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FAQs about the Damselfish Selection

Related Articles: Damselfishes, Clownfishes, Jumbo Damselfishes

Related FAQs: Damsels 1Damsel Identification, Damsel Systems, Damsel Behavior, Damsel Compatibility, Damsel Feeding, Damsel DiseaseDamsel Reproduction

Do check references re the ultimate size of your damsels... some get quite large.

Chrysip-terror (see what I did there? :) ), sel.   4/26/08
Good evening,
The spring has sprung here in the UK, and it's a good time to sit by the tank with the windows open, birds singing and a nice glass of plonk.
My question is about damsel's, not the weather though.
How many Chrysiptera damsels would co-exist in an 80gal aquarium?
<Of what species? Some can be crowded a bit more than others... That being said, likely four to maybe six individuals>
They'd be sharing with some tough but non-too-aggressive fish... Papua Toby, wrasse, royal Gramma.
I have a couple of plans in mind.. Say for example you think 4 or 5 would be the maximum. Then I'd ideally like to go for something like 1 yellow tail, 1 azure and 2-3 Talbots, or another similar mix like 2 yellow-tail, 2 Talbots and 1 azure...
Am I crazy or just stupid to think I could have this many damsels in confined area?
<Mmm, no, not crazy. Make for an interesting display>
Reading through your site I'm struck by the impression that as mean as they can be to each other (looking at you, Mr Domino), these guys are social animals and much prefer squaring up to each other than peaceful loneliness...
<Agreed>
I'd really like to do these little gems justice, by getting the right mix and having an interesting, dynamic display.
Obviously, the tank would be well split up with live rock shaped into caves, valleys, walls and out-crops.
Anyway, keep up the good work!
Chris
<Thank you for your thoughtful query. Bob Fenner>

Re: Chrysip-terror (see what I did there? :) ), Damsel sel.  04/26/08
Thank you so much for your reply Bob.
<Welcome Chris>
Would it be a real dumb move to swap one of those Chrysiptera for a 4-stripe damsel? They're closely related to domino's I understand, and so could terrorise the others beyond healthy competition?
<Not so much this, but I would not swap out this genus for a Dascyllus... the latter are social animals... Really need to be kept in a group... Whereas Chrysiptera are individuals...>
Or do you think the mix and tank set-up could allow them all to function together?
I only have experience of yellow tail damsels so don't have any idea of how aggressive these humbugs get.
Cheers
Chris
<Some are true terrors... as you state, the Domino, Hawaii's endemic D. albisella... BobF>

Re: Chrysip-terror (see what I did there? :) ) 04/26/08
Thank you again for your speedy reply Bob, you just have to spend five minutes on wet web to see how busy you guys are.
<All volunteer... and/good that many folks here live in disparate time zones, countries... some coverage most all the time, eh?>
With regards to groups of 4-stripe...would that be a possibility in this tank?
<Mmm, yes... could have a small grouping, let's say 4 or 5 individuals...>
My initial idea of a damsel dominated tank could work with a school of humbugs instead of a variety of Chrysiptera's...
<Yes... and also very interesting to view>
If it is a possibility then how would I go about structuring it? Would, say, a small group of 3-4 humbugs work in this size (80g) tank?
<Yes... with two or three principal arrangements of rock, or better open, arborose skeletons or live corals (Acropora, Pocilloporids, Poritids...)>
If this is a possibility, would I be sentencing my yellow-tail damsel to a life of bottom-of-the-pile hell if I stuck him in with the humbugs, or do you think he'd just get his fair share of normal damsel attitude from the others in there?
<Likely it would be "the odd fellow out", but survive just the same>
That might be impossible to answer I guess. Maybe better to avoid any doubt and pack the little guy off elsewhere.
<Best to keep this option open>
Thank you so much for letting me pick your brain on this. I have a long run-up on getting this tank set up, so am trying to look at it from all angles and check the pro's and con's of each possible combination.
If you don't mind me asking, if you got the urge and was setting up a similar tank, what combination of damsels would you go with?
Cheers
Chris
<A tough one... but either of the presented choices would suit my "palate". Cheers! BobF>

Lots of Damsels!! 4-22-08
Good Morning.
<Hi! Having a rainy one here. >
Your guys have already helped me with a couple of questions. However I am now planning to get a bigger tank (going from a 39 gallon to an 89 gallon - wife permitting) and have begun the process of selecting a livestock wish-list for the new tank!
I'm trying to go for the philosophy of smaller fish rather than a few big ones...
<Sounds like fun!>
In my 39, I have a chromis, yellow-tail blue damsel, McCosker's Flasher Wrasse (currently 2 1/2") and Papua Toby (currently 3", fully gown?). I just wanted to say to anyone who hasn't checked them out yet, the flasher wrasse and Papua Toby are amazing fish in the flesh.
<I own a Solandri, which looks almost like the Papuan except for a few lines and I can agree they are very gorgeous fish.>
To these fish I am considering adding a Percula clown, 4-stripe damsel and Royal Gramma in the bigger tank.
<Adding more damsels and clowns can spark aggression. IMO, these fish will harass each other and other tank mates and may pose a big pain when you want to remove them. I would choose the clown out of the other damsels personally.>
Three questions: 1) Does that add up to too much fish?
<Not as long as you keep the damsels out of the equation.>
2) When the new tank is 6-months old I'd like to add a Mandarin goby... would that be sensible with so many established damsels? I had read that Mandarins are kind of ignored by most fish because of their quiet habits and nasty taste?
<I would recommend waiting a year for a Mandarin. They need established sumps to be able to provide them with their food source, pods and such. After this time adding one shouldnt be a problem at all as the others should leave him alone. The only one I would be concerned about is the Papuan. They do like to fin-nip.>
3) The main reason for my mail: Am I looking as a mass punch-up between the chromis, clown, yellow-tail and 4-stipe? I remember reading that a 20-gal per damsel space reduces fighting, but am I pushing it? The 4-stripe is the one that worries me the most, having no experience of these fish (and never considering them a good risk for a tank as small
as the one I have.)
<I have seen damsels cross tank lines to attack and harass other fish. Clowns usually stick to territories but damsels are reckless.>
Ideally it'd be great if they'd all mix together as I think I'd have a very active and interesting tank with the damsels all buzzing around,
the mandarin fluttering around the rocks and the wrasse zooming up and down the tank!
<You can add other colorful but less aggressive fish to your tank instead of the damsels, like Anthias, Gobies or Blennies. Most are hardy and easy to tend to.>
Finally, a question that I already know the answer to, but need to hear it to get the idea out of my head... a Picasso trigger would not be
appropriate for this tank, would it?!
<Not unless you are providing a free buffet of little fish. ^_^ He will definitely have to be left out of the equation. Hope that this helps, let me know if you have any more questions.>
Thanks
<Glad to help. Yunachin>
Chris

Re: Lots of Damsels 4-23-08
Thank you so much for your reply!
<Not a problem!>
I actually ordered a Solandri, but got a Papua instead... I'm quite pleased to be honest, although there's not much difference between the two.
<Spots vs. Stripes but still a lovely color combination.>
I'll take your advice on board.
How about this instead-
Papua Toby
Flasher wrasse
Yellow-tail damsel
3 chromis
3 bi-colour chromis
This was my back-up plan of a less aggressive damsel population.
<The chromis are not a bad idea, though watch for aggression from the Bi-colors as they age. Also the two groups may not get along with each other, and may even ostracize their own kind from the individual groups. All in all if there is any aggression whatsoever it will be amongst themselves and not to the other tank mates.>
Cheers
<Good Luck with your tank! --Yunachin>

Re: Lots of Damsels (More stocking options), sel.  4-23-08
Thank you again Yunachin! I do appreciate it.
<That's what I am here for.>
Aggression as they age? I have found it tricky finding information about the behaviour of Chromis dimidiata on the web, so was assuming them to
be as passive as Chromis Viridis, but if there's a chance they'll become more feisty with age compared to Viridis, then I'll steer clear of them.
<Let me say that IMO, there are very aggressive fish then there are passive fish in the same species. I do not want to deter you from having the fish of your choice, but it is good to know that there is a chance that they can get aggressive. Many people have clownfish, because they are so popular in the hobby, but many do not figure them to have little attitudes. Still people include them in their reef habitats and enjoy them for many years, some without a peep of a problem. I believe that all fish can experience different behavior and it can vary from hobbyist to hobbyist. That is what is so fun about this hobby!>
Final list is now looking like:
Papua Toby
Flasher wrasse
Yellow-tail damsel
5 chromis
Royal Gramma
How would a dwarf angel get along with this grouping do you think? Is
that pushing the bio-load on an 80 gal?
<I do think it is pushing it a bit, with the 8 fish and the puffer putting off incredible load. What kind of filtration do you have?>
Anyway, I'll stop hogging your time.
<Never hogging my time my friend, I live life breezy.>
Cheers
<Cheers Indeed! --Yunachin>
Chris

Lots of Damsels (Stocking Options 2)  4-23-08
Hi...
One more question! You suggested possibly Anthias? Are Anthias ok on their own or would I need to get a group? If so, what's the minimum? I'm thinking here of Squampy Anthias or something equally hardy (staying away from the lovely but fragile Ventralis-types. )
<I love Anthias! They do well in groups, I have 3 Lyretails (Pseudanthias squamipinnis), one male and two females and I have never had any problems. They are shy at first but they come out of hiding eventually. A good addition to the tank instead of the Chromis if you like.>
Cheers
<Can't wait to see this tank when it is done.--Yunachin>
Chris

Marine Tank Cycling 4/12/08
I have a 46 gallon salt water fish tank with a wet/dry filtration system that I started 40 days ago. I started with 8 damsels now I have 3.
<Way too many damsels to start out or end up with in this tank. Damsels are good for cycling only if you want Damsels!>
I started with tap water and mixed with salt. I have fake coral and dead rock as decorations. The water temp stayed around 80 degrees and I took the hood off about 4 days ago and now it hovers around 76 degrees.
<Good.>
I was told the tank would go through a spike and then level out in about 3 to 4 weeks but my nitrate and ammonia levels are still high.
<Hmm, what do you have for filtration? Some dead rock sitting in the tank wont cut it.>
I have also read you should keep either 1" or 4" inches of crushed seashells in the tank with nothing in between and I currently have 2.5" to 3". Should I reduce the amount of crushed seashells in my tank?
<Yes, I would to less than an inch. Better yet, switch to a finer sand substrate. The problem with the crushed coral substrate is the accumulation of detritus. Be sure to at the very least gravel vac with your water changes.>
I want to take out the fake decorations and add live rock and live corals.
<The live rock will greatly benefit your tank. As far as corals, get your current problems sorted out and research regarding lighting, filtration, and water flow before you take the leap. Do also research the needs/compatibility of every coral or fish you add in the future.>
I have read that adding cured live rock will cause further nitrate and ammonia spikes.
<It can, truly cured rock will not create too much of a spike, if any at all. LR will also provide the filtration (combined with water flow around) required to get the ammonia and nitrite levels down.>
Is it best to add all of the live rock in at one time or should I add little by little or does this even make a difference?
<Add it all at once to your tank if it is indeed cured. If it is not cured you will want to cure it outside your tank, for the sake of the remaining Damsels.>
Also should I wait until the nitrate and ammonia levels level out or should I do it now?
<The sooner the better.>
How many pounds should I add to the tank per week if I can add a little each week?
<Add all you want now.>
Thanks,
Todd White
<Welcome, good luck, Scott V.>
http://wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_2/cav2i3/Live_Rock/live_rock.htm

Stocking question: Chromis in a 36G  3/2/08
Hello,
<Ron>
I have a stocking question on my system.? It is a 36 gallon aquarium (Tunze Nano skimmer, Emperor 280) that has been up and running for 8 months with the original inhabitants (1 small red legged hermit, 1 True Percula Clown), a few Nassarius snails and a Camel shrimp.? I have converted over from the original crushed coral to a shallow aragonite sand substrate and am switching over from the original red lava rocks to some Marco rock dead rock and will add live rock in the near future. I have recently acquired a small QT tank (12 gallon Eclipse) that has just finished cycling using a frozen shrimp.
Looking for a new addition to be a peaceful, colorful and active addition.?
I was considering a pair of Blue/Green Chromis as I like its attributes, but then began reading.? I believe three is too many for a 36G system, two is not preferred as odd numbers seem better to divide up any aggressions and a single one does not seem the best either for they prefer to be in numbers.
<Is really too small period>
Which of these (1,2,3) is the least of the evils, or would I be better off passing on the Chromis and going with another route?? Overall I will look for 3-4 fish total for the system, and would like all to be reef compatible should I eventually add a coral in there.
<Mmm, depends on the species... I would avoid C. viridis et al. large number in schools types... Perhaps some more solitary Chrysiptera genus would be better...>
Some others I am considering are: Royal Gramma, Firefish Goby, Fridmani Pseudochromis (although these seem pricey).
<Please read re on WWM...>
I would appreciate any suggestions you could make to the Chromis plan or another peaceful/lively combination.
Thanks,
Ron???
<Enjoy the research. Bob Fenner>

More Fish? (Cont'd.)   1/3/08
Thanks for your reply Scott
<You are quite welcome.>
Do you think I could add 3 fish in addition to the Fridmani?
<Small fish would be better...The Chromis would work, and I suppose the Fridmani as well...but that's it!>
If not, then I suppose that rules out the Chromis. They should be added in odd numbers right? starting with at least 3?. Thanks in advance Michael Fick
<Yes, Michael, I'm a big fan of using odd numbers with Damselfishes of any kind. This will serve you well! Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>

Stocking question, small reef, and FYI, re: der. of Yasha haze...  4/24/07
Hello Crew,
<Eric>
Long time reader, first time writer here.  (Actually, I wrote about a week ago and didn't receive a response, so I'm trying again.)
<Good>
I have a 7 gallon (5 gallons of water) tank (30cm x 30cm x 30cm) with a little under 3kg of live rock, a Stonogobiops yasha and an Alpheus randalli.
  Lighting is 40W of compact fluorescent.  All filtration is biological via the live rock, and I have a power head and a hang-on filter with the media removed which combine to circulate the water 25 times per hour.   Ammonia and nitrite are at zero and nitrate is at 5ppm.  SG is 1.024 and pH is steady at 8.3.  Alkalinity is at 4 meq/l.  (All data is from Red Sea tests.)
Can you recommend a second fish that will be comfortable in this size tank?
<Some of the very small, easygoing Pomacentrids, Apogonids, Blennioids, Gobioids... many possibilities>
The aquarium stores I've visited here in Japan have made all sorts of suggestions, but I'm pretty doubtful about all of them.  I'd really like to find a compatible fish to add, preferably one that is a free swimmer, because the tank seems lonely with the goby and shrimp hiding almost all of the time.
Also, FYI, I see lots of different spellings, variations on the common name for Stonogobiops yasha, and I thought you might be interested to know that the fish's common name in Japanese is "yasha haze"  "Haze" is pronounced "hah-zeh" and means goby, so the term "yasha haze goby"@is actually redundant.  "Yasha" is a female demonic warrior deity, and I assume that the goby gets this name from its bright red stripes and spiky dorsal fin.
<Thank you for this>
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Yours,
Eric Anderson
Zushi, Kanagawa Prefecture, Japan
<Bob Fenner, Holualoa, Big Island, Hawaii>

Re: stocking question and FYI  4/25/07 
Mr. Fenner (or which ever member of the Crew can respond),
<Eric>
Thank you very much for your guidance. Of the genera you mentioned, I am most interested in the Pomacentrids. After a quick check of the area LFS's, I found that the only member of the genus immediately available is Pomacentrus alleni.
<Is a very good choice... as might be some of the small/er Chrysiptera... Talbot's, C. taupou...>
My wife and I both think the fish is very attractive and would like to move forward, but I thought it best to check back with you once more to confirm that this is a suitable choice. The FAQs on WWM regarding this species seem to indicate that this is a less aggressive member of the genus, but also that it often does best when kept alone.
<Yes>
In your opinion, will it and my yasha goby get along? I also found references on the Web stating that the minimum tank requirement for Pomacentrus alleni is 30 gallons, although I also found examples of people keeping them successfully in nano tanks. Should I be concerned about this?
<I do give you very good odds here>
I apologize for taking up so much of your time. Once again, many thanks for providing such a useful resource!
Regards,
Eric Anderson
<Doh tashi mashiite my friend. Bob Fenner>
P.S. If this message does get to Mr. Fenner, I hope you had a safe trip back to the mainland! Also, do you ever come to Japan for speaking engagements?
My wife and I would love to attend.
<Mmm, haven't been to Japan for more than transiting for years... and never to make presentations other than on Nishikigoi, pond issues... Doomo. Bob Fenner>

Atlantic Blue Chromis (Chromis cyanea)  4/14/07
Wet Web Media -
<Mmm, is this the person who was chatting with Morgan Lidster... (Inland Aquatics)... He and I talked on the phone yesterday re this species...>
I have a question concerning the mortality rates of the Atlantic Blue Chromis.  I have designed and setup a 90 gallon reef tank as a niche biotope to the Northern Gulf of Mexico.
<Neat>
The tank was setup a year ago and invert and sponge growth has been great.  The rockscape will feature large boulder type layouts and will feature 3 Pacific Montastrea corals, a couple of Porites and a lone Gorgonia.  One of the Montastrea's is farmed and I was able to acquire 11 frags from the same mother colony to simulate one coral dominating the area, with the others scattered in to give some color and texture.  Other inverts would be the Orange White Claw Hermit (C. tibecins?), Coral Banded Shrimp pair and a dozen Cerith snails (they should breed to a stable population up or down depending on the algae available).
The fish plan was to feature a pair of neon gobies and a school of 7 blue chromis (C. cyanea).  All my research on the web and in books indicates everything should be okay and my biggest problem will be that they may not school once comfortable in captivity,
<Perhaps in time...>
not a concern to me.  However, in looking for a source to purchase these fish, I am finding that they are in fact difficult to keep.
<Mmm, yes... I think this is mainly due to the fact that this fish is poorly handled post capture/collecting... but it also does not adapt easily to captive conditions>
  This is the first I have heard of this and I see no references to this, not even on this site.
<Mmm: http://www.google.com/custom?domains=www.WetWebMedia.com&q=chromis+cyanea&sitesearch=www.WetWebMedia.com&client=pub-4522959445250520&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3A99C9FF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en>
What are the issues with keeping these fish?
<This fish? As stated above... it doesn't "like" being netted... like Zanclus, Dascyllus albisella, a bunch of other examples... it seems to die easily from "stress"...>
The tank is pretty much dedicated so it would not be much effort for me to meet any known special requirements.  Is there anything special I need to do?  Is my fish stocking plan destined to fail?
<Mmm, not necessarily... I think you have better chance than most all folks here... with your biotope of size, age... Just need to find someone willing to ship you the Damsels. I'd try contacting some of the "diver-direct" sources in Florida...>
If I need to change my fish stoking list, can you recommend another fish in the Gulf that would do well with my plan (perhaps the Purple   Reeffish)?
Thanks,
Chris Sanchez
New Orleans
<Mmm, well, there are always "standard" animals from here like the Pearly Jawfish... But do try the Chromis... Bob Fenner>

Re: Atlantic Blue Chromis (Chromis cyanea)   4/16/07
Bob Fenner, thanks for your reply.  Being that there are no other fish in my aquarium, would you still recommend quarantine?
<With this species, situation, no>
  My concern is that quarantine will cause additional stress that may lead to a higher likelihood of mortalities since QT tanks are seldom as large and as mature as the display tank.
<We are in agreement here>
  For example, I use a 3 gallon for coral quarantine with no skimmer or live rock and perform daily water changes.  A school of chromis would not do well here so I would need to start over on the QT setup.  What would you recommend as the minimum quarantine standards if I were to get the Chromis five at a time?
<I would still directly place this number, species, in the ninety posited, w/o quarantine... in batches>
Tank size, equipment, rock/substrate, aged (1 month, 3 months...)?  
Thanks Again.
Chris Sanchez
New Orleans
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>

Compatibility Questions   4/1/07
Hi,
<Hello, Mich here.>
I have a 38-gallon saltwater aquarium and I've been thinking about what I should place in the tank.
<Researching first is the correct first step.>
It contains a firefish goby, and a yellowtail damselfish. Should I add more damselfish?
<I would not.  This is quite a small tank.  I would choose something different.>
Some sites, such as LiveAquaria, states that these damselfish are best kept in groups.
<Depends on the damselfish.> <<Species... mostly. RMF>>
However, some websites suggests it should be kept alone, unless in a large tank. Should I add a different fish?
<Yes, this is what I would do.  There are many wonderful possibilities.  Please do your research before accepting responsibility for care.  Many fine gobies, blennies, Cardinalfish, grammas, or maybe even a most entertaining Jawfish if you have a deep sand bed and a tightly covered tank.>  
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
<Welcome  -Mich>

Damsel tank... comp. mostly   1/19/07
Hi all, I can't say enough about this site, and the help it's been for a newly converted African tank to salt.
<Glad you have benefited>
My problem is compatibility with damsels or the lack there of.  I love the size, shape, and spunk of this fish type, but will I be able to
have an all damsel tank?
<Mmm... some species are more social... some schooling... But most are rather territorial... Need to research their natural compatibility, or guess at mixing on a per-species basis... provide sufficient suitable habitat (size, type)... and introduce the more peaceful first...>
Most stores in the Cleveland area just ask "Why would you want damsels in the first place?".  Is this possible and what types?
<Is possible... I'd look to species found in/about the "Wallace Line"... countries like Indonesia, Malaysia... you can search by country, re-sort by family... on Fishbase.org... Though then you will have to seek the particular species (or close ones... see the volumes of Gerald Allen re Pomacentrids) that you can acquire>
I have a 120 with 150 lbs of limestone and crushed coral (many hiding places).
Thanks for the help, Brian.
<An adventure awaits you... intellectually as well as human-endeavour. Bob Fenner>

Yellowtail damsels in a 29? Not advised   9/27/06
Hi Bob. Great website. I just set up a 29gal. saltwater tank with 20 lbs. of live rocks. I only want Yellowtail Damsels in this tank. Because I know that they are very hardy and can be in groups.
<Mmm... are feisty with each other though... particularly when/where crowded in a small volume...>
My question is: How many Yellowtails can I put in my tank?   Thank you.
<I would look for other livestock for this small system. Please start reading here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/smmarsysstkgfaqs.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>

Chromis Query ... id, comp., sel.   4/8/06
Hi Y'all,
<Chris>
I'm just wondering if you could clarify any differences in suitability/temperament with Chromis or point me towards somewhere I can
find more info - I have checked the WWM pages and FAQs already (& other sources) but can't seem to find the answers I seek.
<... What little we have should be in the coverage, subFAQs coverage by the genus, family: http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/part2.htm
Scroll down to the Damsels, genus...>
My query is specifically around the differences between Blue-Green Chromis (C. viridis?), Blue Chromis (C. cyanea?) and the Green Chromis
(with black spot at base of pectoral fin?) (C. atripectoralis?)
<These are the most common species associated with these names... though there are often others>
I have seen recently Chromis labeled as blue Chromis which looked (in my humble opinion) nicer than the blue/greens, it is difficult to tell from
the picture on your Chromis page but the fishies that I saw had markings similar to blue devil damsels around the eye - small black splotch/band
- does this fit with how blue Chromis are generally marked?
<Mmm, if you mean mis-marked, labeled and/or appearing, yes>
The colour of these fishies was consistent with the deeper blue (as on your page) than the blue/greens.  How do I differentiate between blue/greens and
greens - is this the Pec fin black spot?
<Not definitive... unfortunately. Some batches, source locations have this spot, others no.>
Mainly my query is around the temperament of these fishies and any variances amongst variety - I am planning three of a single species for
my new tank (a month or two before I start stocking yet - still working on the lists!) They will be sharing the tank with 2 Black & white
Clowns, a couple of Banggai Cardinals & either a Flame Angel or a Coral Beauty (being tempted by the Coral B here) along with mainly SPS coral.
On the basis of aesthetic value I am leaning towards the Blue Chromis (assuming you confirm that the fishies I saw labeled as such with the
eye markings are indeed likely to be Blue Chromis) however behaviour and temperament (particularly as these are damsels!) are more important to
me as I want all of my charges to co-exist as harmoniously as possible! On this basis is there much to choose between the blue, green/blue and green?
<Viridis are the easiest going, most likely to mix with its own species, others... Cyanea next, Atripectoralis last... though all three of these Chromis are far to the left in terms of the spectrum of Pomacentrid aggressiveness. The short answer here is I'd go with the Blue-greens if this were a concern. Bob Fenner>
Many thanks as ever
  Chris

Allen's Damselfish/Availability  2/18/06
Hi Bob ...<James today.>
Where can I get a few Pomacentrus alleni (Allen's damselfish)?    
they don't seem to available here in Lemont Il. <Drs Foster & Smith have them. Using the Google tool will produce plenty of sources.  James (Salty Dog)>
thanks, <Welcome>
David

Darkening Chromis  12/21/05
Hi Crew, I recently purchased thirteen green chromis to start off the  system in my 330 gallon tank. They all looked great except for one who was  missing
his upper lip and an 1/8 of his right pectoral fin.
<... such "cut" damsels should be avoided... all in a batch>
This didn't  seem to be a problem as he was active and feeding well. Today I noticed  that he is almost completely tinted a smoky black color (he looks like he is  dirty). His eyes are also brown or black, even in the iris.
<Good descriptions>
I am feeding  the school an enriched flake food that helps prevent color loss and he has been  eating just fine. One of the others also appears to be beginning to be darkly  tinted and I don't want it to spread. Is it anything I need to be concerned  about?
<Oh yes... whatever predisposing factor/s are at play (likely rough handling, starvation... possibly cyanide or other toxic capture technique...) may spell the end for this group of Chromis... Only time can/will tell. You can read more re Damsel, Chromis Selection, archived in the FAQs on WWM. Bob Fenner>

Damsels. LOTS of Damsels!  12/13/05
Good afternoon! I have a 46 gallon that I was thinking about turning
into a damsel tank. Is this a good idea? <Why not? They're fun, hardy, cheap, bite hard, and quite pretty when they're little.> If so, which ones have to be added last. <They're all mean. Stocking order will probably not make a difference. But I'd say the "humbug/domino" and "blue devil" might be the worst, and thus go in last.> Thanks for your help. <Have fun! Wear armored gloves when you work in the tank! Hehehe. -Zo>

More Damsels= More Problems?  11/16/05
Hello crew
<Hi there! Scott F. here today!>
- need your wisdom once again. I have a 55gal semi-aggressive FOWLR tank. The fish are all over 3" (Maroon Clown pair, Coral Beauty, Yellow Tang).  I would like to liven it up a bit with a few Damsels (I don't mind squabbles but not to the death). They're feisty especially against the same species. 
<Yes they are>
Though the Yellowtail Blue Damsel can chill.
<Most of the time, anyways!>
Can I have 2 of each or just 1 of each - or not mix? Or should I keep an odd number? Thanks again!!! Anthony
<Well, Anthony-if you're inclined to keep damsels in your system, I'd always recommend keeping them either individually, or in odd-numbered lots (3, 5. etc.) to help disperse their aggression. On the other hand, your tank is pretty well stocked, IMO, and the addition of a number of Damsels into this tank will not only result in a very aggressive environment, but may push you over the edge from a bioload standpoint. I'd be inclined to add only one to this tank at this point. Three is possible, but you'd be pushing it, IMO. Best of luck! Regards, Scott F.> 

Cycling without Live rock: You still dont need livestock  10/31/05
Hi,
<Hello Patrick.>
I will be cycling 135 gallon saltwater tank using the damsel method. 
<O boy.>
I chose this method because I am unable to acquire live rock due to lack of money, and would like to have the damsels anyways. I am planning on using green Chromis (Chromis viridis) to cycle the tank, so I can have a nice school of them later. 
<Live rock and using fish are not the only ways to cycle a tank. You simply need a waste source, anything form a sample of substrate from a friends tank to some fish food will work. While live rock is the preferred media you can use other porous surfaces for bacteria to cultivate such as base rock and bio-media.> 
<<LR provides an inoculation of bacteria, housed within its pores (this may or may not include the anaerobic bacteria necessary to further break down nitrate into its individual components).  It does not provide the bacteria with food sources sufficient to maintain the colonies in situ, or to bring these colonies up in numbers sufficiently in order to add fish and avoid the rise in nitrogenous wastes.  A sample of substrata would again be used to inoculate, but does not provide food sufficient to maintain or bring up the size of these colonies.  Food that will decompose is what is necessary.  MH>>
How many of these fish would you recommend using? 
<None.> 
If I don't only use the green Chromis, I am considering doing a combination of both green Chromis and blue reef Chromis (Chromis cyaneus). 
<May run into problems with that mix.> 
If I do the combo how many of each fish would you recommend? 
<To cycle? None.> 
And would they school separately? 
<Have not personally observed this mixture in captivity but generally schooling fish tend to just-hang-out in captivity, excluding very large tanks.>
Thanks, Patrick
<Research WWM Re: Marine cycling. Youre welcome, Adam J.>  

Aggression and Compatibility  9/24/05
<Adam J with you.>
Two quick questions.  
<Ok go for it.>
We've got a 120 Gal FOWLR with a purple tang,
dwarf zebra lion, H. ornatissimus wrasse, Forcipiger BF, and three or
four small asst. damsels.  Water parameters are great.  The issue is
between the purple tang and the BF.  They got along great when they
were introduced.  About a week or two later, the tang started
following around the BF and occasionally nipping.
<The purple tang and others in the Zebrasoma genus can be quite territorial.>
This calmed down quite a bit in a day or two.  That was a few weeks ago.  All of a sudden, I noticed this morning that most of the BF's beautiful tail
was shredded!  Must have been the tang -- it was also suddenly
chasing around the damsels, too (never seen that before).  Could it
just be hungry?  It attacked the Nori I put in, and seemed to calm
down a bit.  Any suggestions?  We love that tang.
<There are many methods suggested to quell fighting amongst tank mates, and you can find those here on the FAQ’s at WWM, my favorite one is rearranging rockwork and thus creating a new territory. However these methods are still not guaranteed and it may be necessary to remove the victim or aggressor permanently.>
Also, I was wondering if Talbot's damsel was "calm" enough to keep
with two clown gobies (yellow and green) in an 11 gal nano reef (15
lbs of live rock, lots of hiding places).  I had a C. hemicyanea in
They’re previously, and had to remove it because it made the gobies
"nervous".  Sounds like Talbot's is a more placid fish.
<They are much more social than most of their Damsel cousins, however they too can be quite territorial at times. To increase your chances of pulling this off I would add the gobies first (if you don’t already have them) allow them get established before adding the damsel.>
Thanks,
Dan
<Anytime, Adam J.>

Schooling Chromis - 9/14/05
Hello Robert and Gang (or Crew, whichever you prefer)!
I have a 150 gallon tank and I was hoping to add a small group of Chromis viridis (5 fish) and Chromis cyaneus (3 fish). <Should be fine. I would maybe add the them all at once if your filtration can handle the load (likely if you aren't saturated fish wise) or I would add them in order you specified 5 Viridis and then 3-4 Cyaneus>  I've read on WWM, among other places, that these two species are more likely to form a shoal, or even school, when they feel threatened. <May shoal without bullying or predatory threats> I guess my question is: how aggressive of a fish will it take to threaten/frighten them into this behavior? <Likely a predator of some sort.> Would either of the damsel species Amblyglyphidodon aureus (Golden) or Dascyllus marginatus (Marginated) do the trick? <Not in my opinion but putting a fish or any animal under any amount of stress in a closed aquarium is just not proper in my opinion. Especially if just for aesthetics. Unfortunately, it happens all too often even at the top level. I don't mean to condescend or chastise, but I really have a hard time with actually accepting this type of configuration. We are all guilty of it at some level, though. Try to see if they will school before stress induced shoaling> Any other small, hardy fish come to mind? <For schooling I think your best bet is the Chromis. ~Paul>
Appreciate you!
-Trent

Fish Stocking Density  09/13/2005
Hola. I read on the site that the general rule of thumb for stocking an
"average" marine aquarium is around one cubic inch per five gallons
(potential volume or actual volume?)<tank size volume> . Are you sure this isn't
longitudinal inches (of a fish of "average" width) per five gallons? <I'm sure> I
mean, this is the way I was taught when I first got into aquaria.
Here's an example...
Say you've got a 50 gallon marine aquarium (with good equipment,
maintenance regimen, etc. -an "average" marine aquarium). Now, the way I
was taught is that you can only stock this average tank with around 5
two-inch average-sized fish-let's say Chromis viridis-if you hold true to
the 5 gallon per longitudinal inch rule. Although with the stocking
levels suggested on WWM, you'd be able to stock around 15 two-inch
Chromis (because a two-inch Chromis, on average, is probably only about
1/3 of an inch thick and therefore 3 two-inch Chromis amounts up to about
two cubic inches of fish and your allowed to have 10 cubic inches of fish
per 50 gallons, therefore 15 fish). <By cubic inch, I'm saying that if you had a one inch cube, you could easily compress a Chromis into it with room to spare.  Consider that a two inch long puffer carries more body weight than a two inch goby, so length of fish is not very realistic in this regard.  The more mass a fish has the more waste it will produce. So a two inch puffer is going to produce more waste than a two inch goby, and waste is what we are concerned with when establishing stocking levels.>
I don't know about you guys, but 5 Chromis sounds like a more realistic
number (although a little on the understocked side) than 20 for this tank.
So do you think the "right" number of fish for this tank would be 5, 20,
or somewhere in-between? <I would say ten Chromis' in a 50 would be safe> <<I wouldn't place more than 5... of easygoing species. RMF>>
Thanks in advance for any help you can give, you guys are great. -Trent <You're welcome.  James (Salty Dog)>

Blue Damsel school?  9/8/05
Good Day to all, I have a 300 gallon live rock with fish tank. The inhabitants are Blue Tang, Yellow Tang, Yellow Watchman Goby, false percula, wrasse, Black Cap Basslet. I have purchased three blue damsels for schooling addition. Will they tend to school in this size tank or separate? Will they be ok with the other fish in the tank? Thank you for your time.  <There are several fishes sold as "blue damsels".  Most are aggressive, especially to each other and although they may school when small, they become territorial loners when they get larger.  They may become aggressive toward some of your other smaller fish, so do keep an eye on them.  If you want schooling fish, look to the Chromis'.  Best Regards.  AdamC.>

Damsel Aggression...Is It Real? - 09/07/05
I have a 39 Gal FO tank, with an Ocellaris Clown Fish, a Scarlet  
Cleaner shrimp, and some Blue Leg Hermit Crabs.  I am considering the addition of an Orangetail Blue Damsel, but am worried about  
aggression.  Is everything I hear about Damsels true or do people  
exaggerate?  Do you think it would get along with my Clown?  I really like that blue :).
<<Damsels are considered by most to be aggressive by nature...and some species are more aggressive than others (e.g. - Domino and Humbug).  The Orange-tail Blue Damsel is a truly beautiful little fish, and as far as damsel aggression goes, rates toward the lower-middle end of the scale in my opinion.  That's not to say they are pushovers, but given some space they seem to be more tolerant than many other Damsels, saving their aggression for others of the same specie.  I have two of my own (males I think) that get along fine; though they are housed in ten-times your water volume.  My point being that "space" can go a long way toward tempering aggression.  Your tank "may" prove to be to small, but given the fact the Clown is already established (and Clowns are scrappy little Damsels in their own right) I would consider it worth the risk.  In fact, you may find the Damsel running from the Clown at first.>>
If not what suggestion would you have on other blue fish, that would get along?  Can't seem to find that many.  
<<Hmm...have experienced this issue/phenomenon myself.  Tangs are definitely out (tank is too small)...might try searching through the available Gobies in the trade...though you won't find anything as "blue" as the Damsels.>>
Thanks
<<Welcome, EricR>>

How many green Chromis - 6/2/05
I have a 30g saltwater tank with 20lbs of live rock and 2 false perc clowns, 1 watchman goby, 14 hermit crabs, 3 snails, and 2 cleaner shrimp...was thinking of adding a small school or green Chromis...not too many because I also want to add a flame angel or royal Gramma in the future <Easy question for me. I might catch some flack but this is from my experience....I would not add a single Chromis or flame and go for the Gramma. The flame angel will get fairly large for such a small tank and sometimes will bully. The Chromis can be sensitive and would need to be added as an odd number grouping. Just a lot of stress if they are not real healthy. Quarantine is always necessary. The grammas stay relatively small and are quite hardy. Captive bred is usually best.> ...my question is what would be a good amount of green Chromis to add without over crowding my current tank so I can add at least one more if not 2 more in the future? <Go for the Gramma. Keep the fish small. Chromis tend to in-fight and if you must add Chromis then I would add 3-5 no more, no less. No flame in my experience. Gramma if you don't add the Chromis. A lot to think about but you will be glad as you will likely suffer less frustration from death and have room for the inhabitants. Thanks for being part of it all. ~Paul>

Damsel Tank
Hello Crew!!!!
Hope everyone is doing well today. One day closer to a 3 day weekend!!! WOO HOO!! My question is a simple question. I have a 56 gallon tank that I'm currently using for freshwater fish. I think the dimensions are 30" x 18" x 24". After the freshwater fish retire, I want to convert that to saltwater. I am also starting a 40 gallon saltwater tank. I would love to have damsels, but I've had my share of experiences with these mean fish and I don't want any in my 40 gallon community saltwater tank.
How many damsels could I have in the 56 gallon? 
<Depends on full growth size. Figure one cubic inch of fish per five gallons of water.>
Could I keep one of each species that I am interested in? These are the species that I would love to have in this tank. Yellow Belly Blue Damsel, Starcki Damsel, Talbot Damsel and maybe a Scott's and/or Tasmanian Devil Damsel. All of these fish are pictured on http://www.petsolutions.com.  All of the fish, I'm assuming, would have to be added at the same time to avoid future conflicts. 
<Good idea adding all at once. Keep in mind damsels are scrappers and there will be some conflicts. Provide plenty of hiding spots, caves, tunnels, etc.>
I do love these fish. They are just beautiful. What is your opinion?? 
<As above. Do a Google search on WWM, keyword, damsels.> 
Thanks for your help.
<You're welcome, Jennifer. James (Salty Dog)> 

Yellow Tail Damsel Addition
Hello, great site.  Thanks for all the info I've gleaned from reading previous inquiries.
<Welcome>
I have a 72g reef.  There are a few corals and mushrooms.  I cycled with 6 gr. Chromis, of which 5 survived.  Added a lawnmower blenny next and he's doing fine.  Next were two perc. clowns, also doing fine.  All of this was done over the first three months of the tank.  The tank is now at 3 1/2 months and a few days ago I added a yellow tail damsel.  All seems well, but after reading through all of the postings, I'm a little concerned about the future aggression of the damsel.
<With what you have, not likely a problem>
I took the recommendation of my LFS and only bought one of the guys.  After reading your posts I think I can see why.  If I had added more, would it have eventually been like adding a gang of
street thugs to the tank?
<Not with most Chrysiptera spp.>
If I keep it at one damsel, should I expect that he won't become too aggressive?
<Again, not likely>
My eventual plan is to add just one more fish to this tank.  That would be a mandarin dragonet after the tank is about a year old.  Will the dragonet be in danger from the damsel if I do this?  Thanks in advance.
Mark
<Due to their very different habitats, all should be fine. Bob Fenner>

Turtle weed, Adding fish in three's
Dear Bob,
<Howard>
I am well into my 4th year as a reef keeper, having started with Conscientious Aquarist and relied on WWM as well as you and Anthony's newer books and email advice. I have been a diver for 40 years and wanted to have a bit of wonders of the reef in my home. It is better than my best pictures!
<Mine too>
My 100 net gallon show tank is supported by most everything available to maintain perfect conditions: a 30 gal refugium with 6 inch DSB full of regularly harvested Caulerpa, a 40 gal refugium loaded with harvested Chaetomorpha and producing both amphipods and copepods. With the 40 gallon filter sump, I have about 160 net gallons in circulation. A 7 unit R/O-D/I, an 0-3 generator with ORP metering-TurboFlotor, 25 watt U/V, chiller, and a big 25 micron canister that is run once a month for a week or so and then cleaned.
All this is run by two 700 gph Iwaki pumps and four large powerheads in the show tanks, one in each refugium. Circulation in the show tank is over 3,000 gph. U/V is valved to 150 gph. TurboFlotor/O-3 at about 300 gph. Everything is controlled by timers an sensors so I can leave it for 2 week trips. Filtration and refugiums are in the basement.
Ca is maintained at about 400 with Kalk top off. Nitrates are 0 at the suction sump leading to the show tank and seldom detected in the show tank. ORP stays between 440 and 460. Water change is 10 gallons/ two weeks along with 2 cups of fresh carbon and chemical checks, addition of bicarb, Iodine, Strontium, Epsom, to maintain ideal levels and hardness. Temp is controlled 78 to 80, sp gr at 1.034. Mixing/ageing tank and R/O collection tank are aerated and heated.
Lighting is 540 watts of VHO florescent (mostly 10,000 K) on the show tank (replaced every 6 months) and metal halide pendulums on the refugiums.
Feeding is very light with just a bit of dry food, pods, and freshly hatched brine shrimp once a week. The tang gets a fresh clump of Caulerpa weekly.
Numerous small hermits and large snails inhabit the show tank along with 1 yellow Hawaiian tang, 1 true Percula clown, 3 green Chromis, 3 Dartfishes, 1 algae blenny, 4 neon gobies, 1 skunk cleaner shrimp, and 1 flasher wrasse. 150 pounds of live rock is well covered with calcareous algae. SPS and soft corals are very healthy. Most of the livestock has been with me since the first year.
<Sounds very nice>
I have built this system in an effort to create a very low maintenance, naturally filtered ecosystem using all the knowledge available. Perhaps I have failed. I am plagued by turtle weed on the top of my tank and Cyano on the bottom. What else can I do? The snails can't keep up with the Cyano, the tang never goes to the top of the tank where the weed grows, 100 crabs don't get it done. The "algae blenny" gobbles amphipods. Is there another algae eating fish that will get along with my peaceful community and eat the stuff in the top 1/4 of the tank?
<Mmm, perhaps increase the lighting on/over your two sumps... add a bit (a few ounces) of activated carbon in a Dacron bag, place it in your filter flow path)... add some new (a few tens of pounds) of live rock... switch out the substrate in the main tank...>
I would change the lighting to metal halide but the refugium half full of fast growing Chaetomorpha with MH lighting also has its share of bad algae.
<I see>
Next subject: adding fish in three's. While I have never lost a fish to a disease process by the quarantining and dipping Fenner system, I have put in three Dartfishes and three green Chromis only have a pair drive the third to living in the back of the aquarium. I wish to add a few blue Chromis. should I add them in three's? Note: 4 fish have not survived the quarantine tank, Foster Smith credited me for them.
<I would, yes>
Howard in Wisconsin
<Bob Fenner in Hawai'i>

Considering Chromis - 11/18/04
Mr. Fenner, <Paul in for Bob today!>
I would like your input on these little guys. <Sure.> I have a 75 gallon with 120 pounds of LR and numerous softies.
Currently I have a Percula, royal Gramma and a coral beauty. Tank has been up and running for over 6 years. Never wanted to get a big fish because of limited swimming space with so much LR. <Understand. A great idea regardless of tank size and swim room.> Thought about adding a few of these but were unsure of their temperament. <Well, actually, I preface my ramblings here with "this is purely my observations and opinions", but I find them to sometimes be quite aggressive even in a group of three. Also, they seem to have a bit of high mortality rating recently. Not sure if it is collection methods, poor acclimation at the wholesaler, poor fish stock in general or what. I have yet to get a stable batch in quite some time. We seem to keep the ones that live and try (emphasis on try) to add them together from different schools as they die off.>
Will they get along with my other fish? <They should have little problems with your fish selection in my opinion.> Are they hardy? <Loaded question, but I would say they have been in the past but as I stated above, lately, the places I have seen, wholesaler/retailer outlets they have a high mortality rate currently.> How many would you add? <To your tank? I would say about 9-11 (odd numbers preferable) I was told they school and should add anywhere from 3 to 8. <Oh, you could easily make them the premiere display of your tank. They look awesome schooling, again though, they do seem to get a bit nippy and aggressive to each other in smaller schools. As a matter of fact, I would try adding like five at one time and then maybe another three a month later then add another three a few weeks after that. You will likely lose a few. Get them young, (Important, that they are on the small and healthy side) and from a quality store. Quarantine them if possible or see if the store can do it for you. (if possible) Acclimate them slowly to your tank, keep water quality high, and then wait for a month before adding another school. Just don't want to stress your bio filtration with too big of an addition at one time. Let me know your findings and if it works out send a pick of them schooling. Do use the internet as a tool and see what others are saying. Check forums and other articles in various books, too. Don't rely too much on one source. Hope this helps. Thanks for participating here at WetWebMedia. ~Paul>
This is why I'm asking.
Thank you
Ken

Chromis
Hello!
I would like a few Chromis for my 55g tank. I really like the Blackbar
Chromis (Chromis retrofasciata). I read in a few places that this fish,
like other Chromis, are peaceful and do well in groups. However, I've
seen in a few other places that they're just as aggressive as other
damselfish. Do you know one way or the other? << I'll say good fish. >> I would hate to spend so
much time and effort to find these fish, only to have them not get along
in my tank (with each other or with the other fish). Other inhabitants
are 1 fairy wrasse, 1 lawnmower blenny, 1 clown goby, 1 chalk bass.
<< I think you will be fine, and in general I think Chromis are great tank mates. >>
Thanks!
Kari
<<  Blundell  >>

Damsels
Hi,
I was wondering about damsel fish. Can they also change from male to female
like the clownfish?
<Some species are known to do this>
I would also like to know how many Dominos I should get for
my ten gallon. Thanks
<Actually, none... ten gallons is too small for even one specimen. You are encouraged to either look into other families of fishes (e.g. gobies, cardinals, blennies...) or save up for a larger system that will grant you greater latitude in species selection. Bob Fenner> Re: Xenia troubles

Re: Damsels
<Hi, MikeD here>
After reading everything I can on your site I'm amazed the LFS's even stock Damsels and wonder why on earth anyone would buy them.<because they are small, pretty and cheap and don't know what else is coming> I guess because everyone's as dumb as me!<Not dumb...we all have to start somewhere> I had a sergeant major and an unidentified (black with blue stripes down nose and around tail eye spot) one we caught ourselves which survived all other fish when I had a tank tragedy (pH shock, down too low over time then up too high and down too low again in one day) without any problems other than some rapid surface breathing which they recovered from in a day or two as I stabilized the pH. Left this as is for a month to get my bearings on pH and water quality.<Wise move> So we got sick of just looking at these fish and weather was too crappy to go catch some more so we bought two more damsels a lemon/yellow and a blue and yellow diagonally split one similar sizes to the other two knowing the black one is pretty aggressive<bad move> (the sergeant lived through his harassing although they still annoy one another from time to time) thinking as they were feisty in the dealers tank they could match up to our current devils. They hid in one corner of the tank most of yesterday and have had hind fins and tails nipped at, say 10% gone, are coming out more today but are still being harassed preferring to hide when they can (black one chases them out of hiding for sport) if they survive this will their fins just heal or might they develop fin/tail rot or some such?<They're not likely to survive and the fins will probably be chewed beyond repair if they aren't removed immediately!> Should I do anything like fresh water dip to be sure? I do want other fish can I have aggressive fish with them if so which ones would be better?<I have a sergeant-Major in my 300 that's 5" long. In a 42 gal. tank, not much will stand up to a damsel, particularly a large one.> Tank is only 42g (4 foot) is this too many damsels should we get rid of one/some/most?<Honestly, I'd say all> Most/least aggressive?<It's a moot point> If we get rid of the aggressive one will the others become aggressive as they stake out territory?<<Zero if you'd like another type of fish.> How many would be ok in my tank? Any fish I should definitely stay away from with these bullies (i.e.. ones they will kill)?<You're not going to like this answer...live ones!**grin** Again, my suggestion is to find homes for them and move on to a more peaceful fish that you like. I've had 1" damsels attack ME while snorkeling. It's a hard choice I know, but good luck>

Damsel Catching
Hi Bob:
<Actually Ryan today, welcome>
Quick Question.  I have a trio of green reef damsels (Chromis) who seem
to be biting at the tips of my torch coral. <Unusual, but happens.> Do these need to be removed? <They may be doing minimal damage.  Many reefs have fish that nibble from time to time, but do little damage in the long run.  Have you tried telling them Torch is high in carbs?  ;)  If you see signs of stress to the coral, you'll want to remove them.>
If so--any suggestions on how to remove them from a 46 gallon bow with
80 lbs of live rock?
<Two nets, netting replaced with plastic bags.  And a good cheerleader.  If you can manage to separate the fish into half of the tank with some sort of divider, you'll have a better chance of snagging them quickly.  Happy fishing, Ryan>

First Fish (11-17-03)
Thanks. <No problem.> I have one more question. Would a Green Chromis be good in my tank if I put 2 of them in or no.<The Chromis should be fine but I would put 3 as odd numbers usually help distribute aggression.  On the other hand you also don't have a lot of room to work with.  You can find some more info at our site www.wetwebmedia.com.  Cody>

Damsel ID/Info
I hate to even ask this without a pic, but my LFS got in some damsels that I
had never seen before.  
<A good photo is a tremendous help...but...I'll hazard a guess anyway>
They look exactly like the pic on your site of
Pomacentrus chrysurus, but their bodies show no blue (they are approximately
the color of the brown stripes on a Dischistodus prosopotaenia).
<Many of the damselfishes in the Pomacentrus genus are blue...but not the critter that you specified>
Could these be stressed/juvenile Pomacentrus chrysurus?  
<Not IMO...I am going out on a limb and venturing a semi-educated guess at what you have seen: I think it is the adult Pomacentrus chrysurus or...how about an alternative?...a Plectroglyphidodon lacrymatus damselfish. That's "fancy fish talk" for a Jewel Damselfish. The Jewel is an olive green/brown fish with a few colorful spots along the head and the dorsal fin area, thus the "Jewel" in the common name>
The guy at the LFS I spoke to said that they didn't like getting them in because they had such a high mortality rate; is there any cause for this?  
<Really? Interesting <G> I think I would try a different supplier for these fish. Normally, damselfishes are one of the toughest fish that you can buy. They are very disease resistant, particularly Pomacentrus. I hasten to add that wild-caught clownfish (Amphiprion and Premnas) are often imported with parasites/disease but are hardy once established in a stable system.>
I've been through the Pomacentrus article and FAQ and I couldn't find any specific info about behavior/feeding/etc. of Pomacentrus chrysurus.  
<Well for starters...Remember that nearly all damselfishes are quite territorial and have the potential to harass their own kind as well as other more peaceful fish. If you have a large tank you can house an odd numbered school of damsels (Pomacentrus) but if your tank is small (under 55 gallons), just one. Feeding is easy...they are carnivorous and herbivorous. They will eat and stay healthy by consuming meaty items of marine origin as well as picking at whatever algae is growing in your tank>  
If you could share any info you might be privy to, I would be grateful :).
Thanks,
Laura
<You are very welcome. I hope I've helped...David Dowless>

Allen's/Andaman Damsel
Dear Mr. Fenner,
I am 14 years old & just set-up a 55g for the 3 fish I've been planning on.
It will be a FOWLR with a l/n hawkfish, Picasso trigger & porcupine puffer. 
<Ah, quite an adventure> 
I had no plans of having any damsels until yesterday when I saw for the first time the Allen's damsels. Their coloring is really something and they were selling very fast at $16 bucks each!
<Beautiful species... and a good price, I'll assure you. Not easy to catch, ship...>
I am wondering what your opinion is to adding one to the mix of fish I have chosen and if adding the damsel last instead of first would be wise. 
<Mmm, would be better to add it first... and the system will be too crowded even without the Allen's Damsel in time>
I read an article in AFM that says these are one of the best species of damsels but I am still going back and forth wondering if it would be o.k. with this grouping. Thanks a lot, Roberto
<Should be, as I say, for a few to several months. With cover, the Damsel should be able to stay out of harms way. My coverage, photo here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pomacentrus.htm 
Be chatting. Bob Fenner>

Red Damsel fish
Hi Bob,
Love your site! I read your question & answer page every day!
<Great to read>
I was at the LFS today and they had a fish they called a Red Damsel fish. I
have never seen it before and didn't find it on your FAQs page.
<More than 350 described species... am not surprised to be missing a few... let's go diving!>
The ones they had were small, probably less than 1" in length. They were bright red with a dark blue spot outlined with light blue on the base of the dorsal fin. Are you familiar with this fish? 
<Maybe Neoglyphidodon crossi... though the pic on FishBase.org doesn't do it justice... in any case, all of the bright red damsels I know of are only such as juveniles... turning into non-descript browns, blacks and tans with age/growth...>
My boss is looking for another colorful fish for the 25 gal at the office, would this fish fit in with an Ocellaris, Bicolor blenny and yellow tail damsel?
<Hard to say... You might have a tussle with the Clown or other Damsel... I would get a more peaceful, dissimilar species... Like a Gramma, Jawfish... that would get along... See the "Selecting reef livestock" section on the WWM website>
They also had some young yellow gobies about 1" long. Would the Bicolor
blenny in my 80 gal tank at home bully one of these little guys? 
<Too much likelihood>
I also have a 30 gal tank, just finished curing the live rock. I've set it up to put my male Banggai cardinal in. He is carrying eggs and should release in a few
days! Would the small yellow goby be ok with the cardinal fry? 
<Only if the Banggai young were large enough to not fit in the gobies mouth>
I know the gobies generally stay on the substrate and the fry will probably stay up in the macro algae (Caulerpa and Halimeda).
<But they will come close enough to potentially be eaten if small>
Thanks for your input! Kathy
<Be chatting. Bob Fenner>

Least Aggressive Damsels
Hello. I was wondering, what genus of damsels tends to be fairly mellow? I know of Chromis, but are Plectroglyphidodon lacrymatus highly aggressive? Or Amblyglyphidodon? 
<Good study on your part... of the many genera, more than 325 current species of Pomacentrids, you have picked out some of the better, easier going ones>
Are any of the genera peaceful enough to be kept with dwarf angels, fairy wrasses, ornate wrasses, clown fishes?
<Yes... most of the species of the three you list are fine. They're covered to an extent, and references listed on WetWebMedia.com Bob Fenner>

Avoiding A Damsel In Distress
Dear Mr. Fenner,
<Scott F. here this morning!>
Found a number of your articles on the Wet Web Media website when doing a web search for marine fish info and thoroughly enjoyed them.  Was very impressed by your knowledge and obvious love of these fascinating and wonderful creatures.
<They are all priceless treasures!>
We have a 38 gallon, fish-only aquarium with a large Maroon Clownfish, Purple Pseudochromid and a Yellow-tailed Blue Damsel.  We're looking to add another fish, and are quite taken with the Amblyglyphidodon Damselfishes, particularly Amblyglyphidodon aureus (Golden Damselfish).
<They have a classic damsel shape and some neat behaviors-understandable that you like 'em!>
Your WWM article notes that this is an easy-going fish, but I know that having two or more fish from the same family in a small community tank is generally not a great idea (they fight).  Would adding a Golden Damselfish to our tank be advisable?
<If for no other reason than their ultimate potential size (5 inches or more), I'd pass on them for your sized system. Perhaps in a much larger tank, you could try a small group of them.>
Thanks much for any assistance you can provide. --Kevin M.
<And thank you for stopping by! Keep reading and studying!>

 

 


 

 

 

 

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