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FAQs on Genus Chaetodontoplus Angels Compatibility
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I really want a Personifer... 9/5/09
I have a 350+ gallon reef aquarium. (8.6 feet x 3 x 2.2). I currently
have it stocked with various SPS corals (Acros, Montis, etc.) along with
a few LPS such as frogspawn and hammer corals. My water quality
is good, ie very low nitrate (< 5), 10-11 Hardness, 450 Calcium. My
current fish are 3 yellow tangs, 1 purple tang, 1 Sailfin tang, 1 powder
blue tang, 1 chocolate tang, 1 Goldflake Angel (7"), 1 regal
angel (4"), 1 solorensis wrasse, 2 percula clownfish, and a large
magnificent Foxface. I want to add a Personifer and flame wrasse to the
mix. My Regal and Goldflake are very passive as Angels go, but is
a third pushing it too much?
<I think you'll be okay in this size, shaped system>
Will the flame wrasse be ok with the solorensis?
<Likely so as well>
I have searched everywhere for compatibility questions with angels, and
I know that it isn't a sure thing. I have had this set up for over 2
years without losing any fish, and I am just ready for a new challenge.
Eric Alspaugh
<A good choice. Bob Fenner>
Angelfish Inquiry Hi bob, I have a one year 300L old marine
tank and have just put in a Personifer (9cm) and scribbled (12cm) angel.
I have read places that these angels of the same species should not be
put together in the same tank. <yes... in most aquaria they will be
aggressive in close confines> They don't seem to be attacking each
other, in fact they seem to be getting on alright. <the problems
often occur as the fish mature> Have I made the wrong choice?
<very likely my friend> If so, I also have 600L coral tank, which one
should I move as to keep my coral intact? <neither are categorically
"safe" choices although either has been known to work in some reef
displays.> Thank You Ed Chiang <best regards, Anthony Calfo>
Chaetodontoplus Angels How dangerous are the Chaetodontoplus
Angels (specifically the Black Velvet/Gray Poma) in Reef Tanks? Are they
similar in nature to the Centropyge Angels? <Have seen the genus,
this species kept in very large (hundreds of gallons) reef systems with
stinging-celled life of all kinds... and seen it/them eating jellyfishes
(scyphozoans) in the wild with relish (not the condiment) and nibbling
on various species of soft corals (alcyonaceans). Bob Fenner> Thank
you, -Eric Chaetodontoplus Hiya Bob, Just wondering
what your you opinion on a C. melanosoma in an SPS reef tank. Couple
of years ago I tried a mesoleucus, but that picked. But then again, that
fish kinda sticks out of the Chaetodontoplus complex , doesn't it?
<Yes... the "oddball" of the group in appearance... but all members are
likely to chew on sedentary invertebrates of various sorts... have seen
them (just a week or two back in Australia) doing this in the wild. Bob
Fenner> regards, Jason Chaetodontoplus mesoleucus
Hi Bob, I have a 6 yr. reef tank w/ mixed coral population (mostly
SPS), mushrooms, , Cataphyll, and Caulastrea. ( 110g). Would it be a
mistake to add a Chaetodontoplus mes. to the system? <A medium one to
start with (3-4" should go) okay. It might pick on your corals in time,
but probably not.> I currently have a 6 yr. old Cent. argi, 2 g.
Chromis. and a 4" Golden wrasse -hall. species. I do have plenty of
turf algae and some unwanted Valonia, as well as some Sargassum growing
in this system. Also, what foods would I need if you think adding the
angel would be a good idea- would I need to get sponge, or Ocean Nut.
angel formula? <This species very often eats most any/all types of
foods> <Please read here re the genus and then back to the family in
general: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/chaetodonoplus.htm Be chatting,
Bob Fenner> Thanks for any help! Gary Pikarsky Singapore
angel Dear Crew, <Hi there> I ran across a
Chaetodontoplus mesoleucos at a LFS and had some questions concerning
it’s compatibility. I have a 37 gallon with an assortment of SPS,
LPS, some softies and a clam. Tank has been est. for several years.
There are 3 fish, a Sunburst Anthias and 2 yellow clown gobies. I
would like to add a compatible angel and was wondering if a Singapore
Angel would do fine in such a setup. Or want would you suggest?
<Not this fish... it needs more space than your system. Perhaps a "dwarf
dwarf" species like one of the smaller Centropyges if you had to have an
angel. Please see:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/centropyge/index.htm
Bob Fenner> Thanks much, Doug Re: Singapore angel
Bob, Thanks for your reply. I was certain that you would say that
that the Singapore would be too big. <It may be time for you to start
answering queries> Okay a "dwarf's dwarf", another LFS has a C.
Fisheri, C. Potteri (about 1 1/2 months in the store) and C.
flavicauda. Do I just flip a coin and go for it? <Not the Potter's.
Bob Fenner> Thanks again, Doug
Friends For An Angel Dear Scott, <Hello again!> I
went to the LFS on Friday and finally bought an angel. There were a
few different varieties there but the most striking was a Grey Poma.
I didn't really plan on buying this fish but they look so much
better in "person" than all the photos I've seen and it showed so
much more personality than the other dwarf angels on offer. <I
love this species! It doesn't get too large, generally feeds well,
and has fabulous colors (although not as flashy as some other
species> It is about 4.5 inches long, very healthy-looking with
bright colours. It was feeding in the shop and it has been
pecking the live rock and happily snapping up whatever food I put in
the tank (I have offered Nutrafin Spirulina flake and marine diet as
well as chopped prawns and a tiny bit of Banana) as well as
destroying a small native featherstars. <That's gonna happen
with this angel!> She is still a bit shy but is slowly starting
to come out of the rockwork and swim around the tank. <Really a
great choice. I'm sure that you'll love her!> I also bought ten
"boxing shrimp", they were 10 for $4 and the guy there said they
would be good for eating leftover food. They are between 2 and 3
inches long, transparent, light brown with burgundy spots with
elongated pincers. They readily consume any uneaten food and do not
appear to hassle the angel or each other. I will be getting a pair
of gold-banded maroon clowns next week but apart from them I am
not sure what other fish would make suitable inhabitants. I assume
the Poma will fight with other angels so what about some type of
butterfly or wrasse? <I really like Halichoeres species wrasses,
myself. Check 'em out!> The guy suggested a Bicolour Parrot but
those fish grow to 90cm. <Yep...Really not a good long-term
choice for most captive systems, IMO!> Do you have any other
suggestions for fish that will cohabitate with as well as compliment
these fish? <Well, there are literally hundreds of possible
choices. I really encourage you to check out some of the many neat
smaller wrasses, some of the more peaceful Dottybacks, blennies,
gobies, and many, many others! How was that for unhelpful!>
Thanks again for all your advice Yours Sincerely Adam Harbeck
<My pleasure, Adam! I love your Angel choice! Have fun looking into
the many other possibilities for companions for the angel! Good
luck! Regards, Scott F> Friend For His Angel? Hello
Scott, <Hi there!> Thank you again for your helpful replies.
Well the Poma and the clowns have not shown any sign of ich
reinfestation since I started medicating. <A good sign!>
However, I have dismantled my other tank (20 gallon ) and set it up
as a permanent quarantine/hospital tank, and this meant transferring
my unidentified (Chrysiptera?) damsel into the 6 foot tank. <You
know- it is not necessary to leave a quarantine tank up and running
on a permanent basis- just keep a sponge filter or other media in
the display tank, ready to go at all times, add some water from the
display tank, and there you go...> I did a big water change and
gravel-wash before I introduced him and he was fine on the first day
but the next day he had developed ich (the others were unaffected).
I have started treating the tank again (the hospital tank is not
yet up to scratch) and all the spots have gone. I am not going to
add anymore fish for at least three weeks so that hopefully the ich
does not re-establish itself. < A wise decision> I do not
think I would be able to get a cleaner goby as my dealer mostly
sells Indo-Pacific and Red Sea varieties as Caribbean stuff is
VERY expensive. <Just as well. Although cleaners can help, they
are not a sure cure for parasitic infestations> I will probably
get a pair or banded coral shrimp, I've had them before and they
look nice and they might do some occasional fish cleaning.
My family thinks that I need a blue fish of some type in there as
the rest blend into the rockwork from a distance. I like the regal
tangs but they would get too large for my tank and I don't think I
would take the risk when it comes to ich, I think a Bicolour Angel
would be more suitable but is it different enough in colouration to
not fight with the Poma? <Well, you can usually keep a
Centropyge with other genera of angels, but the Centropyge is
usually added first. It will be an interesting dynamic-one that you
will have to watch very carefully, so that you can intervene if
required> I have read nearly all the FAQ's on Bicolours and the
major problem seems to be getting them to feed. <In most
cases, this is the problem. Careful selection of your specimen, and
knowledge of its area of collection can help assure greater success.
Hopefully, you'll be able to support the "home team" and get an
Australian specimen, which, in my opinion, are of the best quality
and are almost always properly collected and handled!> If I made
sure to get one that was feeding and then isolate it for 4 or more
weeks in quarantine would it make a suitable, colourful addition to
my tank? As always, your advice is greatly appreciated. Yours
Sincerely Adam Harbeck <Well, Adam- as I mentioned before,
it is certainly possible to mix this fish with the Poma in a
sufficiently large tank. However, fish, like people, are
individuals, and you never know how they are going to respond. It's
just going to be one of those things where you'll have to roll the
dice, so to speak. If your tank is large enough, and you have enough
rockwork to break up territories, it may be workable. Id put the
odds at about 60/40 in favor of it working...Just know what you may
be getting into with this combination, and work out an "escape plan"
should it become necessary to remove the Bicolor. Good luck!
Regards, Scott F.> |
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For A Big Star (C. conspiculatus Angel) Hello All, <Hi
there! Scott F. with you today!> With your help from the website and
books, I have my 200-gallon aquarium ready and awaiting its first
inhabitant. I would like to house the Conspicuous Angelfish
(Chaetodontoplus conspiculatus) as the star of the aquarium and I would
like your advice on which type of fish I could put in the aquarium with
the Conspicuous Angelfish? Would one of the butterfly fish be possible
tank mate? The aquarium has been running since March and the marine
set-up includes a refugium, Euro-Reef skimmer, chiller, Live Rock and a
tank cleaner crew of crabs and snails. I also have a quarantine tank for
anything that will go into the main aquarium system. I know this
fish is expensive and I expect I will have to wait in order for this
fish to be the first in the aquarium since it is hard to locate a
specimen. Again, Thanks for your help, Gary <Well, Gary- I
certainly admire your choice for the star of your tank!. This fish is
absolutely worth the wait! Do try to get a juvenile or smaller fish if
you can, as they may adapt more readily to captive life than a
full-sized 10 inch adult. I think that a fish like this is so
spectacular that to put another larger beautiful fish would be
distracting! Rather, I'd opt for some smaller, colorful fishes, like
wrasses- such as Halichoeres chrysus (the "Canary Wrasse") or maybe a
small group of Fairy Wrasses (your choice of species). Make sure that
you choose tank mates that will not disturb the Angel. Other good
choices might be the Purple Firefish (Nemateleotris decora), or perhaps
some Cardinalfish (your choice). Some hardier Anthias might fit the
bill, too. These more diminutive fishes add interest and color to your
tank without detracting from the beauty of your "star"! Be patient, and
you will be rewarded! Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis in a captive reef? Gambling With
Corals (Risking A Large Angelfish With Invertebrates)? 1/16/08
Hey guys and gals: <Scott F. your guy tonight!> Simple
question. Is Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis an angel that can be
placed in a captive reef aquarium (90G) without being too
destructive? < I guess it's all relative..."Destructive" to some
reef people is the loss of one polyp of coral. Yes- fishes in this
genus will nip at all sorts of sessile invertebrates. It's rather
uncommon in the U.S. trade, seeing how it has a rather limited
distribution (mainly Southeast Asia and Japan). If you have a source
and are up to keeping this beautiful fish, the risk may be worth it!
My main concern is the size of the fish. This species can and will
hit around 10 inches, and a 90 gallon aquarium is simply not large
enough to house this species for anything close to a normal life
span, IMO. You really will need an aquarium that is six feet or
greater in length (preferably 8 feet), as they roam over large areas
of reef in nature, and they do like caves and crevices to hide in.>
I have a few LPS corals and a few softies (no SPS) and I'm willing
to tempt fate on one of my favorite fish of all time if it could
possibly be kept without tearing everything up. <A total dice
roll, my friend!> If the fish is well-fed enough (3 times daily
with New Life Spectrum pellets along with frozen foods -- all soaked
in Selcon), could it be somewhat trusted not to be a holy terror to
corals? I was thinking about keeping a clam, but I wouldn't trust a
large angel with a clam since I've seen first hand one getting
nibbled to death in the past and I'd much rather have a huge want of
mine in the septentrionalis if at all possible. <Again- there
is no guarantee. Even fishes with a "reputation" for NOT munching on
corals can turn on them. Like people, fish are individuals, and we
cannot expect them to conform to our behavioral expectations.>
It's either that, or I was thinking of going with a Pomacanthus
annularis which is my distant 2nd choice (but another gorgeous fish
to say the least) which I've read in the FAQ's is one of the 3 large
marine angels Bob would tempt fate with in a reef environment.- Jon
<Well, Jon, I have seen the P. annularis in reef systems. Again,
it's a gamble, but it's up to the hobbyist to decide his/her
threshold. A more pressing concern is the HUGE size that this fish
can attain (like 15 to 18 inches), and its need for correspondingly
huge quarters! Keeping one of these fish in anything less than an
aquarium of hundreds of gallons is cruel and unusual, in my opinion.
My advice to you, my risk-taking friend: Try fishes better suited to
the quarters that you can provide, such as a rare Centropyge species
(try pricing a C. hotumatua or C. joculator if you want sexy and
expensive!), which are just as challenging (and potentially
destructive to reef invertebrates), but generally max out at 4
inches or less. Regardless of what route you take, there are
tradeoffs that you must make, so be prepared and go for it based on
what is best for you and your animals. Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Jonathan Philpot
Re: Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis in a captive reef? Big
Angels- Little Angels! 1/17/08 Thanks for the quick response,
Scott. <MY pleasure! Didn't want to be a "buzzkill", but I just
felt that I needed to highlight a few things.> Question in
regards to P. annularis -- on the WWM site it's listed as a max-out
of 8 inches or so in captivity and I must say that I've never seen
one anywhere near the size you gave me (the 15-18 inches). The two
older specimens I've seen (one around 6 or so years old in the LFS
display tank of around 600 gallons and another in a 125 gallon tank
belonging to a friend of mine) have both been roughly the 8 inches
listed from what I've been able to tell. <I must be honest with
you- I have seen at least 3 specimens of this species well over 12
inches, and one that was darned close to a foot and a half. I'm
gonna render advice based on what I have seen. Sure, they may not
all reach that size, but the potential does exist...And you can't
ignore that, IMO.> But I've seen the fish listed anywhere from 8
inches to 12 inches and now you mention possibly a foot and a half
as well. A bit confusing (and trust me, I'm not doubting you -- just
confused by my own witness of the fish and by the multitude of
length listings out there in both print and online). I've also
seen so many different tank size suggestions which really makes it a
bit frustrating since I've had the possibility to attain a few nice
specimens at a reasonable price but passed because I've been so
confused! <I totally agree! It is confusing. I can only speak
from my experiences/observations. They can and do get quite large.
Always take any advice you find-mine or anyone else's-with a grain
of salt. In the end, you need to gather your information for
yourself, from sources you know and from personal observations, and
temper your decision with a healthy dose of skepticism. In the end,
go with what your observations tell you. However, always think of
the "end game" with large fishes. They need such large quarters to
live healthy, happy lives.> I'll probably pass on both large
angels until I can make a move to a larger aquarium in the future
and stick with the Centropyge angels that I've had success with in
the past. <I commend you on this decision. If you can house these
fishes successfully (and I have no doubt that you can), you will
enjoy much success, and the fishes will enjoy longer, happier
lives!> I do a lot of "trading" of fish with a few fellow
aquarists I know and trust so I've had quite a few species of fish
over the years and have kept my tanks pretty varied. <Cool!>
Thanks for the response, again, though. I'll likely give the
Centropyge potteri another go since I did have success in my first
go-around until my tank crashed in a very rare power outage. Though
I'd love to find the blue/black variant of it since it is a truly
magnificent coloration in my opinion (not that the normal coloration
isn't magnificent). - Jon <I hope you have every success, Jon!
I have seen a blue morph of the C. potteri in a store in Chicago,
and it was awesome! Probably a temporary aberration, but what a
beauty! Take care! Regards, Scott F.> |
Singapore Angel Compatability 02/06/2008 Hi Crew, <<Hello,
Andrew today>> I have been trying to determine if a Singapore Angel
would be OK in my tank. My main concern is with the corals. I have
Leather, Kenya Tree, Xenia, Yellow Polyps, Zoas, Mushrooms, Bubble,
Frogspawn, Torch, Galaxea, Hammer and Ricordea. I currently have a Flame
Angel and it seams he only nips the Xenia a little, but not enough to
kill it, just slow down the growth, which isn't too bad. Which corals do
you think would be most at risk? I know some large angels eat Zoas, but
do Singapores? <<Chaetodontoplus mesoleucus, verticulated angel or
Singapore angel is very nice fish indeed. Ensure you are strict on
getting and keeping this fish to eat. Very common for these to simply
not eat in the home aquaria an die. It is possible for these to pick at
sps and soft corals, however I do class them any more of a danger than
you other angel, the flame. As with a lot of angels, its a bit of a
gamble. Is it one your willing to take? Read more here and linked
articles and FAQ's.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/Chaetodonoplus/index.htm>>
Thanks, Craig <<Thanks for the questions Craig, hope this helps. A
Nixon>>
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