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FAQs on Violet Gobies Foods/Feeding/Nutrition

Related Articles: There's a Dragon In My Tank! The bizarre and beautiful Dragon Goby By Jeni C. Tyrell, Fresh to Brackish Gobioid Fishes

Related FAQs: Dragon/Violet Gobies 1, Dragon/Violet Gobies 2, & FAQs on: Dragon/Violet Gobies Identification, Dragon/Violet Gobies Behavior, Dragon/Violet Gobies Compatibility, Dragon/Violet Gobies Selection, Dragon/Violet Gobies Systems, Dragon/Violet Gobies Disease, Dragon/Violet Gobies Reproduction, & Brackish Water Fishes in General

Don't live on flake, dried food alone...

Dragon/Violet Goby has Problems Swimming 3/3/04
Hey :)
<Hey yourself, it's Pufferpunk again>
I'm sorry to be troublesome, but this is regarding our inherited violet goby. <No trouble at all!>
We suspect he may have swim bladder disease, probably as a result of the trauma he has experienced.  I know this is common in gold fish -anyone ever seen it in a goby before?  <Not yet>
Any suggestions?  I'm concerned that it may be a bacterial infection.  He is spending an inordinate amount of time at the top of the tank, and seems to have trouble swimming to the bottom.
<You could start out with his diet.  Try feeding him shelled peas, or algae wafers.  What is he eating now?  My goby does a lot of hanging out on the glass sometimes.  Is he able to get to the bottom at all?>
Thanks in advance Julie
<Hope it's just his diet, let me know. ~PP>

Dragon/Violet Goby Foods?  3/4/04
Hey all and especially Pufferpunk :)
<Hello>
Well things looked real rough this morning but we did another water change and tonight he looks a lot better.  <Yippee! =o)>
This morning he was really struggling to get to the bottom.  When I got home tonight he was hanging out on the side of the tank about 2/3 down, and now he's resting peacefully on the bottom. SO I'm hoping maybe this means we're past the worst - truthfully I was
doubtful if this poor guy would even survive the transition to our home at all.
<I hope this was all just caused by stress.  Like I said before, he had acclimated himself to survive in poor conditions.  Even though you knew his conditions needed to improve, it is still shocking for him to adjust to a cleaner tank, along with the water parameters that change with it.>
what do you feed your goby?  We've got live brine shrimp and also shrimp pellets.
<Mine loves blackworms & algae wafers.>
Wow its crazy getting used to this new fish!  I have a 20 hex of
freshwater - guppies - and I'm slowly moving that colony into a fully planted 72 bowfront.  I know a fair amount about freshwater and about plan tanks, but nothing about this guy!  Lucky for him anyway I do have experience with fish.  It makes me mad that a pet store is so irresponsible to sell this fish to someone without explaining its needs, much less explaining that it gets very large and needs a large tank!
<Unfortunately this happens more often than not.  Sometimes I just hang around my LFS listening to how they sell BW fish & puffers.  I am always printing out info for them give to the customers to read when they purchase these special fish.  Your dragon's lucky to have you!>
Julie
<Enjoy! ~PP>

Feeding a Dragon 4/11/04 
This message is directed to Pufferpunk. 
<Hi, it's me, PP> 
This is Julie, the one who inherited the Violet Goby from the well-meaning brother-in-law. The fish is doing very well and has grown a lot since we got him! All signs of swim-bladder disease disappeared within 24 hours, and no problems since. 
<That's great!> 
A few questions, I hope you'll be willing to answer. We got a nice big tank for him, and so we want to get it set up. What do you use for your substrate? 
I have mine in a tank with other BW fish, so I use crushed coral (or aragonite is good) to keep the pH stable at around 8. Your dragon would prefer something small enough to pick up & scrounge around in, making caves as he goes.> 
Also, When you feed your fish worms do you just dump em in, or do you use one of those worm feeders? 
<I use a cone worm feeder. My goby always knows when there are worms in there & waits underneath for them to fall.> 
So far ours doesn't seem real interested in anything other than algae tablets. 
<Some dragons like shrimp pellets too.> 
Thanks, in advance. hope all your fish are doing well :) 
Julie 
<Yes, all my fishies are happy & healthy. You're dragon sounds like he's in for the same too! ~PP>

"There's a Dragon In My Tank!"  Gobioides broussonettii - questions, comments... 2/12/07
Hi All (This one is really for PufferPunk, if possible),
<Hi Cathy, you've got me!>
I wanted to thank you for a very informative web site - I've been doing a lot of researching for my brackish tank and it seems that all roads lead to WWM :)
<Most do but there are also a few other good ones...>
My question is about substrate for these awesome fish.  "Smaug" is about 4"long, has been in a 29 gallon tank which has been gradually "brackified" to a SG of 1.005 over 2 weeks' time.  I originally had plain gravel and crushed coral in the tank but have decided that he should have a sand substrate for a more natural habitat.  Long story short, I put this little one into my 10 gallon "guest tank" with some of his salty water and put
fine marine sand into the 29G tank (it's still "settling"... I didn't know how to rinse the sand very well.  It's fine sand, how are you supposed to rinse it?).  
<I just rinse in a bucket, while stirring with my hand, till clear.  Pour off the top water & repeat.  Never do get all the particles out...  Adding some filter floss to the filter, usually clears the water up in a day.>
Then someone told me that this fish might eat the sand and get impacted or sick from it.  Is that true?  
<Never heard that one--ask the fish in all my SW tanks or the fish in the ocean.  They seem to have no problem with sand.>
Since I have bought this sand and put it in the tank, I'd hate to waste the investment and effort but I don't feel good about putting him back in until I have some idea that it will be ok for him.  I also have a bag of calcite (by Seachem), grey coarse sand but it seems kind of jagged and sharp.  These are my options at the moment,
gravel, sand, calcite or any combination of them.
<The sand is fine.>
I do also have some comments about the article "There's a Dragon in my Tank"- I would have liked to email the author directly but there was no email in the article.... so hopefully this will reach her.
<It has>
While it is a very informative article and I am so glad for this resource, some of my experiences with this fish have been different than what I read in the article.  For example, "Lacking the normal fish's swim bladder, they are poor swimmers and wiggle back and forth like a snake in the water or scoot along the substrate and rocks on their lateral fin."  Hmmm...  Mine swims all over the tank at night, gliding around and performing graceful aquabatics that put any other fish to shame.  Yeah, kind of snakelike, eelish, but definitely not a poor swimmer.  Perhaps this is a sign of stress?  Or because he is young and small?  But to my (albeit untrained) eye, he seems to be having a pretty good time.  He does occasionally go to the surface, then back down but there is no ammonia or nitrite in the water - I've checked.
<Definitely does not swim like any other "fish" I've seen.>
"This is not a fish for beginner aquarists or even experienced freshwater aquarists beginning in brackish water."
Why on earth not?  
<Mostly because of their difficulty to feed.  Many starve to death, considering their poor eyesight & distaste for flakes.>
Can I just say, this is my first brackish tank.  I'm not what you'd call an experienced aquarist (I've only had a FW community tank for 5 months before this one). I guess I don't understand what the difficulty is in keeping this fish.  Proper marine salt, properly dissolved, gradually added to the tank - check.  Hydrometer - check.
Regular water changes/good water quality - check.  Proper feeding (he eats everything I've offered - shrimp pellets, brine shrimp, bloodworms, Hikari Sinking Wafers...).   With all due respect, I feel like the article is "preaching to the choir" - the person who is researching the proper care of this creature is exactly the kind of person who should have them.  Do people really say, "I feel like starting a brackish tank.  Now, what kind of fish likes slightly salty water?"  I think most of us have certain critters in mind, and go from there.
<Unfortunately, you are not the norm for most beginner fishkeepers.  Even when you go to almost any LFS, they'll tell you "BW consists of just adding a little aquarium salt to your tank.  Sure, you can keep them in a 10g tank.  Oh yeah, they'll eat flakes."  Lost of folks go years without ever doing a water change on their tank--only topping off.  I can go on & on about how poorly fish are kept, even by some so called "experienced" hobbyists.>
And lastly... "A lot of these are sold because of their odd appearance and common names. Who wouldn't want a purple dragon? But that is insufficient reason to buy a fish".  IMHO these are perfectly good reasons to buy a fish.  They are fascinating in appearance and behavior - I know that's why I wanted to get one :)   It's just that... nobody should ever take on any animal without knowing what their needs are and being prepared to meet them.  
<If only everyone thought like you!  Then I wouldn't be so busy helping fix all the mistakes everyone makes, because they didn't do any research of any kind & bought this really cool purple dragon that their LFS told them would be fine in their FW community tank, with just a little bit of salt & flakes for food.>  
So kudos and thanks to you all, for helping me be more informed - mission accomplished, no? :)
<Kudos back to you, for being the kind of fishkeeper that all should be!  ~PP>
Thank you for your time, Cathy
Re: "There's a Dragon In My Tank!"  2/12/07  - 02/15/07
[...]
gravel, sand, calcite or any combination of them.
<The sand is fine.>
Sand it is, then.  I'm sure he'll be happy to leave the small "guest tank" and go back to his 29g.
I do also have some comments about the article "There's a Dragon in my Tank"- I would have liked to email the author directly but there was no email in the article.... so hopefully this will reach her.
<It has>
I appreciate your patience :)
[...]
<Definitely does not swim like any other "fish" I've seen.>
Nope.  But it's the coolest thing I've seen in my tanks since the molly's last brood of babies :)
"This is not a fish for beginner aquarists or even experienced freshwater aquarists beginning in brackish water.">
Why on earth not?
<Mostly because of their difficulty to feed.  Many starve to death,
considering their poor eyesight & distaste for flakes.>
I can definitely see that.  Actually tankmates seem to be the biggest problem - I tried a few mollies, but the females actually gorged themselves eating their flake food and then his food (they were sick on the bottom the next day with tummyaches - but fine now).  After I took out the 2 females, the male started chasing the Dragon around trying to mate with him (it sounds funnier than it was- but I can't help laughing when I say it).  Maybe
guppies would be nicer. Anyway, for now the little fella will just have to have the tank to himself.  I was thinking about getting a Knight Goby... maybe a couple of Bumblebees, and make it a brackish goby tank.  Any comments or suggestions on tankmates?   I know that 29g is not a very big tank, I'm still thinking on it.
<<Other gobies should work well.>>
Nobody should ever take on any animal without knowing what their needs are and being prepared to meet them.
<If only everyone thought like you!  Then I wouldn't be so busy helping fix all the mistakes everyone makes, because they didn't do any research of any kind & bought this really cool purple dragon that their LFS told them would be fine in their FW community tank, with just a little bit of salt & flakes for food.>
Well thank you :)  I've been involved with avian rescue for some years... the stupidity never fails to amaze me, both on the part of the people who buy parrots and the stores that sell them. By the time our organization sees them the stories get pretty sad.  ("What, you didn't KNOW that a wild animal in your home will behave like a wild animal?  Millions of years of evolution will be undone just because you brought this creature indoors?")  So I know
where you're coming from.  By all means - carry on, carry on - and thank you again for your time :).  
<<Glad you understand my intent.>>
Attached is a photo of Smaug, if you would like to have more "dragon" photos for the web site, I will send you some more when I take better ones and the tank is all finished settling in :).  Also attached is a photo of my African grey parrot feeding peanut butter to my dog (just because it's cute)  LOL
<<Very cute--thanks for sharing!  ~PP>>

 Dragon Goby--Sand  2/15/07
Thank you so much for all your help.
Just so's you know - the sand is perfect, he *LOVES* it :)
<Wonderful, glad to help.  ~PP>

Dragon gobies    5/21/07
I know that there isn't much info on these fish but I know that more is  being discovered.
<There's actually lots about these fishes in the aquarium press. Take a look at the Aqualog brackish water fishes book, or perhaps my one from TFH. Goby scientist Naomi Delventhal covered this species in considerable depth in her chapter on gobies.>
I went to Wal-Mart (yes, bad idea, but I had to rescue  them from there) and bought 1 dragon goby, a 10 gallon tank some rocks  and plants.
<10 gallons far too small. A healthy specimen will reach 30 cm or so within the first year, and up to 50 cm when fully grown.>
Cleaned all and put him in. At the store he was all swimmy but once he settled in he became secluded (which I know is common) what I'd like to know about are his uncommon traits. The water is not brackish, yet he seems to be doing fine.
<These are indeed hardy fish, and will tolerate freshwater conditions for long periods. BUT NOT FOREVER.>
His tank mates are a snail, a Pleco, 12 swordtails (male and female), a very docile female crown beta that itself is very social, and some unknown number of ghost shrimp.
<None of these fishes are really suitable, except maybe the swordtails, which will do okay in brackish water at SG 1.005. Swordtails don't like brackish water, but at low salinity it won't harm them.>
Now, I didn't notice him eating before, but noticed he's been living for a few weeks now and my shrimp population is dwindling...
<When starving, dragon gobies will eat shrimps and small fish. Their normal and preferred diet is a mixture of infaunal invertebrates (worms and insect larvae, for example) plus algae. They also filter feed from the water (live brine shrimp are ideal). It is likely you are not giving the goby enough food to eat, and since he's hungry, he's eating what he can. Bear in mind that when properly cared for these are NOT PREDATORY, and people have kept them with even guppies and not lost any fish.>
So, someone suggested I feed him algae wafers, so I did which he seems to like. (He does the whole gulp and inhale nibble thing).
<Quite so. The little teeth in his mouth are for scraping algae from rocks. Try offering some fresh algae, e.g. sushi Nori, and see if he goes for that.>
My questions being,
One: if my swordfish mate, will he eat the eggs?
<Swordfish don't lay eggs, they produce live babies. If properly cared for the goby will ignore them, but if hungry he will eat them. But your swordtails will do that, too.>
Two: even though he is doing ok in freshwater, should I put him in brackish anyway?
<Yes, he needs a bigger, brackish water tank. At least 30 gallons, and ideally 55 gallons.>
Three: I know this is asked a lot, but how can I mate the dragons (hoping for new info)? Do I just buy many and hope for the best?
<Not been done yet, and probably complex. Many of these brackish water gobies lay eggs in burrows but the baby fish are planktonic, drifting around in the sea for a couple of months. Anyway, the first step is getting a group of them. They are territorial. In  a big tank people do keep them in groups, and they are quite fun like that. The fish "fight" by lining alongside each other, and push one another to see who is the strongest. Either way, each fish must have a PVC tube burrow of its own.>
Four: should I put my goby pal on a diet and try to feed him live food vs. wafers?
<He needs BOTH. They are filter feeders AND algae eaters, so doing just the one thing is wrong. A mixed diet of frozen bloodworms, live brine shrimp, and algae pellets is an excellent starting point. Watching them filter feed the brine shrimp is terrific fun -- they swim in the water, gulping the brine shrimp into their huge mouths like baleen whales!>
Thank you for your time!
-Dave
<No problems, and good luck.>

Violet goby not eating   4/12/07
I have a violet goby.
<By which I assume you mean Gobioides sp., a large, greyish fish with a big mouth and tiny eyes, right? This is, as I hope you know, a brackish water fish, and needs 25-50% salinity to do well, i.e., SG 1.005-1.010. It will not do well in freshwater though, and will likely die kept under such conditions.>
It has been doing well for a good three months but in the last 3 days it has stopped eating and it's face has begun to look emaciated.
<This often happens in freshwater aquaria when brackish water fishes are kept in such tanks. So, first question, what water conditions do you have? If in freshwater, it is doomed, so please provide brackish water conditions. Aquarium tonic salt is *not* acceptable here, you need proper marine salt mix.>
I don't know what to do I try to put food near him so that he doesn't have to go far to eat but he just doesn't seem to care.
<What foods are you offering? These are algae eaters and filter feeders, so you need to give them algae and tiny, tiny foods such as brine shrimp however large and predatory they may look. They prefer to sift sand when feeding, and will gulp the sand, spit it out, and extract the goodies they find in it. They will also scrape algae from rocks (that's what their teeth are for). They also enjoy small or broken algae pellets, bloodworms, blackworms, and chopped earthworms. They have little interest in larger foods such as river shrimp or feeder fish, whatever the retailers sometimes suggest.>
Do you have any ideas of what to do?
<Well, first check the living conditions: you want brackish water, a soft, sandy substrate, and suitable burrows for the fish to hide away in (PVC tubes are ideal, but hollow ornaments will do fine). Secondly, the usual things: check the pH (at least 7.5) and the hardness ("hard" on whatever scale you use). Thirdly, reflect on its tankmates. Because they are essentially blind, they cannot compete with fast-moving things like scats and Monos. Far better to keep them with other slow-moving species such as fat sleepers and flatfish. Fourthly, do bear in mind they need lots of space. These are among the largest of all gobies, and your specimen has the potential to reach around 50cm/20 inches in length. Hope this helps! Neale>






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