Homemade Calcium Reactor 11/23/08
I've been trying to come
up with a simple, cheap homemade calc reactor by searching your site and
others.
<A very doable, worthwhile project.>
I had an idea
for using an area of my sump to accomplish what a calc reactor would.
When I built the system, I subdivided my sump (30L glass aquarium)
creating an area for a refugium. I haven't been using it as such because
I was lucky to get some live rock with brown macro-algae growing in my
main display tank. It looks great and does a good job keeping nitrates
(always test at 0) in check.
<Great.>
The refugium chamber has
a deep sand bed and some live rock in it, no lights or macro, water
circulated through off the main return pump. I have limited space, also
driving my desire to utilize a portion of the sump for this purpose.
My idea is to do the following:
1) Greatly reduce the amount of
water circulating through the refugium
chamber from the return
pump
2) Replace the sand bed with reactor media
3) Pump CO2
into the reactor media through airstones
4) Use a powerhead to
circulate water through the reactor media
My main concern is
whether or not there will be adequate contact time and dispersion of the
CO2 to make an impact.
<You will have trouble getting the ph
consistently low enough. The chamber being open along with the powerhead
will promote too much gas exchange, causing lower CO2 levels than
needed. You will want a finer flow control also, something that can be
measured/quantified.>
My tank is a lightly loaded 90 Gal. My
calcium demands are low today, but will be increasing as I intend to
continue adding corals to the tank. I have been using B-Ionic to
supplement calcium. Curious what your thoughts are on this approach.
Thanks as always for providing the wealth of information on your site
and the opportunity to get specific answers to crazy ideas.
<Heee,
welcome. Sometimes crazy ideas pay off big-time! Building you own
reactor is fairly straightforward and worth doing. It sounds like you
have been looking at the net for the plans, go for it!>
slkem
<Scott V.>
A Ca reactor second chamber 2/5/07
DIY add-on
I am running an octopus Cr 100 recirc calcium reactor
on my 600 litre heavy stocked predominantly SPS system. The reactor is
rated for 100 litre system (really dunno why reactors are rated for
system volume and not caco3 consumption rates, but that for another
day).
<Good>
The reactor is barely keeping up with my demand for
calcium. I recently molded two gravel siphons into an add on chamber
for my reactor. It has the effluent from my reactor entering through the
bottom and after passing through the media, runs past my probe and drips
into the sump.
My alk reading of my effluent went up from 25dKH to
32dKH after doing this..... Not sure if its because of the new fresh
media or increased contact time with aragonitic media.
<Likely a bit
of both>
Should my pH controller be set at a slightly higher pH, as
its situated in this passive reactor?
<Mmm... no... I would leave as
is>
Will this second chamber increase my effluent (ultimately tank )
readings for Calcium?
<I would not be at all surprised it did so...
at least at first...>
Would it be advisable to put a small
recirculating pump on this chamber as well, as when i shook it tonight,
i noticed a white powdery aragonite settlement at the bottom, which will
surely be more beneficial in the tank than in the "reactor".
<I
would leave this be as well... the "dust" will either go into solution
and be distributed, or not>
Would really appreciate your input.
Thanks for your advice
IVAN
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
DIY
calcium reactor 2/9/06
Hi Bob,
Love ya love
your site.
I have a question about the DIY calcium reactor. Do
you just use regular vinyl tube?
I see this CO2 "safe" tubing now.
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=CO1515
Do you really need this? It is sort of expensive.
Thanks,
Ed
<You can use such vinyl tubing (better the stuff made for
carbon dioxide supply), but it will "stiffen" and have to be replaced
more often. Perhaps every year or two. Bob Fenner>
- DIY
Calcium Reactor Question -
<Greetings, JasonC here...>
I have
made my magnum 350 into a calcium reactor by making a manifold out of
pvc, to inject carbon dioxide, an outlet for effluent, and a dedicated
pump for intake. Seems to be working well. I have also put a passive
reactor in the effluent line to rid the system of residual co2. The
system has been up and running for about a week. I read your FAQ's,
and it seems that people are getting really hard water out of their
systems. Does this take time? <Days...> My dKH is only 13. <A little on
the low side, but not terrible to add to your tank.> The tank
(full-blown reef) dKH is 7. Calcium is 450 ppm, but so is the tank.
<Ahh, the improved alkalinity will help, though.> I am dosing 25
bpm. About 60 drips per minute. Effluent ph is 6.5 or so. <Be careful,
you don't want the pH much lower than that.> Media is Korallith. Do you
think that the hardness will increase with time? <No... you need to look
at how you might keep the water in the reactor a little longer. Most
commercial reactors a recirculation devices, with the water in the
reactor turned over several hundred times an hour. If your magnum is
hooked up in the standard loop to your tank, you are likely not keeping
the water in the reactor long enough to react with - hence the need for
such a high rate of CO2.> I used to use Kalk exclusively, and am still
dosing periodically, hoping the calcium reactor will catch up. <A couple
of tweaks to the design and you will be fine.> Any help is
appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Mike
<Cheers, J -- >
-
Re: DIY Calcium Reactor Question -
The magnum is not in the
standard loop like it normally would be. I simply took the output, and
put it into a pvc loop, right back into the input. A dedicated pump
feeds the manifold. I have co2 going into the manifold, and a cinch
valve for the output, also in the manifold. So, I can keep the water in
the magnum for as long as I like. <Ahh, ok... makes sense.> What should
the "targets" be? <You mean for pH and alkalinity out of the reactor?
6.7-6.8 pH and alk. in the 15-17 range would be perfect.> LFS says that
450 ppm calcium is great, you sound like it's a bad thing? <No, no...
just that your alkalinity in the tank was a little low, but the calcium
reactor will fix that in time.> A little confused, here. <No worries.>
Thanks again
Mike
<Cheers, J -- >
DIY Calc reactor
Greetings,
Do you have a diagram or pic of the DIY calc reactor your
club has been making. I am part of a club here in Michigan (
http://www.wmmac.org ) and would like to entertain the idea of doing
this project with our club as well. I have examined the Sanjay's calc
reactor design and was wondering how is it modified from that?
Thanks
A lot,
Jason
Re: DIY Calc reactor
There are some
pictures on our club website...
www.marineaquarist.org
Click on
the tanks section of the photo album. Click on the CaRx DIY link. This
is an older version of the design. Bob Fenner took some pictures of the
newer version. They were on his website...
www.wetwebmedia.com
I
could not find them. He may know where they are. <<They can be found
here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcreactors.htm >>
The main
difference between the design pictured and Sanjay's design is that the
recirc loop is inside the reaction chamber.
The main differences
between the design pictured and the current design are...
All the
water and C02 taps are 3/16 ridged air tubing taps. The water and air
flow rates don't require anything bigger. They're simpler too. Just
drill a clean 3/16 hole and friction fit a bit of ridged air tubing into
it. You can put a little two part clear epoxy resin around them if you
are concerned about leaks.
The pump is the Rio 600 AV. This model has
two venturis built in. One is
attached to the CO2 tap. The other is
attached to a tube that runs up into the cap to scavenge C02 gas that
has collected there. There has been some concern that the flow rate
stirs the media up. I put filter pads on either side of the media.
Use clear tubing for the riser so you can see the CO2 being mixed in.
Use a 4" cap instead of a 4" coupler for the bottom. It is simpler and
works fine.
<<Thanks for sharing - cheers, J -- >>
DIY
Calcium Reactor?
Quick Question, do you think that I can make a
calcium reactor out of an old Magnum 350 canister filter by just using
the canister for the media for crushed coral.
<The media is unlikely
to dissolve at normal aquarium pH's. That is why calcium reactor inject
carbon dioxide, CO2, to create carbonic acid, low the pH inside the
vessel, and dissolve the media.>
Thank for your time and effort, Tim
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
[SDMAS] Calcium Reactor Workshop
Signup (Southern California)<Old>
<Thanks much John. Will post on
WWM. Hope to see you soon. Bob Fenner>
CALCIUM REACTOR WORKSHOP
Now is the time!! Please sign up for the workshop if you plan on
building a reactor!
On July 20 at John Foster's house in the
Hollywood Hills, MASLAC and SCMAS will host a calcium reactor building
workshop followed by a BBQ. You do not need to build a reactor to
attend. You can feel free to be an observer or just come for the BBQ!
One word of caution: If you do plan on building a reactor someday, DO IT
NOW. We are getting great prices, there will be many people there to
help those that want it, and we will have all the pieces cut and
purchased for you. To do this on your own "someday" will likely be
harder and cost more!! If you can't make the workshop but would like to
make a reactor, sign up and pay so I can buy your parts and we will work
out assembly at another time. I will only be buying the parts once.
The Complete reactor (everything except CO2 tank and reg) will cost $110
(there maybe a slight refund if parts come in cheaper) (clear water
filter cylinder $22, Mag 3 pump $40, misc. plumbing and supplies $48)
Plus for those who need it:
A special deal on the CO2 tank,
regulator, solenoid and needle valve $154 (5lb tank $69, Regulator Combo
$85)
If you get both you have a complete setup ready to turn on when
you get home!! Operating instructions will be included.
To sign up:
1. E-mail me now drjohnf@att.net stating what you are buying, or that
you will be an observer only.
2. By June 28th send me a check for the
amount of your purchase. Send to:
John Foster
2801 Pelham Place
Los Angeles, CA 90068
Attn: Calcium Reactor
Thanks, a map to my
house is attached and a schematic of the completed reactor is attached.
If you are using mapquest, it will show you the correct location but
give you a terrible route from Beachwood Drive. Use my map from
Beachwood to my house.
John Foster
Yeast Calcium
Reactor
Hi Bob,
I was still dreaming about my future calcium
reactor when I stumbled across the idea of yeast as a C02 source. Do you
have any experience with this kind of calcium reactor setup?
<Yes...
actually a great deal...>
I checked on a couple of the DIY sites, and
it seems simple enough. However, some of the sites also posted horror
stories of the yeast bottles exploding and turning homes into breweries!
<Explosions are exceedingly rare... easy though to make, transfer
alcohols>
What do you think? If this is relatively safe and
effective, I figure I could put together a DIY reactor for less than
$150. Thanks in advance for the advice.
<Worth experimenting with,
but really, a bottled carbon dioxide system is what almost everyone
wants, needs... much easier to control, use. Bob Fenner>
Khoi
(DIY) Calcium Reactor Questions
1. If you over drive your calcium
reactor does the excess calcium precipitate on the water surface or
attach to everything like Kalkwasser drips?
<Mmm, some calcium
reactors, various feed stocks can be made to do this... but not
practically>
2. What is the maximum saltwater can hold?
<The
maximum what? Calcium? Several hundred ppm.>
3. Does salinity (1.019)
or water temperature (76-80) play a significant factor?
<In
saturation, introduction of biominerals (alkaline earth elements)? No,
not "significant" in hobbyist/husbandry terms>
In preparing for a
larger main tank I have built a six foot tall calcium reactor.
<Six
foot tall? Unnecessary. Was at a local marine club meeting a few days
back just to give you an example. The owner had a 1,200 (twelve hundred)
gallon system with a two foot high Knop unit...>
Poured 50 pounds of
Geo Marine in it then I pushed the affluent
<Is it rich? Effluent
likely>
PH down into the 6.5s while maintaining a fair water flow.
Within 24 hours I now have what feels like sandpaper grit accumulating
on the water surface in the sump. Is this related?
<Yes>
Fish seem
OK. Has anyone else felt this on the water surface? Sump is in the
garage.
Will this turn my plenum into cement?
<Don't know about
the latter... but you don't need, want this much feeder stock, this low
a pH effluent... Experiment a while... perhaps on a non-living set-up.
Bob Fenner>
Thanks,
Steve Heathcote