BGA Battles 9/10/08
Good afternoon crew.? Hope you all are doing well and having a good day.
<I am here, thank you.>
I've tried to do as much reading on your site as I can and I was hoping not have to ask your help on this occasion, but…. I have been battling a Cyano outbreak in my 36 gal reef tank for about a month now and it's starting to wear me down.
<Yep, the stuff stinks.>
I have read Mr. Fenner's article on BGA/Cyano control and a number of the FAQs and maybe I'm missing something, so I'm hoping you can give me some guidance.
<OK>
I'll try to give you a quick rundown on my tank and husbandry practices… 36 gallon bow, it has been running for a little over a year now. ? 50 lbs of LR, 1" sand base, Aquaclear 50 running a sponge and Chemipure, CPR BakPak Skimmer, 2 Koralia Nanos for circulation (260 gph ea) 130 watts PC lighting (65 watt 10K and 65 watt actinic) 11 hour photo period (both bulbs have been changed within the last 3 months) ph 8.1 to 8.3, SG 1.025, temp 77.5 to 78.5 F ? Ammonia, Nitrite 0 (undetectable); Nitrate 5-10 (kinda hard to tell with the color chips in my API test kit) ? Phosphate 0 (undetectable), Alk ~9. Ca ~360 ? I do a 6 gallon water change every 7 to 10 days, using DI water (Tap Water Filter) and Instant Ocean reef crystals mixed 48 hrs before hand and circulated and aerated during that time. Filter and skimmer cleaned at the same time I do my water change. ? I don't use any additives. ? Livestock is 1 percula clown, 1 filamented flasher wrasse, 2 green chromis, 1 cleaner shrimp, 1 blue leg hermit, several snails. Also, 3 medium mushroom colonies, 1 toadstool leather, and a crop of pom-pom xenia (that wants to take over my tank). I feed the fish once a day alternating flake and frozen foods by Ocean Nutrition and Spectrum. ? All fish and softies look great! ? So what am I missing here? When I do my water changes I vacuum as much of the BGA of my LR as I can get. I use a sponge to wipe it off the glass and rinse prior to putting the sponge back in the tank. It seems confined to one area of the tank, so I've tried redirecting my Koralias to get more flow into that area. No luck… the battle goes on! ? Thanks for your patience and time to read this. If you have any suggestions or can suggest additional reading it would be greatly appreciated.
<Well the two things that stick out to me as a place to start are the filter and the feeding of course. The mechanical filtration (sponge) will need to be cleaned very frequently, the more obsessive the better. As for the feeding, only once a day is nice re the BGA. The thing to make sure is that it all is eaten, not blown all over the tank. This is particularly true with the frozen foods. It is all too easy to throw a cube in the water and just feed once a day while grossly polluting a tank. I have two friends, each on the opposite end. One feeds once a day, 40 gal tank, typically just throwing in two frozen cubes. Everything just blows around in the flow. The other feeds several times a day. He thaws the food (sometimes mixing with flakes or pellets), draining off all the liquid. Then he mixes it with a tiny bit of tank water in the cup and drops it back in the tank a bit at a time using an eye dropper. This is only one feeding, but it takes several minutes. It does ensure that the food is eaten as it is added. Other than that you may want to double up on the water changes (more frequent) until the BGA is under control. Water changes in smaller systems is fairly cheap, not too much trouble and can pay big dividends in such battles.>
Please keep up the great work. IMO WWM is an invaluable resource. <Will do, thank you.>? ?
Thanks,
Mike
<Welcome, Scott V.>

Re: BGA Battles 9/12/08
Scott,
Thanks for the reply.
<Happy to help.>
I'll try stepping up the frequency of water changes and see if that helps.
<Many times the best option in a system this size.>
I've been in and out of the hobby (the out times have been the result of having to relocate) since the early 90's and have never had a BGA problem like this, just lucky I guess!
<We all have good/bad times!>
I am very careful about feeding. I usually put small amounts of food in at a time and do drain the liquid from my frozen foods, then rinse with a little tank water. I've found that by putting small amounts in at a time, what is put in, is more likely to be eaten, it also give me a good opportunity
to observe my fish up close on a daily basis and make sure all is well.
<Sounds like a good practice.>
Thanks again for the advice.
Best regards,
Mike
<Welcome, Scott V.>

2 quick questions... HQI lamp sel., Cyano consumers...  08/06/2008
Guys,
<<And Gals I hope...Andrew with you today>>
Thanks for all the help in the past with my questions. I was wondering what brand of HQI 250W 14K bulbs you recommend?
<<Regarding recommended HQI bulbs, a few good brands are Current USA, BlueLine and Iwasaki>>
Are there better ones that last longer or you think are better.
<<All the above mentioned manufactured bulbs I would happily recommend>>
And...........what, if any type of clean-up crew (crabs, snails) eat Cyanobacteria?
<<using a cleanup crew to tackle Cyano is not overly the best solution. All you would be doing in a control exercise, not a correcting one. Cyano needs light and nutrients to grow, also, come consider low flow a partial cause for Cyano. Fixing this at the root cause is your best option, and syphoning the Cyano out in the meantime while dealing with it. Please do read more on the bacteria and its methods of removal. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bluegralgae.htm >>
Thanks, Jeromy
<<Thanks for the questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>>

BGA 7/29/08
I have a 110 gallon reef tank. I have an algae/bacteria problem. It's not red slime, it grows on the glass and around the circulation pumps mostly at the top. It is golden brown in color and has bubbles in it.
<Sounds like BGA.>
I tried raising the alkalinity which didn't work and stopped doing water changes while it runs its course.
<Keep up with the water changes, do not stop.>
I can't stand to watch this keep spreading so I did a water change that didn't help at all.
<It will take a series, along with finding the reason for the bloom in the first place, it takes time.>
I would really like to get rid of this problem, do you have any suggestions on how I can get rid of this?
<Many, all can be found at http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bluegralgae.htm at above linked FAQs.>
Jimmy
<Scott V.>

Dusting on my sandbed
BGA? 7/17/08
Morning crew,
<Hello.>
I have a question regarding a dusting that has started appearing on my sandbed. When I first saw it I thought it may be red slime algae aka
Cyanobacteria (not sure of spelling). Anyhow, I performed some tests to see where my params where.
Nitrates 0-5ppm
Salinity 1.023sg
Ammonia 0
Nitrites 0
Alkalinity 7dh
Ph 8
My parameters looked fine so I figured maybe it was a flow issue but I have a 90 gallon tank with 2 1200gph powerheads not to mention the return pump from the sump that adds even more flow per hour on top of the powerheads.
<Your water tests can be deceiving if the BGA is using up nutrients keeping your tested levels low. I would raise your salinity to 1.025 and possibly the KH a degree or two to give the competing algae (coralline) an helping hand. In regards to flow, it sounds like you have plenty, just be sure it is directed in a way to prevent dead spots that become detritus sinks.>
In the past, I have seen red slime algae and it looked like a maroon color. Today I saw red slime algae in a friends tank at it's beginning
stages an it was bright red (never seen that before) and my tank most definitely didn't go thru any of that. The dusting on my sandbed is a
deep purple similar to that of coral line but different.
<BGA has many forms and colors.>
From my experience I have never seen coral line grow on a sandbed so this is why I thought red algae but this doesn't have the colors of
red algae. I have also started to get a nice coral lone algae spurt growing all over my overflow box and powerheads.
<Good, in time this should take over the rest of the tank too.>
Any idea what this could be on my sanded? Is it red slime and if so what can be causing it?
<It does sound like BGA. Feeding, dirty filtration, source water, sandbed, incorrect flow, all the usual suspects: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bluegralgae.htm >
Thanks in advance
<Welcome, Scott V.>

I am Lost Help!, Cyano treatment and related problems 7/11/08
Hello and thanks in advance,
<Hi>
I have been the example for so long on how to do things properly that I have found myself speechless. I have a beautiful 135 Gallon Reef with a beautiful collection of fish and corals that has been successful for over 2 years. I do not want to bore you with ALL the details but my water is near perfect.
<Numbers please near perfect is not of much use.>
I have/had an great collection of tangs and wrasses along with a clown trigger ( I know I know). Here is the issue.... Tues, Morning I noticed a bit of red slime Cyano and my Naso was wedged between two rocks dead.
<Why?>
I treated the tank with Red Slime Remover by Ultra Life as I have in the past.
<I would not add anything to your tank that does not list its ingredients. Most likely you dosed your tank with Erythromycin.>
All was well while the Lights were on. As directed I turned off my canister that I run with live rock and carbon and left just my refugium and Hydor on. The next morning, All my fish were sluggish and blotchy with labored breathing. I lost my powder blue and flame angel. I thought this may be lack of oxygen due to treatment so I began full power and filtration again.
<Or due to a crash in water quality due to the possible destruction of the biofilter.>
The tank looked to have fully recovered during the day. Still water quality including Phosphates were in check.
<Numbers please.>
This morning, same thing but I lost my harlequin tusk and the same labored breathing, etc. Now that the lights are on everything is back to normal. I just don't get it, Help!
Tony Romano
<Hard to say what exactly happened since we don't really know what you added to the tank. Best bet here is to watch water quality closely and do a few extra water changes. Again I will stress how important it is to not add unknown substances to the tank.>
<Chris>

BGA 6/5/08
Good Morning crew,
<Hi there Melanie.>
We are currently enjoying (?!) a BGA outbreak in our 75 gallon reef tank.
<That is where all the BGA enjoyment went!>
I have gone through and read everything I can find on BGA on wet web, but I have some questions anyway.
<OK>
-75 gallon (48"L x 20"H x 18"D), 20 gallon sump, with in sump 1500 GPH pump and protein skimmer, one powerhead in the tank for movement, approx 90 lbs live rock, 3" aragonite sand bed.
<I would increase this depth by at least 1”.>
The tank is in a high light area, although we keep heavy drapes closed during the sunny parts of the day to avoid direct sunlight.
-Ammonia, nitrite, phosphate 0, nitrate 0 (false reading?),
<Possibly misleading, yes.>
temp 78 - 80, Calcium 440, PH 8.1. Salinity, 1.025. Water changes are approx 10 gallons weekly using RO water with Prime added to it.
<No need for the Prime with RO water.>
The mixed salt water is always at least 48 hours old before we use it. We keep a bag of activated charcoal in the trickle tank filter which we change once per month. Tank is 13 months old. This is the first algae outbreak since the initial break in period. 3 Pajama Cardinals. 2 Clarkii clowns, 1 cleaner shrimp, 1 spiny urchin, perhaps 20-24 hermit crabs, 4 or 5 snails (we had many more. They disappeared only to have hermits occupying their former address - go figure!)
<It is the story with hermits, especially this many. They will continue to thin themselves and the snails out to a point.>
1 Torch coral, 1 Goniopora, 1 Clove polyp, 1 Open Brain, 1 Button coral, 1 Porites, 1 Finger Leather, 1 declining Zoanthid.
<A rather toxic mix together.>
All corals except for the zoo are doing very well after a lighting change. He was declining before that as well.
-We were initially sold a single 400 watt MH fixture on the premise that there is no such thing as too much light. (we were new and green, had money to spend, and thought everyone in this trade was honest).
<!>
After nearly a year of heat issues and some corals that looked like they were frying, we switched to a combination 2 x 150 MH (10 000K), 2 x 96 watt actinics, 4 x 1 watt lunar LED's.
<A more suitable combo for this system.>
We have played with the height until we think we have it figured out for heat versus light. The actinics run 12 hours per day, the MH 9 hours and the lunars 2 hours. So basically there is some form of light in the tank from 10:30 am to midnight.
<Sounds good.>
The outbreak has been going on for about 3-4 weeks. These are the changes that took place up to the outbreak
-The lighting switch was done in mid April.
-We added the Clove polyp, the Finger Leather, the Urchin and the Clowns.
-We switched salt mix from Instant Ocean to Red Sea Coral Pro. (the makeup water shows a trace of phosphate)
<Do test this mixed vs. unmixed to trace the source.>
-our Emerald Crab died
<Generally a poor aquarium choice anyhow.>
-we tore down and rearranged our live rock to better use it aesthetically and for the coral placement.
<Can be a telling event.>
I feed once or twice a day with Ocean Nutrition Formula One pellets, every two days with one cube San Francisco Bay frozen Marine cuisine, mysis shrimp, or plankton, about once a week with PolyLab Reef-roids, and once a week use Kent Marine Coral Vite supplement.
<With the frozen foods, do thaw them and drain off the liquid, this can have a big impact.>
I should note that we are a six hour drive away from the nearest LFS. The store I am in contact with right now suggest purchasing a "Two Little Fishes PhosBan reactor 150 package". However since our tank did not have this problem from the start we are not sure this is the way to go. I would rather figure out what's causing it and fix the problem.
<My feeling exactly. The Phosban will simply treat symptoms, not the problem.>
Do you recommend upping our snail population?
<Not without thinning out the hermits substantially first. They will have no impact on BGA anyhow.>
The amount of food I am using now is about 2/3 what I was giving a month ago. I don't think I am overfeeding but now I'm paranoid.
<Sometimes it is not how much you feed, but how you feed. Adding the food a bit at a time, waiting until it is consumed then adding a bit more may help. This will limit the amount of “broadcast feeding” and the consequent degradation of water quality. In respect to the moving of the live rock, this presents two considerations. First, you may have possibly stirred up settled detritus/nutrients in the system, leading to the outbreak. The second thing to look at here is how this rearrangement may have changed the pattern of your water flow. It is possible this has left a dead spot for detritus to accumulate, fueling the BGA. Other than this, do investigate the other factors you have been reading about: substrate, mechanical filtration cleaning, feeding, circulation in general, etc.>
I would like to add a Blackcap Basslet and an Anthias right now and a mushroom coral down the road a little. Am I starting to stretch the limits of this tank?
<Either fish will be fine, with the careful selection of the Anthiinae. This will put your tank to full or near fully stocked. As far as the addition of any corals, you will find in time the need to select which type you wish to keep long term. The mixing will only work for so long, in time some will suffer through allelopathy.>
Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions you may have.
<Welcome.>
You have been a great resource for us in the saltwater tank as well as our outdoor waterfall / pond.
<Good to hear, thank you!>
Melanie.
<Scott V.>

Live Sand/DSB Questions 05/29/2008
Hi Crew!
<<Good evening, Andrew today>>
In the last couple months I have been fighting a war against Cyanobacteria. I refuse to treat with any chemical treatments until I have exhausted any and all natural ways to rid this out of my system. With that said I have resorted to siphoning out the bulk of the colonies, since I am not sure what is causing this outbreak! pH is 8.1 dKH is 9 Ca 400-425 Salinity 1.024 Magnesium 1200 Nitrate 0 Nitrite < 5 Phosphates 0 (but read they can be very trick to get an accurate reading on)
<<It is true, that usually false test readings are had when suffering from a plague algae outbreak as the algae is absorbing all the nutrients, giving you a false reading>>
I am running 4x39W T5HO fixture no more than 6 hrs a day with nice reflectors and 8 months left on the bulbs. I run a nice Euro Reef RS80 with an Auto Top Off that skims well, also my top off water is TDS 0. I added a Phosban reactor and carbon in the last week hoping it will help. My next route is adding MORE sand to my display not only because I lost some when cleaning but also because I would like the perks of a DSB. I currently have about a 2in sand bed in my 50 gal display and none in my
sump.
<<Does the sump have a refugium? If not, creating one in the sump if there is space, or purchasing a HOB refugium will certainly aid in the issue and use macro algae like Chaeto to out compete the Cyano outbreak for their much loved nutrients>>
A buddy of mine just tore down his 75gal tank and gave me about 30lbs of nice aragonite (he did not have a DSB just a 2in sand bed, so no massive die off). I would like to add a lot of this to my sump and some to my display. I would like to do this in the best way possible and avoid any cycles or spikes in ammonia. Last night I added about 3-4lbs to the sump after washing with aquarium water and did a small water change. The rest of the sand is sitting in a bucket with a heater and power head. I do not have the time/money/or resources to drain the entire display just to add sand. So I was wondering will adding a few pounds of sand to the sump every 24-48 hours be alright, and avoid causing problems?
<<Adding to the sump would be fine. The display, I would only really use new sand, if adding large amounts, and do not stir up the sandbed to mix in with the existing sand, as this is a common pit fall>>
Also, is leaving the sand in a bucket with a power head and a heater alright for a few weeks until I can move it all into my display?
<<Yes, this will be fine>>
Please help me out here, I do not want my tank to crash in efforts to make it better! Thanks in advance for the help you guys rock!
<<As mentioned above, I am a stickler for NOT adding sand from another aquarium to one of mine, if any, it would be just a cup full to add life. As long as the sand is cleaned though, you should experience any problems if adding in small amounts>>
<<Thanks for the questions, hope this helps. Regards, A Nixon>>

BGA 5/24/08
Hola crew!
<Hello John!>
I have corresponded before but this is a new topic. I have read the sections on Cyano, and would like to confirm my next steps.
<OK>
Background
I refinished, stained and varnished an older Dutch Aquarium 75G tank drilled 2 1.5 “ drains, a 30 gallon sump / refugium / skimmer. 90 Lbs Fiji LR; ASM G2; OR6500 Pump; 2 Koralia Nanos; 1 Maxijet 1200 Aqualight Pro with 2 150W HQI 2 96W Actinics; Kent Maxima Hi S 60GPD RO/DI (0 phosphate measured) .
I purchased the live rock in November, but then had to have surgery, so I kept the rock in two rubber maid tubs under a 20 inch compact 10000 K / actinic with the G2 and an smaller OR3500, RODI water changes every few weeks and an occasional deli shrimp to keep things lively. Parameters stayed good after the cycle. Sadly no visible worms or critters except some amphipods crawling on the rock. In February I threw in a few snails and crabs to help things along and eat a little algae..
FF to April 20 and, having managed to defer both death and taxes until next year, <Can be quite a feat.> I put my tank up with about 90 pounds of fine aragonite and set the tank on to cook. The Aqualight was used so I changed the bulbs to new after about one week. Ammonia nitrites and nitrates 0-0-0, SG at 1.026 temp around 79-80 no detectable phosphate,.
<All sounds good.>
After waiting about two weeks with no parameters changing I purchased a 7 small corals (Euphyllia divisa, Euphyllia glabrescens, Pink Acanthastrea (Lord?), a Zoa rock, selected mushrooms (Rhodactis, Actinodiscus, Sarcophyton I think ). Then being stupid and overconfident, I started adding some AquaVitro Calcification to boost calcium from 375 to 425 and accepted 4 creatures from a friend of a friend (Amphiprion percula, Sphaeramia nematoptera, stenopus hispidus, and a yet unidentified tang (maybe hybrid Powder blue / chocolate))who was shutting down her tank and wanted them to go to a good home. Ha, fooled her. <!>
I have been trying to feed once per day, occasionally less, rarely more, alternating Rods Food and Sectrum Thera plus (which they ate at their previous home). Tang seems happy and some surplus algae keeps him well fed. Water change too low at 10% every two weeks.
<Yes, double the frequency.>
Then I noticed one patch, then two then three on the rock of wavy bubbly green stuff. BGA.. Mostly in partially shaded and less intense flow spots. I have to assume my organic waste outpaced my bacterial growth curve. Still no detectable ammonia or nitrites or nitrates but the proof is in the slime.
<Yes it is.>
After spending the last day reading everything in your forum, I am
1) Upping water changes to 20% weekly.
2) Vacuuming the Cyano off the rock when changing
<#1 and 2 will have a big impact on the BGA.>
3) Not planning on using antibiotics. Instead, I have rounded up about a quart or two of established tank sand from 3-4 tanks, throwing half in the tank and half in the refugium.
<This is a good idea to help seed your sandbed further.>
4) I have stopped using the AquaVitro calcifihoozy
<You will want some sort of Ca/Alk supplementation as needed. You may find that the increased water changes will take care of this for the time being.>
5) I am cranking my skimmer up to colorless skimmate.
6) Added the Maxijet 1200 and then moved the 2 Koralia Nanos to blow directly on the BGA patches.
<This will help those areas, only to create dead spots for the BGA in other areas. Keep your flow where your corals need it, kind of an art. You will need to experiment to find a random, ideally total tank flow with few or no dead spots.>
7) Waiting to feed until my fish beg with little cups outstretched, saying “Please, sir, more?” .
<Heee, just about all of us can feed less!>
7) Playing Jimmy Buffet loud, drinking rum, and dancing in front of tank with silk Hawaiian luau shirt..
<This seems to have the largest impact of all in my tank.>
Is there anything I have overlooked which you would recommend? I want to nip this in the bud.
<Your plan sounds good. The elevated water changes alone will have a huge impact, you will be able to back off these a bit in time.>
Thanks
John
aka Fishnu
PS Tang refuses to eat Cyano despite small sign saying “Hair Algae. Really.”
<Really? I would think the sign should do the trick, you must have a stubborn Tang! Have fun (you are!) and good luck, Scott V.>

Cyano Problems 5/23/08
Dear Crew,
<Hello>
Hope all is well.
<Yes, thanks.>
I am having one heck of a time keeping BGA in check, and I'm hoping you can help me figure this out. I honestly don't know what more I can do to keep it in check. The cyano hasn't taken over my tank or anything, but it's definitely noticeable, and it builds up on certain rocks consistently and it's started to appear on pieces of LR
that previously were unaffected.
<To be honest this is pretty common and expected, it is a very durable life form and will grow almost anywhere. Eliminating it is almost impossible, keeping it in check is about the best we can do.>
I have a 110g with about 95lbs of live rock that's been running for about 1 year. Internal circulation with 2 Koralia 3s and 2 Maxi-Jet 1200s is about 2,200 gph, and the return pump gives an extra (I'm guessing) 500 or so gph. I have a large sump in which there are about 10 gallons of water and that houses an AquaC EV-180, a TLF Phos reactor (with 150g of TLF media) and some carbon. I also have a 30 gallon refugium in which I keep a very large tuft of Chaetomorpha, a 5" deep sand bed and about 12-15 lbs of live rock. My animal load is light--a Sailfin Tang, a Gold Stripe Maroon Clown, a small Copper Band Butterfly, a Brown Combtooth Blenny, and a Royal Gramma, 4 Acro frags, a Montipora cap., a Merulina ampliata, a nice purple Acro. millepora, several mushrooms, a Capnella, a Dendronephthya, 5 or so polyps of Candy Cane, and 2 Open Brains. I do 10% water changes every Sunday without exception, during which I siphon off all the BGA from the rocks. All of my mixing water and top-off water is RO/DI that has TDS of 0. I use Reef Crystals for a salt mix. I have tested my RO/DI water and my mixed salt water, and both read 0 phosphates. My display water also reads 0 phosphates (as well as 0 ammonia, nitrites and nitrates). Calcium is 410-450 ppm, magnesium is 1,250 and alkalinity ranges from 3.0 to 3.5 meq./L. Temperature ranges from 77 to 79.5. The only things I dose are ESV B-Ionic 2 part and Brightwell Aquatics Magnesion-P. I test my water every week for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, calcium, alkalinity, and magnesium. Lighting is 2x250W 14,000K HQIs and 4x65W actinic PCs. I feed my fish once or twice per day (New Life Spectrum flakes and live black worms, with an occasional live clam), and then only as much as my fish can eat in about 1 minute or so.
<Might want to switch out the flakes to their pellet formula, holds nutrients better, allowing the fish to get more and the tank to get less.>
I do, however, "broadcast" feed my SPS corals using Eric Borneman's recipe and DTs Oyster Eggs and I know this can add a lot of nutrients to the tank, but I only feed about 1.5 tsp of food per feeding 2 or 3 times per week.
<Still may be enough to spur a little cyano growth, it doesn't need much fuel at all.>
My SPS are showing really good growth, which tells me that phosphate isn't adversely impacting them. But, the BGA has gotten worse in the last few weeks although I've always had some. The only thing I've done to the tank is remove my bio-balls from my sump over a 2-week period. I have read every post/article on controlling BGA--I've cut back on my feeding, I've cut back on the photoperiod (MHs run about 9 hours per day, and the actinics run 11 hours per day), I siphon off the BGA, and I vacuum the substrate (1 inch of CaribSea Super Reef--0.5mm to 2mm). Can you help me figure out what is missing from this equation, as I'm totally stumped?
Thanks in advance for the help.
Andy
<A couple of minor things to try here. First make sure your pH is at the appropriate level, I have found that I get more cyano when the pH falls a bit. And second try to increase the circulation in that particular area, maybe add a small powerhead aimed at the rock. Otherwise, if it is just small patches of cyano keep doing what you are already doing to keep it in check and learn to accept that you will always have some, that's what I have done and it makes my life much easier.>
<Chris>

RE: Cyano Problems 5/23/08
Thank you! My pH is a constant 8.2-8.3. It seems to never vary from that reading no matter when I test.
<This is a good thing.>
I switched to the flakes because my fish didn't seem to dig the pellets. I am glad to hear that this is an accepted problem because almost everything I've read about BGA basically says "you're doing something wrong--BGA can't grow unless you are feeding it . . .". Thanks again.
<In my eyes a little cyano is unavoidable, although I guess what "a little" is subjective. Its one of the oldest, most basic life forms on the planet, keeping it out of your tank completely would be nearly impossible in my opinion. As long as it is not taking over I would not worry about it too much.>
<Chris>

Re: Not sure what to look for... BGA 05/15/08
As always, thanks so much for your replies. I had read through much of the site looking for something similar to this, and reread more again and still really haven't found a description for this mysterious death... Certainly not saying that it isn't in there somewhere, though! I suppose I have to chalk this one up to an inevitable death. I have asked for another ABT, hopefully this time one more along the lines of 4" to 5", if the juvi's are harder to get in healthy. I've noticed in the past few days that there have been quite a few emails regarding Cyanobacteria/Bluegreen Algae. I can't say I've rid my tank of it, but I'm trying to keep it under control.
<Good... I 'judge' the loss of suitability of wild habitats by the incidence/patchiness of BGA... and there is way too much of "more and denser of this" in the world's reefs>
I'm looking to purchase an upgrade/bigger skimmer, but in the meantime I'm using my net to scoop up the Ciano patches, dumping that sand in a bucket, and taking it outside and rinsing it off with the hose and spray nozzle, then putting the sand back in the tank.
<Better to siphon/clean this mess in place, toss the water...>
It only amounts to 2 cups of sand, but when I try and vacuum the colonies off it just clumps with the sand and won't come up the tube.
<Oh!>
I'm also aggressively vacuuming the substrate and it seems to be helping some, but it is still reforming in some areas. Last night I did a 20% change
again, and took about half the LR out and rinsed it in a bucket of tank water that I had siphoned out. I rinsed all filter media as well. Nitrates are still consistently showing less than 10 ppm.  Now, in your opinion, how quickly would these measures show any result?  Reading, it seems that nitrate is the primary nutrient that feeds this mess, correct?
<Is one of the principal rate-limiting nutrients/factors, but not all by far... Is typically NOT the threshold material (typically soluble phosphate, HPO4, is)>
What else would be a big factor that's truly a measurable? I've thought about taking all of the sponges out of the FX5 and just leaving the ceramic bio media in it, I want to keep the filter since it moves so much water...
<I would do this>
But I like the fact that it does filter solids and particles out of the tank. I was thinking back to when I was naïve and had an 80 gallon tank with an Emperor snapper and a dogface puffer, and the primary filtration was a Fluval 404 which I NEVER cleaned. My nitrates were so sky high that I had
a thick mat of brown hair algae that completely covered the back glass... but with all that nasty nitrate and nutrient level in the substrate, not once did I have Cyanobacteria. Here, with a much better bioload, good filtration, and maintained nitrates less that 10ppm, boom - Bluegreen Algae.
Thomas Roach
<Bob Fenner>

Cyanobacteria "red slime" toxicity 5/12/08
Dear Crew@WetWebMedia.com,
<Hello.>
I have maintained marine aquariums since the mid 1970s. I used to be in the aquarium retail, wholesale and aquarium maintenance service business (for four years). Always had some aquariums to deal with that has red slime problems from time to time.
<A sometimes frustrating battle.>
The usual ways to combat it was to reduce nutrient levels, add animals to help graze it, and physically siphon it off.
<Reducing the fueling factors being the only real cure.>
Over time, the red slime would disappear or be greatly reduced. Rarely did I resort to chemical treatments.
<Almost always not a good idea to use, rather treat it at the source.>
I never experienced any fish mortality during red slime removal until recently. Twice now, I have had angels (flame angel and P. Chrysurus) die within hours (but no other fish) in my 180 gal reef after physical disturbance of red slime algae patches during water changes by siphoning the red slime off during standard substrate (about 5/8 inch deep) vacuuming. I have never had any fish die as a result of this before during my years of experience. I believe that I may have a particularly toxic form of red slime algae in this system. Have any of you heard of this before from anyone else?
<Hmm, yes it can be toxic. This or/combined with the factors of water quality that lead to the BGA contributing to the demise of the fish.>
I can see that I need to eradicate this slime from my system to order to keep angels.
<By which adjusting the water quality to be more suitable.>
My phosphate levels are only about 0.03 ppm and NO3 is just about 5 ppm.
<Deceptive readings, the BGA itself will use these nutrients up, giving a lower reading.>
I use miracle mud (40lbs) in my macroalgae/mud filter and just changed 50% of the mud March 1, 2008. Red slime had a minor presence before the new mud was added, but has recently been in a bit of a blooming phase, which is sometimes common in newly setup systems with miracle mud. It should be noted that the angels were in perfect health prior to the water change/red slime vacuuming process. Any comments or new ideas about a plan of action. Thanks.
<Just to give the system some time before adding angels and to track down the source of the BGA. It does not and should not be part of a properly kept system! A link a related FAQ’s below to help you diagnose what is going on. Welcome, Scott V.>
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bluegralgae.htm

Re: Cyanobacteria "red slime" toxicity 5/13/08
Crew,
Thanks for your comments regarding my toxic red slime problem.
<Welcome.>
In addition, I suspect that I may have dinoflagellates on the bottom of the tank (I know it is very rare). I saw your pictures of an aquarium with this problem and my substrate looks similar (it has the brown diatom look on the bottom like newly set up systems; but my 180 has been set up for 4 years). This could also be contributing to toxic water conditions (for angels) during water changes while siphoning off the bottom.
<More indicative of greater issues re water quality.>
There is also some green hair algae on some of the live rock (not real bad).
<Ditto.>
Interestingly, the macroalgae mud sump has no red slime or Dinos in it that I can see. Just heathly Caulerpa and just a bit of green hair algae on walls (which I remove regularly). I do use RO water. My tank currently has 7 fish that range from 1.5 to 7 inches. I read one of your articles that mentioned you want at a minimum 10X the tank volume being circulated.
<Yes.>
I assume you are referring to circulation through the filter system not internal circulation with power heads, right?
<The total system flow, but this is a minimum that is very often met with sump flow-through alone.>
I do have 2 Maxi jet 1200 power heads on each end; and the main pump is a Iwaki MD 70 RLT, probably circulating about 1100 -1200 gals per hour. I have a value to control flow. It's max flow at 4 ' head is 1500 gph. I could increase some but the tank is Reef Ready and I've extended the drain tubes with sponges up to utilize the overflow boxes as refugiums. When you turn up the value to let the Iwaki pump at full strength, the water can't drain fast enough into the sump/mud filter.
<The typical “reef ready” tanks will not keep up with this pump.>
I suppose I could cut those tubes down and I may be able to increase the MD 70 RLT to its max flow rate. What do you think?
<This will not make much of a difference, but removing the foam on the drains will help out. The main issue with these overflow systems is the bulkhead (drain) size. They are simply drilled for too small a hole!>
To fight this algae problem the plan of action will be: 1) maybe increase circulation;
<From the sound of things, yes. This can have a huge impact.>
2) add some carbon (1 TSP) per 10 gals (I don't generally use because of my macroalgae/miracle mud filter seems to keep the water very clear and I don't want carbon absorbing my miracle mud trace elements)
<Carbon will not have an impact on the algae production.>
plus I also run a protein skimmer (Mag 7 pump with "Berlin like" skimmer);
<Good.>
3) cut the lights off for 1 or 2 days straight, then only have about 4 or 5 hours of lighting for now;
<Very little impact, even if it were to kill the algae it would return with the lighting. This is treating a symptom and not the cause.>
4) continue using 300 g Phos Ban PO4 absorbing material in a bag in the sump; and clean the overflow sponges more frequently;
<Yes, clean all mechanical filtration very frequently.>
and continue with 30 % water changes once per month or every 3 weeks;
<Or even up the frequency until the issue is solved.>
5) only feed the fish every other day (one formula cube) Any comments?
<Letting the cube thaw and draining off the liquids will help out, as will adding pieces of the cube to the tank as the previous piece is consumed (not just dumping the whole lot in), minimizing pollution from feeding. Lighting is just one component of algae/BGA production, you will need to figure out where the other components are coming from and resolve the problem. Good circulation and cleaning your mechanical filtration often are musts. Also consider your substrate. If it is large grain it may be acting as a nutrient sink.>
Thanks. John S.
<Welcome, Scott V.>

Cyanobacteria 5/5/08
After months of silence, I find myself writing several times this week… I got home last night, and in the span of the day prior, I have had a patch of Cyanobacteria appear on my sand bed that is about 6” long by 4” wide.
<You are catching it early.>
My tank is 200 gallons, 6’ long. I have 0ppm of Ammonia, Nitrites, and <20 ppm Nitrates. <Part of the problem.> My PH is 8.2 and my salinity is 1.025. This tank has been up and running now for over a year, and my tremendous battle with Ich was the only issues I’ve ever really had. Up until yesterday it has been problem free all of this year.
<You can overcome this too!>
The contents of the tank are approximately 100 – 150 lbs of live rock, 50 to 100 Obsoleta snails,
<A controversial snail and many of them! Nice article on these:
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-11/mg/index.php. >
a dozen or so red or blue legged hermit crabs, a Passer Angel 6”, a yellow tang 5”, a Lunare Wrasse 6”, a maroon clown 2”, and a Snowflake Moray about 14”. There have been no new additions, the last being the Snowflake about 2 to 3 months ago. Every two weeks I do a 25% water change. The tank is filtered by a Fluval FX5 (circulation, cleaned every 2 weeks), a wet/dry rated for 150 gallons (pad and overflow cleaned weekly), a 180 gallon rated protein skimmer, and a small ‘Magnum’ canister filter which I use to run carbon on occasion (filter pad cleaned every two weeks during water change). The last water change was almost two weeks ago (One is due this weekend).
I’ve read on here that Cyano can be caused by nutrients, lighting, current, etc. I have added lighting recently. <Oh!> Initially I had a 36” T5 strip and a 48” Coralife 130w strip. Recently I acquired a Coralife 36” 190w strip with one 10K bulb and one actinic bulb, hoping to encourage the beautiful purple coralline algae to grow. This strip is on one side, and the other two are over the other side of the tank, over the Cyanobacteria. I made this change about two weeks ago.
<The lighting may be a factor in where it is growing, but not too much so in why.>
At this time I also moved my protein skimmer to the opposite side (away from where the Cyano is), in order to keep the bubbles from getting in the siphon tube of the wet/dry.
<A HOB skimmer? If so you will be better served with an in sump model truly capable of handling a tank this size with such large fish.>
I am quite sure there are plenty of nutrients in the tank, <Me too!> as I feed about two cubes of food per day (either marine cuisine and squid, or emerald entrée and angel formula), plus some silversides for the eel. Every other day I put a small sheet of either blue or green dried seaweed on a clip for the tang and angel. However, this has been the routine for months, and I have not had a water quality issue.
<It can be a cumulative effect over time.>
I’m guessing the sudden appearance of the Cyano is either due to the lighting for some reason, or the change of current from moving the protein skimmer.
<It would have appeared sooner or later without these changes.>
I plan on removing it by vacuum either tonight or tomorrow when I do my water change, but I was really surprised by it’s sudden appearance when it has never been present before.
<If it appears at some point in time, when it does, it does not happen slowly!>
Are there other questions I should ask or conditions I don’t see that might cause this, and do you see anything that stands out that might have caused it’s sudden appearance?
<From the sound of it I encourage you to look into a better skimmer. Also you need to make cleaning all mechanical filtration a weekly chore at the very least. Two other factors to consider are substrate and circulation. If you have a coarse substrate combined with these large (and ever getting larger) fish you have a recipe for detritus accumulation and nitrate production, fueling the problem. The circulation issue is not so much that you moved things around, but do you have enough? You will need a minimum of 10 times your tank volume circulating through an hour to keep things in suspension to be removed by your filtration ( hence the need to clean, frequently).>
One other question, regarding an Atlantic Blue tang. I think the answer is yes, but would it be too much to add one of these? If the answer is no, I’d like to consider possibly removing some of the livestock in order to accommodate one. I have wanted one since seeing them while snorkeling off Cozumel, I think they are absolutely gorgeous. I do not believe the Passer angel would be an issue, as he gets along well with the Yellow Tang; my thoughts would be more concerning the Yellow. I’ve been told that Tangs of different shapes/species/colors can get along fine, but do you?
<You very well may get away with it, for a while. You already have many sizable, only getting larger, fish and nitrate accumulation is a factor coming into play already. I would not add another fish to this system.>
Again, thanks for all of your time and efforts!
<Welcome, thank you. A link re the Cyano below, Scott V.>
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bluegralgae.htm

Re: Cyanobacteria 5/6/08
Thanks, Scott V. Very informative answer and makes me think.
<You’re welcome.>
I don't know that an in-sump skimmer would work with this set up, in that the wet-dry is about the largest size I can get underneath the tank due to the cabinet construction, and it holds about 4 to 5 inches of water in the bottom. Any larger tank/sump would have to go in with the tank off the stand, and that's not an option, obviously.
<Too bad.>
I've thought about trying to make this a 'refugium' with a higher water level, but there is always a concern of power failure or disaster of sorts and not having the reserve room for water causing flooding in the house (this would be bad for the hobby, coming directly from the Missus.).
<If you don’t have the transit volume this will happen eventually.>
The skimmer is a HOB skimmer, yes. I'm sure I could add an additional one, however, or a larger/better model if you have a suggestion. I've read suggestions about these 'backpack' skimmers on this site, but I believe they are combo hang on units that wouldn't suit this need, correct?
<They have stand alone skimmers, they are not the best. Aqua C, Bermuda Aquatics and Deltec (if you have the $) all make good HOB skimmers.>
I checked my nitrates prior to doing my water change this weekend and they were less than 10ppm. It may have been mis-interpreted when I said they were always less than 20ppm, what I meant to say was that 20 ppm was as high as it's ever gotten since Mr. Fenner chastised me in a most welcome and beneficial way, but typically it is much less (0 - 10ppm).
<Heee, you do need to keep nitrate at a reasonable level!>
I will read the link you put on the Cyano. I tried to vacuum it, but the base is mostly sand and it just bunched up and was really non-vacuumable (is this even a word? :D ) <I think not!> What I did this week when I did the water change was to really vacuum the substrate. I had been using a powerhead to blow off the live rock and siphon the water from the tank the last few times; Prior to that I had always vacuumed the substrate. Maybe getting away from that was part of the Cyano reason. We will see how this works, as I changed 20% and cleaned all mechanical filtration this weekend. I did notice it was reforming this morning. This ticks me off.
<Irritating isn’t it. That is why frequent cleaning is needed.>
I think I will try the Atlantic Blue Tang, but not with the current livestock; I believe I'm going to remove the Snowflake Moray first, as I would think he would be responsible for quite a bit of bio load, and the LFS will gladly take him.
<Good move.>
The ABT I'm looking at is a juvi, about 3 inches.
I'm not in a rush, so he may sell anyhow and it will be a mute point. At worst I just end up reducing the livestock.
<Not such a bad thing, it will make your Cyano issue easier to control. Thank you for the update, Scott V.>
Thomas Roach

Re: Cyanobacteria/Obsoleta snails 5/6/08
Wow, just read your link for the Obsoleta snails...
<Not gospel, but an educated point of view none the less.>
and yup, that's where they came from, North Carolina. Now they've been in the tank for months, and, well, they do eat algae for sure. They come out of the sand bed at night and munch algae off the glass.
<If all is well then great. >
I have little fan worms on my live rock that they don't bother, and some other snails as well. What do you recommend on them?
<I would not remove them if all is working out. As far as the number of the snails go they either have or will weed themselves out to an appropriate level. This could be a contributor to your nitrate and will pass in time.>
Should I get them out?
It would be easy enough over the course of a few nights, picking them off the glass. I would think, if they are omnivores, they would be good cleaners, though.
<If it’s not broke…>
Now, the tanks temperature is definitely not suited for them, it's between 79 and 82 most of the year.
<My main issue with these snails.>
Whatever you think is what I will do. Regardless, it's a good post for FAQ. They are for sale on eBay, and reading the shipper's description seem like a wonderful little snail. Good to at least put it out there for your readers to decide.
<Exactly, this site is about informing so a person can make their own educated decisions!>
Thanks again!
Thomas Roach
<Welcome, Scott V.>

Slime in a new tank! 4/29/08
New Aquarium-Old Problem (Nuisance Algae Bloom in Newly Established System)
Hi there!
<Good evening! Scott F. in tonight!>
Hope you can settle my frustrations a little.
<The doctor is in...LOL>
I have just set-up a new 70G marine set-up. Have had 2 other marine tanks before. The new tank matured nicely and I have started to stock, with just a couple of fish and some shrimp (all from my previous tank). They have all settled in well and seem their usual happy selves.
<Good to hear!>
I have, however, got a Cyanobacteria bloom. I do a 10% water change every week and the tank has been going for 6 weeks (3 and a half weeks cycling and 2 and a half weeks with stock). In my other tanks, I have had this bloom when the tanks were not long set-up and so am not overly surprised it has happened. However as it is a bigger tank the bloom is on a bigger scale. I would like to know how long these blooms usually last and what I can do to get the edge over it. I have tried sucking it out, but it comes back within the next couple of days. Thanks a lot, Jamie!
<Well, Jamie- I'm glad that you are aware of these blooms as a normal part of the aquarium maturation process. They are caused by excesses of nutrients in a system with immature (or even non-existent) nutrient export processes. Once the population of beneficial microorganisms reaches a sufficient size, you'll realize a decrease in the algae. In the mean time, your best bet is to contribute to the nutrient export processes any way you can. Nothing earth-shattering or revolutionary here. Start with continued regular water changes (your 10% is fine, or you can be obsessively geeky like me and utilize two 5% water changes per week). Make sure that your protein skimmer is functioning well, and regularly producing skimmate. Next, be sure to utilize some sort of chemical filtration media, such as activated carbon, Poly Filter, etc. somewhere in your system, and replace it regularly. Maintain brisk circulation within the system, which helps to drive off excess C02 and keep detritus in suspension for utilization by animals, or for removal by mechanical filtration media. Perhaps you might want to try to grow some "purposeful" macroalgae, such as Chaetomorpha, in you sump or a refugium (illuminated on a "reverse" day/night schedule with the display, which will help stabilize pH as a side benefit) to compete with the nuisance algae. Harvest the macroalgae on a regular basis, which will which will truly remove nutrient from the system. Finally, don't forget about the most important ingredient- a healthy dose of patience. Given time, good husbandry, and patience, the natural nutrient export systems in your aquarium will develop and your nuisance algae problem will be a thing of the past. You can do it- hang in there! Regards, Scott F.>

Blue Tang Problems 04/05/2008
Hi All,
<<Hello, Andrew today>>
I have recently been having some trouble with a Blue Hippo Tang in my 75gal reef aquarium. It has begun scratching on the rock work in the tank more frequently than normal, and has numerous raised bumps on it, about the size of a pinhead, and a few of them are white. I originally thought it was Ich, but as none of my other tank's inhabitants (2 percula clowns, 1 coral beauty, 1 Hawkfish) have had any symptoms or odd behavior, I figured it was something else. The tang has had this problem before, though not as badly as lately and those bumps usually went away within a few days or so, but this recent outbreak has lasted about 5 days now. My water parameters are pretty good, 0 phosphate, 0 nitrite, 0 ammonia, 2.5 nitrate, pH 8.3, salinity 1.025, calcium at 450 and Alk at 8, so water quality shouldn't be the issue. I am inclined to think it is something fungal on the Tang, and if so, what should be used to treat it? I have been soaking the food in Selcon and garlic alternately to try to help out. The tang eats very well, I usually feed Formula flakes, pellets and frozen foods, I tried to get it to eat Nori and seaweed, but it refuses to eat anything off a veggie clip. Any advice?
<<Does not sound fungal to me, it does sound like Ich, and Ich that has not gone away from a previous infection. I would suggest moving the stock to QT and treat with hyposalinity and monitor all. More can be read here http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ichart2mar.htm >>
On a hopefully unrelated note, I have been having some Cyanobacteria problems for a few months now, it will grow on the rock and glass until I siphon it off during weekly maintenance, and then grow right back. Skimming through some of your files here at WWM, I read that the DOC's from frozen foods can fuel Cyano growth <<Potentially, yes>>. I usually feed one cube a day, and until very recently, hadn't decanted the 'juice' out of the cubes, would that be the source of the problem?
<<Quite possible, yes. The juice from the frozen foods contain a high amount of phosphate (even though some foods say they don't). Cyano can appear from a few things overfeeding, too much light (lighting period), high phosphate and nitrates, flow....One of these area's are providing the means for the Cyano to bloom>>
Thank you for all your help, your services are invaluable.
Kindly, Daniel
<<Thank you for the questions Daniel, hope this helps. A Nixon>>

BGA Problems 4/1/08
Greetings,
<Hello Victor.>
I have a 125 gallon SW tank with about 90 lbs of live rock, 2x 175W 10kK metal halide lights, 3 small fish, and it is about 10 months old now. My AquaC EV-180 skimmer pulls out earthy smelling scum, not at all "foul" smelling.
<Earthy is a good description, foul in the eyes of others!>
The fish are fed 2 times a day with mysis and some omega 1 flakes.
<Be sure all this is actually eaten.>
Now the problem is that microalgae film growth is very sparse; I can't even see it. The only thing that grows on the glass is some weird green calcareous algae splotches about the size of a pencil tip as well as some Cyano and coralline. Halimeda, turtle weed, and tufts of other macroalgae seem to do ok. They grow slowly. Valonia is just about everywhere. There are probably only 10 small snails in the tank. I have been using Oceanic salt, but just recently switched to Reef Crystals since Oceanic seems to be lacking ingredients. Is there a SAFE way I can promote green film algae and diatoms??
<You are better off promoting the growth of the macroalgae. Promoting the growth of diatoms will just cause other issues in your system.>
The idea is that the microalgae will encourage the growth of microfauna and scavenge away nutrients to stop Cyano. I read that sodium silicate can be used to grow diatoms, but I don't know where to get it. I haven't tested it, but I'm sure there are nitrates and phosphates in the tank, so I'm guessing iron is missing from the water.
<It is more likely the phosphate or nitrate are limiting the growth, being used up as it is produced/released.>
I hardly ever use my overpriced magnet cleaner.
<This will make no difference.>
When the tank was first setup, the film algae grew like crazy, but I suspect that's due to washing the sand with carbon filtered tap water and the introduction of liverock.
<Yes, it is part of a tank’s normal lifecycle.>
The copepods were everywhere but now they're gone :(
<What fish do you have? This is more than likely the cause.>
-Victor
<Promoting the growth of your macroalgae will give you what you are looking for, preferably in a separate refugium. This will allow you to tend to the algae’s lighting needs without affecting your main display, and give you a haven for pod production as well. As far as your Cyano issue, check all the usual suspects: water flow, feeding/stocking levels, dirty mechanical filtration, substrate, etc. A link for you below to point you in the right direction. Good luck, Scott V.>
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bluegralgae.htm