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FAQs about Acroporid Coral Identification
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Related FAQs: Acroporids 1,
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Acroporid Behavior,
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Acroporid Disease,
Acroporid Systems, Acroporid Reproduction,
Stony/True Coral,
Coral System Set-Up, Coral
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Growing Reef Corals, Stony
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Montipora
capricornis Compatibility 03/31/2008
Hey Crew.
<<Good Morning, Andrew today>>
I hope the mice aren't playing too much while the cat is away. I have a
"professional compatibility opinion" question for you.
I was in my LFS today and noticed a very nice (4" wide and 6" long)
coral that I believe to be a Montipora capricornis. (See attached
picture--do you agree?).
<<Agreed>>
This coral is in the "all corals in this tank are $25" tank. I couldn't
believe the LFS is selling this for only $25 as I've seen similar corals
demanding much higher prices, so I asked one of the clerks why it was so
cheap and he said that they are trying to get rid of it because it's
been at the store for over 2 weeks with no takers. He tells me that it
is an aquacultured "cup coral" that doesn't have the coloring that most
people like. This coral would look great in my tank, so I came home and
did some research on compatibility and am a little concerned about its
ability to survive/thrive given my other animals (mostly, my
Corallimorphs). I have a 110 gallon display with 95 lbs of LR and a 30
gallon refugium (DSB, 10 lbs LR, and large clump of Chaeto). Lighting is
2x250W HQIs (20,000K) driven by 2 IceCap ballasts and 4x65W actinic PCs.
My circulation is about 15 x per hour between my return pump and my
internal power heads.
My coral livestock list is as follows:
Corallimorphs (positioned throughout my tank):
8 small green hairy mushrooms on one rock
8 medium green Rhodactis mushrooms on one rock
1 small purple Rhodactis mushroom
14 small red mushrooms spread throughout my tank
1 medium orange Ricordea mushroom
3 small cream colored mushrooms on one piece of Tonga branch
Soft Corals:
2 large colonies Pulsing Xenia
2 large Capnellas
1 large Dendronephthya (9 months and thriving!)
1 large red pipe organ (Tubipora musica)
LPS:
1 Pacific Open Brain (Trachyphyllia)
5 polyps candy cane coral (Caulastrea echinulata).
I run two 1-cup portions of activated carbon in my sump that I change
out every 2 weeks to help reduce any allelopathy.
At $25, this isn't a huge investment by any stretch, but I don't want to
purchase this coral only to put it in an environment in which it won't
thrive or survive. There is an empty spot about half way up my tank that
is in a relatively high-flow area that would be a perfect spot for
this coral. What do you think?
<<Given enough space / distance between this and other corals, I see no
reason why you could not house this in your system>>
Thanks for your insight/thoughts! Andy
<<Thanks for questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>>
Re: Montipora capricornis
Compatibility 04/01/2008
Andrew,
<<Andy>>
Someone opined to me that this coral is a Merulina ampliata, not a Monti cap,
but the pictures of Merulina that I've been able to find don't
resemble this coral. However, after reading WWM and elsewhere, the ridges on
this coral make me wonder whether it may be a Merulina, but .
. . Any thoughts on the proper ID of this coral and, if a Merulina, any
difference in your original opinion that it should do okay in my
display? Closer pic is here:
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii81/abulgin/DSC_0654.jpg
<<Ampilata do not roll up as the Monti Cap does. Its a more flat plating coral.
I will stick with Montipora Capricornis>>
Thanks again!
Andy
<<Thanks for the follow and query. A Nixon>>
Re: Montipora capricornis
Compatibility – 04/1/08
Andrew,
<<Hello again>>
Thanks for the reply. This picture is what got me thinking maybe we were wrong:
http://whelk.aims.gov.au/coralsearch/html/201-300/Pix/240-02.htm
<<I still feel confident of this being a Monti cap. If you review the following
photo's of the Merulina ampliata, to me, I can see the difference..
http://www.reef-guardian.com/fiches-coraux-pic-76.html ..Flat, not rose, higher
pronounced ridges.>>
<<Thanks, A Nixon>>
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Acro ID... and high
alk. -12/26/07
Good Morning team. Pierre here.
<Hi, Sara here.>
Just obtained some nice Christmas frags and wanted your help in
identifying one of them. Here are two pictures. The second shows it in
better focus in the upper left corner of the monti.
<I'm sorry, there's no way I could ID these corals without a very good,
close up picture of the bare coral skeleton. Sorry, that's just the way
it is with most Acropora family coral IDs.>
Also wanting my Acros to color up a little better but fear my carbonate
hardness may be wreaking havoc.
<Don't worry so much about color right now, worry about polyp extension
and overall health. Coral colors can change, but we still don't know
exactly why or how enough to intelligently try and consistently induce
one color over another.>
I've been trying to bring it down doing weekly water changes with
Instant Ocean mix, but the fresh mixed water's alkalinity is high (over
10dKH) when I test it.
<Why aren't you using RO/DI water?>
Fresh water is mixed and circulated for 24hrs before change is
performed. I tried bringing it down using the club soda/seltzer water
method but it didn't seem to work. Any ideas?
<Hmm... this is one reason why most all reef aquarists use RO/DI
filtered (or distilled) fresh water to start with.>
The tank is 125 gallons with a 55 gallon tank as a sump that houses my
skimmer, which flows
through a bubble trap into my refugium (which is on a reverse light
cycle), then into my return. Lighting is 2- 400 watt 20k Hamilton Metal
Halides placed about 10" above the water's surface. Temp control is with
a 1/3 hp Current Prime chiller. Here are my parameters.
ph 8.4 day/ 8.2 night
alkalinity 12 dKH
magnesium 1500 ppm
calcium 400 ppm
nitrites 0
nitrates 0
I also don't have a lot of fish so my nitrate stays undetectable, could
this also be leading to the lack of color from my Acros?
<Hmm, no, as far as I know, most Acropora sp. we get for the hobby
prefer low nutrient environments.>
My tank has been set up and running and most of the coral added since
April of this year.
<Usually, it's recommended you wait at least a year before attempting to
keep Acropora sp. coral, but that's not a hard rule and I guess you're
close enough.>
I also have some beautiful Monti Capricornis and Pocillopora Damicornis
which are colored nicely. Circulation is provided by my return head Rio
2500+, with head pressure running around 400gph and an in tank Rio 2100.
Growth from all species is decent but not stunning.
<Please feel encouraged to search the site for more detailed information
on how to best care for all these animals.>
Thanks crew. Look forward to your answer.
<Best,
Sara M.>
Re: Acro ID 12/26/07
Thanks for your reply Sara. I did forget to tell you that all my top off
and water changes are made using RO/DI water from my own home system.
<Huh... that's odd. RO/DI water should be nearly pure and not have any
alkalinity to speak of.>
I also have a TDS meter that monitors the output. All the cartridges and
filters are less than a month old. I also dose Kalk with my top off
although I've cut down on the amount while trying to fix my alkalinity
issue.
<Ok, that should help.>
I've also noticed lately that the Instant Ocean mix has been rendering a
high alkalinity. I'm at a loss trying to get these numbers back down to
normal.
<Hmm... if you suspect the salt mix, maybe try a different one. Instant
Ocean, is notoriously inconsistent. One bag might be great, the next
maybe not so much. In fact, you might even just try getting a different
bag of Instant Ocean. Or better yet, have you tried Reef Crystals? It's
made by the same company as IO, but it's formulated a little better for
reef tanks.>
The alkalinity test I'm using is a Salifert and I've tested it on
completely fresh RO/DI water and it reacts immediately reading 0 dKH.
<Oh, I'm sorry, in the previous email I thought you were saying that
your freshwater was starting out at 10dKH (which just didn't make any
sense). Sorry about that... so, now I would especially suspect your salt
mix.>
The tank itself has been set up for over two years. At that point I had
minimal PC lighting (384 watts) and was just housing some soft corals
and mushrooms. I've just started keeping SPS and LPS since April when I
had the metal halide lighting situated. I'll wait for the corals to seek
their own ground with coloring.
<Good idea... if you want my personal opinion, I suspect that feeding
also affects coloration (perhaps as much, if not more so, than
lighting).>
Should I not waste any more time with the club soda method to try to
bring my alkalinity down?
<Yes, I'd stop that for now and try switching salt mixes. Do water
changes with half old and half new salt first though (to "acclimate" to
the new mix). See if that doesn't help.>
Polyp extension has been very good with lights on or off. Thanks again.
You ladies/gents are fantastic and I love the site.
<Thank you :-)
Best,
Sara M.> |
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A. palmata? Elkhorn coral? 3/5/07
Bob, I got two colonies of a very odd brown coral from a friend
whose tank has been up for a while. he got it from another guy way back
etc etc. goes back to when Elkhorn wasn't considered endangered or
threatened.
<The whole planet is human-endangered... some spots, biotopes, species
more than others is all>
he said it was Elkhorn. and the way he coral is growing it certainly
looks like Elkhorn. Who do we know who could positively ID these two
colonies if i sent a frag or high resolution images? Eric B maybe? or
Anthony?
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/JagerE/tank%20shots%203-3-07/PICT0037.jpg
<For?>
I know the picture isn't good. here are some others that i got as soon
as i had the colonies before they colored up.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/JagerE/lisa%20the%20puffer%20album/DSCF0078.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/JagerE/lisa%20the%20puffer%20album/DSCF0073.jpg
the last one is behind the staghorn coral.
Id try to take better pictures but the camera is on hiatus with my
brother.
ideas?
<Does look like an Acropora species... but not A. palmata to me... the
termini of this species tend to be flattened out, blade-like when at
this size... See the attached pic. BobF> |
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Re: a. palmata? Elkhorn coral? 3/5/07
Thanks Bob, i was trying to ID closely what it is for my reef club whom
am fragging pieces out for propagation purposes. easier to keep records
of who has what etc when you have names to go with the corals.
<Ah yes>
whose tank is that piece in the photo you attached? tis a gorgeous
coral
Thanks again
Justin
<Mmm, don't know... I only label by date made and what part of the
world... AQ for aquariums everywhere. B> |
Re: a. palmata? Elkhorn coral? 3/5/07
For what it is worth...it looks to be A. Elkhorn. Captive grown species
tend to be very brittle and small like the piece shown. Wild specimens
tend to be much thicker and look different. Used to have a thin
specimen that grew like a weed! It would always break and the pieces
would grow up in no time. Beautiful coral none the less. Enjoy!
Cheers!
Dr. J / Justin
<Will accrue. B> |
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Re: a. palmata? Elkhorn coral? 3/5/07
I'm sorry... I have to say it. Even from the blur of an image
(dreadful pic quality) I cannot see anything that even remotely
suggests that this coral is an Atlantic Elkhorn Acro. To ID any
species by image is generally irresponsible, but in this case with
Elkhorn being so unique in morphology... its rather easy.
Making the matter easier is:
1) the water flow required to grow Elkhorn in aquaria is so strong
that it would literally peel the tissue off of most any other coral
you'll keep. Instead... they simply have dismal survivability
(read... less than six months) because no tank really can
produce/provide that much water flow. You cannot name one public
aquarium that has these corals thriving. A. cervicornis yes... but
not palmata.
2) the story about these corals being "grandfathered" before legal
collection was stopped is even less believable than the Easter
bunny. Check the dates when that occurred my friends... decades ago.
Marine aquarists were using air lifts for water movement back then
;)
Instead... some nefarious or at least ignorant person cracked open a
book and saw a pic of a branching Acro that was really "rare"
(Atlantic) and pitched that hooey :p
Bobster... do you want the pleasure of telling these folks how many
described species of Acros there are :D
<Several hundred according to J.E.N. (Charley Veron). RMF>
Ahhh... we have some zeros on that number, folks.
Once they have been grown in captivity, their skeletal structure
changes and they cannot be IDed to species. So says Veron and
colleagues FWIW (a lot BTW).
Anthony
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Re: A. palmata? Elkhorn coral? Hooey!!!!!!!! 3/5/07
Justin,
Are you really even confident that it is an Acropora? It is hard to pick
out axial corallites in your pic. There are some sort of lumpy-bumpy
Montiporas with flattened branches that get called "Elkhorn". If it is an
Acropora, there are certainly Indo-Pacific species that form solid plates,
"moose antler" and other vaguely Elkhorn type growth forms.
FWIW... for a variety of reasons in addition to those stated by Anthony, I agree
that the possibility of A. palmata being maintained in captivity is vanishingly
small. The last time I was there, the aquarium in John Pennekamp (sp?)
park in the Keys was very successfully growing A. cervicornis from fragments
collected at boat groundings. They were running semi-open systems.
They said they had zero success with A. Palmata in their systems and they even
had poor success when they attached frags on the reef. It is definitely a
demanding critter!
Best Regards,
AdamC
Re: a. palmata? Elkhorn coral? Hooey!!!!!!!! 3/5/07
you are welcome my friend... and my apologize if the message last night was
brusque. It was a long day of email as y'all are familiar with :)
But truly... I get chided when I see coral sellers exploit the eagerness of
buyers with flat out lies about corals that are not actually "rare" in
the wild (though they label them so... like the acans, Ricordea, Montis, etc)...
and in this case, an illegal coral. Creepier still are the dregs
that poach corals and call them "limited edition." Ewwwww.
The reality of palmata's challenges in captivity are so extreme (truly) that
you can literally say that if the suspected coral has been alive and
growing for even a few months next to other acros... then its not palmata.
FWIW
Anthony Calfo
ID Of Montipora And Anemone - 8/10/2006
Hi! Could you please help me confirm the species of these two
animals (see two attached files). One was sold to me as Macrodactyla
doreensis, but I
have a doubt. The other one is an unidentified Montipora.
<The anemone appears to be a doreensis or Corkscrew Anemone. The
Montipora looks like a type of capricornis.>
Thanks!
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
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Algae Over-Growing M. capricornis? - 03/30/06
Hello,
<<Howdy>>
I looked for an answer to my question but couldn't find what I am searching
for. I hope you can help.
<<Me too <grin>.>>
I have a Montipora capricornis that is supposed to be orange but it has a layer
of green algae on it.
<<?!>>
I have tried blowing it off with a powerhead and gently rubbing it off but have
had no luck. How do you get algae off a piece of SPS coral? I don't have an
algae problem in particular and it seems that the Montipora is its attachment
point of interest.
<<I'm having trouble envisioning this Pete...algae won't "normally" overgrow the
healthy living tissue. Are you certain this coral is still alive? And not to
be funny but...are you certain this isn't a "green" Monti? I might be better
able to help if you can provide a sharp close-up photo (.jpg or .bmp format of
no more than a couple hundred KB in size) so I can see what you're dealing
with.>>
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Pete
<<Regards, EricR>>
Acropora IDs 8/6/05
Hi,
<Hello>
Can someone please help me identify the 2 Acropora species on the
attachment?
I received this picture from graf.com.
Thanks
Mohamed
<Not from this pic. Take a look at Veron's works and you'll understand
why. Bob Fenner> |
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Acro ID
ok, thanks...but in the mean time after looking at some old issues of
FAMA have determined that my Acro is more structurally similar to valida
rather gemmifera
<good luck on morphological second-guessing this genus... time for genetic
mapping/karyoptyping>
, which is a relief considering the lack of adaptability
you claim gemmifera exhibits in captivity <just an average...> ... there is NO sign of my polyps. the tissue is living and completely covering the skeleton and
even the hunk of rock that accompanied it, except the polyps structures
seem empty...hollow almost... the axial corallites are big and way out,
and haven't faded like the rest of the colony. I checked the tank every
hour all evening , and they were still recessed, even where the previous
dark color remains intact...hold on, going to check again...nope, still
no sign of any extension. and here its 9:00 PM. and during the course of
the day, the tissue darkened just a scoshe (scientific unit of visual
color/light spectrum reflected from living organisms under the
refractive/reflective qualities of water - ok, for lack of better
description of the amount of color change, I made that one up)<actually, taksan scant transliteration...
wakarimasuka nijongo?... of a Japanese diminutive>
...just had an epiphany...WHEN I succeed in having this Acropora thrive
grow and regain all its glorious color, I want to take genetically
identical frags in separate <ate> systems, and publish findings of experiments
with the function equations and pigmentation along with the most
efficient/appropriate filtration (adding other species along the
way)...oh the possibilities are pooling like phosphates! - maybe even
write a book. OR A COLLEGE THESIS! what stroke! Your input through
experience and further education would be greatly appreciated (any
suggestions on how to set up the experimentation systems, etc?)
Anyway, any help you could offer with the situation at hand would be
even more appreciated
thanks again, Chris
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<Wowzah, glad to... time for many rep.s and a trip or two to the S. Pacific... and much discussion of experimental models... just hold on in the meanwhile... we are stuck in the analog one-time through treadmill... as you know.
Bob Fenner>
Picture of unknown SPS coral
Sorry the picture isn't too clear. I'd like to identify the coral if possible. Any help would be appreciated.
<Looks like a species of Montipora, of the family Acroporidae... here's a link/URL to the part of our site with images of this genus: http://wetwebmedia.com/acropori.htm
Bob Fenner>
Thanks,
Todd
Unidentified Coral - Montipora SPS
Hi guys, not sure who'll be responding so I'll address in plural.
<and if necessary, I'll answer in stereo...>
I've been reading and appreciating your FAQs for a few months now (ever since I started my reef project about 3 months now) and was wondering if you might be able to help me identify this coral I saw at the LFS. The owner said it MIGHT be a type of Acropora but it doesn't match any of the photos I find to my satisfaction.
<close.... it is in the family (an Acroporid), but it appears to be a Montipora... likely M. digitata>
I was thinking maybe it was a type of Anacropora or even Montipora.
<bingo on the latter... and one of the hardiest SPS around. Very adaptable to a wide range of light and water flow. Like all SPS it needs very consistent calcium and alkalinity dosing though. Weekly testing, daily dosing as necessary to maintain in optimal health. Really a very hardy species though. Fast grower once established too. This specimen has seen better days but certainly can recover>
This specimen has some bleaching in its center that I think may be due to close proximity to a Euphyllia
parancora.
<oh, ya! That will do it>
My tank is 36x21x12 (roughly) I consider it a 40 tall? I don't know really. The tank was a hand-me-down. Currently I've got an All Glass Aquarium power compact fixture with two 55w 50/50 bulbs running on it about 14 hrs/day.
<very modest lighting... for success with corals these bulbs need to be fresh (less than 10 months old), close to the water (no more than 3" from surface) and corals need to be in top 10" of surface for optimal health here (long-term success). See here my friend: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marlgtganthony.htm >
My other animals are 1 yellow tailed blue damsel, one blue mandarin, one Fire Fish, one sand sifting star, one red serpent star, two
Mexican turbo snails, one feather duster worm, one reddish looking mushroom that rode in on some live rock, 3 small green stripped mushrooms, one Platygyra
sinensis (on the substrate), one Euphyllia Parancora (on the opposite side of the tank about midway up), and some yellow polyps. Any help would be appreciated about this
specimen
<hmmm... do consider a larger tank soon or at least a fishless refugium for the mandarin. The sand-sifting starfish also will not live to see 2 years old if even one in this smaller tank. Not enough sand surface area for deposit feeding on organic particulates.>
Thanks! Arthur
<with kind regards, Anthony>
Acropora Confusion
I have two small fragments of Acropora that I got from two different places.
The polyps of the two fragments are very different, so I was wondering if they
were both really Acropora.
<It is difficult to tell. Skeletal features may give clues as to the true
identity. Growth patterns are imprecise at best. There are many growth forms of
Acropora from branching, bushy, cluster, finger, etc.>
The first one I got has brown polyps that are about 1/4" in diameter. The
second one I got has green polyps that are barely visible. What's the
best way to determine which species I have?
<Impossible for me to do over the internet although photos would help. Get a
copy of Borneman's book "Aquarium corals: Selection, Husbandry, and Natural
History. This book contains lots of pictures and identifying characteristics. No
book will have every known form of a coral, but this book does contain
information on many commonly kept species of corals>
Is it possible that the brown polyps will change color with time (and the right
environment)?
<Your brown Acropora is likely from lower light level and lower water
movement. It is possible for an Acropora to modify its color (zooxanthellae) due
to the effects of lighting>
Thanks.
<You're welcome! David Dowless>
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