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Clam question.. And Valenciennea nutrition –
11/12/09
Salutations to those who worship at the Marine Altar,
<Heeeee! All bow down>
First I would like to give you an earnest thank you from the bottom of
my heart for all that you do in educating the masses.
<Am frequently wondering what/where the reward is otherwise... Keep
looking for that paycheck!>
I only wish the
LFS's in my area followed your advice as gospel like I do.
<Mmm, collectively we have MUCH more experience than "they". Even just I
myself have been involved more than full time actively involved in the
trade for more than 40 years>
They currently have a 14" nurse shark in a 55 gallon tank-
<Ugh!>
enough to lose my business forever I am afraid. My question is simple
enough, but I will give you some background on my setup.
75 gallon marine running for 2.5 months
7" DSB
120 lbs. live rock
79 degrees
PH 8.3, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate all 0.0
calcium 450. I dose the tank with Iodine and chelated Iron for my bumper
crop of Gracilaria. (Side question- when I add these supplements after a
water change do I dose based on total tank volume, or based on the new
water added to system?
<The calculated, best guess as to total actual water volume; i.e.,
deduct for displacement by the DSB et al.>
I have been dosing based on new water only....)
<Likely this is fine as well>
Eheim magnum
<Mmm, Eheim and Magnum (MarineLand) are too different companies>
canister filter with carbon and filter floss (Changed and cleaned weekly
for water polishing purposes only)
Remora C protein skimmer cleaned daily removing 3/4 of a cup of tea
colored skimmate each day that I attribute to light bio-load
3 Maxi-Jet 1200 powerheads
Cora-Life Power compact hood with (2) 96watt 10,000K bulbs on a 12/12
light cycle
Livestock is as follows- (2) 1" Tomato clowns, (1) 1 1/2" Coral Beauty
and 1 4" *Valenciennea strigata** *(I will explain later)
Colony of fast spreading Star polyps,
<Do keep these steadily trimmed back>
various sponges and feather dusters growing and spreading like
wildflower,
<Neat literary device, metaphor>
number of clams and scallops that came encrusted on liverock, 5 snails,
5 hermits, and a few different types of yet unidentified macro-algae
growing on rock.
<Great diversity!>
My question concerns one of the larger clams that came on the liverock.
This clam was extremely active as far as opening and closing went, but
differed in the respect that it was attached to the rock seemingly from
the front inside of the clam, instead of the side of the shell being
attached to the rock like the other clams. I feed the clams and feather
dusters every few days with Phyto-Feast, which is 1- 15 micron
concentrated live micro algae food. A few days ago I adjusted a power
head from the back of the tank to the front, so the visible parts of the
rock would get better flow, and it was in a position where the clam
could barely feel it, as opposed to not feeling it all before moving.
The next day i noticed the clam was missing, and all that remained was a
grey colored "foot" where the opening to the clam was previously
attached. I looked high and low for the shell, and then noticed the clam
had moved directly into the blast zone of the power head! I was unaware
it could move like that,
<Some bivalves are very mobile indeed>
and wondered if that foot was integral to the clams heath in any way,
and should I be concerned that the clam is directly in the flow of the
power head?
<Mmm, no>
Or does the clam know what is best for itself and I should leave well
enough alone?
<If it can move...>
I also want to explain that your site is my home page, and I often spend
time reading about various species and have done so for years.
Unfortunately before finding your site and Mr. Fenner's CMS and Mr.
Calfo's RI I was victim to poor advice coupled with lack of research-
much to the dismay and demise of previous livestock.... Enter my desire
to own some sort of Gobioid creature for my underwater utopia. I swear I
researched each and every specie only to purchase a *Valenciennea
strigata*, and upon quarantining the fish and logging on to Wet Web
Media I realized my serious error in research. I felt like someone with
a Black Tipped reef shark in a 20 gallon tank with a dozen Cleaner
Wrasses for food.
<Heeee! Not that bad!>
Fast forward to me feeding him all sorts of standard aquarium fare-
Mysis, pellets, and after reading that they fed on pods I bought Arcti
pods- only even after watching him feed on all the above with enthusiasm
he was still wasting away. I thought he was done for and went on
fishbase.org and saw they also fed on nano plankton as well. My last
ditch effort was mixing Mysis, Phyto-Plex, Arcti- pods, spectrum
pellets, Oyster Feast, and Spirulina together and freezing it. I then
chopped it into cubes and lightly covered it with sand in his favorite
forage zone. He is now filling out at an incredible rate, and is a
completely different fish- color wise, not hiding all the time and
returns to the spot with ferociousness every time i stick the frozen
goods there.
<Ah good>
I think adding the micro organisms was essential to his health and
wanted to share that information- freezing was an important part as
there was no other way to get oyster eggs and micro algae to settle in
one place in the substrate to ensure he ingested them.
<I will share/post your statements. You have saved many animals through
your investigation, efforts and sharing>
Sorry for such a long winded email, but it is the first time I wrote
after years of admiring.... I also wanted to ask if a 30% water change a
week is too much?
<Not too much; particularly if the water is pre-made, assured of
consistency ahead of use>
Thank you very much for all you do in tolerating the ignorant masses
like myself who think they know everything only to find the error of
their ways at the expense of a fish's life- and here's to not making
those mistakes ever again! 'ciao!
<Thank you Leon, mi bello. Bob Fenner>
Questions About Valenciennea sexguttata/Six Spot Sleeper
Goby/Systems/Feeding 9/21/09
Hi,
<Hello Tony>
I have recently started my first nano reef (4 months old, 34 gallon) and
my wife thinks the reef and WWM gets more attention than she does now
days :)
<Usual behavior for this species.>
The aquarium is running stable with a small cleaning crew, 2 Amphiprion
ocellaris, 1 Meiacanthus oualanensis and a couple of corals I received
from friends I made through the new hobby (Euphyllia glabrescens,
Euphyllia Parancora, Montipora capricornis, Sinularia Dura and a
Lobophytum sp.). The
tank is fed with Brine shrimps, mysis, algae pellets and ordinary flakes
alternating.
I'm now searching for a fish that would occupy the lower half of my
aquarium and found the Valenciennea sexguttata that looks nice, lives in
the lower half and even helps me keep the sand sifted, but I'm not able
to
find enough info online that isn't more like rumors and I don't want to
make any bad decisions here so I wonder if you would like to comment
some of the rumors I have read.
I'm concerned that the fish might be to large for my tank but people
(including LFS) say it grows really slow and some keep it in 10 G tanks
successfully, would you agree?
<No, this fish does better in larger systems with a well established
sand bed.>
Rumors also states that even if it's a sifter it doesn't toss the sand
around that much, and it's not any trouble to get it to eat mysis or
brine if there isn't enough algae, do you agree?
<I've seen these fish take to prepared foods quickly, and saw an equal
amount starve to death. Just sharing my experience with the fish.>
Finally, do you think it's ok to keep the fish with the once I have? I
don't have any plans on expanding on the fish side after this last one
that needs to be a bottom dweller.
<I would not add, believe it will be short lived in your system.>
Thanks for any help and I really enjoy reading the FAQs on the site :)
<You're welcome and glad you enjoy. James (Salty Dog)>
/Tony
Valenciennea strigata feeding habits. Robert, <Amy> I have
a 55 gallon fish only tank with a Valenciennea strigata, a blue damsel,
a strawberry fish, <Mmm, what is this?> and a percula clown. I
have about 80 pounds of reef sand and several coral replicas in the
tank. I am feeding the fish Prime Reef flake food and all the fish are
feeding well except the Valenciennea strigata. He usually stays hidden
in the huge hole he dug under the edge of a coral replica during feeding
time (anytime I open the canopy) and by the time he comes out, all the
food is gone. I have only had him a week and he is spending more time
out in the open, but should he come out and feed like the rest of the
fish during feeding time? <Not on these food choices... this is a
"sand-sifting" species, that derives the bulk of its nutrition from
sieving out "interstitial fauna"... worms, crustaceans and more minute
invertebrates found in and amongst the substrate... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/valenciennea.htm> Any time he spends out
of the hole is spent sifting sand! Should I buy him some sinking pellet
food or does he just eat what he finds in the sand? <Ah, the
latter... if there is enough to sustain him/her... These fishes need
plenty of "live" substrate... a few square feet per individual of
established live rock/sand system... best placed months after a system
has been set-up> I don't want to starve him but I also don't want to
pollute the water by leaving food for whenever he decides to come out of
his home. I just purchased a copy of your book on Amazon.com this
morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival as I gain a lot through
your website. <Ahh, you will enjoy, gain by its reading> Thanks
again, R McClain <Do read over the materials on WWM for now. Bob
Fenner> Goby Going Hungry Hello! <Hi there! Scott F.
here!> I haven't written in a long time (that's a good thing!) but a
couple things have come up and so I thought I'd drop you guys a line
(thanks ahead of time for your great advice). I currently have two
tanks set up, one is a 55 gallon saltwater and the other is a 10 gallon
freshwater. First of all, my tanks are kept between 72 and 74 degrees
and the SG in my salt is at a steady 1.024. Both tanks have zeros
straight across for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates and have been set up
for about three months. Ok, the bad stuff...I have a Spotted Rafael
in my 10 gallon and I recently noticed that he has blisters (?) near
his mouth, one is just back from the corner of his mouth and the second
is underneath the crack of his mouth. I see him everyday and I never
noticed them before so I think they appeared suddenly. They don't seem
to have grown at all, and he still eats like normal, but I have never
seen anything like this on a fish so I thought I'd see what you guys
thought. The blisters aren't discolored in any way, they seem to just
be a bit of skin stretched out....Anyway, any advice would be greatly
appreciated! <Really tough to ascertain from here...could be some
kind of Vibrio infection...could be some sort of tumorous growth. I'd
look in the disease FAQs on the wetwebmedia.com site for some ideas.
Keep an eye on this condition, make sure that your water conditions are
of high quality> Onward! In the 55 gallon tank I have two
silver-tipped sharks (one is about four inches on is less than 2, I know
they will outgrow this tank quickly!), a Goldstripe maroon clownfish, a
golden head goby, a sand shifting starfish, a red legged hermit and an
Astrea snail. All of the fish get along great, but the newest addition
- the goby - has not been eating. I have only had him for four days,
the first two days he spent excavating hide holes and by the third day
he seemed to have chosen his final location and he camps out there all
day. I will admit I have very little information on what exactly they
eat, the LFS said they will sift through sand on the bottom and pick up
"leftovers" but I'm getting the feeling he was horribly wrong, I have
seen a little information that says they eat worms and other sand
creatures and *that* is actually what they are searching for when they
sift the sand, my tank is pretty low on live rock and the sand was not
live when I got it, I can't imagine that there would be enough life in
it to support a creature that only eats sand inhabitants...Is this
little guy doomed in my tank? <Well, to be quite honest...probably.
Don't feel like it's all your fault, though. This fish, and for that
matter, all of the so-called "sleeper gobies", are extremely difficult
to keep fed for extended periods of time; most slowly starve to death in
captivity. They will generally only survive in very well established
aquariums with live sand beds and refugia to encourage the growth of
infaunal invertebrates and worms, which form the basis of their diet.>
Should I put him in a friends more established tank or is there food I
can feed him that will fatten him up again and keep him happy? <I
think his best bet is to be moved into a well-established aquarium> I
plan on getting some live sand culture in the future, but that isn't
helping him now so any advice would be great! Thank you so much for
putting up with me! Have a great week! Sincerely, Rachael <Well,
Rachel- I think that you'd be doing the right thing by moving this guy
to a more established system. Be sure to establish a very "live" sand
bed and a refugium if you do try to keep these types of fishes in the
future. Truth is, they really are not good choices for captive systems,
IMO. I think that you've learned a lot from this experience, and you
will certainly move on to more success in the future! Good luck!
Regards, Scott F.> Blue Cheek Goby Hi,<Howdy, Cody
here.> When I feed my fish a mixture of flakes and brine shrimp, will
a Blue Cheek Goby eat the remains of the food that fall onto the
substrate? And would one of these fishes live happily with a regal
tang, Potter's angelfish, and a ocellaris clownfish, 2 cleaner shrimps,
and 3 crabs?<I would target feed with a turkey baster to make sure he
gets his fair share of food. As far as compatibility please read
here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/valenciennea.htm
Cody.> Many thanks Darrell Hungry Goby? I have a
yellow headed sleeper Gobi (Valenciennea strigata) and he is acting fine
and sifting like crazy, but he is loosing a lot of weight fast. I had
this problem with a Kole tang about 4 months ago and 4 year old blue
damsel. However, my mandarin, cleaner shrimp and Mustard Tang are fine
and seem to be thriving. Tank 55 gal Wet dry Skimmer 70 Lb
LR Can't seem to figure this thing out. Primary source of food is
mysis and whatever they can scavenge. Mysis is feed every 2-3 days and
water parameters are right on. Perhaps a parasite? Peter <Well,
Peter- internal parasites are a definite possibility. Many fishes do
harbor these organisms, and the problems can manifest in your tank.
These fishes tend to waste away in captivity if high protein foods are
not eaten regularly. My best suggestion here would be to see that food
is placed where he can easily get to it (like on the bottom of the
tank). This will help assure that he gets his fair share. In all
likelihood, there is not enough infaunal life in the sand to sustain
him, so keep the food coming his way. Hopefully, this should fatten him
up a bit. Good luck! Regards, Scott F> Starvin' Marvin the
Bluebanded Goby >Hi all, >>Hi. I have a Valenciennea
strigata that has been in QT for a little over a month and it seems to
be losing a lot of its girth. It has been eating the omega one flake I
have been feeding it, it seems to love this stuff, really tears it up. I
am wondering if that is all it is doing, with the amount of food (flake)
it is consuming it should not be this skinny. Does this fish need
another type of food, I thought omega one had sufficient protein for
this fish, or does it just sift it thru its gills and break into tiny
little pieces w/o digesting it. I had had exceptional luck with this
fish accepting the flake food so I am assuming it would easily accept
other types. Should I try something else to fatten it up, and if so what
do you recommend? >>Check out this site:
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=6575&genusname=Valenciennea&speciesname=strigata
It outlines part of what this fish feeds on. Another issue,
unfortunately one that cannot be solved if such is the case, is possible
exposure to cyanide. This poison destroys the gut in such a way that
any food eaten cannot be utilized. I do hope it's more a matter of
providing a better/different variety of foods that better mimic its
natural diet, rather than cyanide exposure. Best of luck to you, Marina
>Thanks, Ryan Feeding Sand-Sifting Gobies (6/17/04)
Hello, <Hi! Steve Allen with you tonight.> As I was reading
through your FAQS of sand sifting gobies, I noticed that many people's
were getting thin and not getting enough food. My friend has had a pair
of them for 2 years in his 72 gallon, and to sustain feeding he has
finely chopped up krill and buried it in the sand. It seems to have
worked could because the gobies are nice and fat. <Interesting.
Obviously, one would have to be careful not to add too much and mess
things up.> Scott. <thanks for the tip. I will post it for the
edification of all readers.>
Valenciennea wardii – a brackish water fish? 10/24/07 An
aquarium store called 'Arizona Aquatic Gardens' is selling
Valenciennea wardii as a freshwater fish, though recommending it as
a brackish water fish (the salinity range suggested spans about SG
1.006 to 1.010). I've never seen this fish traded as a freshwater
fish before, and would be curious to know anything about this fish.
Is it indeed a euryhaline fish, or rather a true marine fish that
happens to tolerate brackish/freshwater for a while? <Likely the
latter. Only skimmed through some literature, since I cannot give
any first hand information (I’m leaving this query in the marine
folder in case someone else can). Following secondary literature
(e.g. fish guides) this species is a true marine fish inhabiting
sandy substrates. Valenciennea spp. are sand sifters and I guess,
aside their apparent long term intolerance to fresh water, it could
be hard to properly feed them in a fresh or brackish tank in the
long run, since well populated sand beds are rare in these setups.
What I found in books is basically the same what is written on
fishbase.org: shallow marine, found on sand beds close to reefs,
silty slopes, lagoons and coastal bays (perhaps some ventured into
an estuary and were caught there). If you want more information,
you’d probably have to look at: D.F. Hoese and H.K. Larson (1994):
Revision of the Indo-Pacific gobiid fish genus Valenciennea, with
descriptions of seven new species. Indo-Pacific Fishes (23):71 p, or
contact the authors. I’m not in the library today to look up more
about Valenciennea wardii in this piece, but I guess it is a
taxonomical piece, which usually have at least a little ecological
information. Since V. wardii is said to be rare it will also help to
confirm the ID of the sold gobies. Marco.>
http://www.azgardens.com/misc_fish.php
http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=217688 Cheers, Neale
Valenciennea wardii 10/24/07 An aquarium
store called 'Arizona Aquatic Gardens' is selling Valenciennea
wardii as a freshwater fish, though recommending it as a brackish
water fish (the salinity range suggested spans about SG 1.006 to
1.010). I've never seen this fish traded as a freshwater fish
before, <Me neither. Have only encountered as a full-marine>
and would be curious to know anything about this fish. Is it
indeed a euryhaline fish, or rather a true marine fish that happens
to tolerate brackish/freshwater for a while?
http://www.azgardens.com/misc_fish.php
http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=217688 Cheers,
Neale <Likely you too looked on Fishbase:
http://fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=12615 Listed as
a marine... I don't think any member of the genus will live long,
well in other than full-strength seawater. Cheers, BobF> |
Bullet Goby... Thin, Lack of Food? 9/9/07 Hello Crew,
<Hi Tim, Mich here.> I have a bullet goby which I has been a
great addition to my aquarium, <Glad to hear.> my algae is
almost non-existent thanks to him which brings about my problem. He
seems to clean so good that I'm afraid he's not getting enough food.
<Heehee! Send him my way I could feed him for a while!> To date
I've tried feeding him frozen brine, frozen Mysis, algae strips (may
or may not be eating) phytoplankton, pellet food (tried that
tonight, jury is still out) I'm considering krill next. <Ok. I
do have a few more suggestions. I would soak whatever you offer him
in a vitamin supplement such as Selcon. You may also want to try
Spirulina, dried brown or red algae, or perhaps some Spectrum foods.
I have not personally used Spectrum foods but I have heard many
extolling its palatability and high nutritional value.> The only
other fish he is competing with is a sebae clown which doesn't
bother him at all. I really don't want to lose this fish. Here is a
pic ... notice the stomach area. <Yes, he does not look well.
Perhaps you have friend whose tank has a little excess algae?>
Thank You, <Welcome! Mich> Tim
Bullet Goby... Thin, Lack of Food? Now Eating Brine Shrimp
9/10/07 <Hi Tim, Mich with you again.> Some good news, he
is eating live brine like a mad man. <YAY!> This is the first
time I've ever put live brine in my tank since it has zero
nutritional value. I'm going to start hatching some and soaking them
in Selcon. <Good, is a start. Hopefully will eventually be able
to get him to eat something with more nutritional value such as
frozen Mysis.> I hope it's not too late for him. <Me too!>
If I get live brine from the LFS, is it a waste of time soaking them
in Selcon? <No I think any bit might benefit this fish.> Thank
You, <Welcome! Mich> Tim | 
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Cleaning Sand and Feeding Gobies 06/02/2008 Hello, <<Good
evening, Andrew today>> My fiancé and I have had a 38 gallon tank for
almost 2 years now and we have never had clean sand! We have tried
everything from sand sifting stars that disintegrate in days, to a huge
clean up crew that resulted in hermits eating all our snails, to our
favorite the golden headed sleeper goby. But we were never properly
educated by the store we bought him from. They told us as long as he has
fine grain sand he'll be fine. WRONG! <<Yikes...Very wrong>> He
starved in about a month. We have been reading up and we know about the
copepods but do we really need a refuge tank? We are very limited with
space and money and the refuge isn't really any option at all. <<Not
even one of the cheap hang on refugiums? They really are low cost and
are of great benefit to your system, especially to promote copepod
growth, nutrient export>> We really want to get our sand clean again.
We recently added 20 Nassarius snails but they aren't doing much either
We would love to get another goby but we don't want another one to
starve. Any suggestions? <<Getting another goby is not really a good
option, as your already aware, as it will starve also as there is
obviously a lack of food in the substrate. I would suggest getting some
low flow going over the sandbed. This will stop particles settling, and
keep it in the water column to be removed via filtration. Maybe up the
filtration level on the tank. Don't know what your tank system is, so,
cannot really comment much more on that side of it>> Thanks, The
Tuggs <<Thanks for the questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>>
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