A gift from Maldives, Pic and Acro. Color diff. from top and
through glass 6/14/06
Dear Crew of WWM,
Thanks for all the advice you people have posted on the WWW. I'm a fan
of WWM and I have written a mail regarding my own Kalkwasser. With this
mail I would like to contribute to WWM Daily Pix.
<Thank you for this. Will post>
This is the end product of the Kalk I made using the squid shells. All
my corals are growing pretty strong and hard.
I'd like to ask you a question with this mail as well, i.e I still don't
understand the reason but what I notice is that when I lift the canopy I
could see my Acroporas bright green color which I don't see normally
when I look at them. I have no idea why this is happening. Urrm for your
info i have 3 actinic blue and 3 triton lights. Tank is 48"L x 18"H x
18"W and I am using natural sea water from the sea. Id appreciate if you
could let me know the reason why I don't see the real colors of my
corals, pls.
Thanks
Ahmed Giyas
<The principal color difference is a function of the angle of reflection
of the incident light (overhead) and your point/origin of view... to a
smaller degree the selective filtering of the viewing panel/material.
Bob Fenner> |
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M. digitata? And Care. 2/2/06
Howdy everyone,
<Hello.>
as previously mentioned this is a great website!
<Thank you.>
I've been reading a lot since my discovery of it and have learned a lot.
<Outstanding.>
Attached is a pic of a frag coral that I obtained from my LFS.
<Looks to be a Montipora, possibly M. Digita. Also looks to be going through or
went through some RTN.>
They were not sure of the type of coral so if you could point me to the family
or genus that would be cool.
<See above.>
Also it has a growth on it and a few tubes, I think they are some type of worm.
<Likely tube worms, usually nothing to worry about.>
Is this growth harmful or is it just part of the corals coloration or maybe a
sunburn?
<Are you referring to the tubes or the dark spots, either way see the above
comment(s).>
I have a 65 gal tank with two 10K, 175 MH's and the coral is placed halfway in
the tank.
<Lighting sounds great, provide lots of water flow an calcium, not to mention
low nutrient levels. If the RTN continues, consider fragmenting the unaffected
areas.>
Thanks for your response and your time!
<Anytime, Adam J.> <<Couldn't find file/image. RMF>>
Montipora Compatibility
Hi,
I've had a 50 gal w/75 lbs. LR going for about six months. Corals are two mushrooms, two polyps, pumping xenia, and a devil's hand and a toadstool mushroom leather. Everything seems perfect, water parameters are great. Lots of water movement, great skimmer, etc.
Question is, are Montipora digitata compatible with what I've got now?
Thanks for your advice.
>>>Greetings Brian,
I think you should be just fine. Keep in mind though that as things grow, you may run into some chemical warfare issues. You may have to watch that leather, but in the near future, I don't see any issues.
Jim<<<
Acropora reef tank
Lighting 3/10/05
Hello Anthony, It's me again! Sorry, for asking so many questions, but the advice is just sooo good! haha..
<no worries... my pleasure>
Ok... I've been checking up on different types of fluorescent tubes to use and I still can't find the kind you're talking about in VHO format.
<just ask the sales rep for a warm daylight colored lamp my friend. If they do not have one around 7K with a CRI rating over 90, then someone else will... do keep shopping :)>
I looked on the URI site and they have a "Aquasun" bulb, however, this is rated as a 10k bulb. Are you speaking of a different bulb all together? Anyways, I read a plug in CMA about Vita-Lite Bulbs made by Durotest. These bulbs sound killer as far as specs go... but they
don't offer them in VHO format.
<the company is gone... sadly>
Do you think if I ran their standard output bulbs on a digital ballast they'd put out enough light? Any suggestions would be great...Sorry to sound so redundant but I want to make sure I'm catching your drift. I mean lighting is pretty important...Wouldn't ya say?!?
<actually... corals are highly adaptable over a very wide range of lighting. Within reason, I'd put
lighting behind water flow and feeding for coral health and growth>
You said Acros need a lot of flow...but GEEEZ!! I didn't think you needed as much flow as
you're talking about. 30x turn over?...
<actually... for Acropora, many enthusiasts run towards 60X turnover (diffused). The shallow reefs covered in Acropora are very dynamic environments>
Well, that doesn't sound ludicrous at all, but in order for me to have that much flow I'd have to add an extra
Iwaki 30rlt on a closed loop. That'd be a 70rt and a 30rlt.....Phew that's a lot of flow in there.
Oh.. one thing I was thinking of is, if I were to do this extra pump would it be a good idea to have it on a timer to turn off during the night?
<it's a terrible idea, mate... most tanks simply don't have anything near enough flow like on a reef>
This pump would be on a closed loop so I could turn it off for about 6hrs in the middle of the night. This could simulate gentle nighttime currents?
<bull pucky>
My concern is that the pump would be garbage in short order with all that on/off hoopla...ooookk I do believe I'm done for today. Once again
thanks for the time and sound advice. Chris
<always welcome :) Anthony>
Acropora tank 3/8/05
Thank you for the response Anthony it has helped me out. Your answers, however, have spawned more questions (I'm sure all too often). Your advice on the Acroporas and Montis have
spurred me to go with strictly Acros.
<ah, good... I feel you will be much better in the long term for a more natural and compatible mix of corals>
With that said I'm going to run 8 VHOs instead of 7. I figure instead of buying an icecap 430 I'll get a 660 for extra 20
bucks.
<a good decision>
For lighting...What bulbs of 7k do you know of??
<URI daylights>
As far as I know URI makes the only decent VHO bulbs and they don't have a 7k spec bulb.
<Hmmm... do check again. I recall they have a 7100K or some such. Maybe their Chroma series. Just ask a rep. Its one of the cheapest and best bulbs for corals... the daylights in the 6500-7500K range>
What do you suggest. Either way my ratio is going to be 3 daylight to one actinic which should give me plenty of daylight.
<agreed>
In your reply you mention Acros like more water flow. The flow on this system will start with an
Iwaki 70rt. The tank has a trapezoid center overflow drilled with two 3/4" bulkheads on either side of the box. These two exits will be run off one SCWD. The next set of returns will be 2 3/4"
SeaSwirls on either side of the tank. Both of these will also be running on a SCWD. I think this should give me some pretty random turbulent flow with pretty strong current due to the large pump.
<try for at least 30X turnover>
Now the skimmer I've decided will be a 6-2...How would you set this skimmer up? Due to you're advice I'm going to pull some overflow water out of the overflow box through a 3/4" bulkhead.
<correct>
Any advice on how to regulate the water level in the overflow box so I can get a
consistent water level in the skimmer?
<it's a standing overflow... never changes. A dam or a bulkhead in the partition/wall>
Do remember there will also be a one inch drain going to the fuge area...I figure once the pump gets turned on and the water flow reaches a equilibrium throughout the system the water level in the overflow box would be pretty constant right?
<the skimmer overflow box/wall is to be higher than the sump proper>
In the sump there's gonna be an auto top off valve so changes to head pressure on the main pump will be minimized. I don't plan on adding any fish or corals to this system for at least 6months.
<this is very good!>
I want to get every kink worked out as well as get the refuge area super stable and let the micro fauna really get a hold. Along with letting the tank cycle this way I was planning on using only blue
spectrum lighting to keep algae down. Sally Joe at GARF mentions that using blue light encourages
coralline algae growth...Is this true?
<depends on the coralline species... they run the gamut>
Makes sense to me. I was also interested in using calcium gluconate to help encourage more growth. I figure the more
coralline I have the less nuisance algae I'll have.
<correct>
Ok well I have to cut this short a co-worker is breathing down my neck. Thanks a mill
Chris aka fishtank
<best regards, Anthony>
Coral feeding
I was reading through the site today and discovered the section on feeding corals. I looked on with stupidity because my LFS has always told me that they get everything they need from light.
<It was probably a mistake and it happens.>
I have to admit I am still not sure how to feed my corals. I bought some frozen
Mysis shrimp, but now what? I have never even seen sweeper tentacles. I have a frogspawn a torch, and a xenia, any suggestions as to how I should feed them (turkey baster
method, etc.) or what to feed them (zoo/phytoplankton) is greatly appreciated.
EY
<Hello, well you are on the right track from what I see. Knowledge is power. You should feed based on the needs of your corals. The frogspawn, and torch will probably take the
Mysis depending on size. The best time to feed them is at night using the
baster method. The xenia will take the phytoplankton. I want you to remember this. Although you should be feeding your corals, a big
beginner mistake is to over feed them when they first start. Start feeding little amounts and work your way from there. Good Luck. MikeB.>
Monti Feeding II
Hello Crew,<Hey,>
On the following response to a question that I asked I am a little confused. I have read on your site that Phytoplankton is not very useful with SPS corals.
<There are pro's and con's to using this product. Basically, there could be better food sources out there, such as
refugiums. But, in a bind DT's can get the job done if used correctly. Let me stress the word CORRECTLY.>
So I question the recommendation of DT's Phytoplankton. I have found BioLife's Coral Plankton and the SPS's seems to eat it (Polyps Expand), I am not sure about the particle size of
Cyclop-eeze and will also add the DT's if it is eaten. Otherwise, I look at it as algae food. I do like to feed as much of a variety as possible since I do not want to get into a refugium. Also this is becoming a SPS tank eventually (my favorite) however I do have BTA's with very happy Clowns and one
Galaxea, is this a
problem?
Thank you for all the help! Rich
<Rich, the BTA will be a problem eventually and so will the Galaxy coral. They will sting and bother the SPS corals. The problem with feeding food for the SPS corals is that people generally feed too much to the tank. This then causes a spike in water quality and
degradation of the corals. I would remove the BTA and the Galaxy coral to another tank if you want to keep the SPS corals long term. Also, use what ever phytoplankton you decide that works best in moderation. Good Luck.
MikeB.>
Monti Feeding III
Hello Mike,
Thanks for the reply. The way that I have been feeding my SPS's is to stop all pumps for an hour or so and target feed just enough food to cloud the general area around the coral. I do this twice a week. I think that this is minimal pollution and hopefully (?) enough nutrition for the coral. How does that sound to you? Thanks again for the advice!
Rich
<Rich, your method sounds fine. I wouldn't consider the food as pollution though. It will provide the
sustenance your corals and microfauna will need. Keep it up!!! MikeB.>
- Acropora Losing Color -
Hello,
When I got this Acro it was light brown with purple tips AWESOME! But I have noticed that
Its purple tips has been fading away in time. And now the coral It's just light brown. I'm running my 10 gall nano tank with 8 watts per gallon with power compacts. And my water quality is
perfect! My LFS said that for Acros I need metal high lights to keep those colors alive and bright is that true?
<Quite often yes... what is not always obvious to aquarists is where there coral came from, the light the coral is accustomed to. In the tropics where stony corals are
prevalent, the sun just bakes... is very, very intense; aquarium lighting is not even an approximate substitute. The browning of your
Acropora is typically indicative of inadequate lighting.>
I also have two awesome looking clams on the sand bed and they have not lost
their beautiful color with my power compacts, what could this be?
<Unless you've had these clams for several years, I would not use their color or current state as any judge of lighting intensity or even their health... clams can look excellent right up to the day before they die.>
I have my Acro as close to the light as possible and my calcium reads at 450 ppm. I even have a power sweep power head for some wave action. Is there anything else I can do to get those colors back?
<More intense light.>
I've just started DT'S live marine as well for my clams that I've had for 5 months and Kent marine Tech 1 Iodine for my other
corals.
<This is a lighting issue and not an additive one.>
Thanks for your time
<Cheers, J -- >
Lighting Acropora
Good Afternoon Mr. Scott
<Hello again!>
SORRY for so many questions but you give the best advice!!!
<Never apologize! Thanks for the undeserved compliment...We have a lot more talented people here on WWM than myself, but I'm happy that I've been able to help you!>
Color changing Acropora... I'm running a 10 gall nano reef tank with 24 hour Orbit lighting system with 8 watts per gallon. When I got a Tri-color Acropora from my L.F.S it was nice light brown with dark purple tips and yellow polyps...AWESOME!!!
<Sounds hot!>
But I have notice when my day lights come on the purple gets real light and the polyps retract. And when my day lights come off the purple gets really dark again and the polyps come out. Is this the norm? What could this be?
<Certainly a relatively normal behavior for a coral. Many corals will display day-night polyp retraction. Feeding occurs at night with many corals, and the colony is merely
exercising its natural "rhythm". This would be an opportune time to feed the coral..>
I have her on top of my live rock close to light as much as possible. Do you think is to close to the light? Should I move her down a bit? My L.F.S. said that is perfectly normal.
<I don't think that the reaction you are seeing is a negative one. It's irresponsible for me to generalize, but many Acropora do have very high lighting requirements. On the other hand, it is important to slowly acclimate a coral to its new lighting regime to avoid shocking the coral. Do see Anthony Calfo's excellent piece on acclimating corals for more.>
Thanks so much for your time.
<You're quite welcome! Regards, Scott F.>
Montipora Trouble
Hi gang,
Quick question (hopefully). I am on my third frag of a very hard to get but
popular purple Montipora frag. For some reason, I keep bleaching them. At first
I thought it was because I put them about 6" off the bottom immediately after
receiving them, and wasn't putting them low enough and letting them acclimate to
the light. However, when I received the third frag, I put it all the way on the
bottom of the tank, right on the sand. It still didn't help, as one corner
turned brown then bleached. However, the middle to left part of the frag is
still purple, but I fear the browning and then bleaching is spreading. I had it
on the bottom, somewhat under a rock for some shade. Panicking, I moved it up a
couple of inches several days after being on the bottom to try and save the
frag. What am I doing wrong?
My lighting is as follow: 2x250W 10K MH, with one 400W 13K bulb in the middle.
Then there are 2x96W PC actinics. I put the coral under the 250W MH, not the
400W.
This doesn't seem to happen with my Acro frags, which I've done okay with. It
only seems to happen with the Montipora frags. Any thoughts?
>>>Hi Brandon,
Doesn't sound like a lighting issue to me, but more of a current or water
quality issue. Check your parameters and make sure you have decent current where
you're placing this frag. Also, are you sure this frag was grown under lower
lighting? If not, check into this.
Cheers
Jim<<<
Too much Lighting?
Every time I buy a frag of a Montipora coral, they turn brown? Too much lighting? What would cause this strange phenomenon? Most are purple to start with.
<Several factors could be influencing this color change. High Nitrate levels, which act as a sort of fertilizer for brown zooxanthellae, could easily be the cause, as could old bulbs or low lighting. Hope this helps, mike G>
Water Movement For Acropora
Hello,
<Hi there! Scott F. here today!>
Do Acroporas do better with a direct flow of one power head or with 2 - 125gph Power Sweep power heads? I have a 10 gall nano reef tank with 1 Acro with plenty
of room for more! What do you guys think? Thanks for your time!
<Well, most of the Acropora that favor high flow will benefit from randomized, indirect flow. Laminar flow directly into a coral can literally peel the tissue right off of
the colony. Better to use those Power Sweep powerheads, or even some sort of rotating return device, like the wonderful Sea Swirls! HTH! Regards, Scott F.>
Rapid Acropora Death 2/8/05
I just purchased a frag of a gorgeous A. albrohensis. It shipped very well I'm assuming because even while acclimating it, all polyps were out and is still had a greenish hue to it. I acclimated it for an hour, turned the MH lights off in the tank (only 2x96W actinics)
running...
<All sounds good, although extended polyps are not a reliable source of "happiness" it can just as easily indicate stress.>
...and glued it down to a rock. Polyps still out.
<What kind of glue, and did the glue contact living tissue? It is unusual, but have seen cases where tissue recession, or even total loss was caused by contact with glue.>
Wake up this morning, and looks like a bone. No polyps anywhere, just skeleton. I quickly turned off the MH that was above it. Checked it several hours later, and maybe one polyp at base of coral.
<Two possibilities... first (and far less likely), the coral bleached. If this is the case, the coral will be colorless, but still covered in living tissue. Second, the coral died. If this is the case, you may see stringy or lacy remnants of tissue clinging to the skeleton. If you don't have
a lot of Acro experience, it may be a bit tough to tell the difference, but on a dead coral, you will be able to see the rough porous texture of the skeleton.>
Is this normal, and it might be fine tomorrow, or did I do something wrong?
<This isn't normal, but it doesn't sound like you did anything wrong. It could have been the stress of shipping, or it could be water quality in your tank.>
Tank is 125G, 2x250W 10K MH with one 400W MH in the middle with the actinic. Like I mentioned, turned off all lighting but actinic when I put it in the tank. No MHs until the following morning, but already looked bad before MHs came on.
<All sounds good. You wisely protected the coral from possible light shock.>
I recently read that peppermint shrimp might do this. I have a pair, but nothing in tank but tangs and clownfish. Any thoughts on if it will recover and adjust, or does it sound like it died?
<Peppermint shrimp will absolutely not do this. They may pick at some corals, but would only cause minor damage to an
Acro. My guess is that the coral died of what is
referred to as "RTN" (Rapid Tissue Necrosis) or "SDR" (Shut down reaction). In these cases, the coral tissue "self destructs" in response to stress. The stress can be caused by shipping, but is more often related to water quality problems, including the presence of other
aggressive corals. Infection has been implicated as well, but this is questionable. Please feel free to write back with a list of other corals in the tank and a list of all of your test results (actual values please!), please include pH, Alkalinity, Calcium, Salinity, temperature and nitrate. Also briefly describe your filtration. Best Regards. AdamC.>
Acropora fading in a tiny tank
Hello,
<Hi there>
I brought an Acro on Saturday and by Sunday some of It's purple color on its peeks are fading away. I have him in a 10 gall nano tank, water checks out fine and I'm running it on 8 watts per gallon.
Also I have great flow in the tank. What could this be? Could it be that it is acclimating to my tank?
<Not acclimating more like it... if the color, vitality is lost... it will not likely return>
I have him real close to the light on top of the rocks is it to close should I move him lower?
Thanks for your time!!!
<No, thank you for yours. Please study on WetWebMedia.com re small marine systems:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/index.htm
and the genus Acropora... Bob Fenner>
RTN?
Please take a look at the attached photo (sorry about the quality).
Tissue is sloughing off, I assume hermit crab is eating dead tissue and
is not the cause. < I would say that as well. > Perused many comments
regarding RTN on your site, is this what it looks like? This Acro has
been in the tank for 6 months without symptoms and several other Acros
look normal. About the only change recently is switch to Reef Crystal
from IO. Have not verified all parameters yet, what I do know is pH 8.2,
dKH 12, Ca 350, temp stable at 77-78*F. I guess my question is, if I do
find something amiss and slowly correct it, what are the prospects for a
full recovery? < Looks like a perfect example. Chance of recovery is
very very bad. I would immediately frag that coral. I used to advise
otherwise but every time I did the reefer would lose their coral. So
now, I say frag many many pieces away from the RTN area and just hope
the remaining mother colony makes it. Sorry I can't be more optimistic
but I wouldn't wait this one out. >
Regards, George.
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Monti Feeding
Hello Bob and Crew:
I was looking for your advice for target feeding my only SPS a Montipora
capricornis (my favorite). I lost a Hydnophora. I do not want to get into a
refugium so I have been direct feeding ESV's Phytoplanton and Daphnia. I have
been considering Cyclop-eeze, is that too big? I tried to find liquid life's
CoralPlankton but it's not anywhere (LFS) and I do not want to pay $25. for
overnight shipping. I would appreciate any suggestions, I love this coral and
want to do all I can (besides refugium).<Rich, I've heard a lot of good things
about Cyclop-eeze. I am using it at the present time, mainly for my
Percs, but
my soft coral sure seems to be looking better since I've been using this. Other
product that is good for this is DT's Phytoplankton. You might call around in
your area for this, otherwise you will have to order direct from DT. They tell
me if you keep it refrigerated it has a shelf life close to six months. Keep in
mind this is live phytoplankton. I don't think DT would charge you 25 bucks to
send it to you, just normal UPS charges unless you want it overnight. I
wouldn't worry about the Monti while waiting since corals do produce most of
their own food. James (Salty Dog>
Thanks for the help!
Rich
Feeding and nutrients for acros
Great site! Thanks for all the help. My questions are as follows: what
nutrients, other than calcium and bicarbonate, would you recommend for the
healthy
growth of acros? Secondly, what food would you feed your acros and at what
amount and time? Thirdly, is feeding essential? Again thanks for the great info.
Joey
<Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/corlfdgfaqs.htm
and
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acropt3.htm
and the Related FAQs (linked, in blue, at top). Bob Fenner>
Acropora turning brown
Bob: Love your site. <Adam here today. Thanks for the kind
words.>
My questions is as follows. I purchased some Acro's that had different colors.
My 125gal. nitrates and phosphates jumped over the recommended limits and the
acros turned brown. Now my tank is reading almost 0% phosphates and nitrates and
my acros are growing quite well and the tips are gaining color. I worked
diligently to get my nitrates and phosphates under control. My question is as
follows, will the brown part of the acros eventually turn to their original
colors or will they remain forever brown. Thanks, Joey
<Ahhh... an easy question! I don't know. There are many
variables that effect Acro coloration. Nutrients, alkalinity,
lighting intensity, lighting spectrum, iron, feeding, etc., and often it is
impossible to predict, let alone closely control all of these variables. In
many cases, wild Acroporas fail to retain or regain their wild coloration. This
is why those that do and do so under a variety of conditions are so prized.
Sorry for the "non-answer", but I hope it helps. AdamC.>
Acropora Color Change
Bob:
<Scott F. in today!>
I purchased some colorful Acroporas and placed them in my tank. In a couple of
weeks, they started to turn all brown. I have since got my phosphates to 0% and
my nitrates to under 5%. The acros are starting to grow with tips being
colorful. My question is will the entire Acropora return to its original color
now that I have my water quality under control?
Joey
<Great question, Joey. The prevailing wisdom is that the colors of coral are a
sort of natural "sunscreen", which the coral will manufacture as it needs them.
Under intense light and high water quality, it is certainly possible that the
colors will return to something approaching their original splendor. Phosphates
are well known to inhibit calcification and color in stony corals, so you were
right on in trying to get water quality in order. Interestingly, you will often
get different colors for the same species even under different lights. Good
luck! Regards, Scott F>
Nano Acroporas & clams
Good morning crew
<Alex>
Do you guys know If I can have Acroporas & clams in my 10 gall nano reef system
? I'm running It with 8 watts per gall with a Rio 600 pump. I know I should not
have a problem with light & flow, but my LFS told me it could not be done. Clams
yes Acroporas no. I know Acros are very aggressive so I should provide a lot of
distance from each other. What do you guys think?
Thank you for your time!
<Mmm, can be done... but not easily... by "clams" I take it you mean
Tridacnids... get too big... and Acroporas generally require high and consistent
water quality... difficult to achieve in such a small volume... though possible,
have seen done. Bob Fenner>