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FAQs about Ultraviolet Sterilizers 2
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Ozone Output From UV Sterilizer 10/09/05
The most common opening line! You have a wonderful, wonderful site! And I mean
it!
<<Thanks.>>
Anyways, I have purchased an AZoo 13W PL light UV Sterilizer for my 120G tank. I know these things are not 100% effective but can be helpful. Anyway, this sterilizer has an option wherein I can let air into it, something like the power head operated skimmers have. The box claims that after the air passes the PL lighting I will get
O3 at the output. My questions are: How will O3 help in my FOWLR tank? Secondly should I connect the air intake or not?
<<Please read up on the ozone so you can determine whether you need/want to run ozone and if so, whether a UV sterilizer is the best way for you to do so.>>
If yes I don't have anything to regulate it other than the normal valve we use for air pumps?
<<Ozone should not be added without some way to monitor it's affects and regulate. Ozone can harm your livestock and damage some components. Consult the manufacturer for their recommendations. In my opinion, if you determine that you want to run ozone, you are better off running an ozone generator and regulating the ozone with a controller. Again, there is lots of information on this topic on WWM.>>
Thanks in advance. Keep Rocking
<<You're welcome and good luck - Ted>>
UV recommendations 12/27/04
Hi, this is Jonathan. I have recently purchased a UV Sterilizer
for my 125gal tank. I have been getting a lot of opinions about if
UV kills or does not kill all the needed algae and beneficial bacteria. <UV kills
whatever passes by it. The rate of kill depends on the wattage and age of the
lamp, the water flow through the unit, how clean the unit is, the specific
organism in question and more. Some beneficial life will be killed, but since
most of the "good guys" are most abundant on surfaces, the UV will not make a
significant dent in their populations.>
I was just wondering because my tank is still developing, and
I would still like to get some more hair algae and have for when I get a Hippo
Tang. I also was wondering if that it's not so much
the wattage but how fast or slow the water moves through the UV.
<Hippo tangs are among the least herbivorous tangs and will eat very little hair
algae. The kill rate through a UV is dependent on both flow rate and
wattage. At very slow flow rates, even a small unit will have a high kill rate,
but so little water will be processed that the unit will be ineffective. The
other extreme is a high wattage unit with very high water flow.... lots of water
will be processed, but the organisms will pass by so quickly that the kill rate
will be too low to be effective. Hope this helps. AdamC.>
Chillers and UV
Hi, I've read for hours/days/weeks. Learned MUCH! I am
setting up a 300 gallon Reef (96 x 24 x 30). Sump is fed by two 2" drains
from overflows on each end. Sump also feeds a refugium which feeds back into the
sump. Return from sump to tank is Velocity T-4 @ 1250gph @ 4' head. The
tank also is plumbed with a 1" bulkhead for a closed loop system that
returns to the tank via a manifold around the top with multiple outlets. The
question is regarding this closed loop system. I want to run my 1/2 HP chiller
(I live in Florida) and 80W UV filter on this closed loop. Is there any reason
why I can't do this? The UV filter is 2" in diameter and the Chiller is
1.5" in diameter. As long as my pump is rated to take the extra head, then
why not?? <It would be fine but I would add a mechanical filter to the inlet
of the U.V. and then plumb the chiller next. The idea is that you do
not want detritus to pass through the U.V. It makes it less
efficient.> (pump planned for this is Blue Line 70HD @ 1750 gph @ 4 feet,
more like 1500 gph with the extra head caused by the UV and Chiller and the
necessary plumbing). Also note that both the chiller and UV are rated to take
this much flow, so that is not an issue. My concerns are that if I run the
chiller and UV off of the sump then I'll be taking away
from the already "low" return from the sump. Heck, I've
seen the inside of the chiller...its just a 4" diameter PVC pipe with a
cooling coil inside...so I don't think that some circulating detritus could hurt
it... Finally, can the 1" bulkhead support a closed loop flow of 1500 gph?
<1" bulk heads can handle comfortably 700 gph I would recommend
something larger. The detritus will make the chiller and U.V. work
less efficiently. If you add a mechanical filter before U.V. and
chiller then you should be fine.>
Thanks!! Jim
<Good Luck. MikeB.>
Using UV for quarantine
Hi!!
I tried to use a different approach to quarantine for my new fish
additions. I set up a 5 gallons QT with a huge Eheim canister with plenty
of bio-media, carbon, Chemipure and nitrate remover so I can keep the water
quality at its best. << 5 gallons is pretty small. >> It really works perfect,
even with such a heavy bioload
as two very small ocellaris, a Salarias fasciatus, a small blue Chromis and a
2 inches Zebrasoma flavescent. Also I kept about 3 pounds of live rock
with some Actinodiscus. For keeping parasites and bacteria in check, I
installed the biggest UV sterilizer I could find: a 24 inches, 36 watt one
running 250 gallons per hour irradiating 90.000 uw sec/cm2, what is twice
the required for killing the ich swimming larvae. You see, nearly every
minute a volume of water equal to the whole system (11 gallons) pass
through the UV. I expected this overkill method would be enough to
exterminate this nasty disease without the need of chemicals but... NO!
Doesn't work. Even adding a pump so all the water goes to UV every 30 second
still the ich has time to find a host INSIDE the aquarium. I had to go back
to the copper, something that I don't like at all because the brand that I
use (Sea Cure) make my fish to look miserable and I always have to take
some losses no matter how carefully I monitor the concentration. I don't
know if there is any flaw in my idea, but I wanted to share my experience
with it. << Thanks for sharing, I'm sure it will help others. >>
Thanks you all for your wonderful and generous work.
<< Thinking the UV may still be a good idea, it just may need other treatments
to go along with it. >>
Cheers!
<< Blundell >>
UV Sterilizer (10/31/04)
I am told I should get a Coralife Turbo-Twist? What is it and why should I
need it? <I'm going to assume we're talking about saltwater aquariums here, not
FW or a pond. It is a brand of UV sterilizer. I am very satisfied with mine.
Others of the crew do not believe in UV sterilization, and it is not without
cons as well as pros. The concept is that it kills microorganisms in the water
(both bad ones and good ones, of course). It may aid in prevention of bacterial
and fungal infections and parasitic infestations (e.g.) ich, as well as the
spread of algae spores. I'd suggest you read the FAQs regarding UV. There is
also an excellent little piece about it in the article on marine parasites by
Scott W. Michael in last year's Aquarium USA annual (The 2004 one, which may
still be available somewhere, though the 2005 has been out for a couple of
months.) Then you can decide if you really "need" (want) one.> Robert M. Levy
<Hope this helps, Steve Allen.>
UV electrical issue
Hello Bob,
<Rick>
Your website has been a great help over the years. However, I was
unable to find anything regarding my current problem. I am sure that
you can help... so here it goes.
Got a Coralife 9W U.V sterilizer that the bulb burned out after only four
months of use. No problem I thought. So I replaced the bulb and now
this new bulb only lasted two weeks. I checked the UV casing to make
sure that no water was somehow or another getting inside. It checked
out okay. So I am faced with either electrical problems or possibly a
bad ballast?
<Yes. Next most likely cause... then a short, break in the wiring somewhere...>
Have you heard of this issue before?
<Yes, happens... particularly certain brands... Rainbow-Lifegard (now Pentair)
had some real doozies back when... and most of the small UV's have much more
trouble than larger wattages>
I wanted to check with your advice
before I dive into pulling apart the ballast and electrical assembly.
<Mmm, I would NOT do this. Send the whole unit back to... likely ESU... check
with your dealer/source first to see if they'll handle the return... most States
have a pretty much carte-blanche warranty of one year... I would NOT fool with
the unit myself. If you have troubles locating Energy Savers, or receiving
authorization for return/repair/replacement, please make this known to me. Bob
Fenner>
Not much of a handy man but it appears to not be so difficult! Any
advice would be more than helpful.
Thanks,
Rick
Re: UV bulb electrical issue
Hello Bob,
<Rick>
I took your advice and tried to contact my dealer (from eBay) about the
UV electrical issue. To my misfortune, this seller store is no longer
available. So I went to my LFS (dealer) to see if they would honor any
"manufacturer warranty" only to find out that without THEIR store
receipt I was basically up a creek with my paddle.
Can you direct me to an ESU that you earlier advised as an avenue for
repair?
<Yes. Go to the source:
http://www.esuweb.com/products/16Coralife_U.V._Sterilizers_Turbo-Twist_3x,_6x,_and_12x_TURBO-TWIST_3X_-_9_WATT_U.V._STERILIZER_-_UP_TO_125_GALLONS.htm
see the contact info.? Call them. Bob Fenner>
Paddleless,
Rick
Re: UV bulb electrical issue
Hello Bob,
<Rick>
As you requested, here's an update to my UV ballast burn-out and if
problem was resolved by ESU manufacturer.
<Good>
I contacted ESU and advised them of my problem. It took a couple of
calls before anyone responded back. Then I was promised that a new
ballast for the Coralife 9 watt would be shipped out to me immediately.
Well its been 6 weeks and nothing has been resolved. No new ballast
ever received! Bummer!
<Argghhh>
In my wait for a replacement, I came across the ECO-Aqualizer. I really
liked the ideal of nothing to break-down nor need replacing and its
money back guarantee. So I decided to try one out. I'm so glad I did.
This thing is great. Within a day, my water had a super polish look and
my fish are much more active. Its only been up and running for about a
month, but so far the algae on my glass has needed less wiping and my
water is still incredibly crystal clear. And I can't get over the added
liveliness of my fish. They look 100% better than ever, especially my
powder-blue tang.
<Wow!>
I have decided to not worry about the UV sterilizer. From the looks of
things, I won't ever need it anymore. But I do appreciate your help in
trying to resolve that problem. In a strange way, I'm kind of glad it all
happened the way it did, otherwise I may not have ever even tried the
ECO-Aqualizer.
Thanks much,
Rick Johnston
<Thank you for your input. Bob Fenner>
Goldfish.
Hi, <Hey Travel, MacL here with you tonight.>
I have two questions...
I saw on a website (http://www.aquadirect.com/catalog/uv/customsealife.htm)
a U2 Double Pass UV sterilizer. I thought CSL (CustomSeaLife) went bankrupt
earlier this year? Are they back in business and operating under a new name? <I
believe that while they have gone out of business they is still stock being sold
under there name that was made previously. Least that my best guess.>
I see the name "Clear Solutions" now is on the pictures? This sterilizer looks
very similar, however different. <Never heard of it but lots do come and go>
Second question. I have a 65 gallon tank with 7 goldfish. They did fine the
past 2 years... 2 weeks ago they suddenly started to go crazy (move like rockets
in the tank, bump in the glass, in each other, etc.) when I turn on the
lamp/light. <Anyway there is a short in your tank from the lamp> They do fine
when the light is not on, they swim around happily, however once I turn on the
light all hell breaks loose? any idea why? What can I do to stop them? <Almost
sounds like they are being blinded or shocked in some way.> It appears 1 or 2 of
the fish start each time and the others just follow? Thanks for your assistance.
Kind Regards,
Travel
CSL demise issues?
Bob:
<Steve>
I thought you might find this incident interesting, if not a bit scary. You
may recall that we speculated while I was in HI (still enjoying the
memories, BTW) about the causes of the demise of Custom SeaLife. You
mentioned some fire liability issues. Over the months, others have mentioned
rumors of lawsuits.
<Yes>
I had a CSL Double Helix UV that I bought a couple of months before their
demise. One day a few months back, I noticed that the light was not on
(there's a viewing port). I disconnected the unit, unplugged it and tucked
it away in a corner. Recently, I decided to get a new bulb. Well, when I
opened the unit, I was shocked to see that water had leaked out of the tube
onto the circuitry. There was corrosion and actual thermal burns! Thank God
it didn't burn my house down. The thing I can't figure out is why it did not
trip my GFCI. Perhaps all owners of this unit should inspect theirs
carefully for evidence of internal leakage.
<Yeeikes! There is an issue of a secondary "loop" circuit in many wiring
arrangements of fluorescent lighting... that can bypass the GFCI
circuitry/shutoff>
I hope you are well. I regret being unable to afford ($ and time -- busy
month including business trip to Madison) to come to MACNA, but look forward
to an opportunity to get together again.
Steve Allen
<Indeed. Steve, do try to come out, enjoy Hawaii with your family. I don't have
to be there! Bob F>
- Flow Rates -
Hi,
I need some advice please. I have a 700 liter tank and 100l sump with a wet/dry
trickle filter. The total head is about 1600mm. I have a pump with a 2500l flow
rate. The curve on the pump shows that at head of 1600mm the flow is about
1500l. Is this sufficient? <It could be better.> What is the recommended flow
rate? <Ideally, your total flow rate in a marine system should be at least 10
times the system volume. This can be accomplished with the return pump as well
as circulation pumps [powerheads] inside the tank.> I also have an 8W UV
sterilizer that I want to connect in the line to the sump. What is the
recommended flow rate for that size U.V? <Well... for this UV unit, you'd want
to give it its own dedicated pump, and not plumb it inline with your return. For
the flow rate, it depends on what you're trying to kill. To kill the typical
protozoan parasite, you're probably looking at about 180 LPH.>
Thanks
<Cheers, J -- >
UV Sterilizers 7/28/04
Hi--<Hey Janet, MacL here with you tonight>I read your article on UV
Sterilizers and still have a few more questions. We have a 175 gal tank with
350lbs of live rock and the following: two false clown perculas, 1 coral beauty,
1 marine Betta, 1 strawberry Pseudochromis, 1 royal Gramma, 1 mandarin
dragonet, 1 yellow tang, 1 Bannerfish, 1 harlequin Sweetlips, and 2 female
blue devil damsels. I also have a cleaner shrimp and various crabs for clean up.
I want to add a hippo tang, since my kids are so keen on having "Dory"
from the Nemo movie. I know they are prone to ick, and the other day at a fish
dealer I ran into a man who runs a business maintaining saltwater aquariums. He
strongly recommends a 5 - 7Watt UV Sterilizer, especially if I'm going to get a
Hippo Tang.<Actually in my experience I would add more cleaner shrimps and
that should take care of the problem with ich.> Will this kill off
the pods in the tank and do you think it's a good idea? <What a UV kills
depends on the speed of the water going through the UV filter. Whether it be
algae or bacteria, etc.> If so, how often should it be running? Speaking of
ick, I see one white speck on the strawberry. I can't tell if it's ick or not,
because there are small white particles swirling around the tank, at least some
of which look like pods. It's hard to tell because the power heads keep the
water moving. Should I attempt to catch the strawberry and toss him in the QT?
<If you only see one dot then just keep a close eye on him. The cleaner
shrimp should take care of it. Cleaners are marvelous creatures.> I
hate to stress the whole tank if it's just a speck, and not ick. I've had a
false alarm before. Would a UV sterilizer kill and ick in the tank?
<Depending on the speed of water going through it, it will kill ich.>
Thanks, as always! R/Janet
- Trigger Ich -
Thanks again for your previous response. I check my water quality on a
regular basis and it always measures out fine. However my fish keep getting ich.
I was told that dropping the salinity down to 1.014 the fish would still live
but ich cannot. <This combined with other treatments can help.> I have tried it
for about a week now and they are still scratching. I only have two medium sized
triggerfish in a large tank. Do you have any suggestions? <Might consider
catching them and putting them through a pH and temperature adjusted freshwater
dip... and perhaps even leaving them in quarantine for a while and running the
tank fallow for six weeks or so.> The tank has been set up for about 2 months
now. <That's actually not very long... could be you are having water quality
issues which cannot be measured... would step up the water changes and get some
other options up and working... for instance quarantine tanks.> What are your
thoughts on a U/V sterilizer? <These provide some amount of good, but are not
instantaneous cures and typically need low flow rates to actually kill
protozoans - slow enough that the sterilizer will take weeks to see all the
water in the tank. So yes, it will do you no harm, but no, it probably won't
help in the immediate term. Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/parasiti.htm
Cheers, J -- >
TMC UV flow rate
hey
<Isn't that for horses?>
I read on the site that you guys highly recommend TMC U.V sterilizers. I just
ordered a 110w commercial TMC model for my 220g fish only and am wondering what
flow rate I should use it at? their website was a little vague for me to
understand. anyway I have a main system pump for my skimmer and sump that
pushes about 800-900gph and I thought about just hooking it inline with that
before returning back to my tank.
thanks
Brandon
here it is: tmc-ltd.co.uk/filtration/uv_filt/TMCster_details.asp
<Mmm, there are practical limitations... physical in terms of how much water one
can push through such devices, and practical ones in the way of consideration of
"kill rates" per pass... but somewhere around a hundred to two hundred gallons
of actual flow per hour is about what you want here. Diverting the flow for
other purposes is counter-productive (and intuitive). Bob Fenner>
TMC UV flow rate follow-up
thanks for the reply but I hope you're mistaken. a 110w TMC U.V sterilizer
and only 100-200gph. I hope not. here's another site that sells them:
http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/iid/8998/cid/2204
http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/filtration/uv_filt/TMC_sterilisers.asp
tell me what you think. please. and thanks.
<Mmm, I HAVE told/written what I think... let's see if it can re-stated in a
different manner to relate the information. Yes, you can push water through this
unit at the specified maximum flow rate of "Up to 17 GPM"... but you will not
gain much in your setting... in terms of "free floating" microbe, algae
population decrease, enhanced DO, Redox... all that you might gain by using such
a unit... AND instead, being able to divert some of the flow that otherwise
might be directed/diverted through the UV, running this about your system for
added aeration, circulation is a better use. Think of this possibility (using a
UV, having so much pumping capacity) as one of a few possibilities... not just
how much water can be run through the unit. Bob Fenner>
UV and a refugium
Hello WWM. I love your site! my question is simple (or at least short) I
bought a U.V sterilizer and I'm using a refugium. Should I use the U.V or not. My
tank is cycling. My refugium is full of life tons of Caulerpa and millions of
copepods. The U.V defeats the refugium right? Thanks for all the info ..Bill
<Actually, the UV and refugium are not mutually exclusive and ultraviolet use
should have no discernible negative impact on the refugium. Bob Fenner>
Re: UV and a refugium
Thank You!
For the response . That is very cool of you and I feel privileged to
receive such valuable information from such experts. let me ask one more.
First of all the stats: I have a 90 gallon. drilled tank with a 30 gal (I
think, its big) refugium in the basement. I pump it back with a velocity t4
with about 8' head room into a SCWD which splits the flow back and forth
from the rear corners at 45s. EV 150 skimmer. a 1/5hp chiller and the 25
watt U.V unit and two Hagen 4000 powerheads (should be enough flow) Lighting
2 175 MH and 2 110w actinics. ( I'm shooting for the SPS / LPS tank) I looped
the skimmer and the chiller and the U.V together. and 90 lbs of Walt smith's
Pukani rock (thanks for the advice. it's the nicest rock I have ever seen)
soooo my question is on the U.V ,should I leave it all the time or put a
timer on it? Does it help the tank cycle?
<I would leave the UV on continuously AFTER the tank has cycled>
I'm afraid of it's what it maybe
killing good and bad. What do you think? Thank you Bob. I just ordered your
book. ( I cant wait) Your Friend Bill
<Know you will enjoy, gain by its reading. Bob Fenner>
CSL Sterilizer and marine stocking
Hi. I sent this message earlier but didn't get a reply or see it
in the
daily FAQs. I suspect it didn't make it to you. Sorry if you end up
with
two very similar sounding emails!
Hello WWM crew,
I have a CSL 18W Double Helix UV that has gone bad. I have been happy
with
its performance and would like to repair it. Problem is, since the
company
has gone under, I have no source for parts or info. Apparently some
water
got into the ballast assembly and corroded the leads off. An easy
enough
repair job. However, there is a small component which looks like a
type of
bi-metallic over temp protector (but unlike any I have ever seen) built into
a small bulb. I have done several searches using everything I can
think of
and have come up with nothing. There is no part number or *any*
marking of
any kind on the device. Do you know of someone I could contact,
possibly an
ex-employee of CSL or someone who has ran into the same problem for
information on this part?
<Mmm, is still here... being re/circulated amongst folks in hopes that
someone will have a more definitive answer. I would contact Perry Tishgart of
Champion Lighting re... as he has boldly stated his company's former CSL
inventory and intent to service their customers.>
Also, I have recently set up a 72 gal Oceanic bow front that is the home of
a porcupine puffer and a red Volitans. I later learned from FAQs on
your
site (AWESOME!) that this tank is too small for the puffer and possibly even
for the lion. I am curious as to why since although both will get
quite
large, neither do a lot of swimming. They are both lazy and are
either
hanging out in their caves, begging for food, or fluttering aimlessly
around. Is it a question of filtration or merely confinement?
<A bit of both... physiologically and psychological>
It seems
like the bowfront would give a more open feeling and allow them to
turn
around comfortably, etc. If it is impossible to keep them, at what
point
(in inches) should I start thinking about relocation?
Thanks for the great site and information.
Kirk
<At a year to three likely... but by then I strongly suspect you'll have
"graduated" to more reef type interests! Bob Fenner>
Re: salinity
Dear Bob,
<James>
Thank you for your very quick reply, you are definitely not running on African time. I will keep my salinity at 1.025 as per your advice. I have
also ordered your 1st book to keep me right.
<Know you will enjoy, gain by its perusal>
I have a quick question on U.V filters. Do I run it from a powerhead with a slow flow rate or through my
Fluval filter which is much faster?
<There are "ideal flow rates", that is, calculated gph for achieving maximal kill ratios in a given volume... but practically speaking about the most flow you can get through a given unit, the plumbing
achieves the most. I would use the canister filter discharge. Bob Fenner>
Kind Regards, James Barlcay
UV sterilizers
Hi,
<Hey there>
Need some advice (thanks in advanced). Btw, if you can remember me, I'm
the one that seeking your advice about the "free" Snow Flake Eel that
come with the live rock. Well, FYI, I manage to trap it and now its at a
diff. tank (living happily - I guess).
<Ah, good>
a) Can I turn on my UV sterilizers for long-term. My tank is with Coral &
fishes? (My friend told me that the coral might not "open" anymore
because the water quality change --- friendly microbes also get killed)
<Should be left on continuously. No worries re killing off too much of the
beneficial water-borne microbes>
b) If can not turn on for long period, what is the recommendation?
<Leave it on>
c) I'm suffering for white spot 2 months ago. Most of my fishes died. left
only a cleaner shrimp, 4 small fishes. I try to perform a "fallow" but
couldn't catch the fishes, however after 6 weeks when I see no sign of
white spot I then introduce 1 African Crown, 4 Common Crown, and 2 weeks
later all dies due to white spot. Must I remove all fishes?
<Yes my friend>
d) If I manage to catch all the fishes, Can I leave the cleaner shrimp
inside while performing the "fallow"?
<Yes>
e) Due to the white spot, I purchase a 9W UV Sterilizer. Will this be the
BEST solution (against white spot) for me to always turn it on? and
perhaps couple with a "quarantine tank system" for new fishes? Or the
UV
system is already enough?
<Quarantine... and possibly dip ALL new fishes. The UV alone will NOT prevent
or cure Crypt infestations. Bob Fenner>
thanks. rgds,
ws teoh
Re: UV sterilizers
Hi Bob,
Thanks for the response.
btw, as for now I just manage to "trap" 1 of the 4
fishes. hope to trap
the other 3.
thanks.
rgds,
ws teoh
<Good luck my friend. You may have to drain the tank down to give you the
advantage. Bob Fenner>
UV sterilizer
Will a U/V sterilizer help destroy red slime algae since it is a
bacteria?<It may help a little but the best thing you could do is get a good
quality protein skimmer and keep up on the water changes using RO water. If
you don't already have a UV I would not purchase one for your uses. Cody>
Thanks!
75 Gallon Stocking II
Hey again,<Howdy!>
I forgot to mention about the tang the ich thing won't be a prob. I've
got a
UV. <UVs are no guarantee against ick, it only is effective when
the ick is actually in the water column, which is not for very long. I
would set up a quarantine tank now as they are one of the most important
components to being successful.>Is this still a no go due to size?<Yes,
they are also very touchy fish. You can read up about all this some
more at our website: www.wetwebmedia.com. Cody>
Akira
UV Questions
<Hello! Ryan Bowen with you today>
As always, the information on your site is very informative, however I was not
able to find an
answer to my question this time! <No problem> I know bigger is better, and
I have two marine tanks side by side
and the water runs between the two tanks (a 110gal and a 55 gal). <Cool> I
have two water pumps, that
circulate the water back and forth. (Stocking is mild I would think... (Please
give your opinion)
110 gal holds; 1 large maroon clown and a med. Atlantic anemone, a med/large
finger coral, one
electric blue and yellow damsel, one Chromis, 2 cleaner shrimp, one boxing
shrimp, 6 turbo
snails, 1 brittle star fish, a good size angel (not sure what type, but she eats
well and is
healthy) and a yellow tang. <Everything sounds good, although the angel could
certainly need bigger quarters, depending on type.> There is about
1 inch of sand on the bottom and about 50-60lbs of L/R
with an under gravel filter that runs, not a plenum (sp?), two power heads to
run the U/G, a
Fluval 304, the custom built-in filter (made for the tank), a SeaClone 150, and
a double helix UV
filter rated for 150gal. <OK> The 55gal houses a mated pair of
Percula clowns, 3 Anthias, 2 3-stripe
humbug damsels, 5 hermit crabs, and 5 clear shrimp (they are feeder shrimp who
never got eaten!
They are now too big to eat but do a good job cleaning, so I left them in.)
There is also a Fluval
304 on this tank, a Berlin air-lift 60, an off brand UV filter rated for 100 gal
tanks, 2 power
heads and an U/G filter. 2in. of sand and about 30lbs L/R. Water parameters are
PH-8.2 ammonia-0
nitrites-0 nitrate-0? (test is hard to read the difference between 5 and 0 at
least under
5ppmcalcium is 405.) ***My question is this... I have a 25gal bare bottom tank
with an Aquapro-1
filter (-British brand? rated for tanks up to 50 gal)<Never heard of it>
that I use for my QT tank. When there is no
fish living in it, it is connected with the main tanks to help with circulation
(so the good
bacteria don't die in the filter).<Nice setup> When there is a fish
inside, I take off the connecting water
pumps. I was wondering if I could keep the quarantine tank in connection with
the other tanks if I
placed a UV filter between the QT and the 55 gal. when there *IS* a fish in the
QT, and only
disconnect them should the need arise for medication? Thank you for your time
and sorry it took a
lot to get the question out! Amanda
<Amanda, it seems pretty risky. The entire idea of a quarantine
system is to prevent any possibility that contaminants can proliferate in the
display. If copper medication would ever need to be used, you would
not be able to reconnect the QT tank for fear of copper poisoning your
invertebrates with leaching. Good luck! Ryan>
- UV Sterilizer Questions -
Hey folks,
Hope all is well in WetWebMediaLand. <As far as I know.>
I need some clarification (har!) on UV Sterilizers. <Ahh... good one.>
There seems to be a lot of difference of opinion regarding their use.
I've poured over all the information on UV sterilizers on all the various
reef-centric boards with regards to their effectiveness on Cryptocaryon irritans
(Ich) control in the free-swimming stage. One thing I never saw addressed was
"sizing big" when purchasing a UV sterilizer. It seems that a 50 gal
aquarium calls for an 8 or 9 watt UV sterilizer. Many people claim you will have
better parasite control with UV if you restrict the flow to 50GPH through the
unit. While this seems to make sense, I'm wondering if "upsizing" your
UV sterilizer would have a similar effect rather than restricting water flow.
The difference in cost between a 9 watt and 15 watt is minimal, and the cost to
move up to a 25w seems reasonable. <It might 'seem' reasonable, but you
should know that a 25 watt UV still needs a flow rate of about 150 GPH to kill
protozoans. There is no exponential relationship between the size of the UV and
the required flow rate.>
I currently run a closed-loop system with a SCWD and Mag unit that's rated at
700GPH. The loop is simple in my 37 gallon Oceanic "Cube". It's
basically a Lee siphon tube running to the Mag, then from the Mag to the SCWD,
then the SCWD to the outlets. I assume that the flow gets restricted
significantly right at the SCWD, particularly when switching. <Actually,
no... this item is well engineered and causes no back pressure when
switching.> I'm considering picking up a 15w AquaUV unit to place between the
Mag and SCWD. Is this the optimal spot? <No. The ideal way is to plumb the
sterilizer separately with a dedicated pump in the sump and a return line to the
tank.>
If restricting the flow through the UV unit makes for a tangible benefit, should
I isolate the UV unit with a couple of T barbs and restrict its flow with a ball
valve? <This would also work.>
Thanks so much for your help.
Karl
<Cheers, J -- >
- Ultra-Violet Filter Flow Rate -
I have a 270 gallon tank with a 40watt Pentair u/v. Could you
please tell me what the best flow rate for this u/v should be, and how often the
bulb should be changed. <Hmm... proper flow rate will depend on what you want
to kill with the UV. Would guess that a flow rate around 300 GPH will be
sufficient to kill ich - would check with the manufacturer to make certain. As
for bulb changes, once a year should be sufficient.>
Thank you.
Ned
<Cheers, J -- >
UV for a Reef (12-15-03)
Also, Is a UV beneficial or harmful to a reef environment? I have 57 Watt,
and I'm thinking reef?<It's a matter of opinion here, some people run a U.V
some don't. I run a U.V on my reef and have seen no ill effects. It
seems to help with water clarity and algae outbreaks. I say research
and decide for yourself as each person views this in different ways.>
Thanks for all your help!<My pleasure! Cody>
- UV Sterilizer and Other Questions -
Hello WWM,
First I would like to thank you so much for all of your hard work on the
website. It is first class.
I have two questions: <Ok.>
I have a 230 gallon FOWLR Marine tank that's water parameters seem to be
perfect. NO ammonia, Nitrite in the last 9 months or so and my PH and
DKH are always right on. My frustration lies with my
nitrates. They have been creeping up lately and now are at
20ppm. I just did a 55 gallon water change this weekend and it did
not seem to help. How often should I be changing my water and how
much? <I like 10% every two weeks, but 5% every week is probably overall the
best for any tank if you can stand that much maintenance.> And how would you
recommend that I fix this nitrate problem quick? <Depends on your system...
do you by any chance have a wet/dry filter?> Also what is an effective level
for calcium? <In my opinion between 350 to 400 although many prefer 450ppm.
Depends really on maintaining those levels.> I am trying to grow more purple
algae.
Secondly I have a double helix UV sterilizer (36 watt), in my
sump. Is that enough wattage and should I purchase another? <I
don't think UV is worth the time or money on main systems - great for
quarantine, but hard to tune for larger systems. The big variable is a low
enough flow rate adequate to kill protozoans.> I also am curious if there is
a place that I can put it to make sure it is most effective? <Again, careful
quarantine procedures can make UV sterilization a waste of time, and likewise
there is some anecdotal evidence of an acquired immune problems in systems that
have run UV for extended [years] periods of time.>
Your help would be greatly appreciated,
Matt
<Cheers, J -- >
Would You Use a U.V. for This?
>To the Wizards of WWM,
I love your website! So I thought I'd ask another question.
I have a 75 gal tank that has been running for some years now. I've recently
upgraded the lighting to a MH/PC combo. I am now having a terrible
problem with algae bloom, on the rocks, substrate and glass. I never
had this problem before with my previous lighting setup, (SO
Fluorescents). Yes, I also have a working skimmer. I
realize that it is probably too many nutrients in the water; even though the
algae returns only 2 days after a major water change. I got the idea
to use a DSB with some LR in my sump to help cut down on the
nutrients.
>>It's a pretty good idea. Make it a full-blown refugium and
you'll be even better off (for the use of macroalgae through which harvest would
garner direct nutrient export).
>However, the guy from my LFS, suggested a UV Sterilizer instead.
>>Because a U.V. would do what, exactly?
>HUH????
>>YEAH!
>Should I use the sterilizer instead of the DSB?
>>Um.. NO. They don't have anything to do with each other, one
sterilizes (this means kills things), the other GROWS things that utilize and
convert certain nutrients.
>Would both be effective?
>>In their own capacity.. well yes, though I'm not at all a fan of U.V. in
home aquaria, ESPECIALLY reef with refugia.
>Please help. I'm just about at the end of my rope with this
problem. MiMi
>>This guy is.. how do I put this..? Talking out of the wrong
orifice. He clearly has NO IDEA what the function of a DSB is, nor
the function of a U.V. sterilizer. If there were a stupid law it
would say that you may smack him upside the head simply for being
so. Let him not muddle your mind with useless
drivel. Marina
Ultraviolet Sterilizers?
I have a 20 gallon long tank. I want to add a UV
sterilizer. Could you recommend a good UV for this type of
tank? Or do I even need one?<To be honest with you...I would not
purchase a UV sterilizer for an aquarium this small. I would make sure that you
have a protein skimmer though. Good luck, IanB>
Shortest question of the week: UV use 10/18/03
How do you feel about the use of U.V sterilizer in 75 gallon tank.
<ahhh... that depends if it is on freshwater, saltwater or a QT tank? Hmmm...
frankly, if you are quarantining all new livestock properly in a QT tank (with
UV if you like) before adding them to the display, the UV will not be needed.
They are also strict in application (require maintenance of an excellent
prefilter and the use of carbon and/or ozone weekly or better for water
clarity). Anthony>
To UV Or Not?
Hi Scott, how are you doing, hope you're doing great.
<I'm doing great! Hope all is well with you...>
I just purchase these weekend my protein skimmer, I got the REEF CS6-1 Series,
and works like a beauty, but barely fit.
<Hey- at least it fits! A great skimmer that will do a wonderful job!>
Doing a little research, I wanted to ask your personal opinion on Ultra Violent
Sterilizer, are they
necessary, do they help a lot, or are only necessary for reef
tanks???? Thank you for your advice. Att. Juan
<Not necessary, but a nice thing to have. Personally, I think you can get by
without UV, but it's your choice! Do some research on the WWM site regarding UV
use in reef systems, and you'll be able to make an informed decision! Good luck!
Regards, Scott F.>
- Effectiveness of UV Filtration -
Are there any scientific data or real life experiences of effectiveness of
UV lights in killing Cryptocaryon (marine Ich) spores (free swimming)? <Yes.
It's all a factor of bulb wattage and flow rate.>
I'm looking to get CSL Double Helix 36W for my 90 gallon. The flow through the
sterilizer will be 200gph.
Big question: will this dosage be enough to kill free swimming Crypto spores?
<You need to ask Custom Sea Life - they should have data on the effectiveness
of their bulbs vs. flow rate. They should be able to recommend the correct flow
rate to kill protozoans.>
Thank you, Luke
<Cheers, J -- >
- Water Flow, UV, and Plumbing -
Hey! <Hello to you.>
I need to increase the turnover in my tank and increase the efficiency of my UV.
I have a 75g FOWLR, with built in overflow that goes down to a wet dry, in the
wet dry (sump) I have the skimmer. I have a little giant pump rated at 590 gph
w/ a 6' head, that also pushes water through a UV that is rated at 350 max
outflow, the pump is connected to one end of the sump. What I figured is that I
do not have enough turn over in my tank and that the flow is too strong for the
UV to be effective.
So what I want to do is to get another external pump rated at about 400gph
including the 4-6' head to pull water out of the sump and connect this pump to
the UV, my tank has one main hose that Tees off into two bulkheads, one on each
of the corner of the tank, (the main is a 3/4" hose).
1. The only way that I can get this other pump to pull water from the sump is to
have a hose or PVC tube and elbow go over the sump from the outside and down in
the sump to pull water, my sump is about 14" high, then connect this one to
the UV, would this work? <Only if you have a pump that can self-prime... and
I can't think of any in that GPH range. Most pumps won't 'suck' water from any
height and instead rely on being primed by gravity - via the bulkheads on the
side of the sump.> I can't really drill another hole in the sump. Is there
any other way of doing this? <I think you will need to find a way to drill
the sump or put the pump in the sump.>
2. To get the water back in the tank I thought of joining the end tubes (one
hose coming out of the outlet of one pump, and the other one after the UV from
the other pump) into a Tee that will be connected to the main and then this will
Tee into the two hoses that go to the bulk heads. Basically combining the
outflows of two pumps (pushing up) into one main going up to the tank. This is
the easiest option for me. <It's not the best option, however... better to
have each flow into the tank individually.>
The other option (but it's harder to get to) is to have each of the pumps
connected to each of the bulkheads, through their own hose, no Tee. This will
have different flows out of each bulkhead, I don't this is a problem, is it?
<It's not a 'problem' per se, and it's preferable to combining both pumps to
one.>
Would this increase my turnover? <Yes, but you might want to examine your UV
to see if moving water through it at its highest rated flow is in your best
interest. For example, a 25 watt UV might be able to move 400 GPH of water
through it, but if you want to kill protozoans [which is what I'm guessing you
want to do] with the UV you need the water to sit in front of the bulb a little
longer, which [again on a 25 watt bulb] means slowing the flow down to 150
GPH.>
Any other suggestions?
<Cheers, J -- >
Cleaning of U.V quartz sleeve
I am using a 4 x 30 watt Aquanetics quartz sleeved pond U.V on a centralized
store system. I would like to know how often you would recommend
cleaning out the unit and how I might best go about the process. (I
recently enjoyed seeing Mr. Calfo speak in Orlando...he was great!)
<About once a month in the season when water is more than 65 F. is about
right. Turn unit off (unplug), remove compression fittings and VERY carefully
remove and wipe sleeves down with a paper towel (in tough cases with an alcohol
as a solvent)... taking care NOT to touch the sleeves to anything hard (they
will break... easily). Bob Fenner>
thanks,
Dave
Setting up a UV on a goldfish tank (07/26/03)
Hey folks, a quick question or two.
<Ananda here tonight to give a shot at answering them....>
I have six (I know, I know 5 is the magic number) fancy 4" goldies (really
2 Black Moors, 2 Red cap Orandas and 2 brassy Ryukins) in a 55 Gal. with a Eheim
2026 filter and a Coral Life 9 watt UV sterilizer.
<Having read about how messy goldfish get, I'd consider an additional
filter... that Eheim is going to turn your tank water over only about 5 times an
hour. For my messy fish (puffers), I have the tank turnover at 12 times an hour,
and I still have more nitrates than I'd like.>
As a new setup the sterilizer is off. My gravel substrate is cultured
and the water conditions are 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite and a pH 7.8 (a little bit
high) filter is still ramping up.
<How are the nitrates doing?>
The sterilizer is rated for a flow rate of 100 to 200 gph, slower being
better.
<Yup.>
The Eheim is rated at 250 gph but can be throttled back.
<I wouldn't.>
My assumption is that the filter full of media and with a head of 34 inches
plumbed to the UV then into the tank is developing something less than 200 gph. A
guess as to how much less?
<There are head pressure calculators around on the web... I don't have any
canister filters, so I am not sure.>
And should I throttle back to let the UV get the parasites?
<I would get a dedicated powerhead for the UV.>
Thanks, Rick
<You're welcome. --Ananda>
Putting UV To Work
Question about Ich...
Do UV filters help in the control/spread of Ich and other pathogens in the
water? I heard they do, but just want to know before spending $100 on one of
these babies. Thanks much, you guys are great!!
<Well, there are some serious benefits to using UV on a continuous basis in
your system. They do kill many free-swimming pathogens, among other things. It's
possible that they can kill the Cryptocaryon parasite during the free-swimming
phase of its life cycle. The key to success with UV is to get one of the proper
size for your system, and to run the proper flow rate through the unit to
achieve an effective contact time to take advantage of the sterilizer. Good luck
with your system! Regards, Scott F>
Calcium reactor, UV, Ozone
Hi again,
<Hello to you, JasonC here...>
I have a simple one this time. I am constructing a FOWLR. Will this benefit from
having a calcium reactor? <Not especially.> Will the presence of calcium
help me grow a more diverse range of "things" on the live rock or in
the sand (I plan to have a deep sand bed too). <It would pay to keep the
calcium in a decent range, but you could achieve that with additives. Calcium
reactors become more useful when you have organisms that consume large amounts
of calcium.>
Will a UV sterilizer help or hinder a DSB and LR? <Don't think it will affect
it either way, but in general more useful for hospital and quarantine tanks.>
I want to use ozone, how do I know what size of unit to buy? <Buy what you
can afford WITH the controller.> I cant find much on that. I plan to use an
ORP controller so that will take care of things for me but I don't want to buy a
unit that is too big or small. <Most of the small units available to
aquarists are too small to get into big trouble with.>
Thanks,
Adam L
<Cheers, J -- >
UV effects on plankton? 5/20/03
Good morning everyone!!
<cheers>
I have heard that if you have corals in your aquarium, you shouldn't use a UV
sterilizer, because that would eliminate the things that the corals feed
on. Is this a fact???
<a small matter either way. Assuming your tank even produces plankton (few do
adequately to feed corals).. the UV will nuke some plankters... yet the dead are
still consumed by filter-feeders. Ultimately, though... I see little need for a
UV on a display tank... a poor method of disease control (dubious efficacy under
practical applications). Ozone would be much better for this purpose and has
other benefits>
If this is true, then if I were to use a UV sterilizer, and manually feed
phytoplankton a couple times a week, would
the corals be satisfied??
<agreed>
I ask this because I have noticed that UV sterilizers help control unwanted
algae.
<they certainly do... and very well. Yet, the cause of the algae is excess
nutrients. Control the nutrients (aggressive skimming, proper feeding/stocking
and water changes, etc), and the UV is still not needed>
Pat Marren
<kind regards, Anthony>
- Running UV -
Hello,
I'm running a 40W UV. sterilizer (750-800gph) and would like to add another. My
question: Is installing the second one in parallel or series going to be more
efficient?
Regards,
Kevin Pockell
<Well, Kevin, for starters... that flow rate through a single 40 watt UV
isn't going to do you a whole lot of good, mostly because the contact time
between the UV light and the water is too brief. To kill protozoans [Ich and the
like] with a 40 watt UV, you need a flow rate closer to 350-375 GPH. So... would
two in a row be more efficient? I don't think so, you'd do better to put the UV
on it's own circulation loop, fed from the sump and out flowing directly into
the tank - this would give you easier maintenance on the UV and more efficient
use of the unit you have.
Cheers, J -- >
Benefits of UV Sterilizers
I have a 55 gallon. Are UV Sterilizers worth the money?
I found one on Dr. Foster and Smith for $74.99 Will it really cut down on
disease and stress?
One of my LFS told me to be careful of “snake oil salesman” What are
your thoughts?
<In general, since I know nothing about the tank's livestock, yes UV
sterilizers are beneficial. Worth the money? Too subjective for me to answer. If
you keep a low bioload, properly QT new livestock, practice good husbandry, I
would recommend you spend the money elsewhere. Hope this helps, Don>
Thanks TGIF
Christy
Should He UV?
Good afternoon gentlemen,
<A gentleman...Hmm- I'll have to think about that one...Scott F. with you
today!>
I'm TIRED of fish being lost do to not having a QT tank!!!! So I'm buying what's
needed to do things RIGHT( like I should have done the first time) So my
question is to you fine gentlemen: Should I dish out some more beans and buy a
U.V light for some Extra caution? What do you think? THANKS for your time.
<Well, UV is a useful tool in aquarium husbandry; it can kill free swimming
pathogens if the proper flow rate through a correctly-sized unit is achieved.
It's not mandatory in an aquarium, but it is a big help! On the other hand-
there is really no substitute for good technique, such as quarantine. If you
don't have one already, I'd invest in a simple quarantine tank setup (A 10 or 20
gallon tank, sponge filter/outside power filter, heater). It will more than pay
for itself in the fishes that it saves! Then, if you feel that you need it- go
for a UV sterilizer...Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
Any preferences or advices to choose between these sterilizers (9watt
lamp)
Coralife Turbo-Twist 3x <I see from your next email you made your
decision>
Custom Sealife U2
Custom Sealife Double Helix
They all seem to have max aquarium size u to 125 gals and all claim to be the
best :-) <Very common in the world of advertising. I see many
claims as to the best car, but as long as the mileage is decent, and it takes me
reliably where I need to go... I personally don't use a sterilizer, and really
don't see the need for one on my system, so I'm not up on their qualities. I
would advise asking such a question on a forum, you can try ours over at http://wetwebfotos.com/talk/index.jsp
someone there doubtless knows more about sterilizers than I do. >
Thank you,
Luke
<Sorry I couldn't be of more help, have a good evening, PF>
UV light - good for flukes, Ich and velvet (marine tanks)
<Hello again Luke>I have one 35 gallon tank (marine) and I'm planning
on putting Coralife Turbo-Twist 3x UV sterilizer, which they say is good for up
to 125 gallons. <Seems a bit of overkill on your size system>
The flow through the sterilizer will be 150gph.
I'm wondering, if at this dose will the UV light also kill flukes and marine Ich
and Velvet? <Well, I haven't really heard that flukes are a common problem,
such as ich and velvet are. As for them, yes the sterilizer will kill their
larvae. But, that might not prevent an outbreak, or an ongoing infection. Such
diseases have more do with a lack of proper quarantining and stressed animals
due to poor conditions/overcrowding than anything else.>
Thank you.
<Your welcome, have a good evening Luke, PF>
UV connection
I bought a Tetratec™ UV5 5 Watt Clarifier for the tank, I wanted to hook
it
up to the Fluval 404. Man did I have a hard time! The water kept leaking! I
finally had to cut a piece of hose from the line I use to siphon the water
out of the tank and two hose clamps and it's working. Just thought I'd share
that with you in case anyone else has the same problems. So far so good, the
three damsels that are left seem to be doing fine and I've noticed an
improvement in the quality of the water already!
<Plumbing can be a frustrating experience, eh? Thanks for the update and
good to hear things are improving. Don>
Weird UV Question
>Well, perhaps it is not so weird. Hopefully it will help many.
I have a Coralife Turbo-Twist 3X (9W) UV Sterilizer. It uses
a Philips PL-S 9W UV-C bulb (also has TUV on the box).
Aquarium suppliers charge between $25 and $35 for replacement
bulbs.
I did a Google search on Philips pl-s 9W and found a supplier
that sells them for $3.50 apiece!!!!!
>>Egads!
>But then I did more research. Turns out Philips makes 5 versions,
the only difference being the Kelvin rating (27K, 35K, 41K and
50K). Nowhere on the bulb box, on the bulb, or in the Turbo-Twist
documentation is there any mention of Kelvin rating.
>>Not uncommon on bulbs not designed for such specific applications.
>So the question -- does anyone know which version this unit uses, and does
it matter (I presume it matters a lot but my physics is in
my distant past!)
>>BOY! I sure don't, and I've never used a U.V. sterilizer,
either. I would contact the manufacturer to get specific
information. By doing that, you will satisfy one of two questions:
1)determining pertinent wavelength & manufacturer information or
2)determining why these bulbs may not be offered for sale or are otherwise
unsuitable for this use.
>Thanks! If these bulbs are usable I'll be happy to send the link
to the supplier! Joel
>>Please do let us know anything you find out. More knowledge
is definitely BETTER. Good luck! Marina
Re: Weird UV Question
>Well, two things happened between my note and your reply. First,
I contacted a bunch of folks as you suggested. Second, I remembered
my college physics (I started out in astrophysics before becoming an expert in
Russian Politics). The first proved useless for the most
part. Even the manufacturer had no answer.
>>Hrm.
>But then my physics reminded me that these bulbs are emitting in the
ultraviolet, not visible range. So they will not have a Kelvin
rating. The bulbs mentioned in the post and that list for just a few
dollars are in opaque (mostly) white tubes that filter out much of the UV
light. In a weird twist of capitalism, that SHOULD cost MORE, but
they sell for a pittance.
>>AHA! That makes sense...and I'll just admit right here that
I've had no such physics education. I can tell you that the tubes
used for U.V. bulbs are made of quartz, though. IIRC!
>The bulbs in UV sterilizers, however, are in clear tubes and emit at
wavelengths that make them germicidal, sterilization devices. They
are primarily used in the medical profession and in other select applications,
such as ours. This is what makes them cost more. Other
than the outer tubing, there is little that distinguishes the $35 from the
$3.50.
>>Again, IIRC, U.V. wavelengths will be on the order of something like
400nm-320nm.
>Fortunately, I did find a supplier that sells them for $15. It
is: http://www.worldwidespecialtylamp.com/phil3.asp
>>Great!
>Thanks, Joel
>>Thank YOU, Joel. Lots of folks will be happy to spend so much
less on these bulbs. Marina
UV vs. Skimmer
Dear Crew:
What an awesome group of people and a terrific website!!!!!!!! The only downfall
is you can find yourself at the computer screen for hours on
end!! Great reading. Keep up the good work.
Hoping you might answer whether I need any additional equipment. Current setup
is a 150 gallon Marine Tank, 1 year old. Fish Only. 1 Large Clown
Trigger, 1 Picasso Trigger, 1 Blue Tang, 1 Sail fin Tang, 5 Yellow Tang, 1 Naso
Tang, 1 Mexican Rainbow Wrasse, 12 Damsels, 2 Tomato Clowns. All are
doing very well. Feeding Seaweed sheets, Brine Shrimp, Formula 2 and
periodic Squid etc. The tank has numerous dead coral pieces. I am
cleaning the tank at least every 2-3 weeks due to the coral, powerheads, glass
etc.
building up with brown algae. Bleaching and elbow grease always
solves the problem. Question? Can the brown algae buildup
be cut down with additional equipment such as a UV sterilizer or a protein
skimmer? The current equipment setup is: @ wet/dry's
(stand wouldn't accommodate one larger one) Three cabinet setup. 1
Wet/dry on each side. 2 Magnum 350's, 1 with pleated filter, 1 with
carbon in the middle. 4 x-large powerheads in tank, 2 spread out on
each back side of tank. Circulation only w/ 1 bag of carbon in each
powerhead strain canister. Lot's and lot's of water
movement. After each cleaning within a day the tank is crystal
clear but generally erodes within 3 weeks. In addition to more
frequent water changes (25%??)also how often? is their anyway of lowering the
algae growth?
PS: I have been using tap water with chlorine etc. remover. How
important is it that I start using Distilled water? Also, is there anyway of
brighten up white coral? Does it brighten more with bleach or sitting
in the sun? What is a good rule of thumb for bleaching and
cleaning Dead Coral. Thanks for any help you can
provide!! Lane
<Hey Lane, a good skimmer would definitely help in this situation, you have a
heavily stocked tank and some messy fish, the skimmer will help to remove excess
nutrients from the water. Take a read over our skimmer section for
more information. The tap water could also be contributing to the
algae problem, it may have a large amount of phosphates or other nutrients to
help the algae grow. Distilled water will cost you a bundle if you
are doing 25% weekly water changes, you might consider looking into an RO, DI,
or RO/DI unit. I have heard good things about the Kati and Ani system
from DrsFostersSmith.com. I have not had to do much coral bleaching, I'd say a
good dose of bleach and water solution should take care of it, 1cup (straight
bleach, no perfumes or dyes) per 5gal of water. Maybe more bleach, be
sure to give them a good rinse when done and let them dry in the sun to
dissipate the bleach. Best Regards, Gage>
UV vs. Skimmer
Gage:
<Hello Lane>
A UV Sterilizer wouldn't be worth my time?
<Not compared to a good skimmer, both would be nice, but if it were me I
would save the money from the sterilizer and put it towards a better
skimmer. The better you skimmer is, the better your water quality
will be, and the less things (algae, bacteria, parasites) you will need to zap
with a U.V sterilizer. -Best Regards, Gage>
Inline UV Question
Can I run an Eheim 2213 canister filter inline with my Aquanetics 8watt UV
sterilizer? This is for a 37 gallon fish only marine tank.
<You can but it will affect flow rate some. Craig>
UV/Protein Skimmer
Once Again I am calling on your wonderful help.
<Welcome back!>
We purchased a UV Sterilizer for our 75 gallon soon to be reef. Would
it be ok to have the water that comes out of our protein skimmer be the water
that enters the UV Sterilizer? Both machines have the same pump.
Thanks Annette
<Do you mean a direct connection? As long as both the skimmer and
UV unit receive the correct flow rate and there isn't a bubble/air trap (from
bubbles in the skimmer effluent) there is no problem.
You might tee both off of the same pump, separately. Craig>
UV sterilizer questions
Hi! I've been reading your site (Q&As) with great interest! It's a great
source of knowledge that you can combine and then use to make intelligent
decisions on your own.
Anyhow, I have a 130-gallon freshwater tank, with a Magnum 350, Aquaclear 300,
and undergravel filters powered by three Hagen 402s. The output of the Magnum
goes through a Tetra-Tec 5-watt UV unit (WAY too low, I know), then Tees off to
send part back to the tank and part to two bio-wheels. I am considering getting
rid of the Magnum (it's a maintenance pain) and replacing it with a second
Aquaclear 300. I've also just purchased an 18-watt Custom
Sealife double helix hang-on tank UV unit. My questions: 1) How is the Custom
Sealife unit, and is 18-watts enough?
<I would use the manufacturers size recommendation. If it is rated for at
least 130 gallons, then it's likely fine. A filter you will maintain is better
than one you won't.>
2) I am planning on powering it with one of the Hagen 402s (270 gph) which is
sitting on top of my undergravel filter uplift tube. Is this OK?
<If this matches the needed flow rate then it's okay.>
3) I am also planning on taking the output of the UV and running it over ONE
BioWheel and back into the tank. Is THIS a good idea?
<No matter, it will flow over the wheel one way or another, this doesn't
improve or detract from anything. Not really necessary.>
Thanks so much for your help and keep the great site!! Larry
<Have fun Larry, follow the owner's manual and manufacturer's ratings.
Craig>
Re: UV sterilizer questions
Craig...you missed the first question...
My questions: 1) How is the Custom Sealife unit, and is 18-watts enough?
<Hi Larry, I answered part of it and intentionally didn't answer the other
part! I don't use UV, but the main difference between most is marketing, not
substance, especially in an aquarium with multiple passes and proper
care/husbandry in all other matters, i.e.: quarantine, filtration, water
changes, maintenance, and so on. Too many hobbyists use a UV as a
crutch in an attempt to overcome poor husbandry. This is not what
they are intended for. In a cursory search on Yahoo I found four or five sites
carrying 15watt Coralife aquarium/pond UV units rated up to 300 gallons of
aquarium. I didn't see any at 18 watts, although they may be available, as you
mentioned you purchased one. The 15 watt units look fine to me and should work
if they fit (plumb) in your set-up the way you intend. The answer is: use the
manufacturers recommended size rating. Hope this
helps! Craig>
Re: UV sterilizer questions
Craig...thanks for your response and to-the-point answer. The reason you
couldn't find the UV unit is because it's a "Custom Sealife"...not
Coralife. See it here:
"http://www.marineandreef.com/shoppro/sterilizers_Custom.htmlLarry
<Thanks Larry! Same answer different unit! They rate it
conservatively at 100 gallons at this link. The inner sleeve sounds good as is
easy bulb replacement. If it fits your system the way you intend it should work
fine. <Yours, Craig>
Anthony, could you look over this email response and add insight. My Reponses
are there already. Should I send the original to you for a second opinion and
posting? What is the proper Wet Web protocol? Thanks.
Paul
To UV, Or Not To UV?
Thanks! Regarding UV, by the way, I know you are supposed to turn
it off when using meds. When can you turn it back on? Can
you do a water change, replace carbon filter, and turn it on? Or do
you need to wait a while, and if so how long?
<I'd turn it back on after the change, myself>
Since I'm on the subject, what about when using plant fertilizers like Flourish,
products like Melafix, etc.?
<I would not be as concerned about the plant foods, but with medications, I'd
refrain from the UV usage>
Thanks!
<My pleasure! Regards, Scott F>
- More Questions -
I always thaw the food first. <Ahh, good.> I figured that frozen was not
the way to go. It ate a good amount of plankton today. Hopefully this it will
keep in. I have a PC dual light that is around 75 watts and another one on
order. <You will likely need more light than this...> My tank is only a 30
gallon a and the Eheim is rated for 66 gallons. You don't think this is enough?
<No, for effective UV it is probably too much - the trick is the amount of
time the water stays exposed to the bulb... for a 25 watt UV, the approximate
flow rate is 150 gallons per hour - for a lower wattage bulb, the exposure needs
to be even more, so the flow rate should be even less.> Today the fish are
looking real good. Possibly the best I have seen them yet. I thought that the
only time you can kill it is when it is free swimming. <Nope, parasites are
susceptible to treatment most any time.> Also my fish are not itching except
very rarely and every spot clears up in about a day or so. <Again, these
parasites are like creatures in a horror movie - they go away long enough to
reproduce and then come back in ever larger numbers.> What if I was to add
ozone to my protein skimmer? <Ozone would help, but this tank is small enough
where you might do more harm than good - ozone is very reactive and easy to add
to much to the point where it will affect your health too.> I will just take
care of this the way you suggest but I really just don't want to set up a second
tank quite yet. <Is your choice.> My fish while I like them are still
cheaper ones because I did not want to go buy expensive fish right off the bat.
<Well... I like to consider all life as precious, regardless of the arbitrary
price other people put on it, but when you do consider more expensive fish,
please consider quarantine first.>
Shane
<Cheers, J -- >
Skimmer and UV
Thanks for the advice, I will buy the Remora hang-on, I will just have to
buy the pump locally because of the different voltage and frequency. Another
question: I intend to buy an UV-Sterilizer and I have seen recently the Tetratec
UV-Sterilizer with a good price.
Please find in the address below its specifications. http://www.shopsolution.nl/shop/home.asp?shopid=seameec&deptid=tetratechniek
My aquarium is 230 liters. Do you think it is a good choice?
Most display aquariums do not need a UV. They are better employed on the
quarantine tank>
Is it better to connect it as a by-pass on my external bio filter or to use a
separate pump for it?
<either way it needs slow flow and very well prefiltered water (chemically
and mechanically treated). Anthony>
Re: ecosystem 60 and UV sterilizer
I am getting conflicting thoughts from two local pet stores. A small
well
run local store says it's ok to run an ecosystem 60 and a UV sterilizer
together in series for filtration. A local chain says that you
absolutely
never want to run a UV sterilizer period. Unless there is something
wrong
in your tank. He says that unless there is a presence of disease or a
problem, a UV sterilizer should not be used.<They're nuts!>
I need a professional impartial opinion.<Your about to get one!>
I currently have a 55 gallon saltwater tank that I'm looking to setup more
professionally to get better filtration. I'm currently running a
"Skilter"
which is a mechanical filter and protein skimmer device. It was
relatively
cheap and when I got started 5 years ago it was an economical
decision. I
have probably 10lbs of live rock and only a few fish presently but before I
add more I want to just get a better setup going.
It's my understanding the EcoSystem 60 will significantly reduce the need
for water changes and provide better overall filtration.
Your response will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Jeff Longmore
<Jeff, let me start off saying that a U.V sterilizer can be used in a tank no
problem. But don't think it will solve all sickness problems etc.
etc. it will help. I must say though, you should look at updating
your skimmer before adding a U.V sterilizer! I've use Skilters and
find them "iffy" at best. A good skimmer would be much
better! A good skimmer should produce dark skimmate almost
everyday! The EcoSystem 60 will help with water changes to a point,
but it's still up to you to do monthly or bi-monthly changes! Go to
www.wetwebmedia.com/marphysf.htm for more reading! Hope this
helps! Phil>
Re: ecosystem 60 and UV sterilizer
Wow! Thank you for your prompt response!<No problem>
I'm about to check out the link but as usual I have more thoughts and
questions.
Is the UV Sterilizer something that should/could be left on all the time?<You
could leave it on all the time! But it may not be needed>
Could you recommend a quality skimmer for my 55 gallon tank. Does the
skimmer run all the time?<I run all my skimmers all the time! I
like Aqua-C, it would be great in a tank your size.>
Unfortunately, I'm not terribly familiar with how a better setup like this
should operate. I know I want to improve the overall way my tank runs
and
is filtered to make it as low maintenance as possible. I figure I'm
willing
to sink as much as $1K into it. If there are more natural things I
should
be doing, like adding more live rock or plants or something I'd like to know
so I can enjoy the hobby more.
Thank you again,
Jeff
<Your best bet is to add more live rock, but not too much as this is not a
reef tank. I would say add another 10-15 pounds over the next few
months, be sure to qt this rock!!! Get a skimmer as I said
before. You don't need a U.V sterilizer really... if you want one, get
it... I don't run them on my tanks. Only on my pond. What
type of filter are you running, that plays a big factor in water
filtration! What kinda sand bed do you have? That also
plays a part! E-mail me back w/ more spec's of the tank and what's in
it and what will be going in it! The more I know the
better! And this will not cost $1k if you do it
right!! Phil>
Ich, UV, set-up
Guys!
How are you?? I am really grateful that people like you guys are here to help us
newbie!!
<Glad to be here>
Well, I am still fighting ich with a losing battle. I have been fighting this
outbreak for 2 weeks now…
I bought a Aquanetics UV sterilizer 25W last week. And I am not sure what I am
doing is right.
The way I hook it up is like this, the water going into the UV by using a tee
junction with a switch (to control flow rate 200-300
gph ) from the sump pump (so water is gone through all filtration steps.) and
after these water pass through the U.V , it goes into the protein skimmer (I have
a Turboflotor 1000 AquaMedic , it uses 2 pumps, and I hook the water outlet from
the UV to the skimmer water inlet) PLS LOOK AT PICTURE.
Is this hook up ok?? Because I have a
Rio 600 pump, and the skimmer works fine. If not, what should I correct??
<All the water should circulate through the UV (that is the discharge from
the sump back to your tank), rather than part loop back through your UV>
For ich, I tried the natural approach (cleaner shrimp, vitamins… water change)
but no success,… the UV hope to reduce free parasite, fish in main display are
fine, Moorish idol killed in Hospital tank, really sad…
<Yikes... not an easy fish to keep period... and UV really only helps in
early/not-so-virulent cases of ich... won't cure the problem here. Please see: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/UVFAQs.htm>
I have no room for hospital tank to let my tank go fallow for 31 days, is it ok
for me to just treat the fish for 14 days in HT??
<Not really the better route to go, but may be your only choice here... just
fishes in your system? Do you have enough "spare" pre-made water
around to do water changes? Test kits for ammonia, nitrite?>
I guess my question is, can the 33 gallon HT (
AquaClear 500 filter, 301 powerhead with filter, protein skimmer and heater and
proper lighting.) house the following fishes for 31 days with more than 50%
success?? All fish are in good health
2 X 1.25 inch regal tang
1X 3.5 inch rusty angel
1X fire goby
1X 3.5 inch crown trigger
2X clown
1X 5 inch shoal tang
1X 5.5 inch powder blue tang
pls advise.
Also, I bought the new UV because I believe that UV is better than a diatom
filter for reducing parasitic ich, mainly due to 1, less moving parts , 2, more
scientific
3, continuous operation is this view correct???
<Not IMO/E... a UV would be better hands down for aiding in preventing such
problems... the Diatom better for aiding in eradication>
Lastly, my display is a 125 gallon tank, is 25W adequate?? And the instruction
said that a flow rate of 250 GPH are able to kill
protozoa , is that mean ich??
<Yes... but this will only kill free-living (in the water) stages... not the
ones on the fish, developing on the substrate...>
Pls answer me ASAP!!! Thanks!!
<The types and amounts of fishes you have listed are problematic... please go
to WetWebMedia.com and put each of their common name in the Google Search tool
at the bottom of the homepage and read/study... For the amount of money you have
invested in livestock and gear, there is no reason you have not found room for a
quarantine system, that now could/would be utilized as a treatment tank. I would
get and use one post-haste... Your system has an entrenched Cryptocaryon
infestation that the UV will not solve... Treating the main tank will only lead
to more troubles than you currently have. Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/parasittksfaqs.htm
and the linked (at top, in blue) FAQs files beyond... formulate a plan, get the
treatment tank going, move and treat your fishes there. Bob Fenner>
NEWBIE
Eric
Hope I did not waste my money
Hi! I want to thank you guys for your website. It's nice to get some good
consistent advice.
<Thank you very much!>
It seems like every time I listen to my LFS's I end up with more problems.
<That is a shame. Perhaps look into another store in your area. Also, try to
locate a local marine aquarium society. Here you can find many educated opinions
on the local stores, expert advice from seasoned aquarists, and good
friends.>
And the result being that I have transferred lots of money, from my wallet to
theirs without making much progress.
<But on the other hand you are helping to keep the economy humming :)>
In reading your FAQ's I have noticed that you don't seem to mention the use of
the UV sterilizer for the control of the parasites that cause ICH.
<Correct. They are too often misapplied when a proper quarantine tank and
protocol is much more effective and cheaper, too.>
I have recently set up a 300 gallon fish only with lots of live rock. My
approach to controlling the parasite problem is: to maintain a SPG of 1.015,
<Wow! Pretty low for liverock. I prefer to attempt to replicate an
environment closer to nature.>
use cleaner shrimp,
<I am surprised your shrimp are surviving. I also don't put a lot of faith
into the cheap box hydrometers we all use. Your 1.015 reading could be
1.012-1.018 in reality. Calcium deposits, banging them around, and other
activities mess up the measurements.>
a 1-1/2" French Angel (as a cleaner) and a 120 watt UV sterilizer. I have
very good circulation, using a Iwaki MD100RLT. I get about 4 to 5 turns per hour
though the UV.
<Your UV gets that much water through it! As long as you are following the
manufacturer's specifications for effective kill rates of protozoans, you should
be ok.>
Did I waste my money going with the UV or did I do a good thing?<I would not
say you wasted your money, but do not let the UV lull you into a false sense of
security and add unquarantined fish to the display. Also, be sure to keep track
of all the maintenance (replacement lamps, cleaning the quartz sleeve, polishing
the water to ensure maximum UV penetration through the water, etc.). UV's are
very labor intensive.>
Thank you, Rick
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
UV Sterilizers In Reef Tanks
Good day, Frank here.
<Scott F. here this afternoon>
Do you think that UV Sterilizers will help my reef tank in brown alga bloom and
hair alga ?
<Probably not. They are effective at reducing unicellular algae, but I think
that nutrient export/reduction is the key to removing the algae that you
mentioned>
Although I had use phosphate remover and MH light been used. Is MH light cause
more alga problem than fluorescent lamp (NO, HO, VHO)?
<Well- it's really not the light, in and of itself. It's the light in
conjunction with high levels of nutrients, such as phosphate, nitrate, silicate,
etc.>
As far I know is that UV will kill bad and good floating bacteria,
(phytoplankton - food for coral) that by pass it. So for bacteria in liverock
and live sand, the UV will not have opportunity to kill it. right?
<That's my opinion, too>
Algae is a floating type , so my tank will have less brown alga on my front tank
and hair algae if I use UV Sterilizers?
<Again- I think it's more a function of nutrient reduction. You will not see
as much "green water" in a UV-equipped tank, but I don't think that
there will be a noticeable reduction in hair or brown algae... You should work
on improving water quality through efficient protein skimming, water changes,
using quality make-up water (RO/DI), and careful feeding>
That means also if I use UV, I will have to feed my fish and coral more, if not
their will suffer from floating food in the water.
<Well, I don't know about them "suffering", but UV use can alter or
reduce populations of natural plankton in aquariums>
Hope my question not confusing you ... Thank you.
<I hope that I was able to clarify some things for you. Good luck!>
UV Use
Hi, I wrote a couple of weeks ago about a 300 gallon fish only tank that
would not clear up (very Cloudy) Your recommendation was a UV sterilizer. It
worked great. Now my question is how long do I keep it on the tank?
<Indefinitely>
I'm getting ready to add some live rock. Will this effect the rock or the algae
growth on the rock?
<Won't affect negatively>
Should I remove the UV or let it run Its been running about two
weeks. Thanks Again for your help, Rob
<Thank you for your query. More questions re these physical filtration
devices can be found archived here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marphysf.htm
and the linked, UV FAQs beyond. Bob Fenner>
UV sterilization and live plankton
What if any effect does U.V sterilization have on the live plankton I put in
my tank for my corals?
<much, most or all of the plankton that passes through the unit will be
killed depending on the flow through rate (and efficacy of the set-up). UV is
not recommended on reef tanks. It should not be necessary for disease control
with proper QT of all new animals, and it should not be needed to temper green
water with adequate nutrient export mechanisms (skimming, water changes, etc).
UV's are commonly mis-sold for disease control yet they fail regularly due to
improper installation. They need a fine polishing mechanical prefilter on the
inlet, tank water needs to have aggressive clarity control (weekly carbon or
daily ozone), the contact chamber needs a very slow flow through and a monthly
purge to reduce mulm and other built up organics, and the bulb needs to be
changed approximately every six months. And even when all of this is done... it
can only kill what flows through it. Many larval parasites settle to the
substrate and can rise and attack fishes before being drawn into the UV. UV are
best run on bare glass bottomed aquaria for this and other reasons. Best
regards, Anthony>
Re: new reef tank issues
Hello Craig.
<Hi Steven,>
I do not have a secondary tank to quarantine the damsels. Will a small U.V
sterilizer work? I am told it will eliminate the ick, but will also damage good
organisms.
<No. Will kill Ick in water column but cannot circulate all the water in all
the various crevices and such...so Ick will remain as long as there is a fish
host (which the UV can't cure either). You can purchase a pretty nice QT set-up
for the price of an ineffective UV.>
How long should the light be on ?
<Your main should run for twelve hours, it has corals that need the light.
You can keep a QT for fish bare and dark (with a few plastic plants and places
to hide). Do scrap the UV idea, it won't eliminate Ick>
Can I add corals such as brain, clams, torch, etc. with ick in the tank once it
has completed cycling?
<The Ick will not affect any other aquarium inhabitants but fish. Please keep
in mind that Ick could come in on corals and rock kept in systems housing fish,
so are to be QT'ed too.>
The only residents in my tank now are some snails, a couple crabs, and some
things (polypus I think) growing on the live rock.
<No worries there.>
If the tank is without the infected fish for 1 month, will that be the end of
the ick life cycle in the tank? I appreciate your ongoing help. Steve.
<That is the life cycle. There are some particularly "virulent"
forms that may persist, but if you read the links to disease, you will realize
that the month fallow should be spent improving the conditions that led to this
spike of Ick in your marine environment. To prepare for returning fish perhaps
you should look into some cleaner shrimp and gobies to get after any remaining
stress related outbreaks. You can check them out at Aquaria.com, or any of the
other livestock sponsors of WetWebMedia.com. Sure hope this helps! Craig>
UV Filtration
I recently upgraded from a 55 to a 90 gallon aggressive tank with abundant live
rock (125-150 lbs), live sand (30 lbs?) and a small, happy & healthy
community of creatures. I am using a Fluval 402 canister filter and will
be upgrading from a Red Sea Prism to a AquaC Remora Pro H/O filter. As I
am fairly new to the hobby, I am quite happy keeping less exotic, hardy species,
but of course I would like to practice the best husbandry possible.
<<Hi Thomas! Craig Watson here answering some of
Bob's inquiries while he attends the MACNA conference in Fort Worth. Nice
upgrade on the skimmer, you won't regret it. Wise to progress as you
learn!>>
My question is this: is the UV filter going to be useful for me? My
thinking is that it would stabilize the environment during the stocking phase,
as I will be adding several fish in the next few weeks.
Your responses to FAQs regarding UV filtration seem to suggest that its
usefulness is limited and that it might actually remove useful microorganisms as
well as potentially harmful ones. It strikes me that this is similar to
the use of antibiotics to treat human disorders, which leads me to wonder:
is it possible to use UV filtration in a limited way, i.e. not to leave it on
the system permanently, but rather to employ it when needed? For example,
would it make sense to put my UV filter on the tank in anticipation of
acclimating new creatures, then only leave it on until they've been fully
assimilated into the community? Also, would it be useful to keep the UV
filter handy in case of unexpected problems arising? If so, when would it
be appropriate to deploy it?
<<I personally do not use UV. I, like Bob, think it has
limited usefulness. There are others that endorse it strongly and swear by
it. Each group has what could be defined as success. I don't see UV
helping you when stocking. I can't recommend strongly enough though, the
use of a quarantine tank for all new inhabitants. You can read about quarantine
on WWM. The biggest issue when stocking is not overstepping your bio-capacity
and UV can't help you there. No fish should be stocked until after a
proper quarantine.
There are situations where UV can be helpful, but these are usually situations
best avoided by proper husbandry and care. UV is routinely used for infestations
if ick, velvet and other parasites. While it kills these organisms in the
water column not all of the organisms make it to the UV for treatment before
they attach to rock, tank or substrate to then find a host. Quarantine and
treatment resolves this before it becomes a problem. UV is also used for algae
control which could be better accomplished with clean nutrient free source
water, nutrient export, skimming, filtration and feeding the correct amounts and
types of food.
I personally wouldn't use UV on a constant basis or go out and buy one, but if I
had it and I had one of the aforementioned issues it wouldn't be harmful to use
it temporarily.
If it's new in the box and you could return it, I would invest in a nice QT tank
which you will need and use more than the UV. I hope this helps, Craig>>
Re: UV Filtration
Craig, Thanks for the helpful comments! I think I may
return the UV filter, after all. I wonder if I might trouble you for some more
advice?
I would like to simulate a dawn/day/dusk lighting cycle and it seems like
the best way for me to accomplish this would be with two 24" tank-top
fixtures, each containing two bulbs with separate power cords and
controls. I could get away with a single 48" fixture, but it would be
less convenient for working in the tank.
Anyway, the only ones I've been able to find so far are by Custom Sealife
and they are quite expensive. Since my tank is not a reef set-up, I don't
know that I need the very best in lighting. Would you have any more
reasonable alternatives to suggest? Appreciatively, Thomas
<<Hi Thomas, How much do they want for the 24" fixtures? Do you want
a dimming dawn/dusk display or do you just want the lights to come on and go off
in stages?
If you want a true dimming cycle you should look into an Ice Cap ballast with a
dimmer. This actually dims the fluorescent lights.
You can see them at http://www.championlighting.com/
or Marine Depot http://www.marinedepot.com/
There are of course other retailers as well.
If cost is an issue, and of course it is for most of us, then you can go with
multiple fixtures or one fixture and timer(s) without the dimmer.
A good place to look for something like the CSL would be AH supply at: http://ahsupply.com/
Hope this helps! Craig>>
Angels and UV sterilizers and Monkey crap
After I added live rock to my tank, I have unable to keep any type of angel
fish longer than two months. My LFS made the following comments to me today:
"If you have live rock, angel fish will get coral reef disease and not last
more than two months. The only way to keep them alive is to use a UV
sterilizer."
<that explanation from your LFS is not only the biggest pile of steaming
monkey crap that I have heard in weeks, but also the most shameless yet creative
sales strategy for selling UV sterilizers that I have ever heard of. Did they
explain what it is in live rock that specifically kills angels after the magic
8-week time-elapse (they need to come up with a much better explanation than a
mythical "coral Reef Disease" to temper their "Pinocchio
Disorder") or how it is that angels in the wild survive while living on and
in live rock?!?! Furthermore, what is it that the UV does to correct this?>
I was able to keep a bi color angel alive for several years when I had only lace
rock in the tank. So maybe he is right?
<he couldn't be any more wrong with an honorable mention for being patently
ignorant or patently fraudulent. Did it cross your mind that maybe the problem
with your angels is the source (ahem...)>
Also, won't the UV sterilizer kill some of the good micro whatever stuff in the
tank?
<not really... and it also does a rather poor job of killing parasites in
display tanks too as evidenced by the sick angels purchased from this LFS...heehee.>
Thanks for your time.
<May I suggest that you be certain to QT all new fishes from a full 4 weeks
and also consider that bicolor angles are rather difficult to keep to begin with
and that most seen in the trade are stressed and or drug caught Philippine
specimens. They only cost about $6 wholesale which is why some retailers like to
keep selling this challenging species... tempting profits. I'd reconsider the
species overall despite your previous success and I will say that live rock will
be necessary to keep this fish more than 2 years in captivity with less
fear/concern of death by dietary deficiency. Best regards, Anthony>
Odd UV
Dear Bob,
<Steven Pro this morning.>
I would like to purchase a Vecton 15 watt UV sterilizer. There is only one
active supplier in the US and will not sell to private individuals
<Who is he selling to?>
and I cannot find anyone who will or can order this for me. Can you help me?
<We at WWM do not sell anything other than articles and images. I would
contact this vendor again and ask for whom he sells to. One of these places has
to be a retailer. Otherwise, I would shop for another brand. If getting the unit
is such a hassle, getting replacement lamps will be too.>
Thank you, Mona
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
Rainbow Lifegard 25 watt UV Sterilizer
<<Greetings...>>
I have been given conflicting information on this sterilizer (Rainbow
Lifegard 25 Watt). I was wondering if you could give me your opinion -- I highly
value it.
I currently run this on a 100gallon saltwater aquarium. I am moving up to a 160
gallon tank and thus started wondering if my current sterilizer would be ok to
run with it. The flow rate for this particular model is 750gph. When I called
the place that I got it from they said it would be fine to run it up to a 180
gallon. However, another place that I talked to said this:
"Maybe if used as an algae clarifier but it would be pretty useless against
parasites and many bacteria. A flow rate of 750 gph with a 25 watt sterilizer
will give you a zap dose less than 8,000 microwatts/sec/sq. cm. That won’t
even kill E. coli bacteria. It will work for ponds as an algae clarifier but
that’s not the intended use for an indoor aquarium."
In your opinion, Dr. Fenner, <<Well, two things quickly, I'm not Bob, and
he's not a doctor, though he might play one on TV ;-) >> is this person
correct in his thinking? <<Quite... it's true. The item that determines
whether a UV sterilizer will work or not is the period of time the item being
sterilized is kept in front of the bulb. For a typical 25w UV, the flow rate you
would need to kill water-borne parasites is roughly 150 gph. By running at such
a low rate, there's just no practical way to get all the system water into the
UV in such a way to get 100% sterilized water. Is a much misunderstood fact
about UV, but sadly is usually not money well spent. Much better off adopting
good quarantine practices and stopping problems there before the leak into your
main displays.>> Am I running an inappropriate sterilizer for an aquarium
in the first place? <<I would try to run without one at all.>>
What should I do -- I'm so confused and don't really know enough about this to
make a competent decision. Thanks for any help you can provide. I appreciate it
greatly!
Elizabeth K. Birdwell
<<My pleasure. Cheers, J -- >>
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