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FAQs on Carbon Filtration 2
Related FAQs: Carbon 1,
& FAQs on Carbon: Rationale/Use,
Types/Qualities/Selection,
Placement, Renewal,
Negative Reactions,
Sources/Brands, &
Marine
Chemical Filtrants,
Related Articles: Marine Chemical Filtrants, Zeolite
Filters: A Discussion of What Zeolites Are and How They Function by
Jens Kallmeyer,
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Bio Balls, Carbon - 6/25/08
Conflicting advice about bio balls and carbon
Lately I have received conflicting advice about the use of bio balls and
carbon in my reef tank. I was told that carbon filtration should only be done
periodically or it will remove all the essential elements necessary for good
coral growth.
<Mmm...not 'true' per se, but can remove certain desirable organic compounds,
salts>
I was also advised to replace the carbon in my Fluval filter with bio balls.
<I'm not a big fan of bio-balls, as they tend to get gunky. Fired ceramic?>
I have your site bookmarked and trust your advice.
So here is my setup:
46 gal hex with lots and lots of live rock (running 7 months)
Live sand about 1/2 to 1 inch deep
20,000 K metal halide
Sea Clone protein skimmer
<Is this removing good skimmate? If so, bravo...but I know a lot of people who
have trouble with these...poor design>
Fluval 304 (with ChemiPure, bioballs, filter pads)
All test parameters look good (added 2 fish and bioballs this week and nitrates
rose, but only to 20)
Fish: yellow tang, 6 line wrasse (new), royal gamma (new), blue green chromis,
yellow tail damsel, black and white striped damsel
<Note: A 46 gallon of any shape is far too small for a tang, much less a hex.
They need at least 5-6 feet of uninterrupted swimming space>
Corals: Hammer, 3 small Kenya trees, Ricordea (Sm), Inverts: 1 cleaner
shrimp, 1 banded shrimp, 2 serpent sea stars, lots of crabs and snails, 1 small
spike urchin My goal is to get coral going to add movement to the tank ( I have
water pumps running). So, what would you advise about bio balls and carbon
usage?
<Read around wetwebmedia.com re filter media>
Should I add chemicals to help the corals?
<With Scleractinians, Ca+, alkalinity supplements...water changes should handle
the rest, provided you do them regularly.>
Can I add macro algae to the tank for the tang and to look pretty?
<I wouldn't. It can really take over- and that tang just needs a bigger home,
period.>
I do not have a sump or refugium at this time. I have been doing 5-10 gallon
water changes weekly so far.
<Good. Keep them up!>
Thanks for all your help.
<No problem. Benjamin>
Chemi-Pure Sucks... I
Think????? – 04/01/08
I Recently put a bag of Chemi-Pure in my 46 gal bowfront tank thinking it
was gonna help.
<<Help what?>>
Not 24 hours later mushroom corals melting and flame angel is short on breath.
<<…?>>
Pretty sure he’s gonna die. Fungia is no longer extending tentacles and my
seahare doesn't look like it’s doing to good either. I guess the real question
is.. by me changing out regular carbon and adding Chemi-Pure, the amount
suggested by the bottle, I was wondering if the addition of too much carbon or
whatever Chemi-Pure has is what made this happen??????????
<<Not typically, no…especially if you followed the manufacturer’s instructions.
If indeed the Chemi-Pure is at fault here, it’s hard to say what may have caused
this reaction as you have provided no information re water chemistry/tank
conditions, before and after applying the Chemi-Pure. This is a good and well
thought of product, but do remove it and see if things improve. I suppose
there’s always the possibility of some type of contamination…though I suspect
there are other factors at play here. Regards, EricR>> <More likely
the Seahare itself is the cause of issues here. RMF>
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Carbon and reef tanks,
3/22/08
Hi guys, Ben here.
<Hello>
I went into the LFS today to restock on some carbon. Now when I purchased it the
LFS guy told me that I should never ever use carbon in a reef tank, as it will
strip all magnesium a calcium. And that I should only use bio chem Zorb as it
will not take away any trace elements.
<How much more expensive was the Bio-Chem Zorb?>
Now I've done lots of reading here about carbon use and I’ve been using it.
But can someone set me straight (he made me worried) is it ok to use a normal
good quality phosphate free carbon in a reef tank? I mean I bought the bio chem
Zorb. But can I still use a normal good quality carbon?
<Yes the carbon is fine, it could not possibly remove enough calcium and/or
magnesium to make a big difference.>
Please put my mind at ease.
Thanks so much for your time.
Ben
<Welcome>
<Chris>
Carbon and reef tanks, A
reader adds on 3/22/08
Hi there Crew,
<Hello>
Love the WWM website, try to read it every day. on 22/3/08 Ben asked about
carbon/"Bio Chem Zorb" in his reef. I have used both extensively
over the years so no worry there that I am aware of, but I'd like to point out
that "Bio Chem Zorb" is mostly small carbon beads with some
ion exchange media mixed in. Ben - your LFS guy is full of the proverbial!
<But I bet it has a nice mark-up over the plain old carbon.>
Cheers, MickT
PS just starting set up on my new 180 gal - may be back with some questions of
my own ;-)
<Good luck with the new tank and thanks for the comments.>
<Chris> Re:
Carbon Question 3/26/08
Just wanna thank Mick T. I just read what you said about the bio chem Zorb.
And yes it was double the price!
<Not surprising.>
And thanks Chris. I will go ahead and continue my use of carbon with out any
worries. Loving my reef tank!! After 7 years of breeding discus its a very cool
change!
Cheers guys. Ben
<Good luck>
<Chris> |
Carbon in filter -11/11/07
Dearest Crew, hope everyone is well.
<quite, thank you>
I have a Fluval 404 for a 40 gal. tank, and when replacing the carbon in the
filter I was wandering if it needs to be rinsed until the water runs clear, or
just rinsed for a minute or two to remove the dust as stated on the carton it
came in. Any idea?
<I believe the later plus a little more. It would take a whole lot of rinsing
(too much) to make it run completely clear.>
Thanks again guys
Amanda
<De nada,
Sara M.>
Activated Carbon and neuromast
destruction... Not 9/26/07
Dear Crew,
I always believe that carbon is not the culprit that causes hole-in-the-head but
many hobbyists out there still believe so. Pls. clarify.
<It's not>
Thks. in advance.
Regards.
Alan
<Please... read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/hllefaqs3.htm
and the linked files above...
the search tool, indices...
Bob Fenner...>
Cleaning Carbon
Hi Bob,
<Richard>
Maybe a silly question.....but do you have any tips on how to clean dusty carbon
before putting it in the sump? I have some Kent Reef Carbon I would like to use,
but always find that no matter how many times I dunk it in a container of RO/DI
water....the carbon releases black junk. I am afraid to use it since I do not
want the dust to enter my tank. I have put the Kent Reef Carbon on the shelf and
am using Aquarium Systems Black Diamond carbon. Less dusty.
Thanks
Rich Maurin
<Not silly, or... at least we're about the same silly... I rinse new, dusty
carbon (and other filter media) in either the "Dacron" bags it comes
in or I put it in, or just in a net (in the sink with running freshwater) ahead
of placing it. Bob Fenner>
Protein Skimming or Activated Carbon...Or Both?
Does carbon treatment and Protein Skimming do the same thing?
<Good question. They both do assist in removal of dissolved organic
compounds. However, carbon can also remove substances that discolor the water,
such as tannins, some dyes, etc. Protein skimming does a great job removing many
of the same substances, but uses the principle of electrostatic attraction to
"grab" dissolved organics and "stick" them to the surface of
bubbles. A good skimmer will remove a tremendous amount of materials from the
water, and, unlike carbon, a skimmer does not have a "useful life".
However, in order to do the best job possible, a skimmer needs to be cleaned
regularly (like weekly or more often). Ironically, the very "crud"
that a skimmer removes so well can accumulate and inhibit foaming! By keeping
your skimmer clean, you're assured that it will perform at its best at all
times. In the end, I think that a marine system should be run with
BOTH carbon and skimming. Hope this helps! Regards, Scott F.>
Carbon Causing HLLE?
Hi Crew, thanks for taking my question.
<Sure! Scott F. with you today!>
First let me give you a brief history of my situation.
I have a hippo tang that developed hole in head disease early on. It is stable
(some scaring around the head) and has been there for about a year and a half or
so. Anyway, he developed ich a little while back, I believe it was from a
wrasse that I added without quarantine.
<A lesson learned, huh?>
I put all my fish, 1 tang, 2 clowns and the wrasse in a 35 gallon plastic
container (quarantine) for 8 weeks while I let the tank run fishless to get rid
of the parasites. I decided to use the "siphoning bottom of tank
everyday" method to cure (no copper) and it worked great.
<Well done! Glad to hear that!>
Now to the point. During the eight weeks in quarantine, my hippo tang showed
tremendous improvement regarding the HLLE, the scarring around his head was
reduced by at least 50%. Problem is, I put him back in the display tank and all
the progress has reversed and the scaring went back to the way it was. There is
no way the water quality in the quarantine tank was better than the display. I
was using tap water, a power head, a heater and a sponge filter. The display
tank gets RO + DI water, 20% bi weekly water changes, live rock, live
sand, better diet, steady temp, etc. So I figured it was the lack of carbon use
that helped reverse HLLE. I did not use Carbon at all in the quarantine and run
it constantly in my display tank. So I want to experiment and stop using Carbon
in my display tank.
<Well, that could be one possibility...I'm quite skeptical, because use of
carbon far outweighs any possible ill effects that could happen, IMO. Yes, some
people claim that carbon depletes trace elements, but if you are conducting
regular water changes, this argument doesn't hold up, IMO. Anecdotally, you
could proceed under the hypothesis that carbon contributed to the HLLE
condition, but I don't know how it will work out. An interesting experiment,
however. I commend you for trying! Do consider other possibilities, such as
"stray voltage" in the display tank, or other possible environmental
factors, too...Test for all of the basic parameters, and then some!>
Will this effect my Coral in anyway? I have a Bubble, Torch, Candy Cane, Various
Polyps and Xenia.
<Well, activated carbon helps remove all sorts of allelopathic compounds that
are released by corals on a regular basis. You might see some differences in the
health of these animals if you discontinue its use in this tank.>
Should I increase my water changes, or is it not necessary?
<I'd consider more frequent water changes to help compensate>
Will the protein skimmer pick up the slack? I use a Aqua-C Remora.
<Aggressive protein skimming will definitely help, too.>
Thanks for you input. Ang.
<My pleasure, Ang. Do test your theory, but also look at other possible
factors along the way...I'm sure that you'll have some interesting results to
report! Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
Point-Counterpoint...
Thanks for your time on this.
<Our pleasure- we love this stuff! Scott F. here today>
I have been doing a lot of research on marine aquariums (books and internet
searches) and what I am finding is that there are a number of diametrically
opposed views about the aquarium.
<Different views? On marine aquarium keeping? Really? LOL>
I have read enough articles on WetWebMedia to know what you believe and I would
like your opinions on some of these differing thoughts.
<Sure- I'd be happy to!>
1) It is a universally accepted principle that aggressive protein skimming is a
must (1 cup a day) for nutrient and allelopathy export. In addition,
to successfully grow corals, micro-organisms such as zooplankton, phytoplankton,
etc., (whether grown in a refugium, a reactor and/or green water additives) is
also a must. However, protein skimming removes these micro-organisms
from the system and there some thought that protein skimming is as harmful as
helpful. The no-protein skimmer belief rests upon
refugium/Caulerpa/seagrass and/or clams as a more natural mechanism. Plus,
there are less impellors killing the organisms (including powerheads).
<Well, I am of the opinion that a well-tuned protein skimmer is absolutely
essential for long term success in closed marine systems. I have heard from a
number of people who yanked their skimmers-some have been successful for a
while- many have gone back to skimmers. I like to think of the long-term with
reef tank maintenance. Skimmers remove many noxious compounds and dissolved
organics before they have a chance to degrade water quality. I have yet to see a
very successful reef system that has been maintained for years without skimming.
I do not consider one or two years a success...The bottom line on
skimmer use, in my opinion, is that if you are going to omit skimming, then you
need to compensate somewhere- either with a much lower bioload, very aggressive
water change schedule, alternative "filtration" techniques (like Steve
Tyree's Sponge/Sea Squirt Cryptic Zone concept, etc.). It is a trade off, and
one that I do not feel is worth it. As far as the impellers in pumps destroying
valuable plankton is concerned- I have heard a lot of thoughts on this, and,
quite frankly, I feel that the threat-although legitimate, is highly overstated.
Most reef systems simply don't grow and support large enough populations of
plankton for this to be a legitimate concern, IMO. Even with productive refugia
and other supplemental systems, I just don't think that the impact is there>
2) To remove allelopathic compounds from the system, weekly carbon changes are
suggested. However carbon also leaches vital trace elements out of
the system. Once again, harmful and helpful.
<I am a firm believer in the continuous use of small amounts (like 2-4 ounces
per 100 gallons of tank capacity) of high quality activated carbon. Good grades
of carbon, such as those offered by Seachem (my personal favorite), Two Little
Fishies, or ESV do not leach phosphates into the system. Yes, carbon can remove
small quantities of trace elements from the system. However, if you are
following one of my other favorite practices in marine husbandry, frequent small
water changes- you will be replacing trace elements on a regular basis. In fact,
you will probably not experience a deficiency in trace elements if you practice
these water changes>
3) Another universally accepted principle is weekly water changes. When
you have a 55 gallon tank, a 10% water swap is no big deal. When you
have a 125 with a 30 gallon refugium and 10 gallon sump, it is a much greater
effort, requiring a large garbage can sitting in the living room overnight to
allow
the salt to fully aerate and mix before doing the swap. Plus the swap
tends to be somewhat stressful on the fish. I am planning on buying a
300 gallon at the end of the year and turning the 125 into a large DSB/Live Rock
sump. A 10% water swap on 425 gallons will be a huge effort!
<As a fanatic about regular small water changes, I can tell you that the
process is simply not that difficult. One of my systems has about 200 gallons
total capacity. I change 5% of the water twice a week. This amounts to 2 10
gallon water changes, which I perform on Wednesday morning before work, and on
Sunday mornings (unless the surf is good- in which case it's usually Sunday
afternoon!). I will generally mix up the saltwater in a Rubbermaid container
about 24-48 hours before, and then perform the change. I also perform minor
maintenance tasks, such as a little extra algae scraping (if needed), coral
pruning, etc. on Wednesday. This will take about 20-30 minutes to perform. On
Sunday, I take a little more leisurely pace, and will clean the skimmer, replace
carbon or Polyfilters if needed, change micron socks, or any other little things
that have to be done. Maybe it takes about 45 minutes to an hour of pleasant
labor. I have always done the additions of new water "manually", by
pouring it into the tank from a pitcher. If I really wanted to do it quicker,
I'd hook up a Maxijet 1200 powerhead to some 5/8 ID tubing, and "pump
in" the replacement saltwater...it's a lot quicker. Frequent small water
changes need not be a chore. Rather, look at them as an opportunity to regularly
assess the situation in your tank. Anyone who maintains their own garden can
relate to the labor involved. It is part of the "price of admission",
IMO, and is simply not that difficult. And, when you see the difference in your
animals, you'll realize that it's all worth it!>
Lastly, I have and read about many a aquarist who has been very successful for
years with minimal swaps, minimal effort by maintaining proper trace
elements/calcium/alkalinity.
<I have to quote Anthony on this: "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut
sometimes!". It's just not something that you'd want to do. We are talking
about living creatures here- which require us to provide the highest level of
care. Closed systems are just that- closed, and unlike the ocean, do not afford
the animals a constant influx of clean water. To those hobbyists who think that
water changes are not required, I respond, "You wouldn't let your dog live
in the same room for 5 years without cleaning out the waste, would you? Don't do
it with your fish!">
4) Bio-wheels and Bio-balls are sold in virtually all LFS and internet dealers. They
add a tremendous amount of stability to the system but also contribute nitrates
because there is no anaerobic area for denitrification. Once again, stability
vs. water quality, harmful and helpful.
<These media are, in essence- "victims of their own success": They
are so good at removing nitrites and ammonia, that they cannot provide a
bacterial population to keep up with accumulating nitrate. Yep- it is a
tradeoff. Frankly- I like to keep things simple, and use a more natural
approach: Let the live rock and sand do your filtering, along with use of
macroalgae in refugia, and protein skimming, water changes, and regular use of
carbon and/or PolyFilter media.>
5) Allelopathy is another subject, not discussed at LFS trying to make a sale. Some
people claim that pictures of beautiful coral displays that are all over the
internet will be very different a year from now because of allelopathy and
others claim success for years in spite of pictures showing many corals side by
side, touching each other. Another subject in dispute. I have
purchased very aggressive corals (not knowing better at the time). I
have multiple leathers, Ricordea mushrooms, 5" genitor, frogspawn, colt and
bubble corals. Is this a toxic soup, a ticking time bomb, or as
others claim, no big deal.
<Well, I would not call it a ticking time bomb, but it is not an ideal
situation. This is an aggregation of animals that are rarely, if ever found in
close proximity to each other on natural reefs, so there will be a certain
amount of allelopathy. However, these animals can be maintained together in a
certain "stand off" with use of aggressive nutrient export mechanisms
(the aforementioned skimming, water changes, and use of chemical filtration
media). It's much more ideal to develop a stocking plan that utilizes animals
that live together in nature. However, as we often state, this is a closed
system that we're talking about. It can be done-and done with some possible
success, but it is not ideal. I have seen many successful "garden"
reef systems over the years, so I can't say that it's not possible to do this.
just not recommended!>
As I plan for a big expansion of my system, these are the thoughts that come to
mind. Natural (refugium/Caulerpa/seagrass and/or clams) vs.
mechanical (protein skimming). I currently have both. Is
chemical filtration needed?
<I believe that a "natural" approach, with a few technical props
(skimming and chemical media) is the best approach for most systems>
Are water swaps absolutely mandatory, which would dampen my enthusiasm for a
larger tank. Would removing some of the aggressive corals reduce the
allelopathy problems or would the bigger tank mitigate them?
<Yes, removing some of the aggressive corals could help, as would reducing
the proximity between corals. However, it is still important to change water. I
would have to say that it's mandatory! Please understand that it just is not
that daunting a task...Small amounts often is not that difficult!>
Long email. Apologies. Thanks for the time.
<My pleasure! These were some excellent, thought-provoking questions that
have stimulated many a late-night fish nerd conversation at a MACNA conference!
I hope that you will be in this year's MACNA in Louisville so that we can
discuss these things in more detail! Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
- Carbon removing trace elements... -
I have heard that if you use activated carbon in a filter, that it will
remove trace elements. True or false??
<True and false, it removes some trace elements, most notably iodine, but
leaves plenty as well.>
I use a Eheim Professional 2 canister filter, which uses a charcoal filter pad
in it. Would this be removing the trace elements I'm adding twice a
week??
<Depends on what you're adding. I would only run carbon once a month for 3-4
days or when you notice any tinge of yellow in the water (best seen in a clean
white bucket). Have fun! -Kevin>
Pat
Auburn, NY
Yellow tang... err... tank problem.
Dear WWM Crew, Thanx for the quick replies to my previous queries!
Anyway, I have 2 more questions... First one is on Carbon Usage:
Here's some background on my 90g: 3 x 2 x 2, with Trickle Wet Dry and Miracle
Mud in sump with Caulerpa... so far not many problems, but my water is SERIOUSLY
yellow, and worried that my water might have a Huge amount of dissolved
organics. Ammonia and Nitrite are both zero. <I'm a huge fan of using protein
skimmers on all tanks, regardless of the refugiums or mud filters employed.>
I was wondering if using Carbon is alright for my system because...
1. I hear that carbon absorbs trace elements and other useful stuff. If I use
Miracle Mud, which is supposed to leach out these useful compounds, wouldn't it
be really silly to add carbon to absorb them? <I wouldn't worry about it,
it's a much bigger problem for photosynthetic organisms in the tank because the
yellowness filters out much of the available light.>
2. Would my Caulerpa crash if there is a sudden drop in Iodine/ other Elements
if I use the carbon? <Caulerpa can crash at the drop of a hat, that's why I
don't grow or recommend it. If the water parameters change drastically, that can
spur a crash, hopefully the carbon won't.>
3. I have a couple of inverts in my tank... Shrooms, Star Polyps, Palythoa,
Torch... they've been doing pretty okay for the past 2-3 months without any
supplemental feedings and under low light - 2 x 36W PL 50/50. I was beginning to
believe that these corals are feeding on the organics in the water... Question
is, will this sudden removal of organics be detrimental to my corals? <No
way, get that yellowness out of there, the little light that they are receiving
is being filtered out by it.>
4. My fishes are doing alright... is there any possibility that a sudden change
in water conditions can lead to their demise?
<Nope!>
Second Question:
I currently have a Pyjama Cardinal, Lemonpeel Angel, Flame Angel, Bartlett's
Anthias
<My FAVORITE Anthias!>
Lyretail Hog, Regal Tang, Red Sea 4 Line in my tank. I was hoping to
add 2-3 more fish. So far I would like to get the Royal Gramma... Any
recommendations of other fishes which are 'compatible' with my fishes above and
some Shrooms, Polyps and LPS? <The royal Gramma should work out, I'd suggest
a pair of tank raised neon gobies as well, read all about them in Bob's
articles!> Would love a Desjardinii <Would outgrow your tank faster than
Caulerpa can crash!> but its never available in my country (Singapore).
Thanx for the Help! <Good luck!>
PS: Just a bit worried on the matter of carbon because I don't want another
system crash... already had 1 minor and 1 major crash... a year ago <Ew,
that's no fun, throw in some carbon and let's get this thing clear! -Kevin>
Use of carbon in reef tanks - 4/17/03
Thanks very much, Paul. <You are very welcome.> Would you mind
elaborating on the use of carbon most of the time? <Well it is very well
documented on various reef sites, a great many books, as well as here on
WetWebMedia, but here is my take on it. I advocate the use of carbon in small
CORAL reef tanks. (Yes, that is emphasis on corals.) For one main reason -
allelopathy (http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/courses/en570/papers_1998/lindberg.htm)
- the ability for corals to use noxious chemicals (or the use tentacle
aggression which I don't believe applies to the use of carbon and only slightly
in the term allelopathy) as defense mechanism against encroaching corals or
other predators. The allelochemicals produced seem to inhibit the growth and
development of other corals in the surrounding area. Not necessarily the only
use of noxious chemicals and sweeper tentacles but one that does frequently
occur in reef tanks. (some other uses are still unknown)> I'm usually an
advocate for not using carbon except when all else fails. What about depletion
of major and minor trace elements when using carbon? <Not likely an issue
here. Please read this link as it sums it up best (especially the last quarter
or so.) http://www.wetwebmedia.com/chemFiltrMar.htm.
There are some faq links if you want to see what others are doing or if similar
concerns are being raised but overall, I believe with regular water changes, and
the continuation of your additive schedule you will not have a problem.
Basically, I would use it for maybe two weeks on and two weeks off as this is a
nice middle ground to work with. Thanks for the inquiry.>
-Chris.
The color of water
I have a nano reef at my office and the water always seems very yellow
within a few days of a water change. What could cause that?
Ana M. Saavedra
<Likely an accumulation of "organics"... easy to do in small
volumes. I encourage you to get in the habit of using a small (a few ounces) or
activated carbon in your filter flow path (you can buy a small re-useable Dacron
filter bag for changing out) and regularly (weekly, biweekly...) changing this
with other routine work on the tank. Bob Fenner>
Water flow and carbon use 3/11/03
Dear Anthony: Thanks for the prompt reply.
<Always, welcome>
The powerhead (211 GPH) is approx. 1.0' & at a 45 degree angle from the
gorgonian.
Water params:
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0-5ppm NO3, 0-5ppm NO4, 0ppm NH4, 8.2 - 8.4 PH, 78-80 F TEMP., 4.0 meq ALK,1.025
SPG, 380ppm CA.
NO ACTIVATED CARBON.
WATER CHANGES: 15% WEEKLY.
LIGHT: 2X 55W PC (1 x 10,000K actinic, 1 x 7700K white)
<With only 15% water changes weekly, you really need to use carbon regularly
to have any chance at maintaining water clarity for optimal light penetration.
You might consider an additional power head to oppose the first one to create
random turbulent water flow... laminar is harmful or at least not helpful to
most corals. All else looks very fine to me :) Anthony >
Questions on carbon
Good Day Guru's,
What is your expert opinion on Carbon ??
<Useful... as a chemical filtrant>
I've heard various rules of thumb regarding the use of carbon. I've
used in the past Chemi-pure (which I think is the best) and I've used Black
Diamond activated carbon.
<Both good products>
I do see the differences in my water clarity using carbon. I have a
140 gal. F/O acrylic tank w/Wet-dry bio and hang-on Protein
skimmer. I usually drop the carbon on top of the pre-filter sponge
before hitting the protein skimmer.
<Mmm, best to place the carbon about last in your filter flow-path... or at
least between a "sandwich" of mechanical filter media>
Does activated carbon remove needed bio-media ??
<No>
Does Chemi-pure do a more suitable job and last longer ???
<I think so>
What do you use ???
<Don't currently use either, but have used both. Please see here re: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/chemFiltrMar.htm
and the related Carbon FAQs (linked, in blue at top). Bob Fenner>
Any enlightenment is appreciated.
Thanks in advance Crew !!
Lenny
Reef Husbandry 2/10/03
Anthony- In your reply below you mentioned :
"<are you using carbon weekly or at least a large portion monthly? Are
your nitrates under 10ppm? etc & your coral are brown likely because they
are over fertilized (phosphate and/or nitrate)... Or... they have shed UV
reflective proteins because they are not getting enough UV (yellow water, poor
skimming, dusty lenses or lamps, old bulbs, etc). There are other possibilities
but these are most common. Anthony>"
I use carbon one day a week,
<there are many theories about how best to apply carbon, but I feel a small
amount used continuously is best. Intermittently allows yellowing agents and
noxious compounds to ride a roller coaster of "existence" in aquaria
with the carbon or/carbon off cycles. Not the least of which are sudden and
stressful increases in water clarity which can cause light shock to corals>
My bulbs are only three month old & I clean the bulbs once a week, I get
good skimming( half a cup a day).
<both excellent!>
My levels for phosphates are .03 ppm's and nitrates are 20 ppm's .
<yikes... not a crime... but starting to climb>
The book that comes with the test kit (Dry Tab Master Test kit) says anything up
to 40ppms is fine- Sounds like you are saying that this is too high?
<depends on species... and keep in mind that the recommendations are
misleading. My recommendation was for 10 ppm of actual nitrate (ionic). Nitrate
as read on your test kit is nitrate-nitrogen. Your "actual" nitrate
level in the aquarium (ionic nitrogen) is a multiple of 4.4 times the test kit
reading. So 10ppm nitrogen (test kit readings) is the same as 44ppm ionic
nitrate. So if you are registering 20ppm "nitrate" on your test kit,
your actual ionic concentration is 100ppm! That is high nitrate for most any
invertebrate. It is also fertilizer for all kinds of algae including the brown
zooxanthellae in your coral tissue.>
Should I be using a Nitrate Sponge and how often?
<not at all... I don't believe they work well or are a good value even when
they do. Simply control your organics. Skim more aggressively, do bigger water
changes, use more carbon, refine feeding techniques (never put thawed pack juice
from frozen food into the aquarium), etc>
Could you also explain yellow water- When I do water changes one a week(8
gallons), I do the water changes into a white 5 gallon bucket and the water does
seem a little yellowish but I always
thought that was because I just razored the algae off the glass right before I
siphoned the water out of the tank.
<it really sounds like a simple matter of excess organics... not algae
scraping (as evidenced by the high phosphate and nitrate levels)>
Please let me know. - Ron
<best regards, Anthony>
Even the Italians do it :) 2/6/03
Normally I bother Calfo, now I try this address!
<I'm over here too, my friend. Buon giorno from America>
What You suggest for Activated Carbon in a SPS tank... continuous
use? 2 days-month use? And for quantity?
<yes, my friend.. continuous use in small portions changed weekly for full
reef tanks, especially. Perhaps 3-5 ounces per 400l weekly... just an estimate,
though. Let the color of the water (yellowing agents) be your guide >
Thanks MUCH! Marco, Italy
<Ciao m'amico, Anthony>
Using carbon
Crew,
Thanks for your response, I will try these suggestions, just one
quick
question? I would like to run charcoal <carbon> in my aquarium
one week a month or
so, what is a good external power filter to use for a 55 gallon 90 lbs live
rock? I do not care bout mechanical purpose, just a cheap easy way of
adding carbon.<Since you are just looking for carbon, get a media bag,
available at most LFS and follow the instructions on the carbon container for
amounts. Don> Thanks
Fungia and carbon question
hey crew, hope all is well with you guys.
<Howdy!>
I have a Fungia coral, it is on the bottom of my 90 gal. reef tank,
the other day it was going through these contractions and expelling a reddish,
brownish stuff. Tried to take pictures , we'll see if they turn
out.
<awesome... please do share them with us>
Anywho... I'm hopping it was either digested food or going through reproduction
and not expelling its zooxanthellae.
<easy to tell... digestion is most likely if you have been feeding this very
hungry coral 3-5 times weekly or better. Else, little or no food on the bottom
of a 24" tank is not a good situation for this weakly zooxanthellate coral.
By some estimates, about 30% of its diet cannot be met daily by even the best
lighting>
My water quality is great and all others are doing well. The
Fungia is doing well also--looks great, its eating minced seafood and swells up
at night and moves around a little bit, so I would venture to say what ever it
was doing was not a bad thing.
<agreed... all sounds good>
Maybe an opinion of yours would be great.
<OK... I think the Pittsburgh Steelers had a fine season all told and they
played hard and nobly this past weekend. Kudos to the coach, Tommy Maddox and my
favorite- Heinz Ward... Hard working athletes <G>>
Also for my 90 gal. reef I'm wondering how much carbon per gallon
should I have placed in my sump and how much should I change weekly. thanks
a bunch as always gentlemen.....
I would use 2-4 ounces of carbon weekly to start with. See if that is enough to
keep all discolorants out of the water (look for yellow in a glass of aquarium
water against bright white paper). Add more if necessary. Best regards,
Anthony>
Re: carbon particles
Happy New Year Crew !!
<And to you>
I just replaced my carbon bags down below my tank
and apparently I didn't rinse the carbon enough. This
morning I noticed little carbon particles on my coral
and Tank decor. (Fish only tank)
Is this anything I should be worried about ??
Looking forward to another insightful year from the
crew,
<Not too much actual trouble, but unsightly. I encourage you to either give
the bags a rinse (in the sink) ahead of use to discount, remove much of the fine
material, and/or place some "filter wool" (Dacron) on both sides of
the bag in your filter flow path. Bob Fenner>
Lenny
Use of Carbon II
Thanks for the information. I was changing every 3 weeks when I make my water
changes. Is this too long?
<For me, yes.>
I understood that it lasted about a month?
<Likely far less than that. If you want, you could rotate the carbon.
Estimate how much you need for your tank and then break that up into four
separate bags. Then replace one bag every week. That way there is always some
fresh carbon in there and more consistent removal. -Steven Pro>
Use of Carbon
I have a 180 gallon reef tank with a 55 gallon refugium and a 30 gallon sump
that has a wet/dry and a protein skimmer in it. I have a canister filter on the
refugium with Kent reef carbon in it. My question to you is should the carbon be
left on 24/7 or just a couple of days a month?
<I prefer to use all the time and change if often, using small amounts and
changing weekly.>
Reading your website FAQ it seems that depending on who is giving the answer it
varies. I am looking for clarification since I have heard that running carbon
24/7 will remove the essential elements (KENT Brand) that I am adding weekly.
<Carbon, like protein skimming, will remove far more bad than good. I feel
the benefits far outweigh any potential downsides.>
Thanks for your response, Mike Winston
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
Re: Deep sand bed
Dear Anthony, Thanks for your advice again.
I just came across articles about the combination of tribased pelletized carbon
and "right now" bacteria as a fast means for denitrification. What's
experience or views about this?
<the industry has seen many such products with miracle claims for more than
20 years... one hasn't panned out yet. The very nature of denitrification in an
anoxic environment cannot be bottled, liquefied or pelletized. I'd be very
surprised if they work if this is their claim. Quite frankly... DSB is so
simple, effective and proven (not to mention inexpensive!) I have no desire to
pursue another method currently. DSB is my strong advice for denitrification>
Regards TFChow
<best regards, Anthony>
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