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need coral expertise... and spell-, grammar checking... Allelopathy  12/29/09
hi WWM I wrote you once before and you linked pages of info that did not answer my question and I'm here with more info than I provided before.
<... Please run your writing through your English software...>
my original question was about over inflating in Euphyllias which I still have no answer for but there are other tank puzzlers that I forgot to mention last time...
<... Where is the previous correspondence?>
my corals are growing and dividing, and yet I'm seeing:
*hyper inflation of my frogspawn and hammer corals
<Mmm, some of this behavior is "natural"... cleansing, feeding... But Euphylliids who expand a good deal of the time are "fighting"... other Cnidarian life>
*Birdsnest is growing branches but polyps appear just protruding.
*a few Zoanthids or Palythoas (unsure which, these don't share a common mat) are oddly misshapen (imagine you have 20 fingers on one hand and you break every bone in off directions)
*almost all of my various Montiporas have the strangest cases of inflated flesh (little translucent pockets of fluid that can be popped without killing the coral) and yet their growth rate is fantastic I am puzzled to death to the point of stress over it, nothing is dying but I'm going through hoops trying to solve the issue.
currently I have switched to Brightwell aquatics Neomarine salt and am doing 5g water changes every day to achieve a full system change over from IO. on gallon 25 out of 110g today.
switched to Brightwell 2 part additive from B-ionic 2 part Alk-calcium.
<Both are fine products IMEstimation>
changed my lights from current usa bulbs to Giesemann 48" T5's
3 Aquablue+ and 3 actinic+
I don't know what else to do to resolve this.
<Chemical filtration likely... moving the colonies apart... but above all: Reading>
I cannot for the life of me find on any web site another case of any of the afore mentioned.
tank specs before I started the water change regiment (no point in testing all parameters until I'm done, or half way through)
temp 80
salinity 35ppt via calibrated refractometer
ph 8.2
calcium 420
Alk 3 mEq/l or 8.4 DKH
Mag 1280
amm nitrite nitrates all 0 (could be false, Caulerpa growing like weeds in fuge) picture examples....
translucent bubbles in rainbow Montipora flesh are the really puzzling and frustrating thing.
pictures attached. I hope you can make out what I'm in question of and more so have an answer as to what in the world (or ocean) could cause these oddities
~Tim H
links to photos, I could not up load the large file sizes
<Appreciated. Read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>

Also, I see a good deal of Cyanobacteria/BGA in your pix... this, or what you may be trying to chemically treat it with could be harming and irritating your stinging-celled life. BobF

Euphyllia corals... Puffy!   11/25/09
Hi all at WWM, I bring to you a very odd frogspawn AND hammer coral issue!
I have multihead of both, 3 or 4 on each, and they have been (for months now) OVERINFLATED!
<Mmm, summat going on here>
I don't have any other way to describe it, I have spent hours on Google and other sites trying to find any similar cases with only one match on nanoreefs.com who had a case similar with a torch coral and no answers only questions.
these corals look as though a balloon inflated to their maximum.
<Perhaps interacting w/ each other... my best guess so far...>
tank parameters.
75g tank 55g sump 130 total volume max likely 110g after displacement.
ammonia 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 0
calcium 425
Alk 3 mEq/l .... 8.4 DKH
Mag 1320
sp/g 35ppt
po4 0
<All Cnidarians need some nitrate and phosphate...>
temp 80-82
PH 8.2
ATO system with RO/DI water keeps tank amazingly stable and I have twin 120mm 115v ac cooling fans in the sump which keep tanks temp stable and oxygen exchange amazing. 6 48" T5 nova extreme pro w/ parabolic reflectors, plenty of flow (not too much on the corals in question) and titanium grounding probe just in case.
the hammer coral USED to have the distinct shapes and the frogspawn used to be what it should be and out of no where they started remaining over inflated and its mind boggling
here are some pics
I sure someone can help me because I have no clue at all.
more info the tank is SPS other than those 2.
~Tim H
<Either allelopathy as I first mentioned, or starvation... chemical or... What are you feeding these colonies?
Please read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/caryfdgfaqs.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>

Re: Euphyllia coral... Geo. Bush reader... i.e., not   11/26/09
I add to the tank oyster feast by reef nutrition, as well as Mysis shrimp
<... please see where you were referred>
which they tend to discard when direct fed, the corals in question are 7ish inches apart. a question, do they emit toxins as warfare?
<Ditto... yes>
I have trumpet corals half way across the tank that exhibit defensive behaviors out of the range of these corals (their sweepers are out 24/7)
<This is telling>
also, I have a percula clownfish that has hosted the frogspawn and I noticed the inflation in both colonies since the hosting, do they put out an SOS that would make a separate same family coral inflate as well???
<Read my friend... Don't write. Read. Bob Fenner>

Green Hammer coral with bulge -- 11/03/09
I often read your site and find it very useful when researching a question about my livestock, so thank you for the invaluable resource.
I have a hammer coral with bright green tips that has suddenly grown a big bulge in the flesh between the tentacles on one of the heads.
All the heads are still fully expanded and the specimen has been happily established for nearly two months.
The skin of the flesh over the bulge/bubble is almost transparent and I can see white flesh inside. There were no recent changes and the bubble appeared immediately after I had given a broadcast feed of frozen rotifers.
Any ideas what could be causing this?
<Happens... there are speculations re "cause"... but I can assure you that this is "natural", not-fatal>
Many thanks in advance
<Please read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/carydisf7.htm
For an identical situation. Bob Fenner>

Bubble Coral Split/Reproduction -- 10/21/2009
Here is a photo of my coral about 2 weeks ago, and here it is tonight.
I just noticed this about four days ago.
<Looks healthy and growing to me! Good job!>
It eats whole krill. 2 to 3 two times weekly, and it's a pig, but I thought these only budded. I didn't realize they split in two.
<These LPS typically grow in exactly this manner -- a single head will split, and become separate heads -- eventually forming their own separate skeletal structure in most cases.>
Am I seeing something wrong here or did it really split?
<Nope, looks dead on to me! This is a sign of good growth and abundant health -- keep it up! -JustinN>

Bubble Coral Split? -- 10/21/2009
Here is a photo of my coral about 2 weeks ago, and here it is tonight.
I just noticed this about four days ago.
It eats whole krill. 2 to 3 two times weekly, and it's a pig, but I thought these only budded. I didn't realize they split in two.
<Can, yes>
Am I seeing something wrong here or did it really split?
<Appears to be doing so... Like other members of the family Euphylliidae, Plerogyras can/do at times show such growth patterns. I would not "cleave" this specimen, as it can/will likely grow as one unit over time. Bob Fenner>

Re: Bubble Coral Split/Long-Tentacle Anemone Removal -- 10/22/2009
Thank you for your help! Justin and you, Bob, have been awesome.
<Glad to assist!>
My next question is what is "cleaving" and then, the next question has to do with another coral I have.
<I'm fairly certain the 'cleaving' Bob referred to, would also be known as 'fragging' -- often these individual coral polyps on these types of LPS are broken down into individual branches, each with their own polyp... He was recommending not to do this, as they will grow largely as one unit if uninhibited. Do correct me if I'm wrong here, Bob!><<This is what I intended. RMF>>
My Pagoda coral is about 9" across now, and I would like to make it smaller. How do you recommend going about that?
<Typically done with a diamond cutting blade attached to a Dremel or similar device -- just work slow.>
Last, but not least (sorry for the 3 part question), my anemone (whose photo I've enclosed) has outgrown my aquarium. He is a Long Tentacle Anemone I bought 1.5 years ago as a 2" specimen. (The clownfish in the photo was only around 1" long and the Coris Wrasse, about 2" long...Okay, I have to just put this in here...that male clownfish turned into a gold barred maroon this year. They both took 3 years turn colors and she's about 4" long now and bites. ). I have included both photos so you can see the incredible amount of growth over a year and half of my Long Tentacle Anemone. His rate is around 1" monthly.
The problem is, if you notice, he's outgrown his environment and I am afraid he will begin stinging corals. I can't get him loose. I tried to move him to his own aquarium, but I can't seem to get him to come loose, even using a big soup spoon. He's approximately 18" tall when he's floofing in my tank.
<Allelopathy is a very real possibility here -- I have read varying methods for removing such anemones (or at least getting them to loosen their grip a bit) by using somewhat direct flow from a powerhead, as well as some ice against the glass where its foot is resting -- do be careful with the ice suggestion, if the temperature differential is too high, the glass could potentially crack.>
Thank you in advance for your very welcome and knowledgeable expertise.
<Glad to provide it! -JustinN>

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