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Macrognathus panacalus
by Marco Lichtenberger,
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Ellipsifer eel question, hlth. – 09/22/09
I have had two ellipsifer eels for about three years now.
<Mastacembelus ellipsifer, put into the genus Aethiomastacembelus by
some.>
One died recently, she was the larger female prone to what I thought was
egg binding...her middle would get very fat and her vent would protrude
a lot. Epsom salts would help to clear that up. This happened on and off
for 8 months maybe.
<Maybe this was not caused by egg binding or solved by Epsom salt.>
A few months ago, the larger female just stopped eating. Nothing visibly
wrong with her. Same diet, same tank, no new tank mates. After a long
period of not eating, all other tank occupants remained fine, except my
second female ellipsifer. Her appetite started to wane. She never got a
bloated belly though. I decided to medicate the tank with metro. Didn't
work. The larger eel died a week or so later, the smaller of the two
eels stopped eating completely and hasn't eaten for about 2 weeks now.
She doesn't look sick in any way, just won't eat. She normally eats
frozen mysis shrimp. Doesn't want it. Offered her frozen bloodworms,
doesn't want it. Tried soaking the food in garlic, not interested. All
other tank occupants are fine, and I've since stopped using metro as it
didn't seem to be helping and I don't really know what's wrong anyway.
Not sure what to do at this point.
<My first approach would be to check the water parameters of the tank.
These eels are from lake Tanganyika (they are endemic and occur in
nowhere else in nature) and need corresponding water (alkaline, very
hard, nitrates below 20 ppm) to stay healthy. See here for details:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/Volume_5/RV_Cichlids.htm . You can try
small earthworms/nightcrawlers from a toxin free garden or live
bloodworms. Most spiny eels love both. Livebearer fry would be another
alternative. Mysis shrimp should not be the only food item, but rather
compose a small percentage of your eels’ diet. If you are using frozen
foods you may want to feed vitamins on a weekly basis to help the immune
system.>
She is in a hospital tank. What medication could I try on her that would
be safe for an ellipsifer?
<Since we cannot tell from the symptoms of not eating and dying what
your eel has, I’d aim for an improved environment if necessary and try
different food items (live worms of any kind). With regard to a possible
disease I can just guess that there might be some internal bacterial
infection. Spiny eels can be treated with the common antibiotics like
Maracyn, but as noted above I believe this might rather be
environmentally caused or deficiency disease related. For general
information on the family also see these three links:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWsubwebindex/matacembelids.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWsubwebindex/spinyeelsmonk.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_4/V4I3/Spiny_Eels/Spiny%20Eels.htm
.>
Thanks, Kelly.
<Good luck. Marco.>
Mastacembelus erythrotaenia; diet; health - 7/16/09
Hi
<Hello,>
I am starting to get really worried about my fire eel. He has always
loved prawns as his main diet, rarely touching anything else.
<Prawns contain a lot of thiaminase; over time, this causes Vitamin B1
deficiency. Use prawns only once or twice per week, and handsomely
outweigh them with foods that don't contain thiaminase, such as
earthworms.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_6/volume_6_1/thiaminase.htm
>
Water conditions are perfect, I change at least 25% once a week and he
has always been active and seemed happy, never tried to escape or have
any problem with tank mates. 6 days ago he stopped eating and wont eat
anything I try to temp him with (blood worm, river shrimp, muscle,
prawn).
<Oh dear. Earthworms are, without fail, the things Spiny Eels enjoy. So
try them. Offer them at night, or else using long forceps, so other fish
can't steal them.>
I noticed a couple of days ago a small white rotten looking patch at the
end of his tail and have treated the tank with ESHA 2000. He has become
a bit more active than he was initially ( when I first noticed he
wouldn't eat, he stopped coming out of his tunnel) but is acting strange
and still wont eat. He used to investigate everything, now he is just
sitting on the bottom, or as I saw earlier with his head at the top and
balancing on his tail at the bottom (not for O2 as there are 2 air
stones in the tank with more than enough O2).
<Spiny Eels are tricky fish, and if given a monotonous diet, they are
prone to malnutrition and hunger strikes. There's also the fact
bacterial infections seem to affect them more quickly than most other
freshwater fish. You're wise to treat what might be a bacterial
infection promptly; in the meantime, review the basics, and if needs be,
starve the fish until it takes some other types of food.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/spinyeelsmonk.htm
Baensch recommends adding a little salt; 2 to 4 teaspoons per 5 gallons.
While this isn't something you'd want to do all the time, it might well
be helpful in this situation as it helps detoxify nitrate and nitrite.>
He is about 35 cm long and in a 50 gal tank. I have had him about 6
months.
Please give me some advice.
Kristal
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Mastacembelus
erythrotaenia; diet; health - 7/16/09
thanks for your quick response. I will try earthworms to temp him back
to eating.
<Good.>
With regards to salt, I had heard that its not advised to put any salt
in with Corydoras. I have a sailfin Pleco, 2 gold nugget Plecos, 6 clown
loaches, 7 bronze Corydoras, a Firemouth cichlid, 2 silver sharks, a
pair of dwarf Gourami and a Siamese fighter. Would the salt still be a
good option as everyone else is happy and healthy?
<This dose of salt is harmless as a short-term therapy. In any event,
Mastacembelus erythrotaenia shouldn't be kept with most of these fishes.
The Betta is live food, as is the Dwarf Gourami. Corydoras are choking
hazards. Silver Sharks and Clown Loaches can be good companions, given
sufficient space and assuming they're big enough not to be eaten.
Mastacembelus erythrotaenia is a darn big fish when mature, and a
voracious predator. Suggest you go through your fish, and sort out
accordingly.>
Thanks.
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Mastacembelus
erythrotaenia; diet; health – 08/04/09
Hi, thanks for your advice previously. Thankfully, after more than 2
weeks of not eating, Mr eel started to eat again. But only prawns.
<I see.>
What is the best way to get him to try new food? we have tried trick him
with muscle in-between bits of prawn. He eats it initially then spits it
out! He wont touch any dried foods, not that i thought he would.
<Indeed.>
There isn't really anywhere for me to dig up worms close by.
<Any bait shops? They usually sell earthworms ("night crawlers") and you
can even buy worm farms from about £30 upwards that turn the stuff you
put into the green recycling bin into earthworms. These are clean, don't
smell, and are small enough to fit easily on a patio, in a shed, or
somewhere else cool and dry.>
And he ate river shrimps once when we first got him, but every other
time he ignores them. Even when they land on his nose!
<How odd!>
I am eager to try as you said prawns are not a great diet for him.
<Have you tried hand feeding? Spiny Eels are famously willing to feed
this way, once settled. Long forceps help, and initially at least, use
foods he takes, such as prawns. Once he gets used to feeding this way,
you might try other foods, such as strips of squid, lancefish (which you
get from fish shops) and of course earthworms. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Mastacembelus erythrotaenia 10/2/09
Kind reminder. Still no reply received . And now my eel has started
scratching like he has ick or something but still no visible signs of
any illness! I tried to catch him but they're too damn fast and i cannot
get to him!
<Replied to your question days ago. Check your inbox. If you can't find
it there, it's up on this page, here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebindex/spinyeelfdgfaqs.htm
Cheers, Neale.>
This is BobF, I place all daily... And have seen the responses to your
queries... Please check that you don't have this email inadvertently
blocked (e.g. in your "junk" folder).
Re: Mastacembelus erythrotaenia
Thank you so much. Did not find it in my inbox but saw it on your
webpage.
Cheers guys
<Happy to have helped. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Mastacembelus erythrotaenia – 10/3/09
Hi there guys!!! Current update!! My eel has started to lean on one side
to scratch on the driftwood, substrate e.t.c but still no visible marks
on his skin only some areas are "light grey" which i assume is from
scratching himself on the wood maybe??? Please help.
I'm really puzzled here!
<As I have said repeatedly, likely stress between specimens, the weaker
one now steadily losing good health as it eats less and spends more time
hiding. The point is that this species CANNOT be kept in groups. Remove
the second eel to its own aquarium, and it should get better. The grey
mucous may be a sign of environmental irritation, but if you suspect
bacterial infection, treat with a suitable antibiotic. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Mastacembelus erythrotaenia, hlth...
10/7/09
Hey Neale buddy,
<Antonis,>
It's been two and a half days since i put the smaller eel onto a
hospital tank(100 ltr) with only a pvc tube in and an Anubias, no gravel
no nothing else. Still not eating he's too scared I've never seen him
like this and i
fear for the worse.
<Likely unhappy in such a small aquarium. Mastacembelus erythrotaenia is
a big, delicate species.>
Still no visible illness signs or whatsoever and i honestly don't know
what to treat it with (Waterlife PROTOZIN maybe due to the fact that he
was scratching its sides on the wood????)
<Do not treat with this product. It contains formalin (formaldehyde
solution) and copper, both of which are toxic to Spiny Eels.>
Don't know what else to do...
<It needs to be re-homed. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Mastacembelus erythrotaenia... please refer
10/8/09
I'm planning to finish my monster tank within a month but i don't know
if he can last that long...And one last thing. The nitrates have gone up
to 2.0 and i used water from my other tank which nitrates are 0.0! No
foods left in or anything else. What is causing the nitrates to rise so
quickly?
<Fish will produce ammonia whether you feed them or not, and ammonia
ends up as nitrate once its been through the biological filter. Cheers,
Neale.>
Re: Mastacembelus erythrotaenia... reading....!
10/8/09
So will daily water changes help?
<Apropos to what? Yes, multiple small water changes rather than one big
one is usually a good idea. But provided you have 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite,
and relatively low nitrate (20 mg/l or less) then your Fire Eel should
be happy. I'd expect a 25% water change per week adequate under most
circumstances.>
For the health of the fish too? (This way maybe he'll survive for
another month)
<Certainly won't do any harm.>
He ate one small earthworm today but didn't want more... Good sign i
suppose...
<Indeed.>
Thank you for all your support Neale and really sorry for bothering you
this often.
<It isn't any bother.>
It's just because i love that little guy and i don't want to lose him
:o(
<I sympathise; Spiny Eels are lovely pets, and Mastacembelus
erythrotaenia in particular one of the nicest and best-looking fish in
the hobby. But they aren't sociable, and aggression between individuals
(perhaps the
sexually mature males?) is common. Cheers, Neale.>
Sick Peacock Eel??
6/11/09
I have a 125g tank that we recently switched from aggressive ( we had
two Oscars for 6-7 years that died) to a semi-aggressive tank. It
contains six silver dollars, three gold and three blue gouramis, a Plec,
a spotted cat, four tiny Cory cats, and two peacock eels.
<I see. Now, you do understand that Spiny Eels aren't easy to keep, and
small species like your Macrognathus siamensis find it very difficult to
compete with other fish for food? While the gouramis and characins
should be fine, the catfish might be unacceptable rivals at dinner
time.>
I have had one of the eels for about three months and the other for
about one month. They seemed to be thriving for a while, hiding during
the day either in two small caves, the large shipwreck, or under the
gravel, and coming out at dusk and traveling the tank all night.
<Another problem here: gravel. Without exception, the smaller
Macrognathus species are best kept in tanks with smooth silica sand.
Gravel damages their skin, and the result is a bacterial infection that
starts off with streaks of white mucous and dead skin, then bloody
patches, and eventually death. I have written about this here at WWM,
here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/spinyeelsmonk.htm
Much as I like Spiny Eels, I don't rate them very highly as species for
the casual hobbyist, and the vast majority of spiny eels die quite soon
after purchase.>
Recently after a water change (which we do weekly) one of the eels (the
newest) came out and was writhing around and twitching almost as if it
were having a seizure. This was about a week ago and since the eel has
been rather lethargic hanging in the plants or hiding only its head.
Today and yesterday it managed to find one of the caves and is staying
inside with his head poked out. I noticed that its snout appears to be
injured or maybe just pale.
<A suitable antibiotic such as Maracyn might help turn things around,
but you certainly need to replace the gravel with sand as well, if you
end up euthanising the one fish and hoping to keep the other.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/euthanasia.htm
>
I haven't seen him eating, but I rarely do as we feed the eels after
turning out the lights.
<Earthworms are their favourite foods, though wet frozen bloodworms and
Tubifex work well too. They will never, ever eat dried foods, whether
freeze-dried, flake or pellets. Needless to say, those specimens that
aren't scratched to death by gravel often end up starving to death
because they're offered the wrong food or forced to compete with catfish
and loaches. As I say, these are NOT easy fish to keep.>
Our water conditions are ideal, as we check them weekly also. Any
suggestions for treatment or a difference in care? Should I move him to
a hospital tank, and if so treat with what?
Thanks!
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Sick Peacock Eel??
6/11/09
Thank you for your fast reply!!
<Most welcome.>
Here's an update on the situation: We knew when buying the eels that
they are not easy to keep. We're really not what you would call casual
hobbyists, we have five different tanks and have been raising and even
breeding multiple types of aquatic life for several years. It just so
happens that we've never been exposed to the spiny eels before and don't
know much about them.
<OK.>
We did research before buying the eels, the only bad advice it seems we
obtained was that gravel is an acceptable substrate.
<Indeed; you cannot expect to keep these Spiny Eels for long in tanks
with gravel, period, end of discussion. They need a substrate made from
smooth silica sand (be careful when selecting other types of sand to
make sure they're "burrower friendly"). Floating plants are another key
addition.>
We do feed the eels bloodworms and place them in the caves with the eels
where the catfish cannot fit to take them.
<Hmm...>
I haven't seen any white mucous on the eel, only the damage to its
snout, it appears that he has either rubbed off or scratched off the tip
of his snout. After getting a better look at it, I can see a small white
dot
directly in the center of the snout that looks like bone!
<This is precisely how things start to go wrong. These fish burrow by
pushing their heads into the sediment. In the wild, that would be mud,
sand, and organic detritus such as leaf litter. So the head is plenty
strong enough to work its way through without damage. But gravel is far
too hard, scratches away the skin, and eventually creates wounds that
become infected. Once the infection begins, these fish are difficult to
treat, and anything other than the most minor infections seem to be
fatal in most cases. It's actually quite obvious why you can't keep them
in tanks with gravel when you think about it, which makes it even more
of a shame that so few retailers and hobbyists seem to be aware of the
issue.>
Is there anything I can do to heal the wound? Is Maracyn still the
recommendation?
<Yes, together with a different substrate. Cheers, Neale.>
Fire eel, fdg., hlth. 6/6/09
Hello my name is Crystal
<Hello,>
i have owned my pride and joy(fire eel) for almost 2 years not and she
is doing great with in the last 2 - 3 weeks she has been getting really
picky with food (which i know is normal)
<Indeed; but few Spiny Eels resist tasty, juicy earthworms! So if you
have an "organic" garden (one where sprays aren't used) go collect some
earthworms from under stones, flower pots and rotting wood! Leave your
Spiny Eel to starve for a couple days, and then introduce one or two
live earthworms at dinner time.>
and she's not nearly as active as she normally is she is in a 90 gal
tank but today i noticed that she has a red sore or bump on her cheek/
mouth
<Could well be a bacterial infection following physical damage, e.g.,
from trying to dig into gravel or from fighting with another fish. Treat
with an antibiotic such as Maracyn promptly to prevent further
problems.>
i have salt all ready in the tank and the normal chemicals with the
right levels for everything
<A bit concerned you mention salt, since this species doesn't really
need salt. But in any case, review water chemistry and water quality:
you want moderately hard water, an approximately neutral pH, 0 ammonia,
and 0 nitrite. There's no real need to add salt, since these fish don't
come from brackish water habitats.>
just wondering if this maybe an injury or could it be a parasite as i
have never have seen anything like this
<Yes, they can get parasites, but the usual way this happens is when
people make the BIG mistake of feeding them feeder fish. Spiny eels
certainly don't need live fish in their diet, and goldfish and minnows
would be doubly bad because these are rich in fat and thiaminase. Used
over the long term, goldfish and minnows can cause major, probably
irreversible, problems. So, assuming you haven't used feeder fish, then
parasites are probably not an issue. If you've used feeder fish, then
almost anything could be wrong, and only a vet can tell you precisely
what the matter is.
In case I'm not making my point clear, aquarists should not use feeder
fish they've purchased from pet stores or bait shops, and if they must
use them for obligate piscivores (which your eels aren't) then those
feeder fish need to be home-bred and gut-loaded members of a "non toxic"
species, such as Mollies or Killifish.>
thank you and just looking for a response on if i should worry thank you
hope to here from you soon
Crystal & Jess
<Do see more about Spiny Eels, here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/spinyeelsmonk.htm
Cheers, Neale.>
HELP!! My peacock eel is dying!! 03/29/09
Hello All!
<Hi,>
My spiny eel is dying; breathing rapidly, jerking, flopping all over the
tank.
<Oh. Doesn't sound good.>
Water condition is ideal, I can detect no visible signs of
disease/trauma on the eel, everything appears ideal, everything is great
except all of a sudden he is acting strange, even laying on the sand
upside down and on his side.
<If water quality and water chemistry are good, I'd actually be
suspicious of toxins: paint fumes, varnish fumes, anything children
might "accidentally" have dumped in the aquarium. Spiny Eels are fairly
sensitive fish, so toxins, copper, formalin and various other things can
cause them to reach badly. In this case, I'd do a big (75%) water change
to flush out any potential toxins, taking care the new water matches the
old in terms of pH and hardness.>
Is there anything I can do to make him better or help him out in any
way?
What could have caused this? Please help!
Lana
<Do have a peruse of this article:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebindex/spinyeelsmonk.htm
Cheers, Neale.>
Re: HELP!! My peacock eel is dying!! 03/29/09
Thank you, Neale, for such a fast response.
<My pleasure.>
I have been up all night watching my eel. I actually did a 70-80% water
change at about 2am and I do think that helped.
<Cool.>
I don't know if you remember my other letter, the one where my eel
disappeared? It appears as if I have found him/her. I was vacuuming my
larger Gourami tank (the one that the eels were in originally and the
one disappeared from) and after removing the large artificial rock I
looked to the bottom of the tank and, lo and behold, there he was, big
as life!
<Great!>
I quickly removed him and put him in my eel tank and he has been fine
since. He must have been hiding inside the rock because I completely
emptied the tank, sand and all when I moved the eels.
<Does happen. Back in the prehistory of the hobby (i.e., pre-1990) it
was very common for people to discover colonies of fish living inside
(underneath) their undergravel filters, often things like Kuhli
loaches.>
It is very curious though, because I drained all of the water out of
that rock no less than 4 times to vacuum the tank, so if he was in that
rock he was without water for 15-20 minutes at a time.
<Many fish will tolerate long periods out of water, provided they are
damp. At least some Mastacembelidae have an air-breathing ability
that allows them to tolerate swampy conditions, so these would be good
candidates for a list of fish able to live out of water for many
minutes.>
There is no way he could have been in the gravel because I used a rather
large substrate that would have been impossible for him to burrow in. It
is the other eel that appears to be ill.
<OK.>
After the water change this morning he did eat some and did some sort of
fast moving dance with the other eel on and off for most of the night.
Is it possible for them to be mating?
<These are Macrognathus siamensis, right? That's a fairly sociable
species, so may be merely some sort of dominance assertion ritual. Spiny
Eels breed extremely infrequently, and when it happens, it seems more
luck than anything else. Females are much deeper bodied than the males
though, so sexing two similar sized specimens of the same species should
be fairly easy. Males are broadly circular in section, maybe a little
compressed from side to side, but females are dramatically more
compressed, especially when sexually mature.>
One of them is most definitely more full-bodied than the other, since I
bought them at the same time, from the same shop.
<OK; well, given this, may well be a male and a female. Little is known
of their precise breeding habits. In Baensch, reference is made (under
the incorrect name, Macrognathus aculeatus) to one breeding success. The
male was 11 cm, the female 19 cm, so those are possible sizes they need
to be to breed. Mating was described (translated) as "vehement"
(heaven's only know what the original German word was, though presumably
this means it was boisterous) and a 1000 eggs about 1.2 mm across were
produced. These hatched after 3 days, and after another 3 days the fry
became mobile and
started feeding on Radiolaria and Cyclops nauplii. Conditions: 24-26 C,
pH 7.2, 39 (!!!) degrees dH. Other reports from memory include one where
the eggs were laid among floating plants. So far as I know, the adults
do not extend any kind of broodcare, and should probably be removed
after spawning. Or put another way, if you came across some eggs, I'd
remove them to, e.g., a floating trap so you could watch them. If they
did spawn, I'd like to hear about it! It's really extremely rare.>
So I do think he is better, but now it is day time and while the other
eel has gone under the sand this one still is out. My plan is to perform
daily water changes until he is back to normal. Any other suggestions?
<Not really; observation is the order of the day, and perhaps tempt them
with some earthworms if you have some (yet to meet a Spiny Eel who
wouldn't take these yummy morsels!).>
Should I add some Pimafix just in case?
<Possibly, but if you use either this or Melafix, understand these are
at best preventatives (like dabbing a cut with antiseptic ointment) and
not really much of a remedy otherwise.>
Lana
<Good luck, Neale.>
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Re: HELP!! My peacock eel is
dying!! 3/30/09
Alright, my eel is still alive, but will not bury herself and just lays on
her side. She does have some red marks on her. I have attached pics.
<Yes, I see them. Does look like a bacterial infection; Erythromycin or
similar will be the only option that I can think of. Spiny Eels are prone to
these infections. The addition of a small amount of salt may benefit;
Baensch recommends 1-2 teaspoons per 2.5 gallons.>
Also, while we're at it, can you identify her for me?
<Macrognathus siamensis. See for example, here:
http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/FactSheet.asp?speciesID=2261
In the hobby, this fish is often called Macrognathus aculeatus or the
Peacock Eel.>
I have two identical, one more deeper-bodied, but identical all the same.
They are supposed to be Peacock Eels but you know how that goes...
<This is what they are, likely a boy and a girl.>
Anyway...I have removed her to a hospital tank with sand, heater and
airstone. I even put in a plastic floating plant so she would feel more
secure. I have not added Pimafix to the water yet as I wanted to ask you
what you thought of a salt bath.
<At dose mentioned, though as a *supplement* to the antibiotic, not an
alternative. This is bacterial, and it does require a systemic approach to
fix.>
I was not sure if a salt bath would harm her or not so I wanted to ask
first.
<Spiny eels tolerate salt well, so unlikely to do harm.>
She seems listless whilst in the tank but when I was trying to net her she
really gave me a run for my money, so that makes me feel a little better.
I really do not want to lose her. I have spent hours upon hours watching her
eat, and watching her watch me. What do you think the red marks are?
<Specifically, they're signs of inflammation, or where the blood vessels
have been blocked by bacteria.>
She did not have those until last night. I went to work about midnight and
they were just starting and I got home about an hour ago and she looks like
this. That's when I put her in the hospital tank. Everyone else in the tank
is fine, as far as I know.
<Quick, treat her!>
Thank you a million times for your help. I am rather new to the hobby and
have read many of your articles and letters before buying my eels.
<Try Maracyn first; if that doesn't work, switch to Maracyn 2 as that
catches different types of bacteria.>
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Lana
<Good luck, Neale.>
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Re: HELP!! My
peacock eel is dying!! 3/30/09
Thank you again and again!
<You're welcome.>
Just so I am clear...dose with Maracyn,
<Several doses, across several days; follow instructions to the letter!
Remember to remove carbon, if used.>
Pimafix
<Unnecessary.>
and add salt?
<I would, at the dose suggested by Baensch.>
Or should I leave off with the Pimafix for now?
<Pimafix won't fix anything Maracyn can't.>
And also, are we talking table salt or aquarium salt?
<Aquarium ("tonic") salt, though non-iodised cooking salt will work too.
Don't use marine salt mix: that would alter the pH and hardness.>
Sorry for all the dumb questions, but I really want to get this right.
<The only dumb question is the one not asked...>
Also, a friend recommended using Lifeguard; it's made by Jungle, and it
almost seems as if I have used it before in my son's tank. Will this be safe
for my eel?
<No personal experience. Would recommend not to mix medications.>
How do I know if it is safe or not?
<Depends on the ingredients; would tend to avoid copper, formalin when
treating Spiny Eels.>
Also, the picture of the eel you sent does not look like my eel at all.
She has spots on her tail but she has dark stripes running along her sides.
<The only sharp photos you sent me are of the back end, and that matches
Macrognathus siamensis. But do also check Macrognathus aral, another
commonly traded "peacock eel".>
Again, thanks a million for all of your help.
Lana
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: HELP!! My
peacock eel is dying!! 3/30/09
I have attached a couple photos I took a little while ago.
<Appears to be Macrognathus aral, or something similar. Do see here to
peruse some other members of the family:
http://www.fishbase.org/identification/specieslist.cfm?famcode=432&areacode=
>
I ended up putting her back in my eel tank because I noticed my heater
wasn't working properly and she was acting decidedly worse. I added the
Maracyn to the tank; it comes in little packets of powder and the directions
say to just dump it in but as you can see in the photos it leaves little
white clumps everywhere.
<How odd.>
Will it be ok to dissolve it in water next time?
<That's what I'd do. Add the powder to a cup of water, stir well, and then
pour across the top of the aquarium in a zig-zag motion from left to right,
so that the solution gets evenly distributed.>
Again and again, thanks!!
Lana
<Happy to help. Cheers, Neale.>
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Re: HELP!! My peacock eel is dying!!
4/1/09
Hello again!
<Hello Lana,>
I have enclosed a photo of my poor eel taken this morning. I am
broken-hearted.
<Eek!>
She is still breathing, but that is about all. With as advanced as her
infection is, do you think she has a chance of pulling through?
<Unlikely.>
I just don't know what to do. I started her on the Maracyn -2, or whatever
it is called, the other one you suggested, yesterday.
<Good.>
Part of me wants to believe that the fact that she is still alive shows she
is getting better, but the logical part feels like she is just slowly dying
and needs to be put out of her misery (that sounds so awful).
<I doubt she'll recover. The problem with Spiny Eels is once they get sick,
it really is difficult to heal them. I don't really know why this is, but to
prevent this happening in the first place is my usual approach, e.g., in
terms of soft sand rather than gravel.>
I have looked deep into myself and I absolutely CANNOT end this eel's life.
<Never easy. Is she showing any signs of getting better? E.g., more
movement, healed skin. If not, would recommend overdosing with Clove Oil.
This first sedates the fish, and then eventually the fish suffocates as its
breathing rate slows down.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/euthanasia.htm
It's a peaceful way to go, according to vets. A litre of water with 20-30
drops of clove oil should do the trick. Stir well, and then add the fish.>
I trust your opinion, so I am asking you what you think: Should I end her
suffering (or find someone who can) or let this go on and see what happens?
Lana
<Sorry this isn't ending well. Good luck either way, Neale.>
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Re: HELP!! My peacock eel is dying!! – 04/07/09
Hello Neale,
<Hello Lana,>
I am sorry to say that my poor eel is gone. I used the clove oil
yesterday morning. I feel absolutely horrible. I know that it was the
right thing to do because she was suffering horribly, but I still feel
sad.
<I sympathise, and am sorry to hear this.>
Thank you so much for all of your help with this. It is such a good
feeling, knowing that there is someone I can count on for help during
times like these.
<Thank you for saying this.>
When I was first thinking about buying eels I Googled "peacock eel" and
came across the Wet Web Media site; I sat for hours reading the articles
you wrote on spiny eels. When I say I couldn't have done it without you,
I really mean I couldn't have done it without you. Thank you so much for
that.
Lana
<I do hope the other eels are healthy and happier. Once settled down and
feeding they can be long lived, even hardy fish. But they don't travel
well. Good luck, Neale.>
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Peacock Eel Floating?
3/18/09
Dear Crew,
<Hello,>
In my 30 gal tank I have had a ~9 inch peacock eel for years who is
generally happy and shy and hides in the plentiful plastic plants and
small rock caves. When threatened, it burrows into the round pebbles but
normally is comfortable enough to just hide in the plants. The other
fish (various tetras, Leaffish, algae eater, swimmers, etc) leave the
eels alone.
<Not a big fan of pebbles in Spiny Eel tanks: sooner or later the fish
gets scratched, and then secondary infections set in. Small species like
Macrognathus siamensis should be kept in tanks with smooth silica sand.
Do see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWsubwebindex/matacembelids.htm>
Recently it became so bloated that it floats when still, so has to
anchor under some plants or position itself under rock ceiling. I change
water and vacuum every 2-3 weeks and chemistry is OK except
nitrites/nitrates can occasionally get on the high end of acceptable. I
add aquarium salt according to directions.
<How much salt? And why? Macrognathus siamensis isn't a brackish water
fish, and while there may be value to salt as a therapy under some
situations, continual exposure to salt can cause problems for freshwater
fish. One reaction is bloating, and indication that their osmoregulatory
system has been overloaded in some way. Unless you're keeping one of the
truly brackish water species, like Macrognathus aral, there's no need to
use salt.>
Other fish in tank get flakes. Ran out of frozen bloodworms for eels and
switched to frozen brine shrimp for the last month or so. I hand feed
this eel and my other younger peacock eel. Every now and then I put in
some pieces of cooked egg or salmon for variety.
<Don't use egg. Not a natural part of their diet, and can cause
constipation.>
I have noticed some bubbles coming from the big one's anus on two
different occasions so wondering if this is just a bad case of gas that
will work itself out or if something else is going on.
<So far as I know, spiny eels aren't air breathers, so I wouldn't expect
them to expel gases out of their vent in the same way as certain
air-breathing fish.>
Ready to lay eggs?
<Possibly; female Spiny Eels are distinctly laterally compressed because
they are substantially deeper bodied than the males. Sometimes, certain
fish become egg-bound in captivity if not kept with males: even if the
eggs don't develop into fry, the simple act of spawning "clears out" the
female reproductive tract.>
I adore my eels and would appreciate any help you can give.
<Very difficult to say precisely what the problem is. As mentioned
above, there are at least three possible factors. Gravel simply doesn't
work with spiny eels in the long term, and nondescript bacterial
infections are the almost invariable result. The regular addition of
salt to freshwater aquaria causes more problems than it fixes, and isn't
recommended because it can cause precisely the sort of bloating problems
you're experiencing here (see, for example, Malawi Bloat). Finally, egg
binding is an occasionally reported problem among species of fish that
refuse point-blank to spawn in captivity. While there isn't much you can
do about egg binding beyond adding a male and hoping for the best, I'd
also recommend treating with a suitable antibiotic (e.g., erythromycin
or Minocycline) while adding Epsom salt at a dose of 1 teaspoon per 5 to
10 US gallons. These will have the combined effect of (hopefully)
killing the bacterial infection while
restoring the osmotic balance within the fish. Stop with the regular
salt though!>
Thanks very much!!
Dianne
<Cheers, Neale.>
Peacock Eel looking pale
2/3/09 Hi, I have a peacock eel who is becoming very pale,
almost pinkish, and his spots seem to be transparent. He's about 6-8'', and I've
had him for a year now in a 55 gallon tropical tank. I've had past problems with
bacterial infections due to sick feeder fish, and over the course of several
months lost the majority of my fish. The eel never seemed affected though. I
treated it and decided to change my tank to African cichlids since I only had 7
fish left. The tropical tank was kept at 80 degrees with a pH of 7.8. I had
colorful decorations with dark blue and purple pebbles. The eel was always the
typical color, light brown with a lighter belly and dark eye spots. When I
changed to a cichlid tank 2 days ago, I changed the dark larger gravel to a sand
colored crushed coral which upped the pH to 8.2, temp is still 80 degrees. I
also added some brown flagstone for the cichlids (I only have 4 yellow labs
under 2"so far). The eel has been very active since the majority of fish were
lost, and he eats well. His behavior hasn't changed since the tank was
switched over, there are no sores and his skin is smooth and intact, but his
color has definitely paled. My question is this: Can a peacock eel change
colors to better match it's surroundings? or, Could it be the pH? I really love
my eel, and want to do whatever I can to keep him healthy. I would hate to know
I'm causing him to fail in this tank. Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks, Beth <Hello Beth. The answer to your specific questions are [a] yes,
fish do change their colours somewhat, depending on their mood and environment;
and [b] pH is possibly an issue here. But let's expand this slightly. Spiny Eels
are notoriously prone to bacterial infections, and shouldn't be brought within a
mile of feeder fish. End of story. Whether or not they actually eat the feeder
fish is immaterial, simply putting feeder fish in the tank is an unacceptable
risk. Secondly, Spiny Eels are very easily damaged by anything other than smooth
sand. Gravel and pebbles are totally unacceptable for the smaller species.
Most people who try eventually end up with a dead Spiny Eel. This happens so
often I just consider it mandatory to keep the small Macrognathus species Spiny
Eels in tanks with a smooth silica (silver) sand substrate. Always take care
not to use things like Tahitian Moon Sand as these are "sharp" sands. The
manufacturers actually state that these sands are incompatible with burrowing
fish, but too many aquarists ignore this, and wonder why their Spiny Eel gets
shredded and eventually infected with a bacterial infection of some type.
Crushed coral is inadvisable for a variety of reasons; partly because it raises
the pH and hardness, and partly because Spiny Eels can't burrow through it.
Coral sand could be mixed with silver sand at a ratio of up to one part coral
sand to four parts silver sand, but any more than that would also raise the pH
and hardness excessively. There are Spiny Eels from Lakes Tanganyika and Malawi,
but the Peacock Eel (Macrognathus siamensis) is not one of them, and
consequently has no place long term in a Rift Valley Cichlid aquarium. Even
if the water chemistry won't kill it immediately, the aggressive behaviour of
the cichlids will, either directly, or through making it difficult for the Spiny
Eel to feed. The native Spiny Eels are "used" to cichlids and actually prey on
them, or more specifically, their fry. They don't burrow but instead hide in the
rocks, and while not commonly traded they are available from time to time.
If your Spiny Eel has changed colour, my gut feeling is that this may be partly
to "blend in" but could equally easily be a stress reaction. This fish doesn't
belong in this tank, and shouldn't be kept with Malawi cichlids, period. Do see
here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/spinyeelsmonk.htm Hope this
helps, Neale.>
Re: Peacock Eel
looking pale (Time to get creative!) 2/3/09
Thank You, <Most welcome.> Here's my next question... I don't know
anyone with a tropical tank I would trust not to kill my eel. I'm also
afraid to give it to a fish store just to suffer elsewhere. Do you have any
suggestions for where I could look if I need to give him up? <The best advice
is to get in contact with a local fish club. Many have an online forum, so even
if you can't travel, you can still communicate. That's probably your best
way to learn the better stores or fishkeepers in your area. I'm in England, so
my knowledge of the aquarium hobby in Florida is somewhat limited!> I spoke
with at least 4 different fish store guys (not Petsmart) all told me the eel
would do fine in the cichlid tank. <It's possible they were thinking of the
African species of Spiny Eel, such as Mastacembelus ellipsifer, which do indeed
cohabit with (some) cichlids quite well. But the reality is that people
sometimes know rather less than they think they know. It's always important to
research topics independently, though stuff that's been edited by experts,
whether books, magazines, or web sites like this one. In this case the problem
is that, for example, Malawi cichlids and Spiny Eels need completely different
food. Mbuna are mostly herbivorous, but will eat meaty foods if offered, and
this makes them sick if given to excess. Spiny Eels are carnivores, but slow
ones, so most insect larvae or whatever put in the tank will be eaten by Mbuna
long before the Spiny Eels find them. Again, the pH and hardness suitable for
Malawi cichlids is much to high for Asian Spiny Eels. Yet again, the cichlids
want coral sand and lots of rocks, whereas the Spiny Eels need soft sand and
feathery plants. It's difficult for me to see how you can satisfy the needs of
the Spiny Eels and the Mbuna in the same system, even hoping that the Spiny
Eels will be smart enough to avoid being bitten or harassed by aggressive
cichlids.> My choosing cichlids was dependent on the ability for the eel to
thrive, and they all claimed the crushed coral was not so coarse as to damage
him. <Coral sand probably won't scratch him, but it's far from ideal.>
Today he's hanging out over the aerator bubbles and he's jumped into the filter
once (he only did that when I treated the tank with Pimafix and it irritated
him) so I know he's not happy. <Indeed.> I really can't set up another
tank, but I want to see him where he'll be happy, and he likes a lot of space.
Thanks for your time <Here's my workaround. You have so far only Yellow
Labs, right? Go back to a regular planted community tank. Yellow Labs have been
bred so much in captivity known they should adapt to such conditions. Keep the
pH around 7.5, keep the hardness around, say, 12-15 degrees dH, and make
sure the water is well oxygenated. Use plants that do well in such conditions
(most will be fine). Use soft silica sand on the bottom, and arrange some rocks
in heaps for the cichlids to use, while leaving plants in other areas. Don't
get any more Malawi cichlids (at least not without talking to me first!) and
just stick with species that should adapt to such conditions. All else being
equal, I'd expect such a community to just about work. Yellow Labs are hardy
and not aggressive, so compared with Malawi cichlids generally, they're fairly
good in communities. You will need to feed the Spiny Eels at night to make sure
they get enough to eat, but other than that, I can't see any major problems. Not
textbook cichlid keeping, but viable. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Peacock Eel looking pale 2/3/09
I apologize for all the questions, but... I forgot to add that I also added 2
tablespoons of salt to my 55 gallon tank on Saturday (advised by the fish store
guy after checking the water) and I wondered if the salt would irritate him more
than the pH which was increased from 7.8 to 8.2. Our house has a water softener,
which was never a problem before. If I do some slight water changes will this
help him until I can figure out what to do? Will the salt burn his skin, or is
the alkaline just way too high? Thanks, and again sorry for all the here and
there questions <Who told you to add salt to a tank with Malawi cichlids?
There's a fair consensus that salt is one cause of Malawi Bloat, and should not
be used as an additive in this way. As a component alongside Epsom salt and
baking soda, marine salt mix can be used to create a home-brew Malawi salt,
but it should not be used alone. You also shouldn't use water from a domestic
water softener. Very bad for fish. Spiny Eels are actually fairly tolerate
of salt, and some species occur in brackish water. But just to be clear: use
plain, un-softened tap water, with no salt, in your aquarium (but with
dechlorinator, of course). Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Peacock Eel looking pale
2/3/09 THANK YOU SO MUCH! For future reference, what other
types of cichlid can I add. I want to stay with the less aggressive. Are
"electric blue" or "peacock" ok? They were suggested by the fish store.
Thanks, Beth <No, I wouldn't go with Aulonocara spp. in the tank I
described earlier. Even the Labidochromis is pushing it, but they're fairly
small, peaceful and adaptable. To be honest, I wouldn't add any other cichlids
until I had seen the tank running stably for a while, three months at least.
Concentrate on midwater things if need be, barbs and the like. Cheers, Neale.>
Red fire eel with
a spot 1/10/09 Hello My name is
Karen B. and I have a 40 gallon tank that has been running
for the past 22 years with fresh water tropical fish. The
tank has two power heads, 4 inches of gravel, 40 pounds of
decorative rock, many live plants, an under gravel filter
plates. I do my water changes every other week and vacuumed
part of the bed every month. Many years ago I worked in a
fish only shop where I fell in love with fish keeping. I
used to breed fresh water fish and got my red fire eel as a
one inch baby from a customer. He's now almost 20 years old,
about 22 inches long, a good eater (hand feed Calf. black
worms) and has had many tank mates over the years. Most have
died of old age and some he did eat in the beginning. About
a month ago he developed a spot on his side, it's round and
looks a little fuzzy it's about the size of a small pea.
He's had this spot for a while and it never got any bigger
or seemed to bother him. I did treat the tank with a fungal
medicine for a week with no help because I didn't know what
else to do for him. Now I've done my water changes and in
the past few weeks he has developed several white freckles
on his belly running the full length. I've been web
searching and found very little information on how long fire
eels live or anything about his spot(s). I talked to the
local pet shop who told me to try here. So here I am
question in hand. None of his tank mates are ill or have any
spots. I know eels don't do well in medicated tanks for long
periods of time because they are skin fish I really don't
want to loose him. Worried Karen <Hello Karen. Fire
Eels (Mastacembelus erythrotaenia) are -- in common with all
Spiny Eels -- prone to skin infections. Left untreated,
these can quickly cause the death of your fish. The usual
problem is that people decide to keep their Spiny Eel in a
tank with gravel and/or jagged rocks. Spiny Eels are
burrowers, and their small scales are easily removed if they
try to burrow into gravel. Once the scales are gone, their
first line of defense against opportunistic infections is
breached, and the chances of things like Fungus and Finrot
dramatically increase. I really can't stress this point
strongly enough: small Spiny Eels (like peacock eels) should
never be kept in tanks with gravel, and the larger species,
such as Fire Eels, should only be kept with smooth gravel
and smooth rocks. Also check how clean the gravel or sand in
your tank is: over time, both become "dirty" and should
really be cleaned with each water change. While the bacteria
on the gravel or sand are usually harmless, in large
quantities they can cause problems, the classic example
being bacterial erosion of catfish barbels. I mention this
because damage to a Spiny Eel's belly is very common the
first sign of bacterial problems. Now, given your specimen
is a whopping 20 years old there's no way you're a "newbie"
at this, and your basic mode of fishkeeping must be
essentially sound. But I would recommend looking through
your tank for anything dirty, sharp or jagged, and removing
it. On the other hand, I suspect your fish is to some degree
getting old, and his immune system may be getting weaker,
and even in the best aquarium, he may become more prone to
infections, no matter what. Next up, how to treat! Spiny
Eels are sensitive to copper or formalin. An antibiotic
would be a good first pass treatment, something like Maracyn
or, if that doesn't work, Maracyn 2 (these treat different
sets of Finrot bacteria). Apply any medications carefully,
and as always, take care to increase aeration of the water
during the treatment and keep a close eye out for signs of
distress. Alternatively, look for a copper-free medication
suitable for use in marine tanks and/or with
copper-sensitive species such as Stingrays and Mormyrids.
The addition of a small amount of tonic (not marine) salt to
the water may be useful too; when keeping this species,
Baensch recommends 1-2 teaspoons (about 6-12 grammes) per
2.5 gallons (about 10 litres) and I don't have any quibbles
with that. Spiny Eels generally tolerate salt extremely well
and tonic salt won't affect pH or hardness (as opposed to
marine salt mix, which would). Higher salinities might be
used to treat Fungal infections directly, though by itself
salt doesn't have much impact on bacterial infections like
Finrot. I'd expect a Fire Eel to handle salinities up to SG
1.003 without any fuss at all, and quite possibly a little
higher. Tea-tree oil treatments such as Melafix might have
some beneficial support function, but I wouldn't rely on
them to treat the infection at hand here. Spiny Eels are
fantastic fish, and the Fire Eel in particular. Wishing you
luck, Neale.>
Re: red fire eel with a spot
1/11/09 thanks for your quick response I am worried about my old man
in the tank. I did a water change today and will do another partial tomorrow.
I've printed out the email and will head out the pet shop today. Thanks again.
Karen <Happy to help. Cheers, Neale.>
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Egg
bound Aethiomastacembelus elipsifer eel
Female African Eel Full Of Eggs 8/23/08
Hello. I have an Aethiomastacembelus elipsifer eel that is
frequently very full of eggs. I've had her for about two years now.
I tried to get a male for her, but unfortunately the young eel I bought
turned out to be another female. My problem is that my eel is egg bound.
She did not want to eat a few days ago, so I put in about 2 tablespoons
Epsom salts per 10 gallons into her tank, and raised the tank
temperature a little over a degree so that it is now 80.8 degrees F. She
became active the next day, and begged to eat, but she still looks
pretty big. I have not fed her for three days because I want to give her
body time to reabsorb the eggs. She normally eats frozen mysis shrimp
with liquid vitamins or freeze dried Tubifex worms. I did look at some
of the old WetWebMedia files, and found where it was mentioned using a
bath of 1 tablespoon Epsom salt per gallon of water, but she's in a
heavily rocked large tank and I'd rather not have to dismantle all the
rocks to get her out. I will probably give her a light feeding today. I
hope that she will be okay. My thought was, if she doesn't continue to
improve or goes downhill, would it be okay to roll her mysis shrimp with
some Epsom salt so that she would ingest a grain or two? She eats from
my hand, so I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to do if it would be
safe. Thank you. Kelly IMG_8236.JPG
< With freight being so expensive and the dollar losing its value in the
world market, shipments of wild Lake Tanganyikan are becoming
increasingly rare and very expensive. Not many retailers are willing to
spend the time and money to bring in wild fish. Trying to find a rare
African eel can be very difficult these days. In 2002 I was diving in
Lake Tanganyika and we found many baby eels in the shallower areas of
the lake near weed beds. The water temp there was 84 F. This makes me
think that maybe the eels are coming up to the shallower areas to spawn
and the elevated water temps may aid in spawning. Since you have already
elevated the water temp and have observed some recovery, I would suggest
trying a couple more degrees instead of adding the salt to the diet and
see if things get any better.-Chuck> |
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Sick fire eel 7/4/08
Hello,
<Hi there>
I am desperately seeking help for my sick fire eel. I have had several
fire eels in the past and have done very well with them but I have a
very Sick one on my hands right now. My eel is about 25 inches long and
very was very healthy looking, about 3 inches tall and nice and full, I
have never had one That was this big before.
<Is very good size>
Then one day I noticed (and I check on my fish every day, so it looked
like the eel was fine one day and was having problems the next) my eel
was upside down in his tube. My eel kept trying to get upright but would
just keep rotating around, (I don't know his sex but I'm just going to
refer to my eel as he) he looked fine on the outside, he has No visible
marks or sores but he is starting to breath very heavy. I have a feeling
it might have something to do with his diet, since he is so big I have
been feeding him minnows and almost everyday.
<Mmm...>
From what I have read from your web it wasn't the best thing for him and
he may have overeaten?
<This or parasites... a lack of some nutrient...>
I went to the fish store and have read the questions on your web site,
but I haven't had any luck making him any better. Myself and the fish
store I deal with thought it must be some kind of parasite or infection
inside (from the minnows)
<Yes, most likely>
so I bought some prozi-pro
<Something like this... Praziquantel is only for worms... what if this
is a protozoan?>
and tried that. No luck.
I did water changes and went back to the fish store and they suggested
trying TC Tetracycoline
<Mmm, not this antibiotic either>
(spelling might be off I'm at work and don't have the box with me) I
have tried a full cycle of that with water changes and still no luck. It
has been over a week and he is getting worse, I feel so bad for him, he
is breathing really labored and heavy at times, I feel so helpless. He
now just Hangs upside down at the top, it's almost like he is paralyzed,
he try's to move sometimes but just can't. The only other fish I have in
the tank are My discus, so I want to be careful I don't stress them out
either.
Please Help,
Thank You,
Cherie
<Read on WWM re the one-time use of Metronidazole/Flagyl. Bob Fenner>
Re: sick fire eel 07/07/08
Thank You for the advise it sounds like it might have helped but
unfortunately he died this weekend, it just killed me to see him suffer.
Now I know for the next time that your site exists and I can go there
for Help. It was a very sad loss
Thanks again,
Cherie
<Ah yes. Thank you for this follow-up Cherie. BobF>
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Peacock eel seems sick
2/16/08
Hello
I have a 30 gallon freshwater tank. I set up my tank about 3 weeks ago, and I
bought a peacock eel about 5 or 6 days ago, and he seems sick now. We bought him
at Wal-mart (yes I have learned my lesson about that) and they couldn't really
tell us anything about him.
<Never, ever buy a fish that neither you nor the store clerk knows anything
about. I cannot begin to tell you the number of disasters that begin this way.>
Luckily, I read online that he ate dried bloodworms, which I had on hand from a
while ago.
<No chance, and certainly not when newly imported from the wild, which will
likely be the case here. Newly introduced Spiny Eels overwhelmingly need live
foods, ideally earthworms, Tubifex, or bloodworms. Once settled in they will eat
(wet) frozen bloodworms and the like. But not dried foods. Also, they will not
compete with other benthic fish, so cannot be kept in tanks with, for example,
loaches or catfish.>
Unluckily, he doesn't seem to want to eat them.
<No surprise at all.>
He seemed fine for a few days, he was swimming around quite a bit, mostly
seeming to chase his own reflection against the glass.
<He's trying to get out from this puddle he's trapped in (an aquarium) that
completely lacks any edible foods.>
Yesterday we noticed he wasn't swimming around as much, and I started becoming
more concerned about the fact that I had not seen him eat.
<I'd be worried, too. Go into the garden and dig up a couple of small
earthworms. Put in the tank and let the eel eat them at his leisure, i.e.,
without competition.>
So today we went to our local fish store and they sold us some feeder fish (the
very small kind, since he is only about a three inch eel).
<No no no. These fish should not be given feeder fish. Spiny Eels are among THE
most sensitive fish on the planet when it comes to infections, and sticking
cheap fish bred in squalid conditions (i.e., a feeder fish) is sort of like
asking Typhoid Mary to cook your lunch.>
The woman assured us that he would eat them.
<She told you she knew nothing about the fish, and then assured you this was the
correct diet? You should have smelled a rat.>
But when we got home we noticed the eel was just laying over the plunger that is
holding the heater onto the tank. We added the feeder fish and he was completely
uninterested in them, even when they went so far as to swim around his head.
<Not his normal diet. He eats worms, insect larvae, and small benthic
invertebrates of various types. Mostly taken from on and in the sand. One of the
common mistakes people make is to keep these fish in tanks with gravel. This you
MUST NOT do. These small Macrognathus spp. Spiny Eels forage by burrowing
through the sand, using their prehensile "nose" to winkle out prey. In a sandy
tank they will dig in during the day, and slither about at night. In a tank with
gravel they often starve. On top of that, gravel damages the mucous layer on
their bodies, making them INCREDIBLY sensitive to bacterial infections. By far
the majority of Spiny Eel deaths come from: starvation, bacterial infections,
and fish jumping out. Anyone wanting to keep these fish MUST plan around these,
and set up the tank accordingly. Do please see here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/spinyeelsmonk.htm
>
The woman at the fish store had also informed us that the temperature might not
be ideal for him, so I first turned the heater up, and now the temperature is at
about 76 degrees F. I am trying to bring it down to about 73, to accommodate the
other fish in the tank, but the temp does not seem to be going down. That is my
first question, how do you bring the temp down?
<Takes time.>
After the temperature was right I did some more research, and discovered that
ammonia could also be a big problem, so we tested it and discovered it was a bit
high, so we added some ammonia reducing tablets.
<There's no such thing as a "bit" high, any more than being a "bit" pregnant. If
you detect ammonia, it means you have a major problem: too much pollution in a
tank that doesn't have enough of a filter to deal with it. The amount of ammonia
is largely irrelevant. Review whether the stocking of the tank is appropriate to
the size of the tank, whether the filter is mature and/or sufficient capacity.
Check whether you are overfeeding.>
The ph was also a little high so I added some ph reducer.
<NO NO NO NO NO -- inexperienced aquarists shouldn't EVER mess about with pH
reducers (or raisers). Please understand: the pH value itself doesn't really
matter; what matters is how fast pH changes. If you're testing the pH but have
no idea what the general and carbonate hardness levels are in your aquarium,
then you shouldn't be messing about with the pH because you likely (certainly)
don't have enough knowledge to do so safely. So forget about this. Instead check
whether the pH is the same a week after a water change as it is immediately
after you do the water change -- that will tell you if the pH is stable or not.
Do please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwh2oquality.htm
>
I also did a partial water change of about 20% and added some stress coat. I
thought maybe one of these factors might have been what was causing the eel to
be distressed, but he is still hanging on the side of the heater.
<I bet.>
He does seem to be swaying a bit more now, but I am really starting to get
worried. It even got to the point where we thought he was dead because we saw
the other fish sucking on him. Luckily when we tried to scoop him out of the
tank he swam away, which was a huge relief.
<To be honest, I think this fish is doomed UNLESS you [a] make sure the aquarium
is appropriate (i.e., has sandy substrate, no bottom feeding fish, good water
quality) and [b] you start offering healthy live foods that this fish can eat.
Yes, it will eat (wet) frozen bloodworms later on, but right now we're talking
triage, and that means live earthworms small enough for the fish to eat easily.
For a 3-4 inch Spiny Eel, we're talking 1-inch worms. There's no discussion
here. If you don't do these things, he'll be dead in a week. Period. End of
story.>
I even tried to load the dried bloodworms into a turkey baster and squirt them
right in front of his face. He still did not respond, except for to move a
little. He certainly did not show interest in the food. I read that they would
eat earthworms. I am thinking about going and buying some worms from my local
bait shop tomorrow and seeing if he will eat these.
<YES!!!>
What should we do?
<Read the articles linked above, and ALWAYS read before buying your fish. Spiny
Eels are in my top 10 fish beginners should NEVER keep. They are very difficult
fish for so many reasons. Are they nice fish? Yes. Are they intelligent? Very.
Can they be tamed and fed from your hand? Certainly. Are they a fish for the
average community tank. Not a chance.>
I am new at this hobby and do not know how to tell what is wrong. My first
instinct is that it is he is not eating, but I am also worried he is sick with
something. I have some multi-purpose medicine but I have also read that you
shouldn't use most medications on them since they do not have scales. Any advice
you could give would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Erin
<Good luck, Neale.>
Re: Peacock eel seems
sick 2-16-08
Thank you so much for your advice. He is doing much better today. I
woke up and he was swimming around the tank, and some of the feeder fish
are gone.
<Very good. But I can't stress too strongly that feeder fish are poor
food for most fish, and should be avoided where possible. The risks of
introducing diseases, as well as malnutrition, are simply far too great.
Once settled, Spiny Eels will even eat chunks of prawn; so really the
issue up front is to get them eating a few earthworms just to fatten up
a little.>
I am now regretting that we got them at all though since now I am
worried about him getting sick.
<Don't be *too* disheartened. These are rewarding fish, and once settled
in, not difficult to keep. The problems are setting up the tank "just
so" and then getting a wild-caught fish feeding. Most people fail in
these regards, and end up with a dead Spiny Eel.>
I am definitely going to go today and get the sand substrate and
earthworms.
<Cool.>
To clear one thing, the woman at the fish store was supposed to know
what she was talking about. It was the people at Wal-mart that didn't,
but when we went and got the feeder fish we went to a different local
fish store ran by people that were supposed to know what they were
doing. Needless to say, I will not be going back there for advice.
<Too bad. A good aquarium shop is an amazingly useful asset. Regardless,
with a bit of reading and a good aquarium book to hand, you'll be fine.
Trust me: this is how many of us start!>
I must say, I feel rather silly about this whole thing. I thought
keeping fish would be much easier than this, but I have definitely
learned my lesson.
<Keeping animals is never "easy", whether cat, dog or fish. But in the
big scheme of things, fish are pretty straightforward, especially once
you understand the basics and take care to choose fish appropriate to
your local water chemistry and skill level.>
I will be much more careful and do much more research in the future, as
I would hate to think that a poor animal died because I was too ignorant
to take care of it.
<Indeed!>
Thanks!
Erin
<Enjoy your fish, and good luck! Neale.> |
Fire eel with pop eye and
cloudy eye – 10/30/2007
Hello All-
<Emily.>
I am so glad I have found WWM! I happened to stumble upon your page while doing
research for my sick Eel. I'll try and keep this short. For the last 3 weeks my
fire eel has had cloudy bulgy eyes. (almost looks like he's wearing goggles) Is
this pop eye?
<Yes sounds like a bacterial infection of the eye.>
His appetite is a little decreased but he is still nibbling at his blood worms
each day (not as much so in the last 2 days). He has also gone pale in color
over the last week. I really don't want to loose him, I'm a novice fish owner!
He's in a 75 gallon tank and I've had him for about 6 months. He has lots of
hiding places and none of the other fish bother him. Last week I started
treating him with Ampicillin
<...is for gram negative bacteria.>
every other day for 5 days since Erythromycin
<...is for gram positive bacteria.>
and tetracycline
<...treats gram negative as well negative bacteria of some types.>
has not helped. I have also done two 50% water changes within the last week. His
color has improved a little but his eyes are still very cloudy. He just lays on
his side hiding in his cave all day. He has always been a pretty mellow eel. I
had my water
tested at a local fish store and everything seemed fine.
<Numbers would help, especially hardness and nitrates.>
What should I be doing for my eel?
<Although fire eels most commonly occur in soft water habitats like some
streams, swamps and even flooded rice fields and only rarely are found near
estuaries, they may do much better in hard to slightly brackish water in
captivity. The exact reasons therefore are unknown and may be related to some
interaction of ions (hardness, salinity, carbonate hardness) and the
accumulation of possibly toxic compounds in the tank water (e.g. nitrates),
that, due to dilution, does not occur in nature to such extent. Although adding
salt to the standard fish tank can well be considered an antique technique from
times when the need for partial water changes was unknown, I’d suggest to
increase the salinity of the water to reach a specific gravity of 1.002 (roughly
3-4 grams marine salt from the pet store per litre). That should improve the
constitution of the fish and won’t kill your filter bacteria. In addition I’d
try to improve the diet by offering a variety of foods, because if he only ate
bloodworms, he may also suffer from a lack of vitamins. Try earth worms, little
shrimps and also soak the blood worms in vitamins from time to time prior to
feeding. You have already used a lot of antibiotics, so I’d get a test kit and
check if nitrites are 0 all the time. Nitrates should be below 20 ppm for good
healing conditions. If another antibiotic has to be used (I hope not), try
Maracyn.>
Thank you and warm regards! – Emily
<Also have a look at
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/matacembelids.htm
and the linked files above. Hope that helps
and your eel gets well again. Marco.>
Tire track eel medicine need help
6/30/07
Hi my name is Donna,
<Ahh, "the lady", and one of my sisters praenomens>
My husband and I have a 40 inch tire track eel
<Nice!>
that was with an Oscar who came down with an internal parasite
<... of what sort, nature?>
I know what to treat her with but what is safe for the eel and spiny eel (spiny
not showing symptoms yet). He has all the same symptoms the Oscar did. Curled
up, not eating and on the bottom of tank. Also had 2 hi-fin banded sharks that
were in there also need to treat everybody. Do you know of any medicine we can
buy that is safe.
<Mmm, best to treat sequentially with an antiprotozoal (my choice is a one-time
administration of Flagyl/Metronidazole) and an anthelminthic (Prazi/quantel or
Levamisole...). All protocols, cautionary statements for this are
posted/archived on WWM... These are relatively safe, efficacious compounds. Bob
Fenner>
New peacock spiny eel, sys., fdg.
6/2/07
Hi! thanks for all your advice
> I got the eel, he's about six inches long and looks well fed. no white
blotches on his skin or signs or irritation.
<Very good.>
> he is hiding under the gravel in my tank right now, but there is a
cave in there that I hope he will move into when he feels more
comfortable.
<Please replace the gravel with sand as soon as possible. In my
experience, small spiny eels die when kept in tanks with gravel. The
problem is that they try to dig into the gravel, scratch their skins,
and get infected with various bacteria. Once sick, they are impossible
to treat. I have seen this happen so often that keeping small spiny eels
in tanks with gravel strikes me as a virtual death sentence. Now,
changing to sand is neither difficult not expensive. Silica sand (also
known as silver sand) can be obtained at any garden centre for very
little money. Choose the "smooth" not "sharp" grade for obvious reasons!
A 25 kg (~50 lb) bag of the stuff costs about £3 ($6) at my local garden
centre, so in other words there is no excuse for not buying and using
the stuff. Plants love it, as do most fish. The main problem it causes
is getting into the filter if big fish (like plecs) splash it about. It
can potentially become anaerobic if you allow organic material to decay
under a great depth of the stuff. To avoid this, simply keep it clean,
use Malayan livebearing snails to aerate the sand, or just keep the
depth to a minimum, say, 5 cm (2 inches). If you go for the shallow sand
bed approach, you obviously can't keep plants with roots, but epiphytes
such as Java fern and Anubias are fine.>
> my question is, I've tried both frozen bloodworms and live mealworms
so far, both of which he has left uneaten. he appeared to smell the
mealworms a little, but didn't eat any. I have been able to find live
butterworms, waxworms, and superworms, whatever those are, are any of
these suitable food? or would I be better off trying earthworms?
<Spiny eels are 100% nocturnal when imported, so be sure and put the
LIVE bloodworms and/or Tubifex in at NIGHT. Remove anything likely to
compete, such as catfish and loaches. Catfish and loaches are simply NOT
at option with small spiny eels. Earthworms are also very popular with
spiny eels, and perhaps the ideal reconditioning food for helping settle
newly imported specimens in. Once you know the fish is eating, then you
can wean them onto frozen alternatives. To be honest, spiny eels have to
be close to the top of the list of fish that should be quarantined first
so you can get them feeding before being placed in a community tank.
They just aren't, by any measurement, "good community fish" -- they need
a great deal of special care, and the vast majority of specimens die
within a few months. Although basically hardy and very adaptable in
terms of water chemistry, their demands for sand and live foods make
them among the most difficult "common" fish in the trade. Larger
species, ironically, are easier to care for, being indifferent to
whether you use sand or gravel and being relatively easy to feed with
things like earthworms, live river shrimp, or even (home-bred) feeder
guppies. The small species, including all those sold as "peacock spiny
eels" are simply difficult fish best kept by experienced fishkeepers in
single-species or at least specially designed aquaria.>
> there were also a lot of small snails in the tank I got him from, and
I was wondering if he was maybe eating those, since he appears well fed.
he looks like he's of a good girth, and explored all around his tank
last night. if he has been eating snails, are they a good long term food
source that I could maybe raise in a separate tank?
<No, your eel isn't eating the snails. He lacks the jaw structure for
that. Snail-eating fish tend to have strong jaws and flat teeth for
crushing the shells: things you see on puffers, loaches, and certain
cichlids and catfish. Spiny eels are nocturnal opportunist predators.
They have deeply-cleft jaws that allow them to swallow surprisingly
large prey. The smaller species feed primarily on worms and insect
larvae, while the bigger species are more or less piscivorous (though in
captivity are easily fed on prawns and other chunky invertebrate foods).
> thanks!
> Tori
<Hope this helps, Neale>
Spiny eel with grey patches – 05/04/07
Hello Wet Webbers! My name is Linda <Hi Linda. Marco here with you
today.> and have a question for you. I have done some research and have
not found the info I am seeking, so I hope you don't mind my long
question.
<Please see
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/spinyeeldisfaqs.htm for
similar questions.> I enlarged the print cause I just had Lasik done and
am having some trouble reading my computer screen. <Hope you get well
soon.>
I added an 8" fire eel to my 150 gallon FW community cichlid tank. His
tank mates are 3 keyhole cichlids, 2 port cichlids, 2 gold and 1 green
Severum, three fire mouths, one 5" chocolate cichlid <quite some
competition for the eel with regard to food.> a handful of Corys, a few
rummy nose tetras, half a dozen tiger barbs and three clown loaches. He
was fine for the first six months, but about 6-8 weeks ago he started
"peeling". He has gray "bald" spots on part of his body now. He swims
well and is a hearty eater. <Good to hear.> A couple weeks ago I did
have a very bad outbreak of ick (saw a chocolate cichlid that I just had
to have and didn't set up a quarantine tank, I should know better) I had
to treat the whole tank with copper safe. <I’d use copper products in
bare bottom hospital tanks only. Now you have to get rid of it with
water changes and by filtering with activated carbon, and hope none
remains in the substrate.>
Everyone survived and all is well except for Earl. He continues to look
worse. Since the "bald" spots are the only symptom, I thought I would
give him some time to heal on his own. I also thought maybe he was
molting, or something <No, certainly not.>. His gray blotches do not
look like fuzzy fungus or bacterial spots. Just large patches.
<Spiny eels are prone to skin diseases such as the one you describe. It
probably is a bacterial infection possibly associated with a fungus.>
I have spent a great deal of time watching the tank lately and have
never witnessed any of his tank mates attacking or picking on him. I do
75% water changes every two weeks. <The latter two actions are good
practice.> The pH is 7.5-8, 0 nitrites and well below 20ppm of
nitrate. He eats frozen bloodworms and brine shrimp. I am going to set
up the quarantine tank and move him tonight to see if maybe someone is
harassing him at night. Can you give me any suggestions as to what may
be going on with Earl? Should I medicate him or just observe him since
he is eating well?
<If filtering your display with activated carbon does not improve the
situation, quarantine him and add 1g/l marine salt. This is a mild
treatment often successful in similar cases. Also be sure to provide
pristine water quality in the quarantine tank. If that does not show any
improvement in about 10 days to 2 weeks you should consider the use of
antibiotics in your hospital tank. Also, read the FAQ linked to above. >
If someone is picking on him, I would guess it is the Firemouths. Oh
yes! I have a mixture of small to med. gravel size <hope the grains are
well rounded, because spiny eels like to bury.>, soft driftwood, smooth
rocks, a large strawberry pot, and plastic plants in the decor. The
temp. is right around 77 degrees. Thank you so much, you guys provide a
great and valuable service to the tropical fish world. Linda from WI.
<You are welcome. Hope your eel gets well again.>
Spiny eel with grey patches II – 05/05/07
A few more facts on my eel. When I feed my fish their frozen
food, I throw a chunk of bloodworms in a 2 quart pitcher and fill it
with tank water. When the worms are defrosted, I swirl it around to
break apart the chunk and dip the pitcher into the tank. I hold it below
the surface enough for Earl to slip in and eat his fill before I dump it
out for the rest of the fish. Using the large pitcher works well
because when you dump all the water out it swirls around and disperses
well so everyone has a chance of eating. This way I know Earl is getting
enough food.
<Nice feeding technique. Could be improved by avoiding the polluted
thawing water getting into the tank.>
Also I have never seen him burrow into the gravel.
<He’d do that if he was harassed by the cichlids.>
He hangs out under the driftwood and will also hang on the water intake
tube support. For the salt treatment, I am guessing 1g/l marine salt is
one gram per liter? <Yes. Cheers, Marco.>
Fire Eel Disorientation 4/26/07
I contacted you guys quite a few years ago about my 130 gallon tank being
infected with Cyanobacteria. Ever since then I've never been able to get rid of
it but once a week I siphon off the slime algae carpets off the bottom and it
looks good for another two days or so.
<Cyanobacteria ("blue-green algae") grow in tanks without aquarium plants
usually because the water has high levels of nitrate and phosphate. There's
really not much you can do about it in the average "tank buster" aquarium
without actively reducing the nutrient levels in the water. Oh, and by "without
plants" I mean any tank not set up specifically for rapid growth of higher
plants. A couple of Java ferns won't make any difference either way!>
I've tried more powerful lights, no lights (made the Cyanobacteria grow slower
but made everything else worse), phosphate filters, etc and none of it has ever
stopped or even slowed down the speed of the growth.
<Phosphate (and nitrate) filters generally can't help the eutrophic conditions
in heavily stocked tank buster aquaria. They are designed for use in marine
tanks and planted freshwater tanks where the water quality is already very good.
These chemical filters "polish" the water a little more, by scrubbing out the
phosphate (or nitrate). But they are utterly overwhelmed when placed in a tank
buster tank unless used in vast numbers and replaced/recharged on a weekly
basis.>
I've had the tank set up for over 5 years now and the inhabitants are a clown
knife fish, fire eel, spiny eel, and three rope fish.
<Nice collection of fish.>
I've heard before that clown knife fish shouldn't have any tankmates smaller
than them but I guess these guys have learned to live with each other or
something, 'cause they never pick fights.
<Often, fishes are inoffensive towards fish they grow up with -- they view them
as part of the scenery, I suppose.>
When I'm cleaning the eels' caves the even sometimes hide behind the clown knife
in the corner and he has no problem with it.
Anyways, I discovered recently that erythromycin apparently kills off
Cyanobacteria while being quite safe for plant life, the fish, and it also
doesn't harm the biological filter all that much. So, I picked up some Maracyn
1 and followed a dosing schedule that I found while researching on the
internet. It said it was a rather ful powerful dosage to kill the Cyanobacteria
rather than create a resistant strain of it, yet it was far less than the
Maracyn instructions listed to cure bacterial infections and
such. It said to add 2.5 mg/L of it one day 1, 2, and 4. Then 1 mg/L on day
8. Between these days I should do frequent water changes and siphoning dead
Cyanobacteria and debris out of the tank. Due to having only two packages of
Maracyn 1, I ended up actually adding only about 2.0 mg/L for the first few
days.
<Honestly, in my opinion a totally pointless exercise. The Cyanobacteria grows
in your tank because of the nutrients in the water. Even if you killed off any
single bacterium in the tank (which won't happen) more would get in from the air
and in a month or two you'd be back where you started. Unless you reduce the
phosphates and nitrates to as close to zero and keep them there permanently, the
Cyanobacteria are going to come back. Period.>
So, here's my problem now. I added the first dosage two days ago and then the
second dosage yesterday. I could already see that the slime algae was beginning
to thin out, but when it came to feeding time I saw that something was wrong
with my 5 year old fire eel. He wouldn't eat and he was swimming around
restlessly and seemed disoriented. He was also swimming completely upside down
the entire time. When he hid underneath his cave he would lie upside down as
well.
<First: check water quality. Second: perform 50% water change. Third: perform
another 50% water change. Quite obviously you've done something the fish doesn't
like, and it's good odds that the massive die-off of bacteria that's causing
pollution in the water, using up oxygen, and perhaps releasing toxins in the
water as well.>
I added some aquarium salt at one teaspoon per gallon and boosted the
temperature from 80F to 83F.
<Why are you doing this? Fire eels aren't brackish water fish and don't need
salt. Raising the temperature and adding the salt both reduce the amount of
oxygen in the water, further aggravating one likely problem. Please, unless you
have a clear reason for doing so, NEVER change the water chemistry or aquarium
conditions simply as a knee-jerk reaction. Fish don't like changes. Oh, and bin
the tonic salt. It's useless stuff. Honest.>
This morning the fire eel was lying on top of a tall piece of driftwood upside
down, and he rarely lies out in the open.
<Sounds extremely serious. Have you done those 50% water changes yet?>
There's no visible wounds or discoloration on him and he doesn't look bloated or
breathing quickly. I tested the water and the ammonia was 0 ppm, nitrite was 0
ppm and nitrate was 32 ppm.
<Well, the nitrates are part of the blue-green algae problem...>
I hope you have some suggestions as to what I should do 'cause I really don't
want to lose my eel.
<Do the water changes. Increase oxygenation in the water. Present a votive
offering to the Fish Gods.>
It's strange that it happened as soon as I added the Maracyn 1, but everywhere I
read it shouldn't be causing any problems to the eel. Thanks for your help.
<My basic philosophy is that without medical or veterinarian advice, aquarists
shouldn't use antibiotics, period. There's a reason people go to medical (or
vet) school to learn about those drugs. Unfortunately, in the US at least, some
antibiotics are freely available. Please resist the urge to use them needlessly.
As you're discovering, they are powerful medications that can have unpredictable
results to those not trained in their use. In the meantime, just do more water
changes to bring the nitrates and phosphates down, and remove the Cyanobacteria
the old-fashioned way: with elbow grease.>
Dayton
<Cheers, Neale>
Re: Fire Eel Disorientation 4/26/07
Thanks for the information. After I sent the last message yesterday I
went home and did the 50% water change, but I guess that I should have
done another one afterwards.
<You can never do too many water changes, assuming water chemistry
remains constant.>
I was also planning on doing another water change today and every day
until he gets better.
<Good idea.>
Unfortunately, I really don't think he'll even survive the rest of the
day. I woke up this morning and he's floating at the surface of the
water, just barely breathing.
<Definitely not promising. If this was me, I'd change all the water NOW.
Nothing to lose at this stage, and my assumption is the antibacterial
treatment and/or dead Cyanobacteria is the cause of the problem. Siphon
out everything organic in the tank, thoroughly sluice the gravel in the
process to remove everything organic that is decaying. Replace with 100%
new water at identical pH/hardness/temperature. Use dechlorinator but
otherwise don't add anything. Maximize aeration. Keep temperature at a
steady 25C/77F. Switch the lights low/off to reduce stress. My hope
would be by returning to optimal water conditions ASAP, your fire eel
might recover.>
About the Cyanobacteria though... is the chance that great that I'll get
more of it in my tank simply from the air?
<Yes. Bacteria travel as air-borne spores, among other ways. When some
blue-green algae dries up somewhere, some of that becomes encysted,
floats away on the breeze, and settles out wherever. That's why you find
the stuff in gutters, bird baths, etc.>
I had the tank set up for about a year with no problems, but then I
added some aquarium plants that weren't fully cleaned and quarantined I
guess.
<You have to be ruthless here: strip away *any* leaves with blue-green
or hair algae on sight. Usually, the algae colonize sick plants (or
leaves, anyway) so you're not losing anything by trimming the plant.>
That's what brought in the Cyanobacteria. I have 4 other tanks
(smallest one 30 gallons) and none of them have ever had problems with
Cyanobacteria before.
<Blue-green is very difficult to predict in terms of where it will
occur. "We" as a hobby know the conditions it likes, but as you say,
sometimes it's a problem, sometimes not.>
But, I added a decoration to one of my tanks just last month (the
decoration was in the 130 gallon 2 years ago and has been dried out
since) and within a week I noticed Cyanobacteria growing in that one. I
figured that as long as I keep the supplies I use with the infected tank
away from the clean tanks, I won't have any problem. It's been working
so far for 5 years now.
<Maybe, maybe not. I'd not put any money on this. But blue-green algae
is more a visual problem than a life-threatening one, so I'd always
recommend manual removal of blue-green during water changes rather than
chemical (algicide) treatments. Massive die-offs of algae (or plants for
that matter) can consume oxygen rapidly and dump unwanted pollutants
into the tank. The advantages of getting rid of the algae quickly do
not, in my opinion, offset the risks of the other. Cheers, Neale>
Re: Fire Eel Disorientation - 05/02/07
So, since last Thursday I did a 50% water change on Thursday and Friday
night, then switched to 30% water change every day since then.
<Sounds a good start. Water changes help with most fish problems
considerably.>
On Friday morning instead of having trouble swimming the fire eel was
floating at the top of the water. Once in awhile he'd try to swim down
again but he couldn't even get down a few inches.
<Sounds very odd, but swimming problems can be caused by all kinds of
diseases/injuries/environmental factors. I've seen dwarf cichlids swim
upside down because I put too-cold water into the tank.>
I was hoping the water changes would be helping but they don'seem to
be. I figured he'd be gone within a day or two but now that it's
Tuesday I'm starting to think that there's something else wrong with
him. He's still breathing normally and has no discoloration but he
still can't get below the surface. He looks slightly bloated maybe so I
was wondering if eels have a swim bladder like fish do?
<A very good question. Most benthic fish have reduced/absent swim
bladders so that they stay close to the bottom of the river or sea
without being caught up by the currents. I do not know if spiny eels
have swim bladders, and haven't been able to check in my usual
references. My *guess* would be they have them, but of a reduced size
and importance.>
I think that he's fine other than the fact that he can't swim
downwards. I even gently lowered him to the bottom of the tank and when
I let go you flew quickly to the surface as if he was full of air. My
girlfriend wants me to euthanize him and if I can't do anything else
that's what I'll end up doing, but it just seems to me that if I could
figure out what's making him float he'll be fine.
<Provided he's feeding and remains in good condition otherwise, I'd tend
to leave things to settle down for a while. Swim bladder problems will
often fix themselves over time. Provided good water quality, keep the
temperature constant, avoid stressing the fish, and try and get it to
eat if you can.>
If it was a bacterial infection it should've been cleared up when I
added the Maracyn so maybe he ingested a rock or something?
<Swim bladder disorders are what medics call "multi-factorial", meaning
no-one really knows what causes them in every case. Possibilities
include lack of fibre, mechanical damage, genetics, etc. Since a spiny
eel doesn't eat plant material, lack of fibre probably isn't the issue
here. But I'd certainly raise the temperature a little (by 3-5 degrees
C) and continue using something mildly antibacterial such as Melafix or
even tonic salt. Whilst I don't usually recommend the use of salt in
freshwater tanks, spiny eels are one group where small amounts (around 1
gramme/litre) have been used therapeutically with success.>
Thanks. Dayton
<Good luck! Neale>
Re: Fire eel with disorientation – 05/02/07
I had previously added salt when he was first showing the strange
symptoms and was then told that I shouldn't have.
<Fire eels are not among those spiny eel species that have been caught
in estuaries, but they won’t be killed by 1-2 g salt /l. However, it is
mostly used to treat skin diseases and should not be in their tanks
permanently.>
I guess that I'll just leave him floating there and try to keep feeding
him but tomorrow will have been a week since he first started having
trouble swimming. The main problem that I'm worried about is that when
he's floating about 1 1/2 inches of his belly is slightly above the
surface of the water and gets dried out.
<You are right. That can be a problem.>
Every morning and every hour or two when I'm at home I hold him gently
under the water for a bit to moisten the skin again, but I'm worried
that the drying of the skin is hurting him. His belly seems to be
getting a blotchy look to it where it's submerged and is tacky and
slightly dry whenever I push him back under. What can I do to keep his
entire body underwater and wait till he gets better?
<For puffers that swallowed air and had similar difficulties, I used a
large net to keep them down until the air was spit out again. You may
want to try that, too. There is some gas in your spiny eel, but it is
unclear in which part of his body and how long it takes until it leaves.
I’d speculate, aside an possible internal bacterial infection, the use
of Maracyn in the display let to the death of some bacteria (maybe your
Cyanobacteria), which as part of their decomposition released some toxic
substance. But that's just a theory. Keep on doing water changes to keep
the nitrates and any other possible toxins down as Neale suggested. Hope
the best. Marco.>
Dayton
Fire eel with white scuff – 04/12/07
Hi,
<Hi John.>
I have a fire eel and I am reasonably sure he has a internal bacterial
infection.
He has white scuff like marks on his body and labored breathing and hasn't eaten
in some time (2 weeks).
<You probably mean external bacterial infection, since you can see white scuff
on the outside. Internal refers to the interior of the fish and is hard to
diagnose. In addition it would be good to know, if there are any other fishes in
this tank.>
I've been treating him for some time with Maracyn but no luck. I know it's
imperative to get him to ingest his medicine but since he won’t eat, do you have
any ideas?
<First of all I’d use antibiotics only in a hospital tank. They tend to
disintegrate when exposed to light, tank substrate and tank water. Some even
kill beneficial bacteria and can mess up the nitrogen cycle (Mardel, the
producer of Maracyn, states their product shows no adverse effects). Test your
water, especially nitrites, nitrates and pH. Large water changes won’t hurt.
Spiny eels are not prone to bacterial infections when high water quality is
provided. If your pH is around 7 slowly increase it to 7.5-8.0. Fire eels show a
higher resistance to bacterial and fungal infections in hard water and lower end
brackish water, so you may slowly raise your specific gravity to 1.003. In
addition you need a better diagnosis. Search WWM for freshwater diseases,
especially Columnaris and read the related FAQs. If you still think your eel has
a bacterial infection, use baths as an alternative to treatment in the display
tank. Do daily one hour aerated and pH adjusted baths in two times the Maracyn
concentration recommended for a permanent treatment in the display tank. Repeat
for at least 5 days, even if the disease seems to be gone. If this treatment
does not work and the eel is still alive, do the same with an antibiotic for
gram negative bacteria such as Maracyn Two.>
Also, is Maracyn the most appropriate choice of antibiotic?
<It works well for gram positive bacterial infections, which are the most common
type of bacterial pathogens in freshwater.>
I know things look bleak but do have any suggestions?
<Check water quality; do water changes, slowly adjust the pH to 7.5-8.0 and (if
you can do that) the specific gravity to 1.003 (over one week), get a better
diagnosis and treat accordingly. Good luck. Marco.>
Re: Sick Fire Eel (FOLLOW-UP) - 1/22/07
Hello again, this is Katey in regards to the sick fire eel
(update). I've got the water quality (nitrates) much better using
frequent small changes and distilled water.
<Ah, good>
The gray slimy splotches on the eel are now gone, with her stripes
becoming a little brighter.
<Very good!>
She is more "with it," still eats well, and is active and
curious. However, she seems different, not her usual self... she'll
sometimes lounge kind of sideways or curved upside down, like she's just
free floating.
<Behavioral improvement will "take time"... perhaps months>
When I look in at her she'll notice me and immediately turn up smartly
and watch me alertly, so it's not like she's stuck that way,
semi-unconscious. Also, while the colorless splotches on her cheeks
filled in black again, she now has an almost reticulated pattern on her
body of colorless, bleached skin, with a pale underbelly.
<Stress coloration... this too will pass>
I've managed to get a few good pictures of first her belly, then her
net pattern going down her body. From these pictures, is there anything
you recognize? She is, besides the skin and seeming loss of
equilibrium, much better. Your help and time is very
appreciated! Thanks, Katey
<Thank you for this update... stay the course here. Bob Fenner> |
Re: Sick Fire Eel (FOLLOW-UP) 1/24/07
It was very heartening to hear these last symptoms will pass, and she's over
the hump. Keep up the good work with WetWebMedia, and thanks for your
assistance with my sweetest eel!
Take care, Katey
<Thank you my friend. Life to you. BobF> |
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Injured peacock eel - please help - 1/22/07
Hi Crew,
<Kim>
I've searched site and can't find the info that I need, and I'm pretty
desperate, so I'm writing in hopes that you can give me some advice.
<Will try>
I have a peacock eel who is about 5 inches long. He lives, happily until today,
in a 75 gallon planted tank with gravel substrate. Today my 11 year old daughter
picked up the large castle decoration in the tank to look for a snail that she
couldn't find. She sat it down and when she saw that it was crushing one of the
plants, she pushed it over. My eel was apparently next to the bottom of the
castle and got pinned under it. I walked in the room right as she was pushing it
over and since she's not supposed to ever stick her hands in the tank,
immediately rushed over to see what in the world she was doing. I saw the eel
sticking out from under the castle, about two inches below his head. Needless
to say, I got the castle off of him in a flash. He swam (if you can call it
that) away, but under his gills is red and he looks bent in the middle when he's
still. I managed to scoop him up in a small plastic container and moved him to
my hospital tank. The thing is, I don't have a clue what to do for him now, or
even if there is anything that I can do for him.
<Mmm, not much "to do"... their gills are red naturally... and if in initial
good shape, mastacembelids/spiny eels do tend to heal rapidly... I would move
this fish back into the main system myself>
As I write this, he is laying on the bottom of the tank, curved in a loose C
shape, but he's moved a couple of times since his transfer.
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Thanks! Kim
<No medications suggested... Just time, patience and hope. Bob Fenner>
--
Kim Jones
Sick Fire Eel 12/26/06
Hello, I'm Katey, and I was hoping you could help me with a problem with my
fire eel. A week or so ago she began getting pale spots on her face, as if the
color was bleached out.
<A bad sign>
She also began acting listless, letting her head droop sideways instead of
alertly poking it out of her hiding place.
<Something amiss here environmentally...>
However, she still ate ghost shrimp (her favorite food) just as voraciously as
before. I did massive research but didn't find anything that really fit... she
didn't have "fungus" on her yet. Water tested o for nitrites but nitrates were
high (close to 80 ppm?).
<Yikes... way too high>
However, I had just done a 45% water change a week or so before.
<Too much percentage at one go... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwh2ochgs.htm
and the linked FAQs file above>
A few days after presenting with the pale spots, she developed a grayish,
slimy material on her body in various areas. This sounded like columnaris
(except nothing really around her mouth), so I began treatment with Maracyn plus
after a 15% water change for the nitrates (Tuesday will be day 5). My concern
is that she is also occasionally having crazy frantic thrashing spins around the
tank (lasts 5-10 seconds), and I'm not even sure it's columnaris!
<Is not... primarily... something in the water... perhaps consequent with the
massive water change...>
She still acts lethargic but I thought her skin cleared up a little, though not
sure. Her appetite is good but she is definitely not herself. Her tank-mates,
a tire track, 2 clown loaches, and an African butterfly, show no sign of disease
and are acting very healthy. Any ideas/help would be very appreciated!! Thank
you very much for your time! Katey
<What re your water quality tests? I would use activated carbon, a pad of
PolyFilter in your filter flow path here... Stat! Bob Fenner>
Re: Sick Fire Eel, need to add... 12/26/06
Hi, Katey again...I wanted to add onto my last email about my sick fire
eel. She is REALLY flipping around now...she seems to be absolutely desperate
to itch.
She goes on 100mph spins that looks like she is trying to itch her body with her
nose. Even worse, she beats herself against the wall, decorations doing this...
I'm afraid she'll kill herself doing that!
I hope this gives you more clues...
Thanks!
<... your water... Bob Fenner>
Re: Sick Fire Eel 12/27/06
Thanks so much for your advice...my water tests are the Jungle 5-in-1
strips... I've heard that they could be inaccurate, but that's all I have at the
time... hope to be getting better tests though. I will follow your advice, and
update you with (hopefully) a good report! Oh, and I did read that linked
article...I will be switching to 15% every 2 weeks.
Again, thanks very much!! Katey
<Thank you for this update Katey. Bob Fenner>
Starving Eel 9/2/06
Hi,
<Hi Gillian, Pufferpunk here>
I have a problem with my yellow spiny eel. (At least that's the name it was
sold to me as.) It's very small, only about 2.5 inches. I've had it for
about 5 months. I've had no problems up until now. I have read that some
people have problems with eels not eating and as a result, they lose them
within a few weeks.
<True but it can take longer sometime, for an animal to slowly starve to
death.>
I figured that wasn't a problem since my eel has been around so long and
although I haven't seen him eat (but I do think I've seen
him darting at daphnia), he's looked well fed. Just yesterday I noticed
that he looked terrible. He is very thin and seems
to have no strength. I moved him into a smaller tank by himself over night
with food.
<Most spiney eels only eat live food. Mostly blackworms. That's what their
long nose is for--to scrounge the substrate for worms.>
I was a little worried that maybe some of his tank mates have been stealing
all his food and that might have been the cause of the problem (he's in with
3 neons, a ghost shrimp and a panda Cory cat). However, he didn't seem to
eat any of the food offered to him. I put him back in the tank with the
others and he still swims around, but he still seems weak, unable to burrow
and he'll stop swimming in funny positions, like on his side. The problem
is that I don't know what to do. If he's not eating, I'm not sure how to
make him eat. If it's some kind of infection, I'm not sure what it is. His
fins, colour and skin all seem fine. He just seems unbelievably thin and
his gills look red (although I'm really not sure if his gills seem red
because he's so thin or if it's some kind of infection). The water
chemistry's a little off, which I plan on fixing right away with water
exchanges, and I've added a little bit of salt (one tbs/ 5 gallons).
<Weekly water changes are necessary to keep the water clean & livable.>
I'm not sure if I should try a salt treatment. Or if I should try something
like Melafix (even though I'm aware that he doesn't seem to have any of the
symptoms Melafix says it treats). I'm not sure how much longer the fish
will last. Please help.
<Neither can hurt. I'd try offering live worms. ~PP>
Thanks
Gillian
Eels Healing from Injuries
Hello Once again Dr Fenner!
<Anthony Calfo in your service, my friend, whilst Bob travels the great
continent of Australia. I'm hoping he brings me back a cool accent instead of a
tee-shirt when he returns <smile>>
I need your advice regarding these 3 fire eels that I want to buy. The aquarium
houses them together with a grown Cichlid in a 2 ft tank. I think the Cichlid
must have attacked them before 'cos I can see that 2 of them have slight
injuries.
<a shame...mitigated by the cramped tank I'm sure>
The 3 eels are about a foot long and are very fat. The injuries are such that I
can see the whites of the
flesh. The body is jet black but then I can see breaks in the skin that reveal
the whites. It actually looks
like a small scratch made by a needle. The injuries look very minor but I do
want them to heal if I decide to purchase them. Its very rare over here
(Singapore) to get eels at this size.
<perhaps because they are delectable <wink>>
Do you have any recommendations for medication? What can I do to help the eels
heal faster?
<yes... an antibiotic combination of Furazolidone and Nitrofurazone (Jungle
brand "fungus eliminator" for example). Eels are one of the few fish prone to
true fungal infections. It will guard against bacterial infections as well>
If I just put them in my tank will the injuries eventually heal?
<perhaps...especially if your tank is larger (it really must be)>
I went back to the aquarium about a week and a half later but the injuries were
still apparent.
<unusual and not a great sign... perhaps you should take them sooner to a better
tank>
They look pretty relaxed in the tank though but I think they'll be better off
without the Cichlid.
<certainly agreed>
On a separate note, what kind of medication are suitable for eels with fungus or
other skin problems?
<above listed...and antibiotics in general are safe>
I read that they are very sensitive to metals in the water and also some 'itch'
medicine.
<yes... avoid copper and organic dyes like malachite and Victoria green and
methylene blue>
Should I put in some capfuls of Blackwater into the tank? Will this help them
relax?
<dim lights will work the same or better>
You helped me identify the Caecilian I have several weeks ago and I really am
grateful! =) I look forward to your reply once again. Yours Faithfully, Leonard
Emmanuel
<with kind regards, Anthony>
Tiretrack Eels 10/14/03
They have not had an appetite for 3 weeks and I am getting worried so please
can any one that is an expert on them please help me.
<I really could use more info. These are Tiretrack eels? How long have you had
them? What kind of food have you offered them? How big is their tank? What
are their tankmates? Have you tested the water? How often do you change the
water? After you answer all of these questions I'll be much better equipped to
help your fish. Just to let you know, the only food I have ever seen my eels
eat is live Tubifex/black/bloodworms.>
and if there is a phone # I could call to give more detail please tell me.
<I'm sorry, we have no phone service. Emails to this address is the best we can
do.>
thanks Jeff <Your Welcome, Pufferpunk>
Boiled Eel..
>Hi,
>>Hello.
>Wow incredible site.
>>Thank you.
>My sister has a tire track eel and it's sick, it has boils (?) on its back.
That's how she described it to me.
>>Sounds like ulcers, an open sore is my take on it. This isn't good, though.
>What might it be and how can we fix it?
>>We see ulcers of this type most commonly on goldfish. It's called septicemia
(see here:
http://www.fishbase.org/Diseases/DiseasesSummary2.cfm?discode=809
)
>Do you have any good references for info on curing disease/sick tire track
eels?
>>Not specific to tire track eels, but you can also search for treatments for
SCALELESS fishes.
>I read on your site that if it has sores it's likely to die soon?
>>Maybe not so soon, but these afflictions can be very difficult to deal
with. It should NOT be treated in the main display, however.
>She's very found of this eel as she says it has a lot of personality!
>>I'm sure it does, and if you can, search further on
http://www.fishdisease.net/
as well as looking for freshwater fish forums and sites. Because these
infections can by caused by many bacteria, treatment is rather like "blasting"
with antibiotics. Marina
>Thanks, Cindy
Sick eel please help
I have a Aethiomastacembelus elipsifer Tanganyika eel and it does not look like
he is eating and has gotten very skinny. I was wondering if there was anything I
could do to fatten him up. He is not very active and does not look very good. I
have him in a 55 gal. with mainly a Tanganyika/Malawi setup. I have tried
feeding him bloodworms, freeze-dried plankton, and flake food at night after I
have turned the lights out and the other fish have already been fed. I even
tried holding it in front of him and he will not eat it. He used to bury himself
all the time and now he just stays in one spot out all the time. I am very
worried about him. What should I do?
< These eels are very cool. I saw many different species in lake Tanganyika as
few years ago. They ranged from little small 4 inch eels that would swim around
like little sea horses to very large ones like fire eels. In the wild we saw
them feeding on small shell dwelling cichlids in around the rocks. We caught
them at night in minnow traps using very oily fish as bait in the trap. I would
catch the eel and place him in a separate tank that is well covered so he won't
jump out. Place a layer of fine sand on the bottom and a rock or cave that he
can hide in. Make sure the water temp is at least 80 degrees. I would first try
some live washed earthworms or some well washed black worms. Then I would get
some feeder guppies and throw them in the tank. See if the eel will take the
guppies out of your hand. If this doesn't work then maybe small strips or raw
fish cut to bite sized chunks. In a large community tank these eels are
reluctant to feed because of all the commotion the cichlids create. You eel may
end up needing live fish all the time. -Chuck>
Thanks, Jessica B.
Feeding peacock eels
I just purchased a small peacock eel and was wondering if I was feeding
correctly. He/she is about 4-5 inches long and I'm feeding shrimp pellets. I
read in the information on spiny eels that they won't bite and chew their food.
I don't think my eel's mouth is large enough yet to eat the shrimp pellet whole
but I dropped a pellet near him (he's burrowed and sticking his head and part of
his body out) earlier and it's gone now. Will they eat the pellets once they've
softened? Or do I need to resort to frozen food (I live in a college dorm that
allows only fish tanks and I don't have access to a store that sells live food
so my method of feeding is rather limited)?
<Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/matacembelids.htm
>
In addition to that, I was wondering what would be the best remedies for the
most common infections, like ick. I'm using a product currently with my other
fish called CopperSafe by Mardel (Active ingredient: Chelated Copper Sulfate) in
combination with a product called MelaFix (it says it's safe to use with
scale-less fish). CopperSafe seems to work really well with my other fish,
including a pictus cat, who came in with ick. But you mentioned that metallic
medications don't work well on eels. What should I look for in an anti-ick
medication when it comes to peacock eels? Should I just dose the tank with
non-iodized salt?
Sarah
<Please read over WWM using the Google search tool there, with these questions,
product names... I would not use Melafix for anything, nor copper compounds on
mastacembelids or pimelodid cats... Read my friend, before purchasing livestock,
using toxic chemicals on them. Bob Fenner>
Fire eel 11/3/05
Dear Robert,
I wrote to in July with regard to my 10 year old fire eel (in 90 gallon
tank) that I have always treated with the Maracyn and CopperSafe. You
recommended I get a copper (ion) test kit to monitor the copper level because
Stresscoat (which I use all the time) can remove it over time. I purchased a
freshwater kit by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals which reads from 0.25 thru 4.0. My
measurement today is .25. Is this a treatment level?
<Yes... tween 0.15 and 0.30 ppm of free cupric ion>
My old kit by Aquarium Systems (which I cannot find replacement packets for)
read 0.15 thru 0.2 on the chart and it stated that this is a therapeutic
treatment if maintained for 10-14 days.
I also would like your opinion on this: my fire eel has these blister like,
or more like welts, on his sides. He has had these for sometime - they are not
new. It reminds me of a hive like a human would get on their skin. And, he has
grown up with a Pleco that appears to have an uncanny affection towards him.
It's like their glued together, though I suspect the Pleco is sucking the slime
off of him.
<May be>
Again, this has been going on for years. Your comments, please.
Thank you.
Linda I.
<I would keep an eye on the Pleco... try to keep it weaned away from the eel...
perhaps with algae wafers... offered toward the evening/lights out. Bob Fenner>
Fire Eels, Cestodes, and Praziquantel - 11/01/2005
Hello Crew! I have a 2 1/2 foot Fire Eel that appears to have tapeworms. He
appears very healthy and gregarious in all respects, but periodically he
discharges some white, flat, many inches long, substance which appears to cause
him some discomfort, resulting in thrashing about the tank to dislodge it. Does
not appear to be normal waste or a normal way to evacuate based on the
discomfort involved and the color.
<Could indeed be tapeworms.... or other worms.>
I have not been able to isolate any of this substance as the rest of his tank
mates devour it immediately,
<Ugh.>
which of course means they also have worms if that is what they are.
<Agreed.>
He is fed live worms and I know they can be carriers of tapeworms which has
caused my concern.
<Good concern.>
I know he shouldn't have any medications with copper, and I was also concerned
because he is scaleless, or nearly so anyway. Some of his tankmates are also
loaches and Botias, so I have to worry about them as well since he is too big to
quarantine and they and the rest of his tankmates would probably have to be
treated as well, anyway. However, all his tankmates also appear to be quite
healthy. What medication or treatment would you recommend?
<Praziquantel would be my first choice, followed by Levamisole or Piperazine....
There are a number of products available for aquarium use, one being
"Prazi-Pro". Any of these medications (or others for cestodes) will need to be
administered via food, I believe.>
Thank you for your time. He is a sweet little fiend, and I don't want the worms
to cause him problems in the future. I wasn't able to find anything by
performing a search for this item in your website.
<Glad to hopefully be of service.>
Marcia
<Wishing you well, -Sabrina>
Fire eel, copper use 7/22/05
Dear Robert:
<Linda>
I have had my fire eel about 10 years and he is about 18-19 inches and very well
rounded.
<How nice... great pets, very intelligent>
He is very aggressive and spooks easily and has had several injuries to his body
over the years. Only on one occasion did I almost lose him - my local aquarium
shop said it sounded like an infection in his gills - heavy breathing - not
eating or swimming. I treated the tank with Maracyns I and II and CopperSafe
and he recovered. I have used these products ever since, and having read on
your webpage that eels are sensitive to copper I wonder if I should stop.
<Mmm, no... just "be careful"... not to over-expose>
I recently moved ( and the fire eel) to a new home which is on well water and I
regularly treat the water with StressCoat and CopperSafe. May I have your
opinion on this treatment plan. Thank you.
Linda Itoh
<Mmm, I would get, use a copper (ion) test kit... and know that StressCoat will
remove/precipitate copper. Bob Fenner>
Poorly eel...
Ps. Sorry for such a long email, but I thought I'd tell you as much
as I could,,,
also forgot to add, All the other fish seem ok...
And the eel never seemed to eat anything... I got some maggots from the
local fishing shop.. the other fish liked them, and the eel showed more
interest in them than bloodworms, or anything else I'd been trying to
feed him, and looked as if he was trying to eat one, he made a move
towards it, but didn't get it in his mouth,,, so I'm not entirely
convinced he's eaten too much since I got him.. (about 3 weeks ago) hope
you can help....
Sami
<This spiny eel is extremely mal-affected by a bacterial infection...
though often termed fungal... A very quick administration of antibiotics
to the system (Chloramphenicol if you can get it, Spectrogram (product)
if not... at double dose... 250 mg. per five gallons, addition of a
teaspoon of aquarium salt per five gallons... in a separate treatment
system, attention to water quality while there... offering tubificid
worms as food... Might save this specimen, but doubtful at this stage.
Bob Fenner> |
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Sores on Aethiomastacembelus elipisfer 3/10/06
I just bought a Aethiomastacembelus elipisfer about a month and a half ago.
This week I see a sore on its side. Also, it is not very active, preferring to
"make like grass" in the plants. I am not sure it has been eating, but have
fed guppies and will continue to do so. do you have suggestions on treatment
for these sores?
Thanks
Pei
<Mmm, yes... from Oliver's input and mine posted on WWM (Please use the Google
search tool or read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/spinyeelfaqs.htm
These matters need to be addressed aggressively. Bob Fenner>
Fire Eel Issues - 04/05/2006
I have a fire eel (approximately eighteen inches) in a freshwater tank -
think he might about 15 years old - not sure.
<Nice!>
A couple weeks ago he stopped eating, became lethargic (not sure I spelled
that right),
<I believe you did.>
and appeared to have labored breathing. I dosed the tank with Maracyn II
for five days,
<Why?>
and then another five days with Maracyn.
<Again, why? Did you see symptoms of anything aside from the heavy
breathing/lethargy? Did you have reason to suspect a bacterial infection?>
I have only used Mardel products on him including Coppersafe and
occasionally Maroxy.
<.... should try not to use medications unless you know there's a disease
that must be treated....>
He has a couple injury sites that have turned white.
<Disturbing. How did he become injured? Tankmate squabble? Escape
attempt?>
After the second week of antibiotic treatment, he improved, regained his
appetite and was swimming like usual. Last night, he stopped eating
again. I'm not sure what to do this time around. I/m afraid he might be
dying from old age?
<In all honesty, this is possible....>
I am doing 20-25% partials every 5-7 days.
<Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH readings?>
He has a small area of whitish skin on the side of his face. Please give me
some suggestions. Linda Itoh
Hello,
I wrote to you a little earlier and I need to add a symptom I just noticed
with my fire eel - his stomach is bloated.
<The bloated belly and refusal to eat are troubling.... I would first check
(and correct, if necessary) his water quality.... Next, there are a number
of things to consider. First, simple constipation. Foods high in roughage
content may help with this (adult daphnia, adult brine
shrimp....). Secondly, these dropsical symptoms may indicate an internal
bacterial infection; if that's the case, there may be little you can do,
depending upon what, exactly, is troubling him. You might consider trying
to feed with an antibiotic medicated food, though this will (obviously) be
difficult if the fellow refuses to eat.... Maintaining optimal water
quality and hoping for the best with foods to help reduce constipation may
be your best first start.>
Linda Itoh
<My best wishes to your eely friend, -Sabrina>
Fire Eel Issues - II - 04/22/2006
I have not been doing well with my fire eel. His belly is still
bloated and he is not eating.
<Yikes!>
I have been doing water testing and the results as of last night
were: ph 7.5, copper .5 to 1.0,
<I still don't understand what you are treating with the copper? Our
correspondences haven't let me to believe that you are dealing with ich or
other parasites....>
nitrite .09,
<This should test as zero.... likely you need to do more frequent water
changes right now; the copper has destroyed your biological
filtration.... And again, why copper?>
nitrate (I am still having problems figuring out) I am using tetra test
NO3 and color in test-tube matches 25mg on color chart with kit;
<Mm, it's in parts per million, no?>
however if I divide that by 4.4 I believe that number is 5.68, is that
good or not?
<You've lost me here; why are you dividing? Is it not displayed as
parts per million, or....? And what about your ammonia readings?>
I think he has an infection and needs to be treated with antibiotics.
<.... this is possible, but not seeing the fish, not having all the
data, I really can't tell you what he might need at this point.... If you
do suspect an internal bacterial infection, Kanamycin or Nitrofurazone in
food is my recommendation.... or at least orally if not in food, if in any
way possible.>
I have only used Mardel products in the tank. The white injury sites
are from him trying to cram into a castle which is too small for him now
which I have not taken out yet because he is so panic stricken when I work
in the tank I'm afraid he is going to jump out.
<If there is an item in the tank responsible for the injuries to the
animal, PLEASE get it out of there IMMEDIATELY. Replace it with more decor
of a more desirable nature, large enough not to damage the poor
fellow. This is imperative; if he's getting wounds from this castle, it
needs to go, pronto, in favor of something that won't wound him.>
Some years ago I was working in the tank and he took off like a rocket
right out of the tank, in the air, and landed on a tile floor. He did
recover but has not been the same since.
<Yeee-ikes! I can imagine! Sneaky little fellows.... give him more
appropriate hiding spaces, things to make him feel secure, things that won't
wound him.>
I also have been using well water for the past 3.5 years which I treat
with stresscoat when I partial. Please give me some suggestions?
<This bloating and refusal to eat is hopefully something that can be
passed.... I would add a tablespoon or two of Epsom salts (Magnesium
Sulfate) per ten gallons of water; this may very well help him pass any
blockage. Secondly, I would absolutely quit with the copper, unless you are
treating for ich or some such.... adding copper is shooting yourself in the
foot right now, with regards to water quality. If you are highly confidant
of a bacterial infection, I would recommend treating with Kanamycin and/or
Nitrofurazone, again, preferably orally and preferably in food.>
Right now, I am just doing partials about every 4-5 days.
<You may need to increase this to *daily* with the copper in your tank
destroying your biological filtration.... Be testing, *daily*, for ammonia,
nitrite, nitrate, pH....>
Thank you. Linda
<All the best to you, Linda, and don't get disheartened. Spiny eels are
resilient fellows, and hopefully yours, aged though he is, can pull through
this. Wishing you well, -Sabrina>
Fire Eel Issues - III - 04/23/2006
Sabrina, thank you for your response with regard to my fire eel. I had
been treating the tank with copper because the injury sites were not healing
like they have in the past.
<Copper really isn't very useful for aiding wounds in healing....>
I did about a 30-35% water change yesterday and my copper level today is 0.5. I
plan on not adding anymore copper. I was thinking if I maintain a therapeutic
level of copper it would keep him from getting parasites.
<Mm, for the most part, you're not so likely to see parasite issues pop up
unless you introduce them; it's bacterial complaints that you need to have
concern over.>
I have always maintained a level of copper in the tank for as long as I've had
him.
<With regards for parasite prevention, a more useful and less toxic substance to
use is just aquarium salt. Spiny eels don't much like it, but tolerate it FAR
better than copper.>
Today my nitrite is 0.3 mg/liter, and NO3 is 50mg/l. I am using tetra tests
with color charts measures reading in mg/l.
<I see. mg/L is the same as ppm (parts per million). Thus, you have .3ppm
nitrite and 50ppm nitrate. You most certainly need to do some hefty (or
heftier) water changes; spiny eels don't appreciate high nitrates.... I would
quickly strive to bring this much lower; 20ppm at a maximum, less if possible.>
The only test chart I see with ppm's is the copper chart. I am thinking I need
to another partial today; but I just don't know.
<Yes, absolutely.>
My ammonia is 0 according to the tetra test color chart reading from 0 thru
5.0.
<Get the nitrite to zero, and the nitrate down.>
Interestingly, after I did the 30-35 partial he actually ate some food last
night;
<Ah! Good!>
but still looks very uncomfortable, and is still bloated. I thought the bloating
was due to a bacterial infection which is why I'm thinking he needs
antibiotic. Can you tell me where I can Kanamycin in the oral form?
<You might have to mix it yourself, or take a look at
http://flguppiesplus.safeshopper.com/234/cat234.htm?590 - they have an
antibacterial medicated flake with Oxytetracycline, which might also be
effective.>
The only antibiotic I keep on hand are the Maracyns. I did not put Epsom salts
in the tank yesterday because of the partial and he seemed to have gotten some
relief from it.
<The Epsom cannot cause him harm, even if he were in perfect health, and may
help *immensely*.>
I'm so distraught over the possibility of him not making it through this.
<Get the nitrate down.... Discontinue copper.... Add Epsom.... Maintain
impeccable water quality (ammonia and nitrite at ZERO, nitrate less than 20ppm
and preferably closer to 5ppm).... Wait a few days, then begin with antibiotics
in food if no improvement is seen. At least, that's what I would do.>
Thank you for your help. -Linda
<All the best to you, -Sabrina>
Fire Eel Issues - IV - 05/13/2006
Hi Sabrina,
<Hi, Linda!>
I'm writing again with regard to my bloated fire eel. He is hanging in
there; but he is obviously not comfortable. I added the Epsom and have
discontinued the copper since April 25th no copper. The copper level is
holding at 0.25 ppm,
<I continue to urge you to get this to zero.>
0 ammonia, 25 mg/l nitrates,
<Really needs to be lower still.>
<0.3> nitrites,
<Needs to be zero.
ph is holding at 8.
<Yikes!>
I have read that fire eels like a lower ph so the 8 concerns me.
<Yes, me too, a great deal.>
However, at this point I'm so frustrated with what to do, maybe the pH8 is
not a significant problem.
<Mm, it is a problem, I think. Many/most fishes are very tolerant of a
wide-ish range of pH, but spiny eels really should not be in a pH this
high. Dangerous.>
After our last email conversation he was not eating so I put Maracyn II in
the tank for 10 days, he starts eating and swimming around. He will not eat
flake food, shrimp, bloodworms or earthworms.
<Disconcerting that he won't take worms....>
He eats shrimp pellets and algae wafers. Since I stopped the copper his
welt-like blisters are getting white-ish and he is scraping along the bottom
of the tank.
<Still signs of irritation, perhaps at the nitrite, nitrate, copper, or that
very high pH - or something else in the water, even.>
I have done partials every 2-4 days, however he seems really stressed after
a partial. I am on well water here and I did a hardness test on it - 14 dGH
- and 13 dKH.
<Kinda high, there.>
I have always used water right from the well, and am now wondering if I
should be using water from the tap which is ran through a softener. The tap
water reads 1dgh and 12 dKH.
<I would advise against the softened tapwater; this can be even more trouble
than it's worth. The very hard, high pH of the current water, though, is
troubling. I would like to suggest that you try doing a couple of water
changes (carefully, and spaced apart in time) with some water from a Reverse
Osmosis filtration unit or even store-bought bottled water - I don't know
where you are, but many places have water stores where you can fill up a 5g
water jug for a buck or so with straight RO water. Just BE CAUTIOUS of
this, as the pH of the purified/bottled water will be much, much lower than
the pH of the tank - you do NOT want to lower his pH too quickly.>
My aquarium readings as of yesterday are 18dgh and 10 dKH. I had to have my
husband
help me with these tests. Very complicated for me.
<And very kind of your husband, too - thank him for me.>
Seems like he has skin problems since we moved from city water to well
water.
<Bingo....>
I'm probably just grasping at straws at this stage.
<I very strongly feel that the bulk of this animal's problems are
environmental. I would actually hold of from medicating at all (aside from
the Epsom salt, I would use that again after your next water change). I
would like to see this critter VERY slowly (as in, 0.2 a day) go down to
below a 7.0 pH with as close to zero nitrate as possible (below 20ppm at the
least), zero ammonia, zero nitrite, zero copper, and lower hardness with the
use of RO/bottled water. I really think a more accurate environment may be
the whole key here.>
I have purchased Maracyn Plus Biospheres Antibacterial (Sulfadimidine and
Trimethoprin). Do you think this would help with the skin welts?<Mm, I
would hold off on medicating this animal any more than absolutely necessary
at this point and see how an improved environment affects him.>
Please give me your thoughts.
<You've got 'em now, and I hope they help some.>
Thanks, -Lyn
<All the best to you and your eely buddy, -Sabrina>
Fire Eel Issues - V - 05/15/2006
Hi Sabrina,
<Hi, Linda!>
I'm writing with an update on my fire eel. After I read your last reply, I
did a small partial - only five gallons of aquarium water - did I replace
with store-bought bottled water. I'd like to explain something to you that
my husband explained to me before I give you the numbers. I have been
testing the PH with a tetra test kit that reads from 5,0 thru 10,0 and the
aquarium water has been reading an 8,0. He brought in the ph kit for our
pool water that reads in tenths from 7.0 thru 8.0. We tested the aquarium
water (before small partial) to see if it matched my ph of 8. It did not -
it read 7.6.
<A big difference.... I would test this against another aquarium test kit,
perhaps at your local store; many/most stores will test your water for you
for free.>
We did the partial and the ph on the tetra kit read 7.5 and the pool kit
read 7.4.
<This is a difference that could be charted up to human error.... is very
close.>
This was on May 14th. Tonight, I just did the ph readings and they are
unchanged. The nitrites and nitrates are also unchanged. The dGH is still
18 but the kH is down to 8.
<One last time. Ammonia and Nitrite MUST be ZERO. Nitrate MUST be as low
as possible; below 20ppm at the least, preferably even at or below 5ppm for
this sensitive animal. These things aren't options, but criteria on which
your eel's life hinges. The pH is next in line of importance.>
The magnum filter was clogging up pretty good so I changed that tonight.
<Likely a/the "source" of high nitrate in your tank.>
My fire eel has stopped eating again - 3rd night in a row - since I stopped
the Maracyn II - he has stopped eating.
<This could very well be coincidence, to be quite honest. These animals can
sometimes stop eating once in a while.>
I feel like I need to treat him with something especially since he has
stopped eating again.
<Bob and I and a few other folks were just talking about this tendency in
aquarists; a desire to throw a medication at a problem.... This is a very,
very unfortunate tendency, and probably kills more organisms than it
saves.... Granted, I do not know you or your pet, but I still feel that
throwing medication at the fellow's condition when there are KNOWN problems
with the water that must be corrected is folly.>
What would be in the Maracyn II to make him eat?
<Can actually be coincidence.>
I can't determine if he is breathing easier or not since the partial - I
don't think so. IF he starts to look worse and I decide to medicate him,
would it be safe to use the Maracyn Plus Biospheres?
<I can't recommend either, to be honest. Not until the water quality is
rectified. Fixing the water quality is *imperative*.>
In your last reply, you had suggested doing a couple of water changes
carefully spaced apart.
<Mm, as far as spacing them apart, what I'm most concerned about is not
decreasing the pH too quickly.>
Do you think another water change should be done in the next day or two, or
more towards the end of the week?
<I would say NOW, and urgently so, until that nitrate reading is down.>
And, I'm thinking another 5 gallons of bottled water and 5-10 gallons well
water. By the way, with regard to CopperSafe - I was reviewing my emails
with you guys and noticed the very first one a Bob Fenner replied to and I
got the impression he was okay with using CopperSafe. I was just wondering
about the difference of opinion.
<I am actually sitting with him now, he's right next to me.... We've
talked, and he does agree that maintaining copper on spiny eels is not a
good idea. They just don't do well with many medications. If you like, a
direct quote from his Mastacembelid article: "Spiny eels don't respond well
to toxic dye and metal medications." http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/matacembelids.htm
. I do believe he misunderstood that you had intended to use copper as a
constant preventative in the water.... I believe, and I feel that he does
too, that this is a bad idea.>
Thank you for your reply - again. Lyn
<Please do go ahead and read over the article and the FAQs file linked to
it, if you would.... hopefully you might find some other piece of insight
that would be of help to you. Wishing you well, -Sabrina>
Fire "Eel", Eye Damage - 10/12/05
Hello
<Good morning.>
I hope you can help me to help my Fire Eel. When we were cleaning the tank
10 days ago, my eel got a fright and decided to have a 100mph swim round the
tank!
<Yikes! Hopefully this system is not too small for him to feel secure....>
I think he must have hurt himself as I have now noticed that his one eye is
totally white (looks blind) and he has a patch above the eye which seems to
be getting whiter by the day.
<Definitely a concern.... Probably did scratch/damage himself during his
speedy stint about the tank.>
He is also off his food, not having eaten for three days (very unusual for
him).
<And not a good sign....>
I have bought some Potassium Permanganate (Condy's crystals), but don't know
if I can use this as he is 'scaleless' and I have been told to be careful of
medications as not all are suitable for eels.
<You are correct. Do not use this.... Very, very caustic - will more than
likely kill the eel, and can be hazardous to deadly even on stronger fish.>
Please help. I am worried about my fat boy!
<Bob's recommendation (and I agree wholeheartedly) is to add aquarium salt
(the stuff marketed for freshwater aquaria, not marine salt), perhaps at one
or two tablespoons per ten gallons, possibly also add Maracyn I & II
(erythromycin and Minocycline) as a preventative.... and of course, maintain
optimal water quality. Try feeding stinky, attractive foods like bloodworms
(live if you can get 'em) or even redworms/tiny earthworms you collect
yourself from an area uncontaminated by pesticides/herbicides.>
Thanks, -Wendy
<Wishing you well, -Sabrina> |
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