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PLSS HELP - Something wrong with my Flowerhorn - Unable to
diagnose. Env. – 09/08/09
Hello,
<Hi there>
Something definitely wrong with my Flowerhorn... I will try to be as
descriptive as possible..I have not given any pictures in this post..
because picture in this case will not tell you anything...
Background
Tank - 48 X 18 X 18
<In inches I'll take it, not cm.>
Filter - Canister 1200 L/H
Air Curtain for aeration...
Small pebbles in the ground, not as a substrate but more of him to play
with...
<At times gravel is useful to necessary to foster biological filtration>
A bog wood - on which the air curtain is tied around
Sunday (August 30th 2009) - Performed a major cleaning of his tank.
Cleaned glass, he had quite few number of pebbles as gravel to play
with, had to remove some of them, because they were very dirty.. Cleaned
the canister medium only partially... changed water over 50%...
<Mmm, I would usually keep such changes to 25-20% maximum>
Wednesday (2nd September) - Got hold of a brand new packet of Ching Mix
Sp100 (from US) - Started feeding him in small quantities morning and
evening..
Thursday (3rd September) - Noticed an unusual thing in the evening.. FH
has passed poo usual in color, but the poo was floating on top of the
surface instead of settling down..
<Can be just the food>
Problem
Friday (4th September ) -
Morning - Changed water 20%.. added salt..
<... why? What sort of salt/s? Unless added to raise dKH or such, not
necessary or advised with Neotropical Cichlids>
usual appetite for him and usual aggression.. he had his feeding (Ching
Mix)
Evening - Went home to see him lying on corner of the tank.. color
darkened.. The whole tank is spread with this Poo.. very unusual for a
FH poo.. not continuous, but small granule like structure, black in
color spread all across the tank floor...
Performed water change once again, cleaned the mess and added salt....
felt that he also had trouble in swimming... (is that a swim bladder??)
<...? No>
Saturday (5th Sep) -
Morning - Color improved... no signs of stress, but most of the time
resting down...when swimming, swimming is normal.. tried showing him his
food packet.. he became excited for feeding.. did not fed him though -
Diagnosis, may be minor constipation... Stomach slightly
bloated..Thought I should be stopping Ching Mix...
<I would>
Evening - Situation remained same.. Throughout this day, he did not
passed any poo...
On account of heavy rainfall where I live...temperature of the tank was
showing 27.4 degrees, Changed water 20%, added heater, salt, had set the
temp to 30 degrees.. Did not fed him for the whole day...
Sunday (6th Sep) -
Morning - Still no sign of improvement.. most of the time resting below,
he comes up only when someone approaches his tank.. But he had
appetite...No food... Water change 20%, added salt
<Don't add salt>
Evening - Situation remained same...resting down.. not passing any
poo... Tried him 1 pellet soaked in water.. I had to find out what was
wrong... he ate that single pellet literally gulped it (Hikari cichlid
staple)... Moment after consuming the pellet, vertical black stripes
appeared out of no where and he went down to rest in the corner...
Monday (7th Sep) -
Morning - found him resting below, color darkened.. Started
Metronidazole treatment... Metrogyl 400 mg dissolve in luke warm water,
pellets soaked in that solution for 15 min.s.. fed him.. usual appetite,
usual aggression while feeding... once completed, body turned black..
went down to rest...
Evening - Went home, found him resting on a corner.. he has passed Poo -
this time normal in structure but dark yellow in color? When someone
approaches, he swims fine... otherwise whole day resting in a corner -
Stomach bloating disappeared...
Water change 20%, added Salt
<...>
Tuesday (8th Sep - Today) -
Morning, same situation resting, dark stripes in the body... fed him few
pellets with Metrogyl soaked... He has passed Poo, small in quantity but
dark yellow in color
Help me guys what is going wrong??
<Salt... water quality likely, some toxicity...>
1. Looking at his swimming pattern - he does not have a swim bladder...
<... Cichlids do have such>
Sometimes he jumps to catch the pellet..
2. Internal Infection - He is not passing any white poo
3. Stomach is not bloated...
4. Immediately after food, the dark stripes come in, remains for some
time and then disappear..
Does he have a internal blockage???
<Doubtful>
One point wanted to mention here -- The bottom edges of his tank is
covered with some kind of a yellow/white film which I thought was water
mark on silicon gel..The fellow who prepared this tank had actually
emptied 1 full silicon gun on my repeated warnings of leak...
<... When was this done? What sort of Silicon/Silastic was used? Some
has mildewcide in it... for window use... is toxic. Could be at fault
here>
This yellow/white kind of things keeps coming out from those edges,
specially when i change water or when there is a turbulence... some part
gets sucked by the canister, some again settles in the bottom...
Since yesterday I am also observing the same kind of this thing is
hanging from this dorsal fin.. ?? Is he also having an fungal
infection?? This is a new symptom came out of no where
Some ideas friends --- I am fearing, that I should not be late in
corrections.. he still has appetite for food... if he looses that, then
the damage would be done already...
Regards
Nimo
<Do get hold of the Silicon cartridge, read what the intended use is.
Bob Fenner>
Re: PLSS HELP - Something wrong with my Flowerhorn - Unable
to diagnose Lernaea? 9/10/09
Hi Bob,
<Subhankar>
First of all thanks for stepping in to help me out
<Sure>
Update on the situation...
Yesterday I had first roller coaster ride in my 10 yrs of hobby..
The diagnosis was wrong..
I observed him sulking in a corner in a slanting position.. I observed
him lethargic, I observed him turning dark in color.. so the first idea
which anyone gets is an internal stomach problem...
But the confusion was
1. He had the usual appetite
2. His stomach was not bloated
3. He was passing poo normal in color
Tuesday (8th September 2009)
Evening - I observed whenever he sulks, he sulks in the same position in
whichever corner of the tank he chooses... He sits in a posture where
both his pelvic fins are covered in the ground, I also observed that he
has a very mild movement pattern sitting in the same position, as if
swinging like a pendulum...
I observed he had two red scars in his pelvic fin and a pure white
thread like structure 1 inch in length hanging from both the scars -
Worst part is that thread has a sac like structure or a ball at the
end....
Wednesday (9th September 2009)
Morning - Saw the thread like structure has disintegrated from one of
the scars, one still has a reminent, very small in size..
Three new white pimple like structure arrived on his tail.. they were
new... looks like some kind of a white pimple...
Afternoon - My all doubts were Anchor worm, ...
<Ahh! A too-common parasite for pond-raised fishes, or kept with, fed
fishes from...>
I had seen this before with one of my friend's goldies, So i knew how
does an Anchor worm look like so, at the same time was not aware of what
is the commercially available medicine, whether will get it in shorter
time.. from anywhere..
He was always sitting in bottom, in a posture, which used to cover both
of his scars.. and he used to move some time to and fro as if rubbing
those scars...
Decided to go for KMNO4 (PP) treatment..
<Mmm, not for Lernaea... Better the organophosphate route... DTHP or
Dimilin... Please read here re:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/anchorwrmfaqs.htm
and the linked files above. You will need to extract/remove the adults
on the fish itself with tweezers>
Had a 23 litres tank - dosage of 10mg/litre of PP, prepared a PP
concentrated solution (25 mg in 500 ml of distilled water) and had put 5
ml of that in the 23 litres tank resulting in 230 mg of PP...
<Potassium permanganate is too strong an oxidizer for "casual use"...
too easy to serious burn fishes>
Transferred the FH into that tank, and allowed him to be there for 20
minutes with heavy aeration...
By god's grace he took the treatment well.. he was swimming.. all
through the treatment... there was heavy bubbling inside the tank.. the
clean water of PP was filled up with very small disintegrated
particles....
After 20 minutes took him out to a freshwater tub...
Cleaned his hospital tank thoroughly, filled - refilled twice,, and had
put him back again....in his small hospital bed
<Good>
Then came the easy but the most tedious part.. had to again disinfect
his 300 litres tank with KMNO4... this time did not measured the KMNO4
amount.. just poured it liberally in the tank with all decors inside...
allowed the tank to sit for 30 minutes.. with PP solution...
<Yikes... stains most all. I would have used hypochlorite/chlorine
bleach... Per the protocol detailed on WWM>
Then cleaned all his decor, refilled and cleaned 300 lites twice, till i
was sure not a trace of KMNO4 was visible... poured it up with water,
dechlorinator, salt started heavy aeration for 4 hours.. then
transferred him back to his main home..
Immly he became white, all colors gone.. fed him two pellets, switched
off the lights,
Thursday (10 th September) - today morning
Colors got back to normal...he ate pellets, active than before but still
relatively lethargic..
<But... did you remove the adult Anchorworms/Crustaceans from the fish?>
Out of 5 pimples, 2 have vanished, 1 still exists, remaining 2 has very
slight traces.. I am just hoping, that those are dead by now and would
vanish in 2 - 3 days time..
I will be keeping a close watch on him...
Now the million dollar question i have, is how did this thing entered in
my tank..
On last Sunday (30th Sep) - I did a major cleaning of both of my 4 feet
tanks.. Till now i do not see anything to my Malawi Setup.. but the FH
got affected..
I had kept him in a very good condition - I know difficult to believe,
but people who have seen him as regarded my tank as one of most clean
ones..
but still ...
I just hope that I am done.. and these remaining small spores would go
away with Salt and temperature and I do not have to treat him with PP
once again...
Had to do this, because these damn freaks were sucking all that I was
feeding him...
Just hope he pulls through...
<Me too>
Regards
Subhankar
<Thank you for sharing your experiences... observations and reactions.
Bob Fenner>
Dalmatian Molly, dis.; was: platies 8/27/09
Thank you again. I have another quick question about my Dalmatian molly.
She is about 2 months old or so and has developed this whisker like
thing on her "nose". It looks stiff and about 1/8 in. long or so it
actually splits into 2 but comes from one spot on top of her "nose "
area. Is this
something to worry about - a parasite or just an abnormal growth.
<More than likely dead skin, and as such, a possible precursor to
Finrot.
In the case of Mollies, the number-1 cause of such problems is keeping
them in the wrong environmental conditions. Mollies do best in hard,
basic water with a little marine salt mix added, around 3-6 grammes per
litre being ideal. Marine salt mix (as opposed to the largely useless
"livebearer salt", "tonic salt", or "aquarium salt" on sale) contains
not just salt but also minerals that harden the water and raise the pH.
The overall effect is to create slightly brackish conditions that suit
Mollies extremely well.
Whilst Mollies are found in freshwater habitats for the most part in the
wild, and less often in brackish and marine habitats, for whatever
reason, they do best in saline conditions when kept in captivity. There
are several explanations about this, but the most probable answers are
to do with the stable basic pH and the reduced toxicity of nitrite and
nitrate in salty rather than freshwater conditions. If you read through
our Molly disease FAQs, you'll see this issue comes up again and again,
and the only explanation can be that people buy them before reading any
books first: practically every aquarium book written since the dawn of
time has stated clearly that Mollies prefer slightly salty conditions.
Anyway, my advice would be to add marine salt mix (e.g., Instant Ocean,
or whatever generic marine salt mix brand your pet store sells) at the
dose suggested above.
Other livebearers won't mind this, and in fact are likely to be
healthier, particularly Guppies, though Platies and Swordtails aren't
from brackish water habitats and won't appreciate the addition of marine
salt mix above 6 grammes/litre. At this dose, you'll find using marine
salt mix very economical: you're using about a sixth the amount used in
marine tanks, so a box suitable for 20 gallons of marine strength salt
water will make 120 gallons of water for a Molly aquarium. Most hard
water tolerant plants will adapt fine, but most freshwater fish will
not, but then, as is clearly stated on WWM numerous times as well as in
practically every aquarium book ever written, you don't keep Mollies in
community tanks. They aren't community fish, and never have been. The
fact they often need saline conditions simply makes them untenable for
such systems, though they work brilliantly well in livebearer, brackish
water, and even marine community
tanks. I'd even argue that Mollies are such beautiful fish, and in the
cases of Sailfin Mollies, so very large when properly cared for, that
they amply deserve a tank all their own.>
She eats and acts fine with no other signs of distress. Thanks for your
time. Donna
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Dalmatian Molly; was: platies. Dis., Lernaea?
8/29/2009
Hi Neale,
I found that not only does the molly have this thing but one of the baby
platies has one hanging from it's bottom. I thought it was feces. At
closer observation it looks like a Y comes from one spot and splits to a
y
shape. I have gotten the salt - should I just continue with that and
nothing else? I also had the water tested and it is fine. Again thanks
for the input to a very novice aquarist.
Donna
<Donna, the shape is *strongly* suggestive of something like an external
crustacean parasite. Google "anchor worms", "Argulus", and "fish louse"
to see what you get. In general, these are best removed by [a] dipping
the fish in a seawater solution (35 grammes non-iodised salt added to a
litre of aquarium water) and then [b] forceps used to gently pull the
parasite off. Maintaining the aquarium at SG 1.003 to 1.005 (6 to 9
grammes marine salt mix or tonic salt per litre) should also do the
trick. If you're maintaining the tank as a brackish water aquarium, then
raising the salinity using marine salt mix should shift the parasites,
but if it
doesn't, then use forceps. Grip the parasite as closely as possible to
the fish's body, holding the fish firmly without squeezing. Don't rush!
If you dip the fish in seawater for one to twenty minutes, the parasite
should
weaken, making this easier. Clean the wound with antiseptic (something
like a dab of iodine or even Melafix) when done. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Dalmatian Molly; was: platies, Lernaea 8/28/2009
Hi Neale
Yup that's exactly what it looks like when I Googled it.
<Very good.>
My concern is actually removing the thing. I'm nervous about taking the
fish out and hurting it.
<May well "hurt" as you pull the thing out, but much less dangerous (or
painful) than the constant sucking of blood.>
Is there anything special I need to do, do I just hold it in between my
fingers?
<Not fingers; must be forceps, or something similar, like tweezers. Have
you ever removed a tick from a dog? Not dissimilar; must remove whole
thing, including mouthparts, taking care not to snap the body in two and
so allow secondary infections. Your aquarium shop may sell certain
Anchor Worm specific medications, e.g., Anchors Away, but these are
often fairly toxic in themselves, and can harm sensitive fish (e.g.,
Loaches, Catfish) as well as invertebrates (snails, shrimps). They
aren't always effective, either.>
I have the Melafix also - do I just apply only once after pulling it out
or do I repeat that until the wound heals - or should I just add the
Melafix to the tank after wards also. I do also have the stress coat
stuff to add
to the tank for the slime - is that also suggested?
<I'd dab a little neat Melafix with a Q-tip onto the wound, and then
dose the tank as suggested by the instructions. Stress Coat shouldn't be
required, and in fact I recommend against mixing two or medications
unless you know it is safe to do so.>
I was hoping that with the salt treatment it would fall off but of
course it did not.
<How much salt did you add? At one extreme, if you transferred Mollies
to a marine aquarium (or similar added 35 grammes marine salt mix/litre
water) the Anchor Worms would quickly die. In a freshwater tank you can
add up to a specific gravity of 1.005, or 9 grammes salt per litre,
which should certainly weaken the parasites without harming
salt-tolerant fish like Platies as well as Mollies. Of course,
non-salt-tolerant fish may not accept such conditions for long.>
My other question is do I have to do anything else to ensure that the
anchor worm is gone from the tank?
<There's no 100% reliable way, but usually removing the worms you see,
and if any others occur afterwards, removing those, breaks the cycle.>
A 25% water change I'm guessing.
<Won't do much of anything against Anchor Worms, since these are
attached to fish, not swimming about.>
Also is there anything I need else I need to do to ensure recovery of
the fish?
<Usually the fish recover very well.>
I know nothing is "for sure" but I want to give it as good of a shot as
possible. We haven't added any new fish - besides the babies - in quite
some time I'm wondering how this parasite got in.
<Typically, Anchor Worms breed in ponds, and in the case of livebearing
fish, this would have been outdoors on a farm in Florida or wherever.>
Any ideas on how not to get a re infestation?
<Observe new fish carefully, quarantine them, and if you see Anchor
Worms, remove them before placing them in the main aquarium. Anchor
Worms are actually pretty rare among aquarium fish, though they are more
common on pond fish.>
Sorry for sooo many questions but as I've said I feel there is no better
site than yours and trust everything you suggestion. Again thank you for
your time and patience.
Donna
<Happy to help. Good luck, Neale.>
Re: Dalmatian Molly; was: platies, Lernaea 8/30/2009
Hello again Neale,
<He's marked "out till Tues.>
I added the salt as per the recommendation on the bag. Just to make it
slightly brackish for the molly. We have all platies except for the one
molly who we've had as a fry and who just appeared in our tank one day.
We had an adult who had passed a while before hand due to ick but must
have been pregnant. Anyway 2 adult platies, 2 platy babies ,one baby
molly and a clown Pleco in a 29 gallon tank. All but one baby platy has
an anchor worm. I will try removing the ones I see and let you know.
<Do take care here, with their extraction... the adults' removal
can/does cause a great to mortal amount of damage. Read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/anchorwrmfaqs.htm
and the linked files above; particularly re the use of organophosphates>
But as I stated before a bit worried about doing that. I was wondering
how to hold the fish actually - with my fingers or laying him out on the
net?
<The net>
Will this just stress them out?
<Will>
As you can tell a really new fish hobby. But if I don't ask I won't
learn!
I really appreciate your time. I'm just wondering if the anchor worm has
eggs and more develop - that was the reason I questioned about doing the
water change.
Again thanks Donna
<My sis' name... whom I'm moving an armoire with currently. Bob Fenner>
Re: Dalmatian Molly; was: platies 8/30/2009
Thanks Bob,
texting and moving an armoire at the same time - nice multi-tasking!
Donna
<Donna, Bob, just wasting time at CVG airport. Thanks for taking the
time to answer this query, Bob. Donna, yes, removing lice is tricky but
not difficult, and dipping in saltwater, as mentioned earlier, weakens
the crustacean sufficiently that removal isn't hard. Will bow to Bob's
better knowledge of organophosphate insecticides for treatment, but my
understanding is that these have reduced/zero impact on "attached" lice.
It
is telling that much research in aquaculture is towards "manual" removal
via cleaner organisms; in the UK, the favoured "cleaner fish" on salmon
farms being juvenile wrasse, analogous to cleaner wrasse behaviour in
the tropics. Cheers, Neale.>
medication, Lernaea
Hi crew, a quick question about medicating my tank. I had medicated it
for anchor worm - which didn't work
<... doesn't work on embedded adults>
so now onto pulling them out manually, but replaced the filter to get
the medicine out. How long is this process because after I attempt to
remove the anchor worms I was told to apple Melafix
<... no>
on the spots and treat tank with the Melafix for about a week. If I do
that I have to take the carbon out of the filter. So I want to make sure
all the medication is out first. Thanks for any input. D
<Depending on the quality of the carbon employed, the amount, volume of
the tank, circulation through it... a few hours. BobF>
Re: Dalmatian Molly; was: platies, Lernaea
9/1/2009
Hi crew,
I removed the anchor worms with tweezers but not really sure if the head
came with it.
<Is distinctive...>
I tried my hardest to get the fish still but of course one jumped as I
was pulling and not sure if the whole thing came out. The anchor worms
were all in uneasy areas (right next to fins and one by the mouth) and
hope I didn't harm the fish, they are very hard to distinguish between
when they are out of the tank everything is so translucent. They all
seem shaken by the ordeal as I am also. If I didn't successfully remove
the head can I say these fish will eventually die?
<Mmm, no; not necessarily>
I used the Melafix on them and am treating the tank with it also. Now
just wait and see? I'm so upset by this whole endeavor. What else needs
to be done? Thanks for your time and patience - kind regards Donna
<When, where in doubt, keep reading. B>
Re: Dalmatian Molly; was: platies, Lernaea 9/1/2009
Hello AGAIN,
I'm glad to hear that they may not die, I last spoke with Neale who
suggested using the Melafix after wards is this a sufficient tonic for
recovery.
<Ah, no, perhaps I wasn't clear. It is standard practise after
physically removing Anchor Worms and other "skin biting" parasites to
dab the wound with an antiseptic such as iodine. If you have Melafix,
then this might be used in the same way, as a topical antiseptic, or
perhaps added to the water to reduce the chances of secondary infection.
In and of itself, Melafix won't cure Anchor Worms, and as Bob is
intimating, Melafix isn't altogether reliable, and you may still find
the wounds become sites of secondary infection, in which case an
appropriate anti-bacterial or anti-fungal would be used.>
Is there a different solution? I got a different answer from Bob.
Needless to say they are tight finned right now and not looking happy. I
had put some Cycle in this morning - suppose to help with fish loss?
Anyway I'll heed any info you throw at me. Have read all the FAQs about
the anchor fish on your site but will take any other info if you have.
Again thanks for your knowledge sharing! Donna
<Physically removing parasites from fish shouldn't cause undue stress,
<<!? Lernaea extraction I've seen cause outright death... being netted,
handled, having a large (%) mass removed from the body, bleeding...
RMF>>
and usually they recover quite rapidly from the stress of being removed
from the tank and handled. The chances of secondary infection aren't
great, but it does happen, hence the need to keep your eyes open for
signs of bacterial or fungal growth. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Dalmatian Molly; was: platies 9/1/2009
Hi thanks again, I see that most of the fish are back to normal from
being on the bottom to up and swimming around and eating.
<Good.>
One in particular is swimming about at the top head up tail down
clenched fins. Should I be worried.
<Yes, particularly if it doesn't show signs of improving over the next
day or so.>
And lastly should I continue for the recommended 7 days with the Melafix
in the tank or should I use the Cycle instead or along with the Melafix?
<Don't Melafix and Cycle do different things? Nutrafin Cycle is a
largely useless product that is supposed to improve the performance of
biological filters and (supposedly) speeds up the rate at which new
filters become colonised by bacteria. I'd be surprised if it did much of
either, frankly, but I'm sure of the many ways to spend money, it's
among the more harmless.
So if you want to use it, go ahead, but it isn't going to make your fish
healthier or a properly maintained and mature filter any better. Melafix
is a tea-tree oil solution that has mild anti-bacterial and anti-fungal
properties. Some aquarists swear by it, but others, including Bob, are
much more critical. I can certainly report that many aquarists who have
used Melafix still go on to have bacteria or fungal problems, so at
best, it's an unreliable "cure".>
cheers to you! Donna
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Dalmatian Molly; was: platies 9/1/2009
Ok cool I'll just use the Melafix - you know I'll always listen to you
guys rather than the supposed fish experts at the LFS.
<I'm glad we can help.>
What should I do about the one I should be worried about - she's eating
(a little) but no signs of anything on her body just the hanging out at
the top and tail down.
<Is this a Molly or a Platy? With Mollies, fin-clamping is a common
symptom of stress, sometimes to do with water chemistry or water
quality, but sometimes because they're too cold. Oddly, while Mollies
are subtropical to tropical fish in the wild, with a very broad
temperature tolerance (they live as far north as the Carolinas in the
US) the tank-bred forms need really warm conditions to do well, quite a
bit warmer than the average community fish. So whereas Platies thrive
best around 24 C/75 F, Mollies are usually better kept a bit warmer,
around 26-28 C/79-82 F.>
The one and only male is definitely feeling better because he's
"courting" her again and bothering her to no end.
<Clumps of floating plants will help.>
Didn't take long for him to be up and running.
<Indeed! Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Dalmatian Molly; was: platies... Lernaea f' 9/5/09
Hello,
I'm at a loss again they seem to be making a turn for the worst -
hanging at the bottom and when they do come up for food their heads are
up tails down. But they are eating. Any advice on what to do?
<Keep checking water quality, being observant>
Not sure of what's wrong. There are no visible sign of anything physical
just that I extracted the anchor worms so could that be the problem?
They are flashing on things too. Thanks for any advice. Donna
<Maybe. RMF>
Anchor worms and quarantine 6/4/09
Hi
<Hello,>
I've poked around on the web, but haven't found anything that can answer
my question. On Monday I bought 2 new goldfish, a calico fantail (3cm)
and a orange-and-white fantail (4cm), to add to my 10 gallon with a 6cm
fantail (upgrading to 60gal at the end of the month).
<Glad to hear you upgrading this tank! Ten gallons isn't nearly enough
for three Goldfish.>
I've had that fantail for a year and a half, with no problems. This
morning (Thursday) I noticed that there are thin string-like things on
the tips of the white-and-orange fantail's tail, he also has a scale
that is dark (looks like a wound) that I noticed when I bought him home.
<Now, there are three things to think about here. The first is some type
of external parasite like Anchor Worm, just as you suggest. But the two
other things to consider are Finrot and Fungus. Finrot erodes fin
tissue, leaving behind what we call fin rays (the bones) until these
snap off. It's actually very common for Finrot to take the appearance of
receding fins and trailing fin rays. Fungus is characterized by the
presence of the hyphae that make up the "body" of the fungus, and these
look like cotton wool threads. They can, in some instances, be quite
long, over 1 cm. So that's another thing to think about. Both Finrot and
Fungus are latent in all aquaria, even well maintained ones, since the
bacteria and fungi responsible normally do good work breaking down waste
materials.
Consequently they have the potential to come out of nowhere when
conditions turn bad in the aquarium. Anchor Worm, and indeed most of the
other large external parasites, have complex life cycles that cannot be
completed in aquaria. They only really become problems in ponds, and
because Goldfish are farmed in ponds, it's newly imported fish that are
likely to carry them. Once exterminated, Anchor Worms rarely turn up in
aquaria ever again.>
I've done some reading about Anchorworms and I've decided to quarantine
him, because he doesn't seem to have any other wounds where the worms
could've reproduced. Should I keep him in quarantine and treat him, or
should I treat the main tank?
<Quarantine, treat and observe the fish until you are happy he is no
longer infected. Free living parasites could potentially hitchhike from
the quarantine tank to the display tank via buckets, nets, etc. so take
care to
isolate the two tanks as fully as possible. Disinfect buckets, nets,
etc. using a strong brine solution (50 g/litre cooking salt should do
the trick). Anchor Worms are normally treated using organophosphate
insecticides to kill the free living stages, with the adults ideally
removed by hand. This is fairly tricky to do, but worthwhile if the
insecticide isn't killing the adults quickly. Place the goldfish in a
waterlogged towel, wrap the fish securely to hold it firmly, and then
pull away the adult Anchor Worm using forceps from its head, NOT it's
tail (it's a lot like removing ticks from dogs, if you've ever done
that). Dab the wound with some sort of antiseptic such as mercurochrome,
iodine, tea-tree oil, etc. It would be a very good idea to use something
like tea-tree oil proactively in the aquarium once you're finished to
prevent secondary infection, though if only the tail fins are affected,
the risk of trouble is very small. You may decide to dip the Goldfish in
seawater for a few minutes prior to manual removal of the parasites;
although this won't cause serious harm to the Goldfish, and doesn't kill
the parasite, it does weaken the parasite, making it easier to remove
them. Make up seawater using 35 g per litre non-iodised cooking salt or
aquarium salt; don't use regular
marine aquarium mix because that raises the pH and hardness, which won't
be appreciated by the Goldfish. Dip the fish using a net, and leave for
several minutes, potentially 15 minutes, but remove the fish at once if
it
shows signs of distress such as rolling over. You can now pull of the
Anchor Worms a bit more easily than otherwise. After a couple of weeks,
if there's no sign of any more parasites on the fish, and you've
finished the treatment of insecticide, you can then move the Goldfish
into the display tank.>
I know this isn't fin rot, there is nothing else wrong with his fins or
with him, he's eating and swimming....
Thanks for your time!
Nadine (South Africa)
<Hope this helps, Neale.>
Anchor worm and platy fry 12/30/08
Good evening, <Hi,> I'm new to the hobby and about a month ago I
introduced a female wagtail platy into my cycled tank. Little did I know, I soon
had a brood of fry :) Wanting to ensure the safety of the fry and it being a
well planted tank, I moved the mother to another tank. <Floating plants the
way to go with these livebearers; instinctively the fry seek shelter in the
leaves/roots of floating plants, and it's easy to see them there and scoop them
out. The fine roots of species such as Limnobium trap algae and organic
detritus, providing lots of good "grazing" for Platies, both newborn and adult.>
A few days later, in the fry tank, I noticed small crustaceans which I first
thought we daphnia--either way the fry were happily eating them! After a lot
of reading on my new hobby, I spotted a male adult anchor worm in the tank
today. Needless to say, I removed the little b*****! <Are you sure it's an
Anchor Worm? Actually NOT AT ALL common in aquaria, and while can be introduced
on live food collected from a garden pond, unlikely to come from farmed Daphnia
bought in a reputable pet store. Because Anchor Worms need intermediate
hosts to complete their life cycle, they die off eventually in aquaria, rarely
reaching population sizes large enough to do any serious harm.> I've seen
spotted a couple of adult female anchor worms in there and they have gotten the
same treatment.. My question is with the platy fry being about two weeks old and
only about 4 millimeters (excluding tail) can the anchor worms do any damage or
should I treat the tank or move the fry to another tank? <In theory at least,
Anchor Worms can harm any fish, in part as parasites themselves, but more
seriously by creating wounds that can become infected. But I honestly don't
believe this is the issue here. Portions of live food from the pet store may
contain other crustaceans alongside Daphnia, some of which might be mistaken for
Anchor Worms. They're difficult to treat without recourse to insecticides
such as metriphonate, but in an aquarium, the cycle is broken anyway, so there
shouldn't be a long term problem.> Thanks for a great web site and, of
course, any help, Sam <Cheers, Neale.>
Goldfish Parasite 11/07/08
Hello crew. Recently I looked at my goldfish and noticed sort of a white thing
sticking out of his skin. It looks sort of like a pimple. I researched, but I
could not find a picture that looked like the parasite on my fish. Can it be
some type of anchor worm? Are there many different species, because this
parasite does not look exactly like the pictures online. For example, it does
not have a forked tail. What should I do? Pull it off? In the meantime, I dosed
the tank with a 0.3% concentration of salt. Hopefully it will kill the parasite.
Thanks.
<Greetings. Anchor worms are very distinctive, and obviously look like small
black anchors stuck to the body of the fish. They're pretty uncommon in aquaria,
and are more of a pond thing. Anyway, fish can get "pimples" for all kinds of
reasons. Goldfish have spawning tubercles on the face when sexually mature, and
many aquarists mistake these for parasites. Small wounds cause by rough objects
in the tank or careless handling can develop into little blisters. These usually
go away by themselves, but treating for Finrot/Fungus proactively isn't a bad
idea. Whitespot and Velvet both form white cysts on the skin. Dead skin looks
like white fragments; Finrot looks similar but with red inflammation, while
Fungus looks like white cotton threads. There are also things called Fish Lice
(Argulus) that may be observed as round, off-white parasites on the skin. These
are also a pond rather than aquarium problem most of the time. In other words,
without a better description or a sharp photograph, we can't diagnose the
problem.
I've listed the more probable explanations here: now spend some time researching
each of them to diagnose the problem yourself. Cheers, Neale.>
Anchor worms on Rainbowfish,
reading 8/9/08
Hello WWM Crew! You are the best! After finally getting our 20 gallon tank
established and balanced - got rid of Planaria problem after being
educated about overfeeding habit - we decided it was safe to
introduce 2 Turquoise Rainbowfish to our community - 3 Emperor
Tetras, 3 Scissortail Rasboras, 1 Swordtail and 2 Mystery Snails
that I would like to get rid of, but my daughter loves them - and no
one in Orlando sells Nerites. We also have 1 surviving Gourami
hatchling (3 wks old and a little bigger than 1 cm > now) in a
breeder net being fed baby brine shrimp that we hatch ourselves.
(Parents are off to a new home after spawning). Thought I was safe
getting the Rainbows from my local reputable LFS, so sadly did not
quarantine - and lo and behold - Rainbow 1 has a big fat anchor worm
(almost 1 cm long) just below his dorsal fin near his tail, also has
a little wispy white fuzz on his mouth. Rainbow 2 has slight fuzzy
mouth as well. I checked your site and others pretty thoroughly and
am confident this is really an anchor worm. Not sure what's on the
mouth though. Picked up Clout today - have no hospital tank, so
treated entire tank with Clout this evening
<Need to remove the adult Anchorworm (with tweezers) and the snails>
- per instructions - and will pray for the best. Question, after
treatment is complete - and IF I am successful in getting rid of the
parasite(s), would you recommend a complete teardown of the tank to
clean the substrate as well?
<Mmm, no>
Or is the Clout treatment sufficient?
<Can be>
I would hate to have a reinfection.
<Actually, reinfestation>
The tank is well planted and I read on WWM, that I can dip the
plants in alum and water. Do I rinse in clean de-chlorinated water
again before re- planting, or just straight from alum dip back into
tank.
<I would not dip/bath the plants in alum...>
Also - would a complete teardown require re-cycling the tank before
re-introducing
<Depending on how thoroughly the tank, contents were sterilized.
Again, I would not take the tank down...>
the fish, or is the filter biomedia safe once treated with the Clout
in the system?
<Safe? "It" is largely unaffected by the ingredients>
Just learned you have written 2 books on marine aquaria - will you
writing one for freshwater enthusiasts as well?
<Mmm, have done... parts/most all of which is "in articles" that are
WWM in part...>
Thanks again in advance for your help that is always spot on! Sandy
<Please do read (again?) here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/anchorwrmfaqs.htm
Again, adult Lernaeids must be physically removed... the
organophosphate will NOT treat/kill them on the fish... the Mystery
Snails must be removed during treatment... Bob Fenner>
More help needed please Re: Anchor worms on Rainbowfish 8/9/08
Today:
Rainbow 1 - the main part of the Anchor Worm has fallen off, but
small trails remain.
<So?>
Rainbow 2 developed a smaller anchor worm extension, which is now
gone. Mild fluff remains on both mouths - is this Ich, or something
to do with the Anchor Worms? Is it treatable with Clout as well?
<... not likely>
Since the anchor worm is still partially in the fish - I will
attempt to remove and apply mercurochrome as well -
<Ahh!>
should I administer a second dose and if so, how much longer can I
safely use the CLOUT to ensure eradication?
<Is posted on the package...>
If so, I plan to do partial 25-30% water change and then add second
dose according to package instructions.
<Good>
After much reading, I have learned that there are probably anchor
worm eggs throughout my tank now and that Clout will not kill the
eggs.
<Correct>
How do I get rid of this problem for good?
<Keep reading>
I saw your link about DTHP, but that was for use in a pond. How can
I use it in a small 20 gallon aquarium safely?
<Mmm... you are using it... more reading>
ALSO NOW - I noticed one mystery snail slowing down today.
<... what is going on? Oh... not enough reading>
I removed both after reading your reply.
<Ah, good>
Thanks. I put them in a bag to acclimate them to the other tank when
I noticed what I think are small black parasites on the fleshy part
of one snail and some in the water in the bag - about a dozen. They
are smooth, narrow and elongated about 2-3mm long each and less than
1 mm wide. I noticed some at the top of the gravel as well. What can
this be and what do I need to do about it?
>Nada...<
So now they are in a bucket with clean tank water from another tank
until further notice.
I specifically asked my "expert" at the LFS if Clout was safe for
the snails, - he said yes. I will have to find a new LFS.
<Blame the act not the child>
Besides the Rainbowfish, all others are healthy - so far - but I
assume I have to treat as if they have also been infected/infested -
correct?
<You've treated the system...>
Would it be wise to add Aquarium salt as a therapeutic measure for
the rainbowfish right now?
<No wisdom; no>
What about the water temp? Would it help to elevate the temp or not?
Temp is usually in the 78-79 degree F range.
<Ditto>
Off to get mercurochrome and wait for your reply.
Thanks again ever so much.
Sandy
<Bob>
Final update with question Re:
More help needed please Re: Anchor worms on Rainbowfish 8/10/08
I did TRY to get any remaining parts of the anchor worm out, but
it was too limp to grasp even with tweezers. I ended up grabbing a
scale and thought it best to stop there. It seems a bit more firm
today, so I will try one more time.
<Mmm, likely no to not enough need/use in such trying... if dead,
the adult will simply dissolve...>
After reading some more and watching the snails in the bucket, I
think what I saw was actually just copious snail waste - I hope so.
<Likely so>
Both Rainbows seem to be on the mend. They seem to be swimming less
erratically now, and the others seem no worse for wear. Will stop
the treatment today and insert new carbon into filter. Will do
several water changes every few days over the next few weeks. I read
that because of the anchor worm life cycle, I need to watch closely
over the next few weeks to see if they come back - and that they
probably will - and then will have to treat with Clout again.
<Yes>
I also came across this:
http://www.zamzows.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1688&newsType=ArticleView&articleId=659
I assume Clout does not contain Dimilin, or else it would state that
it would also interrupt the life cycle.
<... Please... stop just speculating... The contents of this AP
product are posted:
http://www.aq-products.com/MSDSsheets/Regular%20Line%20MSDS/CLOUT%20%20CL%20%20ISSUE%201%20.doc
Avail yourself of what is pertinent, useful... Wishing you and your
livestock well, BobF> |
Salt- Koi- Goldfish... and Anchorworm
evidently 8/5/08
Dear WetWeb Crew, Could someone there tell me the correct amount of salt
to use for medicinal purposes-salt bathes. My Koi and Gold fish have a
parasite on them. It looks like a barb or needle sticking out of the base of
the dorsal fin. Also how long should I leave them in the salt solution. I
would greatly appreciate your help. Thanks for your time. John.
<The following is a table modified from "The Interpet Manual of Fish
Health", a useful little book:
---
0.1% (1 gramme per litre): General additive for livebearers or in tanks
where fish show physical damage (i.e., lesions, fin damage). Use in the
aquarium.
0.3% (3 g/l): Reduces nitrite toxicity or to treat physical damage. Use in
the aquarium.
0.3-0.5% (3-5 g/l): To control Hydra. Use in the aquarium for no more than 5
to 7 days, then change water to gradually reduce salinity.
1% (10 g/l): To treat ulcer disease on coldwater fish. Acclimate fish
gradually and then reduce salinity gradually once fish are cured.
2-3% (20-30 g/l): To remove leeches from pond fish. Use as a bath, with fish
put into bath for 15-30 minute dips.
---
In you case, it sounds like you have leeches or anchor worm. Salt dips will
certainly deal with leeches, but anchor worms will need a specific treatment
of some sort. Salt won't help because the free-living stages are in the
water column, so even if the adults are killed, another generation of anchor
worms will find their way onto your fish. See here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/contrpdparasit.htm
Your local pond supplier may well have a variety of other treatments
available.
Cheers, Neale.>
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sick orander - stick like threads sticking out of bodies... Mis-stocked,
uncycled Goldfish system of too small size, Anchorworms 4/19/08
Hi, Firstly apologies if there is info on your site about this. I have
scoured Google and your site for many hours and finding nothing that sounded
like this, I finally decided I need to ask for direct help!
About 4 and a half weeks ago we bought a 15 gallon cold water tank, under gravel
filter, pump, gravel, and live plants as a present for our 4 year old son to
start having his first pet. Before buying it we went to the pet store and asked
advice about what we could have in it, how long we needed to run the tank before
introducing the fish, which ones could go together etc etc. They recommended two
small Oranders
<Orandas, fancy goldfish... will need more room than this...>
and said the tank needed to run for at least 48 hours before introducing the
fish.
<Uhh, no... more time... to cycle... read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/gldfshsystems.htm>
We let it run for 72 hours, floated the bag with the fish for 20 minutes and so
our journey began.
'Goldie' and 'Parp' (he's a four year old boy - what do you expect him to call
them?!) appeared happy at first but on day three we became concerned about
Goldie 'she' was listless and hanging at the top of the water but not gasping.
The shop suggested she may be stressed by the change and recommended a tonic
containing Bronopol, Copper EDTA, Formaldehyde and silver Proteinate.
<... a very poor idea>
By the next day she was much happier as were we.
Two days later (5 days after fish introduced) we noticed Goldie's tail and 1 or
her fins were ragged and disappearing, we then saw Parp nipping at her. We
researched on line and many sites said this can happen with a new tank and it
should settle down.
<Mmm, no. Most often fish's die from such treatment>
She also appeared to have a white thin thread coming from her side. We spoke to
the store the next day who said it may have been that she had fin rot and parp
was trying to make her better and to try Phenoxyethanol.
<...>
She improved greatly, the thread dropped off and all was well until the water
began to cloud (about day 6). We did 10% water change we had been told to do,
using a gravel vac and the next morning the water was very cloudy.
<... ammonia, nitrite?>
My husband went to the store and they recommended bringing in a sample the next
day. By the time we got home the store was closed, we could hardly see the fish
and they were gasping at the top of the water. Again we turned to the internet
and were recommended a 50^% water change with the suggestion it was bacterial
bloom. The fish settled down, although the water didn't.
<Cycling...>
Back at the store the next day they tested the water and the test went bright
purple - they said we needed to bring down the PH. They said the problem may
have been from using two treatments with less than a 7 day gap (as the last
store had advised us to do!) They said not to change anything that day as we had
changed so much water already, and do a 20% change the next day, then two days
later take back another sample.
After the 20% change, the water really cleared and all appeared to be improving
- until!!! - the stick/thread like things appeared again, this time out of both
of the fish.
<Anchorworms... Lernaea... Read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/anchorwrmfaqs.htm>
The shop said the water level was much improved, ammonia was up a bit but not
vastly (they didn't give me numbers)
<Any amount present is toxic>
and another water change two days later and reduced feeding should sort that.
<Ah, no>
They also tried to contact their suppliers to see if they had any idea what the
attachments could be.
<Ditch this store>
We reduced feeding to once every two days on advice but now one is hanging at
the top, one sitting on the bottom, or occasionally hanging almost vertically
mid tank and we don't know what else to do or where else to go for help. I have
tried desperately to get pictures, but am obviously not meant to be an animal
photographer. The attachments are about 1 cm long and then at the end are split
in two.
The are essentially white, although one or two have become a little darker
tonight.
<Good description... these are crustacean parasites...>
They don't appear to move at all but are just like little sticks. Parp has one
at the base of 'his' tale but that has now developed a white fluffy area at the
bottom of it. PLEASE can you help? I just don't know how to help them.
Thanks for your time
Erica (and more importantly Goldie and Parp)
<Please read where you were referred to above and here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwestcycling.htm
and the linked files above. You have made a few simple though drastic errors...
as you will soon realize... the means to possibly fix them will be detailed in
the reading. Bob Fenner>
Re: sick orander - stick like threads
sticking out of bodies 4/22/08
thank you for your help. Your advice was really useful - feel like we have
been trying to be really responsible and get advice, but now find it was bad
advice - unfortunately it is the fish that suffer.
<Yes>
Sadly Goldie died yesterday, but she had become very ill. Parp seems to be
beginning to recover, so we are crossing our fingers we can get through this bit
to get him steady and once again a happy fish. Still concerned over the cloudy
water, but following the advice from the links you sent and crossing our
fingers.
Thanks again
Erica
<Welcome. BobF>
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Goldfish
developing lumps in fin and red sores on body - Urgent help needed!
-04/11/08
Hi,
Thanks for maintaining this wonderful site, it really has tons of useful
info.
<Welcome and sorry for the delay in reply here...>
My two new goldfish have a problem and I am unable to diagnose even
after going through the diseases FAQs, could you please help?
<Yes... have looked at your pix and have a good/high confidence re the
root cause and cure here>
My tank is 90 gallons and there are 5 fish in it - 2 Orandas (Lionheads
I think) which are about 4 inches long (body only), 2 baby Ranchus (2
inches long) and 1 Pleco (5 inches long and I will soon remove it).
<Mmm, I keep Hypostomus... one of the "medium size species" Plecos with
my fancy goldfish... not usually a problem in this size/sort of system>
The water is (and has been) clean - 0 NH3, 0 Nitrites, 10ppm Nitrates,
pH is 8.2 though (my tap water tested 8.0). Water is aerated constantly
and has a filter which pumps water overhead and back through sponges.
Some background - I got the 2 Orandas eight days back and they have been
fine so far, eating well and not constipated. One of them (store said it
is a she) is a bit plump and spends a lot of time just floating near the
filter in a dark corner. Sometimes, she floats a bit lopsided (leaning
to one side). On one side, her tail fin seems a bit bent and this makes
her swim with a clumsy, wriggly movement (the tail fins don't open up
fully at all). I am not sure if she has some swim bladder problem or if
the tail fin hurts when she tries to swim but she does seem happy
otherwise. The 2 Ranchus were brought in 2 days back and are so far
eating and swimming actively with no visible signs of disease.
Today, both of them have developed what seem like whitish lumps inside
their tail fins (mostly near the base).
<I see these>
Also, one of them (not the floater) has developed three or four red
sores on its body (it looks like a scale has been peeled off here and
there exposing the blood behind). There is no worm sticking out of the
sore,
<There will be...>
no mucus, no yellow, just red like it was poked with something sharp.
The two little Ranchus seem to now be chasing them to try and get at the
blood and the lumps (the Orandas don't seem to be harassed too much by
this though).
I have attached some photos which show the lump and the sore (marked in
white). I can sense that they are going to get worse tomorrow so could
you kindly let me know what it could be and how to treat it? I am
planning to move them to quarantine now after giving them a 10 min
treatment in a 10mg/Litre solution of Potassium Permanganate with an
aerator in a bucket.
<Mmm, it's obvious you've been studying... I would not use the KMnO3...
too harsh and won't solve the issue here>
Thanks again in advance,
Shankar
<And now (finally!) my input. This is very likely the beginning of
"Anchor Worm"... a crustacean parasite complaint... at times common with
pond-reared goldfish... Needs really to be treated with an
organophosphate... usually Dimilin or DTHP/Masoten/Dylox/Neguvon... and
other generic names... Please insert the term "Anchorworm" in your
search tool, or the one on WWM. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Re: Goldfish developing lumps in fin and red sores on body - Urgent help
needed! 04/14/2008
Dear Bob,
Thanks very much for your reply. You are right, it is indeed turning out
to be Anchorworms.
<Ahh! and ouch!!!>
I have tried and removed them whenever I see them dangling out more than
2 mm and have been mostly successful (except a couple of cases where I
couldn't get the whole worm out). Dabbing the worm with a swab of cotton
soaked in potassium permanganate seemed to help while pulling them out
but I cant say for sure. The whole thing seems to be subsiding but, to
make sure, I started treating the tank with Paracidol (copper sulfate
based medicine).
<I would not do this... too toxic and not likely to kill the free-living
forms>
The bottle says 3 doses alternate days and that it will remove ich also,
hopefully I should have a clear tank in a week.
<Again... the use of an organophosphate>
Another thing - the guy at the pet shop told me it is a 360 litre (~ 90
gallon) tank but when I actually measured the dimensions of the water
column (minus some allowance for rocks), it looks like I only have 65g!
<Very common to have such a difference in real volume>
So I guess I will have to restrict to just 4 or 5 goldfish:-(
<Good point, call>
Thanks again for the wonderful site, I now read it everyday because it
is so informative (and entertaining).
-Shankar
<Thank you my friend. Bob Fenner>
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Spots on my Kissing Gourami,
likely lernaeids -12/14/07
Hello,
<Stephanie>
I have had a kissing Gourami for a couple of years now but over the last few
days it has developed about some spots which I put down to a bacterial infection
<Mmmm>
and so I've been treating with a fungus, Finrot and bacteria treatment. But the
spots, which appear to be only on one side of it's body have turned a
peachy/orange colour and each seems to have something like a black barb type
thing sticking out of it - almost like a splinter.
<Ahh!>
There are approximately 5 of these spots and they are in different places on the
body and one near the eye. The fish seems to be well enough at the moment it is
eating and behaving as usual.
Do you have any idea what this might be?
<I do... most likely a lernaeid, aka Anchorworm... Please see here re:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwcrustdisfaqs.htm
and the linked files above. Had you recently added "something live" (new fish,
FW food, plants) to this system? The parasite had to have been added some how...
See Google Images for the common name as well... Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Many thanks,
Stephanie
Re: Spots on my Kissing
Gourami -12/14/07
Bob,
<Steph>
Thanks so much for your response. Thanks for the link and "yuk" it looks like
Anchorworm! I bought some new plants about a week ago. So, up go my sleeves!
<Ahh!>
I've pulled the things off with tweezers and now breathe a sigh of relief - so
does my Gourami!
<I'll say!>
I've bought a bottle of parasiticide which I'll have to administer tomorrow as I
have been treating the fish for a bacterial infection and it says to wait 48
hours before using.
<Good>
Thanks so much for you swift response and the link - much appreciated!
Stephanie
<Welcome my friend. BobF>
Newbie /anchor worms and
Camallanus worms, FW 12/12/07
Dear Crew,
First let me apologize in advance for any posting errors. I have never posted
anything before. I have read just about everything I could find on your site and
the web, and still haven't found a clear answer to my question.
<Welcome>
My eight year old son and I are relative newbies to freshwater aquariums, but we
are learning fast. Several months ago, we got a 5 gallon aquarium, with one live
dwarf Amazon sword plant. We have a small under gravel filter from our previous
2 gallon tank, a small heater and a corner box filter, air pump (suitable for up
to 10 gallon tanks). There is a tiny snail, which I have only seen once. I
assume it came with the plant, and I don't know if it is still alive. After a
couple of weeks we got 1 fancy guppy. We had him about three weeks, and then got
another guppy and an Otocinclus. We did not quarantine (a lesson which I have
since learned), I also learned about water testing around this time. Within a
couple of days, the new guppy died of fin and tail rot, and the Oto had ich. I
treated the tank with MelaFix and malachite green.
<Better to simply elevate temperature here.>
The Oto struggled with ich off and on for several weeks, and eventually died.
Throughout all this, the original guppy appeared healthy. As I learned about
water testing during this time, we have been at ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates
2.5-5, ph 7.6-8.0. now for several weeks.
We waited several more weeks, before attempting to get any more fish, and on
11/24/07 decided to get 2 more Otos to help with the algae.
<Mmm, I would not place Otocinclus in such a small volume, with such a high
pH... better to seek out other means of algae control. Posted on WWM>
They are currently quarantined, and so far appear healthy. The day we brought
home the new Otos, I discovered a parasite hanging off the side off the guppy.
After investigating on line, I am sure it was an anchor worm. I removed the box
filter/charcoal and I started to treat with Jungle Parasite Clear, which said it
was good for anchor worms
<... but adults, on host fish/es... must need be physically removed...>
and would not harm the plant like Coppersafe. The anchor worm fell off, leaving
a gaping wound in the side of the guppy. Despite this, he continued to eat and
was active. A few days later, several red worms protruded from his anus, and one
from the gaping hole in his side. After more searching on line, I am sure from
the photos I have seen on line that he had Camallanus worms.
<Mmm... no... these Nematodes are stark white, round in cross section... Likely
what you are seeing are other/new Anchorworms...>
I continued to treat with the Jungle Parasite Clear which contains Praziquantel,
Diflubenzuron, Metronidazole, and Acriflavine.
<Mmm... none of these will treat for, kill Lernaeids... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwcrustdisfaqs.htm
and the linked FAQs file above on Organophosphate Use>
This appeared to have no effect on the worms, and the fish has now finally died
(whether from the worms or the wound).
So my basic questions are these?
<Likely crustacean... Anchorworms>
What do I treat the tank with to ensure anchor worms (which I know is not a
worm) and Camallanus worms (theoretically they have a 30 day life cycle) are
gone (since the Jungle Parasite Clear didn't appear to treat the worms)?
<Not worms... just appear worm-like>
What is safe for the plant?
<Please read the above...>
Is the snail an intermediary host?
<Mmm, no>
How long do I need to wait, keeping in mind I have 2 Otos in quarantine, waiting
for all the algae in the tank. Do I need to take down the whole set up and
sterilize and start over?
<Mmm, possibly the best approach here now>
If so, how?
<See here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clnaqfaqs.htm>
How do I keep the bacteria going in the tank since there are now no fish in
there?
<They will be there>
Thank you in advance for your advice. I have learned much from your site. I
wanted to introduce my son to the pleasures of an aquarium, and all he has seen
so far is a bunch of parasites and sick fish. I realize we have just a tiny set
up, but I had an aquarium when I was growing up, and I wanted him to have the
same pleasure it gave me. I'd just like to get the new Otos settled. We know the
1 inch per gallon of water rule, so we know we can only have a few small fish,
but we want them to be healthy, happy fish. Thanks again for your help.
Vida
<Thank you for writing so well... Clearly and completely. I want to state, make
it known to you that the difficulties you and your animals are suffering are not
of your origination... The livestock you have received has been infested,
compromised... and not easily cured by anyone's efforts. I would either
bleach-wash and start over here, moving the water from the Quarantine along with
the Otocinclus... and feed carefully till the system is established. Otherwise,
Clout (tm), Fluke Tabs (tm), other DTHP or Dimilin containing pesticide can be
added... Do please write back if you have further concerns, issues. Bob Fenner>
Re: newbie /anchor worms and
Camallanus worms 12/18/07
Mr. Fenner,
<Vida>
Thank you for your prompt reply. I think I will take every thing down and bleach
it out. Is there any way to save the plant?
<Yes... can be peremptorily dipped/bathed in an alum and water solution... See
WWM, the Net re>
We like having a live plant as opposed to plastic. Likewise, how does one safely
add new live plants, as I realize they can introduce parasites?
<Rare, but yes... most all that is wet can/may>
If we are starting all over, we will probably add another plant or two, and
definitely don't want to introduce any new parasites. The Otos in quarantine
appear healthy and thriving, and my son would like them in the tank. Here are
some photo links, which show the photos why I believe the fish had Camallanus.
This looked very different from the anchor worm on its side, and definitely
appeared to be multiple red worms in the anus. They would pull in and appear
much shorter at some times than at others. The anchor worm did not do this, it
was the same until it fell off and left the wound on the side of the fish. My
husband, who has a background in biology and a PhD in genetics, also felt that
the organisms protruding from the anus were Camallanus and not the same as the
anchor worm.
http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/CamallanusTreatment/experience.html
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2897/parasiteen0.jpg
http://www.gaem.it/pubblico/articoli/malattiepesci/Camallanus/camallanus03.jpg
<I must commend you on your photographs. Some are very nice indeed... These do
appear to be Nematodes... reddish from feeding likely>
I had tried elevating the temperature of the tank to between 85-90 degrees
(normally it is at 76 degrees) and adding a small amount of aquarium salt for
the ich, but was conservative with this because of the plant and the oto. The pH
of the aquarium was running 7.2-7.6 before treating with the Jungle Parasite
Clear. I suspect some component of the medication fizzy tab has increased the
pH.
<Possibly...>
Thank you again for your assistance.
Vida
<Thank you for this follow-up. Bob Fenner>
Goldfish lice – 08/02/07
Hi how are you.
<Tolerably well, thank you.>
I had emailed earlier for the goldfish lice.
<Yep.>
It had happened to all my 9 fishes. But then I removed it with my hand and then
all of them became fine except 2 which died.
<OK.>
Now after 3 months I again discovered 2 lice on my 2 fish. However I have
removed it and now none are seen in the tank. But pls tell me that what more
precaution can I take. Any medication. Or what.
<Try and understand how the lice get into the tank, for example, by buying
fishes from retailers with a goldfish lice problem.>
Also pls tell me that why these lice happen. Any reason behind it.
<Reason? Evolution. Parasites have evolved to take advantage of host organisms.
But why they occur in your tank? Simple: you aren't quarantining your fish. If
your fish are isolated from infected fishes, they won't get the parasites. If
you dump infected fish from the shop into your aquarium, your fish will get
infected.>
I had bought 3 fishes a week before and added in the tank. Is it because of them
because among the 2 which got infected one was the new one.
<Likely, yes, assuming you killed off the lice last time round.>
Pls tell me the reason behind it and what precaution should I take
<The usual precautions will work: buy healthy fish from trustworthy retailers.
Quarantine new stock, treating for parasites if you suspect they are infected.
Hope this helps, Neale>
Re: Goldfish lice – 08/02/07
Thank you for your efforts and advice.
Pls tell me that how can I quarantine the new stock.
Any medicines.
Also the fish vendor from whom I purchased the fishes say that the fishes are
always under the medication in his shop.
Pls tell me any medicines or antibiotics so that I can cure them. Also after
finding 2 lice what more precaution can I take so that other fishes don't get
infected.
Pls help
<Hello Mr Bond. Quarantining is described in most aquarium books, and is simple
enough to understand: keep new fish in a *separate* aquarium for a few weeks,
long enough for you to observe their health. Six weeks should do the trick. In
that time, you should see evidence of fish lice, whitespot, or whatever and be
able to treat it safely. After quarantining is over, you move the fish into your
display aquarium. All fish retailers will say they quarantine their stock. Can
you imagine them admitting otherwise? To be fair, most actually do quarantine
their stock to some extent. But the problem is that display tanks in the store
mix lots of fish together -- they have to, since the retailer can't place one
goldfish per aquarium! So, simply by being placed on display, the fish are
exposed to diseases. Medications for treating fish lice depend on what's
available in your area. In the UK, it's products such as Interpet #12 Anti
Crustacean Parasite and Waterlife Sterazin. In the US, you have things like
Mardel CopperSafe and Aquarium Products Fluke-Tabs. Visit your retailer, and see
what they have available. Saltwater dips might also work. In this case, add
20-30 grammes of salt per litre of aquarium water in a bucket. Net the fish, and
immerse in the bath for 5-20 minutes depending on the size of the fish (bigger
fish tolerate dips for longer). Repeat daily, and with luck the lice will drop
off. I'm not a vet, so can't comment on antibiotics, but since antibiotics are
for bacteria, there's no reason they would work on lice. Hope this helps, Neale>
Re: Goldfish lice – 08/02/07
What are the medications available in India for fish lice. Here all stupid
people sell fishes and so they don't know anything. Pls recommend it.
Is there any particular reason why these fish lice happen
<Mr. Bond, some manners please. How about saying "please" or "thank you"? Over
here in England we still take these things seriously. Anyway, as for brands of
fish lice medication in India, I haven't a clue. The following medications are
used in the US, UK, and Europe to treat fish lice, and some may be available in
India. For all I know, there may be Indian pharmaceutical companies producing
their own brands. A bit of time spent visiting aquarium stores or shopping
online may help.
- API General Cure
- Aquarium Products Clout
- Aquarium Products Fluke-Tabs
- Aquarium Products Life Bearer
- Hikari CyroPro
- Mardel CopperSafe
- Seachem Cupramine
- Seachem PolyGuard
- Interpet #12 Anti Crustacean Parasite
- Kusuri Parazoryne
- Waterlife Sterazin
- JBL Gyrodactol
- TetraMedica ContraSpot
You probably want to see if there's an Indian or local fishkeeping club you can
join. That's often the best way to make friends among fishkeepers near home, and
so learn about the best places to go shopping and what products and traded. As
for "why" parasites happen, I think I explained that before. When a healthy fish
and a parasitised fish are brought together in one tank, then there's a good
chance the parasite will infect the healthy fish. Your job is to prevent that
happening. Bob's written a nice intro to the subject, here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/quaranti.htm .
Hope this helps, Neale>
Anchorworm, using WWM 7/7/05
Hi,
Thank you for creating such an informative website. I learned so much from it.
:)
I just plucked an anchor worm off the tail of my goldfish. I could not find
information of what to do with the goldfish - should I quarantine
it or release it back into the container pond? At the moment now, it is in a 1
gallon tank. I don't have space in the townhouse to set up a real QT tank. All
the other fishes seem healthy.
Thanks,
Lai Hwa
<... go to the homepage of WWM:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/index.html
put in the term "anchor worm" in the Google search tool...
Bob Fenner>
Anchor worm on a molly?
We have a gold dust molly we purchased her with a mate about 6 months ago
her mate died about 1 month ago and now she seems to be get fat quite fat
under her belly she has a white round opening and it seems to have a well I am
not sure what it is it looks like 2 red thin things sticking out it sort of
looks like one have of a sword tail maybe I am really not schooled in fish and
the fish belong to my 9 year old daughter she wanted fish so my husband them for
her we have a 30 gallon tank with 6 fish neons, the molly, and zebras, and a
head light tail light with 2 of the cleaning fish one is large and one is small
I am worried about the molly my husband says fish lay eggs but from my
research I see that is not correct please help clueless
<Does sound like anchor worm, Lernaea (actually a copepod).... please put this
name, term in your search engine, look at pix... and if this is so, consider
carefully pulling these adults off the fish (with tweezers)... W/o intermediate
hosts (snails) they cannot (likely) reproduce in your system. Bob Fenner>
Parasite in Parrot Gills
Hello
I have lost two parrot fish in the last three months. They all have long red
tubular growths coming from the inside of the gills. The gill area has busted
open since they got this and is growing out of the gills. The aquarium store
told me it was most likely gill flukes and so I treated them repeatedly with no
cure. They told me that they were a hybrid fish and if they appeared to be OK
them let them go. I did and I lost one parrot 3 months ago and 1 last night. I
noticed last week that the red tubular growths had purple tips on them and that
the rosy barb in the tank was sticking its head into their gills and eating
it. Please help. I've had these fish for over three years and I am very
attached. The aquarium seems to think they may be anchor worms. There are two
angel fish, a Pleco and a rosy barb in the tank and they do not have these
growths.
Kathleen
< To get rid of either gill flukes or anchor worm I would recommend Fluke-Tabs.
If your local store does not carry them then you can order them online at
DrsFosterSmith.com.-Chuck>
Anchor Worms
Hi,
I have a 90x37x32 tank with various livebearers in. By the way I have 10 tanks
of various sizes. I recently purchased a couple of platies and 4 Siamese
fighter females and 1 male with about 4 new plants. (Not from a reputable
dealer!! - mistake no 1). The tank has been running for about 4 months now.
In the past 3 weeks my male Siamese fighter and 3 females had anchor worms (worm
with a v tail) which I have treated successfully with Interpet No13. I treat the
fish in a hospital tank. I purchased 4 more females of which two acquired the
worm again. They are undergoing treatment.
<I suspect this is the economic poison Dimilin... or the older DTHP (Masoten,
Dylox...) Please see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/contrpdparasit.htm>
My question is how do I cure the tank without damaging the plants which by the
way are stunning. I do realize that I will have to strip the tank which is no
problem. My plants are my concern.
<The plants should be fine if the product mentioned is either of these
organophosphates. If it is something else, please write back, Bob Fenner>
I trust to hear from you soon.
Kind Regards,
GRAHAM LIGHT
UITENHAGE
SOUTH AFRICA
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