Iodine/Iodide
Bob,
Thanks for the all the info. I don't believe there is a more
complete and informative site on the web.
<Thank you my friend. We
try>
This is a basic chemistry question, forgive my ignorance.
<We
could start a club>
What is, if any, the relationship between Iodine
and Iodide?
<An electron per... a difference in ionic charge... the
actual supplied valence state in products?>
I recently purchased a
Seachem test kit for the two of them as that the only way it came, with
the understanding that I would be getting an Iodine reading. However,
the kit has only Iodide reagents with natural sea water parameters for
only Iodide, which are .06 mg/L.
I also must ask, contained in the
body of instruction, they mention that ozone releases toxic free halides
such as chlorine, iodine and bromine.
<Hmm... I really don't like
this explanation... if there is iodide present perhaps....>
Why do
they call iodine in this context a toxin?
<Mmm, it actually is....
You may prompt me to get off my duff and write something in the way of a
more complete "article" on this matter...>
I thought it to be a
useful supplement.
<It is my friend... please don't be overly
concerned here... this situation is a matter of human laxity/laziness re
terminology... what people are actually supplying, the organisms using
is largely iodide... but sloppily termed iodine (the element...)>
Am
I getting a reading for concentrations of Iodine using this kit? If so,
what are the concentrations I should be looking for?
<I should let
the fine folks at Kent do their job here.... you are measuring
iodide...>
Should it added to a reef with a few and stony soft corals
and many mushrooms?
<Yes>
If so, should I supplement the tank or
just rely on water changes which I make weekly. Thanks for you time.
Brett
<Better to best added per dosage requirements of the maker
about once a week along with your water change schedule. Bob Fenner>
Iodine Test
Hey guys, I keep reading about how I need to make
sure my iodine levels are correct but I don't seem to be able to find a
test kit for it in my local pet stores. What exactly am I to look for?
Thanks Robert
<Hey Robert, jump on over to one of the WetWebMedia.com
sponsors and look at Seachem or Salifert test kits for iodine. You can
jump to any WetWeb page and hit one of the links. Custom Aquatics,
Foster and Smith, all have them. Craig>
Iodine supplementation
Hello Crew, I'm confused about iodine supplementation.
<Great...
you're better off than I am: I have a much longer list of things that
I'm confused about!>
I have various invertebrates and some turtle
grass. It's my understanding that iodine supplementation benefits both
plants and inverts.
<Indeed... an essential trace element>
I
recently bought Seachem Reef Iodide and a Salifert I2 test kit. I
originally tested my water and got nil for a reading. So I added iodide
as per directions. After 12 hours, I tested again and got nil
result. So I repeated the procedure the next day. Again, nil result.
<yep... not a big surprise either. Iodine lasts in most systems for
about 6 hours. Hence the need in my opinion for small daily doses>
I have since read that iodine ions "escape" the system readily and are
not detectable after only a few hours.
<agreed... when dosed small
and or in systems with good skimming, heavy bio-load and/or active
chemical filtration>
If this is the case, what good is supplementing
and it appears that the test is rather superfluous as well. I think
there's something I'm missing here. Thanks, Mike
<I'd begin with the
manufacturers recommended daily dose and divide to daily doses. Use that
for 2-4 weeks. If you do not see an increase in brown diatom algae, then
you are not dosing too much. In time you can slightly increase the doses
(and wait 2-4 weeks after each increment) by using diatom growth as an
indicator for how much you can push the envelope. More is not better
with Iodine, but daily is highly recommended in small daily doses IMO.
Best regards, Anthony>
Interpretation Of Iodine Test Results...
Howdy.
<Hi there- Scott F. here today>
Dosing with Lugol's and had
been using Salifert I2 test kit that is based on pink color of
supernatant. That test never produced detectable iodine so bought new
kit. New kit is much different (simpler, better?) and breaks out iodide,
iodate, iodine. Instructions say that formation of precipitate with
iodide test means concentration is greater than .2ppm. What is not clear
to me is whether or not they mean if precipitate forms at 2-minute mark
or if it forms at all. At 2 minutes, yellow color matches .04-.06ppm
color chip. At 3 minutes, dark ppt forms. Are you familiar with this
kit?
<I have used it in the past, but I do not have any recent
experience with it. You bring up a good point...Not sure if the
precipitate forms at the two or three minute mark...I would not assume
anything, either.>
Does formation of ppt at 3 minutes mean that I
need to back off dose? Salifert Web site is under construction and LFS
is no help, Thanks, George.
<Well, George, what I might try is the
"end run" to get hold of someone at Salifert that may have the knowledge
of the workings of this kit...I'd talk to the LFS and find out what
wholesaler they get the kits from, and-in turn, who supplies the
wholesaler (hopefully, Salifert or their domestic sales reps). Yep- it
has all the makings of a wild goose chase, but it may help you locate
someone at the company who can help. In fact- here's an open call to any
WWM reader that might know the answer to this question, as
well....Regards, Scott F>
-Undetectable iodine and strontium
levels?-
Thanks Kevin! Forgot to add that I do have an
Aiptasia-friendly Lysmata amboinensis but no peppermint shrimp. How
would peppermint shrimp get along with its tank mate?
<They'd get
along fine and dandy>
When I looked when I got home this afternoon, I
could not find the smallest of the Aiptasia. Do you think a snail or
hermit crab found them?
<Doubtful, it may have gotten stepped on and
retracted.>
I would think that feeding to support all snails and
hermit crabs may be too close to over-feeding. Is it appropriate to feed
for the fish and corals and let the chips fall where they may in terms
of carrying capacity? I assume that means some shrimp and hermit crabs
will become food for each other.
<You got it>
I have been testing
and St and I have been almost undetectable.
<That's bizarre, I doubt
that the tests are accurate.>
Have read that one may not want to add
these nutrients or much else when fighting unwelcome inhabitants. Should
I keep those levels up anyway for the sake of the animals I want to
keep?
<If you are going to add anything, you should be testing for
it. Since both of those levels are undetectable, you may want to verify
with another quality test kit, because quite frankly I think they're
dead wrong! Good luck! -Kevin>
Cheers, George.
-Low Sr. and
Iodine-
Okay, maybe they are not undetectable but they are at the
low end of the spectrum. Using Salifert test kits. <Very reputable> I
guess my question is, should I go ahead and bring Sr and I
concentrations up to what would be considered adequate or keep them low
for now considering the presence of Aiptasia.
<If your goal is to
best replicate NSW, I would keep these concentrations at NSW levels.
Adding either of these chemicals shouldn't result in an increase in
Aiptasia in the tank. Good luck! -Kevin>
Thanks again, George.
Tech - I from Kent Marine, and limpets 5/22/04
Good morning to
all,
<and to you in kind>
Just a few questions for you, hopefully
you can help. You usually have all the answers. I am curious if tech-I
iodine supplement from Kent is okay to use. The label says it has free
iodine. My test kit says it is a bad thing.
<somewhat subjective
here. There seems to be two "camps" regarding advocacy of Lugol's strong
iodine solution (the nutritive iodine of color/odor) versus clear
Potassium Iodide solutions. The other troubling thing is several
keyhole limpets in my hospital tank. I believe both can be useful, both
can indeed be abused/overdosed too. I favor Lugol's based solutions
FWIW. I'm not a bog fan of some bottled supplements though... then ones
that do not date their products for products with a definable
lifespan/shelf-life. Iodine loses efficacy over time once mixed ion
solution>
scoured WWM and have found two different opinions. Bob says
okay and Anthony says they will eat soft coral flesh. I did find a big
one sitting on my flower leather, so I pulled him off.
<some Limpet
species are algae grazers, and some are predators on various reef
invertebrates including corals (these tend to be the colorful ones with
frilly/fleshy mantles). It depends on the species.)
Thank you for
always being there for me and my tanks. Thanks,
Hopeless reef keeper-
Daniel
<best of luck, Anthony>
Re: Chronic Fish Death
Well I've arranged to buy a 10 gallon to use as a quarantine from now on
we'll separate new and sick fish. I've decided it's well worth it. So
thanks for setting me straight on that.
As for iodine... Is there
still iodine in water if we buy RO water? Is there any way to test for
toxic levels of iodine so that we may rule in or out that theory?
Sorry to pester you with so many follow-up questions. It's only because
I find your information very helpful.
Lindsay
>>>Hey Lindsay,
It's no trouble!
You should be doing water changes once a month or
so, and enough iodine should be present in the water. I can't remember
off the top of my head if there are iodine test kits or not quite
frankly. <There are. RMF>
For the moment, do your water changes as I
said, and you shouldn't have to worry about it. If you do decide to
begin adding iodine again, once a month would be plenty.
Cheers
Jim<<<