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FAQs on Lined Wrasses, Genus Pseudocheilinus Compatibility
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Wrasse Compatibility 10/15/09
Hey guys!
I have a 75 gallon reef (about 80 pounds of LR) with assorted corals,
snails, crabs, and shrimp. There are currently 4 fish in the tank...pink
skunk clown, yellow watchman goby, possum wrasse, and a mystery wrasse.
<Okay.>
The goby and possum wrasse were the first two fish, followed by the
mystery wrasse. When I added the pink skunk a few weeks later, the
mystery wrasse gave her a pretty rough time. Basically he kept her
confined to one of the upper corners of the tank for a few days and
attacked her if she tried to stray. I finally came home to a mystery
wrasse with a torn up tail fin.
Although I haven't seen any more attacks, the mystery wrasse still
postures a lot with her, and she still stays on the side of the tank
that her "prison corner" was in.
<Even though you are not seeing any fighting, they can still be causing
stress to one another, how would you feel living in a bedroom with a
bully.>
The mystery wrasse has never looked twice at the possum wrasse, but
seemed to be intimidating the yellow watchman the other day.
<That is a good thing, I wouldn't have mixed the two wrasses to begin
with, but if they are getting along fine. Please understand that in a
75G tank,
the mystery wrasse probably will continue to be "in charge" of the
tank.>
I'm ready to get a new fish or two, but I'm worried about aggression.
I'd love to have a Sixline wrasse
<To: Carter, please no more wrasses. From: your other fish.>
and a yellow tail damsel, but wouldn't they fight with the mystery
wrasse and pink skunk respectively?
<Eek, I would likely avoid the yellow tail damsel too, he's another
tough guy, you have enough of those in the tank.>
I'd like to have an orchid Dottyback too,
<Nooo, please don't. Think about perhaps a royal gramma or something
less aggressive, the Dottybacks are notoriously aggressive fish.>
but I fear it may be too similar to the mystery wrasse and I don't want
to put anything in there that might be rough for the possum wrasse.
<I would avoid these additions you are considering.>
Any light that you would like to shed on the situation would be greatly
appreciated!
<Carter, if you are really set on adding more fish to the tank, I would
one of two things, the first option is to remove the mystery wrasse. The
second option is to go with fish that occupy a completely different
niche than the fish that are currently contained in you tank, perhaps
some cardinals, no more wrasses.>
Carter
<Good luck,
Josh Solomon.>
Two Questions (Reef Compatibility/Lighting Suitability) –
07/13/09
Hi guys,
<<Daniel>>
I have two different problems.
First: Mystery Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus ocellatus). Is it going to work
in reef tank?
<<Depends…but generally, yes, they do fine with most other “reef”
inhabitants. Though like most any other wrasse, they can pose a threat
to small crustaceans>>
I was about to buy that fish but seller warned me that it will go
eventually after my shrimps (2 medium cleaner and blood shrimp and
couple wurdemanni).
<<If the shrimp are very small, and the wrasse is mature/large…this is a
possibility>>
So I backed off, but still can't get that fish out of head, beautiful
<<Ah, yes indeed>>
and very good priced. Any suggestions? Tank is 100gal, not overcrowded.
<<It is a gamble…and “you” have to decide if it is “worth it.”
Personally, I would give the wrasse a go>>
Second: I have PC lightning over my 100g reef, 4x96watts. Two daylight
and two actinic bulbs. Because it's soon time to change bulbs I was
thinking about making it more blue, so it would be 2xactinic and
2x50/50bulbs. I know corals need more daylight, but since that tank is
shallow (20inch), and I keep only LPSs (I can put them higher) and Zoas
it might work. Or not? What do you guys think about more blue light in
this case?
<<Well, I’ve seen some pretty “blue” tanks before… I think this is a bit
much in this case but, if you are keeping deep/deeper water species it
will probably be fine. At any rate…you can always keep an eye on your
livestock and switch to more “daylight spectrum” bulbs if anything looks
to be suffering under all that blue light>>
Regards,
Daniel P
<<Cheers, EricR>>
Leopard Wrasse, Pseudocheilinus
incomp. – 04/12/09
We have an established reef tank, approximately 2 years old. We have a
small six line wrasse in there... he is about 1.5 inches. He picks on
nothing. Today we put a leopard wrasse in and he couldn't leave the poor
thing alone.
<Not atypical behavior... Unless you have a large system... more than a
hundred gallons... you may have to separate them>
The leopard has now buried itself. Should we put the six line wrasse in
another tank before the leopard decides to come back out or do you think
the six line will just leave him be? I don't want the leopard
wrasse to get hurt. Thanks!
<See above... and WWM re Lined Wrasse Compatibility. Bob Fenner>
Six Line Wrasse and Inverts 08/04/2008
Hi guys.
<<And gals I
hope.. Andrew with you today>>
Hopefully a quick and easy one for
you: I am in the process of switching my current 30 gal FOWLR to a 55
gal. I currently have one six line wrasse and a clownfish - have had
these for 8 months but would like to add a few more fish, possibly a
dwarf angel, hence the upgrade. Water parameters are great, however
algae is starting to become an issue and I have read numerous posts and
advice columns about wrasse comp ability with snails and crabs. Some say
they will eat hermit crabs and snails, some say they are safe. I would
assume shrimp and possibly smaller crabs and snails would be lunch but
would like some advice on whether I should pursue snails and hermits and
what types would be safe, or does it just depend on the personality of
the fish, i.e, how aggressive they are? I do have some pyramid snails
which have not been eaten. any help would be appreciated.
thank you
so much!
<<A 6 lined does certainly pose a potential thread to mainly
shrimp, any size, and some crabs. The warning is there, so to speak, by
their reputation. Please do read more here
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pseudocheilinus.htm >>
Melissa L. Hetzer
<<Thanks for the questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>>
Labrid comp. 7/12/08
Hi all,
This one will be real
quick. What is your opinion on keeping a Sixline Wrasse, and some sort
of Fairy Wrasse in the same 75 gallon tank?
Thanks,
Marc
<Likely enough room for all here... The Lined staying in and amongst
rock, the Cirrhilabrus up and about in the mid water. Bob Fenner>
Six Line Wrasse Disappeared 5/29/08
I have a 29 gallon BioCube
with 30 lbs of live rock, 20 lbs live sand assorted inverts including 6
hermit crabs, two turbo snails, two Nassarius snails, one green emerald
crab, one strawberry emerald crab, one serpent starfish and assorted
corals. The only fish I had in the tank was a six lined wrasse. He was
very healthy, eating well and then he just disappeared.
I am at a
loss to explain what happened to him and have yet to find a corpse.
<Mmmm>
Is it possible that either the starfish or one of the emerald
crabs got a hold of him while he was sleeping and ate him?
<Oh yes>
The green emerald crab has gotten fairly large, about 3" across from leg
to leg. I have heard that wrasse can hide for several days at a time. Is
it possible that he is just hiding?
<Mmm, yes>
I saw him yesterday
before the lights went out, but today he is no where to be found. Do you
have any ideas what may have happened? I also checked the chambers in
the back of the tank and the floor around the tank.
Its a real
mystery! Thanks for any help you can give.
<My first bet is on
one/both of the Mithrax/Mithraculus... next the Ophiuroid... but could
have jumped, be hiding... Please read on WWM re these crabs. Bob Fenner>
Re: Six Line Wrasse Disappeared 5/29/08
Thanks so much, I'll do
that. I want to solve the mystery before I put anymore fish in.
<Ah
good... thank you for sharing, writing so well. BobF>
Clownfish - possible fungus, Lined Wrasse comp. 5/1/08
Hello!
I have a fairly new 29 gal FOWLR tank (4 weeks). Water
parameters are great. I incorporated a small Ocellaris clown initially,
then two weeks later a 6 line wrasse. I noticed almost immediately after
I got the clownfish some white spots on his fin. Could have been there
when I got him but it was hardly noticeable. Originally I thought it was
a stress-induced secondary infection, or perhaps that he had been picked
on in the LFS tank. Upon closer inspection, the bottom of the fin is
feathered and ragged and there are some white, almost fuzzy areas. There
has been little change over the past 4 weeks but it definitely isn't
going away... maybe getting a tad worse. The fish seems totally healthy
otherwise, eats, swims, sleeps normally and is energetic. I wondered if
the wrasse was harassing it
<Could well be... in such a small
volume... this species can be a terror>
however I have never noticed
that type of behavior. I thought of treating with some MelaFix
<Worse than worthless... may well upset the cycling of the system, alter
pH... of no medicine value>
but I am afraid of harming my beneficial
bacterial.
<You are wise here>
Any suggestions?
<Patience,
observation... possibly the removal of the Wrasse. Bob Fenner>
Melissa L. Hetzer
Blenny/ Wrasse Question... comp. 04/15/2008
Hi there!
<<Hello, Andrew today>>
My question is in regards to possible
aggression between my bicolor blenny and Sixline wrasse. I have a 20g
tank, all water parameters are good. They are the only fish in the tank.
The blenny has been in there a while and had no issues. We went and
purchased a Sixline from the LFS after researching various sites that
said they were compatible. They have been together for about a month and
the blenny has been increasing gilling more heavily and this morning is
trying to hide under a rock to get away from the wrasse.
<<I can
quite understand this behaviour with a 6 lined wrasse in these
confines>>
I noticed the blenny has some flaking of his scales near
his head and the wrasse came by and looked to be picking at him. The
blenny has been fine until probably this last week and his color has
been much paler than usual. The LFS said they would trade out the
Sixline so that might be my option. Any insight you can give would be
great. Thanks.
<<Robin, i would certainly separate these two fish.
The 6 line wrasse is an ok fish in larger confines, 50-60gals plus. I
would trade the 6 line for maybe a shrimp goby / clown goby or if you
have a good lid, a Firefish>>
Robin
<<Thanks for the questions,
hope this helps. A Nixon>>
Sociable Sixline Wrasses? (Compatibility Query) – 03/22/08
Dear
WWM crew.
<Hey there! Scott F. in today!>
I was wondering if you
can keep two Sixline Wrasses together. Most people say you can't but the
two I see are in the same tank and are inseparable. They wont leave each
others side.
<This is no as simple a question as you might think. I
have a lot of personal experience with the genus Pseudocheilinus, and
this species in particular, so I will offer comments based on what
worked for me. Your results may vary! Although many wrasses are social
animals, found in groups or "harems", these fishes in the wild are found
in somewhat "looser" aggregations, spread out over sections of reef.
This may be several square feet or event several dozen square feet.
These are typically rather secretive fishes, that spend a lot of time
swimming among coral branches and crevices in the reef structure. What
this all means is that these guys are less likely to interact or get
along with others of the same species in a more cramped captive setting.
Sure, it is possible that you can keep more than one in an aquarium, but
there are absolutely no guarantees of compatibility. I have personally
kept a group of three in a 72"x30"x24" 225 gallon "rubble zone" biotope
without problems. They were all added at the same time, and were
approximately the same size.>
I bought one and he looks lonely and
the one at the pet store looks sad too.
<Hmm...I understand that we
all like to ascribe human personality attributes to fishes, but I will
bet you that he's not really all that sad and lonely. As mentioned
above, these fishes are not found in the wild in tight social groups,
and they tend to be relatively shy. You're probably witnessing a
perfectly normal behavioral pattern for this fish.>
All of my local
fish stores have tons together in big tanks and they don't bother each
other. They are actually great friends.
<Two thoughts on this. First,
you mentioned "big tanks". That's really important! If the species is
typically found in loose aggregations over the reef, they might do well
in a large (as in several feet long) aquarium with lots of rockwork. I
believe that this was instrumental in my success in keeping several
together. My other thought is that you could have been witnessing a pair
at your dealer, although I have no scientific facts to back up my
assumption. To be honest, I'm not 100% certain how pair bonding works in
the genus Pseudocheilinus (the genus to which the Sixline belongs), or
if it even readily occurs, so I can only offer that as a theory.> Today,
I wanted to go and buy the one that mine was with. Is this possible?
<If you have the cash, it is! Seriously, if you really believe that they
will do better together, I encourage you to try. Keep in mind that
animals do not always comply with our expectations, so there could even
be some conflict. Be prepared to intervene if there is any violence.
With experimentation comes the responsibility to provide the best care
possible for all of our animals, as you are no doubt aware, so keep this
in mind should you try.>
I have a 36 gallon and in a month it will be
a 90 gallon reef. thanks
<Oh. Well, that's a fairly small aquarium
for more than one of these fishes, in my opinion! Could be asking for
trouble. However, if you believe in your theory, proceed with extreme
caution. If it were me, I'd purchase the other one and while it's in
quarantine (about 3-4 weeks-you do quarantine new arrivals, right?), you
can set up that 90 gallon system, and add both of your wrasses at the
same time! Hope you follow this path, I think that it will give the fish
the best chance for success. Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Can I Put These Two Wrasse Together? – 02/21/08
I have a Coris
Wrasse and I want to add a Sixline wrasse. Can they go together in the
same aquarium?
Thank you,
Renee
<<Mmm, there are a couple
dozen or so species of “Coris” Wrasse…but generally speaking, yes, I
think these two fishes could be kept together for a time given a large
enough system to begin with for the Coris…and/or until the former grows
large enough to eat the latter. Regards, EricR>>
R5: Adding Another Wrasse To My Tank (Not Going to Be Easy) –
02/16/08
Got the 2nd wrasse, a Cirrhilabrus solorensis about
4" and the Sixline went after it within short time.
<<Mmm, as I
feared…do keep a close watch out for trouble>>
I've turn off all
the lights and will let the new wrasse acclimate over night.
<<Actually…leaving the lights “on” for the next 24hrs will serve
better. The new wrasse is unfamiliar with its new tank and turning
off the lights only gives that Sixline more of an edge. Leaving the
lights on lets the newcomer become familiar with its surroundings
while better seeing/avoiding the aggressor Sixline. Extending the
lighting-period can also disorient the Sixline, giving the Solar
Wrasse some time to “settle”>>
Would you recommend returning the
Cirrhilabrus solorensis ASAP, or give them some time to get used to
each and in time they will co-exist?
<<I would leave the lights
on, keep watch for now, and see how things develop. You may well
have to remove one or the other…time will tell. EricR>>
R6: Adding Another Wrasse To My Tank (Not Going to Be Easy) –
02/17/08
Lights are back on and the Sixline is after the
Solar again, seems like he’s on a mission.
<<Mmm, yes…can be
relentless>>
Even when the Solar Wrasse finds a hiding place the
Sixline relentlessly searches for it. When he finds it he chases
around the tank at full speed until a new hiding spot is found...
this cycle has repeated itself several times but so far no one seems
hurt. Will this settle down in time and if so what signs should I
look for?
<<Less chasing about>>
If not, how long do I wait to
try and remove one of the two, which would be decided by which one I
can actually catch.
<<Sometimes these introductions just don’t
work out… If the Solar wrasse does not/can not feed, if any physical
trauma occurs beyond a nipped fin, or if the “incessant” chasing
does not stop in a couple days…I would remove one of these fishes.
EricR>>
R7: Adding Another Wrasse To My Tank (Not Going to
Be Easy) – 02/18/08
Solar is hiding for the last 8 hours or
so under some rock and the Sixline seems a little less interested in
finding it then before.
<<Mmm…maybe a glimmer of hope>>
I also
re-aquascaped part of the tank to hopefully disorient the Sixline a
bit and enforce a truce while they all laid low.
<<A good move>>
An hour or so after I finished, the Sixline did find the Solar
Wrasse in its hiding spot but just swam up to its face and stared it
down for a while. This time Solar didn't make a run for it but
instead just backed in deeper after the Sixline left. Hope this is a
good sign since I really like both fish. All that being said, how
long should I wait to see if the Solar comes out and feeds before
getting concerned?
<<Hard to say, Danny… If the fish was
introduced shortly after arrival at the LFS then it likely hasn’t
fed much for days already, if at all, and is in a weakened state
from the stresses of capture and transport and will need to feed
soon in my opinion (within the next couple days). If this fish was
quarantined and feeding/fed well before introduction then it can go
a bit longer. EricR>>
R8: Adding Another Wrasse To My Tank (Not Going to Be Easy) –
02/20/08
Eric,
<<Danny>>
A quick update...
<<Thank
you for this>>
The Solar had been spending the last 2 days hiding
under the rocks but I could see him through the bottom of the tank
to monitor his vitals.
<<I see>>
This evening a gave the gang
Mysid shrimp with some Selcon for added impact and the Solar came
out in seconds!
<<I’m sure it must be hungry…>>
However, the
Sixline was on his case right away.
<<Mmm, can be true
“beasties”…much belied by their size/popularity in the hobby>>
I
managed to keep the Sixline at bay by using my net to distract /
scare him back and that allowed the Solar a chance to gulp down a
half dozen or so Mysids.
<<A good strategy…is “very” important
that this fish be able to feed/gain strength. I am impressed and
pleased with the lengths you are willing to go to in the interest of
this fish>>
After feeding and the Sixline persisting in his chase
attempts the Solar went back under the rock. To me this is a big
step, since at least he's shown a desire to eat...
<<It is a
plus, but even though it appears there has been no physical trauma
to the Solar Wrasse, the psychological stress imposed by the Sixline
does have a deleterious effect>>
And, if I can entice him at
least 1-time a day to eat there may be some hope.
<<If the
Sixline Wrasse is not pursuing the Solar Wrasse in to its hidey-hole
as they most often do, maybe so>>
You never know, maybe the
Sixline will get used to his presence over time or the Solar might
stand his ground.
<<Habituation is a possibility…but don’t ever
expect these two fishes to be “friends”…I expect there will always
be a bit of chasing-away to some extent>>
I also want to thank
you for listening (reading) and always responding.
<<No worries
mate…is what we do!>>
Being new to this fascinating hobby it's
good to have some place to get impartial advice from people who are
doing it for the love of the hobby too!
Danny
<<Ah yes, it is
truly our desire to have you/folks like you succeed in the hobby.
EricR>>
R9: Adding Another Wrasse To My Tank (Not Going to Be Easy) –
02/21/08
Good news, the Solar decided to come out this
afternoon without needing food to entice him.
<<A good sign>>
After being out for a while my wife fed them some flake food and he
ate.
<<A better sign>>
This evening I served up some more
mysids, since I'm thinking this might be his favorite, and he
devoured more than his share. Best of all, he's been out for around
6 hours now and although the Sixline and him pass the occasional
dirty look there has been no overt aggression or
chasing.
<<Excellent news indeed!>>
The Solar seems to be swimming higher
up in the water column and the Sixline is mostly doing his thing
around and through the rocks.
<<Sounds good…and is in line with
my experience with the Fairy Wrasses>>
The Solar Wrasse does seem
a little less colorful and has a slight tear on his tail but who
would look perfect after crawling out from under a rock!
<<This
is so… The stress marking and battle wounds should heal quickly
though. Do continue to fortify the fishes' foods (Selcon)>>
So at
this point it seems like this story may end well after all.
<<And
due in no small part to your actions/interested involvement/caring
attention>>
Once again, thanks for being there...
Danny
<<Has been my pleasure. Eric Russell>> |
wrasse question... Lined comp., Flashers sel. – 1/26/08
Hello Bob and Crew,
A quick thank you for helping me so much with
this hobby. Your site and books are invaluable. I have a 125g reef tank
with 100 pounds of live rock, 130 pounds of live sand and miscellaneous
corals. My question is, with a six line wrasse in the tank, could I add
1 male flasher wrasse and two females without the six line attacking
them?
<Likely so here in this volume, shape system>
I've read that
flashers get along with other wrasse and that you need a few females in
order for the male to flash.
<This is so... and possibly another
male>
I'm just uncertain about how the six line will behave.
<Lined wrasses can indeed be "bullies", but you very likely have enough
room here...>
There are lots of hiding places and space in the tank
as I hardly have much livestock to speak of. Thanks!
Just incase you
were wondering
3 chromis
1 scribbled rabbitfish
1 six line
wrasse
2 pajama cardinals
1 juvenile orange shoulder tang
<Interesting... will be the alpha animal here in time>
1 juvenile
hippo tang
2 skunk cleaner shrimp
basic small clean up crew,
snails, crabs, etc.
thank you,
Alan
<Bob Fenner>
Wrasse Behavior
Hello WWW Crew Member! Thanks for you insight
on this one.
<Okay>
I am pretty familiar with the habits and
care of the Six-line Wrasse, Pseudocheilinus hexataenia. However,
are they known for doing a
“disappearing act?”
<Ah, yes... temporarily or permanently... as
in jumping out>
This particular one is smaller, probably not
quite 2 inches. His tankmates are a Foxface Rabbitfish, Tomato
Clown, Azure Damsel, Royal Gramma and a Falco’s Hawk. This group has
lived peacefully together for about 3 months. The wrasse usually
hides out in LR more than his mates but over the past couple of
days, I’ve only spotted him twice – once swimming freely, the other
time wedge in a crevice. This is the first instance of this
behavior. I am concerned because I have lost 2 of this species in
similar fashion….they become reclusive, never to reappear.
David
A. Bell
<Maybe you have a predator here... Perhaps the Hawk or
Clown. BTW, am glad you've written... I'd like to send you here:
http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/marinelifeprofiles/
re the need
for better marine livestock selection articles format/input...
Particularly reef groups. Bob Fenner>
Re: Wrasse Behavior
Thanks, Bob. - Will read the link info.
I know the Wrasse did not jump - I'm sealed tight; no floor nuggets
- but rather believe harassment.
David A. Bell
<Could well
be... the A. frenatus likely, but the Gramma, Hawk... are candidates
as well. BobF> |
Wrasse compatibility <Actually sel. to eat/control>, red bugs, <and
comp. w/> Anthias
9/11/07
Hi Crew,
Would you be able to help with the
best choice for a small wrasse that likes to eat Acropora red bugs?
<Um, this is not how one deals with red bugs.>
From reading the FAQs
it looks like the Six Line is an option, but I've seen them be
aggressive and I have a trio of Bartlett's Anthias that I wouldn't want
to be harassed. The tank is a 135G reef with 100+ lbs of live rock.
Can you think of a small, red bug eating wrasse (or other fish/invert)
that would tend to be less territorial than a Six Line? And do you think
I would need more than one bug-eater in this size tank?
<If you have
a red bug infestation, you need to treat it with Interceptor. There's no
aquarium fish (known to aquarists) that will solve this problem. See
here:
http://www.ericborneman.com/Tegastes-content/Dorton%20treatment.htm
And maybe here too:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acrodisfaqs.htm>
Thanks,
Tom
<De nada,
Sara M.>
Six-line bullying anemone?!?! Little Hippolytid food item needs temp.
protection 7/8/07
Hello to you!
<And you>
A bit
of background: we have a six-line wrasse that has been in our 125 G tank
for many months now, and a recently acquired bubble-tip anemone that has
been with us for just over a week now, in the hopes that a pair of
little Ocellaris clowns (currently in the QT tank) will take to it
later. Unknown to us, a "sexy dancing shrimp" (that's what they're
called in our LFS, anyway...)
<Mmm, it their name if this is Thor
amboinensis: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/hippolytidae.htm>
hitched a
ride in the anemone at the LFS and continues to make its home in the
anemone even now.
<Is what they do... among other things, for needed
protection>
OK, on with the problem... As strange as this might
sound, our six-line seems to be "bullying" the anemone.
<Not
strange... this species can be particularly pugnacious...>
The
six-line's behavior is so odd! For the last couple of days, he has been
swimming around the anemone constantly; to the point that the anemone is
frequently "shrunken" in the same way it is when it's expelling waste
after eating. During the night, because the six-line is sleeping, the
anemone gets some peace and swells back to its normal size; in the
morning, it looks great...until the six-line starts in on it again for
the day, that is! This can't be good for the poor anemone!
<... or
the Shrimp... which is HIGHLY likely what the Wrasse is after>
My
husband and I are wondering if the bullying revolves around the "sexy
dancing shrimp," that lives in the anemone, in that maybe the six-line
is trying to get at the tiny shrimp to EAT it, and the anemone is simply
in the way.
<Yes>
Perhaps you have another, more possible
explanation. Have you ever heard of such a thing happening, and do you
have any ideas on how we can make life more enjoyable for the anemone
again?
<Yes... do place a structure over the anemone for now... that
will allow circulation, light to get through (If the anemone is small
perhaps a "strawberry basket" inverted... but something chemically
inert) to separate/exclude the Wrasse for now... When you introduce the
Clowns... this is going to sound a bit weird... do place a "clown
shaped" algae clip (see your LFS re...) stuck to the tank inside near
the anemone... this will hopefully prompt/stir your Clowns into more
soon/readily associating with the Anemone... a useful technique,
particularly w/ tank-bred/raised Clowns that often have little "clue" as
to what an Anemone is. The Clowns will patrol, stave off the Wrasse>
We don't want it to be so clearly distressed! It is a beautiful addition
to our tank!
Thank you so much in advance for your help and advice!
We did already look on WWM and were unable to find anything related in
the FAQ's or the articles.
Have a great day!
Beth
<Thank you
my friend. Life to you. Bob Fenner>
Which Fishes To Go With My Sixline Wrasse In A 40-Gallon Reef?...Not
Many – 06/12/07
Dear Crew,
<<Hello Eric>>
I'm currently in
the process of putting together a 40-gallon Breeder reef tank, with a
20-gallon long for a sump. At this point, I have a 20-gallon tall tank
with just two fish: a six-line wrasse and an ocellaris clownfish.
<<Mmm, yes...time for a larger system>>
I'd love to add a couple of
additional specimens to my larger tank and have my eye on a few
different wrasses.
<<Will be a problem...with the Pseudocheilinus>>
I love flasher wrasses, and particularly the McCosker's and Blue Flasher
Fairy wrasses.
<<Indeed...wonderful little fishes>>
I also love
the Canary wrasse.
<< Halichoeres chrysus? A wonderful aquarium
species...but needs a bigger tank than this>>
Would any of these
species be able to cohabitate with my six-line in the 40-gallon tank?
<<The Canary Wrasse would likely be able to “cohabitate” with the
Sixline, but needs a larger system as stated. As for the Fairy or
Flasher Wrasses, it is VERY likely they will be killed by the
Sixline...I have seen this first-hand. Pseudocheilinus species are very
territorial and very aggressive toward smaller tankmates...quite nasty
little fishes really>>
Or would quarters be a bit cramped for more
than one wrasse?
<<The 40g breeder is really too small to try to mix
other wrasse species with the Sixline. You might try a pugnacious
Cardinal such as the Banggai, being sure to place this in the new tank
ahead of the Wrasse and Clownfish>>
My current plans include
introducing a firefish into this tank, as I really do love them.
<<Mmm, another poor choice to go with the Sixline and the Clownfish.
These sweet-tempered (conspecifics aside) and bashful fishes do very
poorly in tanks with boisterous and/or aggressive tankmates. They will
succumb to stress...or often slowly starve to death from being too
“frightened” to feed properly>>
If none of these species would mix
well with my six-line wrasse and/or my clownfish, what other species
would you recommend that could add some color to my tank without
stirring up trouble?
<<As stated, possibly a Cardinal or two...that
Sixline really limits your options, in my opinion>>
I've looked into
a yellow-headed goby, but am not interested in maintaining a deep sand
bed in my display tank.
<<Do best in a species specific system>>
And I understand that blennies tend to nip at corals.
<<Many do,
yes>>
Thanks so much for your help, in advance!
Regards,
Eric
<<Mmm, don’t know that I’ve done much other than pooh-pooh your fish
choices here. If the Sixline and the Clownfish are important to you then
I don’t see many options. If they are not, then consider trading them in
for store credit and research some small “community” fishes to occupy
this small reef system. A handful (5) of Longspine Cardinals (Apogon
leptacanthus) would look dandy in a small, well-kept reef such as you
plan. Eric Russell>> Wrasse eating an abalone?
4/1/07
Just a short question today guys. I have recently
purchased a lone 3 cm 6-lined wrasse for my 10 gallon tank. I was
wondering if this fish would pose a problem to my hitch-hiking abalone
(1cm Radius). Thanks
<With this size ratio of the wrasse to abalone,
it unlikely he will be able to consume the animal right "now." However
as he matures and grows, and he will grow quickly at this size...the
abalone will be fair game as will any other smaller invertebrate life
like amphipods...it's only a matter of time. **AJ**>
My
not-so-reef safe Mystery Wrasse 3/14/07
Hi Guys,
Great web site thanks! I have more of a comment than a question. I have
a large adult mystery wrasse (Pseudocheilinus ocellatus) in my reef tank
that I've had for the past 2 years or so. He started out small and timid
but now certainly isn't either. He's a great fish though certainly not
reef safe as an adult.
<Mmm, have seen a few specimens in nice reef
settings... the first, years back at Mike Paletta's in PA... but... "one
can never be sure">
I have him in there with a yellow tang, copper
banded butterfly (to control the Aiptasia), and a couple green Chromis.
When he was immature he was fine. Now he eats any and all clean up crew
including any shrimp (forget peppermint shrimp he can eat a dozen in an
hour), crabs including hermit crabs, and snails. Last week he even
decided to devour my 6-inch derasa clam (once he got going he got some
help...). He's a pig and is more like a harlequin wrasse in his eating
habits.
<Yikes!>
He's still a great fish but just wanted to warn
everyone. He's peaceful and basically friendly to the tankmates. He does
leave the corals alone. But once these guys grow up they get hungry!
Regards,
Kris Hublitz
<Thank you for this input... reminder.
There is no life in the sea that is absolutely "reef safe" as a species,
but more importantly as individuals... Some do "cross over" the line
more readily than others... Bob Fenner> Re: My not-so-reef
safe Mystery Wrasse 3/14/07
Hi Bob,
Thanks for
the response. I've had him for 2 years now and he's a pet...
OK an
expensive pet with expensive eating habits... But still a pet. He stays
its his home.
<Yes>
And he's very healthy and looks great too.
Thanks for getting back to me.
<Welcome>
I had an idea for this
tank. I'm in the process of setting up a much larger reef tank now (700
gal w/ 1000 lbs live rock).
<Now that's a tank!>
I'm thinking of
using this older tank with my coral "cleanup crew" of my hungry mystery
wrasse, yellow tang, and copper band butterfly as a coral quarantine
tank. Is this a good idea?
<Mmm, yes>
If so, how long should I
hold corals in here before moving each piece into the new tank?
<A
month or so>
And if I do have a problem piece of coral, how long
should I leave this tank empty of corals before I can assume its clean
again?
<A month or so...>
This is a really stable tank now with
healthy live rock so I certainly wouldn't want to break it down.
Oh
and once again your site is great! I absolutely appreciate all the
helpful information and would certainly be much the worse without it!
Regards,
Kris
<Glad to help! BobF>
Fish compatibility
family Labridae 12/23/06
Crew,
<Bryan>
From what
I have researched, I have found nothing negative about the compatibility
of a Sixline Wrasse and a Twospot Hogfish. However if the hogfish is
part of the wrasse family, could there be an issue here if the two were
in the same tank?
<These two specimens both of the
family Labridae should be able to be housed in the same aquarium if not
overcrowded.>
I like both of the fish, but not sure if I
can have them in the same tank. Any advice on keeping the two together?
<Larger tank, smaller fish and introducing them at the same time would
be the best recipe for success. Good luck!>
Thanks,
<Welcome! -Mich>
Bryan Close quarters?
Squeezing in a Sixline Wrasse 11/29/06
Hello,
<Greetings,
Mich here.>
I have looked at compatibility charts and read articles
online about mixing wrasses but I would like to ask someone with
experience to give me some advice about my particular situation. I have
two filamentous flasher wrasses (one has just changed into the male
coloration, very exciting). These fish are housed in a 40 gal. breeder
tank with one royal Gramma. The tank has an equal amount of space
devoted to liverock and open swimming area. There is also a forty gallon
sump an a ten gallon refugium on the system. If I add a sixline wrasse
to this tank do you think there is enough space so that the wrasses will
get along? <I think it's asking for trouble. Sixlines (Pseudocheilinus
hexataenia) can pester other peaceful fishes, especially other wrasses,
I think it would be a mistake to add this fish. Maybe consider a
goby. A shrimp goby (Stonogobiops sp.) and it's symbiotic shrimp
Alpheus randalli are a very interesting combination to watch. Hours of
entertainment for a fish geek like me. Jawfish (Opistognathus sp.) can
also be very amusing. However your tank must be completely covered as
they will find the smallest crack to escape for a little carpet surfing
and they require at least a three inch deep rubble/sandbed. Hope that
helps.>
Thanks, <You are quite welcome!>
Caitlyn
4-line and Clown Wrasse? 10/24/06
Hi Crew,
<John>
I
currently have a 90g reef tank with a 4-line Wrasse, Coral Beauty, and
One-spot Foxface. My LFS has a nice Clown Wrasse that I'd like to add
(after QT, of course). What are the chances of the 4-line and Clown
Wrasse peacefully co-existing?
<Pretty good in this size/type
setting>
The 4-line is about 3" and the Clown Wrasse is about
4". The 4-line has been in the tank the longest but is currently at the
bottom of the pecking order.
Thank you,
John H.
<I would try
this introduction in the AM, when the lights are first on... and you can
be about to intervene should there be real trouble... But I suspect
there is sufficient space/habitat for all here. Bob Fenner>
Sixline Terror! - 08/15/06
Dear WWM Crew,
<Hi there!
Scott F. with you tonight!>
I have a situation on my hands and I'm
hoping that you can give me some sense as to how serious it is and/or
protracted it will become. I have a new (established in May, 2006) 72G
tank. The first fish were 5 Chromis viridis. Next came the Sixline
Wrasse based on the recommendation of our LFS owner, who assured us of
its docile nature. By way of a "mea culpa" I must say that at that
point in my involvement in this hobby, I didn't realize the importance
of doing one's own research!!
<Always a great idea!>
About a
week ago, we added a beautiful Purple Firefish after a peaceful month in
the quarantine tank. Unfortunately, the Wrasse has made this poor fish
its special object of hostility.
<Too bad...Unfortunately, it's not
all that rare with this fish. Sixlines, despite their diminutive size,
tend to be a bit aggressive with more docile fish at times, often taking
a particular dislike to one fish, as you are experiencing.>
Currently, the Firefish has found a good home inside a piece of live
rock into which it is forced to stay most of the time. It still eats
well, when it can, and has good color.
<Well, there is still hope
for the fish getting through this "hazing" period by the Wrasse. I had a
small Sixline once that directed its aggression to a small Sailfin
Blenny, and just made life miserable for this fish for about 3 weeks.
Eventually, the Wrasse lost interest in this harassment, and peace was
restored, with no hard feelings between the two fishes. Does it always
end this happily? No! So, my recommendation is increased vigilance on
your part. Keep a close eye on these fish to make sure that it doesn't
get worse, and intervene if necessary.>
My question is this: How
long is this aggressive behavior likely to last, and will this Wrasse
torment every fish we add?
<As above, it's hard to say. It may just
be that the Firefish is the "new kid on the block", or it could be that
the Wrasse simply is intolerant of this guy.>
Are there other
peaceful fish we can add that will not be subject to this? Also, I've
heard that adding some coral might distract the Wrasse. Any truth to
this?
<I have not heard the coral thing before, myself. I would
simply observe carefully and take action if necessary.>
Thanks for
your help.
Ellen Peskin
<My pleasure! Regards, Scott F.>
Re: Sixline Terror (Cont'd.) 8/16/06
Dear Scott,
<Hello again!>
Thanks so much for your quick response!!
<You're
quite welcome>
When you suggest a possible intervention (if time
alone doesn't fix this), exactly what does that entail?
<By
intervention, I mean removing either the Wrasse or the Firefish.>
I've actually tried to trap the offending Wrasse, first with a
commercial fish trap & then with a modified 2L soda bottle (per the
recommendation of Mr. LFS). Neither worked as the Wrasse is way too
slick for this. Never went near either. Short of removing all of the
rock & completely disrupting the tank, what recourse have I?
<Unfortunately, you hit it on the head. You do need to either remove the
fish or the decor to get at the fish! Admittedly, either is a pleasant
thing to do.>
Granted, I only left the traps in for a couple of
days. If left in longer, might the Wrasse eventually be fooled?
<Eventually, he may get used to the presence of the trap, which can, of
course, work in your favor. You could keep placing food in the trap and
the fish may get used to it over time.>
Thanks again for all of your
help!!!
Ellen Peskin
<My pleasure, Ellen. Regards, Scott F.>
Fishes not getting along... Pseudocheilinus and Liopropoma incomp.
- 05/22/2006
Hi
I just recently added a mystery wrasses to
my reef aquarium. All was fine for the first two days, but now the
mystery wrasses is chasing my swales Swissguard Basslet all around the
tank.
<Mmm, yes... occupy a similar niche...>
I did my research
before buying the wrasses and all the websites said they were
compatible.
<A relative term to put this mildly, simply>
I don't
want to lose either fish because they are both expensive, but the
Basslet keeps swimming right through my anemone to try and get away. I
can see the anemone having a very tasty treat at my expense. Is there
any way to make the two get along. I have had the Basslet for about 8
months and he is probably twice as big as the wrasse. Can't we all just
get along?
<Mmm... no plagiarizing please...>
There is also lots
of overhangs, bolt holes, and rock levels for both fish. With the wrasse
being the new edition you'd think the Basslet would chase him out of the
territory. HELP ME PLEASE!
Jessica
<It
is possible that by temporarily isolating one of these two (not easy to
catch... to put this mildly, simply...) and leaving in a perforated
screw top container or a floating plastic colander in the system for a
week or two, that such a change will be effected. Otherwise, I would be
permanently separating these. Bob Fenner> Peppermint shrimp to rid
Aiptasia ? Or feed a wrasse? - 2/4/2006
Hello to
the crew !
I have a relatively simple 50
gallon reef, which has slowly been over run with Aiptasia. I went to my
LFS and was told peppermint shrimp should do the trick, so I purchased
three of them. The following day I looked for them and they are no where
to be found ?
<Maybe>
I'm wondering what could have happened to
them. I only have two fish, one being a yellow tang and the other a
six-line wrasse.
<The last could have consumed them>
Do either
of these fish have shrimp on the menu ?
<Yep>
I also lost a
cleaner shrimp about two months ago, which I had for approximately one
year. One day he was there, the next gone. Any clues ? What about the
possibility of a bristle worm ? If one of these guys is the culprit,
what is the best way to deal with my quickly spreading Aiptasia problem
?
<See WWM re... Bob Fenner>
Thanks
for the input.
Trever
from Santa Barbara, Ca.
The Legend of the Predatory Six-Line
- 2/4/2006
Hello gang,
<Hi Fred.>
your site and
books ;-) have been invaluable to me and I thank you again (and ahead of
time).
<Quite welcome.>
My issue at hand is my skunk cleaner
shrimp. He is wonderful and cool but he is constantly stepping on my
zoos, mushrooms, yellow polyps and candy cane coral.
<Sounds like
normal Lysmata behavior to me.>
This causes them to never be fully
open for very long. In addition he steals whatever food they collect.
<Ditto on the above comment.>
I cannot use the inverted soda bottle
method because my corals are far to spread out, it would be easier to
place him in a soda bottle (which of course isn't happening). I've
thought about giving him away and replacing him with a six line wrasse.
<For what? These wrasses are not “cleaners”, they will not remove
parasites nor dead tissue from your other animals. A neon goby would be
a much better choice for this.>
I've read that the six line would
eat my only hermit crab and eventually eat my snails.
<No they stay
relatively small for wrasses, your hermits and herbivorous snails are
safe generally speaking. The six-line wrasse is much more of a threat to
your micro-fauna and ‘pod population than it is your “clean-up” crew.>
So to those who keep six lines, what do you do about algae?
<See
above, and remember live animals are not the only way to keep algae at
bay, look into refugiums and nutrient control in general.>
I'm
afraid that without my team of snails my tank will be over run with
algae. Will the six line really eat 2" turbo snails?
<No.>
Or is
he more of a danger to tiny snails?
<Very tiny snails, such as those
“pyramid” snails that afflict Tridacnids…many clam keepers love
six-lines for this reason.>
I have a 55 with zoos, mushrooms, yellow
polyps, candy cane and a short tentacle plate. Current inhabitants are a
Coral Beauty, 2 Scissortail
gobies, red legged hermit crab, few
assorted snails. I'd like to add two ocellaris clowns a six line and a
fridmani Pseudochromis sans the skunk
cleaner shrimp of course. Any
thoughts?
<I would skip the fridmani, I’d say your full up after the
addition of the clowns and the wrasse.>
You guys ROCK!!!!!
<Thank you.>
Fred
<Adam J.>
Mystery Wrasse and Masudes Hog... Incomp. of Pseudocheilinus and
Bodianus spp. 4/8/06
I am getting a Mystery
Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus ocellatus) tomorrow and want to know if I can
add him to a 90 gallon reef tank.
<This is a very gentle species,
genus...>
I have a 4" Bodianus masudai in a 90 gallon along with a
few other fish.
<In the same tank?... Might be a problem>
The
masudai has only been aggressive to one other fish (a Halichoeres
chrysus that is no longer in the 90 gallon.) Otherwise he seems to leave
everything else alone.
I also have a 58 gallon reef tank that is
only 2 months old and has two Tangerine Skunk Clowns (Amphiprion
sandaracinos) and a Candy Hog (Bodianus bimaculatus).
<The genus
Bodianus, Hogfishes can be quite territorial...>
I would really
rather put the Mystery Wrasse in my 90, it is much more established, and
in a more prominent area of the house, but I hate to take a chance with
a $200 fish.
What is your advice?
Thanks,
Bill Edgel
<... To place this fish in yet another system... not with a
Bodianus/alpha fish present... too similar in appearance, users of
similar niche... Likely to be trouble in either tank here. Research
before you buy... Bob Fenner>
Nasty Six-Line Wrasse -
5/2/2006
Hello to all the Wet Web Media Gurus-
<<HA! Happy
helpers, :).>>
I have developed a problem with my two favorite fish-
both wrasses. After recently re-entering the hobby, I have been
operating a 30 gallon reef tank for about a year. Parameters of the
tank are:
76 degrees F
PH 8.1
SPG 1.024
All my tests
show that ammonia, nitrite/trate, calcium, alkalinity, etc. are good and
consistent.
<<Numbers are always helpful.>>
I do a 5 gallon
water change every week.
<<Good to hear.>>
The tank has live
sand and rock, a substandard protein skimmer (upgraded SeaClone 100),
<<Ouch>>
a power head for circulation, some air stones for aeration,
and a three stage trickle filter with a sponge, carbon, and bio-balls
(which I just heard are bad???).
<<Not BAD, just not a favorite of
many.>>
The tank is crowded- residents listed are in the order
added:
1 blue/green Chromis
1 cleaner shrimp
1 peppermint
shrimp
2 small snails
1 fairy wrasse
<<Many species
possible.>>
mushrooms
1 small clown fish (1 1/2")
lawnmower
blenny
<<Tank is much too small for this guy.>>
2 turbo snails
1 hammer coral
2" bubble tip anemone
1 six-line wrasse
3
feather duster worms
Also, looks like there are some zoos, small
brittles, a hermit crab, and unfortunately a tree or colt coral that all
came in as hitchhikers. Now before you yell at me - I realize the
errors of my ways and I am currently in the process of setting up a 72
gallon tank to house these guys.
<<You read my mind! Are you
running proper light/feeding the anemone?>>
Here's my problem: The
six-line has been bullying the fairy wrasse.
<<Not uncommon.>>
She has marks on her body and a small piece of her fin is nipped.
<<Poor girl.>>
I've pulled her out of the display and put her into a
10 gallon quarantine tank. I've tried giving the six-line a "time-out"
in the quarantine, rearranging the tank, etc. Should I even attempt to
put my poor beat up fairy into the 72 gallon with the six-line? I
suspect that the current crowded tank is exacerbating the bullying
problem.
<<I agree.>>
I'd like to keep both of them if possible
but I really don't want to keep the fairy in quarantine for the rest of
her life.
Please advise.
<<Get the larger tank set up
ASAP. Introduce both fish at the same time, and watch them. You may
need to choose one over the other, but my guess is larger quarters will
go a long way here.>>
Thanks,
Stephanie D.
<<Glad to
help. Lisa.>> Lined wrasses & compatibility
Hi Bob,
Thanks very much for your help earlier this week.
I am broadening my
search for my community tank, 65 gallon, (36 long x 18 wide x 24 deep),
40+ pounds live rock, etc as I emailed a couple of days ago.
<Ah,
good>
Instead of Chalk basses, I am considering the Six-line and
Four-line (Pseudocheilinus hexataenia and Pseudocheilinus tetrataenia)
wrasses. I
did not see any specific reference to these here. From
what I have read, I should keep just one wrasse?
<Yes, good fishes, a
section for them (and most labrid genera of use to aquarists on the WWM
site>
Would they be compatible with a Coral Beauty Angel, Pearly
Jawfish, maybe a Springer's Dottyback?
Katherine Steichen Rosing
<I would only place one of one or the other. Bob Fenner> Six
line wrasse compatibility
Hello, I have a question on Six Line
Wrasse compatibility. I have a 29 gal tank with two False Percula
clowns, four Nassarius snails, 4 Blue Legged Hermit Crabs, a Emerald
Green Crab, a group of small Star Polyps, one False Anemone, one large
Feather Duster, and several small feather dusters and white worms with
red plumes.
<all fine... but keep an eye on that crab as it matures
and make sure to keep it fed if microalgae wanes ... or murders will
occur and it won't be the butler who did it>
I like the small dusters
and worms that came on the live rock and am concerned about their well
being. Will the Wrasse eat any of the aforementioned?
<possible,
but not a huge risk>
I wanted something small that would swim around
the rock that I've taken great pains in setting up to provide hiding
spaces and good current flow.
<Hmmm.. a fairy wrasse (many species)
would be a much safer and peaceful choice here. Six-lines are wonderful
but ferocious. There's a greater chance it will kill your clownfish than
featherdusters in time>
My clowns swim close to the top and the tank
needs something swimming around the rocks. I am also concerned about a
few smallish Bristle Worms in the tank that at some point may go after
......anything.
<no worries... bristle worms are great for sand
ecology. They only flourish if you overfeed, under skim, lack of water
changes, etc>
Wrasses should keep these in check.
<correct>
If
not a Wrasse, have you any suggestions?
<besides Fairy wrasses,
Firefish and delightful for the aesthetic>
Tell Anthony, that the
folks at Elmer's Aquarium say " Hello". Thanks!
<excellent to hear!
Cheers, my friend>
Steve Scott( A frequent Customer at Elmer's, and
dedicated reader of your fine website!). You folks saved me a lot of
frustration and probably many a fish life!
<great to hear it... kind
regards. Anthony Marine Livestocking (Lined Wrasses, Angels)
Hi guys,
<Hello>
I'm setting up a small reef tank in a 50G
Uniquarium. I'm planning on making it a clownfish habitat minus the
anemones. I'll be using leathers or hairy mushrooms as surrogates. My
question is around fish compatibility. I'll have 3 ocellaris clowns and
one small yellow or purple tang (he will be transplanted to a 125G
later). Could I keep a four lined wrasse, a six lined wrasse, and an
orchid Dottyback together? I'm using Live rock, a deep sandbed, and
skimmer for filtration. Please let me know.
<Mmm, not a good idea in
this size system to have more than just one of these fishes. The Lined
Wrasses don't mix by and large (except in very large systems), and too
often Dottybacks and they will fight when crowded as well... I would
leave off with all three here if your main desire is to have a peaceful
"Clown tank", or if set on one of the three, look for a more easygoing
tank-bred pseudochromid species.>
Question #2 - I have some smaller
bristleworms in the Fiji rock that I'm not concerned about, however I
spotted a larger one the other night- 3-4". Does he need to go, or do I
leave him in until I find a reason to remove him?
<The latter IMO>
On a similar note, I have a hairy crab that came with the rock, and I
don't believe he is an emerald. All he seems to do is graze algae. Go or
stay?
<Hold off on its removal for now as well>
Final question,
I'm setting up a FOWLR - 125G - 72X18X23. I'm looking for a large angel
to serve as the center piece for this system. I'm evaluating scribbled,
Map, Asfur, Imperator, and French. Which of these would I be able to
keep, and which would grow too large for the system?
<All listed
could be kept for a while as young (till about six inches or so), the
French the longest, but none could, will live to be full-size, age in
this size system (need at least twice the gallonage). Look to the
Angelfish genera Centropyge, Genicanthus instead>
I will most likely
set up a 30G refugium in addition to the existing Wet/Dry which I will
convert to a plain sump. This should give me ~180G of capacity.
<Lots
of good ideas here. I encourage you to do a bit more delving, thinking
over the stocking mix. Bob Fenner>
Thanks,
Chris
Pseudocheilinus ocellatus eating shrimp - 2/15/03
What should I
do with a Pseudocheilinus ocellatus (5 bar mystery) wrasse that has an
appetite for shrimp, particularly cleaner shrimp. <Yeah. A little
research would have helped here as this is not uncommon with this fish.
In any event, I think someone has to go.> I'm not sure he's worth it now
after ordering it. <Sorry to hear that. Such a beautiful animal> Anyone
at WWM possibly interested in a donation for the cost of shipping? <Wow.
That is very nice of you. What about a nice LFS or a local aquarium
which in turn might really need the donation? Maybe you can get money or
credit for him? Maybe try trading him at a local reef/fish club? Thank
you much for the offer, but I would definitely check around locally
first. Make lemonade since you have a lemon, so to speak! If not, let us
know maybe someone on the crew might want it. Thanks again, Michael.>
Wrasse And A Bass(let)!
Would I be successful trying to put a
Basslet in the same 75g reef tank with a Pseudocheilinus wrasse? I'm
worried about potential conflicts, although the Basslet doesn't get out
much! At times, the Pseudocheilinus wrasse seems to be somewhat of an
aggressive little one.
<Yep-some of those little P. hexataenia
(Sixline Wrasses) can be feisty little guys! Make sure that the Basslet
that you're putting in there, however, is one of the more "sociable"
ones...As long as there is sufficient "territory" for everyone in there,
things should be okay, in my opinion. I've kept this combination of
fishes before without incident...Also, make sure that the fishes are
within similar size ranges, this usually keeps a "balance of terror"! >
Thank you so much for lending us aspiring wannabe marine biologists and
zoologists a hand!
<And thanks for thinking of us fish nerds! Hope
that things work out great! Regards, Scott F> Wrasse and Shrimp
I recently purchased a Pseudocheilinus ocellatus and he is attacking my
two cleaner shrimp. Is this normal?
<Not uncommon>
I expected
cleaner shrimp to have anonymity from all fish.
<Not so>
Did I
make a mistake by feeding him fresh cut up shrimp to start him feeding?
He just bit one of the feelers off of one, and they are both hugging the
side of the tank.
<They should be separated post haste. Bob Fenner>
-6-lined wrasse problem-
<Good morning, JasonC here...>
Thank you for your time reading my mail, I have a question, couple days
ago I bought a 6-lined wrasse from a LFS, very good looking (they all
look the same, I know) and healthy, I bought him is because I have an
outbreak of LOTS of little worms, looks like little brittle worm, around
5mm or so, and I caught 2 big brittle worm recently also.
He is
intended for my 2 months old 10G tank, all water parameters are normal,
there are couple corals, a yellow watchman goby, a cleaner shrimp, an
emerald crab, 2 red-legged hermit crab, and couple snails, all these are
doing very good.
My problem is, when the wrasse was introduced, he
always like to swim near the goby's home, which is a LR cave, and the
goby always come out to defend and I have seen the goby dash to the
wrasse to try to bit him, after 3 days, I think they finally settle
down, the size of the goby and the wrasse are pretty much the same,
around 1.5"-2". But today I notice one of the eye on the wrasse have
popped out a little bit and both fins have rot a bit also, looks like
bite marks, so I believe those are caused by the fighting between both,
btw the goby is totally fine, the wrasse still eat and swim around like
normal, he likes to swim around the coral a lot. So I am wondering do I
need to take him out and put into a QT tank and let him recover? <That
is the 'best' choice but if things have genuinely settled down, would
heal about the same speed in the tank where it is now, provided it's not
getting picked on. You do understand that this system is small...
perhaps too small for two territorial fish.> or just let him in there to
recover slowly? I have read through your site about aggression and
pop-eye symptom, and I know I can use Epsom salt to treat the eye, but
is it necessary? <Not necessary... will just speed healing.> can I put
the salt into the main tank without affecting the corals? <Hmm... again
due to tank size, I would lean towards not adding any additional salts.>
I don't want the wrasse to get worse, or with any secondary bacterial
infections, but I was thinking if I take him out right now it will
stress him out even more, coz I just bought him from the LFS couple days
ago, and even if he recovered in the QT tank and once I introduce him
back to the 10G tank again, will the goby attack him again? <Probably.>
the wrasse seems don't even fight back, don't know why, and is there
anything I can do to prevent this from happening? <Get a larger tank.>
coz I am thinking to get a small clown also, I want to get this solved
before another fish (last one) is added, I don't want it get into a war
zone between them. <The [right] clown would be a safer bet as far as
aggression goes, but this system is too small to house more than two
small fish -take your pick.>
Thank you for any suggestions that you
can give and really great site that you have there, I read it a lot and
I have learned a LOT, thanks again.
Michael
<Cheers, J -- >
Sixline With An Attitude!
Hello to all WWM Crew from a rather
cold UK!!
<Hi there! Scott F. with you today!>
Just a quick
question if you can spare a sec to advise.
<Glad to...>
I
purchased a six line wrasse from my LFS about two weeks ago and he was
fine, a nice peaceful addition..... Until now.
<Uhh-Ohh...>
The
tank consists of a Coral Beauty, shrimp goby and his Tiger pistol shrimp
pal and a Firefish in addition to the Wrasse. The tank is 40gallons with
Live Rock, a cleanup crew of a few snails and hermits.
<Sounds like a
neat mix!>
Up till about Sunday, they were all getting along fine,
but now the Wrasse has taken a disliking to the firefish. Whenever the
firefish moves he darts at him and chases him. I'm worried that the
stress is going to tip the Firefish over the edge!!! My LFS said the
Wrasse was a fine addition to the tank and was not bothered about having
any territory (so not aggressive), but I'm not so sure?
<Well, I love
Sixline Wrasses! They are a lot of fun to watch, are gorgeous, and have
great personalities. Unfortunately, you may encounter an individual
(like you did!) who takes a disliking to another fish (usually a more
docile species) and pesters it relentlessly>
Can you offer any advice
to try and curb his aggression? I've tried re-arranging the rock but
this doesn't seem to have had any effect. The next course of action is
to fish him out and take him back. The only problem is I do like this
fish and I'm really happy with the way the tank is looking so it's a
shame to have to re-arrange the rock to try and catch him stressing all
parties concerned. But the Firefish comes first and he was the first in
the tank so please any help on my dilemma would be much appreciated.
Many thanks
Martin.
<Well, Martin- it certainly is a difficult
dilemma! I'm afraid that I don't have any new and unique secret
techniques for this problem! A thought here is that you could add
another Sixline, as this could "distract" the resident Sixline. On the
other hand, if could prove to be disaster, particularly for the
newcomer. My other tried-and-true solution is to (gulp) re-arrange the
rock. Not a fun thing to do, but it often works. On the other hand, if
it doesn't- you will have gone to all that trouble, only to have the
same problem, and an aquascape that you may not like as much! In the
end, removing one of the two parties may be the only ay to restore some
sort of peace in the tank. It's your call, so do consider the
alternatives carefully! Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Sixline Wrasse -A Real Gas!
Hello Scott,
<Hi there!>
Before
I buy a 6 line wrasse, I would like to know if my inverts are safe???
<Well, these fish are generally model citizens, and real characters!
However, larger ones can occasionally munch on some of the smaller
shrimp that we tend to keep in aquaria from time to time. On the whole,
I would not be overly-concerned here, with these caveats. Enjoy!
Regards, Scott F.> Pass On The Wrasse?
Dear Scott,
<Hey there!>
Thanx again. Just wonder, as you didn't mention in your
reply, about the 6 line-wrasse.
<Oops- must have been sniffing too
much coral glue last night! Sorry..>
Do you think it will be a
problem with the hermits and snails??
<Not to the extent of other
wrasses. In fact, Sixlines are good fishes to have if you keep clams,
because they are known predators of snails that can bore into clam
mantles, causing damage>
Basically, wondered how the wrasse would
work out with hermit crabs and snails and if it could get along with a
goby as they both seem to like the substrate areas.
<They might prey
on smaller snails and hermits, but are usually very peaceful with other
fishes. You'll just have to consider the possibilities and decide what
works best for you>
If you have time let me know what you think. If
you're too busy I understand.
<Never too busy!>
Actually, I'm not
sure how you manage to answer so many emails in one day! You must be a
quick reader or typist!
<Well, there are about 20 of us crazy fish
nerds on call, so we manage just fine! Besides, this is FUN!>
Regards, Greg
<Any time! Take care! Scott F.>
ps If what is a "Sea
Swirl"? (I'm a Sea Swirl man, myself) If I want the sinusoidal wave
thing here could you send to China and could I call to give a VISA
number so it's not going out over the internet (not sure yet if I wanna
get one now, but just in case). Pseudocheilinus hexataenia
Question:
Hello,
<Hi! Ryan Bowen helping you today>
I'm
new. <Great! Welcome> I've been reading a lot of your advice today. I
noticed that someone contradicted something and now I'm not sure what's
right and what's wrong. <So common in this hobby!> We need to buy a
sixline wrasse to save our clam from Pyram snails. <Or you could
quarantine your livestock prior to introduction!> The problem is Scott
F. says their great fish usually very safe in a reef tank and may pick
on shy fish like Firefish, however; one of the other guys said they are
ferocious. So who is right? <Both, because they owned different
wrasses. Wrasses have lots of personality, and each fish is truly an
individual. Perhaps some careful observation of your new tenant prior
to purchase will lend some insight into his personality. With this
fish, and some other marine fishes, you've just got to have a little
luck with a good specimen. I don't see this becoming a huge problem,
but buy a youngan' to be certain. Good luck, Ryan> Thanx for any help
you can send our way. Keep up the good work. Rina Will His
Hermits Become "Feeder Crabs?" (9/8/04)
Hello All, <Hi. Steve
Allen Today>
Question as it is simple... I love my 100 plus blue leg
hermit crabs. They keep the hair algae in control... well actually they
removed it all. I wanted to buy a 12 line wrasse (looks like the 6 line
but green in color) what will be the chance that it we decide that blue
legs are taste? <Members of this genus are well-known as predators of
crustaceans. I'd say there's a pretty good chance it will enjoy a hermit
crab banquet over time.> I know anything can happen with fish... My
Lemon Peel Angle suddenly took out my cleaner shrimp, weird hey? <Edible
is edible.> Took me awhile to figure out what was killing them until I
purchased another one and "BAM" took the eyes off <ouch!> and the dinner
was served. I would like to know if I get the wrasse will the hermits
days be numbered? <Quite probably.> Or am I better not going there and
let my hermits keep the hair algae out of my tank... <If you love your
hermits and appreciate their handiwork, why take a chance? Go with
something that has a much lower probability of munching them.> Thanks
much, Paul
Six-Line and Micro Diversity
I bought a
JBL nano reef for my office and cycled it with live rock and live sand
from my display tank. The rock was teeming with 'pods, bristle and
other worms, and Mysis shrimp. The cycling is over and I have survived
the cycle and the diatoms stage so it is time for stocking. Other than
the above, the tank has some red mushrooms, assorted snails, and a
peppermint shrimp.
I purchased a tiny Percula and six-line for the
tank and they have finished their 5 week quarantine.
I just moved
the Percula into the nano tank but am having second thoughts about
moving the six-line. My question is simple will he/she wreak havoc on my
micro-diversity or can some of it survive with him/her in the nano. The
Percula and the six-line got along well with each other in the
quarantine tank so I am pretty sure that they will get along in the nano
but I am concerned about a loss of micro-diversity. My other option is
to putting him/her into my display tank.
What do the WetWebMedia
sages recommend???
Thanks.
Mark
***Hello Mark,
The short
answer to your question is yes, a sixline can and will wreak havoc on
the creatures you mention. In a larger tank this is not always the case,
however in such cramped surroundings it's a given. This fish is a
micropredator! Secondly, I wouldn't put a six line wrasse in such a
small tank due to space reasons. It may be a small fish, but it needs
swimming room. Mine uses every inch of his 48x24x24 tank. 12 gallons is
a bit to cramped for this fish, especially as an adult.
Cheers
Jim***
I would like some advice about the impact of a six-line
wrasse on the worms,
'pods and Mysis shrimp in my nano reef.
Shrimp vs. wrasse 6/30/04
Hello-Question? My sixline wrasse ate
most of my cleaner shrimps legs. This all started right after he
molted.
<Shrimps and wrasses are like sheep and wolves. Also,
shrimp are very vulnerable post molt.>
I have him in a net box to
keep him out of harms way, but I was wondering-will the shrimps legs
grow back? I been trying to feed him by my hand, which is not
working. So I dunno if I should just keep him till he dies or take him
back to the fish store.
<If the shrimp is able to take food, it may
grow some of the legs back, but you won't see them until the next
molt. I don't see any benefit to returning it to your LFS.>
Also my
firefish, although he is active and eats a lot, looks very malnourished.
I feed him formula one frozen food. Is there anything else I can do? I
am guessing that my wrasse is a very aggressive fish and my tank may be
just too small.
<Firefish really benefit from several feedings per
day. They also don't compete well with aggressive feeders like
wrasses. You may have to give one or the other up. Best Regards. Adam
C.>
Wrasse Behavior Question
Hi:)
A quick
question about the eight line flasher <?> wrasse. If I order a male and
a female can they be introduced together to the same tank without
aggressive behavior? In other words do they always get along or could
one pick on the other? Thanks for your time.......
Janey
<Hi
Janey. In any captive system, certainly the smaller ones (100 gallons
or less) there is a chance that ANY fish can be tormented by
another. But, however, male and female wrasses can pair up. I have
kept a small harem of flasher wrasses myself. In 150 gallons, one male
and 5 females were peaceful. I'm not sure how large your system is, but
I'd arrange the ratio similarly.
Thanks,
Ryan>
Sixline Wrasse
Hi Bob, <Hi Pam, MacL here with you today.>
We have a 20 gallon salt water tank, new to us (we have had it maybe 2
weeks) but the guy before us had it for 3 years. <Marvelous, Sounds
quite lovely.> It contains a 4 inch long maroon clown, a small green
Chromis (spelling?), a HUGE brittle star (8 inch legs on a half-dollar
sized body),<What color is the brittle star, if its Green that could be
a potential problem.> 1 red legged hermit crab, 2 black/white stripped
leg crab, a few mushroom corals, and some other "stuff". We were having
a problem with flatworms on our coral, so we purchased a Sixline wrasse
two days ago and tossed him in to take care of that. We also have an
abundance of bristleworms and hoped he would take care of that too.
Ok so, problem is this -- The little cubby that the wrasse sleeps in at
night... the bristleworms attack him!! We watch them sting him and he
flinches and writhes, but he never moves to another spot. <Dang, how big
are the bristles? Is he large enough to get them? I know Dottybacks will
eat bristles but I have never heard of a six line eating them. I know
that they will eat flatworms at leas some types. Most of the time the
six lines will choose a place to stay for a night and then they will
move the next day after finding another safe place.> We are afraid the
worms will kill him. He looked so haggard this morning. Any words of
wisdom? <An arrow crab will also eat the bristleworms. Or you can catch
them with tweezers and remove them from the tank. Normally bristleworms
aren't bad creatures, they clean and remove detritus.>
Thanks,
Pam
Sixline wrasse to consume bristle worms
Hi,
I
know bristle worms attack clams, so I intend to put a 6-line wrasse in
the tank to protect it. Will he try to feed off from the clam also?
<< No, six line wrasse are very clam safe. You may want to keep the
clam off the bottom of your tank if you are worried about worms. >>
<< Blundell >> - Six-line Wrasse Question -
Hi, just a quick question ... ( I know, they all start out quick) -
anyway, I have a 90 gallon set up with good water parameters that has
been up for 3-4 years. I thought I was set - was happy with my little
wet friends (and they with each other so I thought) and had no plans on
changing/adding anything.
I've been reading about the
six lined wrasse - and was wondering if mine could have killed my small
blue tang and dwarf angel? I've read that they are normally "peaceful"
with other species if not very outgoing and active fish (and really
pretty too!) and recently learned can be a little crappy at times <Do
you mean "crabby" as in grumpy? Then yes... six line wrasses can seem a
little vindictive at times.> - I did notice that their fins were pretty
chewed up just before my crabs got to make a meal out of them but have
been trying to figure out why - no signs of disease (eating well, very
active) - and since I do watch them off and on during the day (I work
from home) - there didn't seem to be any conflict problems (though, who
knows at night). The tang was very small (the newest and was my planned
last addition) - smaller than the six line ... but my dwarf angel was
larger (about 4 - 4.5") and had been in the tank for a about 5 months
prior to the addition of the six line. <It is quite possible...
certainly for the small tang, have seen six line wrasses hassle other
fish to death, although never a pygmy angel. I suppose it's possible,
but could have easily been from other causes.> I have a good amount of
live rock - (not really sure just how much in lbs - but covers a good
portion of the tank) - I just replaced the angel (it was a really nice
multi-colored angel - silvery white with bright blue & yellow on it's
head and fins...but don't have the funds for another one - a little
pricey) - with a coral beauty. Anyway, could this little guy (about 3"
so about full grown now) - be the trouble maker? <At this size, very
possible.> Suddenly deciding that he's "a grown-up" now? <Or perhaps
just not to be trifled with.> One of my two Percs seems to be in the
same boat now (the smaller of the 2)...
I suspect the answer is yes,
but just wondering your opinion and any suggestions if you feel he is
the problem. <Would spend the weekend watching the tank from a small
distance so you have a scope of most everything going on - being there
with your face pressed against the glass may not reveal the behavior. If
you see the aggression, then you'll know the truth.> They were all in
the tank together for a while before any problems started to sneak up.
<Attitudes change over time.> Thanks
I currently have:
lots of
hermit crabs / snails
2 cleaner shrimp (I know - could be food
someday ...)
1 blue damsel 3"
2 false percula clowns ( 1 @ 2"
the other at about 3.5" )
1 six lined wrasse (about 2.5 - 3" )
1
yellow Coris (4-4.5") (not really the Coris species - and yes, the do
get along just fine)
1 fridmani (??) Pseudochromis (about 3")
1
Coral Beauty (newest addition) (about 4")
(PS - your site has helped
me greatly in the past in my selection of fishes and really helped curb
that impulse purchase before researching - so my many thanks !)
Oh,
and what would you think about a Christmas wrasse in this mix? I've
read that they are also generally on the "peaceful" side - (the
Halichoeres ornatissimus). <Yes, but they need space - tend to zoom from
end to end of a system and will likely be cramped in this system. I
would recommend against it.> I love their color and really like wrasse,
but know that compatibility can be an issue with multiple of the same
genus. <I have three wrasses in my tank - they don't cause each other
any trouble, but still... space is a factor. If I were you I'd pick a
smaller wrasse.> This will definitely max out my tank - :-)
<Cheers, J -- > Tanks for the Marine Answers
Thanks so much for your quick response and advice! I will definitely
watch them more closely (from a distance) to see if there is a problem.
Though I have noticed recently - which is exactly what you've said -
that the little six line does seem to have the attitude of "don't mess
with me!" but not outright harassing - anyway, many thanks - again!
< Not sure who helped you, but on their behalf I'll say "you're welcome"
and we hope we helped. >
< Blundell > Evil Sixline Wrasse -
08/08/2005
I added a sixline wrasse to my 29 gallon reef a few
months ago that contained a common clown, two skunk cleaner shrimps, an
emerald crab, a handful of hermit crabs, some cerith snails, etc.
<Sounds good.... so far.... The word "evil" in your e-mail's subject
leads me to believe that all did not *stay* good....>
Earlier this
summer, when I returned from a week's vacation, I discovered that the
sixline, after being in my tank for only two weeks, had killed both
cleaner shrimps, the emerald crab, and most of my hermit crab
population.
<Yikes! Though, I have heard/read of them taking out
shrimp, on occasion.... I personally prefer the fourline, P.
tetrataenia, which is reportedly less apt to mess with your crusties.>
Also, my "pod" population has dramatically fallen,
<Very much to be
expected.>
as well as the cerith and dwarf brittlestar numbers.
<I'm a touch surprised at the snail, but the little brittles - yeah, I
imagine they might be snacked upon.>
I have seen my sixline nipping
at snails and the surviving hermits and am sure that this other decline
in microfauna can be attributed to him. These fish are supposedly reef
safe,
<Well, to a degree, yes. Mandarinfish are "reef safe", as
well, but will consume enough pods and such to wipe out all but very
large systems in rather short amounts of time. I think what is commonly
meant by "reef safe" is that the animal is unlikely to harass corals.>
and I have only heard of one other "bad" sixline that kills fish.
<They do seem quite fish-safe.>
Is it safe to say that my fish
cannot be trusted around any other invertebrates?
<I would say this
is a correct assumption.>
Mine seems to be best of buddies with my
clownfish....
<And should continue to be so, should you
choose to keep him. I doubt you will see any aggression between these
two.>
A reef just isn't the same without invertebrates running
around....
<Agreed. For this reason, I am not
considering a sixline in my system.>
Thanks for your time.
<And
thanks for writing in. Next time, do be certain to read as much as you
can about a potential addition to your tank prior to adding it; there is
much information on the web and even on WWM about this and other
Pseudocheilinus' tastes for inverts. Wishing you well, -Sabrina>
Wrasse And Gramma Compatibility - 08/04/2005
Would a sixline
wrasse and a royal Gramma likely be compatible in a 90 gallon tank?
<Yes, highly likely. I have a pal with a fourline and a royal Gramma in
a 55g, and over the past year that he's had them, there have been no
compatibility issues whatsoever. There are, however, exceptions to
every rule.>
Thanks.
<Wishing you well, -Sabrina> Fish
Compatibility 8/4/05
Would a sixline wrasse and a royal Gramma
likely be compatible in a 90 gallon tank? Thanks.
<Hi Jon...
Provided your fish load is low, you shouldn't run into any serious
situations with these two particular fish. Both do have the potential to
be somewhat aggressive, therefore it would be best if you add them as
juveniles simultaneously. - Ali>
Six-line wrasse and crab compatibility 8/4/05
Hi, <Hello, Jed>
I recently inherited a six-line wrasse from a friend getting out of the
hobby. Being the fool I am I happily took the wrasse knowing little
about it other than it was reef safe and moderately aggressive. The
aggression should not be a problem but I now have learned that a few
lined wrasses will eat hermit crabs. Now here is my problem I have a
small number of scarlet hermit crabs (five to six) and I am worried
about them being eaten. I can't give the fish back because it means a
lot to my friend that I keep her favorite fish, and she wants visitation
rights. The wrasse is only two inches long but I am still worried that
the wrasse may eat the crabs which I also want to keep. So do you think
a two inch six-line wrasse will pose a threat to my scarlet hermit
crabs? <Jed, the six lined wrasse should be just fine with the crabs,
they are reef safe. James (Salty Dog)>
Thank you very much,<You're
welcome>
Jed Six-Line Wrasse and Expensive Meals 01/22/06
To the esteemed wet web media crew:
<<Hello - Ted here>>
I have
a 55-gallon FOWLR tank with approximately 70 pounds of live rock, a
1-inch crushed-coral bottom, an external Magnum 350 canister filter, two
powerheads, and an Excalibur skimmer. I also use a small HOB refugium
with an opposite light cycle. The tank and refugium both have
Chaetomorpha macroalgae, and have been up for about a year. The stock
includes a flame angel, two true perculas, four yellow Chromises, 1
cleaner shrimp, and three peppermint shrimp. I also have an assortment
of snails and hermit crabs. I thought about adding a six-line wrasse as
the final fish, but noted in your FAQs they may eat the shrimp.<<They
will also eat snails and hermit crabs.>> Should I pass on the Six-Line
and try for a fairy or flasher wrasse?<<Pass on the Six-Line if you
value your invertebrates.>> I've not seen either a Flasher or Fairy
wrasse for sale in three fish stores I frequent.<<Virtually all wrasses
are capable of eating snails, hermit crabs or shrimps. Fairy wrasses may
not be as inclined but you should be beware of the risk.>> I like the
shrimp (although the cleaner shrimp is the only one routinely seen
without searching), and can think of less expensive meals for the
fish. Thank you for your help.
<<You're welcome - Ted>>
Six Line and Pod Relationship - 01/24/06
I have a 40
gallon reef tank (2 years old).
<Cool.>
I recently added a
small sixline wrasse (approximately 1 1/2 inches) which is the only
copepod eater in the tank. Tankmates are: hermit crabs, corals, 1 pair
of percula clowns, and three bar gobies. I am wondering how often I
need to replenish the
copepod population? I have found a couple
places that I can order them online. Any advice on this would be
greatly appreciated.
<Six-Lines are skillful pod hunters it could
easily destroy your population every few weeks. The bottled products are
great to seed tanks but they are expensive for regular usage. At this
rate it will be quite pricey to keep buying culture pods, so why not
spawn your own? Look into a refugium, a small hang on variety such as
those offered by Eco-System and CPR would be a great addition for your
tank.>
Thank you, Pam
Vlatas
<Adam Jackson.>
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