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FAQs on Marine Water Quality involving Ammonia, Science
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Ammonia/ium is the principal "waste product" of fishes,
invertebrates... catabolysis of proteins... And is toxic, especially
at high/er pHs... to all... Even small amounts have a debilitating
influence. |
Ammonia and Nitrite - 12/26/05 Hi, <<Hello>> I find your
website very very interesting for beginners in saltwater aquarium hobby.
<<That's great!>> I have a 66 Gallon tank. I have 2 power filters,
one for the skimmer (it’s a quite a big skimmer) and one to get a good
water circulation. I also have a canister filter (1100L/H) and a
heater. I have used saltwater water direct from the sea but
conditioned. <<Not the best way to go. Too much risk of introducing
pollution/parasites, along with a very weak/short-lived buffer
capacity.>> I have dead corals, dead rock, sea sand and a bit of
crushed coral sand in the tank. My tank looks great with the crystal
clear water. Now I want to start my cycling process. <<Mmm...the
cycling process started once all was added to the tank.>> So 3 days
after setting up the tank when all my equipment were running well I
introduced 6 Damsel Fish (4 Domino and 2 Blue Damsels) <<Sheesh...I
know this is a somewhat accepted and often used method, but I just think
there are better ways to introduce nitrogenous compounds/waste to a tank
for cycling purposes. Aside from the obvious stress and distress caused
to these fishes, many times aquarists find they don't want these
fishes/can't keep other fishes due to the damsel's nasty dispositions
(the Domino damsels will grow in to real terrors, magnified by the
confines of this tank). It is my opinion that the same result can be
achieved when cycling a tank by adding a "small" amount of fish food
every few days...or better yet... a couple small bits of uncured live
rock.>> when I checked my Ammonia, Nitrite & pH values on the 5th
day it was as follows; Ammonia (mg/l) = very close to 1.0, Nitrite
(mg/l) = 0.2 – 0.5. My questions how can I get both the Ammonia and
Nitrite readings together like this? If I am correct I should get the
Nitrite reading after the Ammonia reading is zero right? <<Not
correct. You have insufficient bacteria growth yet in this system,
along with a very heavy fish load for this tank and its current stage
(one damsel would have been plenty). As such, you are going to have
measurable amounts of ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate in this
system. Please do some reading here and at the indices in blue at the
top of the page:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/estbiofiltmar.htm >> Is there
something wrong with my tank condition? <<Nothing unexpected...you
are experiencing the nitrogen cycle...please do some reading up on this,
much info re on our website.>> My fish seems to be fine for the
moment but I am worried please let me know your view. <<You have my
view on this. Regards, EricR>> Thanks Akila Re:
Ammonia and Nitrite - 12/25/05 Hi Eric <<Hello Akila>>
Thanks for your quick and valuable response. <<You're very
welcome.>> By reading your reply and also the recommended
information on the cycling process I have decided that patients is
virtue here. <<Indeed>> So I’ll be doing the tests regularly and
see what’s happening. <<Very good>> Also could you please let me
know what exactly buffer capacity is? How you do measure your buffer?
What effect does that have on fish, water quality and bacteria?
<<Buffer capacity, simply stated, is a measure of your tanks ability to
neutralize acids while resisting change. Do some more reading here for
further explanation:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm >> I have placed my
tank outdoor. But when I researched so many articles say to keep your
tank out of direct sunlight. Why is this? <<This is generally to
reduce/prevent heat buildup.>> I actually don’t have direct sunlight
to the place where my tank is but I get somewhat more sunlight than
keeping it inside the house. <<If the tank is not overheating it is
likely fine. Rodney Jonklaas did just this many years ago with his fish
only tanks in Ceylon.>> Please let me know what effect sunlight has
on the tank water quality, fish and bacteria. Up to now I don’t seem to
have a problem. <<Then I doubt you will...no need to worry.>>
Appreciate your response. Thanks Best regards, Akila
<<Cheers my friend, EricR>> Re: Ammonia and Nitrite II - 12/29/05
Dear Eric <<Hello Akila>> Thanks again for your valuable
information. <<Always welcome my friend.>> I live in Ceylon too.
<<Cool! Maybe someday I'll come visit, go diving...>> I have no
overheating problems because as I said although the tank is outdoors the
tank is not exposed to any direct sunbeams. <<Sounds fine>> But
my concern is algae. <<Likely of little "concern" if the tank does
not receive direct sunlight.>> I heard when the tank is outdoors you
are more likely to get algae problems in your tank. <<A lighting
(sunlight) issue...doesn't seem to be the case here.>> What kind of
algae are these? <<The same that occur under artificial lighting.>>
And how do you remove them if a problem occurs? <<The same way you
do for those that occur under artificial lighting. Here's some more
reading for ya: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/algaeconMar.htm
>> Oh, and also by keeping my marine tank outdoors, will my water
turn into brown or green color like the common problem in freshwater
tanks? <<If neglected, yes.>> What are hair algae that everyone
talks about? <<Just that...long, stringy, filamentous algae that
resembles, well...hair...usually a sign/result of overstocking/feeding,
excess nutrients, insufficient export mechanisms, etc..>> Because my
tank is a Fish Only tank is this something to be worried about because I
read many articles say that the problem exists in Reef tanks. Why is
this? <<Mmm...this algae can be/become problematic in any system
(FO/FOWLR/REEF), if not properly maintained. But is possibly
encountered more/most often in reef systems due to the higher intensity
lighting associated with same.>> Also please let me know some tank
cleaning animals (like scavenges in freshwater tanks) that will control
the algae over growth. Are Shrimps & Gobies good for this job? Or are
there any other kind? <<Turbo and Astrea snails are considered good
algae grazers by many, though I honestly have my doubts as to their
utility re. Some blennies, some tangs, are good grazers...as are
urchins of the genus Diadema. I've also heard tell of a small (3")
tropical Pacific Abalone that is supposed to be a good algae grazer, but
I've not yet been able to acquire any to see for myself. A Google
search for "algae grazer" should provide some other ideas/examples as
well. But whether or not you can have some of these critters will
depend on the fishes in your tank.>> Sorry to trouble you with so
many questions almost everyday. As I am new to this hobby I am still
confused. <<No trouble at all.>> Thanks for your help.
Appreciate your response. Happy New Year to youj)))) Best
regards, Akila <<Happy New Year to you too Akila! EricR>>
Re: Ammonia and Nitrite III - 01/01/06 Hi Eric <<Hi Akila>>
Thanks again for your valuable information and also if you do come to
Ceylon I'll sure help you out with your journey. <<Sounds good my
friend.>> My current condition of the tank is at expected
levels. Now my ammonia level is dropping and the nitrite is sky high.
<<Yes, as expected with a tank that is cycling.>> Anyways I have
some more problems that I need your views on. <<Okay>> When I
replace the evaporated water, is it alright to refill it with
Chlorine-less tap water or should I have buy purified water all the
time? <<Depends on your tap water ultimately, but for a fish-only
system this is usually fine.>> Do I have to add some saltwater to
the tank when replacing the evaporated water (Ex: when replacing
evaporated water should I add 75% fresh and 25% saltwater).
<<Nope...maintain your salinity with frequent partial water changes.>>
And what about saltwater that goes out with the protein skimmer should I
replace that water with saltwater? <<Monitor salinity and adjust as
explained.>> Also it is alright to use normal very clean salt (NOT
MARINE SALT) that we use in our kitchen to balance the salinity of the
water (at very urgent situations only)? <<I wouldn't...best to use a
proprietary salt mix here.>> Monthly when maintaining how much water
(Percentage) should I take out to replace with new saltwater
<<Twenty percent monthly is a good starting point...can be increased if
necessary.>> and does this reduce the nitrate levels in the tank?
<<Yes, as well as reducing other pollutants, and replenishing
trace/earth elements.>> Or are there any other ways to reduce
nitrate levels? <<For your situation I think frequent partial water
changes will serve well.>> Thanks for your help. Appreciate your
response. Best regards, Akila <<Always welcome, EricR>>
Ammonia/Ammonium and pondus hydrog-a-something you say Hi guys! I
have this nagging question in the back of my mind. <is it all alone
in there?> I heard somewhere that the same amount of ammonia is less
toxic when in water of a lower pH, than that of a higher pH. Is this a
false statement that I have passed on as truth? Or is there any fact to
it? <truth- ammonia picks up hydrogen as the pH (pondus or
"weight/percent" of hydrogen) falls and becomes Ammonium which is
somewhat less toxic. By the same turn... raising the pH in a tank of
poor water quality (heavy organics) can kill fishes from the conversion
(Ammonia spike)> Uhhh, not that I have an ammonia problem, or
anything, it's just bugging me. Thanks all! Jen <an intelligent
question, dear... thanks for asking. Anthony>
Ammonia Source for Experiment Dear Crew: As part of a school
science fair project about aquariums, my 9 y/o daughter is going to be
testing the sensitivity and reliability of Seachem's Ammonia Alert. What
would be the best inexpensive, easily obtainable source of quantifiable
ammonia to add to the water she'll be testing this product in? Of
course, no fish are involved in the test--she'll be using glass
containers of just saltwater (1.025) and just fresh water. Thanks, Steve
Allen. <I would use simple "cleaning ammonia". that can be serially
diluted (it still is a breathing irritant, so please do the dilutions
for your daughter), making "stock" solution of a known concentration
(look into a Hach or LaMotte... or even a Salifert test kit for ammonia
to "check the checker" (the Ammonia Alert tm). Bob Fenner>
High Ammonia, No Change Hi Crew, <Tom> On July 12th I began
setting up my first marine tank the humane way. I used household ammonia
marked 10%. From the outset I put too much ammonia in the tank., .6. I
then added "Cycle" and "Stress Zyme" according to instructions. I also
put some fish food in the tank. <That's a lot of ammonia total...>
I know that I am supposed to be patient, but there has been absolutely
no change since July 12th. I am using "Master Saltwater Test " by
Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. <Try using a different test kit to see if
it agrees with your current results. Also, consider adding a very small
piece of live rock or sand from a fellow hobbyist's established system
to seed more aerobic bacteria. Other than that, patience...> Can you
shed some light on this problem. Thanks, Tom <Best, Chris><<RMF would
also do a massive water change to dilute the current toxic level of
household ammonia present>> Ammonia 2/16/04 Dear
Anthony: <cheers, Connie :)> Cheri and her husband were here
yesterday, and pronounced our tank in good condition, so our sandbed is
safe and all is well, with perhaps adding one inch of sand gradually.
<ahhh... great to hear!> Cheri brought her water tester with her and
then we ran an ammonia test, and lo and behold we have .025 ammonia
reading. The conclusion was reached that our 30 gallon plastic water
containers from Home Depot are the culprits, as the plastic is not for
human consumption plastic (food storage). We had no idea that it was
the containers and Joe is going about finding the correct containers
today. <there are many possibilities... although you are correct
that its best to use food safe containers. Still... do test your new
seawater in another vessel too... its actually possible that the ammonia
is in the sea salt! Impurities do get through. There is also the
possibility, rather likelihood, that the ammonia is simply from recent
activities in the tank. Don't throw away those plastic cans just yet ;)>
Our problem is this: I am getting a male boulardi wrasse on Friday to
replace a male who died during acclimation. 1. If we can get containers
and r/o water in time to mix it, how much water in our 60 gallon tank
would it be safe to replace before Friday?, <hmmm... I'm not sure I
follow how the new fish relates to the tank. Will the new fish be
quarantined in a separate QT tank? Hoping so. Else, it is a scary thing
to do - value of the fish, risk to the other sin the tank with these
notoriously bad shippers (disease), etc. To answer your question,
though... one or two 50% water changes would be no trouble at all. As
always, adjust temp, pH and salinity very closely> 2. If we can't
get this all assembled and mixed in time, could we use Amquel to
neutralize the water? <I really don't care for such products...
and they will corrupt the readings on many ammonia test kits afterwards
(Nessler's reagents). Do avoid it and rely on water changes and careful
feeding instead> 3. Is there anything else we can do that you can
suggest? This particular wrasse is fragile and I don't want him to die
because of this ammonia problem. <Ughh... yes, very fragile. And I
realize now that this fish is going into the display. Please please
please my friend get a QT tank set up ASAP. It is absolutely necessary.
If not to avoid the risk of disease... then to handle this precious
living treasure (a very limited resource) in a responsible manner.
Putting any fish into the display without QT is like playing a game of
Russian roulette. I do beg this of you for your own good my dear friend>
Cheri's husband says it probably wouldn't bother the fish but Cheri
thinks otherwise. <I agree with Cheri... and place the odds of the
fish living at a not too favorable number> We really value your
opinion and will appreciate anything you can add to this dialogue to
help. I can't put off getting the fish, I have waited three months, and
the seller keeps forgetting I exist. <at the risk of beating a dead
horse <G>... the QT tank must be set up and conditioned before any fish
is purchased. Its better to pass on it and give it a chance to live
elsewhere than watch it die in your possession. Patience :)> Thanks
in advance (again). Your fan, Connie <in shared admiration, Anthony>
Ammonia, sea food, etc. Hi Robert, I have some quirky
questions for you. They may seem unlikely to work, but they're on my
mind, and the more I think of them the more realistic they seem, so...
:-) Perhaps you'll indulge me. <Okay> 1) Is it possible to
maintain a cycle on an aquarium by adding a drop of ammonia (lab grade)
every couple of days? I know the standard way of doing this is to use a
damsel, but I would far prefer the ammonia drip solution, as it doesn't
involve trapping an animal in a very small place, and doesn't have the
issue of where to put the aggressive, hard-to-catch animal while the
quarantine is being used as a hospital tank. This doesn't seem like that
radical an idea, and yet it doesn't seem from my surfing that anyone
does this. <Yes... inorganic sources of ammonia can/have been used to
establish, augment, keep going nitrifying beds... Ammonium chloride is
most often employed. A bit dangerous... easy to over treat a system...
best to under estimate, measure> 2) I recently noticed some kind of
bivalve encrusted in a piece of live rock that I've had since October
30th. That's quite a while, so I guess I can keep it alive in this tank
even without feeding it. <Yes, perhaps not expressly... getting food
more indirectly from your system> It's approx. 1cm long, and in a
cavity in the rock. My question this is leading to is the following: if
I were to go to a fresh (live) sea food store, are there any animals in
there that would have a chance of survival in my tank?! :-) Such as, for
instance, a very small oyster or something? If so, that would be really
fun. If I can keep this 1cm bivalve alive (this thing is obviously not
photosynthetic), perhaps I could keep something more ambitious alive.
<Yes, bait shops are even better... for fresher/more live material... be
aware of the likelihood of these things dying (and consequent pollution)
and please be sure to not allow such exotics to get into the wild>
Thanks, and warm regards as always, Paul <I do like a curious mind.
Be chatting. Bob Fenner> Re: Ammonia, sea food, etc.
Thanks Bob, OK. Here's what I was hoping to do... I intended to
keep the quarantine empty, but with my old Hagen hob filter in there. I
would have it continuously running, but at room temperature (no heater)
to save electricity (it's in the cold-ish basement). <Okay> I
intended to get some of this NH4Cl, dissolve it in a drop doser, and
every few days shake it well and put in a single drop. That way, I could
keep the cycle in the media in the Hagen. I could also of course use my
ammonia test kit and make sure I wasn't overdoing it. <I would not do
this... Instead I would use some filter media, substrate, water from an
established system that's clean... after bringing the
quarantine/hospital tank up to temperature> The advantage to this
over the occasional fish food solution is the complete lack of organic
detritus accumulation over time. (Remember, I don't have a protein
skimmer on this baby.) <I understand... thought you/I were chatting
about setting up a new/sterile main/display system... I would still not
go the inorganic route> I think I understand your concern, but I
wonder if it's alleviated by the fact that at this time, there are no
animals (other than my Nitrobacter et. al.) in the tank. I would of
course stop dosing at least a week before adding a critter, and test
carefully at that time. <Only barely (alleviated)... easy to bump
them off chemically as well> If your fear is that some chemical
pollution could accumulate that wouldn't be measurable by my hobbyist
test kit, then I understand completely and I will of course discard
this approach. However, if your fear is other than that, then I don't
quite understand you yet. Thanks! Paul <Do wish we were in face to
face contact here. I/We lost the aforementioned Wopner case on the basis
of the (my memory is lapsing here, sigh...) Nessler Reagent? Test...
being overwhelmed by the too-high concentration of ammonia from the AP
product... the plaintiffs got a false negative and blamed it on the test
kit/store (one of ours)... and we lost the case!!! Anyhow, more of my
boring anecdotes re lost Hollyweird fame. Bob Fenner> Re:
Ammonia, sea food, etc. Hi Robert, Thanks for your help. I
called a local shop and they are willing to pick through a crate for a
small oyster for me. I'll let you know how it works out... :-)
<Sounds like a grand adventure> Just to be sure before I buy any, is
the ammonia source you recommend: The Columbia Encyclopedia: Sixth
Edition. 2000. ammonium chloride (m´nm klôr´d) (KEY), chemical compound,
NH4Cl, a white or colorless, odorless, water-soluble, cubic crystalline
salt with a biting taste, commonly known as sal ammoniac. It is prepared
commercially by reacting ammonia, NH3, with hydrogen chloride,
HCl, and is used chiefly in the manufacture of electric dry-cell
batteries, in soldering fluxes, in textile printing, and in making other
compounds. It is also used in certain medical treatments. It occurs
in nature in volcanic regions. Thanks, Paul <Yes, this is the same
material... but NOT recommended... About the only time I was on
television was the "People's Court" re an "out of date" test kit set of
reagents and an Aquarium Pharmaceuticals "nitrogen cycle goosing"
product of this make... Very easy to poison the system... and totally
unnecessary. Do instead (unless this is an experiment) use some "fish
food", or better still, "live rock", even old substrate, filter media...
from an established "clean" tank (no parasite, infectious disease
agents) to help establish such cycling... Bob Fenner> Oyster
acclimatization (Re: Ammonia, sea food, etc.) Hi Robert, Using
a lot of your time today. Let me know if you mind, ok? :-) I read
your article on abalones, I wonder if these are available as part of the
food trade or the pet trade? <Yes... uh, both... produced (induced
spawning) for the food trade, secondarily for the ornamental...> I
have found two references that seem to confirm that you can keep a
regular old oyster alive in an aquarium. One even mentions that if you
get bored of it, you can even break out the Tabasco and do the
unthinkable... Here:
http://www.mdk12.org/practices/support_success/hsa/biology/oysters/natal/aquarium.htm
and here: http://www.fi.edu/fellows/fellow7/dec98/oysters/aquarium.html
They say not to expect awesome growth or anything, but that it should
live. Neither mention temperature; I keep my tank at 77 degrees. I
wonder if I should lower somewhat? All my animals should be able to
tolerate 75, even 73, I think. <Some species are definitely more
tropical... I'd investigate the one(s) you're considering.> They do
not mention, anywhere, about acclimatization. Your abalone article says
pretty much to throw them right in (did I misunderstand you? "I do not
endorse any special quarantine or preventative dipping procedures with
abalones[...] hold them near their new home...") <No, this is about
where I stand... much more frequently there's more to be lost than
gained in acclimating/quarantining mollusks (among other animal
groups)... unless you have a "farm" operation where you fear
introduction of pests, parasites... I would just temp./chem/physically
acclimate new specimens and introduce them to the main/display systems>
My concern is that of course the bivalve will be closed, and when it
opens, it'll take a huge drink of the new water, and go into shock. Is
there a known way to get around this problem with bivalves? Thanks,
Paul <You can, should drip acclimate a local specimen... like with a
piece of airline tubing... it will/should open... and flush whatever
out... don't introduce the mixed water. Bob Fenner> Re:
Ammonia, sea food, etc. Robert, 10-4. Thanks for your help; I
guess I won't be doing this! :-) <A relief to me> Look on the
bright side: with Judge Judy you would have lost anyway, but she would
have called you names and made a fool of you in the process. <Felt
very foolish just the same... Did "the greatest story ever told" in the
way of nitrogen cycling for Judge.W on the wipe off board (got cut for
showing), tried to explain that using the kit for measuring such high
concentrations (the fish were killed within a minute) was like "weighing
an elephant on a gram scale...", he even took a recess, called some of
the local fish shops in L.A.... (supposedly), still lost out... Oh well,
perhaps grist to the pet fish mill> I did find a source for
human-consumption grade NH4Cl. I don't know who eats this stuff! haha.
Anyway, does the fact that it's food grade alleviate poisoning concerns?
<No, just less impurities...> I really am OK with abandoning this
option, but I want to know as much as possible about why I'm abandoning
it...; Cheers, Paul <Take a look at the CRC manual, Index
Medicus... You're headed in the right direction... or at least I'm okay
company. Bob Fenner> A quick update and.....Thanks Bob
Just thought it was fair for you to know everything is going well now.
Ammonia disappeared.... Nitrite is at .1 and falling.... <Ah,
good> Nitrate fell from some ungodly number to 10..... So my
cycling tank is settling down. So now I am preparing for my first water
change next week. After that I'm going to add some hermits and snails in
hopes of cleaning up some of the algae that has appeared. After they
settle in for a couple of weeks, I think I'm going for a tank raised
clown or two. Anyway, thanks for all the help. It's really starting
to come together now.... Paul <Very good to hear/read my friend. Bob
Fenner> Real tank problems (ammonia poisoning) Robert,
I'm asking for your help once again. I obviously did a really bad
thing. I purchased 20 pounds of live rock last week and put it in my
75 gal. reef tank. Since it was sold as "fully cured" live rock and said
to be safe to put directly in your tank, that's what I did. I wasn't
aware of the need to check for increased ammonia levels. The day before
yesterday I got a shipment of 55 pounds of live rock. This rock has a
slight odor to it. <Ohhh, not a good idea to mix sources, so much
material in such a short period of space and time...> I put it in the
tank. After talking to a couple of people I was told to double check my
ammonia levels, so I did. Ouch! The ammonia level was at 3.0.
<Yikes.... and don't feed... leave the lights on some extra hours... if
you have/had another system, with the ammonia this high, I would have
moved the livestock.> My local pet store suggested doing a 50% water
change so I did. That was yesterday afternoon. The ammonia is still at
1.5 if not a little higher. <Yes, diluted by... half with the water
change> I'm wondering what is the best way of dealing with this
problem. A couple of things I'm contemplating are: 1. Keep doing
drastic water changes until the level are down. But I don't know at what
point ammonia and Nitrites are deadly to coral and inverts. <Deadly?
Depends on a few other factors, but NH3/NH4OH over 1.0ppm, nitrates
quickly escalating into the tens of ppm...> For how many days can the
levels be up before it effects them or kills them? <A little each
moment... a matter of hours to a few days for LD-50's generally> 2.
Taking some or all of the live rock and start cycling it in a big trash
container. <Probably a bit late here... do you have friends who can
lend you assistance? Like old filter media, bioballs, maybe a going
fluidized bed filter...> 3. Leave the live rock in the 75 gal. tank,
let it cycle. Take my most prized corals out and put it in my 20 gal
tank (that I use for a quarantine tank, it's not cycled) and hope
that the rest of the corals and inverts live. I have an octopus coral
that spreads out about 2 feet that I'd be crushed if it died. <Maybe
some of the more sensitive SPS... at this point "the damage" is likely
done... > What would you suggest? I've had my tank for 8 years and
obviously have a lot invested in corals, inverts and fish and I don't
want to loose them. Are there any products out there that will absorb
ammonia and Nitrites that would help? <I would go the "goosing the
nitrifiers" route... You could try to secure the "overnight" version of
Fritzyme (it actually works... as opposed to the shelf-stored products),
or Hagen's Cycle or such... in addition to the water change/serial
dilutions, non-feeding, leaving the lights on a few more hours, adding
used filter media/substrate/fluidized bed filter... I would avail myself
of all. Bob Fenner> Thank you for all your help. Jami Spitz
Questions about Cycling with Ammonia Hi Bob, <<Bob is out of
town until 12/7, JasonC here answering the WetWebMedia Mail.>> Any
news about your books (I need 2 of them) ?? The tank cycling is
progressing and I need some first class info.. <<don't know if your
order was processed before Bob and Di left town. Do check back after
12/7.>> To update you (and ask a question... you expected that,
didn't you ?). I have been using the fishless cycling and (after 10
days) the regular ammonia quantity I add is turned to nitrites in 1 day,
while nitrates are over the 50 mark. <<with regular ammonia from a
bottle, interesting. How much ammonia did you add?>> When I started
(after 3 days) I had NH3 = 4, NO2 = 0, NO3 = 0. Now (day 10) I have
NH3=0 (or very close), NO2 = 8 ppm, NO3 = >50 ppm. In this
environment I can't add a fish. <<no, you can't>> I was thinking of
adding the macroalgae now. There is some sort of brown algae growing
already.. The question is : will the brown algae consume the nitrates ?
<<no, it won't. A little more time should pop the NO2 down to zero at
which point you should probably do a water change [perhaps 25%] and then
add the macro algae.>> Don't you think 10 days is a bit short ??
<<have heard of, witnessed 24 hour cycles in tanks with lots of prepared
& cured live rock and sand. So who knows, certainly cycling with fish
takes the longest. Very curious to know more about the direct ammonia
method, if for any other reason than to get it on record for the
WetWebMedia readers, but certainly to fix my own > (You see, if I had
your book here, I would probably ask far less questions, if any !!)
<<yes, is an excellent title, but somehow I think this same question
would have come up, even with the book. Is a very interesting
question.>> George J. Reclos Ph.D. <<Cheers, J -- >>
Cycling a Tank with Ammonia Editor's Note: this gentleman is a
Pharmacist & Immunologist and as such is a professional with regards to
the procedures he describes. If you don't have the foggiest idea what he
is talking about, then don't try it at home! I started with a
solution which was supposed to be 20%. The solution was found to be 18%
after volumetric titration. After making the calculation to see how many
ppm correspond to that 18% I added enough micro liters (1 micro liter =
1 millionth of a liter) of this solution in a liter of double distilled
sterile water and used the kit I have to see when I would get a reading
of about 4 (with those colorimetric kits it is quite difficult to say).
Again the kit proved to be almost 30% off the calculated value but it
was used as a basis for the calculations since this would be used with
my tank water. Once this was achieved, I adjusted my calculations for a
level of 6 ppm and added the necessary quantity in my tank (I first add
the ammonia in 100 ml of water and then drop it in the tank). I repeated
this every two days. After the NH3 dropped to almost 0, I add the same
quantity every day. Of course, this would be far more accurate if one
was to know what is the anticipated amount of ammonia a fish will
produce per day. I think that 6 ppm in a 140 liter tank is a bit too
much for one fish. This means that the biological filter will be
calibrated for higher ammonia levels that the ones the fish will produce
therefore part of the colony will die - polluting my water. That is why
a fish cycling should be preferred but one has to work with what is
available to him !! Thanks for your information about the algae !! I
was under the impression that the algae being a plant would use the
nitrates found in the water column... <<and they will to a small extent,
but not to the level I think you were hoping for. Like any algae, they
prefer the various phosphors, but will gladly take it any way they can
get it as I'm sure you know.>> I was really surprised to learn that it
won't !! Will the macroalgae have a problem to compete with the brown
algae already installed in my tank (another very quick presence !!)
<<Usually, macro algaes get preferential treatment from the people
keeping watch, so it has a competitive advantage. You can also help that
along by vacuuming out the brown algae once the cycle is complete.>>
Note: You have to keep the concentrated ammonia solution in a tightly
closed bottle in the refrigerator. The colder the water the more ammonia
it can hold !! <<Thank you very much for the detailed explanation of
this whole thing. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Cheers, J -- >>
Follow-up on Cycling a Tank with Ammonia Hi Jason, <<Hi>>
Thanks for your kind words. I am preparing a "diary" which will appear
in our site at the end of the month. If you like you can copy and paste
it in your site or link to it. I send a notification to Bob at this
address so you will know !! It will be a small reward for letting me
use the information in WetWebMedia. George <<No really, thank you
for sharing - this is what helps glue this site all together. Thanks
again. Cheers, J -- >>
Ammonia emergency Hi Bob, <Anthony Calfo in your service while
Bob travels Australia taking more fantastic pictures for WWM. Although,
he did get some funny looks in the Public Aquarium with his tripod setup
while shouting at a porcupine puffer through the glass to "vogue" and
"give me pouty...now give me a pouty look!"> I was wondering if you
could help me. <I assure you... it is I that need help... hehe> I
have looked through the FAQ's and can't find a similar situation
(although I sure have learned a lot about other things!). This is a long
story, but I think you need to know the background to help. My husband
and I have a 90 gallon fish only tank. We have a wet-dry filter, a
protein skimmer, and a canister filter. (all rated for 90 gallons or
more) The first week that we set up the tank we added the sand, fake
corals, and water and let it sit for about a week. The second week we
added 20 lbs of live sand and 6 damselfish. 3 weeks into it we had not
had any readings for ammonia, nitrates, or nitrites. The people at the
aquarium store said that sometimes when you use live sand, you don't see
any ammonia spike. <ehhh...not exactly true. A lot of live sand can
temper a spike, but cured live rock is better and neither are likely to
great in a tank in one week (the time from week 2 addition to the
statement at week 3)> So that week we traded in 2 damselfish for a
Sailfin tang. A couple of days later, we brought back the other
damselfish because they were picking on the tang. We traded those in for
a pink-tailed trigger. The next week we added a flame Hawkfish and a
powder brown tang. So 5 weeks into this we had 4 fish and still no
readings for ammonia, nitrites, or nitrates. <wow...even in a fully
cycled tank...this is a lot of fish to add so fast. I understand your
eagerness... I certainly have been there too. I just wish that you
hadn't got the same bad advice that I did from salespeople all to eager
to make a sale> About 4 days ago (week 6), we had a big ammonia
spike, it was off the charts for our test kit. We did a 50% water change
this day) My husband added something called ammo-lock, which is supposed
to neutralize the ammonia. big mistake, I think because then we didn't
know what the readings were). <yes... a mistake indeed. Be sure to
use dry tab ammonia test kits now for accuracy with this in the water>
Yesterday we came home and the fish all looked dark and stressed. We
tested the ammonia, it's still off the charts. We did a 15% water change
yesterday, and then a 50% water change today. I waited a couple of hours
and tested again, still off the charts for ammonia with absolutely no
reading for nitrites or nitrates. <which indicated that you are
still early in the break in period> What is going on with our tank?
If it is just now cycling after 6 weeks, why don't we have any nitrites
or nitrates? <because they haven't been converted yet from ammonia>
Sorry this is so long, but I sure hope that you can help us. Thanks in
Advance! Amy <with the fish life being out primary concern we have to
way the stress of moving them again so soon with the stress of them
staying. For now, let me suggest that you get some fully cured live rock
(you must trust the retailer big-time here... clear water, no odor and
no ammonia in the rock tank). The live rock can bring in some
established bacteria to quickly and eagerly reduce the ammonia. You will
of course be doing some series water changes too. If this tempers the
spike in three to five days... ride it out. It may be very fine within 2
weeks. Else, reduce the fish load and build it back up slowly. Do
archive this site to set-up articles and ammonia FAQ's for more info.
Kindly, Anthony Calfo>
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