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FAQs on Marine pH, Alkalinity, Measure, Test Gear
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Re: Help! My tank looks like a plantation! Now e- pH measure... –
08/01/07 Thanks Bob. Previous to the disaster, the parameters
seemed perfect. I was using a Pinpoint Ph monitor and the new probe is
faulty (says me). <Mmm, unusual... perhaps just needs to be
calibrated... Otherwise I'd return> I overdosed the tank with buffer
which pretty much caused disaster. <... please see WWM... All such
changes need to be made gradually VIA pre-made/mixed water> I
contacted the manufacturer, he told me there's no such thing as a
reliable Ph test <What? Ridiculous> which makes me wonder why I
bother with the Ph monitor if it's not reliable despite the promise that
it is. <These tools are accurate and precise...> I should probably
get some more snails. I haven't seen the Nassarius for a bit. Thanks
so much again, Lisa <Keep reading. RMF>
Re: Was: Help! My tank looks like a plantation! pH probe. – 08/01/07
I calibrated it twice when it seemed to be reading low after the first
week. Is it possible the calibration fluid is bad? I'm using the
packets 7 and 4. <Not likely... I think you have a bad probe...
Perhaps a manufacture defect, broken or let dry out too much... Time to
send it back. BobF> Thanks, Lisa
pH Issues…The Need For More “Understanding” – 07/01/07 Hello,
<<Greetings>> In a previous email, I was recently advised regarding
my Nitrate problems and want to say thanks for the help. <<Don’t know
who this was, but am sure you are most welcome>> My Nitrate is around
20-30 ppm and improving each time I check. <<Ah good, but still a
ways to go>> It is easy for me to maintain now with partial water
changes...that darn wet/dry was the culprit. <<These devices serve a
purpose, but I agree this is often the case>> Anyhow, my next and
maybe even more important problem is my pH levels. <<Oh?>> It is
always low. <<Mmm…>> I use RO/DI water with Red Sea or Oceanic
salt. <<I would use a better/more consistent mix…perhaps Seachem…or
Tropic Marin if you can afford such>> Recently, I've been using Kent
Marine "Liquid Calcium Reactor" for buffering new water added, but not
the whole main tank though. <<Again, I suggest you abandon this
product and try one actually formulated to boost/maintain pH. Seachem’s
Reef Buffer is such a product. (are we starting to see a trend here?
[grin])>> I have even added small amounts of baking soda, (about 3
teaspoons dissolved at one time) but this does not seem to be helping.
<<The Sodium Bicarbonate will help bolster Alkalinity but really does
little for boosting pH; it contains CO2 as a byproduct of its
manufacture. I’ve even seen pH fall from the addition of large amounts
of Baking Soda. Driving-out the CO2 from the Baking Soda will render
Sodium Carbonate, which “will” raise pH but requires careful use not to
overdue. If you wish to give this a try…spread the Baking Soda on a
cookie sheet and “bake” in the oven at 300-degrees F for about an hour.
Or save yourself the time and possible grief and use the Seachem
product. I’ve found you can even save a little money by mixing Baking
Soda with the Reef Buffer on a 3 to 1 ratio and still attain
satisfactory results>> I try to be cautious to change things in a
slow manner, not abruptly. <<Sage advice in most instances>> My
tank is a 160-gallon FOWLR tank with about 19 small to medium fishes,
120-lbs of live rock, and around a 4-inch aragonite sand bed. Last but
not least, just before writing I took a pH reading of around 7.4 and a
9.6 dKH on alkalinity/hardness. <<Hmm…how are you measuring pH
(meter, test kit, strips)? I would validate this test as I think a true
pH of 7.4 would be having a deleterious effect on your fishes>> I
think my buffering is ok, but not the pH, obviously. <<Maybe, maybe
not…validate that test with another/newer test kits or a borrowed
meter>> Is there anything you can suggest based upon this
information? <<As already stated>> This is a new area for me.
<<Ah yes, well…you need a bit more understanding of the topic. Start
reading here and among the links in blue:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marphalk.htm >> Let me know if you need
any more information. Have a nice day. Christopher <<And you as
well. EricR>> pH measurement variation, Electronic
2/18/07 Great site guys - I'm a month into a 44 gal (US)
tank, just two clownfish, cleanup crew and live rock. I use an
electronic pH monitor, and wanted to share an unusual source of error.
<Okay> One afternoon the pH (normally around 8.15) was reading 7.94.
I nearly started to add lots of Kalk, but I was puzzled how that much
water could change that fast. It hadn't - one of my snails had crawled
down the electrode, and slimed it through the plastic outer shield. Once
he was gone, normal readings were restored... <Interesting> Now
if the pH electrode had been on a controller wired to the Kalk pump, I
dread to think what could have happened. I'm still thinking how to make
a snail guard to keep them far from the actual glass bulb. <A good
idea> Oh, for those folks asking after pH standards, my vote is for
Omega pHydrion kit - 3 lots of 10 powder capsules (pH 4, 7, 10), all for
£15. <Thank you for this "plug"> Each make 100 ml, with 3 month
shelf life. If you really want to make your own (or just to check the
calibration has worked), the easiest is 0.01M borax at pH 9.18, but
check the temperature, and it goes off with CO2 in the air, so make it
fresh. <Ah, yes> National Bureau of Standards has good info on
buffers - sadly I can't see one around pH 7 from kitchen materials.
<Very pure water...> Thanks --David <Bob Fenner>
Lighting interference with pocket pH tester 1/12/06
Belated Happy New Year! <Thanks> I thought I would pass on an
experience I have had recently that cost me dearly. I bought a Milwaukee
pH tester, waterproof, very nice. Next I bought a new Jebo pc fixture
with 2 65W half 10000K and half actinic lamps. This fixture has an
external ballast which is very nice, lighter in weight and easier to
hang above the tank. Now for the bad part. When I used my new tester
on my tanks, I have 2, it read perfectly, 8.2 to 8.3 on each tank.
Before I checked my pH levels again I bought the new light and was using
it. On my smaller tank the pH was still 8.2 to 8.3 but my big tank was
6.9!! I panicked and got some buffer and started trying to get the pH
up. Nothing was working. I don't know how much I finally ended up adding
but I couldn't get the pH above 7.3. Hindsight being 20/20, I
realize how big a mistake I made and won't repeat it. But I didn't find
out what was the problem until I tried to show a friend the way the pH
tester worked and had it in a cup of water and turned on. It was reading
7.2 in the cup but when I brought the cup up to the top of the tank to
test the water there the reading dropped to 5.4! I moved the cup with
the tester in it back and forth a few times and watched the reading go
up and down. Finally I turned the Jebo light off and the reading stayed
put. And it tested the same as the test kit showed. I never thought
about a light fixture interfering with a tester. <Mmm... RF...
electronics...> Unfortunately I didn't learn until after I burned up
most everything in my tank with high pH, 8.8 was the highest it tested.
And of course then I started doing water changes and everything I could
think of to bring it back down. It seemed to take forever to stabilize.
I lost all of my 'pods, some snails, my serpent star, and cleaner shrimp
which had gotten so big. I was heart broken for I don't know how long.
The good news is that after what has seemed like forever my tank is back
healthy. Even my 'pods are back and I have baby Nassarius snails too.
They look really cute in there. I am still dealing with algae problems
like a newly cycled tank but it's getting better. I am telling all
of this to hopefully keep someone else from having a similar disaster.
Agnes <Mmm, Please do consider writing Jebo re this interference
issue... Could be very important to their business... especially when
the folks at UL catch up with this part of the trade again. Bob Fenner>
Test Kits? Hi Bob, Thanks for the info on test kits, and for
the baking soda suggestion. I'm in the process of adding it (didn't want
to add it all at once, so I'm doing it over three days). Follow up
question: Would it help further if I also added some sodium carbonate,
or will the bicarb reach equilibrium as a bicarb/carbonate mixture on
it's own? Perhaps I could mix up a stock buffer solution, and add when I
add my Kalkwasser... Any dangers here? Thanks again, Randi
<Very perceptive on the carbonate/bicarbonate question... Yes, just add
the bicarbonate... it would turn (more to) carbonate in a more alkaline
environment... And some dangers in mixing Kalkwasser and the
bicarb... best to settle on some of both... and a "mid-ground" in
alkalinity and biomineral concentration... Nothing wrong with 350ppm
calcium with 3.5 or higher alkalinity... 400-500 ppm calcium with low
alkalinity is worthless... Add the materials separately... IMO... or buy
a pre-made dry mix of the two and mix/add it at once... or best... look
into a calcium reactor... I see one in your future... and you're
happy... Hmm, I would send those test kits back... sounds like the
reagents have had it... I mainly use Hach and Salifert test kits...
fast, accurate, and inexpensive considering we do many tests...
Coralline algae can/does spread quickly given propitious circumstances:
plenty of biominerals, high alkalinity (3.5+) and a paucity of competing
and predatory life forms... it can cover an entire system in a month at
about the best... Hmm, do me a favor, and add a few teaspoons to
your tank (about one per ten gallons) of baking soda (sodium
bicarbonate) and check in the morning to see if you can register any
alkalinity... Bob Fenner >> pH Monitors Hi Bob,
Santa Claus is coming to town, and I was thinking of asking him for a pH
Monitor. They seem very useful, but are they more trouble than they're
worth, i.e.; will I have to constantly have to re-calibrate it, buy a
new probe every x months? Any input on these "gadgets" would be greatly
appreciated. <Is this for linking to a specific controller? Or just a
time to time "pen type"? If the former, look to the manufacturer's
recommendations. The latter? Most all the inexpensive models are fine...
For new purchase of the former I like PinPoint... the latter? I use a
YSI (Yellow Springs Instruments) And nah to having to recalibrate them
if they're stored properly (moist, in standard solution) or buy new ones
all the time... they last for years if properly cared for.> LEAK
UPDATE I month ago I wrote you about a leak in my tank. After writing
to you, I talked to my LPS and asked him if he had any advice. He showed
me one of his tanks that cracked right in front. He put a piece of
cellophane tape over the crack, then put some silicone sealant over the
tape. He said it was there for a year now. As my leak was coming from
under the tank frame, I figured I'd give it a shot. (much better than
tearing down the whole tank). I'm happy to say it seems to be holding.
My leak was very minute, actual water drops never reached the bottom of
my tank stand. I got a "growth" of salt creep which was manageable. So,
one would want to consider that before trying this. Have you ever seen
any one use this quick fix? If you have any comments on this I'd
appreciate it. <Have seen it... and done such things myself... as you
can appreciate, not a good suggestion to post on the Net... Would/do
encourage the resealing if this tank at your earliest convenience... and
investigation as to the cause of the leak (likely an uneven surface the
tank is on...)> Thanks as always for your help, and have a Happy
Holiday, Tony <You're welcome my friend in fish. Bob Fenner>
pH Monitors Dear Bob, I'm looking at the Pinpoint monitor. I'm
not planning on connecting it to a controller. I was under the
impression that these monitors were left in the sump at all times as a
constant pH monitor. <Some, yes... other electronic pH meters are
intended for periodic use... still others are utilized with pumps/valves
to feed materials into a system to modify the pH.> My thinking was
that as pH is arguably the first sign of things going bad (or good), it
would make my life easier by not having to do a standard test all the
time. Please educate me... <The first sign? Likely your animals'
behavior/appearance... But pH is a useful window for "slower",
"longer-term" changes... Some diurnal pH fluctuation is to be expected,
and the reductive events in a captive system will trend pH downward...
but you can have entire wipeouts without a shift in detectable pH...>
...and YES to not posting that (leak remedy) on the web. I could see it
now, someone trying to seal up a dripping leak with Scotch tape. YIKES!
I'm going to see if the method holds. Tearing down a tank is the
pits..... <Ah, glad to find we're in agreement> Thanks again, Tony
PS Just a note, my son (13) recently set up his first FO 29 gal. tank.
Now, he's using your book (CMA) for a reference. He loves it, too. His
filtration is an undergravel filter... that all. He's got a damsel in
the tank now. He plans on getting only hardy fish (Dotty's, triggers,
etc.) If you could add only one of the following (Skimmer, canister
filter, fluidized bed) which would be the most beneficial. His budget is
meager at best. I help him out, but, want to teach him to save a little
dough for the things he wants. <All worthwhile lessons. The skimmer
is my first choice... maybe the less-expensive new "Prizm" by Red Sea...
Bob Fenner> Re: pH Monitors Thanks again, Bob. Two
more and I'll leave you alone.... 1 - Are the Pinpoint monitors
supposed to remain in sump all the times? <They can (but do take out
the electrodes for periodic cleaning) or can be utilized periodically...
like moved between tanks for measuring, then stored... I would do the
latter.> 2 - Is the prism skimmer quiet? I've got a Turboflotor. How
quiet is it compared to the Turboflotor? <Only have second hand
experience here, but yes, are much quieter> Thanks again for all your
help, Tony PS The web site gets better all time, keep up the good
work! <You're welcome. Thank you. Bob Fenner> pH/Reactor
Advice II Hi Steve: It turns out that the brand new pH test
kit that I bought with an expiration date of 2005 was defective! I mean
this kit was brand spanking new. Absolutely amazing. My pH was most
likely around 8.1 all along knowing what I know now. It is now around
8.2 mornings/8.4 evenings because I started to add buffer to correct my
false low pH before I figured out what was going on. There's a lesson
there for me and anyone else reading this. Just by coincidence,
FFExpress is having a sale on pH meters -- very cheap compared to $1,500
in livestock. Sorry to bother you, and elated to know that my tank is
doing much, much better than I first feared. <No bother at all. Glad
to hear things are OK. Do remember to get the reagents to calibrate the
pH meter if you get one.> As for the Ca reactor, I need to play with
it some more to get a better handle how it performs and its sensitivity.
It's only been two weeks. I was just trying to see if I could get any
additional input from you while trying to dial it in. <Now rereading
your first query, you seem to be pretty close at 20 bubbles per minute.
A little more tinkering and you should be set.> I will never use the
Chemi-clean again. Felt very funny/leery using it the first time because
it goes against everything you guys preach. Cyanobacteria came back
anyways, probably because I only used a half dose of the stuff
originally. Either that or the stuff is snake oil. <Probably the half
dosage. Most of these Cyano killers are erythromycin and it will kill
Cyanobacteria as well as some other things and turn your tank a funky
color a lot of times. But does nothing to stop it from coming back
later.> Very small bloom right now. Will try to correct with reduced
lighting, water changes, good feeding practices, perhaps macro-algae...
<A good course of action except for the reduced lighting. Your corals
need their light.> Thanks again for your ear and your wonderful
service. Jim <Do not hesitate to write again. -Steven Pro>
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