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Catalaphyllia are NOT social species. Do NOT get along w/ other Cnidarian life.

Best kept in a species display dedicated to it as the only "Coral"

Info on Elegance Coral    11/17/12
Hi,
I hope you can help me out a little bit here. I just have a two question for my Elegance Coral. 3 weeks back I bought a new Elegance coral, It did well for first week then half of the coral went retracted for day or two then inflated fully very nicely swaying tentacles stretched and inflated.
<Typical behavior>
week two went fine like that then couple of days back coral went retracted for two days again but it was inflating about 25% to its full size every now and then . Now for past two days it is inflating but 50%~70% of its maximum, is this its normal behaviour.
<Better for it to eventually re-inflate to full size, but not abnormal>
Second Question: Today evening I noticed the Coral sprayed out some white slimy / mucus particles from space between its skeleton and Flesh (disc of Tentacles) , and I noticed My Yellow Tang ate that slimy mucus thing, My Fairy Wrasse, and Yellow Tang slightly nipped on the coral as well.....  
Is my coral sick and what was that slime thing?
<Tissue... not good>
 if Toxic why would Yellow Tang feast upon it?
<Not toxic; perceived as food>
, I have also added some Seachem Phytoplankton twice in this span of time.
<For what purpose/s? Not a food...>
I have other corals that seem fine (Magnificent Anemone, Zoanthids, Mushrooms, Trumpet, Finger Leather Coral, Toadstool Mushroom, Xenia, Flowerpot, Frogspawn, Orange Sea Sponge)
<Mmm, well, these aren't all corals, and many are dangerously allelopathogenic... Not compatible.
Could be an/the issue w/ your Catalaphyllia. Umm, read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm
and the linked files above, till you grasp the gist...>
Fish: Pair of Clown Fish Normally Spawning every 3rd Week, 1-Yellow Tang(small 2"), 1-Fairy Wrasse.
SG: 1.024  PH:8.2  KH:9  Ammonia:0, NO2: 0, NO3: 10, PO4: 0.025, Calc: 400, Mag:1200, Temp:81F   lighting: MH 1x150w 1400K+ 2x20w T5 + 2x20w Actinic  (Tank Size:40G +15G sump)
Thanks
Anees
<Uhh, and read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/elegance.htm
and all the Related FAQs files linked above re this species. Bob Fenner> 

Elegance Coral health problem 8/5/11
Greetings WWM crew. And apologies in advance for sending out a redundant question; I see many people have had a similar issue to the one I'm going to describe, but I have yet to find an answer that matches my quandary or offers recommendations that I've not already tried.
<Hotay>
Over the last few days, my 2 month old
<I assume then that the other Cnidarians shown in your tank/system image pre-date this introduction; including the anemone in the left corner>
(since I purchased it) Aussie Elegance Coral won't open fully. It's tentacles are partially inflated, but it's oral disk remains closed and I haven't seen it take food. My tank is a quite crowded but very healthy 55 with an assortment of LPS, a few leathers, and a couple of SPS. Specifications: 0 ammonia, nitrate and nitrite, 8.2 ph, 11 alkalinity, 480 calcium, 1250 magnesium,
<Low in ratio to the CA, but not the issue here principally>
a very slight trace of phosphates, and 1.026SG; 30 gallon sump/refugium running 2 reactors (1 carbon, 1 Phosban);
<Perhaps this is a factor; nutrient deprivation... Catalaphyllia live in nutrient rich mud... all chemoautotrophs need measurable NO3, HPO4>>
T5 fixture with 3 actinic and 3 white; mediocre protein skimmer
(Coralife, but I forget the specific type) . The specimen in question is positioned in the lower right corner of the tank, somewhat shaded from my lights by a Kenyan tree leather about 12" above. Also, low flow (gentle movement of EC's tentacles), and no direct contact with any other corals.
The EC was opening beautifully daily (filling up the entire corner), until about a week ago when I found a yellow knobby sea cucumber affixed to its skeleton/base. This Cuke seemed to be bothering the EC (as that it was only partially open), so after 48 hours of not moving away from the EC, I physically removed it. The EC's position in the tank has not changed, but since the encounter it has failed to fully open again. It starts the day quite contracted, but usually, around the time the lights go out, it's about 1/3 - 1/2 its former size; however, it never opens to its previous, impressive self.
I ran into a similar problem with my previous attempt to house an EC.
I chalked the last death up to a negligent tank-sitter who no-showed for the week I was vacationing, along with the fact that it was a frag from a questionable LFS and so had encountered earlier stress. This recent EC was not fragged,
<Not good candidates>

and came from a more reputable LFS. Also, I feed a variety of frozen and liquid foods, target feeding the EC with oyster feast.
Iodine supplement of 2 drops 2-3x per week. Using Salinity salt mix, along with RO/DI water. Not sure what else I can tell you, but if there's any information I left out please let me know and I'll quickly respond.
The only other odd thing going on in this tank is a pipe organ coral that has not opened in roughly 2 weeks. And yes, that is one huge LTA in the left corner that I have tried to box in to keep it from fighting the pagoda cup above. The new, massive tank is coming, but not until next July when I've completed my relocation 2000 miles from my current address.
Thanks in advance for any advice you may share.
Eric
<This is a classic case of allelopathy. Read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/elegcorcompfaqs.htm
and here: http://wetwebmedia.com/CorlCompArt.htm
And write back if you have further questions, concerns. Bob Fenner>


Catalaphyllia at lower right

Re: Elegance Coral health problem 8/5/11
Bob, thanks much for the reply. To clarify, both of the pictures were taken
at the same time. Most of the other tank inhabitants/Cnidarians were established well before (several months to one year) the Elegance was introduced. As for fragged EC's: are you saying that it's best to buy ones
that have been fragged, and that unfragged EC's are 'not good candidates'?
<Sorry for the confusion. Mean/t that this species is not a good candidate for dividing period. Doesn't take well to breaking, cutting>
Finally, do you think the reason the pipe organ is remaining closed is also due to allelopathy?
<More likely from a lack of (chemical) nutrition>
I run generous amounts of carbon to help with the fighting, but keep the EC in a low flow, solitary corner where detritus tends to accumulate. Plus my red Goniopora is thriving, and I thought they liked nutrient rich water as well.
<Mmm, well, the best course of action would have been and is now to remove the Catalaphyllia, slowly acclimate it per the link you were referred to; daily mixing of some water twixt systems>
I sure love the hobby, but every day brings another lesson to be learned.
And I never thought these animals would grow as fast as they have! A larger tank can't come soon enough.
<Agreed>
Best to you and your team,
Eric
<Welcome. BobF>

Re: Elegance Coral health problem 8/15/11
Greetings Bob
<Salutations Eric>
I wanted to provide an update on my elegance coral in hopes that it might help others with a similar problem. As the picture I've attached indicates, the EC has drastically improved since I first contacted you.
<Ah good>
In order to help it out, I've done 2 ten gallon water changes (using salinity salt mix) on my 55 system (with 30 gallon sump/refugium), added fresh black diamond carbon, and most importantly (I think) started target feeding the tank and EC specifically with reef nutrition Phyto-feast and oyster-feast.
To clarify: for some reason, when I ran out of the phyto-feast several weeks ago, I didn't bother to replace it since I had a similar frozen food on hand. Some corals in my tank started looking a little rough, but I had decided it was because of allelopathy rather than diet (as that my tank is crowded and I had a declining sea fan). I eventually remembered the change in diet, and when I started back up with the liquid phyto feast things began to turn around. The elegance coral, which had stopped opening fully and was in quick decline (I often hear people worrying about similar problems, which seems to elude remedy), perked up shortly thereafter and is now eating silversides. Its oral disc opens fully during the day, its polyps are completely extended, and it only closes partially once lights go out.
<Yay!>
I don't know if it was one of these changes or all if them in tandem that helped my EC to recover, but I thought that sharing my positive experience might be helpful. However, I should note that since regular water changes and carbon use are standard for my set up, I'm inclined to credit the return to phyto-feast as the most important change.
Hoping the positive turn lasts,
Eric
<Thank you for this follow-up. BobF>

Catalaphyllia jardinei Receding. Why?? :o( /Catalaphyllia Health 11/11/10
Hey guys,
<Antonis>
Really devastated to right this msg :( My Catalaphyllia jardinei was ok when I put it in a week ago but not any more. Here are some pics I posted on UR for you to see:
http://www.ultimatereef.net/forums/showthread.php?t=426810
Any ideas?
I really love to save this beautiful coral but I honestly don't know why..
<Start by reading/learning here and related articles/FAQs found in the header.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/elegance.htm>
Many thanks for your prompt reply guys..
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Awaiting yours.
Antonis


A bit too close to the Zoanthid on its left. RMF

Re Catalaphyllia jardinei Receding. Why?? :o( /Catalaphyllia Health 11/11/10 - 11/12/10
That's an old photo. Have moved the Catalaphyllia almost 20cm's fm the zoa's. Still not opening:(
<I've read where I referred you and there isn't too much I can add to that other than the fact that they are sensitive to many species of soft corals. Your substrate does not appear to be to their liking as
they are found in soft sandy/muddy bottoms. Their tissue is easily torn/punctured due to abrasion which can result from being placed on coarse bottoms and/or among live rock. I suggest you read again, especially the FAQs on Catalaphyllia health, compatibility, and systems.
James (Salty Dog)><<Well-done/stated James, B>>

Elegance Coral - secreting white cotton like substance... 11/12/07 Hi, Thank you for maintaining a very informative site that provides extremely useful information to beginner like me. I recently bought an Elegance coral, I put it on the bottom of the tank as many of your articles suggested, and I tried to place it as far away as possible from the lighting. Since I put it in the tank, it started secreting some white stuff from a few of its mouths. The white stuff looks like cotton balls, pretty white in color (no brown stuff so far) and dense, and occasionally white slimy stuff. When I put the Elegance in the tank, my cleaner shrimp checked it out. It was pretty detailed, <?> and it pushed its claws into each of the mouths. I am not sure if it caused the problem. I tried to search your site, I saw most problems were related to brown stuff, but mine is white. The coral never fully opens. Is it some kind of a disease? <How long have you had this animal? What other livestock/cnidarians esp. are present? What re your water quality? What have you tried feeding it?> Should I dip it in SeaChem Coral Dip (the only medication I have now)? <... no> I also have an Open Brain before the Elegance. <Oh!> The Open Brain used to open very well. <How far away is this colony?> From the day I have the Elegance in the water, the Open Brain seems to open less as large as previously, and it has been hiding its tentacles so far. <Ah yes> Is the Elegance secreting some kind of chemical that affects other corals? <Oh YES!> Thanks in advance for your help! Simon <Look on WWM, the wider Net re mesenterial filaments, sweeper tentacles... of Caryophylliids... compatibility of Cnidarians... you have a battle going on here. Bob Fenner>

Re: Elegance Coral - secreting white cotton like substance... still not reading... 11/13/07 > Hi, > Thank you for maintaining a very informative site that provides extremely useful information to beginner like me. > I recently bought an Elegance coral, I put it on the bottom of the tank as many of your articles suggested, and I tried to place it as far away as possible from the lighting. Since I put it in the tank, it started secreting some white stuff from a few of its mouths. The white stuff looks like cotton balls, pretty white in color (no brown stuff so far) and dense, and occasionally white slimy stuff. When I put the Elegance in the tank, my cleaner shrimp checked it out. It was pretty detailed, > <?> [The shrimp was all over it including the mouths. I would be very happy if my clown does the same instead of the shrimp. <... no... It would be consumed> The condition of the Elegance is getting worse and it is completely closed, some tentacles are being bitten off by the shrimp and I can see them floating in the water! I can now see the white stuff between the skeleton and the flesh. May be I have an aggressive cleaner shrimp. This is not the first time, I have a frogspawn. <... ! You didn't mention this...> Please forgive my ignorance if I got it completely wrong. On the frogspawn, there is a small area like a small volcano. There are some really small tentacles inside it and they move in and out to drag food inside. The shrimp actually pull the poor little thing out <?> and now I think it is left with an empty shell, though the frogspawn seems to be ok.] > and it pushed its claws into each of the mouths. > I am not sure if it caused the problem. I tried to search your site, I saw most problems were related to brown stuff, but mine is white. > The coral never fully opens. Is it some kind of a disease? > <How long have you had this animal? What other livestock/cnidarians esp. are present? What re your water quality? What have you tried feeding it?> [I only have it for 3 days. I have a clown, a cleaner shrimp, a frogspawn, a open brain and a few snails. I also had a Sailfin until this morning! <Killed by the stony coral interaction...> It was doing very ok on the day I introduced the Elegance. It was very relax searching for food, it was eating, and it was not shy at all. Its condition suddenly went very bad, breathing very rapidly and then died within hours. Could it be the chemical from the Elegance? <Yes...> I also noticed the water get a bit foggy during the past two days. The water parameters was perfect, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, Ca, KH, pH are all at the recommended level for reef the day before I have the Elegance. I can't imagine they can change drastically within 3 days.] <Not the root cause here. What is? Your jamming incompatible life...> > Should I dip it in SeaChem Coral Dip (the only medication I have now)? > <... no> > I also have an Open Brain before the Elegance. > <Oh!> > The Open Brain used to open very well. > <How far away is this colony?> [They are at least 6 inches apart. I did not see any tentacles that can reach that far.] <Euphylliids need to be placed a foot or more apart... their sweeper tentacles can reach this far... mesenterial filaments can break off, chemical allelopathy go throughout the system...> > From the day I have the Elegance in the water, the Open Brain seems to open less as large as previously, and it has been hiding its tentacles so far. > <Ah yes> > Is the Elegance secreting some kind of chemical that affects other corals? > <Oh YES!> > Thanks in advance for your help! > Simon > <Look on WWM, the wider Net re mesenterial filaments, sweeper tentacles... of Caryophylliids... compatibility of Cnidarians... you have a battle going on here. Bob Fenner> [I can't deal with chemical warfare in my Nano. I just move the Elegance to a QT and I have to decide the next step. I am not even sure if it can survive since it is completely close. Another lesson I guess! Thanks.] <... too cavalier. Read here (don't write): http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm and the linked files above. BobF>

Decline of An Elegance Coral?  3/30/06 Scott, <Scott here! Sorry for the delay in the reply.> Thank you very much for your quick response.  I was kind of wondering if the 20k bulbs might be an issue, but if they do turn out to be then I may slowly switch them out for 10k.  I have actually been more concerned about how deep the 175 watt bulbs will be able to penetrate vs. 400 watt.  What do you think? <They'll be fine for most corals in a 24" deep tank, IMO.> One other quick question about a Elegance coral I have.  I also have a 46 gallon bowfront tank with great water quality and everything else doing spectacular but my Elegance.  When I first got it for the first couple of weeks it opened up nicely but since then over about a months time it seems to be slowly shrinking and opening less and less.  It doesn't show any other signs of stress other then it keeps getting smaller and opens less and less. For about a week it would blow up like a balloon during the day, which I thought was a little abnormal also.  I did read that it is good to target feed Elegance, which I wasn't doing for the first month and tried to start doing a week ago but only seemed to worsen its condition.  Also, a friend of mine has beautiful large Elegance that he never target feeds and is doing wonderful.   Any ideas or suggestions about what I could do to hopefully improve it condition?  Is it savable or it slowly dying? Thanks again, your feedback very very helpful Jason <Well, Jason, these corals really do benefit from directed feeding. They are also susceptible to allelopathic "attacks" from other corals in your system, so they are really best suited for a monospecific display, as the only coral in residence. Feed them small foods (less than 1/4" in size) and keep the water quality high. Do make use of the vast resources here on WWM regarding the care of this coral. Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>

Catalaphyllia EMERGENCY Hi Bob!! Just wanted to say a big THANK YOU for the advice and the services you provide online. Its great to see someone actually responding to emails coz I know a lot of message boards and FAQ's don't! Big Thanks! My Catalaphyllia elegance coral seemed to be doing okay lately. but One day all of a sudden when I came home, it looked terrible!! All my water parameters are good (except nitrates a little high but I'm working on that ~ 20mg/l). I have been feeding it Mysis shrimp, probably not as much as I should be .. last time I fed it was about 5 days ago. I've had the coral for approx a month and a half now and it seemed to be doing okay - It's had its ups and downs (when sometimes it didn't look as good) but its never been as bad as this. << Is there anything else you have changed recently? >>   Here are some pictures, I apologize for them being so big .. I'm not 100% sure how to shrink them, u probably don't have to look through all of them (about 10 pictures) but I've included one picture of it when its looking healthy and 9 of it when its looking pretty bad. As you can see, some patchy parts are swollen while other patchy parts of it are all shriveled up. Some of the oral disks are swollen and almost see-through. http://photos.yahoo.com/catalaphyllia/ Its a fairly new tank. Other tank inhabitants are 2 clown fish, a tri colored damsel (not sure if that's what its called), a Radianthus anemone, leather coral, brain coral, Goniopora sp and a torch and daisy coral (I think that's what they're called - Euphyllias). Also, the coral is from Australia. (I'm located in Sydney) would you have any idea what could be the problem? I don't think its a lighting issue although I think it would like it better with better lighting. << Please describe your lighting set up. >> But I have had the coral for about 1 and a half months in the same conditions but its never been this bad before. << It makes me think it wasn't really thriving before, but just taking its time to get to this point.  I would recommend moving the coral in the tank.  Nothing to lose.  Also, did you get it straight from the ocean, or did it come from a friend or a store.  If the latter, I would be comparing your tank to what the previous tank was like. >> Thanks Wallace << Sorry I can't be of more help. Adam B. >>

Dear Bob, I'm having a problem with an elegance coral that I purchased recently. It seems to have been raised in half of an old clam shell or maybe it just grew that way, I don't know, but it's approximately 7 inches across not counting the curves. It never did open up fully when I placed it in the tank giving it plenty of room. We bought it locally from a reputable dealer and didn't travel but 30 minutes to bring it home. After about a week in the bottom of the tank, in moderate current and full light, a small portion of the animal at the far end seems to be falling out of it's skeleton. The rest of the animal stays pretty well withdrawn throughout the day and night now. I've placed it back in the quarantine tank. What is going on with this critter? We have a 125 gallon reef tank of R/O water with a skimmer, metal halides with two blue actinics set up 8 inches off the top of the tank with fans blowing through and a couple of power heads at either end of the tank. We put 190 lbs of cured and encrusted Marshall, Fiji and Tonga rock in it 6 weeks ago and never got a spike and we were told by several trustworthy shop owners that we may never get a spike. So we started stocking the tank. We have a Ritteri anemone with 2 Percula clowns, 5 green and 2 blue Chromis, 2 rock anemones, 4 assorted small leather corals, one Tridacnid maxima, a small bubble coral, a couple of open brains, 5 or 6 small mushroom corals, one red tree sponge, some Zoanthids and a pulsing xenia, an assortment of snails that I believe are getting stung by the anemones, a half dozen small hermit crabs, and I've seen at least one bristle worm. I try to keep the soft corals down stream from the hard corals. Temperature gets up to 80 degrees during the day and cools to 76-78 at night. ph fluctuates between 8.0 and 8.3. The calcium was staying right around 450 to 495 mg/l until the other evening when it dropped to about 345 mg/l. I have a drip of calcium hydroxide at night and dose with Seachem's Marine Buffer every other day. Alkalinity has averaged at 3.5 to 4 meg/l over the last several weeks. Specific gravity is 1.025, no ammonia, nitrites, nitrates or phosphates.  Could it be that this animal is splitting it's colony and do I need to provide some sort of home for the orphan? Your prompt response is greatly appreciated, Catherine Cyko >> Catherine, tomorrow I am going to write and send you a draft (to review and edit if you don't mind) re Catalaphyllia... this coral animal is a real heartbreak... not suitable for most reef set-ups... You will soon realize that it's natural history calls for being in horizontal settings (not vertical), in mud, in high organic nutrient concentrations, with no other stinging celled life about... I promise to send along my pending article on this family Caryophylliidae genus... sorry to be so cynical, it's just that so many of these Elegance Corals are lost due to... what? A lack of disclosure? A general lack of understanding of their needs? Anyhow, will send in a day or so. Bob Fenner, who says, in the meanwhile, if you can, move the specimen to a dirty tank with vascular grasses, like Turtle Grass (Thalassia) by itself... with high nitrates, phosphate... >>

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