correct!> This solution, however would not have been needed if I had just been more careful and patient with my original purchase. <Very wise words my friend.> I just wanted to let people know that at least in my situation the copper banded butterfly was a great success. <Thank you for sharing. It's really nice to hear success stories as many queries do not have happy endings. -Mich> Pete Faulty ORP Readings/Copperband for Aiptasia Control - 10/31/06 Hello, and thank you for all the information you provide. <<Howdy, and you're quite welcome...is a synergetic effort>> I have a 125 gallon saltwater reef tank and I am trying to get the Aiptasia under control as well as increase the quality of life for the species I already have. From my research, I felt that I would try the peppermint shrimp as a way to get the Aiptasia under control and also look at why I have them. <<Mmm...peppermint shrimp are less than reliable controls for Aiptasia anemones, and best utilized "en masse" re which then leaves you with the problem of what to do with all the shrimp once they've completed their intended purpose...not to mention the expense of obtaining several dozen peppermint shrimp>> I read that the 6-line wrasse could eat them so I moved the wrasse to a fish only tank where he is doing fine. The next day all 3 peppermint shrimp were gone. <<Hmm...though I doubt three shrimp would have had much impact...at least not for a very long while (assuming they would eat the anemones to begin with)>> I watched my sailfin tang and it did not seem interested in them. I only have fire fish, clowns, and an algae eating goby type fish. <<Mmm...how large is this "goby?">> With this trail ending in failure, I would like to try a copperband butterfly. <<Not easily kept...and also no guarantee it will take to the Aiptasia any better than peppermint shrimp>> I read that they are difficult to keep. <<Ah yes>> I want to make sure that my tank conditions are up to standard before I purchase one. I use the Aquacontroller Pro to monitor the conductivity, pH, ORP, and temp. The temperature ranges from 74-78 degrees. The pH is at 8.28 but does fluctuate from 7.99 to 8.28 within a 24 hour period. The ORP is the strange reading because I show 572 through 678 in a 24 hour period. <<I think this is likely not an accurate reading. ORP readings this high would certainly have a deleterious affect on your system>> I test for nitrite, nitrate, and ammonia and they always test at or 0 or very close to the lowest scale on the chart. <<Ammonia/nitrite should "always" be 'zero'. Do make sure you have fresh/reliable test kits>> I took a water sample to the fish store and he confirmed my readings. He also tested for phosphate and said it was minimal. <<Whatever his definition of "minimal" is...>> The alkalinity was acceptable but the calcium was low. I tested the ORP in my filtered tap water through the Kold-Ster-il unit and the ORP showed 100. I tested the ORP of the tap water with the salt in a bucket and when agitated with the power head would reach up to 180. I tested the ORP in my fish only tank and it reads 174. I do not use ozone at all. I add the alkalinity supplement every other day and then the calcium supplement on the opposite days of the alkalinity supplement. I contacted Neptune systems and he said the probe and controller are probably correct and working as they should. <<I disagree...an ORP reading of 678 in your reef tank would definitely be mal-affecting your livestock. Anything over about 450 starts to become dangerous to your tank inhabitants. You need to obtain a calibration solution and check the probe's accuracy yourself>> I use a sump with an AquaC 180 protein skimmer and this works well. <<A good skimmer line>> I tested the returns and the water flow is 600 gallons per hour. I do get some green algae growth in the tank but only enough to clean off of the front glass every few days. What could cause the ORP to be so elevated without adding ozone? <<Ozone injection is not the only way to raise ORP (increased water flow or adding "oxidizers" such as iodine can raise ORP levels), but I think in this instance the culprit is a faulty ORP meter/probe>> Do you think the water quality is acceptable for a copperband butterfly with the ORP reading so high? <<I don't think the ORP is an issue, as I don't think the reading is accurate/that there is any hazard if you are not injecting ozone in this system. But being successful with the Copperband involves more than good water quality. You need to have adequate live rock in a "mature" system (preferably augmented with a vegetable refugium) to provide grazing/browsing opportunities for the butterfly. You also need to find a healthy specimen that is feeding on frozen foods as getting them to eat is a common problem. Once you have an "eating" fish, pay attention that it gets its share. These fish are designed for/adapted to browsing the reef for food and don't compete well with most other fishes when the hobbyist dumps in a meal...they even have trouble seeing/finding foods that are swept along in the current. Most will eventually learn that they need to "be on the ball" at feeding time, but they will still have problems with the quicker and more agile fishes beating them to the food>> Before purchasing a copperband, like my other fish, I will find one that has been in the store for at least 2 weeks and that is feeding. <<It will behoove you to set up a quarantine tank for this (all) fish to ensure that it is still feeding (without competition) once you bring it home. I have witnessed on more than one occasion where this fish stopped feeding after the stress of capture/relocation from the LFS>> Thank you everyone for the time you dedicate to helping me as well as many others. Darrell <<Is our pleasure to assist. EricR>> Reef butterfly (Chaetodon sedentarius) for Aiptasia control, use period 2/14/06 Hello. I unfortunately imported some Aiptasia into my system and it is spreading. Grrrr! <Happens> I have had two sad experiences with copperband butterflies. They ate the Aiptasia but still starved to death, as neither would take any of the varied foods I offered. I hate to try one again. I was in a very good LFS here that has a great reputation. One of the staff there who has not led me astray in the past recommended the Caribbean Reef Butterfly (sedentarius) as a voracious consumer of Aiptasia (he showed me this in the store, putting a rock covered in it in the holding tank with several of these fish in there. <Do eat them> Also claimed they leave corals alone if fed even reasonably well, <Variable... by individual... and changeable...> that they readily take frozen and even flake foods, that they get along with other fish and are among the heartiest of the butterflies. <I don't agree with this. Unfortunately it has been... Let me start again: It has been my unfortunate experience that all species of TWA, tropical West Atlantic chaetodonts do poorly in "hobbyist settings"> The only thing he didn't say was that the fish would also increase my salary by 40%. <Heeeee!> How reliable is this information? For some reason I'm hesitant and can find next to nothing in Google on this fish. Thanks. Joel <See the works of Allen and Steene as well here... sedentarius does not historically do well in captivity. There are other means of Glass Anemone control... Please see WWM re... that I would utilize before this B/F. Bob Fenner> Raccoon Butterfly for Aiptasia control part 2 12/4/05 Hi Adam. Thanks for the help. Does it matter which species of Raccoon Butterfly Fish for munching Aiptasia. One local dealer has a nice adult Red Sea one Chaetodon fasciatus), and the other species (Chaetodon lunula), but younger. Thanks, Bill <If the fish both look healthy, I would go for the Red Sea fish unless it is very large (larger than your hand). Best Regards. AdamC.> Raccoon Butterfly for Aiptasia control 11/25/05 Hi Guys, Love the site!!! <Thanks!> I have a 75 gallon Fish-Only tank. I've had it set up & running successfully for more than 11 years. Actually, today is my Clownfish's 11th birthday. <Congrats on your success!!> Current inhabitants include 4 fish (I think I can add a couple more): Clownfish, Coral Beauty, Five-Line Wrasse (kind of cool) - http://www.hawaiisfishes.com/fish_of_month/past_fom/fish_3_03.htm & a Sailfin Tang. I just lost a Tinker's Butterfly that I kept for about 10 years. <Sorry for your loss. I agree that you could add a couple more fish, although your light stocking probably has contributed to your success.> My tank is an Oceanic 75 gal/tank, with a Wet/Dry Trickle Filter. I have had a Prizm skimmer running successfully for a few years. (Had to toss that in, as I read some poor reviews about them, but with normal maintenance, it runs great). After battling nitrates for many years, I decided to add live rock to my tank. I have had skeletal rock in there all along, and have decided to jump into the live rock scene. I bought the rock from a local dealer that I've bought fish from. I'm gradually going to remove all the bio balls, and just use the wet/dry as a sump. <Although the longevity of your fish is proof that your system is working well as it is, the addition of live rock will most likely be an improvement and will certainly help your nitrate problem.> Anyways, like many others, I've discovered quite a bit of Aiptasia Anemones on the 90 lbs of Fiji & Ultra Premium Live Rock I put in. I have been reading your site like a madman, and am considering adding a Raccoon Butterfly to the tank. I know they have a taste for Aiptasia. My main question is if the Live Rock will continue to do its job after the Raccoon munches the Aiptasia, or will the Raccoon be destructive to the Live Rock. I know Raccoons aren't generally reef friendly, but are they Live Rock friendly? Thanks again for all your time. ;-) Bill <A Raccoon is a great choice for it's hardiness and likelihood to eat the Aiptasia. This butterfly will eat some sessile live rock critters, but this will not have any significant negative impact on the "function" of the rock. Good luck! AdamC.> Raccoon Butterflies and Pest Anemones 1/28/2005 Hello Bob,
<Hi Bill, actually Adam J with you this morning.> Awesome Site!
:-D <Thank you.> Question on Butterfly's. I'm a wee bit
confused on this page: <Okay, I'll see if I can help you
out.> http://www.wetwebmedia.com/raccoon.htm
I have a Fish Only tank with Live Rock. I'd love to add a Raccoon
to 'hopefully' munch glass anemones. Will both the Chaetodon
lunula & Chaetodon fasciatus be likely to graze upon them? <From
what I have gathered most are about as likely to eat them. Though
Chaetodon lunula seems to be the easier to find out of the two and thus
it will probably be easier to find a healthier specimen of this
species. However I might add that in my experience a lot of folks who
employ butterfly to rid themselves of pest anemones tend to be
disappointed at times. Often the fish is already spoiled on prepared
foods and tend not to be so "hot" on picking these critters
out of the rockwork. If you have an abundance of pest anemones it can
usually be traced back to overfeeding or a nutrient problem. See here
for some more ideas/details:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/aiptasia/aip&bfsfaqs.htm
and here
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i3/aiptasia_impressions/aiptaisia_impressions.htm
> Aiptasia-Eating Raccoon Butterflies (3/19/05) Hi Folks, <Hi there. Steve Allen with you tonight.> You have all been so helpful that I thought I should report my results for anyone who may have a similar problem. <Thanks for sharing.> I have a 300 gallon reef tank that has been going for many years now. I recently had an Aiptasia infestation. Well, plague would be a better word. <Yikes!> They were everywhere, including starting to sting my polyp colonies. <Yes, this is one of their many problems. I have a Blastomussa that was harmed in this way.> Nothing that I tried worked. Peppermint shrimp did nothing. <It's definitely frustrating when they don't eat what they're supposed to. It's sort of like trying to get a recalcitrant child to eat healthy food.> I turned to a Copperband Butterflyfish. I couldn't keep one alive through quarantine... <These are tough fish to keep alive long-term, and some don't have a personal taste for Aiptasia either.> ... so I finally broke down decided it was time to take a risk with a Raccoon. <Interesting> I got a small one. I kept him in 75-gallon quarantine for 45 days, passing Aiptasia infested rock through to give him a taste. <Good idea.> He has been in my 300 for about a month now, and there is not an Aiptasia to be found! <Congratulations!> The better news is that he has touched none of my corals, and none of my polyps. <I hope that this remains true now that the Aiptasia is gone. Keep him well-fed with other things and keep a close eye on your corals. Again, all fishes have their individual variations, so "reef-safe" and other traits are generalizations that may not hold for a given individual.> I even have two Condylactis Anemones I had taken in as rescues to help out the prior owner, and he hasn't touched those, either. He tells me that the books give his species a bum rap. Maybe its just blind luck, <Good fortune is always welcome. Take it when you can get it.> and there are certainly no guarantees or warranties, but this has been my experience. <Thank goodness for small favors, eh?> Regards, Dale M. <Again, thanks for sharing.> Chelmon and Aiptasia 1/16/04 Hello Anthony! <howdy> My tank has a lot of Aiptasia (can be about 500 ). <hmmm... you do understand my friend that they have become a plague because of a lack of water flow, lack of adequate skimming or lack of water changes... and/or overfeeding. In some way, you have allowed excess food and nutrients to linger in this aquarium which is a sign of potential problems beyond the nuisance of Aiptasia. Please read through our archives about Aiptasia control> I got a Chelmon 3 weeks ago. It eats frozen blood worms and artemia from my hand and since yesterday it eats Aiptasia as well! I have though noticed that it eats only the small Aiptasia and not the bigger ones. Is it typical for the Chelmon? <yes> Does it have to do with its size? Mine is a 2 1/2 '' long. <unfortunately... the Chelmon is treating the symptom (Aiptasia) and not the problem (Excess nutrients). I fear you will have more troubles down the road my friend... at least a bad algae problem> I have also noticed that it begs the Cleaner Shrimp for cleaning. Is it a sign of parasite ? <not necessarily. I'm hoping you kept the fish in 4+ week quarantine before you added it to your display tank> Last but not least, I have limited the activities of my Yellow tang (1 year in my tank) by placing a transparent glass at a corner of my tank and putting him in there. He has a good water flow but not much space. I did this because he terrorized the Chelmon as soon as I put it in the tank. <this is also common... the Chelmon was a very poor choice for this tank. They usually suffer and die prematurely in community tanks. I am sorry to see it here> I intend to keep him in this place for 3 days and then try again to free him and see what happens. <it will not help, alas> In the meantime the Chelmon is eating Aiptasia with no fear of the Tang. I had read the Yellow tang is peaceful to all fish but other Tangs, <not true as you have seen...> but I realize that it is terrifying to other fishes, too. Do you think my method is effective and will reduce his aggressively? <not really... they are aggressive community fishes. Typical behavior> Thanks as always, Your Greek friend, Thanassis <we've been corresponding a long time my friend... some days like this I fear you are not helping yourself to be a responsible aquarist. We must take the time to research the needs of species before we buy them. In this case, any good research on Chelmon and Aiptasia would have guided you away from the purchase and instructed you to take care of the real problem (nutrients). Instead, this beautiful butterflyfish is likely to die one way or another for being kept in an inappropriate community. The partitioning of the tang tells me that you might have ignored many previous advice to get and use a QT tank for isolation of sick or aggressive fishes. I wish you the best... and ask you to be more patient as an aquarist. It will save the lives of these fishes and invertebrates that we all love so much. kindly, Anthony> Copperband Butterfly (CBB) and Aiptasia 10/8/04 Bob and Anthony, have a quick question, CBB are widely known as one of the better ways to eradicate Aiptasia (I have great water quality, but have a large tank and unfortunately these suckers were in the rock). <hmmm... you do realize that this nuisance organism (Aiptasia) like most any other can only spread to plague proportions if it has an (excess) nutrient source. If you over feed, under skim and/or go weak on water changes... then you will get some nuisance organism to exploit it. Other systems with better control on nutrients and/or nutrient export can have these organisms in residence indefinitely with little or no spread. It is wholly about nutrient control... they don't grow from thin air ;)> I have had my AUS CBB for two months now, but he does not seem to be making a dent in the Aiptasia population. The Aiptasia are green in color, is it possible there are certain types of Aiptasia cbb don't eat, or is it my cbb? <it sounds like you are referring to the pest anemone "Anemonia majano" and not Aiptasia. > I have plenty of room for more fish, should I add another Aus. cbb? <a bad idea for several reasons you might guess> I have used calc, and while it works, they regenerate over time. I have read of people using other butterflies, but I am kind of wary of doing so unless you recommend a particular species. <none for this purpose... at best they are treating the symptom and not the problem> I am housing SPS, zoos and leathers, etc.., I would think the zoos are most prone to damage by butterflies, but most species will wipe out sops as well if given the chance. Thanks as always <do treat the problem my friend (much in he archives about Aiptasia and Anemonia control) and avoid risky fishes like butterflies in this reef. Anthony> Aiptasia and butterflyfish Hi Folks, I have a massive Aiptasia problem in my 300-gallon tank. There are too many (and they are too deep in the tank) to inject them all. I read all of your FAQs, and I've unsuccessfully tried the peppermint shrimp route. So, I've come to the point where I want to use Butterflyfish to eat them. << That is what I would try next. >> I have a lot of polyps, and I would prefer to keep them! I am looking at the Copperband, Longnose, and Raccoons. << Go with the copperband. >> Would I be safe in saying the Raccoon is the "most likely" to eat polyps and should be the one to avoid? << Tough to say, but I'll agree, yes Raccoon is last choice. >> As for quarantine, do you think a Copperband and a Longnose would get along in a small QT tank? << I do. I think they are quite compatible. >> Many thanks for your thoughts, Dale M. << Blundell >> Copperband & Aiptasia Hi all. <Hi George, MacL here with you today.> Would like to add a Copperband to my 1-year old 160. <Lovely fish.> My tank has 150+ pounds of live rock that is not stacked against the wall so there is access to all surfaces. <Sounds great.> I can see many amphipods and small brittle stars, Aiptasia too, which is why the desire for a Copperband. Would you expect there to be enough natural prey to sustain a 2-3 inch Copperband or would I have to supplement its diet? <Some Copperbands won't eat Aiptasia and sometimes they will eat any type of anemone just to caution you.> If supplementation is necessary, should that begin from the start or will it need to be a bit hungry to develop an appetite for Aiptasia? <George you don't mention whether you have other fish in your tank that you are feeding anyway. If you do, I think you'll find the butterfly will eat some of that as well. If not, keep a close eye on him to make sure he's eating Aiptasia and if not then definite supplementation. Just as a caution you should know that they might possibly eat or nibble on other corals. MacL>Thanks, George Aiptasia Tip <Hi! Ryan with you today> I currently have a 2 foot tank with 3 fish (Maroon Clown, Firefish Goby and Eibli Angel) the angel being the latest addition into the aquarium. I also have 1 fire shrimp and 1 skunk cleaner shrimp and a turbo snail. I put the Eibli Angel (1" Specimen) into my tank about 5 days ago and till now he has not eaten anything that I have added into the aquarium. I feed Ocean Nutrition Formula 2 Pellet food supplemented with Baby Brine Shrimp. The Maroon and Firefish go wild with the Formula 2 pellets but the Eibli Angel doesn't even take a look. Instead all it does is swim around the tank and in between the live rock nipping at the various algae and pods that are there. I remember having at least 4 red Aiptasia and 1 Green Aiptasia before adding in the Angel and I am certain of this as I was doing research as to how to get rid of them. My tank has been up and running for a while now ~ 1 year and the Aiptasia have been there since I can remember. Well now, there is not a sign of Aiptasia in my tank at all. My Eibli Angel is not appearing skinny at all and I have witnessed it "passing motion" 3 times already in the last 2 days. So from this i conclude that it has eaten my Aiptasia and I'm very happy about this. Yes my tank is small but I will be getting a 5 or 6 footer soon. Not asking for any advice just sharing my experience. <Thank you for sharing. I will pass this along for others to refer. Ryan> Aiptasia, Copperband, No Quarantine? Hi all, my two month old 55 gal tank (only with LR and now some snails) is being overrun by Aiptasia. Was going to go the peppermint shrimp route until they died in transit via FedEx. My LFS (AWESOME) has offered a copperband for a couple weeks to clean them out and then I can return him. I know we are not supposed to be adding non-quarantined fish to the display tank, and past experience proves that theory as valid for me. Should I use the fish without QT? Do we bend the rules in this case? Do I put the Butterfly right in the tank to go to work on the Aiptasia without a quarantine first? My understanding is that this Butterfly has a pretty specialized diet and is pretty hard to keep to begin with. Quarantining him in a bare tank would seem dangerous for the animal to begin with. I know your opinion on QT so maybe I am wasting my breath. <You are correct, nothing goes into the main tank without a 4-5 week QT.> He also says the Peppermint Shrimp route is a 50/50 toss since there are two species of Peps and you might get the one that doesn't eat the Aiptasia. Says the Copperband is the best route. <Not sure about the two species, but the camel back shrimp is oft confused with the peppermint.> This LFS is one of the most highly reputable and respected in my area, so chances are the fish would be in good condition and clean, but one never knows. <Exactly. You might check here http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/aiptasia/aipfaqs.htm and the links at the top of the page for more on Aiptasia. Don> Any advice? Thanks. Aiptasia control Dear all,<Hey Peter, Phil Here!> Since upgrading my lighting, I am gradually converting my FO+LR 65 gallon aquarium to a more reefy aquarium. It is lightly stocked with fish, 3 blue-green Chromis, one yellow tang, one purple Dottyback, but before I go further I need to control my Aiptasia, as they are spreading from an initial one to around ten now. Reading your articles and other books it looks quite tough and I'd like to stop it sooner rather than later.<Good plan, my man!> My question is a: would peppermint shrimps fight with my single blood shrimp? (or any problems with the uninvited hairy looking crab I have, about an inch wide)<Is the crab greenish...? It might be a Mithrax crab... the good guys. I don't thing the shrimp would fight in a tank this big. Just so you know, not all peppermint shrimp eat Aiptasia. I have one peppermint in each one of my tanks. So far out of three, two have eaten the Aiptasia. One does not touch it. So it may be a hit or miss.> b: Would an appropriate butterfly fish mean I could never have an attractive reef system? So far I only have star polyp and yellow polyps and would be generally keeping undemanding coral. The butterfly fishes are very attractive.<Yes they are very attractive, but most rate poorly on the captive care scale. If you want to go w/ a butterfly try Burgess's Butterflyfish. It has one of the best ratings. But I think your tank is stocked to the point that a butterflyfish is out of the question. Your best bet is to try a Peppermint Shrimp.> Thank you for sharing your knowledge - Peter, England<No problem!! Phil> FISH that eat Aiptasia Bob, I have a couple of the Aiptasia (not sure how to spell it) in my tank. I used to have about 20 or 30 of them at one time until I introduce some peppermint shrimp. Now I don't have the peppermint shrimp anymore and the Aiptasia has return. I think there is a butterfly fish that would take care of this problem, however I don't want a fish that is overly sensitive. Do you know of any fish? <<You called it, it's the Copper-band Butterfly and probably one of the few if only fish that is a documented Aiptasia eater. There are other fish who will eat this stuff, but it's never a sure thing. Sadly, Copper-bands can be a little touchy and many people lose them after the Aiptasia runs out. You may want to resort to some more peppermint shrimp. You can read up about the Copper-band here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/chelmonfaqs.htm >> <<Cheers, J -- >>
Copperband butterfly and other pest anenomes? Hey there WWMCrew! <Cheers, Chris! Anthony Calfo here> I've read some of you FAQ's as well as searched others experiences on various discussion boards but I still have unanswered questions regarding copperband butterfly fish inclination toward other pest Anemone species besides Aiptasia. Do you think a copperband would prey on a. majano (aka rock anenomes) and or other types of pest anenomes besides Aiptasia? <hmmm... I don't believe that they will prey on them much or at all> If not, can you recommend any other type of bio control for rock anenomes? <believe it or not... juvenile (kinda reef safe) Emperor Angels have frequently been observed feeding on a. majano!!!> Would a copperband harm xenia? <there is definitely that possibility. Has happened before> Thanks for any advice you could provide. Chris aka sharkdude <keep on rockin in the free world, sharkdude! Anthony> Copperband Butterfly isn't Eating what it's Supposed to (Aiptasia) Bob, <<Actually, JasonC doing the do while Bob is away diving.>> I've just purchased a Copperband for my reef tank. He's less than 2.5" and constantly searches for food and picks at the rock but he has no interest in the Aiptasia. He's housed in a 36x18x18 tank with LR & LS and has a small Tomato Clown, a Banggai, a Blue Damsel and a Purple Firefish for tank mates. No one is harassing him. There are soft corals and some inverts in the tank. <<ok so far...>> Should he eventually become interested in the Aiptasia or does this disinterest happen occasionally. <<I would think so, sure - how long has it been in there? Probably still adjusting to your system - new surroundings.>> Either way, he's beautiful! <<They are, aren't they.>> What can I feed to supplement the Copperband's diet? <<Try a little of everything you've got - Mysis, brine, etc. Also check the FAQ's on the copper-band: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/chelmonfaqs.htm >> Thanks for your time, Tony <<Cheers, J -- >> Re: Aiptasia and "stop-Aiptasia" Hi, Jason! <<Hello!>> Thanks for your thoughts on the Aiptasia. <<no problem.>> Re. the butterfly fish... would you think the longnose would be a better choice for my reef, or would you "just say no" to that family altogether? If no to them, do you have a favorite angel which would be a better choice? Thanks again! <<I'm sure there's one in the family that can be trusted. I would recommend that you read through the many butterfly pages on the WetWebMedia site - here's a good place to start: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BFsBestWrst.htm >> Jimr <<Cheers, J -- >> My spreading Aiptasia, sorry I forgot to send the pics the first time <Yikes, nice pic... and yes, this is them> Thanks very much for the information on Aiptasia. I read through a lot of the articles but it sounds like the maximum size it gets is 2 inches some of mine are 4 inches tall. <Umm, they do get four inches tall... sometimes more... in the wild and in aquariums.> I am sending some pics along hoping you can tell me for sure what it is that I have. I also read what you recommend to get rid of them. At one time I had a pair of Peppermint shrimp and one day I saw my sixline eating one and the other was never seen again. <Perhaps "turn about is fair play"> I'll give you a quick description of what's in my tank in hopes you can tell me what best I need to rid this problem. Several snails, hermit crabs, a cleaner shrimp, clams, purple tang, six line wrasse, purple firefish, long nose hawk, Catalina, cardinals, goby, sally light foots and some emeralds, and a couple of others, the SPS corals are the highlight. My tank is a 150 gallon with all the extras, skimmer, calcium reactor and so on. If you wouldn't mind pointing me in the right direction as far as type of predator and quantity to rid my tank of this problem I would be forever grateful. I also wanted to thank you for the great service you do, you site has helped me a lot in my saltwater adventures, thanks in advance, Bill <Ah, glad to hear, read... I would try the Peppermint Shrimp and/or Berghia nudibranch here... for a couple of months... and possible a Chelmon butterflyfish if it will fit... As you have so many pest anemones now... mechanical removal, poisoning are not options. Bob Fenner> Fish (Copperbands) compatibility Sorry Bob, just one more question, then I leave you :-) <Okay> I?m having a outbreak of Aiptasia ( blargh ) ? I?m thinking adding a Copperband fish? I read that he likes eating oysters and such? will be eating my softies and Tridacnas ? What about my shrimps ? <Almost always Chelmons and Chelmonops leave Soft Corals and Tridacnids alone... Bob Fenner> Thank you Proenca Aiptasia, Butterflyfish Predators Oh, another thing I just discovered is that i think I might have Aiptasia, they look like the pictures but mine are more red-ish brown. My wife thinks there cool, will they cause any trouble in a fish only with live rock environment? <Only if they become too numerous... you will see this happening soon, if so...> and if they will, will the Bannerfish or Angel keep them under control? thanks a lot <These two won't touch Aiptasia, or other pest anemones. Bob Fenner> Re: Aiptasia, Butterflyfish Predators what other fish would be a good one to get to help control these? I see you suggest a Copperbanded on the website, but I had always heard these where incredibly hard to keep. Also I guess I would need a fish that would eat other stuff for when it has taken care of the Aiptasia problem. <About all my suggestions for bio-controls of Glass Anemones are posted on the WWM site...> Also do you have a suggestion for different angel that I could get in replacement for the Imperator since I doubt I will get a bigger tank for a couple years? (possibly a Queen, Passer, or Majestic) <Look at the Dwarf genera, Centropyge, Genicanthus... as listed where?> Thank you so much for spending the time to answer my questions. <It's all I've got... Bob Fenner> Aiptasia! Hi Bob, I read all the info about Aiptasia, and how to control them, but I'm afraid of the outcome. I was thinking either copperband or nudibranch, but I'm afraid they will attack my corals also, I have SPS, hard, and soft, polyps, mushroom, and sponges. <Please don't worry... the organisms mentioned very rarely harm soft, hard corals... also, consider the "null hypothesis" (the "cost" of doing nothing)... with profusion of the Aiptasia, your other life will be much more bothered...> I tried to introduced the true peppermint twice, but all 4 seems to perish, I'm assuming it was the boxer shrimp that are responsible, <Yes, this happens.> at one time even the yellow tang was trying to attack them so I tapped on the window so he would stop. Boy never seen this pest reproduce so quickly. I tied the injection route, and even pulling them out of their hole that a chunk of rock was removed, but still no luck! Now I'm also seeing them on the side view of my tank. Tried to raise Elegance so I could sting them, but can keep that guy alive. My LFS tried to sell me this liquid to stop Aiptasia, nooo, not me I know that stuff is not safe for reef. <You are wise here my friend> Does this sound like it is the end of alternative for me? Thank you! and I hope I'm not being an Aiptasia (pest) to you! <Hah! No worries. Do try the "Emperor's Daughter" (another name for Chelmon), or Berghia... you will soon be rid of Glass Anemones (but not me!), Bob Fenner> HELP!!!!!! AIPTASIA!!!!!! please reply if able hello Mr. Fenner!! i have a few questions i hope you can help me with. first of all i am very glad i found this site! second, those damn Aiptasia anemones!!!! i have a 125 Berlin system that was just perfect until i put a few pieces of new rock in my tank then WAM!!! Aiptasias! i have tried injecting with calcium, hot water .i even put 4 peppermint shrimp in there, and the more i try to destroy the more that show up. I am very worried about my tank , that was once so beautiful, that is now starting to be a living hell. I have herd of people of using copper injection and such, but that is just too risky for me. i have also herd of people throwing their rock out. I cant afford that at all. I was thinking of adding about 7-10 more peppermint shrimp ,i think this would be the safest way. I think) that is why i am asking you for your professional help. <Instead of making your dealer wealthy buying a bunch more Lysmata shrimp, look into an Aiptasia-eating Butterflyfish. Specifically, if it will go in your system, a Chelmon species (Copperband)... If this fish can't be accommodated, let me know, and we'll go down the list> my last question is how many times a week should i be feeding my tank? I always get different answers on this. my tank consists of the following,2 inch live sand bed,225pounds of Fiji live rock from flying fish express.1 inch and a half perc clown with a huge 18 inch across saddle anemone, a 3 inch purple tang, a 1 and a half inch royal Gramma, 1 serpent star, 1 sand star, and about 10 red leg crabs and 10 blue leg crabs, plus astrea snails. sorry this is so long ,well take care ,if you don't have time to reply i will understand, i will try to figure something out. <Rather than an arithmetic rule, the appearance (index of fitness... fullness) and behavior (index of eagerness?) ought to be your guide here... but by and large, two small feedings a day should do it. Bob Fenner> The two listed below in laymen terms are the copperband bitterly and ?. I need to know so I can pursue getting one. What is the most effective choice if I have many SPS, soft corals, mushrooms and other invertebrates. Your help has been greatly appreciated. Bryan S. >> Hmm, the best route I can think of is to send you to a fabulous tool called fishbase: http://www.cgiar.org/iclarm/fishbase/search.cfm Key this URL in your address bar and go there... key in the Genera (Chelmonops...) and take a look at the species, pictures, et al. listed there for each species. You will probably have to use the scientific names for ordering these fishes... Bob Fenner > << I have been on a mission. I am have a serious problem with Aiptasia > anemones. I have tried everything. I am considering Aiptasia away. I haven't tried copperband butterflies because of the many SPS, and other corals I have in the tank. I have about 20 peppermint shrimp and they just don't seem to be getting the job done. If you have any recommendations, please let me know. I am in despite need they are starting to sting my SPS colonies. > Bryan >> > Do try a Chelmon rostrata or a genus Chelmonops butterfly.... the vast majority of these leave stony corals alone. > Bob Fenner whose Aiptasia article and FAQs on these distasteful glass anemones is stored at www.wetwebmedia.com Thank you for your response. My 70 gallon reef tank has the following livestock: 2 firetail gobies, a flame angel, 2 open brains, an elegance coral, a plate coral, a bubble coral, feather dusters, polyps, mushrooms, a moonstone, candy cane coral, and one cleaner shrimp. I use 6 power heads and a hot 1 skimmer, the live rock, and a Whisper carbon cartridge mechanical filter. I have one 175 watt metal halide and two 45 watt compact fluorescents. I run all the lights 6 hours with 2 hours on each side with the actinics only. Any suggestions for my tank and the glass anenomes would be appreciated. Thank you, Joe Keller < Joe, I would try adding a 3-5 inch Chelmon rostrata (Copperband Butterflyfish) to this system, if you can find an initially healthy specimen. Your Aiptasia will soon be a memory. Bob Fenner>
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