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FAQs on Reef Filtration: Plenum Operation
Related Articles: Reef Filtration,
Plenums,
Biological Filtration, Marine Substrates,
Related FAQs: Plenums 1,
Plenums 2, Deep Sand Beds,
& FAQs on Plenum: Rationale/Use,
Design, Installation,
Altering/Adding Media,
Troubleshooting/Repair, &
DSBs 2, DSBs 3,
Nitrates 1, Nitrates 2,
Nitrates 3, Nitrates 4,
Nitrates 5, Nitrates 6,
Nitrates 7,
Nitrites, Ammonia,
Establishing Cycling,
Biofiltration, Phosphate,
Silicates,
Biological Filtration, Fluidized Beds,
Bio-Ball, Wet-Dry Media 1
Denitrification/Denitrifiers,
Wet-Dry Filters, | |
Reworking An Existing System-Trials And Tribulations Thanks for
the comments and the link. <My pleasure! Glad I could help!> I was
recently counseled by a pretty reputable local dealer to leave the
plenum alone because disturbing it would release all kinds of chemicals
I don't want in excess in the system so leave it be. I don't think
that's a good idea. I believe this could be remedied with activated
carbon in the sumps. The other option is shut off one tank at a time,
completely drain it, Rip the plenum out hopefully without damaging
the glass and replacing it with course crushed coral and live rock, and
add ~ 92 Gal of New Salt water to the system. HELP!!! <Well, I would
be inclined to agree with this guy, actually. My biggest concern is
releasing potentially noxious compounds into the water after
disassembling the plenum. If you are so inclined, I would consider this
a complete "breakdown" of the system, and treat it as such. That means
removing everything, executing the massive water changes that you
mention, as well as some good mechanical filtration to remove as much of
the detritus )which will no doubt be released into the system as a
result of this activity) as possible. I think you pretty much have the
rest of it wired...don't forget very aggressive protein skimming, too.
Also, be sure to monitor ammonia and nitrite for some time after the
procedure is completed, and don't add any new fishes or other livestock
until the tests confirm all is stable...> Side note-The first sump is
loaded with Aiptasia. I've been adding peppermint shrimp to the sump
but I don't see the shrimp actively eating anything. I could pull the
Caulerpa out and try to pull them off or use something to make them
release (Fresh water dip???). But I would be taking a significant
nutrient reducer away from the system. If the freshwater did would work
without killing the Caulerpa that might be a feasible option. <Well,
Caulerpa can leach some chemicals into the system if ripped or otherwise
stressed. I'd opt to remove all of the Caulerpa and go with my one of my
favorite "purposeful" macroalgae, Chaetomorpha linum. It's every bit as
efficient as Caulerpa, but with none of the "dark side" that you need to
be aware of when utilizing Caulerpa. I applaud you if you were referring
to the Aiptasia when you were talking about removing a "significant
nutrient reducer" from your system. These animals are very efficient at
processing nutrients. In fact, Anthony Calfo, in his "Book of Coral
Propagation", suggests a novel use for excess Aiptasia: use them as a
natural "scrubber" in a dedicated raceway, channeling nutrient-laden
water into a field of these anemones. Very cutting edge; very cool, if
you ask me!> I also have green and red Cyano bacteria breakout
occurring ( High Phosphates??) This seems to happen when the CO2
stops releasing into the Calc reactor. Right know I have the Calc
reactor off for the night cycle. Don't know if this is adding to the
problem. <Well, it is possible that it can be contributing to it...>
I believe there is enough aeration in the sump and enough photosynthesis
for me to do continuous run with the calc reactor without dropping the
pH significantly. I don't have a pH or kH probe and I don't know how
good my judgment is with the liquid test strips. <An electronic pH
meter is a good investment if you're gonna use a calcium reactor..>
So far I've been watching the tanks for positive response to my
adjustments. According to the kits I use I would guess kH to be low and
pH to be 8.4 the upper limit to where you want to be. Calcium ???.
<Ask a dozen people, you'll get a dozen answers. My answer is at least
350ppm> I believe the high iron content of our water to be a
contributor to the hazy colors I get from the test kits. I started
pretreating all my water with carbon to try to reduce the iron and it
appears to be helping. <RO/DI is a great start to prep source
water...> About our water. Our water is so hard that if you let it
sit with circulation you will have piles of iron and carbonate
precipitates on the bottom and sides of the tank. Precipitates so hard
they have to be removed with a metallic scraper. <THAT's hard, ladies
and gentlemen!> If I go a RO unit to deal with this I would
anticipate about a quarter of the expected life from the filters in this
type of system. <That's being optimistic!> What fun. <Ain't
it, though? Good luck! Scott F.> New System Dear Bob,
An addition to the previous message! <Please copy/paste, forward
previous pertinent information, messages...> Is it a good idea to
bypass the Plenum with some of the main tank water, straight into the
return chamber? <The plenum? No... unless it is part of a refugium
style sump, and you have another parallel sump to bypass it by...> I
read somewhere that Plenums don't like too much flow through them.
<Think you're referring to something else... Plenums don't have water
actually flowing through them. Please read:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/Plenums.htm and the linked files above>
For my return pumps I am using 2 Grundfos 15/50 Selectric central
heating pumps with Aquaturn conversion kits on them making them safe for
saltwater. I got the pumps free from a mate who is a plumber! <These
are good products... do keep them free of debris... especially the
cooling throughput in the front and back internal (volute) areas... not
made to pump particulates> I hope to get it all completed in the next
few weeks. I hope you find this letter interesting. When complete I will
be more than happy to send you a few photos of the system from sunny
England! Eden Maddocks <Sounds smashing. Cheers. Bob Fenner>
Re: How long before plenum becomes effective? Thank you for the
reply Anthony. <very welcome, good sir> Just so I have things
straight. I do have 3" of sand on top of the actual plenum so a total of
4"). Is this what you are referring to as the DSB? <you actually
have a 3" Deep Sand Bed (DSB)... the plenum is another matter, and not
so critical to denitrification as sand depth and grain size (sugar fine
works best for dentrification> Is that enough? Sounds like you
recommend about 5", but does that 5" include the 1" of plenum area?
<common legend says (and I agree, having used almost tens of thousands
of lbs of aragonite sand in my coral greenhouse with and without plenums
<no preference> for years>... that denitrification begins to be
compromised when the sand bed wanes under 3". Furthermore, aragonite
(fortunately!) has a short half life of less than two years. And so, a
tank with 6" of sand only has up to two years before the DSB begins to
fail. This is partly why so many people criticize DSB technology and
fail early with it... getting misadvised and using too thin of a
substrate> I'm just used to people talking about deep sand beds when
they aren't using a plenum system. The plenum is 1" thick(1/2" pvc with
the 1/2" eggcrate material on top) I put a siphon network in it in case
I need to remove water from in the plenum nutrient build-up) <please
don't place too much emphasis on the plenum... it's a fine idea, and
your design will work if you have screen on top of the eggcrate to
prevent the sand from falling through... but nutrient control issues
with DSB, again, have more to do with depth (want thicker) and grain
size (want finer. never mix grains...old school). Basically, my advice
to you would be to add some more sand in the near future, but don't
worry too much about how much or how often. If the sand is dissolving
and feeding your system properly, you'll have to add sand in the future
anyhow. So, at your pace...simply add sand to always be above 3". I
mention 5" to most folks because it is deep enough to buy a reasonable
amount of time, but not so deep to be detractive visually. In larger
systems, deeper is actually better. but in home tanks the point is
somewhat moot> Thanks. You guys deserve some kind of civil servant
award for all the time you spend answering these questions :) <thank
you very kindly for recognizing, my friend <smile>. Best of luck to you.
Anthony> How long before plenum becomes effective? Bob,
<Anthony Calfo, in your service> I looked for an answer, but didn't
find one on the site. In your experience, how long does the typical
plenum take before it becomes effective? I have a 38 gallon tank,
with a newly installed 10 gallon sump that has a plenum and a small
growing crop of Caulerpa. The sand used for the plenum was fresh special
grade aragonite. Nitrates hover between 10 and 15ppm, and phosphates
between 0.1 and 0.2ppm. <it is specifically the deep sand bed that
becomes "active", and if your sand is deeper than 3" (closer to 5"+)
then you can actually see a reduction in nitrates in as little as two
weeks (Sprung...and I agree). If your sand is less than three
inches...don't even bother to hold your breath <wink>... not going to
happen. Need DSB as I suspect you have. Kind regards, Anthony> Thanks
for your help in the past. Dan Sand sifting animals and
plenum 5/6/05 First, like so many people have said before your
site is awesome. I really enjoy reading all the advice and gathering
information from other people’s questions. I have a couple of questions.
My main question has to do with “sand sifting”. I have a 75 gallon tank
with a wet/dry, large Excalibur protein skimmer, roughly 45 lbs live
rock, 4 inch sand bed (plenum – however, I forgot to add the mesh
between layers), Coralife Power Compact Dual Strip Light with 10,000K
and Actinic. <The heart of a plenum is the void space under the
sand. The screen between the layers functions primarily to protect the
plenum. Wet/dries are generally unnecessary with live rock, and often
lead to nitrate accumulation. If your nitrates are high, you can remove
25% of the bioballs per week until they are gone and your nitrates
should come down.> System has been set up for almost a year. I had a
parasite outbreak that wiped out my tank and it has been sitting with my
only survivor, a yellow watchman goby, for 2 months to clear. I also
have 2 cleaner shrimp, 10 blue leg crabs, 1 scarlet crab, and 5
Nassarius snails. I am looking for something to keep the sand looking
nice – right now have some algae going in areas. I have had in the past
orange diamond gobies, which I loved, and they did such a good job but
could not keep them from going AWOL. I’m also worried about
compatibility with the watchman. <Sorry to hear about your parasite
troubles. Diamond/sleeper gobies are very difficult to keep alive for
long periods of time. Their sifting activity is a search for sand
dwelling critters to eat. Even large tanks with very "lively" sand beds
rarely have enough of these critters to support these fish. Since many
will not accept prepared foods, starvation is common. Also, most of the
substrates used in aquaria are very hard on the mouths and gills of
these fish.> I was thinking about a sand-sifting star, but was
worried about the plenum. Plus, I have seen mixed advice from you on
these. Or should I just up my numbers on the crabs and snails? What
would be the proper count with my set up? <Snails and crabs aren't
really effective sand cleaners and sand sifting stars are predators on
the same critters that diamond gobies are. Sand sifting sea cucumbers
are great choices, but require fairly fine sand (1mm and smaller).
Increased water movement often helps a lot in preventing algae from
growing on sand.> I am trying to keep a peaceful community tank. I
know that I would like to have 2 clowns, a tang (either yellow or Kole),
and thinking about a dwarf angel (either flame or coral beauty). What
are your thoughts of this combination and could you recommend maybe 1 or
2 others that might fit in nice. Thank you in advance for the
assistance. <This sounds like a nice selection of fish. Other good
options include many gobies and blennies, royal grammas and peaceful
wrasses. Best regards! AdamC.> |
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