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FAQs on Exophthalmia/Pop-Eye, From Traumas
Related Articles: Exophthalmia/Pop-eye,
Environmental Disease,
Related FAQs: Pop-Eye 1,
Pop-Eye 2, & FAQs on Popeye:
Causes/Etiology: Parasitic
Involvements Suspected & Real,
Infectious Disease, Cures,
Case Histories, &
Environmental Disease, Aggressive
Behavior, Sources
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Galba's Chrysiptera - can I save his eye?
9/13/09
HI again!
<Chris>
After much good information from you regarding my flame angel situation
and a "yellow fish" that would be compatible with my current fish - I am
very excited to report that I was able to get my hands on a Galba's
Chrysiptera! I received him about 4 days ago (online mail) - he is in a
qt tank. Today I noticed that he wasn't eating - by later in the
afternoon his head seemed discolored (darker). I thought it was my
imagination. A few hours later I took a good look at him from above and
noticed that his one eye is bulging
out of his head!
<I see this in your excellent photos>
I have read your website regarding popeye - but I am sending a picture
along to verify that this is what I am indeed dealing with. I can try to
get a better picture if needed. The eye itself still looks clear, but
everything around it looks bad. Its bulging, the top and side of his
head is darkly discolored and behind his eye where it is bulging is red.
If I didn't know better I would say he has a pretty good "shiner". Can
you tell if it sounds/looks more bacterial or injury related (possibly
from shipping??)
<Most likely the latter; else both eyes would be afflicted>
Could he lose his eye?
<Is a possibility; yes>
Would you start Maracyn and or Epsom salt, or just leave it for now. I
would like to take quick, but proper action. As always I appreciate your
help!
Thank you,
Chris K
<I would begin this course of treatment; with slightly lowered specific
gravity... Do place a bit of cured live rock with this fish... for
security, aiding stability. Bob Fenner>
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Re: Update on Galba's Chrysiptera - can I save his eye? - and
a shredded Firefish! 09/14/09
Hi BOB! I am so happy to hear from you! Thank you for your reply - I
have some more information - and another question. I'm sorry to keep
pestering. Over night I added Epsom salt to the QT tank because the
swelling was increasing and I figured it couldn't hurt. Obviously I am
not seeing any major changes in less than 12 hours - I know your website
said anything from 1 - 4 days, although the redness did spread from the
back of his eye to the top. Regardless, while doing more research on
your website, I notice that some people recommend Maracyn - and others
prefer Furan - which do you prefer?
<Both can be effective. Maracyn/Erythromycin is less "dirty" to use>
I will put live rock in with him - but since the tank will be medicated,
will I be able to return the rock to my FOWLR display tank when the fish
is finally ready to add?
<Yes, I would>
Also do I remove the carbon from the QT filter while medicating?
<Mmm, if nothing is registering "out of whack" metabolism-wise, I
would>>
I assume yes but online the Maracyn info said it was not necessary.
Speaking of live rock - I purchased some recently - after QT-ing it for
several weeks (I do QT my live rock after I purchased a piece that must
not have been cured properly and resulted in an isopod NIGHTMARE that
destroyed half my stock) At the time, I had written to WetWebMedia but
received no response -
<Unusual... we respond to all. Might have "gotten lost">
however faithful to your sight as I am - I was able to gather that you
were having e-mail trouble at the time. I did the best I could - but
ultimately ended up dumping all my sand - freezing my live rock for 24
hours, reseeding it and pretty much starting from scratch... sorry - I
am digressing - I made a few changes to the design of my rocks when I
added the new stuff - this resulted in one of my two Firefish gobies who
have
lived together peacefully for months (even consistently sharing the same
bolt hole) becoming aggressive and beating the crap out of his "friend"
chasing him all over the tank. I removed the aggressive guy - and he is
now in yet another QT tank (timeout) until his friend - who now has no
dorsal fin and a tail that looks like its been through a paper shredder
- heals and defines his territory. Any suggestions on how to add the
more
aggressive guy back in? Or would it be better to keep only the one?
<Float it in the system... in a plastic colander for a few days... This
very commonly takes the "spit and vinegar" out of aggressors. BobF>
Re: Update on Galba's Chrysiptera - can I save his eye? - and a
shredded Firefish! 09/14/09
Really? Floating him - amazing! I'll try it as soon as the other guy heals
up a little more. Well - if I did not thank you for your help properly in my
last e-mail, you have my sincerest gratitude! Oh yes - just
an FYI that I found interesting -maybe you do too. None of my LFS ever heard
of a deep water canary damsel - and none were able to order one special for
me when I inquired. One even laughed at me for being willing to spend $50 or
more for a "damsel". I think he's gorgeous.
Chris K
<I do agree... the genus Chrysiptera has some real gems. I do see this
species at the better wholesalers (Quality Marine, Tropic Marine Centre...)
and in "rich folks tanks"... Is a hardy beauty. BobF>
Re: Update on Galba's Chrysiptera - something else must be going
09/14/09
on - I think its too late
Bob -
It has now been about an hour after adding the Maracyn to the QT - I looked
to find my canary damsel lying on his side gasping for air at the bottom of
the tank. I understand fish don't die from popeye - maybe I missed
something, it happened so fast, maybe I got to him too late, I'm racking my
brain - this is agonizing to watch him suffer. I imagine if there was a
secondary infection the Maracyn would be helping - but he is getting worse.
Is there anything I can do at this point?
<I'd move this fish back to the main/display tank, stat. B>
Would removing the medication help? Have you ever heard of a fish recovering
once he reaches this point?
Thanks,
Chris K
Re: Too late for Galba's Chrysiptera? 09/14/09
I removed the canary damsel from the medicated tank and placed him in a tank
with fresh saltwater. I didn't feel I had a choice - he was laying there
dying - I couldn't let that happen without doing "something". So I took a
chance. He lay on the bottom on his side for about 5 minutes then righted
himself and is now hiding behind the rock I placed in there with
him. He is no longer laying on his side. Could this have been a reaction to
the medication.
<Yes... or likely better put, a reaction to the secondary effects of adding
it>
I double checked the dosing instruction - I did not make a measuring
mistake. However I did use Maracyn plus - because it indicated it was for
saltwater.
Thanks again,
Chris K
<Is indeed. BobF>
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Re: Too late for Galba's Chrysiptera?
09/15/09
Bob -
<Christine>
In my haste (or maybe panic is a better choice) to update you, my last
e-mail may not have made sense. The canary damsel is now in another tank
(3 gallon acrylic) with only saltwater and Epsom salt - no medication.
<Mmm... one last time, I would have moved this fish back to the main
display. Any other setting is going to be inferior, more stressful>
I am in the process of cleaning out the original QT to rid it of
medication residue. The temporary tank his is in has filtration and a
rock which he is still hiding behind. I hesitate to disturb him, and I
don't think I should stress him out more by attempting to move him into
the bigger QT at this point, but I did remove the rock for a few minutes
to take a good look.
He stays only at the bottom of the tank, and made no attempt to move at
all when I put in my hand and pulled out the rock. The top of his head,
above his eye and behind his eye are now completely black.
<A bad sign... nervous damage, or...>
He is showing a red streak above his top "lip". The swelling of his
injured left eye appears to have gone only slightly and the eye itself
is still clear. The gill(?) area behind his injured left eye appears to
be swollen now. And if you look at him straight on, you can see that he
is leaning to the right. I have yet to see him eat in the past few days
- yet I notice today he has a long white strand of feces (with some dark
globs on it) hanging from him. Possibly a parasite on top of everything
else?
<Can't tell>
He made it through the night - he's a fighter - I refuse to give up on
him. I am attempting to get more pictures to send along later today. I
find myself again in desperate need of your expertise. Is he too weak to
try to medicate again?
<Won't avail you anything>
How can I entice him to eat? Garlic? Would adding Selcon vitamins
directly to the water do anything at all to get his strength up or would
that even be too stressful?
<Only time now>
Thank you as always - the service that you provide is invaluable.
Chris K
<BobF>
re: More photos - Too late for Galba's Chrysiptera?
Mr. Fenner - I have attached more photos of my canary damsel as promised.
He seems to be swimming in circles on the bottom - at least while I was
trying to photograph him.
<... very bad. B>
Too late for Galba's Chrysiptera 09/15/09
Mr. Fenner - my canary damsel unfortunately just died. I don't know what
else I could have done - but I do appreciate everything you did to assist
me. I am still interested in your thoughts regarding the last e-mail with
photos. It never hurts to acquire knowledge for future reference...
Sincerest regards and gratitude,
Chris K
<I fully suspect this fish was damaged in being captured, held, shipped
(quite common)... I would ask your supplier in turn to enquire of theirs for
credit/replacement. Bob Fenner>
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Queen Angel Eye Injury
4/15/09
Good Morning Bob and Crew,
<Scott>
I have a client that has a 500 gallon system which contains a XL
Queen, L Volitans, 2 x L Yellow Tangs, M Porcupine Puffer and a 12"
Epaulette Shark.
The system has been up and running for about a year with little
problems.
However, when I showed up for servicing last night, the client
informed me that he bought and placed an Imperator Angel into the
system. The Imperator is approximately 6" long, which is about 3-4"
smaller then the Queen. As you can see by the picture, the Queen has
a severe eye injury.
It looks like the lens has been completely ripped off. You can also
see his left pectoral fin has some damage, this is also true of his
right pectoral fin as well as his caudal fin.
<I see this>
I informed my client that the damage was due to the introduction of
the Imperator.
<Maybe>
Of course he denied that and thought I could just add some miracle
medicine to the tank to clear it up. My question is, do you think
there is any chance this eye will heal, or will she be permanently
blind in that eye?
<There is a chance... will take time... months>
When I fed them last night, she ate wonderfully, but only what she
could see on her right side. I will be removing the Imperator, how
Im not too sure yet, perhaps even with a small fishing pole, because
I don't feel like removing the 500-600 lbs of live rock that's in
there.
--
Scott C. Wirtz
Owner, Blue Marlin Aquatic Creations
<I'd leave the Imperator in... as this is your customers purchase,
wish likely... And the new Angel may have had little to do with the
apparent injuries of the Queen. I would suggest you sell your
customer food
supplements (e.g. Selcon) to add to foods. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
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Clown fish with bulging eye 4/16/08
Dear Wet Web Media Crew,
<Mark>
You guys have become my favorite resource on the internet.
I have done some reading on clown fish with a single bulging eye on
the website and that it seems that it is probably due to an injury
(bump in the night) but I guess like most aquarists I am just
wanting to ensure that this is all it might
be. I have a 75
gallon with 175w metal halides. The system has been setup for a
little over a year with stable water parameters. Other inhabitants
include a golden headed sleeper goby, coral beauty angel, 4 pajama
cardinals, royal Gramma, 2 porcelain crabs, blue hermits, Astreas
snails, Cerith snails, and a couple of turbo snails along with a
toad stool leather, colt coral, RBTA, pulsing xenia, some Zoa's, and
various mushrooms. The clowns chose to host in the colt coral as
you'll be able to see by the attached picture.. They have been
hosting in this coral for more than 6 months.
Thanks in advance
for any advice.
Mark
<I do concur, agree with you that this
eye complaint is highly likely due to a mechanical injury... and
will solve itself over time. Bob Fenner>
Re: clown fish with bulging eye 4/28/08
Bob,
<Mark>
I just wanted to let you know that my clowns eye has healed and she
is still boss of the tank. Thank You so much for your help in
validating my research on your most excellent website/resource.
Mark
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Clown Trigger with Cloudy Eye: 4-6-08
Good Morning Crew!
<Good
Morning! Yunachin here!>
I noticed my clown trigger's left eye has
turned white and cloudy today (picture attached) . I also see a tiny
little rip or something in the eye. Is this a disease or due to
aggression from the other smaller Humu that is in the tank? They have
been getting along fine.
<As it was just one eye, it was more than
likely due to some physical trauma, maybe from another fish, or even
scratching it on a rock. I also received your forwarded email about it
doing better and I am glad. Keep pristine water condition and feed food
with vitamins to help keep his immune system up and watch that eye
incase anymore problems should occur.>
As always, thank you for your
help!
<Not a problem! –Yunachin>
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Coral Beauty eye problem 12/19/07
Hi,
We got this Coral
Beauty 2 weeks ago. It has developed a bulging eye on 1 side. Sorry it's
difficult to get it out of the rocks for a picture. Should I try the
Epsom salts treatment and remove him to a QT?
<Mmm, I would not...
Your pic shows that this eye condition is highly likely due to a
physical trauma... there's even a residual "white dot" about and forward
of the eye, where the animal bumped into something>
He is in a 90
gallon right now. I have a well established 10 gallon nano with live
rock and no fish in right now. If I put it in there will Epsom salts
harm the live rock in the tank or should I put the fish in a tub? Also
here is an exotic vet close to our house that treats fish. Should I
bring him there?
Thanks,
Barb
<I would leave this Centropyge
where it is... perhaps adding some liquid vitamin prep. to the foods,
water will aid in recovery here. Selcon, Micro-Vit... Bob Fenner>
Re: Coral Beauty eye problem 12/23/07
Thanks so much he/she
is looking much better.
<Ah, good. Thank you for this follow-up.
BobF> |
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Eye Problem... in a Holocentrid 12/27/06
Hello,
I
have a red striped squirrel fish that is about 5 inches in length.
Over the last three days air bubbles have shown up inside the left eye
and appear to be growing larger. The fish is eating fine and acting
normal. What causes this and is this a concern.
Jeff
Fiorita
<Such one-sided "bulging eye" conditions are generally due
to a physical trauma... a "bump in the night" with consequent damage to
the vascular network (the eyes of fishes, as the those of humans, are
supplied with a good deal of blood flow/drainage)... As opposed to most
"bilateral exopthalmic conditions" which are environmental (e.g.
emphysematosis) or pathogenic in nature. Cure involves maintaining
optimized and stable conditions... and patience... Will typically
resolve itself in weeks to months. Bob Fenner>
Poor Picasso
Trigger with Popeye - 4/7/07
I have had a Picasso
trigger for almost the last year and he has been a great little guy. His
only tankmate is a clown trigger (who is rapidly growing)
<Yikes...
not compatible>
that was purchased around the same time. Several
months ago I moved them from a 46 gallon into the current 75 gallon. I
have about 45 lbs of live rock and use a Fluval 404 filter with a
Coralife 125 gallon super skimmer. I do weekly water changes of about 10
gallons and continually have nitrates around 15ppm. Around the time that
I moved them the Picasso began to have bulgy eyes. Not just one but both
so I looked up what I could find figured that it might just be poor
water quality. I was doing very large weekly water changes of about 20
gallons which seemed to help. The Popeye was sporadic, some days it was
there and would stay for a several and then he would be just fine for
week only to have it appear again. He eats and swims just fine now. The
Clown trigger has never shown any signs of Popeye, so I also don't think
that it could be a water quality issue anymore. Occasionally the
Picasso's colors lighten up substantially but he is usually quite dark
in color and very colorful. I feed them a large assortment of foods
including Clams, shrimp, squid, krill, mysis, brine, mussels, and
trigger formula. I believe their diet to be fine and am glad that the
Picasso eats normally. Last week I moved the Picasso into a ten gallon
quarantine tank and decided to treat him with Maracyn as I believed this
to be the best course of action to take. It began to look as though it
was working the next day and appeared so until the last day of
treatment. I woke up and his eyes were just as bulgy as before. I did
further reading and decided that maybe I should be treating with
Maracyn-2 as I had read that rarely do fish have gram positive bacterial
infections which is what the Maracyn is supposed to treat. I have begun
treating with Maracyn-2 and have noticed no results. I am almost at a
loss for what to do now as this is my favorite fish and is a joy to
watch everyday. Thank you for all your help. Sincerely, John C.
<Mmm... well, the etiologies of such bulging can be complex... there
might be an internal parasite at play here... As you relate that the
Clown is not affected, I too discount the possibility of fine
air-bubbles, some other physical or chemical cause here... I do
encourage you to try switching (almost exclusively) to Spectrum fish
food... for three reasons... One, it is nutritionally complete... two,
the problem may be related to some part of the food you're currently
offering, and lastly, as am hopeful this may reduce some part, extend
the time till the Clown becomes overtly aggressive/territorial toward
the Picasso. Bob Fenner>
Popeye
Could this be spread to my other fish? Should he be taken out of the
main take?
<Not likely if unilateral... read over the sources sent to
you... www.WetWebMedia.com
Bob Fenner>
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