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FAQs about Trachyphylliid Coral Disease/Health,
Parasites, Pests 1 Related Articles: Trachyphylliid Corals,
Trachyphyllia Reproduction Report,
Related FAQs: Trachyphyllia
Disease 2, Open Brain Coral
1, Open Brain Coral 2,
Trachyphylliid Identification,
Trachyphylliid Behavior,
Trachyphylliid Selection,
Trachyphylliid Compatibility,
Trachyphylliid Feeding,
Trachyphylliid Systems,
Trachyphylliid Reproduction,
Stony Corals, Stonies
2, Stonies 3, LPS
Stony Corals, Coral System Set-Up, Coral
System Lighting, Stony Coral Selection, Coral
Placement, Foods/Feeding/Nutrition,
Disease/Health, Propagation, Stony
Coral Behavior,
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Bloated Open Brain (Trachyphyllia) 6/25/08
Hi WWM Crew,
<Hello Cindy!>
I am very much hoping that you can alleviate my worries about our open brain.
<I hope so too!>
We've had 'him' for about 4 weeks now and until recently it appeared as though
everything was going well. Until the past few days his tentacles would come out
every evening - dinner time for everyone else as he was curious. Twice a week we
feed him a small morsel of clam, muscle, shrimp or octopus; which he accepts
gladly.
<Great! Glad to see you must have researched husbandry a little. Too many of
these starve to death in aquariums.>
There are never any leftovers and he hasn't spewed anything back into the tank.
The rest of the week he will get left overs that may drift to the bottom once
the fish have had their fill.
As far as I can tell he's well fed. Recently we have upgraded our lighting and
we are trying to acclimate everyone slowly to the better lighting.
Since we've changed the lighting though the open brain coral has bloated and his
tentacles are extended all the time. Based on all the research I've done I was
sure that his tentacles were a sure sign of hunger and the bloating was
generally reserved for the day after meals; but for the past three days they are
out almost 24/7 and his bloating is incredible; he expands by about 50%. He
still expands/retracts but the bloating is so much more than we've seen in the
past that I'm worried about the behaviour. Is he incredibly hungry or just
loving the new light? Do I step up the feeding/reduce/change it??
<This is a stress response, most likely. Expansion means more surface area, and
therefore more passive cooling/waste diffusion. Even if he isn't cooking, full
of waste, or wanting more light a coral only has so many responses to stress. If
something seems wrong and all you can do is puff up, you're going to puff up-
know what I mean?>
Tank details:
6 months old, 45 gal -corner tank, 40lbs live rock, 2" live crushed coral
covered by 1" fine live sand. 2 percula clowns, 1 cleaner shrimp, one engineer
goby, 1 hammer coral, 1 bubble coral, 1 open brain :-), green Zoanthid polyps, 1
doz. assorted snails, 3 red hermits, various blue legged crabs, small refugium
with 4 mangroves, Tunze 50 gal protein skimmer, Fluval filter, 78 degrees, 8.2
ph, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 20 nitrate??, 380 calcium. The calcium levels is
slowly being increased (over the course of 2 weeks) to 400. The nitrates are
frustrating, they are always there, we've tested the change water and the
nitrates are 0, but after 1 day they jump to 10, am hoping the new lighting will
increase the algae and that will help to take care of the nitrates.
<Well, to run the colloquialism through the nitrogen cycle..."nitrate happens".
It can be tough to control in smaller tanks...but it sounds like you know how to
stay on top of it.>
Change water 10% twice weekly. Old lighting: 2 x 18" 15w fluorescent bulbs 1 x
10,000k (ocean sun), 1 x 20,000 (coral sun) - new lighting: 1 250w 14,000k metal
halide.
<VERY good lighting! Keep an eye on that 14k, I've heard sometimes they don't
hold their spectrum as long as the 10k or 20k flavor.>
Thank you very much for the hours upon hours of reading material that you have
provided for us!
<You are very welcome! Thank you for reading them! I think your brain should
return to normal as he adjusts to the new lighting. If he begins to bleach or
show other signs of serious stress consider slower acclimation to the light- and
feel free to write in if problems arise.>
Cindy
<Benjamin>
Green open brain not inflating 10/6/05
I enjoy your site and find it very helpful. I have looked at many articles
and Q & A on open brain corals. I have some answers but was looking for more
specific suggestions. I have a 29 gallon tank. 135 watts power compact lights.
Ph=8.3, salinity is currently 1.026 (has fluctuated from 1.024-1.027 at times b/c
of evaporation. Relatively stable though), Nitrate 5-10, Nitrite 0, Ammonia 0,
Calcium 480, KH 8, temp 78 degrees (some fluctuations but relatively stable).
Bak-Pak 2r Skimmer, Skilter 250 (don't use skimming aspect), and power sweep
212. I have had a green open brain for two months. I purchased it from my LFS
attached to a small piece of rock. I have sat it on the bottom since I got it.
It seemed to be doing very well up until 2-3 days ago. It would inflate/expand
during the day while deflating and tentacles would come out at night. Recently
it does not inflate/expand like it used to during the day. Also it has not
opened its mouth during feeding recently. Finally, I no
longer see its tentacles at night. I have historically feed a variety of frozen
foods to the couple fish in my tank including: mysis, formula one, ocean
plankton. I had not directly feed this brain but always observed it opening its
mouth during feeding times and had visibly seen it eat small pieces of food that
float into its mouth in the past. Should I be concerned about this change? Any
advice its greatly appreciated. <Not a difficult coral to care for. Your
lighting is close to borderline for keeping these. As far as food, they will
produce most of their own food but benefit from occasional plankton feeding such
as Cyclop-Eeze. You didn't state how long you have had it. Is lighting on for
12 hours/day? Addition of strontium and other trace elements is very helpful in
maintaining this coral. Read here Anthony...http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyphlliidae.htm James
(Salty
Dog)>
Thanks
Anthony
Green open brain
II 10/7/05
Thanks for your quick response.
<You're welcome>
Yes, I do keep my lights on for 12 hours/day. I actually do dose with strontium and iodine. I also do 5 Gallon weekly water changes. My question is specifically does the lack of inflating and currently no tentacles at night represent some kind of specific problem? What can I do? It seems to be a negative change from my observations.
Is the green open brain dying?
<Pretty tough to answer that without observing. Couple of things to consider...How old are the PC bulbs. Should be changed yearly. Might want to try moving the coral. Do not keep it in direct current path from the pump/powerhead. Do you have any fish that may be picking on it? Are water changes done with Reef Crystals or a similarly reef enhanced product? Other than that, just observe. You didn't mention how long you've had it, short time/long time. James (Salty Dog)>
Open Brain Coral. HELP!! - 08/20/05
Hi,
<<Hello>>
I recently bought an open brain coral that is hot pink and green.
<<I love these!>>
It has not opened up at all yet to release its tentacles but it has opened and
closed its mouth. I am only feeding it oyster eggs and plankton at the moment.
<<Diced meaty foods please...>>
My concern is that the coral is starting to loose its color and the skeleton is
starting to show around the edges.
<<A bad sign.>>
I moved it into a cave because I think the light was to strong.
<<A common mistake to put these corals in the top third of the tank believing
the bright colors indicate high light requirements...usually dooms the
coral. Should be on the bottom in the sand for most (conical-shaped
skeleton).>>
Since then I have yet to see the mouth close at all. Is this normal?
<<No...another bad sign.>>
Now, the fleshy middle where the mouth is has been ripped or detached from the
outer skeleton. Will my coral make it to see another day or is this a battle
that's already been lost?
<<From your description I'm inclined to believe this coral is doomed/lost. Do
ensure your water parameters are up to par, and have a good read through our
FAQs re this coral: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyphyllidfaqs.htm
Jessica
<<Regards, EricR>>
Re: Trachyphyllia.. nutrition, health... RMF career 7/22/05
Good day Bob or whoever I may be speaking to today....I hope all is
going great today...
I have several things to throw your way today...I'm sorry if I've got a
repeat question thrown in here.
In regards to my Trachyphyllia:
When food is offered to it, the mouths close up. Except when I offered
plankton. I haven't ever seen sweeper tentacles come out (even when it
was doing normal cycles), Do you think it may be getting the nutrients
it needs by me taking a plastic syringe and gently directing fine meaty
foods at it... even without the presence of the tentacles?
<Possibly, yes>
The algae that is forming on small parts of the skeleton... could I try
to gently remove it somehow or would this be advised against?
<Directing a stream of water... as with a powerhead or small submersible pump is
all I would do... don't physically touch>
Is Iodide harmful to any marine animals or corals if used properly (that
you are aware of)?
<Not unless overdosed>
I've got a rock that had several mushroom corals growing, a piece of the
rock broke off leaving one of the mushrooms attached to the original
rock as well as the broken off piece. Is it best to let it be (it is
hanging, I've propped it back up but it wont stay) or someone
recommended I should just tear it off the original rock :( sounds
painful but I'm not sure it feels pain like that? :)
<I would "tear it off", move it to someplace safe, stable>
Thank you in helping me on my journey, I swear I'm not trying to be hand
fed... I just need a little help with this predicament (the brain). And
the other questions are just thrown in there... my main concern is my
brain though!
On a bit of a more social level...what is your favorite dive location?
<Mmm, there's a bunch... overall, the Red Sea likely>
Bob... do you go and speak at seminars
<Almost every month... for the last few decades... to hobby groups mainly, in
the pet-fish and dive/adventure interests>
or am I interpreting some info
wrong.... at one point in one of your responses to someone's questions it
sounded like you do seminars, if you do...have you ever found yourself
in Indiana?
<I think so...>
One more personal/social question... what is your career...
How do you make it possible to go on all these wonderful diving
journeys?
Thanks guys!!!
Codie S.
<Good, friendly questions... I do five "things" for money, including two that
are petfish related... am a content provider, selling writing and photography...
But really, am retired in terms of having to "do" work... invested a part of
what I earned, in stocks in good companies, real property... so I can/do travel
about half the year. And I do encourage you to take up the dive, travel habit as
well! Thank you for asking, sharing. Bob Fenner>
Trachyphyllia health mainly 7/19/05
Hello...Your site is wonderful! I have an open brain (Trachyphyllia).
I received many corals from a man who was going to throw them
away.... some were in great condition however my brain was not too great.
I've had it now for about a month. At first it didn't go through a
normal cycle, then for about a week it started to... I had two large
hermits
<Predaceous...>
(I took them to a new home last week) that were picking on the
brain, needless to say the brain quit going through its cycles because
these crabs were picking at it. Now the brain's tissue is ripped, has
holes in it, and about half of it's skeleton is visible. The color in
the tissue is still good, there is some algae growing on the outer rim
of the skeleton.
<Not good>
I'm very concerned, and I'm not too sure that it is
going to recoup. It hasn't been going through it's cycles, it's like it
can't because it is so filled with holes (if that is a possible
reasoning?), How do I go about making sure it is getting food so it can
regain it's life, etc?
<Iodide treatments, fine food offerings...>
Is there anything else I could do to help it's
recovery move along quickly? Is it possibly hurting anything in my tank
by being so decrepit?
<Possibly... I would watch your water quality, other livestock>
Sorry for so many questions! I've searched your
site and you have so so much info on Trachyphyllia (so much wonderful
info about a lot of things!) but I can't seem to find what I should do
about my situation. Please help :)
Thank you so much!
Codie S.
<Keep reading my friend. Clarity is pleasurable. Bob Fenner>
Sponge taking over open brain coral 5/31/03
I have an open brain coral (Trachyphyllia geoffroyi) that has a sponge
grow on it. I first noticed the sponge about 5-months ago and
about 3-months ago it split into two sponges. Both sponge are
approximately equal size. I left it alone as it was not hurting the open
brain coral.
<actually, most all sponges are quite noxious... the warfare between
most invertebrates is slow (weeks/months)>
Recently, I noticed the open brain receding in the area near the sponge,
as the sponge is growing larger. I have attached some picts. Do
you know what type of sponge this may be?
<it appears to be a common yellow/green calcareous species that we
often see in aquaria. Perhaps a Clathrina sp>
Would it be possible to cut the sponge off along with
some of the skeleton of the coral?
<yes... very good>
I really like the look of the sponge and want to keep it, but I also don't
want to lose my open brain. Any other
suggestions would be appreciated.
<you have the right idea, my friend>
I have a 46-gallon bow front tank and the open brain is approximately
6" by 5" shape. All the water parameters are good; ph
8.2, calcium ~430, phosphate 0.3, no detectable amounts of ammonia,
nitrite, and nitrate. Thanks, Alex
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Trachyphyllia gone wild!!!! - 6/23/03
My favorite coral has not been doing well for a few weeks. <Sorry
to hear> This afternoon I took the turkey baster to blow off the sand
that the sand-sifting goby threw on top of the open brain. <Not good,
my friend> I was going to move the brain away from the fish's den and
when I lifted the brain to get a look at the bottom of the brain I
discovered that the skeleton was showing. <I saw that in the picture.
In need of TLC for sure> I decided to lift it off the sand with a piece
of PVC. <Very good idea and I pray you moved it away from the goby's
den?> I also noticed that there are hard tubes growing on the sides of
the skeleton, like the ones that feather dusters build. <I have that on
mine as well. Normal.... and as far as I can see, no harm no foul. Just
opportunistic space requiring tube worms.> What should I do to help my
brain??? Well, first be sure to move it away from the goby's den.
Elevating is good. No algae blooms! Keep water clean through a frequent
water change regime. Feed the coral if it will extend it's tentacles for
feeding. Maybe even coax it by spraying a little Mysid juice before
feeding. If not already, stabilize your lighting scheme, and lastly, be
sure that if the brain were to expand, that it does not scrape against
rocks or other corals. Even a healthy specimen can have a hard time with
that. Good luck> Thanks in advance. By the way, if this pictures are
helpful to you, you may keep and publish. <We'll do! thanks>
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Brain Bleaching?
Hi I have a red brain coral I have had him for about a year now. I have
noticed that his color is fading and he is turning a white color. He's not
shrunken or shriveled, he just is turning white like the color is fading out.
Any suggestions?
<Well, there could be a number of factors at play. Check water quality,
lighting (are the bulbs getting old? Too much light?), feeding habits (are you
feeding the animal regularly?), current (excessive current?). Any potential
allelopathic competition (like from Sinularia or other "noxious" soft
corals). Is anyone in the tank "sampling" the coral's tissue? These
guys seem very "tasty" to some fish...Lots of possible factors. Do a
little checking, and adjust conditions as needed. The answers are out there!
Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
The Tang That Ate His Brain! (Brain Coral In Trouble?)
I have a brain coral (Trachyphyllia) and over the last few days I have
noticed a white cotton like substance on it, a little smaller than the size of a
pencil eraser. It seems to be getting larger. The interesting thing
is that when the lights come on it seems to suck into the brain coral and
vanishes. Could there be a bite in the coral caused by my yellow tang taking a
nip at it once in awhile or is this some sort of sponge? Thank you so much for
your help!
<Well, for whatever reason, these corals seem to be especially
"tasty" to many fishes. I suspect that, as you surmised, this may be
some localized trauma to the coral as a result of someone "munching".
The abscess or traumatized area probably seems to "retract" into the
animal when the tissue expands in response to "lights up"...Keep a
close eye on the animal, and consider removing it if it is continuously harassed
by the tang, or declines in health...Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
Burned Tissue
hello crew, <Hi, Ryan with you> I have this awesome green Trachyphyllia that was in contact with one of my
Favias sweeper
tentacles, <Yikes> I have moved the two of them further apart. The Trachyphillia's tissue is
damaged in one area, skeleton showing , about 1/4" on the bottom ridge. Is there any thing
I can do to prevent further loss and possibly help it grow back? <A nice large water change of 20%. That's about it> I have been feeding the other areas of the coral heavy with Selcon soaked
Mysis shrimp, I've been trying to get the damaged polyp to eat as much as I can , the end mouth won't take in the food but the others next to the damage will eat. <Leave him be, it will re-grow> Iodine dip??? Coral dip??? <Nope> Kinda in a hurry ,
thanks
a lot all...<no problem! See ya, Ryan>
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Trachyphyllia Health
Hi Crew,
(re-sending without attachment. For some reason all my emails sent to
“crew@wetwebmedia.com” bounce back if I include an attachment – even though
the size is minimal [25kB])
I am a bit concerned about my Trachyphyllia. I think I have a T. Radiata
but, from the attached photo, maybe you can help me to verify this as well
(it has a flat base – not conical and it does appear to have more “folds”
than what I have observed in most photos of T. geoffroyi). My concern is
that I can see the skeleton nearly penetrating through the coral’s tissue in
many places. This occurs during the day but the coral inflates to nearly
round after the lights turn off and it appears “normal” at this time. << I
wouldn't be surprised if it is eating at night, and therefore expanding. >> I
have had this coral for about a month now and it does seem that the skeleton
has become more visible during this time.
This coral sits on the aragonite substrate of my 180g tank, with 520W of PC
lighting (50% actinic / 50% 10,000K) and 3,000 gph flow (1,200 gph via
alternating-flow manifold). Water parameters: Temp=79-81 F, pH=8.1-8.2,
Alk=4meq, Ammonia=0, Nitrite=0, Nitrate<5ppm, Ca=400ppm. I noticed my pygmy
angel nipping at this coral for the first several days after adding the
Trachyphyllia to the tank but, with over 200 pounds of live rock, I have
been unable to catch this fish (I am open to any suggestions). I am moving
in six weeks so I will remove all such “nuisance fish” when I drain the tank
at that time. I am just concerned that this coral might not make it that
long.
My second concern is that I have never been able to see any feeder tentacles
or polyps on this coral. I had read that these corals are very hardy and
that they require no external food so I had not been concerned about feeding
it. Tonight I read that these corals require feedings about three times
weekly, with meaty foods and that they should only be fed when their
tentacles are out. << The coral may not "need" to be fed, but feeding can
certainly help them grow. I would recommend weekly feeding. >> So now I am
worried that I have been starving the coral
and that I do not know how to feed it (since there appear to be no
tentacles). I have used a dim flashlight to check for tentacles on several
occasions (after the tank lights have been out for a few hours and the brain
coral was inflated). << You can directly target feed these types of corals. You
can use any type of small shrimp or even krill. Simply feed your tank (the
coral can tell when there is food around) and wait a few minutes. Then, with
your fingers take a piece of shrimp and hold it on the coral (near any mouth
opening). It may take a few minutes, but it will open up and ingest the food.
Go to www.utahreefs.com and under Presentations you will find a PowerPoint on
Feeding A Reef. It has video clips of feeding brain corals. >>
I have Eric Bornemann's book “Aquarium Corals”, in which I have read
everything I could find about this coral. Unfortunately, I feel that I am
still missing something. I have tried feeding zooplankton, phytoplankton,
marine snow and mysids but I have never noticed any feeding response from
this coral. << They are not the easiest corals to feed. Unfortunately indirect
feeding, and even semi direct feeding don't work well for them. You really have
to hold the food right on them. >> I have even used a turkey baster to quirt
these foods directly
onto the surface of the coral but my cleaner shrimp always picks the food
off the coral before the coral has a chance to react. I have tried this
during the day and at night, with the same results.
Please advise how I should attempt to feed this coral and what might be
causing the appearance of the exposed skeleton. I am assuming this is not
health appearance. << I would also see what other's are doing to keep these
corals. You may be able to pick up some advice from some friends in similar
situations. I for one like to have these corals in areas of high lighting. >>
Thank you,
--Greg
<< Adam Blundell >>
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Follow-up: Trachyphyllia Health
Adam (or crew member of the day), <Hi Greg, MacL here>
Since my emailed photos are no longer being received via WWM email, I put the
photo of my Trachyphyllia on a web page for you to view (http://home.comcast.net/~greg.wyatt/trachy.htm).
<Sorry you are having to do this. Some type of technical difficulties.>
Hopefully this will help to clear-up my concerns. Since this is my first brain
coral, I am unsure whether the white, nearly exposed skeletal areas around the
mouths should be considered "normal". <Have you been to the website and looked
at the section on these types of corals?
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyphlliidae.htm. This looks very similar to
the ones pictured on this page. I can't see very well around the mouth because
of the angle but you should be able to tell if its similar or not.> The pygmy
angel that appears to think this coral is an appetizer and the apparent lack of
feeder tentacles has me concerned. <I'm sure and pygmy's can be terrible pests
to this type of coral. You might need to consider removing the pygmy. But let me
ask? If you haven't seen him nibble on it why do you think he's the pest for it?
Like Adam, I think you need to feed this coral. Is there anyway to keep the
shrimp off of it? Perhaps even putting it in something to feed it? I hate to
disturb them but I really feel you need to feed it some. I am a bit concerned
that you are seeing through to the stony coral below. Although the fact that it
is swelling at night does mean usually that it is feeding. I know that my brains
feed much better at night.>If you have any additional input after viewing this
photo, please advise. Thank you! <Hope this helped Greg, MacL.>
--Greg |
Trachyphyllia Problem II
Hi MacL, <Hi Greg, got a little help from a friend to help you as well.> I
wish I could remove the pygmy angel but, as I mentioned below, I have a 180
gallon tank with over 200 pounds of live rock. So, although I have tried many
methods of capturing this fish, I have had no luck.<Well I know people who have
gone so far as to try to catch them with a hook.> I certainly welcome any
suggestion you might have for catching this fish! Otherwise, I do plan on
removing it, my damsels and an eyelash blenny when I move to my new house in six
weeks. I must drain the tank at that time so I should be able to catch
everything them. I am just concerned the Trachyphyllia will not last that long.
<Well I've heard of an acrylic cage over them. With lots of openings that water
and light can go through but not the angel.>
The reason I am concerned about the pygmy angel is because it nips at the
brain coral daily. Although I have never noticed it removing tissue from
the coral directly, I am sure this nipping must cause some amount of coral
stress. <The Trachyphyllia is pulling it's flesh in so often that it's exposing
areas of skeleton. Trachyphyllia retract due to declining water parameters or
some other form of irritation, usually nipping by fish or chemical warfare from
other organisms. Since this coral is not in the close proximity to other corals
and (assumably) the water parameters are in check, the angel seems to be the
culprit.>
I tried again to feed the coral tonight. I soaked freeze-dried krill in
tank water and Selcon for 30 minutes. I then cut the softened krill into
small pieces and held one piece over the oral cavity of the Trachyphyllia.
The coral did expand slightly but, even after 20 minutes, sweeper tentacles
never appeared and it never ate the krill. <Maybe something smaller? like
Mysis?>
There are two openings on this coral. I assumed both are oral openings. Is
this the case or is one an "entrance and the other an "exit"? If so, I
think I might heed to apologize to my coral! ;-) Maybe re-hydrated, freeze
dried foods will not be consumed by corals. My fish love them so I expected
to at least get some response from the Trachyphyllia.
Do you have any other suggestions? <You have got to find a way to protect that
coral? or perhaps a friend to keep it until you get the fish moved? Good luck
Greg, MacL>
--Greg
P.S.
Please forward the issue about the file attachment to your ISP. This was a
problem a few weeks ago also but I was eventually able to get an email
through. For the past week I have been unable to get any email through if
it contained attachments (even very small attachments). <Done> |
Follow-up on Trachyphyllia
Hi Crew!<Hi Greg>
Good news today!!! Regarding the problem with my Trachyphyllia, mentioned
below - I moved this coral to my refugium and in only one day it looks like
a completely different coral! <Wonderful to hear> It is now inflated at all
times, all tears
appear to have mended and it has vibrant color. [ I tried to attach "before"
and "after" photos to this email but, once again, WWM email bounced the email
with these small attachments. You can view the photos at:
http://home.comcast.net/~greg.wyatt/trachy.htm ]
I guess the pygmy angel's nipping must have been irritating the coral to the
point where it was declining rapidly. The refugium lighting is closer to the
coral and there is also an ample supply of Mysid shrimp, amphipods and copepods
in the refugium as well, so maybe the coral is finally eating also. Whatever the
cause, the Trachyphyllia has nearly made an instant recovery.
My plan now is to just wait-out the next six weeks until I move to my new
house. At that time I will drain my 180g tank and remove the nuisance fish (the
pygmy angel, three damsels and an "attack" eyelash blenny). Then I hope the
Trachyphyllia will find the tank a much better place to live. <Sounds like it!>
Of course, the move presents challenges of its own - having several tangs, other
fish, 200+ pounds of live rock, live sand and some corals!
Anyway, I just wanted to follow-up with the good news! As always, thank you for
maintaining such a truly beneficial service in WetWebMedia.com! <Glad we could
help.>
--Greg |
Brain Meltdown
Hi,
<Hello, Ryan Bowen with you today>
I'm sorry if I am bothering you. <Not at all> I can't find the answer to
this. I have a 46 bow, water, temp., etc. good. I had a small pink and green
brain in my tank for a few days and it looked to be doing fine. I went out of
town for a few days and had a house sitter here taking care of everything. When
I got back, the brain was all white and a hard coral. <Do you mean that his
skeleton was exposed?> I don't know what went wrong. I also have a colt coral
and it's fine. <A much hardier specimen> Tank mates include clown, mandarin
dragonet, Kole tang, humbug, coral beauty, emerald green crab, blue legged crab,
yellow tang,, and things growing on live rock. All fish are small right now.
<Yes, but they grow!> If you can help me it would be great. Thank you.
<I'm not sure that you have adequate lighting for this coral. What are you
using? Also, the coral beauty is a notorious nipper at clam and coral of this
type. Other than that, I'm going to need more specifics (Not just water's good)
to get to the root of this problem. Good luck, Ryan.>
Kris
Open brain question
Hi WWM crew – love your website; what a wonderful resource of information!
I have searched the archives, FAQs, etc. but not found enough specific info to answer my question . . . so here we go:
I was recently (10 days ago) given an open brain coral (Trachyphyllia geoffroyi) by a well-meaning (but lacking any aquarium experience) friend.
I have a 125 g reef system, up and running for 18 months. Current creatures include: 4 clowns sharing 2 BTAs, 1 yellow tang, 1 royal
Gramma, 1 cleaner
shrimp, 1 coral banded shrimp, and usual assortment of snails. Corals include 1 hammerhead, 1
Galaxea, a small stalk of xenia, and 2 gorgonians (Diodogorgia nodulifera & Swiftia exserta). The
BTAs are on one side of the tank, anchored mid-way up the rockwork and happy campers. The hammerhead
and Galaxea are on the other side of the tank, about a foot apart and 8” from the top of the tank. The gorgonians are on the sand, one at each end
of the tank.
I placed the open brain in the sand at the front center of the tank, where it gets light and low/moderate current. (current provided by 2
opposing Maxijet 1200s in the two back corners of the tank and inflow from a Rena XP3 (used for mechanical filtration), a Mag3 and no-name powerhead
rated at 500gph also provide circulation (the Mag3 runs an Aqua C Remora protein skimmer) (total circulation = 15x tank volume).
Water parameters all test fine (0 ammonia, nitrates, nitrites, phosphates) with
Alk of 3.5
mEq and Ca 300-350ppm range, depending on water changes/bi-weekly dosing.
<Okay>
Anyway, I didn’t know anything about brain corals before receiving this one, so read everything I could find about them on your website. This coral doesn’t have good polyp extension, the swelling barely covered the skeleton when
I got him, so I figured he was probably hungry, and after several days to acclimate, I attempted feeding him finely diced shrimp & mussels (same
mixture I feed the anemones). I have gotten him to eat twice, but he doesn’t have long or large feeding
tentacles – they only raise like tiny bumps. It is a slow process that takes about 1 hour to accomplish, and I have to fend off my cleaner shrimp
to keep him from trying to steal the food while the brain is working at engulfing it with the polyps/tentacles. I was guessing that maybe he is
just starved and has tissue recession due to capture, lack of feeding, etc.
<This is my guess as well>
But after the second feeding two days ago, he seems to have gotten worse. The skin seems to be tearing and ridges of the skeleton are poking through
on two of the polyps. He is not even swelling at all during the day. The polyps are deflated and looking thin. Upon careful inspection I noticed
that it appears he has had a slow tissue regression for some time. Can it be saved?
<Yes>
If so, what is the best approach? I have noticed what appear to be grains of sand in the skeletal parts that are exposed. Any suggestions?
Thanks, Kevin
<I do not see that you add iodine/ate here... I would definitely dose this at near maximum... I would re-direct your circulation to this animals vicinity and if possible increase the lighting directed toward it... other than this, I would not move it, would keep offering foods... Bob Fenner>
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Trachyphyllia Troubles
I hope you can answer this question, I have recently purchased a Trachyphyllia. Below is a picture of the coral. As you will note from the
photo there are two open brains. The top coral seems to be doing very well. Within a day or so of introducing it to the aquarium the bottom
brain has retracted from the skeleton. The edges of the soft tissue appear to be melting away it's mouth is gaping. Is the bottom brain
dying and if so what should I do? The top brain is doing ok. Will the bottom brain get better? Any help you can give would be greatly
appreciated?
<John, the problem appears to be that these corals are right next to each other. The one in poor shape probably got stung by the other. Separate them and all you can do is hope for the best. James (Salty Dog)> |
Open Brain Sliming
Good Morning!
<It's evening! Trying to trick me, eh...>
I purchased a green/red open brain a couple of weeks ago. It looked good, has expanded more in my tank than in the LFS, but
yesterday morning I noticed a bit of a translucent slime around one edge. This morning it had extended to enshroud approx. ½ the coral.
There is a bit of skeleton exposed on the edge that first exhibited the problem. The edge where this started is up against some live rock
(wasn’t touching when I placed the coral, but it has since expanded and
now touches a bit – is that a problem???)
<I would not allow the extended tissues to touch the rock, as it will become abraded in the extensions and contractions these animals perform day to day>
Is there anything I should be doing other than wait and watch?
Tank params:
52 g – 20 in. tall
Lighting: 2- 96w PC actinics, 2- 175W 20000k MH
Ca/Alk: 405/2.9
Temp: 78 – 78.5
pH: 8.2
NO2/NO3 both 0
<If you have a coral of the genus 'Trachyphyllia' then the "sliming" behavior is perfectly natural. These corals excrete a mucus coating to trap floating particulates, and then ingest the entire coating. Make sure you keep it well fed - M. Maddox>
Re: Open Brain Sliming - Brown Jelly Disease
Well, it turned out to be brown jelly. By this afternoon there was very little living tissue left - probably 2/3 of the skeleton was fully
exposed and what little live tissue was left was breaking down and melting away.
<Ack! Remove that coral ASAP! It may be possible to frag and save the healthy parts of the coral, but you do NOT want the 'brown jelly' (a protozoan) spreading!>
Are any of the following organisms at risk from loose "jelly" being blown around in the tank (GSPs, mushrooms, hammer coral,
trumpet coral, pearl bubble coral)? If so, is there anything I can do to lessen the risk?
<All LPS are at risk - remove the coral ASAP. If you don't have a QT tank, just ditch the entire coral>
I've started running charcoal - don't know if that will help, but I guess it couldn't hurt...
<Never a bad thing, but it won't kill Protozoans. Make sure to remove it ASAP, and keep a very close eye on your other LPS. In the meantime, set up a quarantine tank if you don't already have one!>
Thanks,
-Brian
<Good luck - M. Maddox>
Re: Open Brain sliming & Brown Jelly Disease Follow-up
I took it out a few hours after my last post - there was no healthy tissue left, but some of that stuff did get loose in the tank, some when
I was removing it and some due to my peppermint shrimp slicing and dicing at it, so ...
<Too bad :\ Quarantine next time!>
I found an article that suggested as a follow up to dealing with an infection adding Vitamin C to the tank for 14 days according to some
instructions but the link to said instructions was dead - how do I do this? How much and what form? Ground up C from the health food store??
An additional recommendation was good flow to reduce the chances of the
jelly being able to collect, which I have.
<Do not add ascorbic acid directly (i.e. don't use human pills) as it will drop your pH drastically. Instead, use a liquid\buffered supplement that can be found on any online retailer's site>
Thanks, Brian.
<Anytime - M. Maddox>
Trachyphyllia geoffroyi with worms
Dear Bob,
I recently received an open brain coral and noticed several small holes in the
skeleton. At night small worms emerge from these holes. The coral has not
expanded since it arrived a week ago. Are these worms damaging to the coral?
<Possibly... particularly if their other sources of foods have been removed,
and/or their host substrate damaged otherwise>
I have not seen holes in other LPS corals before and have several very healthy
ones.
<This happens... some specimens, same species are very different>
I put the new coral in quarantine awaiting your response.
I have added the flame angel as the last fish in my 150 gallon system. The
community is doing very well: blue damsel, true percula clown, yellow Hawaiian
tang, royal Gramma, sleeper goby, 3 neon gobies, flame angel, and 3 convicts. I
plan (hope)
<Me too... two nets... a friend helping...>
to remove one or two of the convicts as they are now about 4 inches long. Both
the show tank and refugium are loaded with amphipods and copepods. I assume they
provide a great deal of natural food so I feed very little flake daily and live
brine shrimp once a week.
<Yes>
It has now been a year since I started into this great hobby with the help of
your book and website.
<Ah, glad to help>
I guess that no matter how much macro algae and no matter how
"perfect" the water chemistry, filtration, and u/v are I still have to
clean the glass twice a week. Is this done so frequently in the crystal clear
tanks I see in restaurants, dealers, and city aquariums?
<Yes my friend... and/or the folks stoop to using chemical filtrants, algae
controls... which are destructive to the livestock...
Howard
Decline of open brain coral
Dear Bob,
I purchased two open brain corals that looked in perfect health. After about 5
days one a nice lime green variety began to decline. Tissue recession, eroding
flesh etc. I noticed a small worm(?) looking organism coming out of a whole in
the coral. The organism has a feathery looking head (barnacle)?
<More likely some sort of "feather duster worm" (Sedentariate
Polychaete, see here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/feather.htm) and not likely
involved in the loss of health of your coral>
Could this be the reason for the decline?
<Probably not>
Any help appreciated. All other corals doing fine.
Thanks,
Mario
<Five days is too short a period of time to "judge" whether these
corals are just suffering from "moving shock"... do check you
alkalinity, biomineral concentrations... and consider an exceptional dose of
iodide. Otherwise I would wait, try a small "wash feeding". Bob
Fenner>
Sudden decline of brain corals
Dear Bob,
I recently e mailed you about a sudden decline of a newly purchased open brain.
Not only has it died but the other one is doing the same thing and my candycanes
which were in close proximity to the first brain are dead. All smell foul I
removed all and did a 20% water change. So far the other corals fish etc. are
fine. Water parameters are fine.
What did you think ?
<Yikes... think it's time to pay close attention to your water quality... DO
mix up, have more reserve synthetic water ready to go... keep an eye on
alkalinity, pH, biomineral content of your water... perhaps render a dose of
iodide. Do contact the supplier of the Open-Brain/Trachyphyllia corals. Bob
Fenner>
Mario
Trachyphyllia geoffroyi in Distress
Bob,
<Steven Pro this evening.>
We’ve had a Trachyphyllia Geoffroyi for about 5 months now. Up until a
couple of weeks ago, it was doing great. Over the past couple of weeks, it’s
been expanding less and less. At this point, when the lights are on it’s very
shriveled up. Everything else in the tank is doing fine. We’ve been putting
phytoplankton in the tank, but haven’t been specifically feeding the
Trachyphyllia until the past couple of days. It’s been expanding its feeders
further at night, so we thought it was possibly just hungry. We’ve been
defrosting frozen reef cubes (a mixture of different shell fish) and placing it
right on the feeders, but it’s only taken the food twice. The rest of the
time, it eventually floats off or the shrimp come and get it. We’ve also tried
moving it up off the sand and closer to the lights, but nothing seems
to be helping. It’s reached the point where are tangs and damsels are
starting to pick at it. Is there something else we could be doing for it?
<It sounds like a nutrition/feeding problem. This coral does not eat
phytoplankton nor will it like big cubes of frozen foods. Try feeding defrosted,
frozen Mysis shrimp and/or plankton nightly. Also, you may want to soak this
food while defrosting in Selcon and Vita-Chem. Lastly, if this coral appears to
die, leave it in your tank for up to two months. I cannot go into details until
Anthony & I finish our article. -Steven Pro>
Thank so much for any help you can provide.
Kathy Fielder
Re: Trachyphyllia geoffroyi in Distress
Did Anthony mention this to you? We are keeping it kind of secret. I made
a big discovery, anthocauli production in a "dead" Trachyphyllia one
month after
"death". I have photos and we worked up an article for publication.
Every
other source we could find says this only occurs in the Fungiids. When we are
finished, we will send to you for review, editing, and possibly forwarding to
your contacts at FAMA.
<Sounds great... and Steve, you (all) don't "need" my assistance in
editing, forwarding to editors... am glad to help in anyway I can though. Bob F,
who hopes to see your materials also running on our sites... AND you referring
people to the articles, accumulated FAQs there more.>
Thanks,
Steven Pro
Red Open Brain being eaten
Guys,
My reef tank is just shy of a year old. It is loaded with small gray
shrimp-like
crustaceans. I call them "critters".
About three weeks ago some of these damned critters decided that my Red Open
Brain
was an all night smorgasbord.
They have eaten the red colored outer flesh down to the skeleton on a section
that is now
fully 3/8" wide. I am angry beyond words. I had an
Eiblii Angel do the same thing, but I
simply removed him from the tank.
I can't remove hundreds upon hundreds of critters. I even purchased a
Mandarin Goby
about a month ago to help control the critters, but he can't eat all of them.
The Red Open Brain, along with my three other LPS's, all eat 4 times per week
(clam,
squid, shrimp, krill).
Before I lose this coral, what do I need to try?
<Time to "raise the bar". Will your system, other livestock
tolerate a small wrasse species? Please read through www.WetWebMedia.com marine
section re Pseudocheilinus choices: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pseudocheilinus.htm
Bob Fenner>
NOTE: The brain is located on the substrate right in the middle of
the tank.
Sincerely,
Mark Schwartz
Red Open Brain being eaten
Anthony, if the coral were dying for another reason, wouldn't the flesh look
necrotic in some way?
<not at all... if the coral was merely suffering from attrition there would
be no pathogenic species to create a necrotic symptom>
My lighting is PC fluorescent.
<if that means normal output... OK. Low light for most coral, but fine for
the brain if the tank is less than 20" deep>
I feed all four LPS corals four times per week.
<excellent! Finely minced I hope (nothing bigger than 1/4"? Else a tear
is inevitable like with anemones)>
They all eat every time. (One red brain, one green brain, one tongue, and one
Favia brain). Oh yeah, I also want a red lobo and a Favites
brain. I like brain corals :-) The Favia is well off by
himself (10 inches to the nearest coral -- the tongue, plus, the
Favia is up on a rock, while the brains and the tongue are on the
substrate).
<all good>
The red brain is downstream from a tongue coral (6 inches
separation). The tongue has been in the tank the longest (10+
months). It has also clearly grown (in width, anyway).
Chemical warfare from the tongue against the red brain?
<possible... but not so severe as to be primary. Bigger concerns would be a
weak water change schedule (less than 25% monthly), poor skimmer performance,
lack of chemical media (monthly carbon or better), aged lamps (over 6 months
old)>
Sincerely, Mark Schwartz
<Anthony>
Red Open Brain being eaten? Not by amphipods
Mr. Fenner,
<Anthony Calfo with the follow-up>
The tank also counts among its inhabitants a 6 line wrasse. He has
been there about 10 weeks. I have 13 fish total, all quite small, all about 1.75
- 2 inches in length, except for the Mandarin, who is maybe 3 inches, and two (Ptereleotris
zebra) bar gobies who are about 2.5 inches long. 7 damsels, 2 clowns, 3 gobies,
1 wrasse. I have room for more.
<OK>
If you have a "critter eradicator" of choice you would like to see me
try, please let me know.
<A Pseudochromis would work very well>
This coral has suffered enough. It is a beautiful pink/red color,
which is why it occupies the center position in my tank. I'll be
damned if I'm going to lose it to a bunch of micro-shrimp.
<you are very mistaken here Mark. The shrimp (amphipods) are not
carnivorous.. they are merely scavenging the dead and dying tissue... and they
are of tremendous benefit to the tank. People set up refugiums to culture as
many of these micro-crustaceans as possible, and there are businesses dedicated
to farming and selling these creatures to aquarists! Your brain is dying for
another reason and they are just doing their job. Common causes of death with
red open brains include excess light (metal halides over this VERY deep water
coral... sometimes found at 80')... also feeding with chunks of food that are
too large and cause an internal tear (krill, chunk shrimp, etc)... or a complete
lack of feeding (this coral is one of the most food dependant requiring feeding
of 3-5 times weekly, and some need daily. Dude... consider these possibilities
and please enjoy or ignore the natural plankton that you have been blessed with.
They are partly food for your other corals at night!>
Thank you for your assistance. Sincerely,
Mark Schwartz
<best regards, Anthony>
Hurtin' brain - 2/25/03
Hi Gang! <Hi there, Paul here>
I have an open brain coral that has some algae on
the edges of it's skeleton. <What?> Can I scrub this off with a
soft toothbrush? <Is there flesh there?> The edges of the
skeleton are bare, but the middle still expands.<Ahhhhh. I see. Well, a lite
brushing might serve well. Have you checked our FAQs? See here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyphyllidfaqs.htm
and here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyphlliidae.htm
Additionally look at this interesting article as well: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyreproart.htm>
It looks a little rough, but I think with some better care, it will be
beautiful. <Feed it! Mysids and krill (frozen is fine) and keep the water
quality high i.e. water changes> Thanks for any suggestions. <Thank you,
and good luck>
-Becky
LPS alert 2 - 2/8/03
Thanks for the info, Paul. <It is truly my pleasure, Scott> I just
moved the new piece onto the substrate before I checked the email! <Very glad
to here that. Abrasions equal doom for most of the Open Brain species> Your
right I should've done some homework on this type of coral, but, as you said-
it's to cool. < So hard when in store and you see something that is a must
have. Just don't want to have to walk away with the possibility of it not being
there tomorrow. Even with good intentions though, better to give it the best
chance it could have by doing a little research. I applaud the fact that you did
find us and seek our assistance. A first step at research and
responsibility.> I wasn't gonna buy anything, just went to "check"
out the store..& next thing I know I'm taking it outta the store!
<Totally understand, and by the way, that is how I ended working here. One
step at a time, next thing you know your knowledge is being put to the test for
all to see and either benefit from or criticize. Very scary but an honor just
the same! Keep researching and learn all you can, Scott. I applaud your
efforts> Thanks for the info!! <Any
time!>
Scott
Hermit Shell fell inside of Open Brain coral
Anthony and or Crew,
<whassup>
Sorry about using the old e-mail, but I could not get my browser to work for
some reason.
<OK>
I have just started to read "Book of Coral Propagation" and both this
web site, Bob's, and yours books have been very helpful but I have not found
anything about this particular problem. I just noticed after feeding
the fish tonight that a hermit shell is inside of my Rose Brain (Trachyphyllia
geoffroyi),
<Hmmm... minor correction: a Rose Brain is an illegal Atlantic genus of
Manicina... you can a regular Open Brain Coral from Indo likely>
I sure hope the coral had a nice meal?
<agreed... but more like an appetizer>
The hermit crab probably fell from the rock that is close by into the coral if I
take my best guess. My question is should I go ahead an gently try
and remove the shell
<yes please... it could hurt this LPS in time>
or should I let the coral try and push it out?
<perhaps... try fresh figs>
I know Anthony I left the door open on that last part LOL.
<took a soft pass at it <G>>
I have also attached two pictures for your viewing pleasure.
<thanks kindly... it is indeed the deepwater (as red) Open Brain from
Indonesia likely>
Thanks for your help. be Smiling
<will do... I'm gassy>
TTFN Sean
<best regards, Anthony>
Re: Hermit Shell inside of Rose Brain
Thanks Anthony for the reply,
I put the gloves on and was able to remove it without any problems.
<did the coral sing "Lone River"? Reminds me of a scene from
"Fletch".>
You can still tell where the shell was, but everything looks closed up and on
the mend.
<good to hear>
Sorry about the wrong name on the open Brain coral.
<no worries at all... you did use the correct scientific name which is all
that matters!>
I used Julian Sprung's book "Corals a quick reference Guide" to ID
this guy,
<understood... and Julian mentions it as a misnomer. Look on the next page at
the True Rose coral (Manicina)>
It look like a 97% match from the pictures.
<agreed... it is simply a red T. geoffroyi>
The LFS recommended the book, nice coffee table picture book, with some very
abstract and general info on coral husbandry.
<correct... very fine as a quick reference as it was intended. Do consider
Eric Bornemann's Aquarium Corals for a more in depth coverage of corals>
So a deep water Open Brain from Indonesia.
<yes... quite common. Keep on san bottom only... and it needs to feed 3-5
times weekly on very finely minced meats or it will die within a year or 2>
I can't seem to find a match in Sprung's books.
<you were on the right page the first time bud, for Trachyphyllia. See our
coverage here at WetWebMedia on Trachyphyllia too... I have a co-authored
article posted here about your coral budding asexually in an aquarium. Very
cool>
Thanks for the help in correctly IDing this guy. Everyone
who sees the tank always ask what it is, and to think I have been telling them I
have a illegal coral.
<again... not correct bud. Your coral is beautiful, very legal, and rather
common. Retails for $30-50 across the country. It is the Atlantic Manicina that
is protected>
I guess there is more to IDing a coral then a pretty picture. Will
continue to search to properly ID the LPS. Any more
clues would be great? Thanks again for your help.
TTFN, Sean
<best regards, bud. Anthony>
Has He Lost His Brain?
For the last three days my open brain coral hasn't seemed to be
opening up very well. It seems like it has started to reseed on one lobe
of the coral.
Tonight when I got home it had mostly white slime and a little brown slime
oozing off of it. The other 5 lobes seem to be opening up a little bit.
<Sounds like some form of infection. I wonder if it was brought about
by some injury. These corals are often nibbled on by fishes, trampled on
by crabs and shrimp, and sometimes have difficulty removing sand that gets
into them. All of these things can lead to stress, and further decline>
Is there a way to help the coral heal itself? Should I do any dips?
<Well, you could try a 1 to 3 minute freshwater dip>
Can feeding one lobe of a open brain feed the coral as a whole?
<I think that it cannot hurt!>
I think what happened is I didn't have it in enough circulation due to a
slight change in the rock structure. Ever since I moved the rock around it
wasn't happy. I have attached some pictures so you can see the lobe. I
hope you can help me save this coral.
<Well, moderate water flow is desirable for these corals...Too much
flow can damage the tissue and interfere with their natural feeding
processes. I'd try to increase the feeding and see if this brings about a
recovery. Also, make sure that there are not tankmates
"sampling" the coral...Once injured, these corals are almost
"irresistible" to predators. Keep a close eye on your specimen.
If you have further concerns, let us know. I'm sure that Anthony might
have some more ideas if the coral does not seem to be improving. Good
luck!>
Thanks, Ian Roff
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