Become a Sponsor

 
Home
Information Pages:
Marine Aquarium
Articles/ FAQs
(enter words you'd like highlighted in this page)
Freshwater Aquarium
Articles/ FAQs
Planted Aquarium
Articles/ FAQs
Brackish Systems
Articles/ FAQs
Popular Pages:
Features:
Daily FAQs
FW Daily FAQs
SW Pix of the Day
FW Pix of the Day
Conscientious Aquarist Magazine
New On WWM
Helpful Links
Hobbyist Forum bb.WetWebMedia
Ask the WWM Crew a Question
Calendars
Search Feature
Admin Index
Cover Images



FAQs on Marine Environmental Disease: Poisoning; Endo- and Exo-genous; Not From Livestock

Related Articles: Environmental Disease, Establishing Nutrient CyclingMarine Water Quality, Maintenance,

Related FAQs: Environmental Disease 1, Marine Environmental Disease 2, Marine Env. Disease 3, Marine Env. Disease 4, Marine Env. Disease 5, Marine Env. Disease 6, Marine Env. Disease 7, Marine Env. Disease 8, Marine Env. Disease 9, Marine Env. Disease 10, Marine Env. Disease 11, Marine Env. Disease 12, Marine Env. Disease 13, & FAQs on Environmental Disease By Cause/Types: Environmental Deficiencies, Oxygen/Gas Problems, Mis-stocking: Psychological Challenges, (Aggressive Behavior, Territoriality, ), Physiological Challenges (e.g. Metabolites, Allelopathy, Stinging), & Troubleshooting/Fixing

Metabolites most often... sometimes endogenous rhythms, wars twixt microbes... Metals, oh yeah... And a biggie: so-called "fish medicines"... There are a bunch of bogus ones about, that won't treat much of anything, but can/do interrupt nitrification...

Major Problem/Bleach Poisoning 9/8/09
Hello,
<Hello TenASea>
I had a major disaster, my husband was adding top off water to my tank and accidentally added bleach water,
<May God have mercy on his soul.>
within about an hour or so I noticed all my fish were dead. It was not a small amount of bleach...as soon as
this was realized (about 2 hrs after incident) I began pulling out my corals (Zoas, torch, bubbles mushrooms, etc..), clams, and inverts....lucky for me I have a small quarantine tank running and was able to move them but did not have time to acclimate to new water...my small tank is not set up to handle all the stuff in there now,,, no lights, little filtration, ...I'm not even sure if my coral and clams will live or not...but is there anything I can do now...and what needs to be done for my 125 g tank so I can add my clams back.... urgently needing help
<I would be very surprised if anything lives after that major disaster.
You have a major problem on your hands right now. Bleach will be absorbed by your rock and substrate and will be difficult to remove in it's present state. Without knowing the concentration of bleach added,
you will likely need to completely tear down the 125. My advice would be to remove the substrate and discard, empty the sea water out of the tank, refill with fresh water and filter water using a Poly Filter pad which will eventually remove the bleach from the water. Two or more pads may be needed depending on the concentration of the bleach.
Test daily with a chlorine test kit until no trace of chlorine exists.
<<All free chlorine is long gone... converted to chlorides... RMF>>
Then empty the tank and refill with fresh water and let run for another week. You will of course end up with base rock which will/can eventually be seeded by new live rock. You will essentially be starting over. Bob/crew, any input to smoothen her road?
<<You've about done it. RMF>>
James (Salty Dog)>

fish death; SW, diagnosing a toxic situation  8/7/09
Hi I need your help diagnosing a problem I have with my tank. The tank is a 120g with 50g sump Aqua-C EV 180 skimmer. Tank has been up for 3 years now and I can't keep fish alive in it.
<!?>
The most recent even was about 4 months ago I lost all my fish to what I thought was Marine velvet but ruled that out as the fish didn't have the haze over their bodies so figured it was Flukes.
<...>
I let the tank sit Fallow for 10 weeks and while this was happening I Quarantined the new fish for 4 weeks, the fish showed no signs of any disease in QT so when introduces to my DT I dipped them in ph adjusted Freshwater with Methylene Blue for 5 minutes. In the tank I put a Chocolate Tang a Kole Tang a Longnose Hawkfish a Royal Gramma and a Banggai Cardinal.
Everything seemed fine for about a week and a half then the Chocolate Tang quit being active and started to stay under an overhanging rock and wouldn't eat 2 days later dead. Then the Kole Tang was fine then about 3 days after the Mimic died the Kole started acting like it was spooked and started hiding in the rocks the next morning when the lights came on I found it dead neither fish had any visible signs of disease on their bodies or fins. The Royal Gramma did the same thing went into hiding one day and found it dead the next day. The Banggai died as well but before it did it was having a hard time hovering like they do it was kind of flicking its body to stay balanced the good thing I guess is I could get a look at the fish with a magnifying glass and all its fins were deteriorating like
something was eating them it had a whitish streak on its eye and body was partially covered with a white dusting. The Hawkfish I got out of the tank and shoes no signs of anything and I can look at him with a magnifying glass as well as he'll hover in front to see what's going on. I fed the fish Mysis, Algae sheets and homemade fish food (the recipe from the Conscientious Aquarist book). The tank has about 200lbs of live rock,50lbs live sand and more rock ,rubble and Chaeto in the refugium. Tested water regularly and S.G. is 1.026 temp constant 78f Amm 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 5.
Water changes are done 10% every other week. Please help me with my tank as this battle has been going on for about 2 years now This is the 4th time I've lost fish.
<... something is toxic in your system... Some source of poisoning exists... Likely metallic, though it could be biological... I would run a couple sheets of Polyfilter in your water flow path for a preliminary look/see (by colour) of what may be in your system... Do you have access to a store or college lab that could do some simple metal assays for you? Bob Fenner>

URGENT: Staple fell into tank!  12/11/08
Hey, guys. I email quite frequently but haven't had a problem this urgent in a long time.
<Jon>
I have a 39G tank. I accidentally dropped a staple into the back chamber.
Tried everything to remove it (mainly because I have no idea where it went).
Tried using a long car magnet to try and recover it but nothing.
<Good... better to use something a bit stronger... an algae scrubbing one...>
Just wondering, will this have seriously deleterious effects on the tank or should doing a few decently large water changes over the next few months (along with weekly 10% changes) help the situation?
- Jonathan
<Mmm, thirty nine gallons... with the use of some decent (fresh) chemical filtrant that removes metals (PolyFilter, Activated Carbon), you should be fine here. Iron (Fe) is a sort of medium necessary element in most the life found on reefs. Bob Fenner>

Re: URGENT: Staple fell into tank!  -12/11/08
I think I will stop dosing Iron as I have been doing as well. All that extra Iron for free now (sarcasm)!
<Heeee!>
Thanks a lot, Bob. Was freaking out quite bad since there is a lot of money invested in the tank now via inverts.
- Jon
<This bit of added ferrous ion will not do any harm Jon... I've seen "downstream" the effects of large rusting ship hulks stuck on reefs... they're often more vibrant... BobF>

Rusting Bolt 9/24/08
Good Afternoon Crew, et al.
I have a maintenance account which consists of an approximately 350 gallon saltwater aquarium with a Living Color artificial reef backdrop insert...I love these inserts, by the way. It has been up and running for about a year now and quite frankly has been nothing but hassle with regards to keeping anything alive and healthy.
The filtration system consists of a 50 gallon sump with Live Rock, PM XL-1 Skimmer, Nu-Clear Canister w/Carbon, 120 watt Aqua UV Sterilizer, 3/4 HP Arctica Chiller and 3 Pan World 200PS return pumps. The salt mix used is Tropic Marin and parameters are generally Temp: 78 - 80F, SG: 1.023, pH: 7.9 - 8.1 NH4, NO3: 0 and NO2: 10 -15ppm.
I have had some trouble keeping specimens alive in this system and I think I may have stumbled upon the reason on Monday. After becoming thoroughly frustrated, I took the entire filtration system apart to perform a complete inspection and found an approximate 1/2" bolt had at some point during construction fallen into the sump and was buried under all of the live rock. The only way I knew it was a bolt is because the washer, which must be stainless steel, was still visible- the rest of the bolt had turned into a great big mass of iron oxide.
Could this be the problem I've been having all along? I immediately removed the bolt and placed poly filters onto the spill of the sump into the pump chamber.
<I think this was likely the problem...or a big part of it. Get the water cleaned up, and I suspect you'll have much better luck with this system.>
Thanks for your time...once again.
<No problem>
Scott C. Wirtz
<Benjamin>

Yellow Tang banging against glass, env.-chemically burned, pH 8.8     8/16/08
Hello Crew,
<Cielo>
I have a 5 inch yellow tang that I picked out on Mother's day 08 from our LFS.
Up until now all my fishes have been healthy. A little background on my tank: I have a 55 gallon tank
<Not really sufficient space...>
with 60lbs of live sand and 30lbs of live rock, a protein skimmer, and a whisper filter.
Three days ago I made a 20 gallon water change. 2 Mornings after that change I woke up to a noise and found that it was my yellow tang banging himself against the light hood of the tank, almost like he wanted to get out.
<Mmmm>
Then he began darting against the glass and hitting himself against it. I noticed that he had red or pink on the inside of his lips and also across his body.
The next day he stopped eating. I checked my levels and they read: Ammonia 0, Nitrites 0, Nitrates 0, but my PH was 8.8
<Yeeikes! Caustic>
so I went to the LFS and purchased a buffer.
I was told I should quarantine
<?>
him so that I wouldn't need to medicate the whole tank as the other fish are fine. The medication I purchased is the Myracid Two.
<... Maracyn... Minocycline... of no use here>
I only had a 5 gallon tank
<Much too small...>
available to make a QT out of, and so that is where I placed my Tang. Right now he's on his side at the bottom of the tank, he is hardly breathing.
<...>
At least in the display tank he was still swimming around. Should I place him back in the display tank? I need your advice.
~L from PA
<YES, now! Bob Fenner>


Stainless steel clamps 10/19/05
Hi Crew!
<Howdy Steve, Ali here...>
Sorry, I just sent an email regarding a different question and meant to include this one.
<No worries...>
I have a 215 gallon tank with a large wet/dry underneath.  Most of the plumbing is located under the main tank, in between it and the wet/dry below.  The installers (LFS technicians) routed the plumbing very neatly and efficiently, however they used metal clamps around the fittings and clear tubing.  They appear to be stainless and just barely above any water level, however because we have a cabinet enclosing the wet/dry, there is quite a bit of humidity and most everything is constantly wet.  Could this be a problem?
<Yes.>
Please advise because I do not want to be poisoning my fish and live rocks with metals leaching into the water as the metal clamps corrode. Your comments are greatly appreciated. Regards, Steven
<Yikes Steven! It's safe to say that you should avoid any type of metal clamps on your pump connections. Granted, the stainless steel pumps will last a bit longer in a saltwater environment versus other metal clamps, however even they will still rust. Definitely not a good thing. There is also a chance that your clamps may be Zinc or Aluminum plated - this definitely a big 'no no'. I'd suggest you remove the clamps ASAP and opt for either a few strong zip-ties or plastic hose clamps. Give me a buzz down at M.D. and I'll set you up with a pack of them. Dedicate an hour or so during the next couple of days to getting under your tank and swapping those metal clamps out. I know messing around with your plumbing can be a tedious task at times, however it's important you get in there immediately and be proactive. Talk to you soon Steven, Adios! - Ali A.>

My never ending money pit..... Poss. issues with synthetic marine decor   1/31/06
Hello,
<Hi there>
My name is Matthew and first off let me say I love your book when I purchased all my aquarium supplies it was one of the first things the store clerk had me put in my cart, The Conscientious Marine Aquarist. Every time I buy something for my tank I always thumb through the pages to see what your opinion is. Anyway here is my dilemma.... I have a 75 gallon bow front tank. At this time I have
1 Hippo Tang (2 to 3 inches very healthy)
1 Niger Trigger ( 3 inches) newly acquired seems very healthy likes to hide in the live rock and eats all the time.
1 Clarki Clown ( 2 inches) seems healthy
Numerous hermit crabs ( a mix of red legs and zebra a little of everything) Snails ( a mix of everything algae eating I could find) 1 small queen conch and 1 chocolate chip starfish.
<I do hope your trigger leaves these invertebrates alone...>
I have about 35 - 40 lbs of live rock, 2 inches of sand and crushed coral, 2 power heads (300 gph) 1 Rena canister filter ( 375 gph) and a CPR Bak Pak protein skimmer with the built in bio filter. About 4 weeks ago I purchased a faux anemone, I read the package to read any care instructions to find out that you have to wash it very good to make sure there is no residue that may affect your protein skimmer. I rinsed it for about 1 hour and then put it in my tank . Later that night my protein skimmer overflowed with water, I turned it off rinsed it out and put it back on my tank. For two weeks straight I ran this skimmer at the setting which it had been out the entire time I owned it. It always ran fine collecting waste. For two weeks I ran the skimmer no waste. I opened the water intake more for two more weeks no waste. the whole time doing my Monday water changes and readings. 8.2 ph, 0 nitrite, 10- 20 nitrate, 0 ammonia and 1.022 - 1.024 salinity. All this skimmer wanted to do was dump millions of are bubbles into my tank. Looking on the internet a lot of people had a lot of different opinions about un dissolved micro bubbles in your tank and the affect it may have on the oxygen exchange. Thinking there was some sort of weird chemical in my tank, from the faux anemone,
<I would remove this... see if this curtails the excess bubbling>
I have been running Kent Marine Carbon in my canister for almost two days. Also for those two days I have been running my newly acquired CPR Bak Pak (no waste yet just micro bubble in my tank) the skimmer seems to be working fine the entire chamber is filled with micro bubbles but no waste. I don't know what to do algae is overtaking my tank red slime and green algae. I have 384 watts of power compact lights 2 96 watt white 2 96 watt blues. What is your opinion what should I do? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Matthew McGlynn
<I have heard some disturbing input re some of the material, manufacture of synthetic decor... I hope you will not have real trouble... but I would remove this and see. Bob Fenner>

Undergravel Filter
Hi Bob <Hi Robert sorry for the delay in getting to back to you. MacL here, Bob is off at the Galapagos and the rest of us are very envious!>
I have a 60 gallon tank, and have enjoyed it for the past four months I've had it. it has all the usual, a sump filter, skimmer, etc.....etc. but the other day I purchased the death of my fish, an undergravel filter. Yes I had purchased this item after seeing another tank with one in and thought that's actually not a bad idea as I  noticed a lot of crap on the bottom of my tank floor where little flow gets to.
so I wondered down to my local pet/fish store and got the undergravel tray and a power head to "suck the crap out of it".
I put the undergravel tray in, and powered up the powerhead looking good I thought.
put all the fishes and my one shrimp back in there newly decorated home. Everything was looking good, fish seemed happy so did the corals coming out to full bloom. Two days later disaster hit, my yellow tail damsel was swimming side ways. I did an emergency 30% water change and still the fishes seem sick. There eyes are completely black and there breathing is heavy. all my levels are text book levels I'm stumped I have a large air stone going all the time. <I would have thought your ammonia or nitrite levels would have been high. When you put the undergravel in, it has to go through a "cycle" yet again with the ammonia rising and then the nitrites as at the beginning of your tank. You already had some bacteria in the tank so it should have been fairly quick but when you moved your sand or crushed coral to place the undergravel you had to have disturbed your bacterial bed there.>
PH 8.3
ammonia/nitrite/nitrate all at 0
phosphate 0
calcium 420-430
but yet my fish are not getting any better, at the mo I have made a small tank, to see if they get better.  fingers crossed P.S. the undergravel filter doesn't have gravel over it, the gravel is around the outside of it and I have placed my live rock on top of the undergravel filter. (By definition an undergravel filter needs to have some type of medium to filter through. <Generally in a salt system that is crushed coral or sand. It sounds like you might be looking at something similar to a plenum system. I would encourage you to look at the FAQs on WetWebMedia about the plenum system. I think what's happened is that you have destroyed your bacterial bed Robert. Or a least seriously messed with it. This should show some kind of ammonia rise however so you not having one seriously has me stumped. Have you double checked your water? Did you take your ammonia readings before or after the water change? You say you've set up a small tank to move the fish into as a type of quarantine? Watch for ammonia rises there as well.>
Please Help....
Regards
Robert

Gravel Filter
<Hi Robert, MacL here again>
Thanks for the reply, disturbing the sand could have been the culprit. I got my hands on a book and all the symptoms point to poisoning of some sort, so I did a 70% water change and everything is back to normal, as for the source of my poisoning problem maybe it was from disturbing the sand but I would have thought with a four to five month setup there wouldn't be
much to effect the balance of the tank, but nothings impossible. <Had you touched anything then touched the tank? Put anything new into the tank? Sprayed anything around the tank?> I had done my tests as soon as I noticed the sick fish and got the fish store to double check and their readings were a match. <It never hurts to double check, I once got a bad bunch of chemicals>
Thanks for the reminder on watching the levels in the quarantine tank, levels are good but salinity is the hardest one as the tank is only a 12Gal, I need to upgrade that to.
My corals also were effected but all seem back to normal. <Great to hear>  Well luckily have been reasonably patient with the setup and not put a huge amount of live stock in there all at ounce, I think I'll leave the tank alone for now and think twice before acting on my sudden urges. Thanks again. <Good luck and please keep us updated. MacL

Rapid Breathing Onset
I have a 55 gal marine reef system. Tank is going on three months now and seem to be cycled with 85 pounds of live rocks<Use care...it's "cycled, but not "established" which takes nearly a year>. My live stock are yellow tang, 3 Chromis, mated pair black saddle back clown fish, true Percula clown fish, engineer goby, small brittle starfish, arrow crab, and a pistol shrimp. Seriously I thought fight would break out among the clown fish but they seem to get along<I've had the same results, but who am I to argue?>. Anyway my question is yesterday my fishes were all fine, they normally are aggressive eater when its feeding time and they look pretty healthy. well the problem is the next day majority of all my fishes are breathing rapidly like they were going to die. One of my clown is breathing extremely fast as if he was going to die and the day before he was eating fine. All the fishes are not acting usual and appetite is gone too. They only thing that seem to be normal is my inverts. what do you think the problem could be. I also removed the carbon media a couple days so I could treat the whole tank with Kick Ich
a medication that was said to be reef safe
<First off, there's no such thing as a reef safe, effective medication. The only thing this usually cures is excessus dollerus in the walletus>
 . I check my water and my Ph is the only thing out of place.
Ph in main tank 7.8
Ph in sump 7.7
nitrate- undetectable
nitrite- undetectable
ammonia undetectable
Do you think it cold be the medication that is dropping the Ph or do you think it is the missing carbon media? Or do you think there are other reason my fish are acting so strangely. they way there acting I don't think there going to make it.<You don't mention why you treated the tank for ick. If it was merely for the rapid breathing, you blew it, and should immediately always think of extra water changes as the FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE and never treat your main tank. You're tank is actually overcrowded and if you, like many, tend to overfeed, that's likely the source of your problem. You also don't mention having a skimmer which you NEED with that fish load in a tank that small.
for now, do 5 gal. water changes every other day, which should alleviate the breathing problem and gradually raise your pH as well. There are products for raising pH, but that's a time bomb best not played with. Chemicals and medications are reached for way to easily, ending up BEING the problem in almost 90% of the situations.>

DOH! I Broke the Thermometer, Now What? 
>Hi Bob and team. 
>>Hello, Marina tonight. 
>I'm afraid I've had a disaster in my 200 gallon reef aquarium. While recently double checking my chiller reading, I stupidly left a thermometer in my sump. I found it this morning, broken at the pump intake. 
>>Oh my, thusly the term "disaster". It's not as disastrous as you think, though. 
>The lead balls have been sucked into the pump and the mercury is gone. 
>>Not mercury anymore, my friend, usually alcohol (with a dye) is used in modern thermometers. 
>Everything in the tank looks OK so far (corals and fish), but I can't imagine that'll last. What should I do? I'm sure water changes, carbon and PolyFilters will help but I can't imagine I'm ever going to find the lead balls? 
>>No, I don't imagine you will, either. But I wouldn't expect such a small amount to be a very big problem in the short or long run anyway. If you're very concerned about the contents, contact the manufacturer, but to the best of my knowledge the potential for mercury would be the biggest issue and as far as I know it hasn't been used for quite a few years. You're correct, water changes, carbon, and PolyFilters will help, though I don't know at all how readily lead actually dissolves in water (thinking of wrecks of Spanish galleons and all the lead shot/balls they find, all encrusted with stuff). 
>Any advice you can give would be great. I hate the thought of tearing down my tank and starting again. Dave. 
>>No, no, no, I really don't think you'll need to go so far. Between the water changes and the chemical filtration you should be able to deal with the small amount of dye released. For "next time", get a bit of clear plastic tubing, the kind used for undergravel filter lift tubes, along with caps. The caps can be the same clear plastic, or PVC that fits. Glue one end (I'd use Superglue-cyanoacrylate) on permanently, leave the other so you can slip it on and off. Drill some holes in the tube, and it will protect the future thermometer from such terrible mishaps. Marina 

Cleaning magnet in tank, Eclipse Modification
Hello Mr. Fenner,
I just finished reading today's Q&A's & the last one about lighting for the Eclipse system. I started an experimental 25g Eclipse system a few months back & am thoroughly happy w/it. The CustromSeaLife retro PowerCompacts are terrific lights. And very easy to install.
I cut the back of the plastic and have added a protein skimmer and a couple of power heads.
<Thank you for this input>
This little tank is supporting (I know you wont like this)-A mated pair of true Perc's, a Flameback angel (African), a yellow assessor, a orange spotted blenny. All very small fish.
Also, a torch coral, a hammer coral, an Alveopora, a frilly mushroom and a small bubble tip anemone. Everything is thriving! I highly recommend this lighting setup.
On another note-My brother leaves his algae cleanup magnet in his 180g reef tank, set up in Nov.01, & now he is noticing that the corals are dying or not looking as great on the left side of the tank (where the magnet is).
Could there be a chemical reaction of some sort going on in that portion of the tank?
<Yes. Most aquarium magnets are safe for leaving in a system... but not all. I would pull these out when not in use... Please have your brother contact us re water chemistry checking, use of Polyfilter... as moves to correct the situation. Bob Fenner>
Welcome back & thanks in advance.
Craig

Formalin Med. Poisoning effects
Talk about a bad day...
I lost my grey and Koran angels today (see old email below...).
I had an outbreak of ick on Tuesday and we started a treatment recommended by my local store using Formulite II. Per their direction, I removed my carbon and inverts (shrimp, urchin, and hermits) and added the medication - Two drops per gallon. I then did the second of the 3 recommended treatments on Thursday PM. On Friday everyone was looking great and everyone was eating like a bunch of hungry truck drivers. 
The two angels from Friday to Saturday morning developed a major amount 'slime' on their bodies and got foggy eyes. I'm guessing the medication caused this. Anyway, I threw carbon in my baskets and I did a RO water change of 15 gallons again per the local rec.- but both angels were dead by 5:00 pm. They looked like they were dipped in slim when I pulled them out. 
Where did I go wrong? So far my remaining family is looking fine but obviously I'm very concerned and my wife is really bummed out. Today was a very expensive day and I am open for any suggestions...
Thanks,
Tom Tengowski
P.S. - The black cap also died earlier this week also...I can't get a break.
>>
ARRGGGGHHHH, I'm so sorry to hear of your fish losses. And do not, repeat DO NOT ever encourage the use of formalin/formaldehyde in any format's use in hobbyist's aquariums. These compounds are outright poisons (cross linkers of peptides), and are deadly dangerous to all forms of life. Yes, the medication did kill your fishes, blinding them, causing excess slime production... Don't know if I can state "where you went wrong", I cannot profess to state, but you reacted properly (with close observation, the water change, returning the carbon). Do return the Formulite to your dealer and ask them to explain what they think happened. Hopefully you have not killed off the bulk of your beneficial microbes. If it were me, I'd test your water and be very careful about (slowly) returning the other livestock... Take Your Time. Bob Fenner

Endogenous poisoning event
I have a 40 breeder reef for a year with 2 Anthias, 1 black cap, 2 clowns, 1 yellow tang.
Running wet/dry system with red sea skimmer; all health , I feed them at night the next day when I got back home, took a look at my tank and my tang was dead. So I did a water test water, everything looked all good to the graph but I took it in to the pet shop and got it tested to, it was good. I told them the story they didn't know what to say. Come home feed my fish. The next day when I came back from work 1 of my Anthias and my blackcap flipped on me to, test water to it was still good. So I did a water change feed the fish. Next day the other Anthias died, water still good. I didn't do any cleaning around the tank. 2 weeks gone by 1 of my clown couldn't swim upright just side ways and couldn't eat for so I took him out. One more thing my corals closed up for a long time before opened up again for over 2 weeks, even though their open its not the same as before, they don't expand as big as they should be. Came you give me any answers to my problem?
Thank you, Souk Her
>>
Hmm, sounds to me like an "inside job" of poisoning by one of your livestock... Like a sea cucumber... or other organism... maybe even just a reproduction event by some microbe... that led to slow/chronic poisoning... All will probably be fine by now (the poison is probably gone), but I would do a very large (half) water change before adding any more fishes... and maybe a unit of activated carbon in a bag in your filter/flow path.
Bob Fenner






Featured Sponsors:
Google
 
Web www.WetWebMedia.com