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The cost per unit of useful light PRODUCED and a/your factor for
what you're willing to pay and maintain for LOOKs is the formula for light
fixture/lamp selection. Measuring tools are useful for the former determination.
Lumen, Lux and esp. PAR meters with "dunk-able" probes.
apogee-inst.com
See the writings of Dana Riddle, Sanjay Joshi re |
Submersible Lux Meter 1/25/06
Hey All, <Yo, Scott>
Do you have any suggestions for a submersible Luxmeter. I have searched &
searched, but can't seem to find a waterproof unit (sensor). Any ideas?
<Premium Aquatics carries one for $70. Look here...http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MIL-SM700&Category_Code=Milwaukee Might
want to ask them to insure the probe is submersible.>
You all do a great service to the hobby, many thanks! <You're welcome. James
(Salty Dog)>
Scott in St. Louis
Lighting Question, wherefore art thou measures? 5/24/07
Hi all...
On many sites that sell corals and in books lighting is usually stated in terms
of "low", "moderate", and "high". But exactly how are those defined?
<Various ways by different writers... the best measures are PAR related,
measured at the point of intercept by the colonies... See the works (many on the
Net) of Sanjay Joshi and Dana Riddle here>
I have two saltwater tanks one 20 gallon and one 10 gallon but both are
identical in height/water depth. The 10 gallon has been upgraded from 40 watts
PC 50/50 to 80 watts PC 50/50 and the 20 gallon has a 65 watt PC 50/50 (which I
don't want to spend additional money changing lighting). I consider both to be
between moderate to low lighting for the depth of the tanks.
<I agree with the low end>
Both lights on those tanks are on legs which raises the lighting about 4 inches
from the water. Although I've read about "watts per gallon" I find this
difficult to understand when tanks are identical in depth. With that
calculation it would appear my 10 gallon tank is getting 8 watts per gallon and
the 20 gallon is getting only 3 watts per gallon.
<Mmm, yes... but/and the actual useful photonic energy available at/near the
organism in question is really the only valid measure... Many factors
involved... other than rating, consumption values for fixtures/lamps... angles
of dispersion, color in the water, reflector use... among others. See the Net re
PAR meters, measures...>
Just a note: the upgrade in the 10 gallon from 40w to 80w was because the two
very small xenia that came on Nerite snail shells purchased the first week of
March have now split into 8 not so small xenia and all are headed to the top of
the tank. So I sort of hoped higher lighting might keep the ones lower in the
tank happy where they are.... just a thought.
<What do folks say re Billy.G/Microsoft?: "Resistance is futile. You will be
assimilated". Applies to many Xeniid systems>
Anyway, a greater understanding of those lighting terms for corals will help
me make the right decisions for the 20 gallon. My sun corals have been moved to
the 20 gallon since the xenia now leave me little room for handling them in the
10 gallon. Again, thank you so much for this site and everyone's
assistance. Regards, Debbie
<Mmm, much that can/could be discoursed here. Deb, do you participate in a local
marine/reef club? I do think you'd be very happy to be face to face, mind to
mind (in semi-real time) in such an association. BobF>
PAR value and lighting source 10/12/04
Can you please tell me what PAR value is when it comes to lighting? How does
it change with Kelvin and how does it change when comparing PC to Metal
Halide??? Thanks Jeret
<Wow! Not such a simple question. PAR is Photosynthetically Active
Radiation. The chlorophyll in zooxanthellae can only use certain wavelengths of
light. While measurements like Lux or lumens measures total light output, PAR
measures only that part of the spectrum that is useable for photosynthesis.
Since PAR depends on both total intensity and spectrum, it is very difficult to
generalize about different light sources and unfortunately, manufacturers don't
tell us what the PAR is for their lamps. Authors like Sanjay Joshi and Dana
Riddle have done excellent work to report the PAR values of different lamps and
light sources. Google searches on their names will lead you to their work.
Some generalities can be made... Watt for watt, cooler (bluer) lamps tend to
have less PAR than warmer (yellow/red) lamps. This is because so much of their
energy output is concentrated in a narrow band, while warmer lamps tend to have
output over a wider part of the spectrum.
It is hard to compare between Fluorescent and MH since the spectra can be quite
different, but both technologies produce a similar amount of light intensity per
watt. In other words, 400 watts of fluorescent produces about the same total
light as 400w of MH, it is just more spread out.
Many aquarists forget that they can use much less light if they use it more
efficiently. Using carbon or ozone to maintain water clarity, using highly
efficient reflectors and keeping them clean and running lights as close as is
safely possible to the water all will dramatically improve the amount of light
that reaches corals. Following these practices would allow many aquarists to
use significantly less light to achieve the same PAR reaching their
corals. FWIW, PC lamps have an inherent inefficiency since they are constructed
of two adjacent tubes. A lot of the light from each tube shines into the
adjacent tube instead of being reflected into the tank. Best Regards! AdamC.>
Light Meters 3/30/2004
Anthony: I am interested in a light meter to measure the various areas in my tank. I have a few goals in mind:
1) measure values over time to document life and approximate replacement needs of MH bulbs;
2) get a better idea on dirty lenses, yellowing water, etc. and their influence;
3) approximately judge the values that my inhabitants do best at when it comes to compensation, saturation, etc.
<it will help you to do all of these things and more>
Do you think I should get a PAR meter, or would a LUX meter do?
<the PAR meter is a slightly better measure for us>
I don't think I mind the extra cost for a PAR if it is truly the best way to measure for these purposes.
<yes>
I have seen PAR meters for $300 and up, and LUX for around $75. Any guidance is appreciated.
<good things are seldom cheap and cheap things are seldom good ;) Have you looked at the PAR meters from Apogee? Very nice units and
popular with aquarists>
Thanks, Rich
<best regards, Anthony>
<<Or borrow one from a club or retailer... RMF>>
Lighting/Lux meter 2/8/04
I would like to comment on a practice that has worked for me and am
wondering why it is not more widely used. Most of the problem with lighting
today I feel has to do with intensity, or lack thereof, than with the quality of
light spectrum. Many bulbs today have excellent spectrums and you can educate
your self on this point fairly easily. Its getting the right intensity on the
different unique organisms that is tricky. I have found using a light meter to
be extremely useful in this regard. The naked eye is a horrific judge of exactly
how light or dark an area of a tank actually is. A method I have found works
well for me is when I go to the local fish store I bring my light meter and a
gray card with me. I simply place the gray card next to the coral I am
interested in and take a light measurement. This gives me a general idea of how
much light acclimation will be involved from there tank to mine. If the coral
seems to be flourishing in there tank will probably put it in a similar metered
area in my tank. Also, when replacing bulbs you can take a measurement before
and after the bulbs have been changed to see how greatly your light has
fluctuated. Generally when acclimating I always start with one f stop below what
ever light they were under before and work up just to be safe. It is also
frustrating when you talk to someone who has many species in their tank and all
they can tell you is how many watts are in there overhead lights, this gives you
no real picture of how much light is getting to the coral because the intensity
of light can fluctuate greatly throughout a tank depending on its design. Also,
you naked eye is a very poor judge on exactly how light or dark your shaded
areas are( they can be vary deceiving). I know corals are able to adapted to
many lighting schemes but I think as a whole we could be more accurate as a
hobby in keeping light level parameters that are more accurate than the ones
presently used. You can get a good light meter for $100 dollars or less and
given the expense of the animals and other equipment in the hobby I don't know
why they aren't used more. You can take reflective measurements through the
glass or you can put you meter in a heavy duty Ziploc bag and take ambient light
readings. I have lamented that mail order houses can't give you a light meter
reading on the amount of light hitting the coral you will purchase in there
tanks. Also, its so much more accurate than bright, somewhat bright, somewhat
shady, or what ever those vague terms mean. Hobbyists could pool there readings
and set up parameters for corals that where quite a bit more accurate in my
opinion. Thank You Greg Kirton
<thanks you very kindly for sharing your thoughts/experiences, Greg. They
will be duly posted and shared for all. Best regards, Anthony>
PAR Index or Table?
Mr. Fenner and the WWM Crew,
<cheers>
For as long as I've been reading your articles about
lighting captive reef environments I've noticed the
same response in many threads: "...if you only had a
PAR meter..."
<they are quite handy... observing trends in coral health, color and vigor...
influences of water clarity... aging of lamps, etc>
I've invested in a PAR meter (from Apogee Instruments,
$300 with sensor, apogee-inst.com)
<yes... very fine>
and have been startled at the remarkably low readings I was getting
on the 2 x 250W MH setup I was running on my main
tank.
<do consider/realize how severely water clarity and lamp cleanliness
(dust/salt spray, etc) significantly impact light delivery. Unless you are using
ozone or changing carbon weekly... plus cleaning lamps and canopies weekly...
you can expect to lose a measurable portion of your light>
In fact, the distance between surface PAR in
the wild (2000) and what I was getting just a few
inches below the surface in my tank (500) was shocking
enough to push me into 400W lights (now getting 1500
at 6"...)
<Hmmm... if you are keeping shallow water species only... perhaps the 400
watters are warranted. For most aquarists, they are not>
My question is this: while in most cases (excepting
aposymbiotic corals of some species, and deep-reef Corallimorphs) "more is better" in the case of light,
<Yikes! You won't catch me agreeing with that startling admonition. It's not
even close to correct. More is not better at all... under-lit corals can be
supported with feeding... but over-lit corals can/will suffer photo-inhibition
and shut down in time. It's best to offer enough light to satisfy the maximum
tolerance of your lowest common denominator and feed all other species to
compensate>
are you aware of any good references to the range of
PAR various animals require to survive-thrive?
<much field data in the academic archives... Alf Nilsen has published some in
the hobby literature (Aquarium Frontiers for one as I recall... hmmm...
Acroporas by species in Winter 1994 part 2 peeping at my bookshelf here)>
In other words, while a Montipora capricornis may get
"moderate" lighting in guides about it's care, does
that mean a PAR value of 100, or 1000??? Is a shallow
water species of Acropora meant for a PAR of 750, or
1750? I appreciate your input on this vexing subject.
Thanks, Sean MacKirdy
<like RedOx... PAR values are guidelines not rules... there are many other
considerations in captive coral culture. Track an study... do enjoy... but don't
get too obsessive about it, mate. Kind regards, Anthony>
Science or Hobby? Marine Lighting - 8/14/03
Great website, lots of great information. I've read the Marine
Lighting primer, other articles and threads, but I can't seem to find any
comments on a situation similar to mine). I know others are looking
for this info so I will gladly pass it along!
<a great attitude my friend>
I have a 18 gallon tall with an eclipse 1 hood. I've retrofitted it
with A SmartLite (32W) from Custom Sea Life.
I have a deep sand bed (about 4 inches) and 30 lbs of live rock.
Is there a way to quantitatively describe the lighting at various depths? e.g.)
SmartLite 32W - X PAR, Lumens, or Watts at depth Y
<as a useful measure to aquarists, yes... PAR.>
Or better yet an expression for intensity as a function of depth (e.g. I(d) = Io *
e^-kd when d=depth ?
<regular readers of the daily FAQs will know that I have little interest, if
not outright disdain, for overtly anal exercises in mental masturbation that far
surpass a sound academic or scientific curiosity. I will tell you, Jeff, with a
mixture of humor and sincerity that any such discussion regarding the measure of
usable light at depth for corals is staggeringly moot in an 18 gallon aquarium.
Arguably, it is just as moot in our 24 and 36" deep aquariums when the
subjects/objects of our study and admiration (symbiotic reef organisms at large)
found over a much wider range in the sea (many species commonly occurring in
niches separated by 40 or more feet.>
Can we then relate this to species requirements (compensation and saturation
points)?
<it can be done, but cannot be fairly extrapolated by species for the above
reason. We do not know where on a reef a given specimen was collected: Acropora
formosa in 3 feet of water... or A. formosa from 60 feet of water? Doh! The best
we can do with such data is on a specimen by specimen basis IMO... or, with
further study to know the range of tolerance and adaptability for a given
species. Now that would be useful!>
Is there any published data?
<field data yes... do pillage the academic archives. In aquaristic terms,
however... little is available. I do recall Eric B chatting about it. Dana
Riddle and Sanjay Yoshi are also very interested in such issues>
In the final analysis, given those parameters, what corals can I realistically
expect to grow?
<ahhh... in an 18 gallon aquarium? Well... there are many many adaptable
cnidarians that will grow well in such shallow water. Finessing light is not
your problem, Jeff... controlling growth will be your reality! Dude... do
consider installing a beer meister next to your reef tank. Either that, or
convert a Kalkwasser doser into a heroin drip. Just a suggestion. Best of luck!
Anthony>
How much light is enough?
Ok, second question today/tonight. I very much appreciate the
service that you are doing for your fellow (and usually less experienced)
aquarists. It says a lot about a person to put up with, and answer so
many questions from strangers regarding tanks you have nothing to do with!
<Our pleasure!>
Anyway, to my setup and question. . . I am building a 70 (18" tall I
believe) gallon reef tank. I will be using an EV-120 skimmer, and
supplementing/buffering as needed (how is undecided yet). The
tank will be home to leathers, polyps, and mushrooms, and some hard corals
including a hammer, and open brains. I believe that the toughest
thing I would like to incorporate is a maxima clam. After reading
over your lighting FAQ's, I am confused on how to size my compact fluorescents
for the tank. My main goal is NOT maximal growth, it is good health
of the animals, and enjoyment by me!
<Yes...not mutually exclusive, in fact, one in the same. Maximum health
equals maximum growth. Any less is less.>
I was planning on going with a CSL 4x96w fixture. Should I
go with the original plan, or would a 4x65w fixture be better if my goal is not
maximal growth?
<No, with a maxima clam you need the intensity of the higher
wattage. A clam will still need to be placed at or near the surface
of the water.>
Also, I definitely want to run the front right and left bulbs actinic, and the
rear right and left 8800K or 10000K. Does this combination of bulbs
play any role in the decision?
<No. I would recommend as even a mixing of bulbs as possible for even light
coverage. 50% 10000 and 50% actinic blue provides a good balance and
pleasant appearance.>
Thanks once again, Your confused friend, Scott
<Hope this clears your head my friend! Craig>
Lux Meter
Hi, I have a question about Lux meters. If I purchased one,
I could get Lux information for different levels in my tank.
How could I put this information to good use? Is there something
that tells me, you need "x" amount of Lux for coral "a", and
"x"
amount of Lux for coral "b"? Most information I read says, certain
corals prefer low, medium, or high amounts of light. Are these meters
very useful?
<Ahh, not much use for the average person. There aren't really any books or
references with Lux recommendations. It's easier to understand what is meant by
low, medium, and high and their relation to water depth, penetration and
intensity. It's also best to find the best general optimal conditions for the
inhabitant in question and acclimate up to that level slowly.>
Cheers, Craig
Thanks, Angelo
Is Lux the same as lumens (for light parameters)?
<Nope. Please see here: http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci542011,00.html
Bob Fenner>
Thank you,
Luke
Lighting a 120 Reef
Hi Bob,
This lighting thing has got to be the most confusing aspect of a reef set
up.
<It's one of the principal ones...>
Anyway as most people I'd prefer to buy equipment once and would want to
be able to keep many different types of coral/inverts. I've read on some
web sites that fluorescent light produces as much heat as metal halides do.
<No... not per watt of energy consumed, per light produced... MH much more
heat by its method of photonic production...>
They just produce it in larger area and not so concentrated like the
halides. In pricing CF and VHO vs. metal halides it appears that watt for
watt the halides work out cheaper to set up but not necessarily operate.
<Well-stated>
Also lumens seem very important to coral life and not watts although high
lumens means high watts.
<Yes sort of to the former... many stinging-celled life forms need, can use
intense lighting... but no to the latter... you can spend a bunch on power
(consumed) and not end up with much useful illumination>
Anyway I'm not sure whether heat would be a
problem on any of the choices since I plan on putting a 100gal sump in the
basement which is about 67 degrees or year round.
<Hmm, perhaps an expensive proposition... you want above all to be able to
simply, consistently, inexpensively control temperature... not "pay"
to heat
up the water in one place, lose the thermal content elsewhere...>
I would think that this
might help in a stable temp for the display tank. Which set up would you
use ? 2 175 10k & 2 VHO 110 03, 2 250 10k & 2 VHO 110 03 or 4 96CF 10K
& 2
VHO 110 03
<For what sorts of livestock? And what purpose? Are you going to culture,
sell fragged Acroporids for instance? I would go with the last choice if it
were up to me... but many people I know would mix the MH with the VHO
actinics... for looks, production...>
or what about the HQI ? Possibly 2 150 10k and 2 VHO 110. I've
read at another board that the 150HQI puts out as many lumens as a 250 MH
and roughly equiv. to a 300 watt bulb.
<But not useful (PAR) energy at a constant-age rate... don't get involved
here>
Sorry to keep bothering you but with
endless opinions on set ups its hard to know which road to go. It seems
everyone swears by whatever lighting they are using usually switching from
another an say I'll never go back to VHO, CF or MH. Thanks Mike
<Many sayings come to mind: "many roads", "to each their
own", "if your
brother jumped off a bridge...." All these light fixturing possibilities
will work... with different up front, continuing costs, looks, heat inputs,
biological effects (per your chosen livestock, desires with same),
maintenance issues... Make a chart of all the factors you consider
important, rank/differentiate them (give them oh so many points each to
consider), score the choices per those factors... add up the points per
type/choice/mix of lighting. Voila! Go with the highest scored
arrangement... then get on to the terror of considering what sorts of
filtration you might have... Bob Fenner>
Thanks for your reply. My thinking on the types of livestock would be a
healthy balanced mixture from each category of corals (soft, LPS, SPS)/inverts/fish.
<Sounds good... but do investigate these by species... as there is a huge
range in light use/tolerance within these groups. Many soft and hard corals are
even non-photosynthetic... and other invertebrates, fishes have low light needs.
Bob Fenner>
Bigger is better, but how to light it?
Bob,
Thank you for all your past help, and the help I am about to ask for <g>.
I
am now the proud owner of a 150 to replace my 75. I know you get a lot of
questions on this subject, so I'll try to be brief. I've looked at your
FAQ's but still...
<No worries, and congrats on the upgrade>
The 150 is an Oceanic with the Oceanic cap. My tank is mostly reef with some
fish. I have soft and hard corals, and clams. Acropora is the only thing
that did not do well in my 75 under 4x96 PC, but I may not be interested in
trying them again. I'm not a big fan of the look of MH pendants, so should I
go back to PC or some other MH solution. You don't need to name brands
(though feel free <BG>)
<Always do>
, but I REALLY don't like the yellow look so I'm
heading towards a 10k temp. What I would like to know is how many of what
wattage and type you think would make me and my animals happy. After all,
it's not like I can walk into a LFS and see a bunch of solutions setup to
evaluate...
<Well... if it were me, mine, I'd go with about four to six watts per gallon
of power compacts in this case... with about one third/fourth actinic... and
possibly conjure up a way to leave the glass top out from between the water and
the lamps... the 10 K temperature is fine otherwise.>
Thank you keemosabee (sp?),
<The medium is the message. You're welcome. Bob Fenner>
Marty
Re: Bigger is better, but how to light it?
Bob,
Thanks for the sage advice. I've been digesting it all day and I now
understand why not to do metal halide in my case. I am searching for a good
solution in the CF arena, but am also thinking that 4-5x160 watt VHO might
be a good solution as well. I've read that the Icecap 660 will provide more
lumens from the same bulb than the Icecap 430. Do you know if there is any
truth to this?
<Yes, this is so according to the fine folks at Champion>
I like the idea of a 72" bulb, but would appreciate your
opinion of using VHO instead of PC.
<The power compacts are "better technology" all the way around in
terms of PAR (photosynthetically active radiation) and cost per lumen (energy,
fixture, lamp replacement...). Looks-wise, either could be argued. Bob
Fenner>
Thanks, Marty
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Question?? (re marine lighting "rules")
"Dear Bob": Is there a "rule of thumb" as far as the
intensity of light for marine aquariums??
<There are a few... with many stipulations... for shape of the system, types
of livestock, desires of the keeper...>
<><>From different sources I've learned that between 4-6 watts /
gallon depending of invertebrates<><><><>Watts or
Lumens????
<Mmm, lumens are a better measure...>
not the same, a 4 watt incandescent than a 4 watt metal halide therefore
different intensity, different lumens
<Not different lumens... different amount/quantity per watt consumed... do
read over the WWM site, the Net re light quantification>
Please advice on this topic thanks a bunch, and keep them beautiful pix coming
please!!!!
<Keep studying my friend. Bob Fenner>
Light Meas.
have a question about a light I found in my garage. we've had it for a
couple of years and it doesn't get used I think it came from a race
track. its output is incredibly white and bright, however I have no idea
what kind of light it is. the fixture is large and rectangular (approx
6x10), while the bulb is only a couple of centimeters in diameter with a
length of a couple inches. Halogen? If you know about it please advise,
if the bulb is appropriate as far as K temp and PAR, might use it on a
propagation tank.
thanks again, Chris
<Hmm, at this juncture, becoming a culturist, and advanced aquarist all the
way around, I would encourage you to buy a PAR meter... Halogens by and large
actually don't produce much useful wavelengths of light per kilowatt energy
consumed... but about the only way I've been able to convince folks of this is
the meter route... At this point, the cheapest PAR can be gotten by way of
Compact Fluorescents (up to 24 inch or so depths for most fixtures, lamps) and
metal halides (for most deeper systems), not HQI...
Bob Fenner>
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