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FAQs on Marine Environmental Disease/Losses
10 Related Articles:
Environmental Disease, Establishing
Nutrient Cycling, Marine
Water Quality,
Maintenance, Related FAQs:
Marine Environmental Disease 1,
Marine Env. Disease 2, Marine Env.
Disease 3, Marine Env. Disease 4,
Marine Env. Disease 5,
Marine Env. Disease 6, Marine Env.
Disease 7, Marine Env. Disease 8,
Marine Env. Disease 9,
Marine Env. Disease 11,
Marine Env. Disease 12, Marine Env.
Disease 13, & FAQs on Environmental Disease By Cause/Types:
Environmental Deficiencies, Oxygen/Gas
Problems, Poisoning, Mis-stocking:
Psychological Challenges, (Aggressive
Behavior, Territoriality, ),
Physiological Challenges (e.g. Metabolites, Allelopathy, Stinging),
& Troubleshooting/Fixing, | 
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Clownfish, New System Stocking Problem - 2/13/07 Hi Guys <Hi
Darren, Brenda here> I have a 50 gal (US) corner tank, 35-40 lbs
live rock, water turn of 900 gal/hr via 3 p/heads and filters, canister
filter (Fluval 404) with coral gravel as filter media all running for 6
weeks or so, 1 Mertensii Butterfly 3", 3 blue/green Chromis all 1", 1
Midas Blenny 3" and a very sick looking Common Clown 1" (plus a cleaner
and a peppermint shrimp, 6 hermits and 3 Turbos). I recently introduced
a 3 inch Bubble tip anemone also. <Your tank is overstocked for a 6
week old setup. It is also recommended to wait a minimum of 6 months
before adding an anemone.> Temp constant around 77, SG around 1.24,
<1.024??> pH 7.7-7.9, no ammonia or nitrite and nitrate around 13-14
mg/l. <Temperature should be 79-81 and salinity should be 1.026 for
an anemone with pH at 8.2-8.5. Nitrates, they need to be at zero.>
Now to the Clown which I have had for about 3 weeks, in which he has
been very bright, alert and eating well. He has been in hiding for a
day or so, I thought it was because I had to make some adjustments to
the live rock and he was startled. He came out for a swim last night
and looked in good health, then this morning I came in and he was lying
on the bottom, breathing heavily and trying to swim but
struggling. Since then he has tried to swim into a secluded area
beneath the rock and continues to breathe heavily. I can't see any
slime or white coloration that would indicate Brooklynella. I did
recently lose a Regal Tang to some unknown disease (rapid weight loss
and loss of appetite, stomach swelling and some accompanying white
spot). <Did you quarantine for 30 days before adding to
your tank?> Could the clown have something similar or has he maybe
tried to inhabit the anemone and it stung him badly, or is it something
else perhaps. Please help, I really don't want to lose another fish in
quick succession. <Bubble Tip Anemones do not sting clownfish. The
Regal Tang’s unknown disease could have infected the
clownfish. However, your high nitrates and overstocked new setup alone
could cause this also. I do suggest placing the clownfish in quarantine
and water changes to get your nitrates down to zero. Please read here
for more information on clownfish diseases. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clndisfaqs.htm
> Kind regards and thanks in advance. Darren <Your
welcome! Brenda> Yellow angel in a bad way. Heat Stroke...
2/11/07 Hi guys, <Hello.> firstly I would like to say
that your website is great. <Thanks.> My name is Janet and I am
a novice aquarist. <My name is Adam and I'm an alcoholic....woops
wrong place and time (kidding).> I have a 200litre tank about 3
months old. Levels are ammonia 0 Nitrites 1ppm and nitrates 10ppm at
present. <Mmm any present nitrites are no good...could be just a
test kit issue though.> Just introduced a yellow angelfish 4 days
ago and today my chiller has stuffed up and temps rose to 28celcius.
<Uh-oh.> Didn't realize there was a problem until i saw the fish
lying on the bottom of the tank on his side. Have cooled it down using
frozen bottles of water but he is not looking good. Other fish in the
tank are 2 tomato clowns, 1blue tang, 1 coral beauty, 1 reef butterfly
and 1 blue wrasse. Is there anything I can do to help him? <I would
move the specimen into a stable isolation and keep it there he exhibits
normal behavior...especially dietary wise...and do find a way to keep
the display temp. stable.> Thanks heaps, Janet. <Adam J.>
Velvet Clown... Mmm, no... env. 2/4/07 I'm writing in
sort of an emergency. I'm new to marine aquariums, and two of my fish
have recently died and I'm trying to save the last one. The three
fish, a damsel and two clowns, were both in a dirty, 20-gallon tank. I
switched them to a fresh 10-gallon tank about a week ago, <Too
small...> following all the instructions about acclimating them to
the new system (although I did not dip them between tanks, I've never
done that before). The damsel immediately developed a pop-eye, lost
interest in food, and died within the week. The smaller clown began
swimming erratically two days ago, and now is lying on the gravel,
breathing very hard and I assume he is not going to make it. The third
clown has lost interest in eating as well, and he's developed a sort of
yellow powder on him that, after reading your site, seems to be a
symptom of velvet. <Mmm... environment> I installed an
appropriate size-heater on the tank, and have been fishing through with
a small net to remove any excess food, so I don't understand what I've
done wrong to make water conditions so bad. <... nitrogenous waste
bottlenecking> I did transfer a handful of gravel from the old tank
to the new one; my teacher recommended it to establish good bacteria in
the new tank, <This and time... likely 4-6 weeks...> so I don't
know if that gravel may have been the trigger. The new tank also has a
heater (the old one did not) set to about 70 degrees. I read on your
site that a freshwater dip could help treat the velvet, but I've never
done a dip before and I'm scared to try something that could overstress
an already stressed fish. <Good> Could you give me some specific
instructions on how to do a freshwater dip, or tell me about a more
effective remedy for my problem? <Test kits...> (Note that I
also have three small marine snails in the tank) I'd really also like
your opinion on what's going on in my tank to make my fish so sick; if I
ever get new ones I want to make sure they don't have to go through
this. Is there a cleaner organism I could add to help water quality? The
tank's specific gravity is about 1.017 <Too low> (if the plastic
hydrometer is accurate) and I don't know the pH. Thanks for your help.
~KC Wade <First comes love? Nope... First comes knowledge... how to
go about educating yourself? Are you inclined to learn from reading? If
so, start here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/filtration/biological/biofiltr.htm
then the linked files above... not all... just enough till you
understand. Bob Fenner>
Cloudy <Asfur> eye problem 1/16/07 Hello Crew: <Eric>
Happy 2007! I would like to ask for your expert diagnosis of this
particular case... hope you all can help me a little bit. please
see the attachment. <See it> I have an Asfur Angel fish,
QTed it for 20 days and was put into my FOWLR 5 days ago. 3 days
later it developed cloudy eye, so I first dipped it with FW and
formalin+paraguard. <Didn't I respond to this recently? This
problem is unilateral correct? One-sided?> During dipping, I
noticed 15-20 tiny little circular "stuffs" appeared on both eyes,
and also behind the fins next to the gills, these "stuffs" are
circular, about3-3.5mm across, like hanging onto the fish. I scrub
most of them off the fish gently <You're joking... please tell
me> with a toothbrush in the dips, but the cloudy eye was
pretty severe. I could see 3-4 of them attached onto that eye.
for the next couple of days I have dipped it once a day with
formalin+paraguard in FW. all other "stuffs" have gone from the
fish's body but the cloudy eye still remain, although it is getting
a "little bit" better, I would like to know a couple things: 1.
what are those circular stuff? and is it contagious? <Is highly
likely the fishes cornea... please stop scraping, dipping> 2.
what would be the best remedy to treat the cloudy eye? I am
currently dipping it once a day and lowering salinity in QT... is
there additional things I should be doing? <To do your best at
providing an optimized, stable setting... nutrition> 3. for
ID-ing disease, can you please suggest me some readings/books and a
place for me to purchase a microscope? <A QX5... see the Net...
and Ed Noga's Fish Disease, Diagnosis and Treatment to start with>
thank you very much! Eric <No more scraping, dipping... or
I'll hope you're reincarnated as a pet-fish! Bob Fenner> | 
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Koran Angelfish melting like the wicked-witch 1/13/07 Hello:
<Hi Beth, Graham T. with you tonight> I have about a 2.5 years old
Koran Angelfish that over the past year has slowly been losing it's
color and fins. It has lost most of its fins but is still able to swim
around and eats well. <Sad story so far...> I have had the water
checked and is fine. <Mmmm... fine. I read that a lot here on WWM.
Usually closely followed by, "Fine is a relative term. Can you be more
specific?" You need to include some numbers here, and invest in some
kits for more accurate/frequent testing.> It is a 55 gallon tank
with only a Clownfish in with it. What could be causing this and is it
treatable? Attached is a picture. <Oh my GOD! That poor fish...
what a shame. A whole year he has been rotting away like that? Let me
start with what I see in the background, and speculate with what I don't
see. Plastic plants and the large shell are actually poor choices for
decor in a mini-reef. (Big shells are known to cause more problems than
their attractiveness is worth.) Was this setup based on a
freshwater-to-saltwater conversion? If so, you may not know that there
are many freshwater substrates and decorations that are totally
unsuitable for marine use, due to saltwater's corrosive nature. To
maintain a successful marine aquarium, you need to have some basic
test-kits to allow for frequent and reliable testing of water quality,
mainly ammonia, nitrite, nitrate Ph and specific gravity. Many are
discouraged from the hobby by the impression that you need a doctorate
in chemistry to achieve this success. While the degree certainly gives
you a clean grasp of the fundamentals (and more) of what's going on in
you tank, the basics are all you need to know. Remember where these
animals come from: clear pure waters. Please reply with any specifics
you are able to provide about your system including filtration,
skimming, presence/amount of liverock/live sand, frequency and
composition of water changes, and ANY test results you have, including
but not limited to salinity (specific gravity), ammonia, nitrite,
nitrate, and Ph for starters. I want you to get the fastest turn-around
on your replies from WWM, so I grabbed this email as soon as I saw it.
*BUT* I am not the best qualified crewer to answer questions about
treatment of pathogens, so I may hand this off on it's return if I
suspect something other than environmental by your reply. I apologize
for my shocked response to your poor angel, but it seems that a year of
this wasting away is just bit long and, frankly, awful. -Graham T.>
Thanks, Beth | 
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If Adding Salt, One Must Also Add Knowledge... 1/11/07
Hi <Hello John, Mich here.> after owning and maintaining a
freshwater tank for three years, I decided to try a marine tank.
<Welcome to the briny world.> I set it up, and did what I think was
doing everything right. <How did you know what to do?> But about
a week later, every living thing in the tank died at the same time.
<Sorry for your loss.> Six creatures died. <That's a big loss.>
I was wondering if you could tell me what happened. <Well, more
information would be helpful, but with what you provided, my assumption
is that you did not cycle your tank and your animals died because of
this. Unfortunately, their death may have been caused by your
ignorance. The concentration of toxic ammonia would be peaking after
about a week, which would fall into you time frame. Nitrite, which is
also toxic to livestock would soon follow. Generally it takes at least
a month to go through this process. How much reading have you
done? There are many differences between freshwater and saltwater
aquarium keeping. If you want to venture in the marine world, you will
need to make a big commitment to educating yourself to the system
requirements and the livestock in your care. My first recommendation to
you would be to read a book called "The Conscientious Marine Aquarist"
by Robert M. Fenner. If you only buy one book this is the one to
buy. There is also a tremendous amount of useful information on this
website. Here is a list of some suggested readings. When you've
finished the list, please realize that this is merely drops in a bucket
and that you must continue to educate yourself to the complexities of
this hobby.
http://wetwebmedia.com/fw2mar.htm
http://wetwebmedia.com/marineSetUp.htm
http://wetwebmedia.com/marsetupii.htm
http://wetwebmedia.com/AqBizSubWebIndex/marsetupho.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/filtration/biological/biofiltr.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/estbiofiltmar.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_2/cav2i5/Filtration/Filtration.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/quaranti.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/QuarMarFishes.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_3/cav3i4/quarantine/Quarantine.htm
<Good luck to you, Mich> John Heelyer Maroon Clown Fish's Face
is Rotting Off!?! Env. dis. 12/19/06 Hello-
Looked through questions on your site and couldn't find one that
mentioned this particular problem. I have a pretty large (4-5 inch)
maroon clown. He was healthy as could be in my 55 gallon with only one
other resident (a porcupine puffer). <Incompatible... and not enough
space for a Diodontid...> Tank parameters are fine, feeding and
breathing habits, all fine. I noticed what looked like a gill infection
about 2 months ago. It seemed to be spreading from the inside out in
sporadic bumps. They open up into cauliflower like growths, and then he
loses skin around the area. He is now literally missing skin and the
rest is shredded and torn up. <Environmental in cause/cure> In
the beginning, I took him to where I got him and asked their advice.
They said it was an infection and to treat him in a hospital tank.
<... dismal> Which I did, for a week. NO improvement. I treated him
with an anti-bacterial. Then gave it a rest and treated him with an
anti-parasitic. <Why?> A freshwater dip merely stressed him out,
and didn't change anything, either. Putting him back in the main tank
seemed to help him out for a couple days, but alas, he is now worse than
ever. He is swimming around and eating and breathing fine. No lethargy
or any other signs of sickness. I am thinking this is just a chronic
viral infection. <...> Could it be that he got this from eating
a bad clam that I had unknowingly put in the tank? How can I help him
out? I don't know what else to try?? <What re your set-up,
maintenance, water quality tests, testing? Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marenvdi.htm and the linked files
above. Bob Fenner> Power Outage/Oxygen Loss - 10/28/06
Hello, <<Howdy>> Last weekend, a fuse blew in the room where I
keep my aquarium. My girlfriend came home from work to find the
temperature at 73 degrees (I keep it at 79) and all the fish gasping
near the surface. <<Lack of oxygen...either the power had been of
for quite some time or the tank has an excessive bioload>> She
turned everything back on and the fish came down from the surface and
the temperature gradually rose back to normal (I realize that a slower
increase in temperature would have been preferable, but I wasn't
available to deal with the situation at the time). <<I see>> I
came back after being out of town for 3 days to find that my pygmy angel
had been killed by ich (no surprise) and my red general star was pretty
much just a pile of goo. <<Hmm...I wouldn't think a temporary drop
to 73-degrees to be all that problematic. I have heard of/experienced
lower drops during extended power outages without loss of life>>
What I'm concerned about now is that my snowflake eel and my Sargassum
frogfish are both still very lethargic and not eating (the temperature
drop/rise happened 5 days ago). The eel barely comes out of the rocks;
but when he does, he seems very weak and sluggish--and not at all
interested in any food I offer. The frogfish has been laying around on
the bottom--often on his side--gasping regularly and not eating. Is
there anything I can do besides sit and wait at this point? How long
should I expect for it to take for them to return to normal if they're
going to recover? <<I think there is something else wrong
here. Have you performed any ammonia/nitrite testing? The fact your
fish were gasping at the surface suggests massive oxygen depletion, I'm
betting your biological filter was severely damaged and the fish are
being poisoned. A series of large water changes and the addition of a
bacteria culture (either seeded from another healthy system or a
commercially available product) should help>> Also, the frogfish
looks pretty uncomfortable; is there a point at which I should consider
euthanizing him rather than letting him starve to death or suffocate or
something? <<Maybe, but hard to say when...do try the water
changes/bacteria first...and soon!>> The temp is back to 79, SG is
1.024, alkalinity is about 130, pH about 8.3, nitrates <10. Thanks.
<<Regards, EricR>>
Nano Reef Emergency 10/27/06
Dear Mr. Fenner, The heater in our 20 gallon nano reef
tank malfunctioned three days ago. The temperature went from
82 degrees to 95 degrees. We noticed this in the morning. As soon as
we did, we took steps to correct it. We replaced the heater and
floated a bag filled with ice in the tank, as instructed by my LFS.
<Mmm... better (unless organisms were obviously dying...) to let the
temp. return slowly...> I had to leave immediately afterwards, on a
previously scheduled 3 day vacation with my parents. The tank was left
in the care of a person who is knowledgeable about salt water
aquariums. Upon my return, I found almost everything dead or dying,
except for my two ocellaris clown fish and a yellow tail blue
damsel fish. I have yet to see the Firefish. <These are
inappropriately placed here> My question is, is there anything I
can do to save any of the corals? Here is a list of corals that I
have. 1 pagoda cup coral
1 Lobophyllia 1 hairy mushroom
1 xenia several small colonies of star
polyps several small mushrooms Most of the corals
look beyond hope. As a warning to anyone who has or is
thinking about buying a heater. DO NOT GET AN AQUATIC
GARDENS BRAND!!!!!!! I will everything I can to save any of
the corals, considering the combined value of them exceeded $400.
I appreciate any help or information that you can give me. Thanks
for the help, Michael <Mmm, thank you for the warning. Do search
WWM re temperature/thermal stress... Heat/Heating Marine Systems... read
the FAQs files. Ideally, moving all the life to larger, new
circumstances... Bob Fenner>
Query Yellow Wrasse & Cleaner
Wrasse... mis-stocked reef on its way to the big ex-hobbyist garage in
the sky 10/3/06 Hello WWM Team, I am Hitesh
from Mumbai India. I got a 48\"x15\"x24\" with 55kgs Live Rocks
cleaned by Venturi type skimmer....2 power heads for circulation
(3000L/Hr) Lighting - 1 no Metal Halide (Blue Radium) 75W 20000K, 2 NOs
36W PL 10000KInverts - Boxer Shrimp / Candy Shrimp / Whine Shrimp (2
NOs) / <Wonder what this is> Anemone Shrimps 2 pairs / 3
Anemones / <Trouble...> 1 no Mushroom rock / 4 polyp rocks / 4
leather corals / 2 daisy corals / 1 cauliflower coral / 1 brain coral /
1 sea fan / 6 feather dusters S - 2 NOs Regals / 1 Maroon Gold Band / 2
Skunks / 1 Pseudochromis / 1 blue devil / 2 yellow goby\'s / 1 three
striped damsel / 1 cleaner wrasse / 1 yellow wrasse. Coming to my
question - I have recently added 1 yellow wrasse , i was acclimatizing
it in a container above my tank , when i returned i saw the container
empty!! <Jumped!> i searched in vain that whole evening in the
nooks and crevices of the tank ... i was just praying that the yellow
wrasse may have jumped in the tank while acclimatizing and survived...
The following morning the yellow wrasse appeared and i was glad ..it was
eating too! it was swimming the whole day until it disappeared again by
evening (even though the 2 NOs PL lights were on) it didn't appear in
early morning today during my feed time....am worried...am in office now
and hoping to see it swimming when am back home late evening. Question 2
- I had also purchased a cleaner wrasse which was also introduced
simultaneously, <Labroides sp.? Poor choice> it never took into
hiding and kept swimming the whole day till it vanished in the evening
30 minutes after the yellow wrasse vanished. It hasn't appeared today
morn whilst feeding... Is this normal? <To die mysteriously? Yes>
In case they hide in evening how do they get to know its evening
considering the lights still on! Lights MH and 1 PL on from 7 am morn to
7 pm evening and post 7 pm 2 Pls on till 10pm then no lights till morn.
feeding time 7 am and 7 pm <Where to start...? You have an
incompatible mix of Anemones and other Cnidarian species... and too much
period for such a small volume of water. Please take a read re the
species listed on WWM (use the indices, search tool)... re their
Compatibility, Systems... Is there a full moon out or what? Bob Fenner>
Twitching clowns... Lots of cute names... for incompatible,
over-stocked, soon-to-be-dead marines. Ho-buoy! Almost past-time to read
10/3/06 Hello Bob I'm a new comer with a query. I have a
small tank of 38 litres, 2.5 kilos of live rock, 1 anemone about
3inches circumference (called Fats), 1 bubble anemone 1 1/2 inches
circumference (called Mr. Willys) <Anemones are largely incompatible
cross-species... no matter what they're named> 1 star fish (called
Miss Movie Star) 1 ocellaris clown (Snoopy 2.5cms long) for this
time. but only 2 months ago added Fats because he never went in to the
Mr. Willys). Once I got Fats he seemed happy and complete so after a
couple of weeks I added one tiny domino damsel (Spots 1cm long),
<Let's call him Mr. Biggee, the Terminator> which he constantly
chased around the tank. Snoopy was getting more and more aggressive
so I purchased another ocellaris yesterday (Tony - 2.5cm long). <Too
much...> Now Tony is the boss of the tank chasing snoopy away from
Fats, they locked jaws fighting for the first few hours on off
yesterday. Today doesn't seem as bad but Tony chases Snoopy constantly
and they both do this twitching movement on there side (Snoopy does it
more) Tony is forcing Snoopy behind the rock and then returns to Fats
only for a few seconds then hangs around Snoopy and back and forth it
goes. Snoopy is a bit ragged today and doesn't look happy. Snoopy tries
to return to Fats but Tony is on to him and doesn't let him stay for
long and then with the twitching again. Is Tony going to get him or
what's going on. Thanks Terri-Anne <You have too much and
incompatible life here... Please read re Anemone Compatibility:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anemcompfaqs.htm Clownfish
Compatibility, Dascyllus Comp.... look these up for yourself. You need
to either have a much larger system (tens of times what you have), more
systems... or to return some of this livestock. BobF>
Help
Required ... Env. dis. No useful info. 9/4/06
Recently i have been having eye problems with some of my fish. What's
happening is some of them develop a plastic film over there eye.
<Environmental...> Not sure if this problem can spread to the other
fish. Tank is in good shape, also have Deltec skimmer, with ozone,
<What's your RedOx potential measure?> and running Chemi-Pure
through a small canister. Any help most welcome. Regards Alan
<... Other water tests? A list of species involved... the order of their
having troubles... Insufficient info. presented... other than to tell
you that this issue is highly likely iatrogenic. Bob Fenner>
Star Polyp Color Loss... Allelopathy in a crowded, small, mis-stocked
nano 9/2/06 Hello Crew: <Richard> I am
writing to you concerning a very odd star polyp issue. First, my tank:
10Gal Nano - 2 inch sand bed, 17lbs live rock - 8 months old 55 Gal
Power Filter (set 1/4 on) - run one side with carbon constantly 1 20
Gal Power Head Heat at 78 - fluctuates 77-79 96Watt Aqualight
50/50 PC Weekly - Biweekly 1 gallon water change C-Balance every
2-3 days <With testing...> Liquid Calcium every 2-3 days
(alternate from C-Balance) PH Buffer 2 times/week <Dittos>
Ammonia - 0 Nitrite - 0 Nitrate ~0 PH 8.2-8.3 Calcium -
300-350 (a bit low but it just seems that this tank stays low)
Phosphate - 0 Mates: -Percula Clown Fish -Linckia Star Fish
(Didn't realize at the time that 10 gal is too small - I think he is
hungry and appears to be shrinking, but I'm cycling a 37 that he can
move into soon). <Still too small...> -Blue Maxima Clam 2"
-Teardrop Clam 2" <... these Tridacnids are misplaced here> -3
Blue Hermits -4 Astrea Snails -Xenia - 2 types -Button
Polyps - many colors -Ricordea - 3 heads -Mushrooms
-Toadstool Coral )Getting big now! -Star Polyps I feed the clown
flakes - he will eat out of my hands which is cool. I feed DTs twice per
week for the clams, and feed frozen Cyclop-eeze to the star polyps 2
times/week. Absolutely everything is the tank is growing at a great
rate (except the starfish). Now to my question: The star polyps were
given to me by one of the guys at my LFS (just tore off a piece growing
on the sand!). The polyps have white centers with long green tentacles.
The underling color is brown. Ever since I've had them, they have grown
at an amazing rate. <... dangerous in such a small volume> They
have never had any problems opening fully and continue to grow like
crazy. However, over the past 3 months, the green color has been
disappearing from the tentacles (leaving them brown). Now the green
color is nearly completely gone. I read one forum article where a
respondent stated that it may be that if the animal isn't being fed
enough that the symbiotic algae was taking over the feeding chore -
providing energy for the coral and as a result, changing the pigment
through sheer reproductive growth. This seemed to make since and I
increased feedings of Cyclop-eeze to no avail. Any ideas would be
appreciated. Thanks for the great articles and FAQs. Rich in
Holly Springs NC. <You need to invest in a much larger system...
Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/polypcompfaqs.htm and the linked
files above. You have a classic case of allelopathy going on here...
will result in a crash... soon. Bob Fenner>
Not Very
Successful, no apostrophes? Small reef, mis- and over-stocked, about to
crash 8/29/06 Hello. I read your web page frequently.
I've had a 20 gallon saltwater aquarium for approx 10 months. I've had
many things occur that I wasn't prepared for. After battling everything
thus far the tank has zero nitrates, zero ammonia, zero nitrites, low
phosphates, never tested silicas, 350-400 calcium, 12 dKH, 8.2 ph,
salinity 32, and temp stays at 78F. I change the water weekly with 20
percent DI water and Red Sea salt mix and Prime. It has 65 watts of
total light from two 20K with one actinic T5s and is of the shallow
variety. <?> The lights are on for 10 hrs a day. I think I made
a mistake in buying the SeaClone150 Skimmer. <Fine for this small
system> Of course I only discovered that reading your web page AFTER
I bought the thing. It doesn't really skim anything. Its better at
making a protein layer on the surface that must be broken down! Which I
do. Also an AquaClear hang on the back filter that has mechanical
filter, carbon (in two weeks out 2 weeks), and poly fiber. Two 600
powerheads provide the current. It has: toadstool, mushrooms, sun
polyps, yellow polyps, brown polyps, frogspawn, <A bunch of
Cnidarian species for such a small tank> feather duster, royal
urchin, peppermint shrimp, brittle sea star, hermit crabs, snails, and
amphipods. I've had flatworms, eradicating them with FWE. Unfortunately
I found your site after I had set up the tank, so I made
another mistake of using crushed coral as the substrate, although it
isn't deep. I have 21lbs of live rock. I have a red slime issue.
Mostly accumulates on the substrate in high current. I've used the
medication and followed the directions with no luck. Slows it down,
but it builds back up. Also hair algae. It doesn't grow tall on my live
rock even though I can see a green hue on the rocks. <These algae
issues are thoroughly gone over on WWM> It also mostly grows tall on
the substrate and some small rocks. It looks like the toadstool is
synching its stem and receding from the bottom. <Allelopathy...>
Its polyps go in and out and it changes shapes frequently. The
frogspawn recently started dropping arms and I noticed the skin around
the branch was receded in slightly but still hanging on. That was a few
days ago and it has ceased dropping arms and doesn't expand too much
except for a big stinger from the middle. Im currently setting up a
hospital tank. <Not what's needed... see below> I turned down
the current around the frogspawn to none. The snails are dying, they
just stop moving. I put 8 in along with 4 hermit crabs to help with the
algae. All the other creatures are fine. <Mmm, not for long> The
mushrooms even multiply frequently, I see molts. The feather duster has
also lost and regrown his feather twice, is that good or bad?
<Indicative> I feed DTs every other day by using a baster and
squirting the corals directly with no flow. Also using Reef Plus
and Reef complete. What am I doing wrong here? Thanks! -reefjunkee
<... Your too-small system is "aging", the incompatible life therein
poisoning each other... You could/can do a few things... the route is up
to you... Get a much larger system, add a refugium... take out some of
the more noxious organisms... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompfaqs.htm and here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/smmarsysstkgfaqs.htm and the linked files
above. Bob Fenner> Water Parameters and New Lights (Please
reply) ... Dangerous Cnid. mix, troubles ahead... RMF feeling the
need... the need to READ! 8/29/06 Hi Guys, <And ladies
here...> I want to thank you all for sharing your wisdom and
willingness to assist us via the web and emails. <Welcome> I use
this service every time I have a question about my system and it never
fails to address my concerns! On with my diatribe. Tank Specs
55 gallon system (standard 48x18x12) <Mmm, used to be 13 inches
outside...> 2x65watt 50/50 Current USA Satellite (Upgrading this
week to 4x96watt 6000K/10000k <> Dual actinic 420/460) 40lbs. Live
Rock 30 lbs. Live Sand Fluval 304 (Carbon, Kent Phosphate
Sponge, Bio-Max, Pre-filter) SeaClone Skimmer 200 watt
Submersible Heater 600gph Maxi-jet (Top Left corner blowing Low
Right) 400gph Maxi-jet (Top Right corner blowing Low Left)
Corals (Common Names) Red Mushrooms Blue Mushrooms 10
Ricordeas Orange Zoos Green Zoos Dark Green Zoos Green
Brain Red Brain Yellow Corky Finger Gorgonian Blastomussa
merleti Orange Sponge <Not easily kept> Candy Cane Coco
Worm Green Feather Worm Golden Polyps Sun Coral Torch
Coral Hammer Coral Waiving Xenia Purple Tube Anemone <A
Cerianthus? Not compatible...> Pink Carnation <Really? Quite a
mix of cnidarians> Fish and Inverts: (Common Names. Assumes 1 of
each unless otherwise specified) 6-Line Japanese Wrasse
Green Coris Wrasse Yellow Coris Wrasse Carpenter Wrasse
Seabay Clown Tomato Clown Domino Damsel Sailfin Tang
Rusty Angel Cleaner Shrimp Blood Shrimp Sandsifter Starfish
Serpent Star 20 Blue Legged Hermits 10 Red Legged Hermits 10
Astrea Snails 3 Mexican Snails Sally foot Crab 4 Emerald
Crabs Last Water Test (August 27th 2006) Salinity: 1.024
Ammonia: 0.25 ppm Nitrite: 0.25 ppm <These last two... should be
zip> Nitrate: 10 ppm Calcium: 340 mg/L ppm Alkalinity: 5
mEq/L Maintenance Schedule Calcium: Daily Iodine: Daily
<Mmm... would only add about once a week... or measure often>
Strontium: Every 4 days <Likely unnecessary> Essential Elements:
Bi-Weekly Reef Buffer: Weekly Water Changes: Weekly on Saturdays
(5 Gallons) Siphoning: Weekly Media Rinse: Weekly in old
saltwater Skimmer: All the time unless feeding Water Tests:
Twice Weekly (Once while illuminated and once while dark on separate
days) Media Exchange (Carbon-Monthly, Bio-Max-Quarterly,
Pre-filter-Quarterly, Kent Phosphate Sponge-Weekly) Feeding Schedule
Formula One Marine Pellet: Daily Seafood Cocktail: Every other day (I
make this using the following ingredients and target feed corals)
Mysis Shrimp Brine Shrimp Cyclop-Eeze Zooplex Microvert
ChromaPlex PhytoPlex I have had this tank up and running for
almost one year and have had a pretty good deal of success with very
minimal deaths. All of which were early on! The Coralline Algae growth
is beautiful and not overbearing as I've read it can be in some systems.
I don't have many of the issues that I read about such as nasty
hitchhikers, temperature spikes/drops, Cyano (Red Slime) but I do get
the occasional brownish/orange algae on the sand bed. What algae is this
and what will reduce it? <Very likely mostly BGA/Cyanobacteria...
see WWM re> As good as things have been I still have a few issues
that sprang up out of nowhere. Wouldn't you know it. the winds of change
are upon me and recently I have been experiencing the fact that I cannot
keep the water quality where I want it! Although the parameters NEVER
exceed what you see listed above, they tend to hover around that same
mark. I thought it may have been overstocking <Is mostly...
that/this and insufficient filtration> issue but that was never an
issue before and I have had these fish for over 6 months. <They've
grown... and your hard substrates have lost surface area and solubility>
My maintenance schedule is very regimented and I've always follow what
was working for so long but I think that I need to add or remove some
steps and/or additives because the parameters are just not quite right
and may be contributing to some other issues. Can you please add some
tips about what I written that may or may not be working for me based
upon the specs I've listed above or below? <Mmm, what you really
need is a much larger system... with a sump/refugium... much more live
rock...> I recently read on your site that keeping Yellow Finger
Gorgonian is not recommended. I was shocked to read this given the
number of these that are being sold everywhere here in South Florida.
<Easy to collect nearby> How sad that we are raping the sea of these
beautiful creatures to put them to death this way. I was reluctant to
buy this coral <Mmm, not really a coral... a Sea Fan> to begin
with after my experience with a Purple Frilly Gorgonian dying but after
I lost the first one and now am worried about losing the second, it is
fair to say that again, you were definitely correct. These are not very
easy to keep and I fear that may be impacting my water trying to feed
this guy. Reading that they are doomed to death was good to know but
between him and the Carnation Coral (also struggling, I have spent a lot
of time feeding recently and still cannot get positive results from
these two. Are there any specific foods you would suggest and/or feeding
schedule they should be on that are not already being fed? <Mmm, you
are doing very well to have kept these this long... likely in part due
to the "insufficient filtration" along with your diligent efforts at
feeding. Again... a refugium is the single best chance for
improvement... along with larger quarters> Additionally, I have some
polyps (considered in the hobby as "easy to keep") that are starting to
wither away also. Is this some sort of cyclical occurrence being that
they are the oldest ones in the tank? <To some extent... but
more/mostly "succession"... with "winners" winning out over "losers"
allelopathogenically> I cannot pinpoint what the issue is but I am
losing Brown Buttons Polyps and Star Polyps and cannot revive them
either. My water parameters are not that "off" the desirable levels so
it is even more difficult to pinpoint. The Torch, Mushrooms (still
spreading like crazy), other newer Polyps, Brains, Blasto Merleti, and
Sponge are doing really well and opening up quite nicely. Do you
have any suggestions about what the issues may be? <Yes. Please read
here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompfaqs.htm> Is it water related in
your opinion or could lack of adequate lighting be an issue? <Mmm, a
few things... read the linked files above the above referent> The
lights in the current fixture are 50/50's and produce 130 watts but are
about 11 months old. Could they have lost their effectiveness? <To
some extent> Could it be lack of proper flow seeing that I use
600gph and 400gph Maxi-jet's only? <Not nearly as important a factor
as the size/volume, mix of organisms...> I was thinking about
increasing my flow by ditching the two lesser flow Maxi-Jet's and
getting 3-1200gph Maxi Jet's instead with those rotating flow tips that
simulate tidal changes...any suggestions about this? <Mmm, I would
not do this... too likely to have no discernible improvement...>
Note: I recently started using water from Glacier (you know, the Clear
Blue 5 gallon drinking canisters) bought at a vending machine in my
local grocery store to do water changes and mixing in the Instant Ocean
salts. I did this instead of using my home water (home water was found
it to be loaded with undesirables). Although the sign on the machine
states that it is filtered RO/DI water, not kept in copper vats, UV
sterilized, etc. coupled with the fact that all of the tests I ran on it
came back favorably, I'm wondering if this water is a problem somehow. I
am now considering using seawater collected from a local reef (about 10
miles off shore) and then sold at a very reputable dealer here in
Florida even though the cost is considerably higher per gallon and they
are located (as Shrek would say) "Far Far Away, Donkey!" <... see
WWM re this issue as well. Not suggested> Do you have any
suggestions about using seawater or any experience regarding the Glacier
water? There is also an "oil" slick collecting at the top of the water
and I don't have anything to break the surface and Maxi-jet's just
aren't good for this. Should I employ a surface skimmer or some other
agitator to better the gas exchange and could this be a contributing
factor? <All covered on WWM... the search tool, indices...>
Lastly, I just ordered 4x96 Orbit Power Compacts and am going to get rid
of the 2x65 Satellite's. The new lights have been well reviewed by what
I've read and I anticipate that they will be much better than the old
lights. <I predict they will likely bring about a crash in your
system... You need to READ my friend... you have an extremely
incompatible mix of life (the Cnidarians mostly)... and changing the
light make up will shift too much too soon the metabolism of some over
others... resulting in their poisoning the less favored...> Those
were good at keeping everything healthy and alive but nothing seemed to
grow. By the same token, most of my corals have done fairly well with
them so I'm a little scared to change. I don't have heat problems
generally associated with hotter, higher wattage lighting units and have
not needed a chiller as a result. Do you think that I may have heat
issues now with the new lights? <Almost assuredly> How about the
algae. will it be harder to control with stronger lights? Oh yeah, can I
grow any SPS or clams so long as they are high in the tank? <...>
I do realize that there will be an acclimation period for the corals to
adjust to the new lighting but am not sure how to go about acclimation
due to the fact that the tank is very meticulously "aquascaped" and
corals have started growing on rocks that I cannot move without ruining
the design. I absolutely care more about the fish and corals thank I do
the rock formation but it was a PITA to do it this way and I really
don't want to take it down if at all possible in fear that I can never
get it back this way. Are there any other methods to acclimate the tank
to the new lighting without having to move too many corals or depriving
them of the amount of light they need in a given day? Will reducing the
number of hours per day the lights are on for a period of time allow the
corals adjust and if so, will you please offer any tips about how long
I should run my new lamps and in what intervals. Also, please note which
corals should be moved or shaded. I don't want to shock my critters or
corals by almost quadrupling their lighting overnight. Do you have any
recommendations about how to proceed with this upgrade? Thank you so
much for your assistance!!! Regards, Gerald V. Catalano
<Have just skipped down... Please... read... Bob Fenner>
Something truly Horrible is going on in my tank. Please advise.
Terrible mis-mix, too-soon/overcrowding... - 09/14/06
Hello, Thanks for reading, I'll start with the long description
(sorry so long): Tank and "landscape": *55gal (standard
dimensions) *~60+ lbs of LR *~3-4 inch live sand bed
Filtration: *10% water changes every week. *Rena XP3
canister filter (not my favorite, but I was in desperate need of an
upgrade with short notice... would love to upgrade to a sump system
with a refugium, but my tank's stand is separated down the middle
underneath) <Mmm, might consider placing somewhere else...>
(rated at 350 gph) *MarineLand Emperor 400 hang on filter (my
original filter during initial LR cycle... still installed in
addition to the Rena) (rated to 400gph... yeah right...) *400gph
power head (forgot the brand) *NOTE - lack of a skimmer... will
soon be getting a Aqua C Remora hang-on skimmer. I've heard good
things. <Good> Lighting: *Coralife AqualightPro - 2x
150W HQI + 2x 96W Actinic + Moonlight LEDs *HQI's are on for ~10
hours per day *Actinics are on for ~1.5 hours before and after
the 10k's *Moonlights on all night (is this correct???) <Is
fine... I would leave on for the hours you're about mostly... if
there's some other minimum light otherwise present in the room>
Test Results (chemistry): Temp - 76 F Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrate - 10ppm Nitrite - 0ppm Spec.Grav - 1.023 Calcium
- 450ppm + (added with Kalk mixture by slow drip) pH - 8.3 I
also add iodine, Stront. and mal., and trace elements Motile
Inhabitants: (NEW means added within the last 3-4 months)
*Snowflake Moray Eel (under 1.5 feet long... guess would be 13
inches) <Will be too large for this volume> *Green Brittle
Star (huge... he'd be easily over a foot diameter at the arm tips if
you stretched him out) <Predaceous> *Two Barred Rabbitfish,
(Siganus Virgatus) (*NEW*) <... will need more room... if not
now> *Six Lined Wrasse (*NEW*) *Condy (Haitian Pink-Tip
Anemone) (*NEW*) <Misplaced with the eel> *Lawnmower Blenny
*Diamond Watchman Goby *15 or so hermit crabs *8 big Turbo
Snails *5 Bumble Bee Snails *3 Sand Sifting Starfish
*Purple Spiny Urchin (he's lazy and hides almost all the time...
never goes on the substrate) (would gladly bring him back to the
LFS if incompatible though) Sessile Inhabitants:
*Tridacna Squamosa Clam (5 inches) *Galaxea Coral (*NEW*)
*Button polyp (literally one... it's a frag) (*NEW*) *oyster
with striped mushrooms all over it (*NEW*) *green finger leather
(*NEW*) *frogspawn (*NEW*) *Ricordea mushroom (*NEW*)
<Future troubles with allelopathy with this mix>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ok, sorry for the long intro,
but I wanted to make sure you had ALL the info I could possibly give
you. Thank you for looking at my e-mail, I am in dire need of
advice. I discovered recently (4 days ago) that my snowflake
moray had some terrible wounds. <Ah, yes... likely from
scratches, stings from all the hard invertebrates, cnidarians> I
don't see him that often as he usually hides under a large piece of
liverock so it is hard to say when they first presented. There is
one massive laceration midway down his back followed by two smaller
ones into his dorsal fin. All are evenly spaced about 1.5 inches
apart. The main wound has since caused the skin to turn white in a
band reaching around his body to his stomach on his right side. My
first thoughts were that he had gotten "stuck" in my Squamosa
clam... but the wounds were on his back... and the spacing isn't
right for the scutes of the clam. Secondary thoughts included that
he tried to burrow under a rock and caused the wounds himself (he is
quite a burrower), or that the new Rabbitfish "got" him with his
spines. Last night I spotted my green brittle star climbing for
the top of the tank (unusual for him, he usually never moves from
"his" rock) after the halides had turned off and saw that he too had
horrible looking open wounds (you could see right through his body).
<Trouble... in this tank en toto> The only *known* option I can
see that could cause both wounds would be the Rabbitfish. <Mmm,
no... much more likely the entire system is in mis-arrears> I
knew Rabbitfish stings were horribly painful, but I am unaware if
they cause flesh decay or recession. Could this be the case or do I
have some horrible parasite or something. It would seem odd that a
parasite would attack both an eel and an echinoderm though, yes?
<Agreed> These injuries are truly terrible looking and I need to
isolate the cause and eliminate it ASAP. I can't stand seeing my
pets in this condition, I was sick to my stomach all night.
Thank you again, Eric <... read quickly on WWM re the
Compatibility of each species/genus listed above, separate these
animals just as quickly... you need two tanks for what you list, or
one very large one (hundreds of gallons). Bob Fenner> | 
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Re: Something truly Horrible is going on in my tank. Please advise.
9/15/06 Thanks for the response Bob! <Welcome Eric> I
pulled the snowflake out and put him into QT the other day. <A good
start> He'll likely be going back to the LFS if/when he gets better.
I'm trying to move more toward a reef tank instead of focusing on
vertebrates and motile inverts... and he is most likely going to get
himself killed or kill other things. <Yes... very likely>
Unfortunately I had to euthanize the brittle star in the freezer.
<This is/was best I assure you> His disk was nearly completely gone
last night when I got home and he wasn't moving at all. I will
remove the Condy as soon as I can get at him easily since he has already
decided to climb on top of the Galaxea and nearly died from the stings.
<Yes... Oculinids are the big/gest "winners" in such encounters> I
added the skimmer (Aqua C Remora w./ Maxi-Jet 1200) about two months
ago. (sorry, I copied the list of equipment from an earlier e-mail
because I was in a hurry and worried about my inhabitants. The occupants
list is 100% up to date though). <I see> Am I interpreting
properly that the skimmer should *help* cut down on the allelopathy
issues by removing a good amount of the contaminants? <Yes, but not
sufficient to "turn the tide here"... need more room... chemical
filtration, the use of live macro-algae (best in a tied-in refugium...>
I use a good bit of carbon (about four cups worth in one filter, two
cups worth in the other). <Wow! Of high quality? This is a bunch!>
Should I add PolyFilters to help remove contaminants as well? Do they
really DO anything? <Yes and yes> Upon more thoroughly reading
the compatibility sections related to these corals I have determined
that the Green Finger Leather is the most noxious, <Correct> but
that, the Corallimorphs are right up there with it, <Close seconds>
and that the Galaxea, polyps and the Zoa's are also very toxic...
<Bingo> I've been looking around, is there a chart or a scale for
this sort of thing? <I do wish there was. Not as far as I'm aware...
Would be great (hint, hint) if someone were to assemble one... sell as
an article...> I'd like to have happy inhabitants, but I can't
figure out who is more toxic than who, who threatens who more, or who to
remove from the system. <Ahh!> Everything I read seems to
suggest that they are all a danger to each other. <This is fairly
accurate... there are only some general approaches one can take... start
with small specimens, less "stingy" ones first, not add much more up to
a point...> Could you make some quick suggestions? <Mmm, a boat
load... they are part and parcel WWM> One thing I noticed while
reading through the FAQ's today is that starting all corals as small
colonies and allowing them to "grow up" together can help dull chemical
sensitivity issues. <Yes, this is so> None of my coral
inhabitants are of significant size except for the Galaxea (about 3 inch
diameter) and there is easily 8 inches between each specimen. Any chance
they could grow up happy together? <Always a chance, chances>
Thanks again. I'm going to continue reading now. I gotta' figure all
this out. -Eric <Thank you for your earnest, intelligent
participation/sharing. Bob Fenner>
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