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Tank upgrade, reef?... Poor ideas/notions, not reading 4/24/07
To Crew
I have been reading over your site, but I am not sure if I am on the right
track. I hope you will spare your time for some advice. I am upgrading my
current 75 gallon tank with heavy bio-load to a 150 gallon tank.
My current 75 has:
2 canister filters, aqua c skimmer, shell substrate and some LR. Occupants are a
black volitans, porcupine puffer, majestic angel, marine Betta, cardinal, maroon
clown, Bannerfish, sailfin tang, ch. chip starfish, black spike urchin and 3
tube anemones (separated as to not sting each other).
<Don't have to touch to toxify this system, each other... See WWM re
Cerianthus... is this the genus these animals are?>
My concerns regarding the 150 are:
Use of a 1" sand bed is more beneficial than shells, due to more organisms
inhibiting the sand. I am going to use regular aragonite sand and use 1 bag of
"live" sand to seed the "non-live". The LR will also be used, with the addition
of more when the $$ allows. Depending on the filtration, the skimmer can be
placed in the filter area. Due to the size of the tank, using the 2-3 watts per
gallon rule, can the heater be put in the filter area?
<Can>
If so, would a 500 watt digital thermometer
<?>
in the filter and the temp probe in the main display be advised or would it be
advised to use 2 250 watts in the main display?
<The latter>
My main confusion is the filtration. The tank is not drilled, and I don't have
the means to drill it.
<The manufacturer can/will, as well as your LFS likely...>
(If able, is there a formula for how many, what size & where to place, the
outlets?)
<Yes, posted:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marsetupindex2.htm
scroll down, the second tray...>
Here I will use the CPR brand vs. the U-tube,
<Not recommended...>
I understand they are recommended?
<Not by use>
I not sure which to utilize here: Canisters- I've heard Eheim Pro Series are a
good filter.
<Not the best approach to marine filtration... again... Why didn't you look,
read before writing here?>
These don't rely on gravity and use little electric. Would they be able to
maintain a 150 sufficiently with weekly maintenance?
<No>
Wet/Dry/Trickle- One rated over 150 gallons. These using bio-balls would help
with the heavy bio-load and messy eaters? (watching the nitrates, of course).
Sump- Making a model of the 29 gallon sump featured on the site. With the use of
no bio-balls? If a W/D/T or sump is advised, would it be of use to use a
canister for carbon and water movement? In your opinion, would you benefit more
from the use of boxed "seawater" or synthetic salt mix for bacteria and cycle
time?
Lastly, if the use of a Magnum HOT filter is used for a QT or hospital tank, can
you use the sponge sleeve in the main filter to seed? Or these are not
recommended.
Thank you in advance for your time and valued opinion for the health of my
livestock.
<Have just skipped down. Please... follow instructions. Use the indices, search
tool on WWM... the answers to your simple questions above and much of the needed
related material is gone over and over already there. Bob Fenner>
Re: Tank upgrade... Poor ideas/notions, not reading 4/25/07
Thank you for your reply, although you did not answer my question directly.
<Which? You need to READ... What isn't clear here?>
I know one answer does not pertain to everyone. After reading over "millions" of
Q&A's to find what your looking for it can get confusing when there is no "like
this" answer. (mainly between wet/dry or sump?)
<Not the nature of our sites... nor instructive IMO... there is just so much
"related material" that our current approach to making known what needs to be
made known... through articles (never going to be complete), and others
enquiries is about all we can do presently>
Thus, "asking a question". Please don't take this the wrong way, maybe
re-reading I'll find the answers to my "simple questions". I realize you donate
your time to this and think that's wonderful. (maybe you could post a "specific
like this" page) Quoting crew
<crew@mail.wetwebmedia.com>:
<The search tool, cached versions/views should get you this (highlighted
terms...). BobF>
In a fix and need advice, SW set-up... pb... 4/21/07
Bob
<Tom>
Thanks for the advice and for getting me headed in the right direction. I want
to take the time to comment on the great information you and your staff provide.
I have learned so much over the past month and would have made an expensive
mistake it if had not been for the information provided in the articles and
related FAQ's. Once again, thanks for shedding some light on things.
<Welcome>
Since we last chatted, I cancelled the order for the sump, skimmer, and calcium
reactor. I have since purchased a CS250 Euro-Reef protein skimmer. I am also in
the planning stages on a sump that will be 72"x18"x24" that will be behind the
display tank in an adjoining storage room.
<Nice>
I have access to water (hot water tank feed), electricity (gas furnace), and a
drain. This looks like a good place for the sump because I have ample space for
equipment, can insulate room to help cut down on the noise of external pumps,
perform water changes, and have a storage area for make-up water. The only
negatives I can think of would be if I had to get the hot water heater or
furnace replaced. Any thoughts on this plan?
<Mmm, good to have such access, a "back room"... do just leave space
around/access to such appliances... as they eventually do have to be serviced,
replaced>
Do you think the humidity would be a detriment to the gas heater or to the room?
<Maybe... I'd contact the manufacturer re their suggestions>
My planned system is as follows:
1) 215 gallon Oceanic with 4 drains(1.5"), and 4 returns(1"), the center
bulkhead will be feeding a closed loop system for circulation using 1" PVC
and 12-14 1/2" nozzles.
2) 72"x18"x18" sump with compartments for skimmer, refugium, chemical,
mechanical filtration. and return water.
3) two external pumps, one for the closed loop and one for the return system
water
4) three 250w heaters (Visitherm)
5) DSB of 5"-6"
6) 250-300lbs of liverock
7) Outer Orbit 72" 3x 250w MH, t5's, HQI's and blue/white led's for a total of
1062w
Now for the questions, you just knew they were coming lol. My goal is to have a
system that will allow me to keep fishes along with invertebrates in the
beginning, I do want to be able to keep corals sometime in the future after I do
a lot of research and reading. I want to do everything I can for the health and
well being of my "charges". I want this system set-up to be designed right from
the beginning and for the long haul as well as flexible enough to maintain all
marine life so long as I do my part.
Questions:
1) Do you feel that I will get sufficient flow from the three, 1 1/2" drains?
Would 2" at the same number be better?
<Much>
(woops, that was two questions lol)
2) What percentage of the total flow rate(3225 gph-4300 gph at head) is ideal to
push though the sump?
<Mmm, the refugium portion... much less... Posted:
http://wetwebmedia.com/refugpumpfaqs.htm>
I know this has to do with many factors, such as drain size/number, pump size,
sump design/size, and I am sure I am missing a few other things here, but, I
would like a solid number so I can design the sump to handle this flow rate
percentage.
<Most all are covered on WWM... read on>
3) Will using a true union valve between the sump and intake side of the system
pump (for removal and maintenance of pump only) cause too much restriction on
the pump if left in the "open position" while in normal use? This will be an
external pump.
<Nope>
These are the questions I have at the moment, I do appreciate the time and
effort you put into this site and I do enjoy the learning experience. Thanks to
your wisdom, advice, and experiences, I know where I want to go, just struggling
with the how's and best methods to accomplish my goals.
<No need/use in "struggling"... take all a bit at a time... Reduce to simpler
questions, stated goals... You'll do fine>
Hopefully, in the end, I will have a system that is balanced, reliable, thought
out, and a real joy for the inhabitants (my wet friends) and for onlookers as
well. I know I can get there with proper guidance, time, and the information
provided here.
Thanks and Best Wishes
Tom
P.S. Great Book, "The Conscientious Marine Aquarist", Everyone should read it at
least once if not twice!
<Thank you for this. Bob Fenner>
Upgrading to a bigger tank! Using WWM... 4/14/07
I am upgrading from a 75 gallon tank with fish, LR & anemones
<... not a good idea to mix species...>
to a 150 gallon tank. I have a couple questions and would appreciate your help.
I just got done with an ick outbreak, due to adding a new fish w/o QT.
Therefore, here are my concerns.
I want to use the LR in my current tank, would it still house the ick?
<Posted>
Would you recommend bleaching it first before adding it to the 150?
<No>
Do anemones?
<What?>
In the 75 I have shells for substrate.
<... not advised...>
I want to go with LS for the 150. I will use approx. 1", would using 50/50
(LS/non-L/S) be ok?
<Posted...>
I currently have 2 eheim
<Proper nouns are capitalized>
2026 canisters on the 75. Can these be used on the 150, as they would not house
ick?
<...?>
I know a sump would be much better. If
using a sump, would you recommend a CPR overflow with one or two outlets?
<Don't suggest such overflows... which you would know if you had taken the time,
read...>
Since the 150 is coming from another person, not brand new, would you recommend
bleaching it?
Thank you for your valuable time.
Dawnc
<Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/index.htm
and learn to/use the search tool. Bob Fenner>
In a fix and need advice... Actually just need to read on WWM re plumbing
designs et al. related material 4/2/07
Hello,
<Hi there>
I am currently in the process of setting up a 215 gallon reef. I want to use the
oceanic
<Product, proper noun, capitalized>
with the overflows, but, from what I have read in you FAQ's, they
are undersized. How can I get around this?
<Have them (custom order) or someone else drill more, larger...>
I want to be able to turn over the water at least 10 times an hour without using
power heads. Can you spec out a tank from oceanic with the proper mod.s to allow
for this?
<You can... we/I could>
The fix comes in here, I have ordered a liferefugium 2 from _www.lifereef.com_ (http://www.lifereef.com)
. I need to know what changes I need to make to this set up work for the size
of tank I plan on setting up. I think the pump and sump size might be of
concern. Please advise me on this so I can make the appropriate changes BEFORE
he starts the build.
Thanks in advance
Tom
<Umm, much more to know/tell than this process of writing back and forth will
grant... For instance, issues of the size of your pump/s volute/s, desired types
of overflows, ancillary plumbing for designated/dedicated circulation. Please
read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marsetupindex2.htm
The headings on Circulation, Plumbing... in order, top to bottom. Knowledge is
power; be powerful. Bob Fenner>
I'm confused and grey matter is running from my ears, Sm. Reef... to
larger, set-up 4/1/07
Bob,
<Sorry to disappoint, but tis' Brandon tonight.>
Great site - so great that my mind can't keep up!
<Thank you. Bob will see.>
I have an established 29 gallon with 20 lbs live sand and 30 lbs live rock with
a few fish and a brittle star and black long spine urchin. Small powerhead and
hang-on filter that filters the system about 4 times an hour.
<This is really really low. Ideally you want between 10-20 times an hour.>
I also have a vacant 75 gallon aquarium which I am READY to get started. I was
considering an AMiracle wet/dry filter system but after reading your site wasn't
so sure. What I've read on your site (which by the way is probably the MOST
complete) I had to wonder if a WD system would even be worth it.
<Could become a source of much unwanted NO3.>
If I stock the 75 gal with 10lbs of live rock and use the Remora Pro skimmer -
will it be enough filtration. I don't plan on having much in the way of coral
(at least for now). My main goal at the moment is a fish only with live rock
system.
<You really should consider about 1-2 pounds of LR per gallon. This would put
you between 75-150 pounds.>
Sorry for the STUPID question - I'm just really confused and want to get this
going ASAP.
<No need to apologize. We all started somewhere. In the future do try to spell
check before sending however. It takes time to proofread all incoming mail. We
are all volunteers, and this helps us a lot. Brandon.>
--Pete
Do I need a W/D or is there a better way? What if I introduce a few coral ?
<You can remove the filter floss and keep a sump. I would suggest reading up on
refugiums. NO3 can be both good and bad for coral. In low ranges it feeds
their Zooxanthellae. In high ranges, it will kill them.>
Re: I'm confused and grey matter is running from my ears... Brandon...
need titles that fit to find, re-find... FOWLR, Reef set-up? 4/2/07
Thanks for the response Brandon.
<No problem.>
You are right, I should spell check. I meant 100lbs of LR in the 75 gal (and
other mistakes).
<Ahhh. That sounds more like it with the LR.>
So, the setup without a WD would include two powerheads, the skimmer, 75-150lbs
of LR and what else?
<I would use a sump to create a refugium. You can get Plexiglas and silicon and
make compartments. One of these can be used to house your skimmer. Probably a
good idea to look into closed loop systems as well. This is a really good way
to get the flow rate that you need without the cluttered and ugly look of all
those power heads. You will need more than two by the way. You can buy two
really big ones (not recommended) or you can buy for little ones and mount them
in opposite corners of the tank, and face them at each other. This is a better
way of doing it. Closed loop would be ideal though.>
How does the left over "gunk" get out of the water after they feed?
<Well this is what you want a higher rate of flow for. It will keep the "gunk"
from settling, and eventually it will be picked up by the skimmer/mechanical
filter. I would look into some sort of mechanical filter. Even if it is no
more than a sponge on a return pump. You will need some carbon too. Beyond
that, hopefully you are not feeding so much that the food goes uneaten.>
Much thanks.
<You are most welcome. Do take some time to read up on the topics I have
outlined above. This will eliminate a lot of the confusion. Brandon.>
--Pete
Developing Reef Set-up - a Couple of Questions if You Please
3/30/07
Hello WWM Crew,
<Scott>
Thanks to your extraordinary web site, I am moving forward on a 135
gallon reef set-up, which has been up and running for about six months
now.
<Ahh!>
Now, if I may, I wonder if I can impose on you to help me with the
following questions.
The system includes an Ecosystem 3616 mud sump, which (based on
reading your site and Anthony Calfo and Bob Fenner's Reef Invertebrates
Book) was stocked with a "hand size" chunk of Chaetomorpha (after a four
week quarantine) in early February. Since then, the mud sump has been
running on a 24 hour illumination cycle and the size of the Chaeto has
almost quadrupled in size.
<Mmm... I'd start allowing some "lights off" time here... This algae
needs to "do" the reverse rxns of photosynthesis to stay healthy>
By all appearance it seems to be doing well. But yesterday, I was
perusing your daily "Questions" and saw a comment that suggested a 24
hour cycle is not good for this algae. Would the system be better off if
I turned off the lights, say eight hours during the peak daylight hours?
<Ahh! Yes... better to have the lights off/on in some sort of regular
(use timers) arrangement with the main/display lighting... can overlap,
but have lights off in/on both for a period of time daily>
Referring to the attached photo, can you help me identify this live
rock hitch hiker. It came on an original piece of live rock I used to
set up the system. It was about the size of a nickel when I first
noticed it, and has since grown larger than a quarter. It appears very
solid (calcium skeleton?)
<Yes... is definitely a Scleractinian...>
and has a very fine and short brown "fuzz" (especially around the edges)
which is hard to see from the photo.
<Parts of the living polyps>
I have checked many sources to try to ID this critter but can't make a
positive ID. My best guess is some type of SPS
<Is a Faviid I think... Perhaps a member of the genus Favites:
http://wetwebmedia.com/faviidae2.htm>
but this seems impossible given the fact that this is a relatively young
aquarium with associated "start-up" water chemistry.
<Mmm, no... life is persistent (thank goodness or its
equivalent...)... Much does "come back" on/with LR, LS>
Lastly (and I hope I am not asking too many questions) could I ask
your opinion about suitability of adding SPS to this system. The tank is
currently stocked with a cleaner shrimp and a blue legged hermit crab,
five fish (flame angel, bicolor blenny, purple firefish, sunrise
Pseudochromis and neon goby). Also a small colony of blue mushrooms -
low in the tank, along with some zoanthids, star polyps and various
sponges which came with my live rock. Water parameters are excellent
(nitrates and phosphates not detectable) and I am currently using
additives to stabilize Calcium around 400 ppm and Alkalinity around 10
dKH. pH is consistently above 8.3 and water temp is 81-83F. Total water
volume (including mud sump) is about 160 gallons and includes about 150
lbs of live rock and a 3/4" fine aragonite sand bed.
Lighting consists of three 150 watt HQIs and four 160 watt VHOs (three
Aqua-sun and one Actinic) which go on and off all day (max 480 watts at
a time to limit heat/light on the acrylic top of the tank). Lights are
roughly 10" above the top of the tank - acrylic top covers have been
removed for cooling and gas exchange. The tank height is 24".
<Mmm, could be done... the "SPS" colonies set on rock, higher up,
nearer the surface...>
To address potential "chemical warfare" between the corals, I use four
cups of carbon (in separate bags) in the mud sump per month; one cup
changed each week for stability. I also run a Euro-Reef CS-135
continuously.
<Ah, good>
My goal (hope) is to add a few SPS - possibly aquacultured Montipora,
Bird's Nest Coral and maybe Acropora. Apart from these additions, I am
considering limiting any future additions to a few (non coral)
invertebrates (perhaps a tuxedo urchin, serpent star, Fromia star and/or
possible a few feather worms).
<Good choices>
Now (finally!) for my last question - Do you think I have adequate
lighting if I place the SPS near the top of the tank?
<Yes>
And would I have potential chemical aggression problems between the soft
corals and SPS given the above conditions?
<Mmm, not likely... at this age, start of their establishment...
placing the new specimens a bit away distance-wise, from the other
"older" cnidarians>
I hope I am not being a bother with so many questions. I believe I am
on the right track but am by no means and expert and would really
appreciate learning your thoughts before I do something stupid which
could potentially hurt the fish/invertebrates in my care.
<No worries>
Thank in advance for your reply.
Scott
<Welcome my friend. Bob Fenner>
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My first tank 03/23/07
Hi, great site that you have.
<Thank you and credit to all the crew>
I think that this is a simple question, but I can't ever seem to get the same
answer twice.
I'm new at this. I bought a 72 gal, pre-drilled tank. I have an aqua pro filter,
with a built in protein skimmer.
<I'm not familiar with this filter system?>
I have a 700-gph pump in it.
<Would benefit with the addition of a powerhead, extra water movement, we are
aiming for around 15x turnover and at the moment you have just under 10x>
This is the package that the store gave me.
I put 100lbs of live sand in, 100 lbs of live rock that's been cycling for 3
weeks. I also have a very big, very expensive light.
<Do you know what type of light it is? Fluorescent/VHO/Metal Halide and
hopefully the wattage?>
I haven't had that on yet. Is it necessary at this point?
<Wouldn’t do any harm, it will help encourage growth of organisms on the live
rock e.g. macroalgae, coralline etc. And help in the cycle of diatoms>
I'm in no hurry, but I did put in a 2 emerald crabs last week (pressure from the
kids). They are doing fine, though we never see them. I plan on live rock, some
clams (2-3)
<These will be highly dependent on the light fixture. If you can find out the
above questions Re the lighting then we can talk about these further>
4-5 fish, and probably a few anemones
<Most have very poor survival rates in captivity and a lot of knowledge is
needed to keep them and for this reason I wouldn't recommend them for your first
tank, for yours and the animal's sake. I feel the addition of a few simple soft
corals would be a very good idea and add colour and movement but with less
demands on you and your tank>
plus a standard "cleaning crew". How far off, equipment wise, from being ready
to put in livestock? I don't want I don’t want stuff to die cause I'm improperly
set up, and to be honest, I've read until I'm completely confused.
<It is easy to become confused but with patience and guidance the appropriate
set-up for you and the animals in your care can be achieved. You have started
well by questioning first, before buying and gathering information beforehand
will help immensely. In terms of equipment if you could email back those
questions about the lighting and the filter that will help us a lot. Also would
be worth reading Re refugiums and an addition of a small "fuge"
See here - http://www.wetwebmedia.com/refugium.htm
There is much to learn but we and other resources are here to help.
Hope I've been of help, Olly>
Thanks,
Rocky
New tank advice, Reef Set-up 3/23/07
Hi Guys,
<And girls, too! JustinN with you today.>
Having kept fw fish for many years i would be very obliged if you
could give me some advice on the my first foray in to the world of marines.
<Gladly, my friend.>
I am halfway thru purchasing the eqpt. for this and before any further capital
expenditure i would really appreciate your thoughts.
<Sure>
I have a Juwel corner aquarium which is 120cm at its widest point, 85cm in
breadth and 48cm deep, my filtration is a Proficiensea fluidized sand filter and
a TMC V2 skimmer.
<Sounds good>
Lighting is an HQI 250w metal halide pendant (i think this may be inadequate)
<I would say that this is likely adequate, depending on what species you would
like to keep. Most photosynthetic life will do just fine under your current
arrangement.>
and i am in the midst of buying three(?) of the new propeller styled pumps run
via a surge controller.
<Excellent.>
I would be intending to stack live rock fairly centrally to create a reef
outcrop effect leaving swimming room to the sides and back of the tank and
having a layer of Araga live sand to the floor.
<If you will be adding live rock to this tank, save yourself some money and skip
the AragAlive. Just buy dry, sugar-fine oolitic aragonite sand, and add it to
the tank. Your live rock will serve to provide the biota boost necessary to make
the sand "live", and likely by the time your curing and maturing process is
complete, the sandbed will be just as alive as the purchased one.>
Being a bit scared of drilling the tank and reluctant to use an overflow box
after reading the horror stories that these can create i won't be adding a sump
or refugium.
<I would advise you to reconsider this. If you are not comfortable with drilling
the aquarium yourself, you can likely find a professional to do it for you for a
reasonable price. Beyond this, overflow boxes are often given a bad rap, even
though there is a simple solution to increase their reliability. If you employ
an overflow box, simply employ a pair of identical ones for redundancy. That
way, if the flow of one is overtly clogged or problematic, you aren't running
pumps dry or overfilling tanks as there's still a regulated flow. I completely
understand your fears here, but the benefits of a sump or refugium system far
outweigh the potential risks, in my opinion.>
Stocking of the tank would be of the smaller hardier varieties of fish no longer
than 4inches individual length and some of the hardier invertebrate and corals.
<Excellent, sounds like you have a solid game plan, my friend.>
Are there any additions to equipment you can recommend? and any potential risks
that i can avoid before committing myself further? or is the setup a non
starter-your advice would be massively appreciated.
<Well, I think you've got everything under quite sufficient control, Anthony.
You've already avoided the largest pitfall of the new aquarium hobbyist --
rushing into things. Simply by taking the time to plan everything out as you
are, you will avoid most the pitfalls and common problems met by people entering
the hobby. Equipment-wise, the only thing you don't mention is temperature
stability, such as a heater. Make sure you leave amendments for temperature
control, and do consider my suggestions above. Beyond this, I feel you will be
successful in your plans.>
Kind regards,
Anthony
<The same to you and yours, my friend. -JustinN>
Reef System Setup...Improvements? - 03/19/07
Hey Eric...
<<Hey Linda!>>
I was looking over my wet/dry (sump) and followed the hose (the one that looks
like a vacuum cleaner hose) up to the single overflow box, when it clicked...
the wet/dry only comes with one hook up. (mine is on the side).
<<Ah yes>>
Oh boy...Would I need to drill a hole and make another connection, buying the
correct size fittings, etc. if I wanted to add another single or even a double
overflow box?
<<Mmm, is a consideration. Unless the hose/bulkhead on the sump are sized
larger than the overflow (nominal inside diameter of 1.5") then yes, you would
need to add a second throughput>>
If that is the case, I don't know about that kind of project. Not that good
with fittings, sealants, drilling holes in a sump...e-w-w-w...that is scary!
<<Hee-hee...not that tough really...but if you're not confident...>>
Unless you have a better way???
<<Oh yes! But involves drilling the display tank...getting a larger
sump...adding a downstream refugium...skimmer...lighting...et al... Perhaps
your setup is fine as is for now; give the removal of the aluminum compound time
to have an effect and then reevaluate/determine what you want to change (if
anything)... If you have more questions/wish to discuss...you know where to
find me, Eric Russell>>
Re: Reef System Setup...Improvements? - 03/20/07
Hahahaha Yep, Eric...you have proven you are at my
fingertips! hahaha Will keep you posted on my "success" (positive
thinking!) As Scarlett O'Hara said..."After all, tomorrow is another
day"...(smiling) Linda in GA
<<Sounds good... And frankly my dear...I "do" give a damn [grin]... EricR>>
Upgrading To a Larger Reef Tank – 02/27/07
Hello Mr. Fenner or whoever is on call today:
<<Hello Patty...tis Eric here this morning>>
I would like to upgrade from my three year old 90-gallon reef tank to a
180-gallon reef tank.
<<Cool!>>
My tank is thriving and is quite full with fish and corals. All are healthy and
doing well.
<<Excellent>>
I do 20% weekly water changes ever since I got the tank and have never had a
problem except for trading corals back to the aquarium shop because of no room.
<<Exceptional>>
A nice problem to have.
<Indeed>>
I have one day designated as "Tank Maintenance Day" and never deviate from
it. The tank has been paying for itself for two years now.
<<Wish I could say the same...>>
I have not had to pay for supplies in quite awhile. This I attribute from
reading your website and the Conscientious Marine Aquarist.
<<Much useful info to be found>>
I am a firm believer that if you take care of the tank each day it will run
without problems.
<<Mmm, a bit simplistic for the masses maybe...but I like your attitude>>
My question is: Can I transfer all live sand, live rock, water, sludge and
corals with fish into the 180-gallon and not jeopardize the corals and fish?
<<In my opinion, no...not “all” all at once. Sand beds experience massive
die-offs of their biota when disturbed/moved, which aside from the obvious
pollutant increase, also means they require time to regain their “balance”
(reestablish their “zones” and repopulate)>>
I plan to add more live sand and rock hoping the established fauna or
microorganisms from the old tank will establish the 180-gal quickly so I don't
lose fish or corals.
<<This can be done...but I would recommend placing “new” sand in the new tank
and “seeding” this with several cups of sand from the old system. Also, you
need to make sure any new live rock added to the new system has been
“thoroughly” cured>>
I was told this could be done by someone from a shop wanting to sell me the
upgraded tank. I wanted to get your thoughts on this.
<<It can/has been done...but do consider my recommendations re the sand bed>>
I am still learning but don't test the water like I should. I rely heavily on
the water changes.
<<This is indeed the single best thing you can do for your (anyone’s) tank>>
If you feel I should not do this would going to a 125-gal 72" long tank be
easier on the corals or would it not matter?
<<Is of no consequence here>>
Sorry for all the questions.
<<No worries my friend>>
Tank - MH 150 l0K Cora life lights w/actinics
30 gal sump
Pro Clear Aquatic Protein Skimmer
<<I recommend you look in to a suitably sized AquaC/Euro-Reef/H&S skimmer for
this new system>>
UV Sterilizer
l.024 salinity
<<May seem like a small thing, but 1.025/026 would be better (closer to NSW)>>
450 calcium
<<Getting a bit high...hopefully alkalinity is kept at the lower end of the
acceptable spectrum>>
All other levels normal whenever tested.
100 pounds LR
Top-off system and dosing with Kalkwasser...two cap-full’s of Reef Complete
daily.
<<Please do test/keep an eye on calcium/alkalinity/magnesium and only dose “as
needed”>>
RO/DI system
Fish:
2 lg pajama cardinals
1 Banggai cardinal
2 clown fish
3-year old mandarin
Fairy Wrasse
1 serpent star
1 blood shrimp
Corals:
1 huge (S) leather l-ft tall (can't spell name)
1 huge colt
Lg colony of pompom pulsing Xenia
Lg ruffled leather on other side of tank
Red candy coral
Blue zooanthids
Covered large rock of orange zooanthids
Yellow and orange zooanthids
Large cascade of blue mushrooms
Red mushrooms
Pink tipped frogspawn
Large green frogspawn
l large torch
Star polyps
3 small frags of SPS corals (don't know names)
<<A noxious and aggressive collection of animals...hopefully there is some
ancillary chemical filtration on this system>>
Your advice is appreciated.
Patty
<<I think you can go ahead and make the move to the larger system, with my
reservations/recommendations re the sand bed in mind. Do be sure to transfer as
much of the water from the old system to the new as well...lots of beneficial
bacteria/microbes in the water itself. And have those test kits handy for
testing ammonia/nitrite/nitrate along with a goodly supply of saltwater
(preferably aged a week or more) for any necessary water changes as indicated by
the test kits. Regards, Eric Russell>>
What's next? Order of reef Tank Assembly - 02/21/07
Hello,
<Hi Henry, Mich here.>
I just got a used 72g bow front tank.
<Congrats!>
It came with a sump, skimmer, return pump and about 80lb. of live rock with a
little water.
<An excellent start.>
What do I do next? Put in the live rock and how much? Or do I fill the tank and
run the system?
<Put in all the live rock, preferable directly on the glass bottom and not on
top of any substrate. It will not hurt the rock to be covered with substrate
and this will avoid any problems with potential/tragic rock falls in the
future. It is best to keep your live rock wet, to keep it, well, alive.
Ideally, next add any substrate that you are planning on using. But if you are
not prepared it is most important to just keep the live rock wet either in the
tank or in a Rubbermaid-type container. As far as substrate, if you are using
brand new crushed coral or Southdown/Old Castle type play sand it is best to
pre-rinse to remove as much dust as possible. If you are using sand from an
established system, I would not pre-rinse as you will be washing way beneficial
organisms. Then add your water and get your circulation running.>
Thanks For Your Help,
<You are
welcome. -Mich>
Henry
Doubts... from Brazil....Setting up a New System 02/17/07
Hi guys, thank you for helping all of us...
<Hello Camilla, Mich with you tonight.>
I am starting cycling a 100g today and have been researching a lot lately,
but I am not sure my English is good enough I could get it all you guys do
up there. Here in Brazil we use to make things a bit different. I have
fully cured live rock from my other tank, and will use them with a 3 " sand
bed and a small amount of substrate I will get from a friend.
<You tank may not truly cycle (have an ammonia spike) if you are using fully
cured live rock from a previously cycled system.>
Questions are:
Should I place the rocks on the substrate or on the glass and then add the
substrate?
<I would place the rock on the glass and then add the substrate. I think
this is the safest option.>
Is it important/necessary to change all the water after cycle is
finished? why?
<No, you don't want to change all the water. You can do partial water
change of 10-20% per week.>
At which stage can I start placing corals?
<When you Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate levels stabilize. This may be almost
immediate.>
I used to have hermit crabs, turbo snails and a red star as a cleaning crew
in my other reef, but I thought I should add them as soon as I start the
cycle,
<Generally, I would wait until after the tank cycles, but yours may not, so
it may be OK to add immediately, though there is no need to do this.>
and, why is that I shouldn’t use hermit crabs?
<You can use hermit crabs, provided they are one of the reef safe
varieties.>
down in sump I have a box with 10" sand bed. Is it helpful?
<Oh yes! Will act as a natural nitrate reducer. A very beneficial
addition.>
and I am thinking about using algae/ xenia on it, should I?
<I would definitely recommend a macroalgae. Chaetomorpha would be my first
choice, though many still use Caulerpa. Xenia could be kept in the sump if
you have enough lighting or in the display.>
the last one I swear! We don’t have many skimmer options
here, right now I have a Moratto, that is a Brazilian skimmer, venture. Now
we can find here (for more than double you pay there...) the octopus skimmer
(I found it announced in some American shops as well) it’s the only option
we have that is recirc, and with needle wheel. The other options are way too
pricey and rare in Brazil. Do you know anything about this product?
<I'm sorry, I do not.>
should I use one ( recirc nw 150, ok?) or wait for a bit more till I can
find a way to get an aqua c, Deltec or Euro reef?
<Mmm, not really familiar with any Brazilian skimmers. I have an Aqua C
with which I am quite pleased.>
thank you again... best regards
<You are quite welcome! -Mich>
Camilla
Experimental staging tank - 02/09/2007
Hi Bob/Crew,
If you would allow me to prevail upon your collective wisdom...
<Well, just my small part>
I have reached a point where I need a sanity check in designing an
Experimental 4 Ft tank that will currently serve as a pre-staging area
for a larger 600 litre reef tank which will not be filled for another 6
months or more, as I wish to plan it very carefully (oh YES..........
there will be questions!...., but still researching for now). When the
Main tank is completed this Experimental tank will become a
fragging/quarantine tank. (Ever had a wood grain 600 litre tank in your
living room that you must resist filling......
<You HAVE got discipline!>
yes, I have nerves of steel, and laugh in the face of the spindly
killer fish) Please be tolerant (cover you mouth when you laugh) , some
of my notions may not be practical , but I have devoted many hours of
research and planning, and literally hundreds of hours on your website
over the last couple of years (no joke). I am attempting to build a
small sump/refugium which will take care of wet/dry nitrate production,
skimming and denitrification ,.... in that order actually. Have attached
a pic, tried very hard to make it clear and understandable, hopefully
succeeded. I am aware that this is a fairly small sump and refugium, but
I am struggling for space. The basic concept is :
Partition one :
Loose floating bioballs under the dump pipe with 2000 LPH Air/Water Pump
<Mmm, why this here? I'd rely on gravity>
to skimmer and overflow to partition two (skimmer). Hopefully being
agitated by water flow will help prevent debris trapping and will
nitrify my ammonia/nitrite for me without becoming too much of a debris
trap.
<Shouldn't be an issue>
Partition two:
Aqua-One SK388 Skimmer (took your advice and got one at last) with
enclosed, perforated plastic boxes full of ceramic noodles beside it,
overflowing to Refugium. OK here's the part where I want you to try not
to laugh...... The idea being to encourage an anaerobic environment in
the boxes for Denitrification whilst still maintaining the 1ppm O2 plus
requirement to prevent Sulfide production, I may "feed" these suckers
carbon, or I may not, do you think I should?
<I would>
Do you know how I can tell if these become Sulfur factories? .
<Likely won't... but might smell it if so>
On the bright side, if they don't work, I can just pull them out since
they're boxed.
<Yes>
Partition/Box three:
Refugium with Live Rock (a little) , Ulva as Macro algae (readily
available to me from sea)
<Mmm... Ulvales are not the easiest macros to culture...>
and either a DSB or whatever brand of Mud I can get here in Australia if
any (we really lag a long way behind you guys in marine technology, half
the stuff you guys talk about we just can't get here. Even something as
simple as Aragonite is not easy to find, in Melbourne anyway!) 2000 LPH
Water pump (will probably enclose) returning to Spray bar.
<Mmm, do look into Loc-line... other distribution here>
should I tee this back to the refugium now , or just wait and see what
the flow is like? Do you think I would be pushing it to try for a DSB in
this tiny and short refugium?
<I'd arrange bypass of some of the flow here... with adjustable weirs
perhaps>
Only have 2mm Coral sand at the moment and feel I would probably have to
go about 4-5 inches plus to make it anaerobic, don't think it will
fit?? How deep does miracle mud etc need to be?
<An inch or more... you might be able to collect your own...>
Well , what do you think?, have I gone mad at last? I really hope so,
would explain so much..... I feel constantly nagged by the concept of a
wet/dry being so good at Nitrate production and yet not being able to
find anything stable other than live rock or DSB's to deal with the
Nitrates, not interested in
chemical treatments , not an elegant solution. I realize water changes
will still be necessary , but am trying to build as stable an ecosystem
as I can manage.
<You have many good ideas here... But I would add another intake drain
of about the stated 1 1/2" size, and do away with the valve
illustrated... not necessary>
In the same vein of questioning, have seen Anthony and others comment
that submerged bioballs are a bad idea, but I can't work out why?
<Inherent design... much more useful in oxygen rich environments... not
sat. (7,8 ppm.) vs. 210,000 ppm...>
seems to me that if you had a coarse prefilter, flowing to some wet/dry
bioballs followed closely by some submerged bioballs in an area of low
O2,(ie Debris
filter->Nitrification->Denitrification) this should be good, .. no?
<Mmm, no... presence, even hypoxia negates anaerobic microbe metabolism,
presence>
Is it because the balls are just not porous enough to foster anaerobic
conditions?
<This and a lack of surface area per volume>
The reason I ask is because , in a misguided moment (listened to LFS. Ho
Ho..) I purchased a 2600 LPH Minjiang Canister filter with 5W UV for
the 600 litre tank when I bought it ( as they said the glass was
probably tempered and couldn't be drilled) then I went one worse and
bought a stack of bioballs to put in it. The thing is... when I watch
the hoses with the air valves shut completely, I see no air going in and
none coming out, does this mean I can assume
it's at least partly anaerobic in there, or is there so much dissolved
O2 that this is never possible while it's flowing.
<Bingo>
I just want to know if I'm doomed to high nitrates and frequent water
changes in the 600 litre display , or if there is some way I can still
use the canister for bio - filtration but avoid this.
<Canisters... not really useful for denitrification... too much flow,
too little media volume... though use of sintered glass, ceramic
media...>
Do you know of any other way I could filter a system that can't be
drilled besides a canister? (Oops , there I go.. said I wasn't going to
discuss the 600 litre now.... sorry ). I can leave the canister doing
just mechanical and chemical and circulation , but I really think this
is a waste, although I will have a Weipro 2014 Hang on skimmer and Live
rock as well.
<Do look into having this tank drilled... yes, though tempered, can be
done... the larger LFS, glass shops...>
By the way CMA and Reef Inverts are very difficult books to get in Oz,
<See Readingtrees.com for Antoine's distributors there>
everyone I've asked says 3- 4 months wait , do you have a distributor
here, or will I have to get them online? Which book do you think I would
benefit more from with respect to reef keeping?
<Modern Coral Reef Aquarium series by Fossa and Nilsen>
Are you tired of seeing question marks??
<Not yet>
Apologies for the essay, but it did say in the FAQs that you prefer all
your questions at once, hope it's not too laborious to get through.
Thanks for your time -Rama
<Welcome, BobF>
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Experimental staging tank, Continued - 02/11/2007
Bob,
thanks very much for taking a look at my plans,
But of course one answer generates ten questions............ .
<Ah, yes>
I am attempting to build a small sump/refugium which will take care of
wet/dry nitrate production, skimming and denitrification ,.... in that
order actually.
Have attached a pic, tried very hard to make it clear and
understandable,
hopefully succeeded.
I am aware that this is a fairly small sump and refugium, but I am
struggling for space. The basic concept is :
Partition one :
Loose floating bioballs under the dump pipe with 2000 LPH Air/Water Pump
<Mmm, why this here? I'd rely on gravity>
<<The venturi? (probably not correct term for this) that came with the
skimmer is designed to sit on the front of a specific pump intake and is
very effective, I'm not sure of a good way of getting it inline with the
down pipe like a normal venturi, hence decided to stick with pump, plus
wasn't sure what force was going to be generated.. >>
>Ahh, sorry for this... Yes, the skimmer will need this pump... and/but
the skimmer needs to be in a "partition" entirely, or there to be an
overflow of incoming water... not possible to balance the overflow from
the main tank...<
to skimmer and overflow to Partition two (skimmer). Hopefully being
agitated by water flow will help prevent debris trapping and will
nitrify
my ammonia/nitrite for me without becoming too much of a debris trap.
<Shouldn't be an issue>
Partition/Box three:
Refugium with Live Rock (a little) , Ulva as Macro algae (readily
available to me from sea)
<Mmm... Ulvales are not the easiest macros to culture...>
<<Hmm... this is true... have tried before with Ulva in display tank
which
gradually diminished to nothing, but had the feeling someone was
munching
on it ,(maybe Pseudochromis bicolor?),
>Not likely to its exclusion<
will see if Chaetomorpha
(prolifera?) is available, but doubt it.>>
>Ask around... other national hobbyists...<
..2000 LPH Water pump (will probably enclose) returning
to Spray bar.
<Mmm, do look into Loc-line... other distribution here>
<<What's wrong with the Spray bar?, not enough movement?>>
>That... from restriction and the loss of ability to direct, re-direct
flow direction<
should I tee this back to the refugium now , or just wait
and see what the flow is like?
Do you think I would be pushing it to try for a DSB in this tiny and
short
refugium?
<I'd arrange bypass of some of the flow here... with adjustable weirs
perhaps>
<<Don't think I have enough space to employ adjustable weirs (only
about
30cm X 30cm), maybe the tee from return going back to refugium , with
just pump in a weir?>>
>A good idea, yes<
Only have 2mm Coral sand at the moment and feel I would probably
have to go about 4-5 inches plus to make it anaerobic, don't think it
will fit??
<<would the inches here be right?>>
>Yes<
How deep does miracle mud etc need to be?
<An inch or more... you might be able to collect your own...>
<<Don't think I'm brave enough, any clues on how to tell what sort?,
have
ordered some CaribSea Aragamax online in any case, managed to find
some.... Whew, not cheap!, do you think 3 inches of sugar-fine will do,
or
am I being stingy to my detriment !>>
>Should be fine<
<You have many good ideas here... But I would add another intake drain
of
about the stated 1 1/2" size, and do away with the valve illustrated...
not necessary>
<<Valve/Tap is mainly just so I can turn off flow to work/clean in
sump>>
>Do please check, make sure that in the event of a power or pump failure
the water will not overwhelm the sump<
In the same vein of questioning, have seen Anthony and others comment
that
submerged bioballs are a bad idea, but I can't work out why? ,
<Inherent design... much more useful in oxygen rich environments... not
sat. (7,8 ppm.) vs. 210,000 ppm...>
<< Do you mean that 7-8ppm would be submerged...vs. Wet/Dry at
210,000ppm?
>Yes<
I realize this is better for Nitrification, just wanted to know if you
can
use them in more anaerobic conditions for Denitrification?>>
>No, cannot be used for such<
seems to me
that if you had a coarse prefilter, flowing to some wet/dry bioballs
followed closely by some submerged bioballs in an area of low O2,(ie
Debris
filter->Nitrification->Denitrification) this should be good, .. no?
<Mmm, no... presence, even hypoxia negates anaerobic microbe metabolism,
presence>
<<Whoa!.. sorry, lost you here ,....presence of what?,
>Of any measurable dissolved oxygen<
are you saying that
Anaerobes don't likely completely hypoxic conditions?>>
Is it because the balls are just not porous enough to foster anaerobic
conditions?
>Correct<
<This and a lack of surface area per volume>
.....<Canisters... not really useful for denitrification... too much
flow,
too little media volume... though use of sintered glass, ceramic
media...>
<< Does this mean if I use something like Aqua-one CeramiSub (looks a
bit
like ceramic live rock rubble) that I just bought, I might foster some
small anaerobic pockets in this canister of mine, otherwise I may have
to
try for a hang-on 'fuge, not likely to get past management though (yes
...
married)>>
>I would use such material... though, you are correct that it is of
little use in such a setting (canister)<
Do you know of any other way I could filter a
system that can't be drilled besides a canister? (Oops , there I go..
said
I wasn't going to discuss the 600 litre now.... sorry ). I can leave the
canister doing just mechanical and chemical and circulation , but I
really
think this is a waste, although I will have a Weipro 2014 Hang on
skimmer
and Live rock as well.
<Do look into having this tank drilled... yes, though tempered, can be
done... the larger LFS, glass shops...>
<< Can't seem to find anyone prepared to do it ( even had to drill my
own
hole on the experimental tank ... 1 hour with a Dremel and a diamond
engraving bit/water.... whew!!),
>Nerves... and patience for sure<
and I understand that if I do find
someone to do it, they won't take responsibility. Blew the budget with
this tank , if they break it it's over., can't afford to replace.... : -
(
Actually, I originally spent over a week designing (copying.. ) and
building a beautiful hang on overflow siphon box, only to throw it in
the
bin after reading more negative opinions on WetWeb and thinking long and
hard about the anxiety factor at 4 am, ah well..>>
Which book do you think I would
benefit more from with respect to reef keeping?
<Modern Coral Reef Aquarium series by Fossa and Nilsen>
<< Are you just being modest here, I was referring to CMA vs. Reef
Inverts., was hoping to buy one of these to support your hard work. If
you
truly think the Fossa book will be better for me I will get it, but
would
still like a copy of Reef Inverts.>>
Thanks again
Rama
>Ahh... Your writing presents itself as you being a bit beyond CMA, yet,
yes to the RI book... I do believe you would gain by its perusal...
enjoyably even! Cheers, BobF> |
Tank Rebuilding 2/3/07
Hey again,
I'm not sure I quite understand the concept of the SeaSwirl..
<Ah... yes>
is it a pump in itself or do I have to connect it (if so, how?)
<The latter... Please read here:
http://www.sea-swirl.com/>
to the return from the built in overflow..? Another option for me is to use a
Tunze Turbelle stream kit 6100 + a single controller, and maybe one other small
powerhead in the
back of the tank.
<This is a vastly superior arrangement>
Another question, do you have any idea of how I might convert a Wet/Dry w/ a
skimmer and return pump in it, into a refugium?
<Yes>
I am going to have to raise the water level in the wet dry almost to the top
correct?
<Or perhaps build/install a baffle to raise the water level in a section...
likely the "front" area where water comes first>
and I am going to replace my skimmer with a Aqua C hang on tank version, but I
am not sure what to do about the return pump, can it sit on the sand or mud in
the refugium or would i have to raise it on something?
<Best to read on WWM re... there are other issues you are not likely
(apparently) aware of... that are also covered there>
Next, as you might be able to tell I am pretty much redoing my tank and going
full blown reef style for the first time. You have heard about the circulation,
the filtration, now the lighting,
(https://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15486&prodid=30699&catid=3)
this is the fixture I am considering, however I have heard that Halides can
cause excessive heat to enter the aquarium if not raised high enough.. since my
ceiling cannot hold a hanging fixture, can you tell if this fixture is one that
I connect to the tank? or is it also of the hanging variety?
<Does connect, set on the tanks edges... as shown>
If it does connect to the tank will it be far enough away from the water that it
wont cause too much heat?
<Mmm, likely will be fine...>
This whole renovation process has been quite mind boggling...
<The planning, anticipation can/should be a good deal of fun...>
and I haven't even started! Yes, one more question I will not have the room for
a calcium reactor so I will have to add trace elements manually.. which brand do
you recommend?
<Mmm, posted... am a big fan of Bob Stark's B-Ionic for beginners as yourself>
and will additives be necessary if I maintain 10% weekly water changes with Reef
Crystals?
<Mmm, not at first likely...>
Thank you so much,
Christian
(75 gallon tank w/ 440 watts VHO lighting 2 wt 2 bl,80 lbs LR and <1" LS
SeaLife Systems Skimmer (one getting replaced))
<I strongly encourage you to read a good deal more before making the purchases
listed... So you have a much better idea, "comfort level" with your choices...
AND to join, participate in a marine/reef hobby club in your area (a great deal
of fun, input of use here...) and the chance of your picking up a local
"guru"... Bob Fenner>
Set-up, stocking questions--a mixed bag 1/27/07
Hey hey.
<What do you say?>
I have a 60 gallon, rectangular, soon-to-be reef tank that's been up and running
for 9 months.
<Welcome to the reef my friend.>
I've asked you all a few questions before (to much benefit) and now I think I'll
try to get all the rest of them out of the way at once.
<Alrightly>
So...After many hours of tinkering, upgrading, and hundreds of hours of research
(mostly on WWM), I'm almost satisfied with my set-up.
<Very good! Key word there being almost... if you make it to satisfaction, I
hope your time there is longer than the 10 minutes that most reef aquarists
experience.>
My tank has a built-in overflow with bio-balls and a sponge filter inside, with
a 1-inch bulkhead return to my 20-gallon sump. My return pump is a Rio 2500,
which I am replacing with a Rio 10HF. This will increase the flow from ~330gph
to
~510 gph (at 6ft of head). Do you think this will be too much?
<Will have to watch, a 1 inch bulkhead should handle around 600 gallons per
hour.>
I'm concerned about the adequacy of my drain and the turnover in the
sump/refugium (see below).
<Understandable.>
I also have two Maxijet 1200 powerheads in my display, a 1 to 1.5 inch live sand
bed, and tons of live rock, maybe 80 to 100 pounds.
It is lit with Coralife 260W (total) PC 10K and actinics. This fixture is
mounted in my canopy. Coralife states the light is only to be used over covered
aquariums. Mine is covered at the moment, but when summer rolls around it might
get pretty warm. I have a small fan in the canopy (which has an open back) and
can put a fan over the sump, but if heat is still an issue do you think it'd be
okay to drill a bunch of small holes in the tank covers for more ventilation?
<I would think this would be OK.>
Moving on. I made the sump into a refugium, in the sense that I added
Chaetomorpha, an 18W PC light, and live rock. The Chaetomorpha is doing great
(despite the relative low light), and my nitrates are always below 5ppm. I just
added a culture of live copepods into it, also. There's not too much room in
there for much substrate due to the equipment (there's also a skimmer in there),
but I've read that copepods prefer it. I think I could put about an inch in
there (maybe in a casserole dish?), if it'd be worthwhile.
<A possibility.>
Another concern I have is that the copepods will get filtered out by the
skimmer, which has a sponge filter on the outlet to reduce bubbles. I've heard
many people prefer no mechanical filtration, or bio-balls for that matter. Would
you take out the bio-balls (over a period of weeks) and/or the sponges?
<You could if you find your Nitrates are increasing. I think I would lose the
bioballs immediately, may be worth trying to keep the sponge just as a physical
barrier for the microfauna.>
My fishes at the moment are an ocellaris clown, a royal Gramma, a yellow-streak
fairy wrasse (C. luteovittatus), and a neon goby. I'm thinking of adding 3
chromis and later down the road--here it comes--a mandarin or Rainford's Goby.
<Please allow your tank to establish itself for several months and build up a
large supply of microfauna before attempting either of these fish. In general
the Rainford's Goby (Amblygobius rainfordi) is a better choice.>
I know they are difficult, so if you recommend against it I will probably go
with a flame angel or coral beauty instead.
<Would be a better choice as long as you re aware of the risk of these angels
nipping at your corals.>
My Gramma is very shy, and I'm hoping that the Chromis will make him more
comfortable about coming out of the rockwork.
<May, may not.>
As for invertebrates, I'm thinking a Scarlet Cleaner Shrimp, a Fromia Star, a
Hawaiian feather duster, pulsing xenia, Green Star Polyps, a leather coral, and
torch or frogspawn. I'll do more research on the exact species before I buy, and
will make sure to keep plenty of space between them. What do you think of the
plan, in general?
<Fromia is a poor choice. I would not add this. It is doomed to starvation.>
Okay, one last thing. I just set up a 10-gallon quarantine tank and put it's
sponge filter in my sump to grow bacteria. I'll add 75% tank water and 25% new
water. How long do you think it'll take to cycle?
<Mmm, not sure, seeding the sponge will help, but you should monitor your levels
with a test kit.>
Sorry to bombard you with questions, I guess I'm a bit of a perfectionist.
<As are many others.>
Thanks again for all your help.
<Welcome! -Mich>
Scott
Re: Ich, Low pH, Low Calcium, Possibly Elevated Magnesium... reef filtr.
1/21/07
Mich, Now that I have the protein skimmer up and running what should I do
next?...live rock or new filter?
<Definitely live rock.>
What kind of filter would you recommend? From what I've read wet/dry is the way
to go. any particular brand or set up? I've been on the Dr Fosters website
trying to get a better idea of what they are and how they work. Again, don't
really want to rely on the LFS around here.
<Wise to not rely on LFS, better to rely on yourself. Please do some reading on
this topic. Wet/dry will produce measurable nitrate levels. Here are some
suggested readings for you to start with:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/reeffilt.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/reef1.htm
Thanks!! Jennifer
<Welcome, -Mich>
Re: Ich, Low pH, Low Calcium, Possibly Elevated Magnesium... skimmer f'
1/21/07
Thanks for all of you help Mich!!!
<Hi Jennifer, You're welcome!>
Got the protein skimmer up and running and I know it's supposed to have a 24-48
hr break in but within 3 hrs I have dirty water in the bottom of the skimmer..
YIKES!!
<Yep, not surprising.>
I hope that's a good thing! Jennifer
<Just like Martha, It's a good thing... -Mich>
Message for Crew Member Chuck Rambo - "I Got a new tank for Christmas"
1/12/06
<That soils engineer type told me he put this in my in-folder because it is
"marine"...>
I saw your message to Bob about the lack of emails from newbies that received
new tanks for Christmas. Well, "I got a new tank for Christmas" and we're all
newbies in one way or another.
<Oh yes>
I am going from a 65 gallon reef to a 75 gallon reef. While the new tank is only
10 gallons, the extra foot in length should make for a much nicer setup. 99% of
my questions I can answer by reading the daily FAQs and researching the
archives, but when I saw your message to Bob, I figured I would run a few things
by you since I am working on a new setup.
Here's what I plan to do.... Suggestions and criticism are welcome.
- 75 Gallon "reef ready" glass aquarium with stand and canopy.
<Mmm, do take a read on WWM, elsewhere re the fitting/plumbing of such reef
not-so ready set-ups... Companies have improved the number and size of
through-puts, but...>
- 440 watts of VHO with 2 Actinic white and 2 Super Actinic bulbs. 3 moonlights
controlled by a Lunar Tracker.
<Okay... but I'd likely switch out some of the actinic for more white... more
functional and aesthetic IMO>
- 30ish (30X16X18) gallon sump/refugium with ASM G-1X skimmer and Mag 18 return
pump
- Tunze TS07 kit with one 6000 power head and one controller (on order)
- 90 to 130 pounds of live rock depending on how much makes it look
aesthetically pleasing and still be functional. 80 pounds are in current reef
and 50 pounds are curing.
- Shallow sand bed in display and Miracle mud and Chaeto in sump.
- Red Sea 100mg ozonizer and ORP controller
- Two 250 watt heaters
I realize that everyone has an opinion but I welcome yours, Bob's, Salty Dog's,
Eric's, Sabrina', Justin's, and any other crew members that care to offer
one. The more ideas/opinions/suggestions one has, the better the decisions one
can make.
<Agreed>
I currently have 5 fish - 2 black Perculas, 1 Carpenter Fairy Wrasse, 1 Court
Jester Goby, and 1 Bicolor Blenny.
Corals are LPS and some softies but I would like to try some SPS like Montipora
if possible.
Here are the areas where I appreciate your opinions.
Circulation - I had originally planned a closed loop system with a Mag 24 sump
return pump feeding the loop. However, the quote/unquote "Mega Flow" portion of
my quote/unquote "reef ready" aquarium will only handle 700 gph,
<Yes... if that>
or so the propaganda that was attached to the aquarium claims. I went ahead and
plumbed a 1/2 inch PVC loop with four 1/2 outlets that should be able to produce
approximately 200 gph from each nozzle with a Mag 18 after losses.
<Sounds about right>
According to what I have read on this site, this will not be enough to produce
the random, turbulent flow I need.
<Mmm, no, not by itself>
I am leaving it in place because it will at least disperse the sump return water
more evenly and I ordered the 1850gph Tunze kit to augment the flow. Do you
think this set up will be sufficient to allow me to tweak and manipulate the
flow to meet the needs of Montis?
<Yes, likely so>
Also, can you suggest how you would position the Tunze to get the results
needed.
<Something of this power... flow rate... by itself... needs to be mounted up
near the surface, on the side, facing toward the other end... as you will
find... surprisingly forceful...>
Refugium - I am currently using Carib Sea Miracle Mud at about a 1.5 inch depth
in my refugium. I have been using this for about 3 months and the main thing
that I have noticed is that my skimmate doesn't smell nearly as bad as it did
when I employed a DSB in the refugium. Also, all the corals look as good or
better. So I plan to continue with the Miracle Mud approach. I have read on
this site about mixing and layering the mud and sand. The mud has some very
fine particles and could use some sand on top to keep it in place. Will a layer
of sand on top of the mud significantly inhibit or slow the release of the trace
elements from the mud?
<Mmm, not much, enough to be concerned if there is sufficient mud period>
Can a DSB go on top of the mud and the benefits of both be realized?
<Mmm, better to make two separate areas here>
If so, what are your recommendations for the desired depth of each?
<Posted on WWM.
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/index.htm
scroll down...>
This website and the dedication of hobbyists like you and the rest of the crew
are a godsend. You willingly devote your time and efforts to share knowledge
and experience in an effort to help others get the most enjoyment out of this
hobby.
<Yep>
"If I had only known then what I know now", I WOULD have tested my water, I
WOULD have done water changes, I would NOT have mixed incompatible species
together only to watch them stress each other until one died, I would NOT have
spent $30 on a blood red fire shrimp that only lasted 30 seconds because I also
had a Huma Picasso Triggerfish in the little 65 gallon,
<Snack time!>
I would NOT have lost $390 dollars worth of fish because I didn't quarantine and
introduced velvet into my tank, and so on and so on. I learn something new from
this site every day and have had pretty good success for the past 3 years
because of it.
<And this scant knowledge and inspiration coupled with your intelligence and
application...>
I am trying to forget the years preceding my finding this site.
Thanks for everything. I promote this site at every opportunity.
P.S. I hope my grammar will past inspection with a minimal amount of editing on
your part.
<Heeeee! Better than mine! Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Conversion...FO To Reef 12/27/06
G'day Crew!
<So far, so good, Dan.>
I'm currently in the process of converting a FO aquarium to one that can hold
some soft corals such as corallimorphs, zoanthids and some leather corals, as
well as a bubble tip anemone.
<Not a good idea mixing corals with anemones.>
My tank specifications are below
It's an AquaOne120 (280 L capacity) that includes an inbuilt filter/lighting
system. The filter sits on top of the aquarium and contains filter wool, mesh
and ceramic noodles. I have two full spectrum fluorescents and one 10000K
Actinic (all 30W). I also have a hang-on Jebo120 Protein Skimmer that I have
modified the tank to accommodate. Currently my tank holds:
20 kg live rock( I plan on slowly adding more)
1 Flame Angel
1 Pinstripe Wrasse
<Is known to eat certain types of snails, tubeworms, etc, and requires a tight
fitting lid as it is a jumper.>
1 Valentini puffer
<This guy will eat invertebrates such as found in reef tanks (shrimp, crabs,
etc), and is semi-aggressive toward other fish, often
taking bites out of their fins.>
2 Saddleback Clownfish
4 Green Chromis
Some Corallimorphs, Zoanthids, a head of Duncanopsammia axifuga containing about
20 polyps, and three bubble tip anemones (I had a large one that recently
divided - I am going to sell two of them).
Water stats read Ammonia = 0, Nitrite = 0 and Nitrate = 20 ppm and everything is
running well as I do a lot of maintenance on it.
I have a couple of questions.
Firstly, since I am upgrading my system to take some more corals I am going to
invest in a new filter. I have discussed this with the guys at my LFS and am
leaning towards purchasing a 1200 L/hr canister filter. I will keep the older
filter running too but replace its media with bio-balls. I know this is an
unconventional configuration, but due to the nature of this aquarium I am really
limited as to what I can do with it. I would like to add several more fish
including a yellow tang, long-nosed hawkfish, midas blenny and maybe some PJ
cardinalfish or a Comet Grouper (Marine Betta),
<The comet won't fit into this scenario, a predator which does not appreciate
bright light such as you will need for your corals. With your other
fish, the tang will grow too large for the size tank you have. Need to make a
choice here.>
as well as some more corals.
Do you think this is a workable configuration for what I'd like to achieve?
<Yes, with my exceptions.>
Would these stocking levels be too high?
<Yes, if you include all but the betta and puffer.>
And is my lighting going to be ok to sustain the corals I plan on keeping? (soft
corals) Are there any species in particular you would recommend?
<Your 90 watts of lighting isn't going to do the trick. For soft corals, you
will need to be around 350+ watts. You didn't mention the depth of
your tank, so an accurate wattage number cannot be given.>
Thanks in advance!
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Daniel
Re: Conversion.. FO To Reef 1/9/07
Dear Crew,
<Dan>
Thanks for the reply to my last email (James)
<You're welcome, and sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. Too many things
going on right now.>
I've been in consultation with my LFS about changing the lighting system on my
tank. They seem to think that the 90W coming from my fluorescents should be
sufficient to keep these soft corals if I change the bulbs regularly, say every
6 months. They tell me that the corals we get here (Australia) are largely
collected from deep water.
<How deep is deep? You didn't mention what types of corals so I assumed so hard
corals would be included in your scenario.>
They seemed to think that 350W was a big overkill for keeping soft corals.
<Tis, if that is all one wants.>
One other option they did suggest was to install 4 x 55W power compacts, but
that still only gives 220W - not quite the 350W you suggest. What do you think
about this?
<Need more info on the corals you wish to keep.>
And one additional piece of information that you mentioned, my tank has a depth
of 20inches.
<OK>
Also, you said that a yellow tang would outgrow my 280L (75 gal) system. >From
my reading I was under the impression that yellow tangs are ok in tanks over 55
gal. I will also give the comet a miss, but FYI the valentini puffer is actually
very well behaved and tends to mind his own business, I may have been lucky in
getting a good one!
<You may have. As for the tang, they can attain a length of up to 8" under
aquarium conditions, to me, a little large for a four foot tank, but for must
have aquarists, I wouldn't put one in a tank smaller than 55 gallons. In short,
these guys just do better in larger systems.>
Your advice is massively appreciated, you guys to a fantastic job with your
website!
<Thank you. James (Salty Dog)>
Daniel
Reef Set-up Qs 12/20/06
Good day everyone, (Hoping for an answer from Bob, Anthony or Steven)
<Good day to you Jeremy, Mich with you tonight. I hope you're not too
disappointed.>
I think I have finally confused myself to the point that I'm not sure what I'm
doing any more and have no idea in which direction to proceed.
<Hehehe, yes, I have been there too. Sounds like information overload to
me. Step away from the books, step away from the computer. Slowly inhale,
slowly exhale, repeat.>
I've read several books and a great many of the articles and FAQ on WetWebMedia
which I found very helpful and now I'm hoping for a little personalized advice.
<I shall try.>
I have kept reef aquariums for about 7 years and have kept a wide variety of
corals and livestock.
<OK>
I set up my initial tank with the advice of my LFS owner and have tried to
educate myself with books and articles to fill in the gaps, but I have deviated
from my initial setup very little.
<OK>
I would have to say that my success thus far has been a combination of blind
luck and good advice.
<As is often the case.>
After moving cross-country and selling off my tank I am at the point of
contemplating setting up another reef system.
<It's like a bad horror flick that just sucks you back in.>
I've spent about a month reading everything I can get my hands on, but all I've
managed to do is completely confuse myself.
<Ah, yes information overload indeed.>
I have most enjoyed keeping LPS corals and mushrooms and polyps and xenia, I
like the movement and the colors and the interesting shapes.
<Yes, lots of beautiful creature fall into these categories.>
I also have always kept an anemone with either a single or mated pair of
clowns. I think I would like to set up a tank geared towards caring for this
type of reef life.
<OK>
Are any of the above not compatible in lighting or water condition requirements
with each other?
<Mmm, with appropriate placement should be OK together.>
I want to set up a manageable reef tank. I've had 58gal, 110 gal, and175 gal
tanks in the past and honestly the 175 was a bit much. I'm thinking about a 135
gal that is 72Wx18Dx25T.Is there a problem with a tank that is only 18" deep?
<No, easier to setup/maintain in many ways.>
The tanks I've had in the past ran VHO lights on icecap ballasts and I ran an
ecosystem mud filtration system, no skimmer, no refugium, no other filters. I am
planning on running the ecosystem filter again, but based on the advise of your
site will probably add a protein skimmer.
<I would highly recommend a protein skimmer.>
Anything else I should consider? I assume that a deep sand bed is still not
recommended with a mud system?
<Are you committed to the mud system? I think a deep sand bed would be a better
choice.>
How large should a refugium be for this size tank?
<I think bigger is better in this case. I would try to get a sump that is as
big as I could fit into the stand or what ever your limiting factor is. I would
dedicate a good portion of the sump to the refugium.>
My biggest confusion centers around lighting, lots has changed since I last set
up a tank. I gather that there are more efficient lighting systems than VHO on
the market now.
<VHO is still quite popular.>
Knowing what I want to keep, what type of lighting system would you
recommend? PC? Halide? HQI? T-5? I want something that is going to provide as
much lighting as needed, but not too much. I'd also like something that is not
going to break the bank each month with my electric bill. I'd rather pay a
little more up front to get reduced energy consumption. I like the look of the
Current Orbit lighting systems, but don't know which one would be the most
appropriate or if there is a better solution. What would you use if you were me?
<All could be used. This is really very much a personal choice. Each lighting
possibility/combination has benefits and draw backs. This is something you
really need to figure out for yourself. Many things to consider.>
My last concern is with setting up a species/region specific tank. I have done
the mixed garden type of setup in the past and I think it would be nice to set
up a system more in keeping with a particular region and stocking fish and coral
that would naturally be found in close proximity to each other.
<A good philosophy.>
My only problem is that I don't know enough to know what regions you would find
LPS corals in and what fish would be found in the same locations. If you were
setting up a tank that focused on LPS corals what region would you base it on
and what would you stock it with? Corals? Fish? Inverts? Anemone?
<I think you might enjoy a book by John H. Tullock. The book is titled Natural
Reef Aquariums, simplified approaches to creating living saltwater microcosms.
There are several chapters dedicated to setting up systems which reflect the wild reefs of various geographical areas. I think you will find several corals
of your liking in the chapter titled The Gulf of Mexico.>
Sorry for the length of this e-mail, but I really appreciate any help you are
able to provide...thanks...Jeremy
<I hope I have been of assistance. -Mich>
New System In The Works! - 12/06/06
First let me say thanks for establishing this forum for avid salt water
enthusiasts. I’d be remiss it I didn’t also offer a heartfelt thanks to the WWM
team for their expert advice.
<And thank you for the kind words! Scott F. here tonight!>
I am a frequent visitor to your site. I just purchased the Conscientious Marine
Aquarist and can’t wait to read it. I’ll be setting up a 180 gallon reef
aquarium. It will house predominately stony corals, but I have minimal
experience with them. I had a 150 gallon reef tank 6 years ago (my how things
change in a short period of time), but with the exception of a Hammer & Galaxea,
it was stocked with soft corals. Fish will consist of Anthias (unsure what
type: recommendations?), a Scott’s Fairy Wrasse, Chromis or other dither fish
that Anthias associate with (suggestions), 3 tangs: Powder Blue, Sohal, and
Purple, a Blackcap or Dottyback, a pair of shrimp gobies/pistol shrimp, a pair
of cleaner shrimp and later, a Mandarin & Tridacna clams.
<That's quite a big fish load! I'd cut the Tang choice to one of them- most
likely, the Purple Tang. Tangs get quite large, need significant amounts of
physical space (3 would need hundreds of gallons) and can be aggressive in tight
quarters You'll be surprised how tight 180 gallons can e with 3 tangs!).>
I have a 180 gallon All-Glass stand (24” clearance
to tank) and I plan to set-up a 180 gallon acrylic aquarium. I’ve read on your
site that if I go acrylic, I’ll need to place plywood under the entire
aquarium. Is it possible to use additional plywood to “raise” the tank to
accommodate an AquaC-240 skimmer without affecting the structural integrity of
the stand?
<Well, I think what we're getting here is that you need to make sure that the
tank is on a very level surface for long-term structural integrity.>
I’m also considering a Euro-Reef skimmer since these two are the models you
prefer. Based upon my desires, is the Euro-Reef worth the extra $?
<Yes, they really are. I've used a number of high end skimmers in my time,
including Deltec, Tunze, and Euroreef. I must say how impressed that I am with
my Euroreef! It's simple, well-built, and amazingly productive. Worth every
penny, IMO.>
Lighting will consist of 3 MH (2-175 & 1-250), & two blue actinics for
aesthetics. How high above the water level should the lights be mounted?
<I'd opt for 6 inches or so, myself.>
With the Scott's, should the tank be covered?
<You might want to cover the tank- they are jumpers. At the very least, you
could use some eggcrate over the cutouts for protection.>
I will incorporate a Wave2K as well. Would you recommend 1 center or 2?
<I'd start with one, as they are rather expensive, and you won't know your
tank's water movement needs until the rockwork is set>
You’re a proponent of Calcium Reactors. Should it be set up initially or can it
be added later?
<Well, it would be nice to have it set from day one, but you can also use two
part additives (like B-Ionic) or Kalkwasser until you assess your systems
calcium needs.>
What do you think of U/V & Ozone?
<Both have their place, but I'd be more inclined to use ozone before UV; I think
ti is more useful for most of us.>
I welcome your feedback on this set-up. I want to do it right the first time
and will invest the time, money & resources
necessary to prevent replacing inefficient equipment later. You can’t put a
price on having a piece of the ocean in your living room!!
<Amen to that! Don't skimp on your components. Get the best ones that you can
and think about the long term. Get some feedback from other hobbyists, and make
your choices based on the needs of your inhabitants.>
Thanks again and God Bless you this Christmas!
<You're quite welcome! And the very best to you and yours this holiday season!
Regards, Scott F.>
New Set-Up- New Questions! 11/01/06
Hey crew,
<Scott F. your Crew Member today!>
First off let me start by saying, "Thank you for a great resource on the net!"
This place has been a great spot for all sorts of late night and bathroom
reading.
<That's why laptop computers were invented! LOL>
I know my question has been answered in different ways and
different places but I want to make sure I am on the right track. I am setting
up a new 55 Gallon reef tank. I have been out of the saltwater hobby due to grad
school for a few years now. (A yellow tang buys a lot of Raman Noodles!).
<And peanut butter!>
I would like to keep corals and the works with this set-up. I used
to run a 38 Gallon set up with only live rock, sand, and a skimmer for my
filters. I just got passed a 55 Gallon tank for me to "play" with. It came with
a Aqua Clear Aquatics Wet/Dry, another Red Sea Skimmer (I have two now), 75lbs
of live sand, and two 48" PC (one 4 x 65W and one 2 x 65W). I also have a 20
Gallon I was going to hook up as a refugium.
<Sounds nice!>
First off let me start by telling you the "advice" I have gotten from my LFS and
you tell me if this sounds off to you. Run the overflow from the 55G to the 20G
refugium. Run a skimmer in the refugium with a heater. Use a pump to pump from
the refugium to the Wet/dry. Use the bio-balls in the wet dry with a carbon
filter under the ball but before the drip pan (seems kind of hard
to change the carbon that way), put the other skimmer in the sump of the wet
dry, and maybe think about putting another heater in the sump before returning
to "super clean" water back to the tank. I also might want to consider running a
36W UV set up in the refugium as well. Does something seem over kill here or is
it just me?!?
<I'd dump the bioballs from the wet dry. I would also use the carbon "passively"
in a media bag just kept in the sump where water can flow through it and you can
easily access it.>
Second, I have read many different things about using a wet/dry. I have never
used one before and am a bit weary of how they work. I just went and bought 2
gallons of bio balls but now am reading about how they are useless. Any
thoughts?
<Well, not useless...They are actually really efficient. It's just that they
tend to accumulate nitrate over time, which is sort of counterproductive in most
reef systems.>
Third, Can you give me a clue as to a R/O system that I should be looking at. I
am in the market because running to the LFS for water to change every week is a
chore (plus you see what I have to deal with at my LFS as far as advice). Should
I be looking at a 3 stage, 4 stage, 6 stage, or hiring a person from the South
Pacific to bring me Fiji water?!?
<I have used a Kent "Maxxima" 3 stage RO/DI system for years with good results.
Captive Purity and Spectra Pure are also nice systems
They also have come out with "Sea Water" taken from the ocean. This is new to me
but at 4 gallons for $14 sound like a rip off. Any truth to the claims that it
is the best things around since frozen brine shrimp?!?
<Well, it can be useful, but there are so many good brands of synthetic salt
mixes out there that it seems more economical to buy a good RO/DI unit and a
quality salt mix. Over time, this will be just fine, IMO.>
Fourth, (I know I have met my three question quota for the day but bear with
me.) What are your thoughts on UV lights? My last saltwater set up got a plague
of green hair algae before I took it down a few years ago. I fought that stuff
for about a year before it finally got the better of me. I have read conflicting
reports on if a UV set up works but I would also hate to deal with algae ever
again.
<Well, algae is a reality; we have to live with some of it. Nutrient export (i.e.;
water changes, use of chemical filtration media and overall good husbandry
techniques) are the key to combating nuisance algae. UV has it's place, but
I've never used it much and I would rather invest my money elsewhere.>
Ok that is about all I got for this session. Thank you so much for your help to
all of us new (and starting out again) in the hobby.
Brandon Gray
<Best of luck to you, Brandon! Regards, Scott F.>
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