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Angels Anemones and select Softies, incomp.
3/19/13
Hi Bob and Crew,
<Ad>
Thanks for your responses so far. I love this site! I have a new one for
you now :)
To recap from my previous queries, I have a 500g tank with a lot of
small fish a few tangs and a Bicolor and Flame angel (total of 33 fish).
I also have a LTA hosting 2 Ocellaris and a GSP hosting one Frenatus.
<Yes>
What I am considering doing - moving all my softies to the fuge and
sticking more with a FOWLR setup with anemones (I maintain good reef
level parameters, so hopefully the anemones will be ok).
<Should be in a system this size/volume; as long as they stay put, don't
touch/encounter each other>
With my tank size I figure I can keep more fish varieties in harmony than
smaller tanks. Also getting corals in the part of the world I live in is
quite a challenge. So the only corals I think I'll retain in the DT are
the GSP and mushroom colonies. So far neither of my dwarf angels bother
the LTA. The flame bothers nothing and the Bicolor nips the GSP mat only
when it is closed i.e. dawn.
So what i will be left with is a FOWLR with LTA, GSP and soon to be
added BTAs. I am considering adding either an Imperator/Majestic/Regal
angel to the mix. Do these nip on BTAs?
<Yes; all large angelfish species are known anemone eaters. Clowns may
protect their hosts though>
My dwarfs haven't touched my LTA thus far.
Which one or more of these 3 would you think is most compatible in this
system?
<Mmm, the Imperator is my choice of the three>
Sorry if I bore you with more details than necessary, just want to make
sure I cover everything
Thanks
Aditya
<Welcome. BobF>
Re: Angels Anemones and select Softies 3/19/13
Thanks Bob, quick follow-up question, would a Maroon clown hosting the
BTA be a good pre-emptive measure for an Emperor. Or are all clowns
equally defensive/not about their hosts
Aditya
<See WWM re Premnas... I'd skip. B>
Anemone Question, comp. 3/10/13
Hi guys!
<Gautam>
I've been through your site and understand that there are real
compatibility issues between types of anemones and between anemones and
coral. But here's my question:
I have a RSM130 with 2 Perculas, 1 YWG and 1 six-line
Wrasse (plus CUC -- snails hermit crabs, etc) . Also a bunch of
soft and LPS coral (leathers, mushrooms, frogspawn, Favia, etc). I just
added a couple of 'non-aggressive, reef-safe' anemones -- a maxi-mini
and a Rock Flower anemone.
<Mmm, "reef safe" is a matter of degree here>
They seem to be co-existing with each other and the corals just fine.
Should I anticipate long-term issues?
<Possibly. These Actinarian species aren't particularly given to moving
about (which is good). Hopefully there won't be incidents that trigger
Cnidarian warfare twixt them and other groups here. Bob Fenner>
Gautam Bose
BTA and Sebae, comp. – 12/03/12
Hi WWM,
<Charles>
You guys seem to have all the answers and I trust you over my LFS. I have had a
Sebae in one of my smaller tanks for about 6 months now, it was bleached but is
now a pretty healthy brown and very sticky, i picked up 3 BTA's off eBay and
they were delivered one about a month ago and the other 2 about a week ago, I am
keeping the BTA's in a separate tank that is sharing the same water as the one
with the Sebae and I am a little worried about allelopathy.
<Mmm, not likely an issue here; else you would have observed trouble by now. As
long as these are physically separated, and "not upset" you will likely be fine>
I have set up a separate tank to put the BTA's in but it is still cycling and
wont be ready for another month or so, and I am worried about the possibility of
chemical warfare in the water. I have not seen any reaction on either side but
it worries me they may decide to kill each other.
<Again, not likely>
One of the BTA's is about 8-9 inches across and the others are about 4 or
5, and the sebae is about 6 fully extended. Am I just being paranoid?
<Mmm, no; not as far as I can tell; just cautious, curious. Good traits>
also the BTA's are of differing genotypes what are the risks of them
coming into contact with another?
<If all were captive produced, much less likely there will/would be damage>
I want to house all 4 in the same tank eventually as I have read that
Sebaes tend to plant between the rock and sandbed and bta's climb upwards but
these btas seem to want to stay somewhat under the rocks, I am guessing for them
to get used to the lighting as the one I have had for longer has been 'out and
about' in the light.
<Have seen these Actinarians together (proximal) in the wild and captivity.
It can be done>
On a side note I have 6 ocellaris clowns hosting in them , 4 in with the sebae
and 2 with the BTA's a pair of black and 2 pairs of orange, one of which is
still very young, i.e. half the size of the other four, is there a possibility
of keeping the two mature pairs in the same tank? it is a 35 hex
<Not in this small volume; highly unlikely they can/will coexist. And this is
too small a volume to mix the anemones as well>
that I want to put them into. the black pair gets along fine with the
juvenile oranges, for about 4-6 months now in a 30 gal. Will the black and
orange pairs stay segregated or will they eventually morph into a single
dominant female or kill each other?
<Too likely this latter>
Thanks,
-Charles
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
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Question/s on a reef tank. Anemone incomp.
4/23/12
Hi Crew
<Cam>
Thank you for the opportunity to ask a question. I'll use my best
grown up grammar.
I've got a RSM250 using a Deltec skimmer, CPE, Purigen. I've had this
set up for 14 months. Temp sits around 27-28. Touches close to 29 on
a hot day. NH4 0; NO2 0; NO3 2.5; Mg 1500; Ca 475; Alk 137 (ppm
CaCO3); phosphate 0.34; SG 1.025; Tunze ATO. Using standard T5 tubes
and no extra flow. Fish and invertebrates: yellow tang, flame
Hawkfish, long nose Hawkfish, 2x clown fish (Perc or occ - not too
sure), lawnmower blenny, royal gramma, yellow head goby, fire fish (or
dart fish), 10x Astrea snails, 2x blue legged Hermits, blue Linckia
starfish. Corals: 2x Caulastrea, 2x Euphyllia, lots of mushrooms,
feather dusters, Zoanthids, Palythoas, green star polyps, leathers, 2x
Aiptasia!!! And two anemones.
<A bunch of allelopathy going on>
I use filtered rain water for making salt water and ATO. TDS
measures 0 or 3 on a bad day.
Here in NZ we are very limited to what we can get and then when we get
it it costs ridiculous money (e.g.: $20-$30 for A SINGLE Astrea snail)
<Wow!>
and so often the name of the item is questionable. So if you are a
reefer in NZ you're pretty dedicated ;-)
<I see>
Anyway - first question - What do you think the green anemone is?
<Mmm, likely Heteractis malu:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/anemones.htm
on the basis of the pedicle color, shape, tentacles size, placement>
I thought it was a BTA as it had bubble tips when I got it.
The tentacles are long now. there have been some arguments on a
local forum as to exactly what type of anemone it is. I was
given it by a friend who's one had split. I freaked as my tank
was only about 5 months old but I'm pretty good with water changes
(40l every week or two) and it's grown heaps and as happy as a clam
(well a clam in a well looked after tank...).
<Mmm, very hard to keep different species of Actinarians in close
proximity... in aquariums>
Second question - I got the RBTA 4 months ago. It settled in nicely
and has been growing and growing. About a month ago the green one up
and moved to the other side of the tank. I think it was getting too
big for it's old spot. It moved in right next door to the RBTA -
<Not good>
Arrgh! But they seemed to get on just fine. When they inflated
fully in the morning they were in each others tentacles with no
noticeable stinging. They both got bigger during the day - the
green one would reach the Zoanthids! I'm so sorry if the photos
are coming through sideways - when I click on them they are the right
way around. Maybe they will be the correct way when they get to
the northern hemisphere???
<Heeee!>
Until last week :( The RBTA didn't inflate fully during the day and
looked like this by lunch time :( But at least you can see the
underside of the anemone to help ID...
And then this later one.
It's been sulking like this for over a week now and I'm a little
worried. I've read up on your website about allelopathy.
<Ah yes>
I thought they were both BTA and would be fine together
<Not unless genetically identical... clones; no>
but maybe they are sworn enemies and I need another tank (that would
make my husband happy - sarc).
<I further see>
Another thing that may have upset the RBTA.... I took some water out
of the tank to use else where, the water level dropped a couple of
inches, I turned my ATO off. My husband got up in the morning and saw
the lower water level so turned my ATO on. It immediately dumped 15l
of fresh water into the tank. It was about 3 hours later when I
noticed. The SG had changed to 1.023. I slowly raised it back up
to 1.025 over about 3 hours. The anemone started playing up the
next day. My starfish keeps going to the top of the tank and
doesn't seem too happy.
<"Blue Linckias" are very rarely kept for any period of time in captivity>
I spent a long acclimating him (hours) when I got him 4 months ago and
feel gutted that the sudden change in SG has hurt him.
Also I tested my Alk, Ca and Mg a month ago. They were all low - Alk
97ppm, Ca 350, Mg 1140. I've since bought RSM products and got those
3 balanced.
<Mmm, actually, the previous readings are fine; better than the artificially
elevated ones>
Every thing else in the tank is happy. Even the clowns - they have
just laid their first batch of eggs today!
<Stress-induced... not good>
Thank you again. I hope the cell phone photos are OK for you.
Kindest regards
Camille
NZ
<Well... it appears you know what is going on and what needs to be done...
at least one of the anemones needs to be moved to a different system... as
soon as practical. Bob Fenner>
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two fish dead from same or different issue(s)?
Anemone/"Coral" incomp. 9/25/11
Hello! Thank you for taking a bit of time to read about something that
has been racking my mind this week. My husband and I have recently
gotten back into the hobby after a stressful getting-out-of-the-hobby
experience 2 years ago. The new tank is a small 30 g cube with LED
lights and is 6 months
old.
<Ok; welcome back!>
The inhabitants have been in the tank for 3-4 months and include one
tank bred black clown (a juvenile), one algae blenny (a juvenile)
<Mmm, depending on species the last will require direct feeding in
time... this volume won't produce sufficient foods>
and after lots of research and observation, one scooter blenny that
eats frozen like a champ. Last week we introduced a long tentacle
anemone.
<Mmm, may well eat your blenny and Scooter>
Unfortunately, as the anemone buried its foot it must have caught
itself on a piece of rock-- once we noticed the rip in it's side it
was removed form the tank. The clown never took to the anemone-- she
has a staked out territory in the middle of the tank next to a
frogspawn. This week, the scooter blenny and clown have died.
<... perhaps related to the Anemone, maybe interaction w/...>
The scooter went first-- his body condition seemed nice and fat
including both his head and abdomen. He ate every day until I found him
one afternoon stiff and in the grips of a hermit crab. I found this
particularly
upsetting since I have made every attempt possible to ensure he ate his
frozen everyday (and he did), while also including adding bottled
copepods for his grazing pleasure. He wasn't going to starve on my
time. We immediately did param checks and nothing out of the ordinary
was seen (nitrite and nitrate
0, ammonia 0, ph normal *sorry, I don't remember this one
exactly*,
salinity 1.021-1.022, temp 80) .
<Mmm, fine for the fishes listed; not so for the Euphyllia or
anemone>
Not soon after the clown started acting "funny". She moved
out of her normal territory and started exploring new areas of the
tank, and stopped being as aggressive as before (she was a hermit crab
bully and a finger biter). We had changed the flow of the tank to help
accommodate the new anemone (the flow changes from one side to the
other via a computer controlled valve on a regular interval) and we had
originally blamed her new behavior on the new flow pattern. After a few
days, the clown moved to a
hollow in the sand and was having what seemed like little clown
seizures-
<Good descriptions of bad behavior>
she would swim fast and erratically but without purpose. A white gooey
substance started to cover her body. I did not want to stress her
further since we had our hands in the tank quite a bit during the
anemone issues so we did not remove her. She never showed symptoms of
breathing quickly, but she did lie in the sand and became lethargic and
died shortly afterward.
The gooey white slim was at its peak at this time. From what I can
tell, her demise sounds like Brooklynella
<Mmm, highly unlikely... timing-wise and the fact that the fish was
(stated) tank-bred>
but it would not explain the scooter blenny's death. He had none of
these symptoms. (erg) Note of interest: this summer we were having
issues with the tank creeping up to 85 degrees.
<Do leave the light/s off during very hot days>
Now that the weather has cooled off, the tank is stabilized at 79-81. I
understand that Brooklynella does not enjoy a warmer environment---
would this have held a current infection at bay while she seemed
fine?
<This wasn't "Brook">
Otherwise, is this a disease that would have hitchhiked on the
anemone?
<It was in part the anemone>
Corals have been added to the tank gradually, but there was at least 45
days between the last coral and the anemone. No new fish or crabs have
been added in 3 months.
<Good data reporting>
The remaining fish in the tank is the algae blenny. I would have chosen
him to be the most susceptible to disease since the first week we had
him he took a trip over the overflow, down to the sump and on to and
under the filter pad. I went to retrieve the "dead" fish when
I realized where the new fish I had just bought had gone only to find a
ZOMBIE fish under the filter pad. He lost his fuzzy eyebrows in the
process and is no longer sociable.
He hides when anyone is near the tank and makes observing feeding
habits a little difficult since he won't come out to eat if he can
see you. His belly is always round and fat, so I believe he is eating
well but it is much harder to observe him.
<Will become more outgoing w/ time>
My concerns are: Will my algae blenny be able to fight these issues
off?
<It should now that the anemone has been removed>
Will he play host to any parasites/fungus even if he isn't
affected?
<Not an issue>
What can I do to increase his chance of survival?
<Mmm, read/understand what has gone on here. VERY likely what your
system experienced was a situation of "warfare"/allelopathy
twixt the newly introduced anemone and the extant
Cnidarians/"Corals"... the unwitting non-combatants, your
fishes, suffering for being caught in "cross fire">
If he does die ---or---- does not die, how long should I wait until
adding a new clown?
<A few weeks>
This is one of the most important questions I have, I do everything
possible to ensure the living creatures I have are not unnecessarily
put in harms way: If the scooter blenny can host the disease, but not
be affected, can this be transferred to any new inhabitants or will the
disease die off?
<The root cause/issue here was environmental; I am almost certain of
it...
With understanding of stocking technique... placing small colonies only
of Cnidarians, less stinging-chemically active ahead of more so...
mixing water twixt the established system and the one you're
isolating the new in... You should be fine. IMPORTANT that you read,
comprehend what is posted here: http://wetwebmedia.com/CorlCompArt.htm
or the .ppt version, or here: http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm
I have read a minimum of 40 days so the disease can die off (I am 100%
fine with this), but am unsure if it is ok to add new coral to the tank
during this time. I would like to introduce a tank propagated rose
anemone before adding a new clown.
Whew... ok... well that's all the questions I have for now. Thanks
for your input!!!!!!
Cassandra
<Thank you for writing so well and completely. A pleasure to deal w/
folks who are concerned and intelligent. Bob Fenner>
Please Help! Marine aquarium crises! Anemone et al.
mis-mixing, poisoning... 9/20/22
Hello my name is Cara and I have a 75 gallon marine aquarium. My
fiancé and I started the aquarium about 3 months ago with a
few rocks and a strawberry hermit crab. We initially used a freshwater
hang on the back carbon filter.
After about 2 months we added our first anemone (a curlicue).
<Anemones are not "beginning hobbyist" animals...
difficult to keep in most cases, problematical companions w/ most all
tankmates>
We added some blue legs as well. About every week or so we added a
Condy until we had a total of 6 condys.
<Yeeikes... and a bad idea to mix anemones>
The aquarium was doing very well and I tested the ammonia and nitrate
levels every week. Both were zero. About a week ago we added a sebae
anemone and a bubble tip,
<Aye yi yi>
a maroon clown and a sebae clown. We also added 2 baby grunts (about 2
inches in size) and a 2 inch pork fish (Not all in the same day). We
removed a couple of Condy's too. Everything continued to be fine
until about a week ago when we set up a sump with some sand from our
front yard.
(We live on the ocean in Islamorada - Florida Keys).
<Ahh, nice! Have been there>
I am starting to wonder if this was actually imported sand and not live
sand. Anyway it did have a strong sulfur odor, so we rinsed it several
times before we put it into the sump. We used PVC piping to siphon the
water into the sump and rubber tubing to push the water through a
protein skimmer before it returns to the tank. PVC cement was used to
glue some of the pieces together, could this be toxic if not completely
dry?
<Yes, can be till cured>
About 3 days passed and our sebae anemone was attacked in the night
with its sebae clown inside. The clown jumped out of the aquarium and
the sebae anemone was almost torn in half. My fiancé was
able to resuscitate the clownfish, but he died later that day. We fed
his corpse to 2 different Condy anemones. The sebae anemone continued
to look worse, so my fiancé smelled him and examined him and
he appeared to be rotting. He took him out of the aquarium and put him
into a cup of salt water, but he did not make
it. We added a pacific carpet anemone this same day.
<Ahh my friend... giant trouble>
About 2 days later he changed a couple of the pieces on the piping to
brass pieces,
<Heeeee! Really? You're pulling olde Bob the Fishman's
fins... Brass is an alloy containing copper... toxic>
so he could control the water flow better. he also did a 15% water
change. The next day we added another pacific carpet anemone and 2
ocellaris clownfish.
<...>
The aquarium began to degrade rapidly a couple hours later, so we
immediately started to do research.
<Oh!>
The ammonia level was up to 1.5ppm and the nitrate 15ppm. I researched
many different things : copper toxicity, hydrogen sulfide, ammonia and
nitrate.
<Add general anemone/Actinarian husbandry, stocking/compatibility to
your list>
I am not sure whether the copper had an effect or not, since it had not
been attached for that long. We turned it off anyway, just to be on the
safe side and went back to using the freshwater filter. We did another
15% water change yesterday morning and then another 25% last night. The
ammonia level has been steady at 1ppm and the nitrate is down to 2ppm.
The new carpet still appears to be dying (his mouth/insides are popping
out and he is squirting cloudy stuff). All of the other anemones look a
lot better than they did when the problem began. When the problem
started they were all curled up inside themselves. From the research we
found out they were trying to adapt to the water changes.
<Uhh... and each other. Won't happen>
Now they are open and flailing their tentacles about again. The carpet
is open and being a host to the two ocellaris clowns. The bubble tip
anemones also died yesterday, so they were taken out before they
started to decay.
All of the fish are doing fine and even ate some food this morning.
Whatever the problem is, it seems to be affecting the invertebrates and
anemones more than anything else. All of our pencil corals, tube corals
and polyps were also sucked in,
<... allelopathy, poisoning>
but are starting to come back out now. The water changes seem to be
helping a lot. We did another 20% this morning. Ammonia is still 1ppm,
however. It has been recommended that we get our sump up and running
ASAP with the protein skimmer, but NO SAND. I figured I would just
throw some Caulerpa in there to help absorb nitrates and that is it for
now. Do think this is the right thing to do?
<Will help, but won't save the mis-mix here>
Also, if you could tell me if you have any idea at all what may have
happened and if there is anything more we can do please let me know.
Please get back to me as soon as you can. This could be life or death
for my aquarium :( Thanks in advance. I don't know if you guys make
phone calls but my phone number is 305-619-XXXX, just in case.
Cara
<Read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/AnemCompF3.htm
and the linked files above. You need to re-think your mis-mixing
here...
and quick. Bob Fenner>
Re: Please Help! Marine aquarium crises! - 9/20/11
I understand what you are saying about the mis-mixing, but what I
don't understand is, if the anemones are not touching each other
how is there a problem?
<They interact chemically and from bits released... from
afar>
Do they release toxins into the water that harm each other or
something?
<Ah yes>
Also, we never had any problems at all until we mixed pacific anemones
with Atlantic anemones.
<You would have had troubles in time>
I have heard of people having issues with Condy's traveling all the
way across their tanks and causing issues, but ours never did any of
these things. We had them spread out so they would not sting each other
and they were all very healthy. Like I said we didn't have problems
until we added the pacific anemones. I really think something else
occurred here other than the mis-mix. Any ideas?
<... yes. See the previous email and citations/links. BobF>
Re: Please Help! Marine aquarium crises! - 9/20/11
Thanks for your help, it is much appreciated. After reading all about
allelopathy, I understand much better now what occurred.
<Ah good>
Unfortunately, the aquarium store will not take back our carpet
anemone.
We caught all of the condys and curlicue ourselves, so if worse comes
to worse, we will have to get rid of them :( Actually, the curlicue was
on the verge of death this morning, so I got rid of him immediately.
Also, if you don't mind a couple more questions, how come the fish
were not affected by this allelopathy?
<They very likely would be in time, but much of the
"purpose" of these types of warfare are for "turf"
twixt closely related species/families/orders of organisms>
Obviously the clowns would be more tolerant,
<Ahh!>
but I would think the grunts and Porkfish would have been poisoned as
well, yet they showed no signs at all. My other question is, would
there normally be a problem between the anemones and
polyps/Zoanthids/corals, other than the anemone crawling across the
tank and directly stinging them?
<If they came in contact, yes... and chemically in our small
systems, ultimately yes>
Thanks again!
Cara
<Welcome. BobF>
Please Help! Marine aquarium crises! Anemone et al.
mis-mixing, poisoning... 9/20/22
Hello my name is Cara and I have a 75 gallon marine aquarium. My
fiancé and I started the aquarium about 3 months ago with a
few rocks and a strawberry hermit crab. We initially used a freshwater
hang on the back carbon filter.
After about 2 months we added our first anemone (a curlicue).
<Anemones are not "beginning hobbyist" animals...
difficult to keep in most cases, problematical companions w/ most all
tankmates>
We added some blue legs as well. About every week or so we added a
Condy until we had a total of 6 condys.
<Yeeikes... and a bad idea to mix anemones>
The aquarium was doing very well and I tested the ammonia and nitrate
levels every week. Both were zero. About a week ago we added a sebae
anemone and a bubble tip,
<Aye yi yi>
a maroon clown and a sebae clown. We also added 2 baby grunts (about 2
inches in size) and a 2 inch pork fish (Not all in the same day). We
removed a couple of Condy's too. Everything continued to be fine
until about a week ago when we set up a sump with some sand from our
front yard.
(We live on the ocean in Islamorada - Florida Keys).
<Ahh, nice! Have been there>
I am starting to wonder if this was actually imported sand and not live
sand. Anyway it did have a strong sulfur odor, so we rinsed it several
times before we put it into the sump. We used PVC piping to siphon the
water into the sump and rubber tubing to push the water through a
protein skimmer before it returns to the tank. PVC cement was used to
glue some of the pieces together, could this be toxic if not completely
dry?
<Yes, can be till cured>
About 3 days passed and our sebae anemone was attacked in the night
with its sebae clown inside. The clown jumped out of the aquarium and
the sebae anemone was almost torn in half. My fiancé was
able to resuscitate the clownfish, but he died later that day. We fed
his corpse to 2 different Condy anemones. The sebae anemone continued
to look worse, so my fiancé smelled him and examined him and
he appeared to be rotting. He took him out of the aquarium and put him
into a cup of salt water, but he did not make
it. We added a pacific carpet anemone this same day.
<Ahh my friend... giant trouble>
About 2 days later he changed a couple of the pieces on the piping to
brass pieces,
<Heeeee! Really? You're pulling olde Bob the Fishman's
fins... Brass is an alloy containing copper... toxic>
so he could control the water flow better. he also did a 15% water
change. The next day we added another pacific carpet anemone and 2
ocellaris clownfish.
<...>
The aquarium began to degrade rapidly a couple hours later, so we
immediately started to do research.
<Oh!>
The ammonia level was up to 1.5ppm and the nitrate 15ppm. I researched
many different things : copper toxicity, hydrogen sulfide, ammonia and
nitrate.
<Add general anemone/Actinarian husbandry, stocking/compatibility to
your list>
I am not sure whether the copper had an effect or not, since it had not
been attached for that long. We turned it off anyway, just to be on the
safe side and went back to using the freshwater filter. We did another
15% water change yesterday morning and then another 25% last night. The
ammonia level has been steady at 1ppm and the nitrate is down to 2ppm.
The new carpet still appears to be dying (his mouth/insides are popping
out and he is squirting cloudy stuff). All of the other anemones look a
lot better than they did when the problem began. When the problem
started they were all curled up inside themselves. From the research we
found out they were trying to adapt to the water changes.
<Uhh... and each other. Won't happen>
Now they are open and flailing their tentacles about again. The carpet
is open and being a host to the two ocellaris clowns. The bubble tip
anemones also died yesterday, so they were taken out before they
started to decay.
All of the fish are doing fine and even ate some food this morning.
Whatever the problem is, it seems to be affecting the invertebrates and
anemones more than anything else. All of our pencil corals, tube corals
and polyps were also sucked in,
<... allelopathy, poisoning>
but are starting to come back out now. The water changes seem to be
helping a lot. We did another 20% this morning. Ammonia is still 1ppm,
however. It has been recommended that we get our sump up and running
ASAP with the protein skimmer, but NO SAND. I figured I would just
throw some Caulerpa in there to help absorb nitrates and that is it for
now. Do think this is the right thing to do?
<Will help, but won't save the mis-mix here>
Also, if you could tell me if you have any idea at all what may have
happened and if there is anything more we can do please let me know.
Please get back to me as soon as you can. This could be life or death
for my aquarium :( Thanks in advance. I don't know if you guys make
phone calls but my phone number is 305-619-XXXX, just in case.
Cara
<Read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/AnemCompF3.htm
and the linked files above. You need to re-think your mis-mixing
here...
and quick. Bob Fenner>
Re: Please Help! Marine aquarium crises! - 9/20/11
I understand what you are saying about the mis-mixing, but what I
don't understand is, if the anemones are not touching each other
how is there a problem?
<They interact chemically and from bits released... from
afar>
Do they release toxins into the water that harm each other or
something?
<Ah yes>
Also, we never had any problems at all until we mixed pacific anemones
with Atlantic anemones.
<You would have had troubles in time>
I have heard of people having issues with Condy's traveling all the
way across their tanks and causing issues, but ours never did any of
these things. We had them spread out so they would not sting each other
and they were all very healthy. Like I said we didn't have problems
until we added the pacific anemones. I really think something else
occurred here other than the mis-mix. Any ideas?
<... yes. See the previous email and citations/links. BobF>
Re: Please Help! Marine aquarium crises! - 9/20/11
Thanks for your help, it is much appreciated. After reading all about
allelopathy, I understand much better now what occurred.
<Ah good>
Unfortunately, the aquarium store will not take back our carpet
anemone.
We caught all of the condys and curlicue ourselves, so if worse comes
to worse, we will have to get rid of them :( Actually, the curlicue was
on the verge of death this morning, so I got rid of him immediately.
Also, if you don't mind a couple more questions, how come the fish
were not affected by this allelopathy?
<They very likely would be in time, but much of the
"purpose" of these types of warfare are for "turf"
twixt closely related species/families/orders of organisms>
Obviously the clowns would be more tolerant,
<Ahh!>
but I would think the grunts and Porkfish would have been poisoned as
well, yet they showed no signs at all. My other question is, would
there normally be a problem between the anemones and
polyps/Zoanthids/corals, other than the anemone crawling across the
tank and directly stinging them?
<If they came in contact, yes... and chemically in our small
systems, ultimately yes>
Thanks again!
Cara
<Welcome. BobF>
All fish Under Stress -
Anemone?/Macrodactyla doreensis/Compatibility 7/20/11
<<RMF>>
<Hello Aaron>
I recently acquired a small "long tentacle" anemone about
4" across when fully open. My clown immediately hosted in it. This
morning I found a XL chromis and a Domino Damsel stuck in the anemone
both dead. The chromis was partly digested. When I got home from work,
my Yellow Tang was also stuck in the anemone and all the rest of the
fish are breathing hard, staying towards the bottom and appear to be
near death. What could be causing this?
<This is exactly why keeping fish other than anemone hosting species
is not a good idea.>
are the anemone's digestive juices poisoning the other fish?
<Unlikely, my guess is the stressed fish got a poke.><<Or
also too likely, there is a dire battle going on twixt the Actinarian
and "corals"... Need to be acclimated to each other... gone
over on WWM. RMF>>
The odds of an anemone catching 3 fish in the same day seem pretty
low.
<Can, depending on tank size which you did not mention.>
The water quality is good and all corals and inverts are open and doing
well.
<If the anemone decides to move, your corals will also be in
danger.>
Any clues?
<Do an ammonia test and act if necessary. Bob may comment here as
well.><<Return or separate this Anemone. RMF>>
Course of action?
<Best to keep anemones and clownfish in their own aquarium. I
suggest taking the anemone back if possible, or find a new home for
it.>
Much appreciated
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Aaron
More: re: All fish under stress - anemone? 7/20/11
Thanks for your input, Bob.
James
<Glad to be of assistance. B>
Re All fish Under Stress - Anemone?/Macrodactyla
doreensis/Compatibility 7/20/11 <<RMF>>
Thanks.
<You're welcome.>
Its a 75 gallon tank. I've had anemones before without any issues
but this one did position itself in the entrance to a cave the fish
like to swim through.
<Is the risk you take. I've been down that road in the past and
have lost fish to anemones.>
No ammonia. In the last 24 hours I've lost three 8 year old fish
including a Yellow Tang and my original damsel from the cruel cycling
process. (Btw Ill never cycle that way again and go a more humane
route.)
<Have you read the dailies on our site today? Bob added his comments
to this as well but he likely sent them along to you.
James (Salty Dog)><<Yes, I did/do. RMF>>
Bubble Tip Decimated by Hermit Crabs
6/8/11
Good evening,
<Laura>
This past year, I have searched topics that have come up while learning
about the care of my saltwater inhabitants and have always come back to
your articles.
This time, I have an issue I'm hoping you can help me with.
<Let's see>
I purchased a beautiful Rose Bubble Tip Anemone that arrived
yesterday.
Was doing well, acclimating fine. Today, I came home from dinner to see
three hermit crabs feasting on it. Most of the bubbles are gone but it
is still alive.
Is there any chance of this anemone surviving and what can I do to
help?
<There is always a possibility... Have seen this tissue grade life
"resurrected" w/ little left. I would treat w/ an iodide/ate
compound to high concentration>
Respectfully,
Laura
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Condylactis and its clown. Anemone spp. incomp.
3/8/11
I have a pink Condy that for months has had a percula pair using it as
a host. Everyone is thriving and doing well but just recently the Condy
is starting to move around a lot, is this because its trying to get
away from the clown pair?
<Possibly... or could be "looking" for more suitable
setting... current, light, foods...>
I haven't changed any lighting in my tank and all parameters are
fine. Only new thing is that we recently added a sebae anemone...
<Oh!>
will the Condy try to attack the sebae?
<Likely they are warring... Read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/CnidIndex2.htm
scroll down to the FAQs files on Anemone Compatibility. Bob
Fenner>
Snail Stuck To The Bottom Of Anemone
2/22/11
<Hello Peanut Butter>
We brought home a long tentacle anemone yesterday and placed him on the
sand in the front of our tank since then he has started to move toward
our live rock but I noticed this afternoon that one of our turbo snails
is stuck to the bottom of his foot. I searched online but can't
find anything about this. Should I try removing the snail if so
what's the best way to this without harming the anemone.
<I'd try massaging the area in question with your finger tip
until you can remove the snail. James (Salty Dog)>
Sudden Cloudy water! Worried for whole setup : \
1/21/11
Dear WWM crew,
I haven't done tests yet, will do after I send this. Everything was
fine last week. Just got a brand new pink tip anemone.
<... A Condylactis sp.?>
First, I didn't think that clownfish would reside in this, and the
owner of the store told us it would,
<Even from different oceans, sometimes they do>
so of course my husband wanted it.... Pretty sure we were lied to, but
we shall see. Secondly - the problem is that the water had gone cloudy.
I'm talking, like I acclimated the anemone over the course of
2hrs, didn't use drip method, but I use a turkey baster (fish tank
only turkey baster) and add about an ounce of water every 15 or so
minutes. He did fine, looked awesome when he was added to the tank
(this was last night).
This morning, he was stretched out, looking good, turned the lights on
and he turned towards it a bit... All is still good. Lunch time, my
husband and I went out for lunch, took approx. an hour. came home to
cloudy water. I KNOW that it wasn't cloudy before we left - but man
that's quick! Also, all fish are looking fine (2 clowns, 3 mollies,
4 chromis, 1 green mandarin, 1 bicolor Dottyback, 1 cleaner shrimp, 3
small hermit crabs, 1 brittle star, and a few baby snails, and a small
hammerhead coral.... I think that's
it).
<Mmm, highly likely there is something of a tussle going on twixt
your new Anemone and the Euphyllia...>
Our setup is one 55 gallons tank and one 20 gallon tank, both
overflowing to a sump below. Total, we have close to 90 gallons
running, cycling throughout. What could be the cause of this awful
cloudiness? What do I need to do to fix this?
<The above... and removing the Anemone to a separate system
pronto... there are other precautions you could/should take.
Stat!>
We have never seen this problem and our water has been crystal clear,
my husband and I were just remarking about it how clean and clear it
looked last night. OOO, also, the anemone, as of right now, has started
to close up. Like it's deflating and starting to hide within its
body sort of. I'm very concerned for all of our life forms.
<I am as well>
Let me know if you have questions I hopefully can answer.
Thank you for you time,
Alicia
<Mmm, please go here: http://wetwebmedia.com/Googlesearch.htm
insert the words:
Anemone Allelopathy
and read the cached views. Soon. Bob Fenner>
mini carpet anemone and large green bubble tip anemone
1/13/11
Hey, you guys have always been very helpful with your advice so I come
to you with yet another question. A friend of mine said that I would be
able to have a mini carpet anemone live peacefully with my large bubble
tip anemone in my 55 gallon tank..
<Nope>
if you could please give me your opinion on this that would be great as
the last thing I want is to go ahead and put one in with my BTA and
have one or both of them killed or have them kill off my corals. I
currently have 45lbs of live rock, 25 hermits, 16 snails, 2 cleaner
shrimp, 1 peppermint shrimp, a cleaner wrasse and large Allards
clownfish, a decent amount of pulsing xenia, some candy cane coral,
some brown polyps, 3 blue mushrooms, a Kenya tree, and a grassy type
coral (not sure what type), and of course my lovely large green BTA. I
just need to be sure that all of these will be safe if I introduce a
mini carpet anemone. Hope to hear back soon.
Christina
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Re: mini carpet anemone and large green bubble tip anemone
1/13/11
That's what I thought thank you for confirming have a great
day!
<And you, B>
Re: Upgrading Tanks; and anemone comp., test kit
grade/SW 10/18/10
Thank You for the quick response. I do have a couple of questions. I
read that a Bubble Tip anemone *can* get along
fine with a Sebae anemone.
<Can... have photographed them in the wild, contiguous>
Mine do well. I got the Bubble Tip prior to discovering WWM or I would
have forgone that acquisition. I have tried to get the Bubble Tip out,
after reading that there can be a problem, unsuccessfully.
You showed doubt in my Phosphate readings, something to do with my
stinging-celled life. I truly get 0 phosphates when I check them
weekly.
<Assuredly, the measure is less than 0., perhaps less than 0.0...
but not altogether absent>
My Nitrates never get to 20. I either misunderstood your reasoning or
my test kit is not very good.
<Likely the test kit precision to significant figures>
I guess I am unclear on what you wrote.
<And I apologize for not being clear/er>
If my test kits are not accurate then I should purchase a better
brand.
<Mmm, not really. I suspect your kit/s is/are fine for what you have
in mind>
I am using API.
<Not the best, but passable for most aquarists' use>
Thank you for the link. Most times I find what I am looking for. I no
longer purchase anything of importance without referring to WWM. Thank
you for this awesome site.
<Certainly welcome John/Tracey. BobF>
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What is the Ball of slimy stuff from the Anemone --
06/09/10
Hi
<Howsit?>
I have had 2 anemones for quite some time now.
One of them is a Yellow Sebae Anemone
<Dyed>
and he is doing quite well. I had once read a post on your site
about dyed anemones and I was very worried until
the LFS said that he does not get any of that stuff.
<Mmm, well, someone snuck one in while no one in charge was
watching then... This animal is artificially colored>
. (I hope you can confirm that it is not one of those dyed
anemones - the color is a little too bright as I am taking this
pics from my camcorder... it is a tad lighter than what you
see.)
<Thank you for this>
The other is a tube anemone.
<Cerianthus sp.?... incompatible with most captive marine
life... Oh! The other anemone shown is not a Tube...>
He seems to be doing fine .. eats cut shrimp that I give him but
the only thing I don't understand is the huge blob of slimy
stuff he keeps ejecting from his mouth/anus.
<A "fecal pellet"...>
I have removed it and sometimes it looked like it was green eggs
in slime.. it got me really confused.. never the less I threw it
out. After he ejects the stuff he seems fine and sways around
well and eats again and then tonight it has started to eject more
of this stuff.. but this time it looks worse like someone has
removed the intestines from an animal inside out.
Also he has shrunk like crazy...
<Is "anybody" missing?>
I might be exaggerating with this stuff for all I know it is a
huge chunk of waste.. but I have never seen anemones eject so
much waste.
<Can, do>
I have enclosed pics of the anemones that I have. Hopefully it
will explain better what I am trying to say.
BTW do you have a specific page about Anemone selection and
care.
<Oh yes... here: http://wetwebmedia.com/CnidIndex2.htm
scroll down...>
Thanks a lot for your help .
I really appreciate your website as it helps me a lot.
Joanna
<Good. Bob Fenner>
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Re: What is the Ball of slimy stuff from the
Anemone... using WWM -- 06/10/10
Hi Bob,
<Joanna>
I appreciate you replying back.
<Certainly welcome>
It is very sad to know that my sebae anemone is dyed. I
also so foolish to have falling for the LFS's marketing
tactics.
<Happens... to folks/consumers, as well as earnest,
otherwise honest r/etailers>
He seems healthy right now, except when he deflates to
poop. (That is normal is it not.)
<Is not abnormal>
Do tell me what care I should take to ensure that the
anemone is not hurting.
<... read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/heteraccrispa.htm
and the linked files above>
I know some people may say.. Just don't buy dyed
anemones.. but I have learnt my lesson and I seriously was
not aware about dyed anemones.
<Please read here re: http://wetwebmedia.com/coloredanemones.htm
and the linked FAQs file above. They can recover... lose
the dye in time, reincorporate Zooxanthellae from
others...>
Once again thanks to your website I have understood that
topic also. I will surely give the LFS a good peace of my
mine.. now that it is a little wise
<You are welcome to refer them to me>
Now to the very very sad reality .. The Cerianthus sp as
you mentioned seems to be dying after ejecting more huge
balls of fecal pellets.
<Mmm, ... anemones aren't generally compatible with
other species... the one is being killed here by
t'other... Read: http://wetwebmedia.com/anemcompfaqs.htm
and...>
I think there is now <no, and no, tis poss.> way to
save him right now
<Needs to be in a separate system...>
but I am enclosing pics so that other people can related to
these questions visually and identify if they have the same
issues.
<I/we have responded to sufficient numbers of folks that
have made this error as you'll see. Become a good
consumer, steward of our planet and study ahead of
"buying" life>
I have included pics what he was and what he became.
He is totally deflated for a whole day now with some very
occasional tentacle movement.
I am interested in keeping some shrimp.. Along with a Blue
Damsels / Sebae Anemone / Clarkii clowns and a Snail. Which
one would you suggest.
<That you read>
Lastly I would like to know how to make a good wet dry
filter with built in sump and skimmer.
<Oh?>
I also wanted to know about the various types of media that
are used in filtration. Specially about the different types
of filter sponges. I am told that different ones do
different jobs.
<... this, these issues/questions are all
answered/archived on WWM... there are some 30-40,000 people
(unique ISPs) who use this resource per day... Do learn
to/use the search tool, indices...>
Do suggest some good books that give all information on
known marine species for aquariums. I have been searching
for some good books for quite some time now.
<Oh, there are a few mentioned here... in
bibliographies, articles on the topic>
Thanks for all your help bob..
Joanna
<Welcome. BobF>
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