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FAQs on Marine Environmental Disease/Losses
12 Related Articles:
Environmental Disease, Establishing
Nutrient Cycling, Marine
Water Quality,
Maintenance, Related FAQs:
Marine Environmental Disease 1,
Marine Env. Disease 2, Marine Env.
Disease 3, Marine Env. Disease 4,
Marine Env. Disease 5,
Marine Env. Disease 6, Marine Env.
Disease 7, Marine Env. Disease 8,
Marine Env. Disease 9,
Marine Env. Disease 10,
Marine Env. Disease 11,
Marine Env. Disease 13, & FAQs on Environmental Disease By
Cause/Types: Environmental Deficiencies,
Oxygen/Gas Problems, Poisoning,
Mis-stocking: Psychological Challenges,
(Aggressive
Behavior, Territoriality, ),
Physiological Challenges (e.g. Metabolites, Allelopathy, Stinging),
& Troubleshooting/Fixing, | 
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My Yellow Tang, hlth., env. 10/3/08
Hi! Ted K Here Thank everything that's wet your site exists. The
problem is my wife think I read to much now. LOL I have been
reading so many FAQs, and have come close to finding a description
of the problem. I still haven't found the answer??? My tank is
110g tall 120lbs of LR, w/ inverts and fish. Water parameters are
all good and have been for a year or so. I have a Yellow Tang that
has been in the tank from the beginning and in the last few weeks he
has been breathing very rapidly. His mouth looks like its stuck open
he stopped eating and there are little red soars around his entire
mouth. <I see this in your excellent photo> The soars resemble
little red lines. I have attached a pic. If you need more info
please reply. I hope you can help!!! Thanks in advance Ted
<The reddening is termed "septicemia"... "dirty blood"... evidence
of something/s not right water quality wise in this system...
Perhaps other life poisoning this fish, maybe simply metabolite
accumulation. I would be testing your water, changing a good deal of
it, cleaning up your skimmer... Perhaps looking into long-term ways
of making the system more stable, optimized. Please peruse WWM re:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marsetupindex2.htm Bob Fenner> |  |
New Tank Problems... env., iatrogenic... 9/8/08 Hi my
name is Curtis. I set up a 95 gallon salt water tank a month and a half
ago. I have 2 Magnum 350 canister filters on it with a strong Corallife
protein skimmer (hang on version). I started the tank up with 90
pounds of live rock and a good 2-3 inches of live sand. <I would
increase this to 4-5” for a true DSB.> After the first week I had
good water conditions. I put a few damsel fish in and shortly after a
Harlequin Tusk and Niger trigger. They seemed to be doing great. One
week later I added a spotted Foxface rabbit fish. <You need a larger
system for all of these.> Again things seemed ok. I then purchased a
Passer angel. The angel did ok for a few days and then developed ich. It
soon died a few days later. <This needs a larger, well established
system. Even on its own.> I removed the angel and waited a about a
week. I then came across a good sized Emperor angel and a large Majestic
angel. <Ditto on the above.> After putting them into my tank a
few days later the Tuskfish seemed very weak. The water tested high
nitrite and ammonia levels around 1.5. <Deadly.> It was all down
hill from there. The Tuskfish was the first to die. The angels got bad
white spot and died. I removed the Niger before this happened because it
was a bully. I am left with only the Foxface and 1 damsel. The ammonia
is still a .25 or a little less and finally today nitrite is close to 0.
<Anything above 0 on these is too high.> Nitrate is 20 range. The
Foxface still seems to breathing fast and a clear discharge is coming
off of its body from time to time. <This fish needs to be moved to a
more suitable, stable system; even a quarantine tank until you can get
the system stable. Do take care moving it, these fish do have venomous
spines. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/rabbitfi.htm.> Was this too much
too fast and what can I do to get back on track? <Yes too much period
and much too fast. You really need to take a step back and read about
what is going on. Read up on cycling, quarantine and please do carefully
research future additions regarding compatibility with your system and
each other.> Thanks Curtis <Welcome, Scott V.> New
Tank Problems 9/8/08 9/9/08 Thanks Scott, <Welcome, happy
to help.> Everyone at the fish stores where telling me not to do any
water changes because my water had not cycled yet. <If it is not
cycled, why add so many (large) fish? Are you utilizing any live rock,
if so, water changes are in order.> I could not understand why I had
nitrate levels within the first week if my water had not yet had cycled.
<Some ammonia has made the cycle, not all of it. The sign of the cycle
being complete is 0 ammonia (even wait a week past this), not showing
some nitrate.> Thanks for the help. I have had tanks for 20 years and
never have had problems like this. I want to have the best possible
water conditions and environment for my fish. Most of my tanks have been
reef tanks. They seem to be easy after a while. I believe that a once a
week water change always keep thing pretty good. <It does.> I
just did not know when to do the first water change during this big
nightmare. <Start now!> Curtis <Scott V.> Re: New
Tank Problems 9/9/08 Thanks, <Welcome.> Should I do a
water change? <Yes, likely a series of them.> Nitrite is 0 but
ammonia is still .25 and nitrate is 20. My ph is 8.2. The tank has been
going for about 7 weeks now. Also is my 2 magnum filters not strong
enough? Do I need to increase my filtration? <The filters will be
enough with an appropriately stocked tank; this is a stocking issue, not
an equipment issue. Do read up on Cryptocaryoniasis, Ich.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ichartmar.htm You really need to step back,
let this tank run fallow for a while and research what you can and can’t
keep, within your system and with each other. Use the tools of WWM,
other sites and books that are out there. It will make all the
difference. Scott V.>
Porcupine Puffer Help... actually, just reading re mis-stocking, maint.
of FO sys. 7/4/08 Ok, will start with my set-up. 65
Gallon, <A Diodontid needs more room than this> have a CPR BakPak
and Red Sea Prizm Skimmers. Filstar Canister Filter rated to 75
Gallons, currently filled with live rock as the media. 2 Powerheads.
Have 60-70 Pounds of Live rock and about 50 pounds of live sand. System
has been running for about 6 months with 2 Volitans lionfish. <These
also...> I had my water tested before adding my little porcupine and
it read 7.9 pH, <Too low...> 10 Nitrate, 0.2 Nitrite, and 0.2
ammonia, <... both deadly toxic> Salinity was 1.018. <Too
low...> The puffer is only about 4" right now. I am planning on
getting a bigger tank, probably 125 within 6-8 months. <Too late>
So I figured water was at good quality before adding my puffer, and I
had time before getting my bigger tank for him to grow a little. I have
had my porcupine for about a week now. The first 4-5 days he was fine
and healthy just swimming about the tank checking things out. The sixth
day was when he finally ate something, just a couple of krill. Couldn't
get him to accept the silversides. On day 7 I woke up to the blue in his
eyes gone, they are also larger than normal and slightly hazy, he also
had a film coming off his spikes and around his eyes. <Good
observations> He was swimming around bumping into everything as if he
couldn't see. When he wasn't swimming and was laying on the sand he is
breathing heavy and appears to "cough" every 5-10 seconds. Before today
I had been doing about 5 gallon water changes every other day. I
panicked a little and did a quick 7.5 gallon water change before testing
the water. I then ran to my LFS to grab some meds. <...
environmental> I was given a Malachite Green and some Maracyn-Two. I
came home, set him up in a freshwater bath with the malachite green for
about 20 minutes. While this was going on I tested the water. pH 7.9,
0.2 Nitrite, 0.15 Ammonia, 40-50 for Nitrate, and 1.023 for salinity. I
then did another 7.5 gallons of water change. Put puffer back into my
main tank and added the recommended dosage of Maracyn-Two to the tank (2
Packets per 20 gallons, so I added 6 packets). Also every water change
has been with mixed RO water and salt to a 1.025 Salinity. The 2 lions
seem to be in great health still. That's the story up to today. I
think I have solved the stuff that was found on his spikes. As he coughs
he is blowing the sand up around and onto his back. So it seems to be
just stuff he is kicking up out of the sand. My question is this. How
many and how frequent water changes should I be doing from this point
forward to get him healthy again, should I be doing a daily freshwater
bath with the Malachite Green, and should I continue with the
recommended five day dosing of the Maracyn-Two. Any other meds you can
recommend? Your help is appreciated. <... No "meds" needed, nor
desired. But reading (by you) is... see WWM re the Systems for these
species, Ammonia, Nitrite... You're headed for disaster... at a fast
clip. Bob Fenner>
Hippo tang with Velvet? -
7/2/08 Hey
guys, http://www.zaita.com/Images/Hippo01.jpg
http://www.zaita.com/Images/Hippo02.jpg <I see> I noticed
these marks on my Hippo today, she was fine yesterday. She seems to
have a scratch in front of them going up her body as well. I thought
maybe velvet, but I am thinking it's something more? <Mmm,
something different. Twere this Amyloodiniumiasis, all your fishes
would be dead> Maybe she got stuck in a rock and had to wiggle
free? It is only on 1 side of her body too. <A possibility, but
there is a much greater likelihood that this area is resultant from
a "brush" with the Cnidarian life in your system... perhaps the
Euphyllia just in view> Tank is 125g, 12months old. She was first
fish introduced and is now about 15cm in length. No new additions
for the last 12 weeks. She is housed with 2 Scopas tangs who she
bosses around, a few smaller fish and a COB whom she ignores. She
rules the tank quite happily. Her appetite, attitude and breathing
all appear to be normal. She is fed Nori, enriched Spirulina and
enriched frozen brine. She has previously had white-spot but it was
only ever 1 or 2 spots that left after a week. Apart from that
she has been a healthy blue tang. She was looking perfectly normal
yesterday too. Thanks heaps guys, really love the site and it's
an invaluable resource. Regards, Scott. <Thank you for
your kind words Scott. I would "do" nothing extraordinary here. Very
likely this area will heal w/in a few weeks, the fish all the
smarter for paying closer attention to the "decor". Bob Fenner> | 
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Compressed gas duster 06/06/2008 Hello WWM Crew, <<Hello,
Andrew today>> Someone who will remain nameless used a compressed gas
duster (the kind to clean off computer keyboards) on the hood of our
saltwater Nanocube. They realized quickly that the compressed gas (along
with its propellant such as difluoroethane) could have gotten into the
tank so within 10 minutes all of the fish were evacuated into a very
stable refugium of another tank, and the fish are fine. We've done
about 1/3 water change (~ 7gal of 20gal) in the Nano). Our plan is to
watch the (prolific) algae and (small white) starfish as a barometer of
water quality before returning the fish in two or three days. Should we
do more of a water change? Other suggestions? <<A couple of larger 50
- 60% water changes should suffice, and lots of monitoring of the tank,
should all be fine>> Blessings, BJ Mora <<Thanks for the
questions. A Nixon>>
Bloated Fish now Blistered 6/4/08 Hi WWM Crew,
<Joe> Again I am requesting your expertise on something that has
seemed to stumped me and everyone else that has looked in on these
pics. This is not my fish but someone else's. As of now it is in
a hospital tank being treated with antibiotics but still no idea
what is on this guy. It started when the owner noticed ich in her
DT after moving everyone to a HT for hypo she noticed this
particular fish looked bloated, keeping an eye on it for a couple of
days it didn't get better. Then it stopped eating, she started
treatment and also raising the salinity back up to normal. Total
elapsed time from start of hypo to present day is 6 days, yesterday
it apparently ate for the first time but not anything significant.
The issue now is that the bloated area seems to have blisters all
over. Any ideas what these blisters are and what caused them? Thanks
in advance and I attached the best pics there were. -Joe-
<Mmm, have seen this sort of blistering before... Looks like this
fish was initially stung but good by a defensive/offensive mechanism
of some powerful Cnidarian... Like a Galaxea or Catalaphyllia
species... Hopefully will self-cure in time. Bob Fenner>
Re: Bloated Fish now Blistered – 6/4/08 Ok, except this fish
wasn't symptomatic until after it was in hospital tank with no
corals for a couple of days. Can a sting reaction take that long to
show damage? <Yes indeed; it can. Other possibilities abound...
burning from heaters, an allergic reaction to foods, tankmates;
idiopathic tumours...> Joe Brillon <BobF> | 
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Tank temp spikes and affect on Sailfin Tang 05/23/08 Hi
guys, <including gals I trust> I love your site and have gotten
many helpful hints on keeping my tank healthy. Everything has been
great-until now. My set up: 120 gallon saltwater tank Euro
Reef Protein Skimmer 2 Koralia 4 Powerheads 130 lbs live rock
Phos-ban phosphate reactor to include activated carbon Wet dry sump
with bio balls Livestock: 9 in. Red Sea Sailfin Tang <... needs
more room> 7 in. six bar angel 2 in. maroon clown 6 inch Niger
trigger 6 small blue-green Chromis Brown spotted goby 4 large
turbo snails 1 red Pilipino hermit crab The inhabitants have been
in the tank for over two years now and I have only lost snails when the
crab got hungry. I currently live in Tampa, FL and went on a weeks
vacation with my wife. We had someone come by to look after the house
and feed and take care of the fish every evening. This time of year
(May) it starts to really warm up, as you would expect. I maintain the
temperature in the house during the day, to also help keep the aquarium
cool. As luck would have it, my 2 year old A/C unit fizzled out, spiking
the temperatures in the house to over 93 degrees and the tank almost as
hot. Unfortunately, the house sitter couldn't get an A/C tech there, as
it was the weekend, and did everything he could to get the temperature
in the aquarium down. This included floating bags of ice in the top and
adding cool RO water. He managed to get things down to 88 degrees in the
tank, but obviously still way too high. By the time I got back into the
country to fix the A/C, we still had all of our inhabitants (except a
snail, who was eaten by the crab.) By the time we got home, the
livestock had been subjected to at least three days of this-according to
the sitter. To no ones surprise, everyone was hiding except for the
Chromis. Everyone looked stressed, but are coming along with the
exception of my Sailfin tang. The day I got home, he had developed large
white spots (lesions on his head and around his eyes that almost looked
powdery.) The day before I got there, the sitter said he appeared
"fine." His breathing is labored and one side of his gills are enflamed
and red inside. He is not eating and now the large spots seem to be
almost peeling off in chunks, exposing soft pink underneath. I gradually
got the water back down to 80 degrees F over the next day and the others
are swimming around more and starting to nibble on food. I've been
careful to feed just a little food after all the drama in the tank. I'm
worried about the tang though as he seems to be exhibiting signs of
HLLE-just a guess. In addition to solving my temperature issues, I did a
25% water change and removed the carbon. What do you recommend in
addition? If this is HLLE, is my tang going to make it? <Likely will
be fine... just take some time to heal> Help, Rich in Hot Tampa
<HLLE, neuromast destruction syndromes are largely environmental... fix
this and... Bob Fenner>
Marine Tank Mass Suicide
05/14/08 Hello, <Hiya Jeremy, Darrel here
tonight> Love your site. Great information. <Thank you. I must say
that you show a great deal of style, taste and dare I say it -
intelligence for noticing!> I have a 75 gallon reef setup. All of my
parameters are good: ammonia/nitrite 0, nitrates <20, temp at 78, s/g
1.026. The fish in the tank are a clarkii pair, diamond goby, clown
goby, powder brown tang, and yellow tang. <OK -- except to say that
"Nitrates <20" are very common words. As long was we all understand that
lower is better and while "<20" is OK ... "undetectable" is better. Or,
as I tell my son three times a week "You look bored, do another water
change!"> Recently, the two tangs committed suicide. They were
wedging themselves in spaces in the live rock that were much too small
for them. I would come home from work, and they would be stuck and
breathing heavily. I would free them, but they would do it again as soon
as they were free. Needless to say, the abuse on their bodies finally
caused their death. <Sorry for your loss, Jeremy> I attempted to
replace the yellow tang, only to have him do the same thing after two
days in the main tank (it only took one time for him to be dead).
<This is one of those letter that conveys a lot of information from your
perspective but actually leaves more to OUR imagination than you might
imagine. TANGS are funny fish. They routinely wedge themselves into
places that look in every measurable way too small for them. The Blue
Hippo Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) is an incredible jokester, frequently
laying on it's side and breathing irregularly, giving off every possible
indication of imminent death ... sometimes as a response to stress and
other times just apparently for grins ... only to swim off and swim
"right" just as soon as they're sure we're properly worried.> <So the
question is: How sure are you that they wouldn't have come out on their
own? Much like cats, Jeremy. Ever notice that the trees that line your
neighborhood streets aren't littered with the bodies of dead cats? It's
because almost without exception a cat can eventually get down from any
place it gets into. Same with fish. Scuba divers rarely find remnants of
fish in crevices. I suspect that you are correct when you theorize that
the process of freeing them was as damaging (and stressful) as whatever
the root cause (if any). Unless I had a clear cut case of a fallen or
shifted rock, I'd be inclined to let any fish that appears wedged in
somewhere simply stay there overnight.> My question is - Is
something or someone in my tank causing the fish to freak out enough to
slam into the live rocks until they are dead? All my parameters are
fine. Someone mentioned that maybe some of my equipment is shorting
out sending electric current into the water. Is that possible?
<Possible, sure. Likely? Not so much. Even minute amounts of current in
the water would be detrimental to the system but you'd likely see
aberrant behavior in all fishes, not just the tangs. The problem is that
most digital volt meters you would be able to access measure in
milliamps and you'd need micro amps to find a small leakage.> Help! I
of course don't intend to add anything to the tank until I have this
remedied, but I love the swimming motion of tangs and would love to have
another one. <Tangs are about my favorite, too and most tanks would
be blah without them, so I concur. How long was the last Yellow Tang in
quarantine before it was introduced into the main tank? Was his behavior
change INSTANT in the main tank? How long did you wait to see if he'd
free himself? What, exactly, did you do to free him?> Thank your for
you help on this! <Write back with those answers Jeremy, meanwhile
I'll go fishing for suggestions (PUN ALERT) from my more learned
colleagues> Jeremy in Omaha, NE
saltwater fish behavior and cause of death... env. Ridiculous mix of
species in too small system... too much money, too little knowledge
5/5/08 Hello. I have had
my saltwater reef tank established for almost nine months now and just
recently problems have began to occur. My tank consists of a few hardy
corals, a emporer anglefish, clown fish with a anenome, <... the
Angel name is tellingly mis-spelled, and need to know the species of
Anemone> a sargassum trigger fish, and a kole tang. Its 65 gallons,
<... you're not joking? This mix of species won't fit in such a small
volume> with about 55 pounds of live rock, and a few snails and
hermits. <... will be eaten by the Balistid> My trigger fish had
begun to be very timid, hiding in the rocks for days, only comming out
to eat, and now has died. All my elements are where they should be, but
the alkilinity hasnt been very stable. Its not horrible but not where it
should be. I'm wondering if that could be why he died. And now I've
began to notice my anglefish displaying unusual behavior. He will often
go to the right side of the tank, between live rock and the glass, and
just hover. I really hope he is'nt going to die also. Could you give me
any advice? Gayle <Read... re the needs of the life you intend to
keep BEFORE purchasing it. What you list won't work. Bob Fenner>
Saltwater tank infection 5/4/08 Hi Crew, My tank
had been up and running for almost a year now with no major set backs
until the water level in my skimmer raised too high and began pumping
water into the collection jug, overflowing onto the floor. <Yuck!>
My auto top off replenished the falling water level overnight with
freshwater and it took quite a toll on my fish. Sad to report I lost two
fish almost immediately and three others gradually deteriorated over the
next few days. One of those three is still alive and eating (yellow
tang) but his future is uncertain. A clown fish, cleaner goby, chromis,
inverts and corals seemed unaffected thankfully. I had recently
introduced one of the fish who may not have been quarantined properly
and my assessment is that following the shock of the freshwater flood,
the remaining fish became susceptible to something the new addition
introduced, hence the gradual deterioration over the next few days.
<Well-described> Since it spread so easily to the other fish I'm
assuming bacterial rather than parasitic. <Mmm, actually, there are
some very "fast onset" protozoan conditions... as in overnight> The
fish had no external sign of disease other than frayed fins, pale
colors, stressed out behavior and toward the very end two of them had
some sores or discoloration spots. From everyone I talked to I was best
to keep the water param.s perfect and slowly raise the salinity back up
rather than pulling out the three deteriorating fish and trying to treat
with meds <I am in agreement> (and I was not convinced that any
effective meds were reef safe to add to the display) in a quarantine,
but I basically just ended up watching the two fish die (and possibly a
third). Anyway- my question is this: once the remaining livestock
seem back to full health how long should I wait to add new fish and/or
are there any measures I should be taking at this point besides
monitoring water parameters? <A month or so and no> And yes, I
will make sure every fish is definitely quarantined properly before
adding to my tank and fail safe the collection jug set up so it can't
happen again. Thanks for the response. -Brian <Thank you for
relating (and so well) your trial and thought-processes. You have saved
many other organisms and heartaches thereby. Bob Fenner>
Green Chromis and QT ammonia 04/28/2008 Hello again crew!
<<Hello, Andrew here this afternoon>> After reading your Chromis FAQ,
I was unable to determine what course of action I should take. So I hope
you can give me some direction, as I've read different opinions from the
crew regarding my situation. <<Lets see what we can do then>> I
bought (1 week ago) in QT (30 gal) 17 green Chromis, and 2 purple
Firefish. These fish are all in QT now. The largest Chromis is 1", and
the Firefish are maybe 1.5". These fish will be the first additions to
my 210. <<WOW>> My QT parameters are... Ammonia (free ammonia)-
0, Nitrites - 0, nitrates - 2-5ppm, PH - 8.0, Salinity 1.025. I have
several PVC fittings for the fish to hide, and am feeding Spectrum
pellets, and Mysis Shrimp, and blood worms. All soaked in Selcon. I feed
a pinch of pellets in the morning, and half a cube of mysis or blood
worms at night. I've only done one 50% water change as my ammonia and
nitrite levels remain steady. I did the water change just after the 2nd
fish died. My ammonia test kit (Seachem) still works great as the
reference sample confirmed. <<Ok....Feeding once per day is ample
here>> After 4 days, I found a chromis dead with what looked like
bruising behind its right gills. 2 days later another Chromis developed
bruising on the top of its head, and died within 4 hrs. This morning, I
found another dead Chromis. This one looked fine, and didn't show any
signs of bruising or damage. <<This will be due to over crowding in
the QT tank>> I did net these fish. Several different opinions from
the crew were mentioned on your Chromis faq page...one said that netting
could cause the bruising and ultimate death, another said the QT was too
small and to quickly move them into the display tank, while another
suggested to start medicating for "hemorrhagic septicemia". I'm not
really sure what to do. Can you help shed some light on this? <<Cut
the level of stock in the QT tank. This is far too many for such a small
aquarium I'm afraid>> Also, the Seachem test kit says I only need to
test for Free ammonia because Free ammonia is the toxic form of ammonia.
The only other test kit I've used is from API. From my past experience,
I'm sure this test would come back with ammonia of 1.0 or higher. From
what the Seachem kit says, the API kit is testing "Total ammonia" which
isn't toxic to fish, and therefore doesn't require a water change.
<<In my opinion, both ways of testing ammonia are acceptable. Testing
for Free-Ammonia id just -another- way / method. Personally, i use the
API kits and find them acceptable>> Am I doing the right thing by
only testing and responding to "Free Ammonia" readings? <<Yes. The
only thing i see wrong is the stocking levels of the QT tank, and this
does need to be resolved before more untimely deaths occur.>> Thanks
for all your help! Wayne <<Thanks for the questions Wayne, hope this
helps. A Nixon>>
Grounding Probe Info 4/23/08 Dear Crew, I was doing a
little research on grounding probes and came across this article
written by a Georgia Tech professor, and thought I'd share:
http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/RCM/RCM/Aquarium/GroundingProbes.html
Basically, he educates the reader on the difference between
voltage in the tank (not a problem) and current in the tank (a
problem) and concludes that the addition of a grounding probe more
often than not causes a current problem where none previously
existed (the website also contains a good discussion about GFI
outlets). Although I don't know the author and can't vouch for his
wisdom, it seemed to make sense to me. This article was a real eye
opener for me--not because I was moments away from wasting $22 on a
grounding probe, but because every single catalog and every single
e-tailer I see sells and touts grounding probes. <I do not... and
have not... all these decades...> I assume that there are cases
in which they have some benefit, but I came away thinking, gee, this
is like "reef safe ich killer" and many of the other products I see
you guys poo-poo as worthless snake oil--it's amazing to me that
people can legally make tons of money off of hobbyist by selling
stuff that doesn't actually work or even causes harm. Cheers,
Andy <Agreed... and this is indeed a very fine piece... and the
link to this gentleman's tank project period:
http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/RCM/RCM/MICHELSONAquarium.html Thank
you for sending this along. Will post/share. Bob Fenner>
Re: Grounding Probe Info... and the meaning/liability for the
term/label "reef safe" Bob, <Andy> That guy's site is
really interesting/insightful. Because I've never used anything
that claims to be "reef safe", I've never had the opportunity to
read the label or warranty (if there is one) on "reef safe"
medications as to who bears responsibility when a hobbyist uses such
a product and his/her reef dies (or maybe nothing dies because it's
just colored water?). Something tells the manufacturer disclaims
liability. <I have said on occasion that I do wish I had the
time and/or money to hire someone in the legal biz to challenge
(i.e. sue) the many folks who make such disingenuous products... "If
only...". BobF> Re:
Grounding Probe Info Was that a subtle nudge?? ;-) <...
always> Ah, we could spend many a keystroke discussing this
topic. In some ways I am surprised it has not happened. Lawyers tend
to have more money than the average Joe = bigger/more expensive
tanks = bigger/more expensive crashes from use of dubious products =
higher $ damages. The problem with your dream is that you need
one of the following (i) a lawyer who's been personally screwed and
is willing to shoulder the legal battle, (ii) a rich hobbyist
willing to pay a lawyer by the hour (not likely) or (iii) a pot at
the end of the rainbow for a contingency fee lawyer (i.e., a big
enough class of plaintiffs who have been harmed that a lawyer's
35-40% fee is big enough to take the case). My guess is that the
warning labels on these products make it clear that "we cannot
guarantee that nothing will die from this. Of course it is best to
treat in a separate hospital tank, and the hobbyist assumes the risk
of adverse effects if used in the display." <Well put> Every
consumer product comes with a warranty of merchantability (i.e., a
warranty that the product does what it says it will do). Generally,
a manufacturer cannot disclaim such a warranty in a consumer
transaction. To pursue such a claim takes a lot of time and, if you
hire a lawyer, money. The court system is so expensive and time
consuming these days that it makes pursuing these claims difficult.
There is always the state's attorney general/consumer protection
division, but my experience is that regulators are loathe to take on
such matters unless there has been a significant financial harm.
<Mmm, our system of jurisprudence/litigation is the element of being
a U.S. citizen that I "like" best/worse about America. Cheers, BobF> |
Judgment question on changing pH... Umm, no... more basal
questions re human motivation, thinking/learning processes.
Mis-stocked system, iatrogenic errors/problems
4/16/08 Hello WWM Crew, <Jason> I have been
extensively reading here at WWM and learned a lot, so thanks for
all of the great work. I have a 100g marine FOWLR tank with
three triggerfish (Undulated, Niger, Pink Tail) and one moray
eel (Chain). <... troubles> I realize the conflict issues
with having other fish with the Undulated, but I've decided to
take the risk. The tank has been up and running for about 6
weeks now with no issues, aside from an arrow crab that ended up
breakfast for the triggers (I figured it was worth a try) and a
snowflake eel that escaped (the side of the lid with the heater
and pump now has a custom cardboard cutout taped down). <...
I do hope not to be reincarnated...> After all that reading
I've come to the conclusion that sometimes trying to adjust the
pH is more trouble than it's worth. <Okay...> My current
pH is 7.7 - 7.8 according to the LFS and my API 5 in 1 test
strips. <Not accurate> All other numbers are good, KH is
just under 300 (I have a piece of coral that seems to keep the
Ca levels up). Alk is around 10. From what I can find, the
triggers pH range starts at around 8.1 - 8.2. Should I even
bother trying to raise the pH? <Mmm, a larger issue than
this... Should you attempt to keep them period? Depending on
what gear you're employing, there is much more than pH that will
need to be addressed in such a small volume... Re the pH by
itself, yes to reading, understanding the relationship twixt it
as a static reading and alkalinity/alkaline reserve as a driver,
sustainer of pH... though it's not really the issue here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marphalk.htm and the linked files
above> That leads me to my second (and less important)
question. Sometimes the triggers (mostly the Undulated) swim
around hitting the live rock. <Very bad behavior> I'm
pretty sure it's not a disease as they are showing no symptoms.
I think they're just being aggressive and checking which rocks
they can move at their current size. I was wondering if it's
because of stress or just typical trigger behavior? <Is
symptomatic of real trouble here. Behavioral and physiological.
You seriously need to examine your own psychological profile as
an aquarist, perhaps more here... What is it you intend by
jamming all this incompatible life together in such a small,
unsuitable volume? Really. Do you understand what I'm stating
here? Know yourself, then go out an act in the world... What you
currently have is untenable. Won't work... Re-read on WWM re the
Systems, Compatibility of what you have crammed together here...
Trade, give most of it away. Formulate a work-able stocking
plan. Bob Fenner> Thanks for the insight, Jason |
Re: Judgment questions on changing pH 4/16/08 Hello WWM Crew,
<Hello> First of all, thank you for responding to my e-mail. I'm
writing in again because I don't feel like my question was answered.
The more info I provided the more the response drifted away from my
main question so I'll be direct. My Local Fish Store (not sure how
you determined they're wrong) says my pH is consistent at 7.7 - 7.8
and the fish in my take need a minimum pH of 8.1 - 8.2. I understand
the relationship between pH and Alk, as I said I've done much
research. Question: should I attempt to raise the pH to within the
range of the fish? <Yes, these are not freshwater fish which will
tolerate a certain amount of variance in pH. Marine fish do not have
this ability, they are adapted to live in the stable pH environment
of the ocean. This pH change does still need to be done slowly
though.> Now that I've directly asked my main question and
hopefully receive a direct answer, I'm going to take a second to
respond to a few of your points. I have had a successful trigger
tank with a Niger, Picasso and one Arrow Crab so I did have reason
to believe the crab could work. <Evidence would seem to indicate
otherwise.> I knew eels are escape artists so I did put effort
into keeping the snowflake in the tank but he was more resourceful
than I expected. There was no intent to harm the animals. I'm not
sure why my 'psychological profile' was brought up but I believe the
WWM staff are professionals so I'm not going to take that digression
personally. <Well, you are asking these creatures to go against
their nature. Its thousands of years of stimulus/response here, and
not likely to change.> I put the Pink Tail in the tank first,
than the Niger, followed by the Undulated so by order of
aggressiveness and size and the time they've had to settle in it
should minimize the conflict as much as possible. If any of the
triggers start to get beat up I will definitely be trading them in
to ease the stress in the tank, but that isn't happening now.
<Will happen, I am guessing the nigger first, the pink tail, the
Undulated should be the last.> I am anticipating eventually
having to give up either the Niger or Pink Tail as they grow.
<Both, but by the time you realize it is time to get rid of them the
damage will be done, behavioral and physical damage will already
have occurred.> The Pink Tail and the Niger get along fine.
<Not really, just their fear of the Undulated is probably
distracting them.> All of the Triggers get along with the Eel.
The Undulated stays by himself most of the time. <Big dog
doesn't hide behind other fish.> I also have much live rock with
many caves and hiding spaces for them and I keep them well fed.
<At some point the weakest of the triggers will no longer be allowed
to feed, then the next weakest, then perhaps the eel assuming the
Undulated is the last one left.> I understand what you are saying
but I also understand every situation is different. If the consensus
is this setup is impossible, please advise on what could work. In
order of what I want to keep it goes: 1) Undulated, 2) Moray Eel, 3)
Niger, 4) Pink Tail. <One trigger and the Eel, although an
Undulated Trigger may still decide to sample an eel. Basically your
tank is not sustainable as currently stocked.> <Chris><< and
thank you Chris... for this further resp. My BP can't handle much
more. RMF>> |
Fish health.... What? Env. dis, SW...? -02/27/08 Hi again,
it's me. I know getting a bit annoying. Anyway, can high ammonia and
nitrite cause fin and tail rot or is it just from aggression and
unsuitable water parameters? Thanks again for your wise words.
<Well, nigh ammonia (and nitrite) can cause these illnesses BECAUSE they
cause stress, reduced immunity to the infectious agents that do cause
the fin and tail rot (same goes for aggression/over or improper
stocking). Please see here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/infectio.htm
Best, Sara M.>
Has my leaf fish poisoned my tank? 2/16/08 Hi,
<Hello Francesca> I had until today a pink leaf fish (Taenionotus
triacanthus). Last night our skimmer went absolutely crazy for no
apparent reason. <? something...> On inspection today the skimmer
had calmed down but I noticed my Scribbled angel had dark patches
surrounding his gills where the usual bright yellow stripe is usually
found and was struggling to swim and the other fish were starting to nip
at him. When checking the other tank mates, we discovered the leaf fish
had died. It was hard to tell as it sat still for long periods of time
anyway. I am now concerned that it may have released toxins upon its
death. Are they known to do this? <Yes> So far only the
Scribbled Angel appears to be affected and I have added some activated
carbon to be on the safe side. Should I be looking at removing the
livestock from the tank? <Perhaps... I would at least execute a
large water change, increase aeration... But if you have other stable
system/s...> I have removed the angelfish who is now swimming in a
bucket full of tank water from my other marine tank and appears to be
breathing easier. Thanks Francesca <Mmm, all Scorpaeniform
fishes are toxic to some degree... Think how slow this species moves...
makes sense that it would have such defense. Bob Fenner>
Caulerpa prolifera, bad exp. related 2/16/08
Hello Crew, After reading many of the WWM Caulerpa prolifera links
and FAQ's I would like to share my experience with this macroalgae.
Tank: 29 gallon - BioWheel filter, 3 powerheads bounced off walls and
moved 1-2 times/week, Fluval canister - carbon and sponge media rotated
weekly. Water parameters test normal - Ammonia 0, Nitrates always under
10, Salinity 1.023-.025, Temp - 79-80 F. Do not dose - weekly 4-5 gallon
water changes with Instant Ocean salt. Excellent LFS test my water for
other parameters that I do not test for and all are within normal range.
(Because I don't dose, I don't regularly test for Calcium, phosphates,
other trace elements - rely on the water changes and the LFS for tests
every 1-2 months). The inhabitants are 2 false Percs., a mating pair (4
clutches of eggs since Dec. '07) and they have been the only 'fish'
inhabitants for 2+ years. Until recently, I had 4 hermit crabs (some 2
years old as well) and an emerald crab, happily there for almost a year.
Tons of purple coralline everywhere, about 25 lbs live rock, several
forms of red macroalgae, 3 thriving colonies of brown polyps and one
lone mushroom (Ricordea) - polyps and mushroom also 2+ years in this
tank. Several other types of macros - mostly red and not nuisance
(Identified on your site - thanks!) Now to the Caulerpa prolifera -
On January 2, 2008, I added a handful of the weed into my tank, along
with a properly acclimated cleaner shrimp from my trusty LFS. The shrimp
very sadly died within 48 hours - like it was being poisoned. I did
water changes immediately and did not want to introduce another shrimp
or any other creature. Within 10 days, my emerald crab was MIA and now
presumed deceased. I am down to 2 hermit crabs. Polyps and mushroom are
shriveled up and only partially extend after the water changes.
Thankfully, the clownfish seem fine - still producing a clutch - but not
like they were prior to the introduction of the Caulerpa prolifera.
After reading everything I can find on your site and from the countless
hours monitoring the health of my little tank, I think the Caulerpa is
killing my inverts. Plan to carefully remove all of it today, followed
up with even more rigorous water changes and increased carbon. I'll keep
you posted on the progress. With a 29 gallon tank, the Caulerpa may be
too great a risk - simply not enough water volume to handle any toxins
released - even with water changes. Any thoughts on this matter? <Is
a possibility here for sure> The recent problems in my tank brings me
to another question. I do not have a protein skimmer because of the low
bioload and frequent water changes and because the original inhabitants
have been thriving for so long. <Mmm, would help> However, recent
events have changed my mind - scared me, really and I'm going to
purchase an HOB/HOT skimmer. Choices are the Tunze Nano or Aqua C Remora
Nano (rated for 25 gallons). There are many reviews on your site - any
personal preferences? <Both are excellent here> Do you think the
Aqua C Nano is sufficient? <Yes, likely so> Is the Aqua C
Pre-bubble box required? <Might be... try it w/o and see> (I don't
plan to add anything else except 2-3 hermits and a cleaner shrimp if and
when the polyps unfurl/things get healthy again) Thanks for this site
and all your work. Cheers, Kellie McIvor <It will likely take a
few careful vacuuming/water change procedures to rid yourself of the
Caulerpa... but I'd proceed. I do encourage you to skim out the weedy
bits, turf them into your garden and not down the sanitary sewer... if
yours discharges more/less directly to the sea... as this noxious weed
can be too-easily transplanted in this fashion. Bob Fenner>
Linckia Starfish And Possible System Poisoning – 02/15/08
Dear WetWebMedia crew (what should we do without you?), <<Hello
Michael>> I have a question concerning my Blue Linckia starfish.
<<Mmm, okay…but be advised, this is a species better left in the
ocean>> I have been reading a lot of FAQs concerning starfish,
and I must say that I am a little worried. <<Indeed…these
starfish have a dismal survival rate>> I have an 80 G reef tank,
with various fish and corals. I also have 2 Seastars, a Blue Linckia
and a Fromia. <<The latter is a much more aquarium hardy
species>> But for what I have been reading my tank is too small
for a Linckia, <<Yes…but only one of many issues re the
survivability of this starfish species>> and that if it dies it
can wipe out my entire system? <<Can decompose and pollute a
smallish system very quickly…and not likely to be quickly
consumed/appreciated by the scavengers available in your system. But
I’m doubtful of an entire tank wipeout here…though this is much
dependent on existing filtration>> Should I remove it? <<Is up
to you…maybe you can return it for store credit>> I have had it
for 10 months. <<Well, I must admit this is surprisingly
long…especially considering the size of your system>> Thank You,
Michael Fick Denmark <<Happy to share. Eric Russell…South
Carolina>>
Re: Linckia Starfish And Possible System Poisoning – 02/16/08
Hello Eric, <<Good morning, Michael>> Thank you for your
reply. <<Quite welcome>> Eric, let me ask you more directly.
Would you remove the Linckia, if it was your system? <<Hmm… Well
Michael, considering this animal has been in the system for ten
months now…with a good protein skimmer installed, I would leave it
be unless it is showing or begins to show signs of decline
(degeneration/loss of limbs)>> My system (my first) is a year
old. <<I see…and was (still is) much too new when you introduced
“this” starfish. Yet, it is still alive after ten months in your
system so I’m guessing you got one of those “very rare” individuals
that make the adaptation to captive life…and…you are doing
something/there is something about your system that is keeping this
animal healthy>> The plan is to upgrade the system to 140-150 G.
<<Sounds great... Am sure you are aware but, do be cautious during
the move and reacclimation to prevent exposure of the starfish to
the atmosphere>> But that is not before in a year’s time.
<<Ahh, the anticipation…and good time for researching the livestock
you think you might want…before you buy [grin]>> Thanks,
Michael Fick Denmark <<Happy to help. EricR>>
R2: Linckia Starfish And Possible System Poisoning – 02/16/08>
Hi Eric, <<Hello Michael>> Thanks again for your (quick)
reply. <<Always welcome>> Yes, you’re absolutely
(unfortunately) right, I knew very little about this starfish when I
bought it, which is why I was a little reluctant to write, because I
knew that I could come in "trouble" for that. <<Ah, yes…but only
a minor scolding this time…just make sure you learn from the
incident and don’t become a “repeat offender” [grin]>> But you
are absolutely right, I should never have bought it without doing
research first, and then I should still not have bought it.
<<Untold animal lives and hobbyist anguish could be spared with but
this one simple rule…and oh yeah, a comprehensive application of
prophylactic freshwater dips for our piscine friends…>> And that
is one of the reasons I really like you guys, I can trust you, you
are not trying to make a buck off me. <<Indeed…and “thank you”
for the vote of confidence>> I am very happy that I stumbled upon
this site four months ago, purely by accident; you have saved me a
lot of grief, a thousand thanks. I am very grateful. <<We too are
pleased you have found us and to be of service>> Michael Fick
Denmark <<Be chatting, my friend. Eric Russell>> P.S Do you
know when the new edition of Bob’s book is out? <<Hmm, I believe
I saw where he stated it had gone to the publisher some weeks ago…so
maybe soon. Perhaps Bob will see this and elaborate. EricR>>
<I know naught... should be any time now... RMF> |
Micro-bubbles/gas-bubble disease 2/15/08 Hi, <Hello
Ryan> I've been breeding marines for a while and I recently set-up a
10 x 55g system to house the majority of my common broodstock (clowns,
Dottybacks etc.) and I have been having a bit of a problem with
micro-bubbles. I have tried many things to try and rectify this problem
and am starting to suspect that I purely have too much flow going
through the system. I have 30,000 LPH at 2m head height, coming from a
large Onga (aussie brand pool pump) magnetic drive pump. <Mmm... I
would use something else... you don't need the pressure this device
produces, nor to pay for it> I am going to order another smaller
(23,000 LPH) <Again, I'd look into something with a different
flow/pressure profile... see an outfit that sells pumps for other
purposes than pools> to see if this fixes the problem but in the
meantime I am concerned about the broodstock I have already added to
this system. How serious is gas-bubble disease for marine fish
<Very> and what kind of exposure to micro-bubbles over what kind of
period of time causes this? <Just a small exposure in a period of
minutes can be deadly> Are can't seem to find a definitive answer.
Even on your 'bubble trouble' FAQ's one person is told that
micro-bubbles really are anything to be concerned about where another is
told that they could kill your fish. <Have seen the latter on a few
occasions... There are papers written on the topic, gear devised to
out-gas water...> I can't see any obvious physical problems with my
fish. The micro-bubbles seem to come out different returns depending on
what I fiddle with and while it doesn't seem to bother some fish in
others it seems to really disturb the fish, decreasing their appetite
and causing them to withdraw into their tanks/decor. Thanks in
advance, Ryan. <Do look for "college level" general texts on
aquaculture... both the issues of gas embolism/disease and aeration/gas
saturation. Bob Fenner>
Saltwater Aquarium Water Quality Issues 01/23/2008 <<Andrew
here>> I have a 65 gallon salt tank with overflow sump, Lighting
system is a halide with 4x48 watt actinic. I have one damsel (large blue
devil), 60 pound of live rock actually going purple, 40 pounds of live
sand. I have two powerheads in the tank moving water, 2-blue legged
hermit crabs(1/2"). <<ok>> Filtration consisting of sump with
filter sock, protein skimmer and return in sump pump (moving 600gph) the
connection between my sump pump and return hose is brass. <<Consider
swapping the brass fitting for a PVC fitting>> Water and tank have
been set up for four weeks, my LFS and my test kits are reading all 0s
for nitrite and ammonia, pH at 8.4, temp at 78, SG at 1.0235, so we
think we cycled. <<What about nitrATES?? >> Freshwater supply was
City of Chicago tapwater treated with API dechlorinator. <<Consider
changing to Ro or RO/DI water for better quality in the tank>> The
damsel is doing fine, the hermit crabs are alive, and algae is growing
albeit not at a fast rate. But I introduced turbo snails and a camel
back shrimp yesterday and they (6 of them) appear not to have survived
the night. Any ideas about what could be wrong? <<Osmotic shock
sounds like the best candidate here. Did you acclimatize them?>>
<<Thanks for the questions. A Nixon>>
Re: More ideas on tank devastation 12/31/07 You had
mentioned the idea of a possible toxin in my tank being a type of metal
poisoning. Would adding make up water via aluminum mixing bowl be a bad
idea? <Possibly... more for the soap/cleaner possible contamination
than the small short-term metal addition> This never occurred to me
because it is new and clean but maybe I should switch to a plastic type?
thanks~ Alan <I would... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/index.htm the sixth tray down on
water... Bob Fenner>
SW fish eye Cond.s -12/22/2007 Hey There, <Rob> Need some
help, please. My fish only saltwater tank had a drop in temp over the
weekend and I noticed my Niger Trigger and Blue Face Angel had one
cloudy eye. My local fish store gave me some Melafix to use <... do
NOT pour this in... Almost no upside, and quite a bit down.> and I
did per the directions. These two are the only ones with the problem,
and everyone in the tank including these two are still eating great. Now
it is time for my water change and the cloudy eye's have become better
but definitely not a 100%. What is this and what should I do? Thanks.
<Possibly simply env. stress... Is my guess as most likely> Rob
Styron <Please read here re general marine fish eye complaints:
http://wetwebmedia.com/pop-eye.htm for the linked files above. Bob
Fenner>
Recovering from catastrophic power loss-12/22/2007 Hello,
<Deb> Up until a few days ago, I had a 9 year old 55 gallon
indo-pacific soft coral reef tank with a coral beauty, a yellow-tailed
blue damsel, and many small hermit crabs and various snails as a cleanup
crew. My softies consisted of yellow polyps, green star polyps, orange
Ricordea, orange Zoanthids, clove polyps, a mushroom leather and various
other little critters that popped up out of my live rock. On Sunday
morning, we lost power and didn't get it restored until Thursday.
Disaster should've been averted, as I have a 20,000 Watt generator at my
house, but it was never installed correctly and never came on. The house
got down to 40 degrees for about 4 days, with nothing in the tank
running. So, long story short, I came back to a dead tank. I started
breaking it down yesterday and found that, in fact, some of the hermit
crabs were actually alive! In addition, my yellow polyps are not
extended, but aren't melting down either. They're staying "upright" as
it were, so I think that they may be alive as well. So -- I disconnected
my canister filter, completely cleaned it out, packed it with new media,
including activated carbon, and hooked it back up. <Good> I have
a SCWD system running in there for water movement, and I'm skimming the
HECK out of it with a CPR BakPak. I've found and removed the only two
fish in the tank, as well as all of the dead snails/crabs that I've
found. I also did a 60% water change. My question to you is -- now
what??? <Time going by> Is it even reasonable to think that I can
rescue this tank? <Some of it, yes> If so, what steps do you
recommend? <Observation, testing... possible water change-outs...>
I'm making more RO/DI water as we speak and intend on doing a series of
50% water changes until it DOESN'T smell like the bay at low tide. I'm
also going to continue removing any dead occupants as I find them and
skimming the heck out if this tank. <Sounds good> Should I just
return what's alive to a fish store and give up on this, or is there
hope? <There is always... or should I state, there could always be
hope> Should I try to remove any dead corals or let them disintegrate
into the system. Will the cycling that's bound to take place destroy the
other corals? <Mmm... I would hold out hope that some/all of the
"corals" might have some living tissue that might rally...> Thanks
for any advice you can give. Deb <Hang in there. Bob Fenner>
Sad Sad Day, Tank Restocking... env. dis f' 11/14/07 Hey
guys, <Hello> I hope this email finds everyone well. <Yes,
thanks.> I just had a terrible day, first we noticed a crack in the
base of my tank. We did what we had too, got a new tank and began the
switch to the fishes new home. <Not fun> Problem being the
Tupperware container that the fish were housed in while we were setting
up the new tank over heated (for some reason the heater did not turn
off, water was about 90 degrees if not more). Unfortunately we didn't
notice and a couple hours later all my fish are dead (3 Chromis, neon
goby, tang, and 2 clowns I've had for 6 years) so sad. <Very> So
here goes my question. The new tank is set up with our old water, I am
just curious if there is any reason to wait to restock the aquarium.
<I would, give it some time to settle in, moves like this can be more
taxing than you think.> If so, how long should we wait. <I would
give it a couple weeks, make sure it does not recycle and let things
settle a bit.> To be quite honest I do not want to look at an empty
tank for too long, to sad. Thanks for all your time and look forward to
your reply. Thanks, Steve <Like most things in the hobby, a
little patience here will go a long way. Sorry to hear of all your
troubles.> <Chris>
Naso and Angel with cloudy eye's in a tanks with Yellow head
Moray... Killing fishes with ignorance... hopefully w/o avarice
Hello, my name is Matthew and I'm having a huge issue. I have had a
120gl for about Four month that I had transported form a pervious
owner. I moved the water, sand, yellow head Moray, etc. <Whoa! Is
this a Gymnothorax rueppelliae... of what size? Gets a meter long...
a piscivore> For the first month there was just the Eel, then we
added a Lion, Angel, Trigger, and Naso. <Uhh... this is a lot of
life... and too much to add in a short while> We had the Naso,
Lion, and Eel for about a month and then added the Trigger and Angel
from a friend that's tank had broke. Everything was fine until these
two showed up and sense then everything has been a issue. <Won't
be fine...> Something happened two days after the trigger and
angel were put in, the Lion loss color and got a slimy coat on him,
the angel died, the Naso got the worst case of foggy eyes I have
ever seen and I had a Harlequin Tusk lost his slime coat and almost
died as well. <... too much, too soon... Too much wealth and not
enough education> I had taken the Tusk and Tang to my Local fish
store were there the had brought them back to life. <Env.>
surprisingly through this hole ordeal the Eel never had a problem.
We thought is was the filter <...> so I replaced the Bio wheel
and Canister with a 120 sump with built in refugium, put a
SuperSkimmer Protein Skimmer. I had let the tank be for a month with
just the eel, and just this weekend brought the Tusk and Naso home.
<Return them> Well the Tusk has been eaten by the eel, <...>
the Naso has cloudy eyes and the angel gets white raised spot during
the night and leave by day. I have changed everything on the tank
what can be causing this to keep happening? Please any Help would be
great. <... Please... read on WWM re each of the species you
list... their Systems needs, Compatibility... You have too much of
an untenable mix here... Won't work... You killed the lost animals
by crowding them together... Bob Fenner>
Re: Naso and Angel with cloudy eye's in a tanks with Yellow head
Moray... still not reading 11/13/07 Thanks for
the fast reply, Yes I will admit I did do a little to much to
<too> fast. The Naso eyes are getting worse again as we speak.
The Passer Angel, Moray, and Naso are the only ones in there now and
all seem to be getting along fine. <Matt... you're not
understanding... there is too much incompatible life for the volume
you have here> The eel and Naso even share the same cave. Should
I take everybody out and leave it sit for 6 weeks or can I leave the
eel and if so will this happen again. <...> After reading the
Bio on these fish, the angel is 6in, the Naso 7inch and Eel 3ft
witch <which> if I'm reading write <right> there
shouldn't be a big issue. Let me know what you think. Matthew <I
think you should read as directed in your first missal, my response.
BobF> Re:
Naso and Angel with cloudy eye's in a tanks with Yellow head Moray
11/14/07 WOW, you even spell check for me as well. I know you
quite respected in your field and for that reason I reached out to
you for help. Just for FYI I am not made of money and like most
people in this hobby learn by trail <Yippee aye yo ki yay!>
and error. <Mmm, just trying to wake you up, help you skip a
bunch of the latter... Do you understand this?> Just a little
nicer on the replies, I might help others not a knowledgeable as
yourself not feel like idiots. Thanks for your time Matthew.
<IF you had read you'd know that the 120 is barely adequate for the
Muraenid... Please... study, THEN choose knowledgably what you think
you can keep. RMF>
Re: Naso and Angel with cloudy eye's in a tanks with Yellow head
Moray 11/14/07 Yes I understand, Just the same I
have made a choice to give the Eel to a person that does tanks for a
company called Color Wheel. He will have a huge tank with those of
his kind. I have done some reading and this animal belongs either in
a huge tank, by his self, or most of all in the ocean. And being
that he can never go back to the ocean, I will give him away to
someone that will give him the room he needs. <Ahh, very good>
I'm sticking to clown and Tangs. If I came across harsh I apologize,
I'm just frustrated. Thanks Matthew <Welcome. BobF> |
Toxics Water?...More Likely Overcrowding, Lack Of Knowledge 10/15/07
I have a 40 gal tank that has been running for 3 months with a Three
Striped Damsel, False Clownfish, Yellow Tang, Scopas Tang, Mandarin
Goby, 2 Diamond Gobies, 2 Cleaner Shrimp, 2 Crocea Clams, Sun Coral,
Frogspawn Coral, two Bubble Tip Anemones. One assumption <Assumption
of what?> was the Mandarin Goby, after buying and doing my reading. I
realize I shouldn't have it due to the lack of live rock (100lbs or
more). <And the fact that your tank is overstocked by a good margin.>
I have had her for about a week and she is doing fine, last night when
the water was cloudy she turned very white in color and would swim near
the surface on the water which I found to be very unusual for a Mandarin
Goby. This morning I checked the mandarin and she is fine, good color
and size. <and size??> Just to sum up a few things here it is.
Recently I noticed that my cleaner shrimp was indeed pregnant, ok cool
midnight snack. Second was the red slime algae, I treated that with the
proper dose of Blue Life Red Slime Remover. It worked great. that
treatment was 3 days ago, no more red slime after one treatment. <Not
a cure, just a temporary band-aid. It will be back. Better to control
the source of the problem. Read here and linked files above.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bluegralgae.htm> For the past few weeks
the water quality has been good all except for nitrates. <Not
surprising with the load you have in that 40.> It have been around
10-15 ppm. I added Algone <Another band-aid and not a fix. Go here.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/nitratesmar.htm> and have been doing 10%
water changes every couple days to gradually bring them down. Last night
I came home to my tank being completely cloudy and I had assumed it was
maybe my cleaner shrimp giving birth so I left it as is. This morning
the tank was clear but my Xenia was dead, so I did a water test. The
first thing I checked was ammonia, it was way to high like 6 ppm. The
Xenia is the only thing that died. This morning I did a 25% water change
and the ammonia did not change. Any Suggestions? <You definitely need
to reduce your fish load. I'd would find homes for the tangs, as your
tank is much too small for them to begin with. Next would be the
Diamond Gobies, they are not going to survive for long in that
environment, and not a real easy goby to acclimate to begin with. And,
the Bubble Tip Anemones, not good mixing these with corals. BTA's will
move from time to time, and in the process, sting other animals along
the way. Without a source of copepods for the Mandarin's diet, it too
will more than likely perish. Never mentioned lighting, do not know what
your lighting consists of, but the Crocea clams do require high
intensity lighting to survive. It sure sounds like you have had very
little direction or knowledge before setting up this tank. You mention
nothing about using a filter and/or protein skimmer. This info does help
us give a better answer to your query. In your case though, it is quite
obvious that overstocking is the major problem here. Reading here and
related linked files above, will give you a much better understanding of
what is required to establish and maintain a healthy marine system.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marineSetUp.htm> Thank you for your time.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog(> Riley, Christian E.
Questions... SW env. dis. 10/3/07 Hi Mr Fenner, I have
read your book and i must say it ¡s brilliant i have recommended it to
all my aquarist buddies, and thank you for providing us aquarists with
such a great web site. <Welcome> I have a couple of questions i
hope you could answer for me. I have a 110 Gallon fish only set-up, with
two canister filters, and an AquaC Protein skimmer. I currently have two
Peculiar clowns, <Heeee!> a Long nose butterfly, Raccoon
butterfly, Blue cheek Goby, Cleaner wrasse, Flame angel, Juvenile
emperor (3¡¨) and a sub-adult Emperor in adult coloration (6¡¨).
<Uhh...> And yes before you have a go at me.... i am going to upgrade
soon to a 250 gallon tank. The two Emperors get on fine (for the time
being ?º). I perform a 10% water change every week and also i never over
feed, this has worked wonders for me in maintaining water quality. Now
for the questions: My Raccoon has been scratching itself against the
rocks and sand in my aquarium, and recently i have noticed its colour
get very dark, also he is breathing intensely. Could this be a parasite
problem? <Possibly> If so what action shall i take? Is Parazorine
adequate? <I would isolate the Chaetodon... and observe for now>
Also my flame angel has been suffering from a clouded eye. My local fish
store told me it ¡s a fluke and they told me to give it a fresh water
dip. <Mmmm...> I did and it eventually went away, i have noticed
this morning that his eye is clouded again. What shall i do to eradicate
this problem? <Improve water quality, nutrition. Get the bigger tank
ASAP> I have also noticed the Juvenile emperor with the same issue.
<Environmental issues...> I have recently set-up my AquaC protein
skimmer and i have noticed that it hasn¡¦t been producing any froth, how
long does it take for the skimmer to get through the break in period?
<Weeks at times> Thank you for taking time out to answer my
questions. Kind Regards, Kamal <The bigger tank Kamal... and
not filtered with canisters... Read on WWM re my friend. Bob Fenner>
Strange fish deaths... nope, just env. 9/26/07 Hello and
howdy, <Hi and howzit?> I have a question and I'll try and get
straight to the point. I have a 170 gallon FOWLR aggressive predator set
up. I have not added anything to this tank in about 6 months. Nothing
has died and every fish ate a lot and frequently. About 3 weeks ago
there was a ridiculous heat wave and of course my air conditioner broke.
I blew fans across the water added bags of ice etc. Well sadly I lost a
couple fish presumably to the heat. 1st was my XL fox face rabbit.
<Do need high DO...> He/she turned pale and sat in the corner
breathing heavy, and i woke up in the morning to find my rather large
hermit crabs eating his eyes out. Shortly after it's passing my
Porcupine puffer started acting strange and not eating just resting and
breathing. Occasionally "freaking" out and swimming erratic. About the
same time the heat wave subsided and my air was fixed and I brought the
tank back to acceptable temp of 76. Well the puffer started turning
"splotchy" and went the same route as the Fox face. At the same time i
noticed my lion fish looking lethargic and refusing to eat ( offered
krill, squid, silversides) I came home yesterday to find my lion fish
floating sideways and gasping for air. Needless to say it died. Is it
possible there is some parasite jumping from fish to fish? <Mmm, more
likely cascade events from the ill-effects of the temperature swings,
micro-biota here> My two reaming Triggers, Wrasse, grouper, and eel
all appear to be fine and are extremely active. I removed the lion fish
to a smaller tank and let it die there as a precaution. Could it just
have been the stress from the tank temp that was just to much? <Yep,
this and crowding> Thanks in advance for your help and advice
Brian Atkinson <Bob Fenner>
Re: Strange fish deaths Thanks for your quick response. One
question though, you mentioned the over crowding? It's a 170 gallon tank
and only had 7 fish. I thought 170 was enough room for all them to grow.
<Mmm, not the species listed, no> I have seen all to <too>
frequently twice that many fish in smaller tanks. What size tank should
I have to accommodate the below mentioned fish? <Overcrowding,
mis-stocking is more the rule than exception. Read... fishbase.org, WWM
re the likely maximum sizes, compatibility... RMF> Brian Atkinson
Re: Strange fish deaths 9/26/07 That website is great thanks for
the info. Guess I am gonna have to upsize my tank <Ahhh, very good.
BobF> Brian Atkinson
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