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Completely cycled... soft/er, acidic water; frequent
partial water changes... no more than 20 ppm of nitrate
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White circle around Rummynose eye
3/31/20
Dear WWM,
Thank you for the excellent guidance you provide, it helps us to enhance our
understanding of the wet pets.
<Thanks for these kind words!>
The attached picture is of one of my 7 Rummynose tetras who would be about
2.5 years old in the tank. It has developed this white circle around the
left eye but Its behavior is otherwise normal. Swimming, interested in food
and energetic. I think another one of the group is also showing a trace of
something similar in 1 eye.
<Looks like 'Pop-eye', or Exophthalmia.>
Some details of the tank: It is a 29 gallon heavily planted non CO2 tank in
its 9th year. Mostly slow growing plants, LED lighting on 8.5 hr. timer.
Fish include various small tetras, Corydoras cats, Bristle nose and whiptail
plecs, cherry barbs, Kuhli loaches which seldom show up, and a pair of
Bolivian Rams. Filtered by three 500 l/hr. HOB filters with ceramic media,
sponge, SeaChem de nitrate. pH 7.5 (stable), TDS 225 ppm in meter, NO3 about
30. Small dosing of DIY macros every other day and weekly with Flourish
Comprehensive and Iron alternatively. Indian summer is pushing the temp up
to 28.5 C and then the chiller brings in down to 26.5. This happens at least
4 times a day, so might be a source of temperature fluctuation related
stress. Bi weekly water change of 50 percent. No live food, Hikari, Ocean
Nutrition, Tetra and NLS flakes and pellets
Can you please tell me what might be wrong? And do I need to intervene?
<If the pop-eye is a single eye, the chances are you're dealing with
physical injury. The use of Epsom salt (1-3 teaspoons per 5 gallons/20
litres) is useful for reducing the swelling. This will raise the general
hardness a bit, but across a few weeks won't do any harm. Beyond that,
there's nothing much to be done, and with luck the swelling will go down.
If both eyes are popping, that's more serious, and tends to imply
environmental stress or a bacterial infection.>
Please stay safe and healthy.
<And likewise to you and yours.>
Thanks and regards
Devakalpa
<Hope this helps, Neale.>
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Re: White circle around Rummynose eye
4/1/20
Dear Neale,
Thanks for the details. I am afraid that the affected fish did not survive.
I did not see it in the morning, so must have been consumed by the other
inhabitants.
<Oh dear. Let's hope nothing contagious was passed between them.>
I am doing a major water change and cleaning filters. Other fish and inverts
seem normal for now.
Regards
Devakalpa
<Well, good luck with remaining livestock. Take care, Neale.>
Re: White circle around Rummynose eye <<RMF LOOK for update>>
4/3/20
Dear Neale,
Thank you.
<Welcome.>
I saw on the WWM website that our mail exchange has been published but the
second message and its response is missing. May be it will be updated later.
<I believe this is what Bob F does, as the days, weeks pass.>
I wonder if that discontinuity might misguide someone later who could
associate the picture/symptom with PopEye only and miss out on your updated
prognosis of a possible bacterial infection, likely columnaris.
<Understood. It may well be that Bob will collate both/all massages, making
it clear where we went with this.>
Please consider not publishing this message.
<Noted; Bob?>
<<I am only finding the posting from 3/31 and 4/1... is there another? RMF>>
Thanks and records
Devakalpa
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: White circle around Rummynose eye
4/6/20
Dear WWM,
<Dev.>
I am so sorry to have confused you. Please find attached the complete
correspondence.
When I requested 'please consider not publishing *this* mail', I meant the
same mail itself as that had nothing about the fish health question, but on
missing portions of our correspondence on your website. So I felt it might
not be necessary to be archived. I will request the same for the current
mail as well.
Stay safe, stay well. This too shall pass.
Thanks and regards
Devakalpa
<IS all posted as far as Neale and I are aware. Please find here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwdailyfaqs.htm
Bob Fenner>
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Tetra sudden illness 3/4/19
Howdy,
<Doody,>
We’ve a 29 gal tank we clean & test weekly. Normal ranges. 5 Serpae tetras, 3
other tetras (silver?) a loach and a Pleco. been with us 2+ years with no
problems. Everyone ELSE is fine.
<Cool.>
Between yesterday morning roll call and today’s, this Serpae tetra went ghost
pale, floating weird a la swim bladder, and I think he/she looks bloated. Wedged
itself into plant leaves. And stopped moving & swimming. Infrequent breathing.
Any ideas on illness?
<Hard to say. Small tetras sometimes contract diseases that are all very similar
in appearance (lethargy, loss of colour, disinterest in food, perhaps social
behaviour oddities like leaving the group and hiding instead). In some cases
they are bacterial, in others microbes of other types, like Pleistophora. In all
honesty, with these very small fishes, it's often best to simply euthanise to
reduce the risk of cross-infection. Clove Oil does the job nicely.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/euthanasia.htm
Serpae Tetras are generally very tough, legendarily so, though they are also
notoriously nippy towards other fish and aggressive towards their own kind,
especially when feeding. There are some lookalike species (such as Ember Tetras)
that aren't nearly so tough, and don't handle hard water (for example) as long
as Serpae Tetras. So I'd keep an open mind in that direction, too. Cheers,
Neale.>
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Help with neon tetra 6/15/17
<12 megs; groan....>
Dear Crew at Wet Web Media,
Tank - 100 liter
Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 15, GH 10, KH 7, PH 7.5
8 cherry barb, 8 emperor tetra, 7 neon tetra, 2 phantom tetra
Fluval external canister filter, internal air driven sponge filter.
I have previously kept a 50 liter tank and decided to move to a 100 liter about
6 months ago. I quarantined all fish for 6 weeks and tank was cycled from the
start as I used media from old tank.
After about a month in the main tank, one of the Neons developed a white
lump on both sides of the tail on the red part. These grew very slowly
for about a month and another smaller lump developed on its side, closer to the
middle of its body. Once or twice one of the lumps seemed to exude a white
substance which then went after a day or two but the lump remained. Otherwise
the fish swam, ate and behaved normally. Eventually, the lumps got wider and the
fish started to have trouble breathing but was still trying to eat etc. I
decided to euthanise with clove oil. This was a week ago. Just today, I noticed
another neon has developed a small but telltale white lump in the same red
pigmented area. I don't know what to do as I have no idea what it is. Fungus,
Columnaris, neon tetra disease,
<This likely: Pleistophora hyphessobryconis>
I've looked them all up but none of them really fit. Because of this I did not
medicate as it seemed like I was firing in the dark. If you have any advice or
just a hunch as to what it could be I would really appreciate it.
The worst thing is that it doesn't really fit any one disease That are common to
neon tetra.
<See here as an example:
http://www.theaquariumguide.com/articles/neon-tetra-disease
Bob Fenner>
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Re: Help with neon tetra 6/16/17
Hello,
<Vic>
Thank you for your quick reply.
<Welcome>
Could I just ask you, if it is Neon Tetra Disease, can it infect my other
fish, being cherry barb, emperor and phantom tetra?
<Unfortunately, yes. More likely the other Tetras, but the Barbs as well>
Also, I assumed it was a very fast acting disease, killing the fish quickly,
so in my case can the disease be chronic, and take over a month to kill the
fish?
<At times; yes>
Many thanks,
Vicki
<As many welcomes. BobF>
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Ember Tetra black spots 12/29/16
Dear WWM,
Season's Greetings and best wishes for a happy 2017. Thanks for the awesome
job you keep doing.
<And thanks for the kind words.>
The attached image is of a few of my Ember Tetras of a group of 11 that have
been living happily for about 1.5 years in a heavily planted 29 gallon. Tank
is it its 6th year. Quick question: any idea what those black spots/marks
along the lateral line of the biggest fish signify? Or are they more likely
to be deposits internally along the spine? I do not have a
microscope so cannot sample a tissue scrape.
<They have the speckled, regular appearance of melanophores rather than
sharp black spots or cysts. So my assumption here is that they're part of
the fish rather than a parasite. Why is more difficult to answer! Sometimes
melanophores change colour for normal, such as sexual, reasons. Sometimes
fish turn the melanophores up or down because of ambient conditions such as
lighting (Moonlight Gouramis famously have a black band that appears only
under dim lighting). Sometimes they get 'jammed' in an unusual state by
damage to the nerves. Sometimes they're simply different because of
genetics, whether a mutation in this particular Ember tetra or because this
isn't actually a typical Ember tetra but an example of a related species or
hybrid. Bottom line, if the fish is behaving normally, I wouldn't worry.>
Tank has other tetras, Corys, a pair of Agassiz's, a Pearl Gourami and a
pair of Bristle Nose Pleco
High nitrates >40 ppm, pH 6.5, TDS 180 ish, 30 percent water change weekly.
Fed Hikari Micro Pellets, Tetra pellets, Ocean Nutrition Spirulina and brine
shrimp flakes, NLS Thera A and occasionally freeze dried blood and Tubifex
worms.
Tank has had episodes of what was diagnosed as NTD in Neons and Black Neons
and affected fishes euthanized as per your suggestion.
<Probably wise.>
Should mention that I add 4 ml 2 percent Glutaraldehyde daily to augment
CO2.
Any input will be most be most helpful.
Have a great year-end and thanks again,
Regards
Devakalpa
<And to you, too. Cheers, Neale.>
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Re: Ember Tetra black spots 12/30/16
Dear Neale,
Thanks for the super fast and clarifying reply. I'll let things be, but keep a
watchful eye - my favourite approach to the hobby.
Regards
Devakalpa
<Glad to have helped! Good luck, Neale.>
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Tetras with white mouths (and a bit about rosy barbs)
3/19/15
Hi Crew,
I'd like to thank you once more for your previous advice, last time I wrote
about a suspected case of Ich which is now resolved. I've had no more fish
deaths since losing the last of the extra rosy barbs that I bought from the LFS,
sadly Pinkie succumbed to his saddle ulcer in the end. I had him quarantined for
the last week or so of his time, and whatever he had does not seem to have
affected the rest of my fish. I still see the occasional white or clear stringy
droppings from the rosy barbs but I am starting to suspect this is a result of
them accidentally ingesting sand then excreting it in mucus as there are plenty
of green and brown droppings too and they all seem healthy otherwise.
<Mmmm; what re water quality, foods/feeding, maintenance practices?>
Currently my 30gal tank has one head and tail light tetra, three adult
rosy barbs, and all 16 of the barb offspring (ranging from 1cm to 2.5cm).
I'm aware that this will be far too many rosy barbs when they grow up
so I'm hoping to find a home for them in the big aquarium at work which
currently only has a single small fancy (ugly) goldfish.
<Should be moved elsewhere>
I'm not sure that this will be a compatible mix though since even if 5+ barbs
are added to keep them well behaved and not nippy, I think they might dominate
at feeding time due to being more able-bodied and they might starve out the
goldfish. Thoughts?
<All should get along w/ the GF removed>
The other option I have in mind is to set up better filtering in the backyard
pond and to put some back out there. A lone
stray barb fry survived 2 weeks out there during the hottest part of summer, he
was too good at hiding and got left behind when I brought the others that had
hatched out there inside, so I think the pond does get enough shade to
keep the temperature down. Winters here are mild too.
<Good... barbs might live there; but not the Tetras likely in the winter>
With the threat of ich and Columnaris gone I have bought four more head and tail
light tetras to keep my singleton Mr. Beacon company.
<Good name>
I've been trialing different plants in the main tank and do intend to keep it
heavily planted (despite the best efforts of the barbs to eat/uproot everything,
I've been finding this constant battle part of the fun of keeping fish) so I am
hoping the HATL tetras will be happy in the environment. The LFS does not stock
these tetras so I bought them online and besides, I hoped to
avoid a known source of diseased fish. When they got here, two of them had white
coloured patches on their mouths, and one of them was very sickly, limp and
skinny looking.
<I see this in your excellent pix>
My initial thoughts were that they may have scuffed their mouths against the
plastic bag in transit, or gotten feisty with each other since they were all
together in the one small bag, and gotten injured while fighting. The bag wasn't
a breather bag and the skinny fish did perk up once out of the bag and in
quarantine, he hides a bit but his appetite seems okay and his belly is filling
out a bit more; he could have been underfed or oxygen starved maybe but I'm a
little suspicious that he could have fish TB or some other disease that could
cause skinniness. I've treated them with Praziquantel so far just in case they
were skinny due to worms.
<Mmm; possibly>
I'm using the tank that the baby fish used to be in, the tetras have been in
quarantine for a week now and I think that in two of them the white mark has
gotten smaller but noticed today that a third one has a white mouth too. I'm a
little worried it could be Columnaris not a wound, or a wound that got infected
with Columnaris.
<Maybe>
I've attached some pictures, and also a picture of one of the friends I got for
the false penguin tetra (they have their own tank now due to being too rough!)
who has a similar mark. I don't know if it is just that these tetras fight or
swim into things a lot; the quarantine tank that the four HATL tetras are in is
too small and I know they aren't happy with the amount of space they have. I'm
wary of treating with anything beyond a little bit of salt for now
<Good>
and I'm just hoping after another week or two in quarantine nothing will have
worsened and I can get them into the bigger tank. Anyway I just don't have the
experience to tell whether these white mouthed fish are injured or diseased or
both. Hope you can help.
<Not w/ the data (or lack of it) provided>
I did end up getting a RO/filter system which has a mixer tap and a TDS inline
meter allowing adjustment for both drinking water and aquarium water. I still
don't quite have my head around converting TDS ppm to general hardness degrees -
I did read somewhere that dividing ppm by 10 will loosely approximate French
degrees but then I don't know whether French or German degrees are more commonly
used.
<German... the D in these measures is for "Deutschen">
I haven't had any further shrimp deaths due to failed moults since I've started
using 50-70ppm water for my shrimp tank so it's definitely helping. I'm
wondering whether I should still be letting my RO-mix change water stand
before I use it;
<Yes I would... at least a day; better, a week>
I haven't been, because I thought that it was only necessary to allow time for
water treatment chemicals to do their work but is letting water stand useful for
other reasons?
<Mmm; yes.... settling, combination.... of metals, non-metals... outgassing of
undesirable gasses>
I have a 20lt plastic jerry can which I store the water in, this doesn't allow
much exposure to atmosphere so should this
water be agitated? Or just tipped into buckets?
<Tipped is fine, aeration/circulation better>
Ok sorry this got to be a lot longer than I originally intended! I really
appreciate the time you take with educating new hobbyists like me and reading
our rambling emails.
<We appreciate the opportunity to interchange w/ intelligent, sensitive folk
like you>
I've still got a lot of reading that I want to do regarding Corydoras as I have
decided I'd like a biotope tank rather
than putting them in the community and making them compete with greedy barbs,
and I think it would be easier to manage water softness and ph if I start again
and do things differently in a new tank.
Thanks once again and I hope you have a great day.
Bronwen
<Welcome. Bob Fenner> |
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Re: Tetras with white mouths (and a bit about rosy barbs)
3/20/15 /Neale
With regards to the barbs occasional odd dropping, they are fed once daily or
twice if I don't have time to watch them in the morning. If I am in a hurry they
get a quick pinch of flake and then I take a bit more time in the evening feed
to watch how much they are eating.
<Fine. Barbs are omnivores that will eat algae, some plant matter between
"proper" meals.>
I have some frozen community blocks which contain both meaty and plant
materials, I usually give this two to three times a week (slicing off a small
amount and feeding little by little trying to avoid over feeding). I have some
Spirulina sinking pellets (also contains other ingredients) that I bought for
the shrimp but proved to be very popular with the barbs, they will carry the
pellets around spitting them out and sucking them up again, gradually working on
them until they soften up.
<Quite so, and an excellent staple for your fish... good nutrition, plenty of
exercise, economical. My Cherry Barbs are fed these alongside the Limia they
cohabit with.>
I crush some up for the younger fish but they seem to manage okay on full sized
pellets, worrying at them until they break into smaller bits. I have some
meatier pellets, with a higher protein content but they are not as popular so I
don't feed those very often.
<Indeed. These fish are omnivores, and plant material is a significant part of
the diet of most/all barbs in the wild.>
They get smushed up frozen peas, thawed and peeled, every few days which they
love. If I find a patch of snail eggs I will knock it off the glass and the
female adult barb in particular loves munching on those.
Occasionally I net some mosquito larva from either the pond or the snail tub and
these make a popular snack.
<Sure.>
I believe they have eaten some of the Ramshorn snails that were in their tank,
there are a growing number of empty shells visible on the bottom, and they
definitely rip at the Java moss, Hydrilla, Rotala, and Hydrocotyle plants
constantly. I'm pretty sure they ate 90% of the fissidens moss I added too, and
almost all of the hair grass is gone too now that I think
about it. I was worried at first that they were doing this because I wasn't
feeding them enough but they were still doing it when I tried feeding them twice
a day which I decided was too much. I think if they like eating fresh plants
then they should be allowed to eat fresh plants so I've been growing more
Hydrilla in a tank outside for them since that's the one they stripped
to bare stems first of all.
<Indeed. Try floating Indian Fern and Amazon Frogbit, two favourites with many
barbs.>
I don't often see the tetra eat, he hangs back while the barbs feed so I always
attempt to get a pinch of flake to his part of the tank. He doesn't like me
scrutinising him though and moves front on so that he's hard to see. He does get
interested in the frozen food and will test and spit out various particles of it
until he finds one that he likes, I'm hoping he gets a bit more confidence once
his fellow tetras join him, I've been feeding them a small amount of flake daily
and they get quite excited at
feeding time so I think in a group his instincts will kick in if he sees a lot
of feeding action going on around him.
<Tetras are frequently more carnivorous, especially the smaller ones Neons,
Penguins, various Hyphessobrycon species and so on. They often enjoy Daphnia and
the like. On the other hand, do bear in mind some tetras are much more retiring
than Barbs. Put another way, many South American tetras come from blackwater
streams with very little productivity. They've evolved to expend as little
energy as possible between meals. Barbs typically come from ponds and streams
with much more productivity and a lot more for them to eat. They've evolved to
be more "busy" and expend their energy in all sorts of foraging and social
behaviours. In other words, tetras wait for food to come to them, while barbs
seek it out and if necessary push competitors away. Funnily enough, those barbs
from blackwater streams (like Pentazona Barbs) are much more like Neons and
other tetras in personality.
In any event, if you understand the environment the barb or tetra species come
from, cohabiting different species from among them will work better.
Tiger Barbs are bolshy, so mixing with pushy characins like Black Widows makes
sense. Rosy Barbs are subtropical to boot, so you'd choose only low-end tropical
tetras for life with them, perhaps Buenos Aires Tetras.
Does this make sense?>
I haven't measured my water parameters for a while but for a long time I was
getting pH steady at 8 (despite driftwood and almond leafs) ammonia 0, nitrite 0
and nitrate 5-10. I do weekly water changes and fortnightly rinses of the gunk
from the filter. I try weekly to vacuum the gravel in the gravelly parts of the
tank and skim the surface of the sand in the sandy parts of the tank but I don't
know how effective a job I do. I always see gunk being sucked up the tube but
everything looks even messier than when I started once I've tipped the new water
in.
<Sounds good. Cheers, Neale.>
Tetras with white mouths (and a bit about rosy barbs)
/Neale 3/21/15
Hi Crew,
I'd like to thank you once more for your previous advice, last time I wrote
about a suspected case of Ich which is now resolved. I've had no more fish
deaths since losing the last of the extra rosy barbs that I bought from the LFS,
sadly Pinkie succumbed to his saddle ulcer in the end. I had him quarantined for
the last week or so of his time, and whatever he had does not seem to have
affected the rest of my fish. I still see the occasional white or clear stringy
droppings from the rosy barbs but I am starting to suspect this is a result of
them accidentally ingesting sand then excreting it in mucus as there are plenty
of green and brown droppings too and they all seem healthy otherwise.
<Smooth silica sand should be fine... but anything abrasive or sharp, like some
of the glass-byproduct sands (Tahitian Moon Sand for example) could be risky.>
Currently my 30gal tank has one head and tail light tetra, three adult rosy
barbs, and all 16 of the barb offspring (ranging from 1cm to 2.5cm). I'm aware
that this will be far too many rosy barbs when they grow up so I'm hoping to
find a home for them in the big aquarium at work which currently only has a
single small fancy (ugly) goldfish. I'm not sure that this will
be a compatible mix though since even if 5+ barbs are added to keep them well
behaved and not nippy, I think they might dominate at feeding time due to being
more able-bodied and they might starve out the goldfish. Thoughts?
<It can work, in big tanks with robust Comet-type Goldfish and decent sized
schools of Rosy Barbs. But fancy Goldfish are less able to keep out of trouble.
It really isn't predictable. Worth trying but keep a Plan B in case it doesn't
work out.>
The other option I have in mind is to set up better filtering in the backyard
pond and to put some back out there. A lone stray barb fry survived 2 weeks out
there during the hottest part of summer, he was too good at hiding and got left
behind when I brought the others that had hatched out there inside, so I think
the pond does get enough shade to keep the temperature down. Winters here are
mild too.
<Rosy Barbs are subtropical and could thrive down to about 15 C, but below that
would be risky.>
With the threat of ich and Columnaris gone I have bought four more head and tail
light tetras to keep my singleton Mr. Beacon company. I've been trialing
different plants in the main tank and do intend to keep it heavily planted
(despite the best efforts of the barbs to eat/uproot everything, I've been
finding this constant battle part of the fun of keeping fish) so I am hoping the
HATL tetras will be happy in the environment. The LFS does not stock these
tetras so I bought them online
and besides, I hoped to avoid a known source of diseased fish. When they got
here, two of them had white coloured patches on their mouths, and one of them
was very sickly, limp and skinny looking. My initial thoughts were that they may
have scuffed their mouths against the plastic bag in transit, or gotten feisty
with each other since they were all together in the one
small bag, and gotten injured while fighting. The bag wasn't a breather bag and
the skinny fish did perk up once out of the bag and in quarantine, he hides a
bit but his appetite seems okay and his belly is filling out a bit more; he
could have been underfed or oxygen starved maybe but I'm a little suspicious
that he could have fish TB or some other disease that could
cause skinniness. I've treated them with Praziquantel so far just in case they
were skinny due to worms.
<Fish TB is difficult to diagnose and impossible to treat. It's less contagious
and more like an epidemic that breaks out when fish get stressed (diet, poor
water quality, lack of oxygen, etc.). So I tend not to worry about Fish TB but
instead focus on optimising living conditions for the fish. Usually "mystery
deaths" either sort themselves out or else all the vulnerable fish die. Adding
medications randomly is a bit hit and miss, and while PraziPro isn't
particularly risky, do be careful about medicating
without diagnosis.>
I'm using the tank that the baby fish used to be in, the tetras have been in
quarantine for a week now and I think that in two of them the white mark has
gotten smaller but noticed today that a third one has a white mouth too. I'm a
little worried it could be Columnaris not a wound, or a wound that got infected
with Columnaris. I've attached some pictures, and also a picture of one of the
friends I got for the false penguin tetra (they have their own tank now due to
being too rough!) who has a similar mark. I don't know if it is just that these
tetras fight or swim into things a lot; the quarantine tank that the four HATL
tetras are in is too small and I know they aren't happy with the amount of space
they have. I'm wary of treating
with anything beyond a little bit of salt for now and I'm just hoping after
another week or two in quarantine nothing will have worsened and I can get them
into the bigger tank. Anyway I just don't have the experience to tell whether
these white mouthed fish are injured or diseased or both. Hope you can help.
<Well, the photos look more like fighting damage, perhaps a bit of Finrot or
Columnaris thrown in. Another option: swimming into solid objects (like the
glass) when alarmed. So for this one turn the lights on more carefully and see
what happens. So far as fighting goes, watch your fish, add more of each species
to dilute aggression (if an option) and medicate as per Finrot
and Columnaris.>
I did end up getting a RO/filter system which has a mixer tap and a TDS inline
meter allowing adjustment for both drinking water and aquarium water. I still
don't quite have my head around converting TDS ppm to general hardness degrees -
I did read somewhere that dividing ppm by 10 will loosely approximate French
degrees but then I don't know whether French or German degrees are more commonly
used. I haven't had any further shrimp deaths due to failed moults since I've
started using 50-70ppm water for my shrimp tank so it's definitely helping. I'm
wondering whether I should still be letting my RO-mix change water stand before
I use it; I haven't been, because I thought that it was only necessary to allow
time for water treatment chemicals to do their work but is letting water stand
useful for other reasons? I have a 20lt plastic jerry can which I store the
water in, this doesn't allow much exposure to atmosphere so should this water be
agitated? Or just tipped into buckets?
<Bob's a big fan of overnight "resting" of water, ideally with an airstone, but
not essential. I'm less fussed, and just avoid changing huge amounts of water.
Basically, if you just change 20-25% of the water at a time, and use a water
conditioner, you shouldn't need to worry too much about resting the tap water.
Freshwater fish are very much more adaptable than marine fish. Think about rain
falling into a pond.>
Ok sorry this got to be a lot longer than I originally intended! I really
appreciate the time you take with educating new hobbyists like me and reading
our rambling emails. I've still got a lot of reading that I want to do regarding
Corydoras as I have decided I'd like a biotope tank rather than putting them in
the community and making them compete with greedy
barbs, and I think it would be easier to manage water softness and ph if I start
again and do things differently in a new tank.
<Possibly. I'm a big fan of sticking with the water chemistry you have, and
choosing your fish accordingly. That said, a 50/50 mix of RO water and liquid
rock tap water should produce a happy medium that suits most community fish.>
Thanks once again and I hope you have a great day.
Bronwen
<Most welcome. Neale.>
Tetras with white mouths (and a bit about rosy barbs)
3/21/15
Hi again Crew!
Thank you for your replies Bob and Neale. My heart says that I should move the
head and tail light tetras into the main tank to give them space and stop them
from squabbling or bumping into things, but my head says to give them another
week of quarantine to see how their mouth lesions develop.
<Agreed.>
I slept on this idea and this morning while one HATL tetra is still without
mouth issues, two of the other three look worse and the white patches seem to be
protruding more than they were yesterday. Although, having said that, I did use
a brighter light so that I could see them better, maybe the lesions were like
that all along and I just didn't see - normally they have half the tank in shade
c/o a black plastic garbage bag and the other half lit by a strip of dim LEDs. I
don't really think the lesions look fluffy, more so a bit ragged like the edge
of some peeled skin in places, and warty in others. However this fluff free
finding doesn't relax me at all, as Pinky's back ulcer was never fluffy either
and that evolved from a small lesion to a large fatal ulcer over the
Christmas/New Year break (I didn't have anything available except topical
treatments until it was too late). I
don't really want to give infection a chance to set in again, but I am mindful
also that these are different fish, from a different supplier, in a different
tank, with different looking lesions that are in a different location on the
fish, so I shouldn't expect a similar outcome to last time!
I want to wait a bit longer and observe them tomorrow with the same bright light
so that I can get a real idea if there is any progression. I do have
tetracycline (Bio-tet) or Metronidazole (generic looking yellow tablets)
available now for if the lesions worsen, although I'm not sure if I want to
treat all the fish, or only the ones that are showing visible lesions.
<I do think these mouth lesions are either plain vanilla dead tissue from
fighting or crashes into solid objects, or else incipient Columnaris.
Either way, treat with a suitable antibiotic, while also review conditions in
the tank.>
An observation on a different front, I would be hard pressed right now to pick
out which of these fish was the skinny sickly one from a week ago. All of them
have good colour and healthy looking bellies now. I am really looking forward to
seeing them school together in the big tank once they are done in quarantine! I
have discovered that my dad's compost heap has
Whiteworms in it as well as the big pink compost worms so I want to set up a new
clean worm culture for some tasty occasional snacks for the fish, which I hope
the tetras will like.
<Sounds a great idea.>
Speaking of which, the other fish haven't been eating my Ramshorn snails at all!
I found three snails fatally jammed in the filter inlet grille today.
I am guessing as the grille becomes more clogged with plant matter it becomes a
tempting place to graze for the snails but the increased suction as they clear a
blockage pulls them in to the inlet pipe and traps them there, where they die
since their shells can't follow. I have seen snails "hanging around" the inlet
pipe before but didn't realise this was happening. The filter pipe has probably
been slurping snails out of their shells all along as the barbs seem content to
bite their eyestalks off then
go back to ripping at the plants. I've adjusted the sponge that I put over the
grille so that only the most suicidal snails will be able to force their way in
there, and I will just have to remember to rinse the debris out more often.
<Hmm... some folks would endorse a filter with snail-killing properties...>
I've decided that it will probably be more humane to leave the fancy goldfish in
peace in the aquarium at work and to get a nice pond filter going to allow
rehoming the excess rosy barbs outside, I probably wouldn't be able to provide
adequate supervision to stop any possible mayhem that could occur with the work
goldfish. It does get a smidge under 15 deg C here over winter, but the pond
should get winter sun.
<Definitely worth trying, I reckon.>
If I can't work something out using either a solar pond cover or something
similar to harness solar warmth, I can always bring everyone back inside in a
temporary plastic crate for the coldest months.
<Both approaches make sense. Cutting down wind chill in winter with, say, a
bamboo cover of some sort might work nicely. On the other hand, bringing in some
or all of the Rosy Barbs before the coldest months start can work great, too.
Have known many aquarists do this, even in places like Ohio where the summers
are nice and hot but the winters rather severe. They had fish that bred
prolifically during the summer, but snuggled up indoors for the winter. It's an
ideal approach if you're careful, and I found Corydoras for example easily bred
this way.>
Thanks again for helping me sort through these problems!
Cheers,
Bronwen
<Cheers, Neale.> |
Spiraling tetra
11/9/11
Good morning. I have a 15 gallon planted tank with three green
tiger barbs,
<Tiger Barbs are notoriously nippy in small groups.>
two rosy's,
<Rosy Barbs are subtropical fish; they also get much too big for
this tank.>
and two diamond tetras.
<A delicate species unless you have soft water.>
I initially had three rosy's, but one became stuck between a rock
and the tank wall and died. I can only guess he had grown too large
because he frequently swam through the rock formations in the tank.
Because of this, I thought it best to rearrange the tank.
<Or get a bigger tank>
I put the fish in a large plastic washbasin with an airstone and the
heater while I tended to the tank. Parameters before and after have
been consistent. Ammonia 0, nitrates 10-20, nitrites 0, GH 75, KH ~100,
pH 7.6 .
<Sounds pretty good water for tetras and barbs.>
Anyhow, after returning home and settling down, one diamond started to
list a tad. He seemed to swim ok, but whenever he swims fast, he
spirals. After some Google -itis on my part, I worried he may have
whirling disease and put him into quarantine that night.
<Whirling Disease is virtually impossible in aquaria, unless
you're feeding live Tubifex worms. Do understand that just because
your fish is "whirling" doesn't mean he has Whirling
Disease; it's a thousand times more likely his nervous system is
being shut down because of environmental stress, poisoning, shock, or
something else like that.>
He did fine in quarantine.... I treated him with extra stress coat and
wee bit of Melafix. He did well and stopped spiraling.
<Perhaps, but doubt either medication did much in this scenario.
Fish that are shocked, for example, can go doolally for a few hours,
but eventually settle down.>
So back home he goes and he promptly starts to spiral again. However,
he schools with the other diamond (and sometimes the barbs shoal with
them it's funny to see them plop down into formation. ) He eats
well, he doesn't appear ill, he just lists a wee bit and spirals.
He doesn't spiral during "normal" swimming, just when he
"power" swims.
Now I'm wondering if he has a swim bladder dysfunction.
<Again, another common misunderstanding. True infections of the swim
bladder are extremely rare, and virtually all diagnoses of "Swim
Bladder Disease" are wrong. When fish are sick or weakened, they
can't swim properly. Fish with swim bladders will find it difficult
to balance. Think of the last time you were giddy -- I bet it
wasn't because your legs were partially paralyzed! Far more likely
you had a fever, you were drunk, you'd had a bump to the head, or
some other thing like that. It's important to separate the symptom
from the problem.>
Since stress apparently makes it worse, I'm reluctant to move him
anymore. Should I try to treat him again? If so, with what?
<If the fish doesn't show signs of bacterial infection or
parasitism (i.e., white spots or similar), and you can rule out a
genetic problem because the fish was swimming normally when purchased,
then think about the environment. What might be stressing it?
Temperature? Oxygenation? Water chemistry stability? Water chemistry
after water changes? Social interactions? Poisons such as copper and
Chloramine? Check through these, and act accordingly.>
I'm of a mind to just let him be, keep up water changes per usual
(20-50% every 1-2 wks), and see how he does. I don't think he was
comfortable in quarantine as a solitary fish.
Any advice?
Thank you!!
<Cheers, Neale.>
Bariatric Neon Tetra 5/4/10
Hi
<Hello,>
Thanks for the great site I have found it very helpful for both
marine and freshwater tanks
<Good to know.>
I have searched your FAQs and other pages but cannot find an
exact match for the problem.
<Oh?>
We have a neon tetra that is significantly larger than normal
i.e. at least twice the size of the tankmates While I have
managed to find numerous references to bloated or swollen
stomachs the associated pictures and
descriptions speak to very distended stomachs and bulging - this
fish is large all over.
<Are you sure he's a Neon? Cardinal tetras are similar but
a bit bigger all around. Conversely, Paracheirodon simulans, the
so-called Green Neon, is somewhat more slender than the Common
Neon Tetra, Paracheirodon innesi.
Also is he longer than the others, or just fatter? If the abdomen
is substantially bulkier, but the length of the fish is the same
as the others, that can imply a variety of things, including
dropsy, intestinal worms, even a female filled with eggs and
ready to spawn!>
My question is does dropsy sometimes produce this overall
swelling?
<Just the abdomen. By definition, oedema/dropsy is retention
of fluid within the body cavity. The head, back, tail should all
be the same as usual, since the muscles aren't much
affected.>
Could it be some sort of water exchange/retention issue? What
would you recommend as a treatment?
<For now, nothing. If the fish is happy and healthy, I
wouldn't worry too much.>
There is no signs of eyes popping or pine cone/fluffy scales
<Good.>
The fish has slowly increased in size over 4-5 weeks. Diet is a
mixture of flake and blood worms. We have tried a pea with no
success (in case of constipation)
<Hmm...>
The fish has now stopped eating - or eats very intermittently
<Again, the key thing is whether the fish is bigger around the
belly, or longer and the larger more generally, from head to
tail. If the belly alone is swollen, and this fish is the same
length as the other Neons, then you may well be dealing with
constipation, dropsy, Neon Tetra Disease or something.>
Water parameters are good -nitrate less than 10. Ph is 6.9 and
although a small tank it has good filtration, weekly 30% water
changes with a mix of RO/dechlorinated water (to maintain
hardness) and the substrate is vacuumed weekly. The remaining 6
tetras (the only other fish) are doing fine
Kelly
<Hope this helps. Cheers, Neale.>
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Bariatric Neon Tetra 5/4/10
Hi
<Hello,>
Thanks for the great site I have found it very helpful for
both marine and freshwater tanks
<Good to know.>
I have searched your FAQs and other pages but cannot find
an exact match for the problem.
<Oh?>
We have a neon tetra that is significantly larger than
normal i.e. at least twice the size of the tankmates While
I have managed to find numerous references to bloated or
swollen stomachs the associated pictures and
descriptions speak to very distended stomachs and bulging -
this fish is large all over.
<Are you sure he's a Neon? Cardinal tetras are
similar but a bit bigger all around. Conversely,
Paracheirodon simulans, the so-called Green Neon, is
somewhat more slender than the Common Neon Tetra,
Paracheirodon innesi.
Also is he longer than the others, or just fatter? If the
abdomen is substantially bulkier, but the length of the
fish is the same as the others, that can imply a variety of
things, including dropsy, intestinal worms, even a female
filled with eggs and ready to spawn!>
My question is does dropsy sometimes produce this overall
swelling?
<Just the abdomen. By definition, oedema/dropsy is
retention of fluid within the body cavity. The head, back,
tail should all be the same as usual, since the muscles
aren't much affected.>
Could it be some sort of water exchange/retention issue?
What would you recommend as a treatment?
<For now, nothing. If the fish is happy and healthy, I
wouldn't worry too much.>
There is no signs of eyes popping or pine cone/fluffy
scales
<Good.>
The fish has slowly increased in size over 4-5 weeks. Diet
is a mixture of flake and blood worms. We have tried a pea
with no success (in case of constipation)
<Hmm...>
The fish has now stopped eating - or eats very
intermittently
<Again, the key thing is whether the fish is bigger
around the belly, or longer and the larger more generally,
from head to tail. If the belly alone is swollen, and this
fish is the same length as the other Neons, then you may
well be dealing with constipation, dropsy, Neon Tetra
Disease or something.>
Water parameters are good -nitrate less than 10. Ph is 6.9
and although a small tank it has good filtration, weekly
30% water changes with a mix of RO/dechlorinated water (to
maintain hardness) and the substrate is vacuumed weekly.
The remaining 6 tetras (the only other fish) are doing
fine
Kelly
<Hope this helps. Cheers, Neale.>
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Neotrop community tank; sickness, death, but no useful
data - 10/24/09
I have 55 gal freshwater tank with Black, Red, and Gold Tetras 1 Pleco
and 2 Cory cats.
<Hmm... not really sure what these "tetras" of yours might
be.>
The Tank has been going for about a year and I haven't lost a fish
in about 10 months until about 1 month ago. I lost 2 black Tetras in a
few days with no on obvious signs. One of my reds lost color and was
having labored breathing and died about 2 weeks later. Now one of my
Golds is showing signs of labored breathing and has raised scales on
his sides all others seem to be doing fine. NO2, NO3, KH, GH are all
within normal ranges
<What are "normal ranges"? The thing is, without knowing
the actual values, I can't say anything sensible. But let's
recap. For most South American tetras and catfish, you're aiming
for these values: Zero ammonia, zero nitrite, carbonate hardness around
5-10 degrees KH, and a general hardness around 5-15 degrees dH. The pH
should be around 6.5 to 7.5.>
I do about a 20% water change every two weeks and use AquaSafe and
Neutral Regulator by Seachem at changes
<Please, check the water chemistry/quality values are as stated
above.
Usually, when random species start dying for no obvious reason, and the
symptoms are nebulous things like dropsy and heavy breathing (as is the
case here) then environmental issues are to blame.>
What do you think is Killing my fish.
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Neotrop community tank; sickness, death, but no
useful data- 10/25/09
Thanks for your time and your response. I'm sorry I can't give
you a better name on the tetras but I only know them as Black, Gold and
Red long fin Tetras. The water chemistry is NO3 = 20ppm, NO2 = 0ppm, PH
= 7.0, KH = 40ppm, GH =60ppm, Ammonia = 0ppm.
<Sounds mostly okay. The water hardness is low, and while not in
itself a problem, do understand that in soft water the pH is prone to
dropping, so I tend to recommend people maintain freshwater communities
at slightly alkaline conditions, around 4-6 degrees KH (about 70-110
mg/l CaCO3).>
These values are reached using API test strips. There have been no new
fish added to the tank for at least six months. There are two filter
systems on the Tank. I know that without seeing the tank or fish that a
diagnosis difficult. I have rechecked the water values and they are as
stated I don't know the conversion for the KH and GH from ppm to
deg.
<Easy: 1 degree KH is 17.9 mg/l.>
however as I stated the API kit I use says these values are within the
normal range for tetras.
<Indeed, but what fish experience in the wild isn't necessarily
what's easiest to maintain in captivity. Do read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebindex/fwsoftness.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebindex/fwh2oquality.htm
>
I know that Tetras aren't the most exotic of fresh water fish but I
enjoy them and hate to loose any. The only fish that seems to be
exhibiting any symptoms at this time is a Gold Tetra about 3"long,
the symptoms are
labored breathing raised scales and I noticed 1 red spot about 1mm on
one side just below his dorsal fin and a lack of appetite, all the
other fish seem to be behaving normally and appear normal. I hope that
I have given you enough information to give me a suggested course of
action to save my fish. Thanks again for your help.
<Difficult to say what the problem is here. Heavy breathing tends to
imply changes in environmental conditions, typically to the worse. So
for example non-zero levels of nitrite and ammonia, or sudden changes
in pH, or poisoning of the tank with insect spray, paint fumes, or
whatever. Raised scales are associated with Dropsy, and that's a
symptom of organ failure, typically the "end game" of a
systemic bacterial infection or similar. Red spots on the body are
inflammations or open wounds. These can be caused by all kinds of
things, from physical damage through to certain viral and bacterial
infections. So there's nothing here that yells out the name of any
one problem. My instinct here would be to do a big water change to
flush out any potential toxins (say, 50% today, and another 50%
tomorrow) taking care that water chemistry of the new water was close
to the water chemistry of the old water. I'd give my filter a
clean, just to make sure it's working properly. I wouldn't feed
the fish. I'd check the heater was at the right temperature.
I'd look over the tank for signs of serious decomposition: dead
fish, uneaten food, dense clumps of algae, dead snails, etc. I
wouldn't treat the fish until I had a clear idea of what the
problem
might be; most medications are toxic to some degree, and a
"scattergun" approach rarely works out the way you'd
like. Cheers, Neale.>
Black Phantom Tetra - Help Needed 8/22/09
Hoping someone can shed some light on a problem I'm having with one
of my Black Phantom Tetras. I'm afraid I'm losing him.
Here's my set-up:
20 gallon aquarium, live plants
1 Farlowella
3 swords
7 Corys
3 black phantom tetras
6 red phantom tetras
<Does prefer fairly cool conditions... not really a very good
community fish above 23 degrees C.>
I just tested my water levels:
Ammonia - 0
Nitrites - 0
Nitrates - 8
Temperature 78 degrees
<...>
I noticed a few days ago he was hiding underneath a plant and
wouldn't come out when I was feeding them. He seems to be resting
at first glance, but his black markings are fading and his top fin is a
little more limp than the other fish. I haven't seen him eat in a
few days. He seems to be able to swim fine if he is swimming along the
bottom, though I've only seen him swim a few inches at a time, and
not frequently.
About an hour ago I was watching him. He had emerged out from hiding
and was at the bottom, in the middle of the tank. He suddenly took off
like a shot upwards - I thought he was going after some food. But
instead of swimming in a straight line, his body was rolling and
tumbling at top speed as he swam upwards. It happened so fast that I
couldn't really tell quite what his body was doing. He is now back
at his resting spot under the plant.
<Variety of possibilities, but bullying is the one I'd think
about...
should be in groups of 6+, and in smaller groups, bullying will lead to
stress, and stress can cause the symptoms you're seeing.>
When he is resting his body appears normal, no "u' shape,
bloating, or moving in circles or going upside down.
<Stress, starvation, secondary infections all possibilities.>
Any idea what could be wrong? I was concerned about whirling but
I've never fed live food, and his back half is not darker, in fact
it is lighter since he's lost much of his black markings. I see no
lesions or anything else odd about him.
All other fish appear fine.
I do have a 10 gallon quarantine tank though it is not set up...should
I transfer some water from the larger tank so it will be cycled, and
then transfer him into that tank? Is there anything I can do to help
him?
<Maybe add a bunch more, and see what happens.>
Thanks so much for your time.
Chris
<Cheers, Neale.>
Black Phantom Tetra -Additional Info
8/20/09
Hi again,
<Chris>
I've been reading up on Whirling, and I saw that it can be caused
by eating a dead fish (?). Just wanted to mention that I lost a fish
last week, and suspect that it had been dead a couple of days before I
found it (I usually do a daily head count but didn't for a couple
of days). It looked like the fins had been nibbled.
This was one of my red phantom tetras. Approx. 8 months ago it
developed a tiny black dot inside it's body and over the last many
months this growth has slowly spread. Right up until the end he was
schooling and eating and energetic, but I guess the growth/disease took
its toll. He did not show any symptoms that the black phantom is
showing.
Just thought I would mention that, in case it was relevant.
Also, in doing further reading, I came across Neon Tetra Disease, and
False Neon Tetra Disease. Does the black phantom's condition sound
like either of these, and if so, can you explain the difference?
<Not likely Pleistophora... but quite likely a
Sporozoan/Microsporidean manifestation... common in wild-collected
Characoids of S. America... as small, discrete, black shiny dots,
raised against sides... Not usually fatal, unless other stressors are
at play>
I also read that one of the first symptoms is whitish patches, which I
don't see in my fish.
Thanks again!
Chris
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Re: Black Phantom Tetra -Additional Info
8/22/09
Thanks, Bob.
<Welcome Chris>
This morning I saw a new symptom...periodically the fish is in a
vertical position, with nose to the gravel and tail skyward. He is not
doing well at all.
<Bad>
Could you please expand on your note below - if it is
Sporozoan/Microsporidean as you suggest it could be below, what do I
do? I assume he should be quarantined. Is there any medication that can
help?
Note that I haven't seen any black shiny dots on him at all, he is
very pale and his formerly black markings are now very light grey.
<There are no known medications for such...>
Is Sporozoan/Microsporidean the same as Neon Tetra disease?
<"All newts are salamanders... not vice versa"... NTD is
in the same organismal class...>
Should I be concerned for my other tetras?
<Only if they ingest the present afflicted one (i.e. if it
dies)>
If you could provide more info, or direct me to a link, that would be
most helpful.
Thank you so much for your time.
Chris
<BobF>
Extremely thin tetra - is she diseased?
9/5/08 Dear WetWebMedia Associate- <Ave,> I owe a nice
35 gallon freshwater tank with not that many fish (only 12, among them
8 tetras, 3 albino Corys, and 1 Pleco) but with plenty of aquatic
plants. In general, I do not have any problems in / with the tank, the
water is fine, the fish are healthy. I am a big fan of Bob Fenner's
"natural" treatment of water so the weekly changes of 1/3 of
my tank's water are a commonplace. <Sounds good.> I noticed
that one of my tetra fish is 1/3 of the size of other tetras. Indeed,
from the beginning it was smaller than the rest of the group. But, the
way I see it now - it is way too thin. It's fins are huge, its eyes
and head looks unnaturally big. This resembles me the pictures of a
starving human-being. <Ah, yes, does happen. It may be genetic, a
developmental problem, or physical damage such as damage to the jaws.
Could conceivably be a parasite; live Tubifex worms especially can
cause problems in this way. What kind of tetra are we talking about
here? My gut feeling is that this is simply a "runt" and
there's not very much you can do about it.> I was observing that
fish eating habits and noticed that it tries to eat but whatever it
takes to its mouth, it "puffs" back. Seeing this now, I am
afraid that my fish is dying from starvation :--(( I offer my fish a
variety of foods - krill, shrimp, Tubifex worms, blood warms, and all
kinds of flakes. But everything is dried - no "life" or
frozen food. <Good.> I mix the food before supplying. Also, I
feed them once a day, in the morning. The rest of the fish look big
:--) not to say "fat." This little tetra is the only one that
wants to eat but it cannot :--( <Could be damaged in some way, or
with a blockage caused by a tumour or cyst. With very small fish
there's not a lot you can do. Force-feeding such animals tends to
cause more damage.> I noticed that this tetra when it gets a piece
of food, holds to it firmly and swims around with it. But, it does not
eat it. Other fish bite everything and try to get as much as they can.
<Does sound like physical damage. You could try offering some
Liquifry (that's food sold for feeding baby fish). This is softer
and easier to slurp. Alternatively finely powdered flake food or hard
boiled egg yolk (sparingly!) can be offered. See if it is able to eat
these foods.> Do you know what is going on with my fish? I look over
its body - there are no signs of parasites or any outside diseases. The
only scary think is its extremely thin look. Is there anything I can do
for my fish? How can I help it? <Not sure you can.> Please, let
me know. Thank you very much for your help. Anna <Sorry to say, but
I suspect the outlook for this fish is grim. If the fish is big enough
to manhandle, then a plastic pipette to squirt in some minced prawn or
flake food suspension can work. But for that the fish needs to be above
a certain size, something about the size of an adult Platy. Anything
smaller would be too easily damaged. Putting the fish in a floating
breeding trap might offer some respite from competition, and you could
see if finely powdered or liquid food was accepted. But my gut feeling
is that nothing will help, and this fish will, eventually, die. I
suppose you could treat with an anti-helminth medication (e.g. Prazi
Pro) but the problem seems to be eating food, not digesting it, so I
don't think gut parasites are the issue. Sorry can't offer
better news, Neale.> Re: Extremely thin tetra - is she
disease? (RMF, thoughts?)<<Mmm, nope. RMF>> 9/5/08
Thank you very much for letting me know, Neale. I will try the liquid
food solution; hopefully my fish will get better. Anna <Fingers
crossed! Do hope this works out, and good luck! Neale.>
Tetras (Neons & cardinals) dying one by one in the dark
in a planted aq. 8/7/08 I hope you can help. Please forgive the
length, but I wanted to give you all the info I could think of.
<OK.> 30g L, been up for about 8 weeks (cycled with seed filter
from friends established tank), custom hood with AHsupply 96w CF bulb
(3.2W/gal), eco-complete substrate mixed with fine gravel. Fluval 205
filter. Stealth 100W heater. <All sounds good.> Tank has the
following plants (most of which are thriving): Cabomba (2 bunches of 5
stems each), Moneywort (4 bunches of 3 stems each), Melon Sword, Chain
sword (just a baby), Microsword (2sq in patch), Ruffle plant, Wisteria
(just finally establishing its fine submerged leaves - 1 bunch of 3-4
stems), Broad Ludwigia (1 bunch of 3-4 stems), small Java fern, small
Anubias nana, and a large bunch (about 15-20 long stems) of Anacharis
(from a friends established tank). Sounds crowded, but you'd be
surprised how open it really still is. <At least some get pretty big
-- Echinodorus osiris for example will quickly take over a 30 gallon
tank if it thrives; mature plants can be 50 cm tall and 30 cm across!
Echinodorus martii likewise.> To this there's the following
fish: 5 spotted Corys, 6 Otos, 3 "mystery" snails, 6 zebra
Danios, and originally 8 each Neons and cardinal tetras. <Right,
well one issue here will be temperature. To wit, Neons prefer cool
water, 20-24 degrees C; Cardinals need warm water, 25-28 C. There's
no "happy medium" at which both can be expected to do
perfectly well. Corydoras, Otocinclus and Danios are also cool-tropical
fish, and will thrive at 20-24 C (I'd go for 22 C). But that's
too low for the Cardinals. So one way or another, at least some fish
are going to be heat or cold stressed.> The light is on a timer to
cycle 6 hours on in the morning, followed by a 3 hour off break mid
afternoon, then another 6 hrs on in the evening. Then off for the
remaining 9hrs overnight. <OK.> All was well, the plants are
thriving, the fish too. <Good.> Then I added the Anacharis about
2 weeks ago. Suddenly I'm missing cardinals and Neons overnight,
just 1 or 2. at a time. Never noticed any trouble with the
actions/attitudes of the tank mates, everyone pretty much sticks to
their schools. But the losses continued. Everyone looked fine when the
lights are on... healthy, active, feeding. It was great. Well it's
a great mystery alright. <Well, Neons and to a lesser extent
Cardinals can be plagued with "Neon Tetra Disease" and will
drop off one by one until the cycle of infection is broken. But it is
also possible the new plants brought in a predator, such as a Dragonfly
nymph.> I finally started watching closer at night and I found that
after the lights been off for about 90 minutes (+/- 15 minutes) I
notice a gradual and frightening change. Both the cardinals and Neons
lose nearly all coloration going nearly white/clear. <Quite
normal.> Then one or two of them start going bonkers and lose their
equilibrium swimming upside down, backwards and on their sides,
barrel-rolls, tumbling end-over-end, etc., then death. <That is
odd.> Turn the lights back on and gradually (within 20-40 minutes)
all coloration has returned and activity resumes normally. <Ah, now,
this is curious. Have you checked how pH is affected by photosynthesis?
When plants photosynthesise they remove CO2 from the water, allowing
the pH to rise. When they stop, CO2 accumulates and pH goes down.
Alternatively, some (but only the minority) can perform "biogenic
decalcification", and I believe Anacharis is one of them. What
this means is that they remove carbonate and bicarbonate from the water
as the source of carbon for photosynthesis instead of CO2. This is why
these plants prefer hard water. Anyway, in the process the water loses
its carbonate hardness and consequently its pH buffering capacity. The
net result will be that pH will drop while these plants are
photosynthesising, and the water pH will also become less stable with
regard to other pH altering processes.> My water parameters have
been rock solid since the beginning: Nitrite 0; Ammonia 0; Nitrate
"nearly" 0; kH 5deg; GH 12deg; pH 7.6; chlor. 0. I've
even tested right before and after a light cycle and saw no appreciable
difference. Temp stays between 78.5 and 80.5F. <Do check the pH and
carbonate hardness through the day to test my hypotheses above.> My
thought were CO2 poisoning - but the zero change to pH leads me to
believe the CO2 isn't reaching toxic levels. Second thought - The
plants are using up all the available O2 (I'm not aerating) at
night thereby starving the smaller, more sensitive tetras. So I added a
small airstone to the corner of the tank and set a small air pump to
kick on when the lights go out (my timer has day/night outlets). It
didn't seem to help. <Leave CO2 off for a few days and see what
happens. Won't harm the plants.> Last Saturday night was the
worst, within 2-1/2 hours three tetras gone (down to 6 now, 2 cardinals
& 4 Neons left), and all the fish (except the 5 Corys, 2 largest
Danios, and 3 largest Otos) were pale. Even with nighttime aeration.
<Hmm...> So as a stopgap measure I retooled the timer to cycle
the light and dark to 3 hrs light, 2 hrs dark ('round the clock).
Two nights of success now with no casualties... but even though there
is the requisite "amount" of light and dark I cannot imagine
the rapid time cycles are any good for either the fish or plants
long-term. <It isn't good for the plants; they need a certain
length of time simply too start photosynthesising, and 3 hours
won't be enough.> My next attempt will be to get a larger air
pump and drive an 18" bubble wand across the back of the tank
rather than the small airstone driven by the smaller air pump. I know
this will drive out more CO2 to the detriment of the plants (though
probably not too much), but it should eliminate the worry of CO2
poisoning, and should add O2 in the dark for the plants and fish to
(hopefully) share. Also, I'll be raising the filter spout up closer
to the surface to provide a little more surface agitation (currently
its about 2in below with no agitation). <Not sure this is the
issue.> Finally, since this all started after adding the fastest
grower in the largest number/mass plant-wise (the Anacharis). It's
possible that plant addition might've pushed the balance over the
edge with respect to CO2 and O2 respiration. So I'll be pulling
that out and trimming it back to a more manageable (2-3 bunches of 4-5
"short" stems each) size. <Hmm...> Hopefully then I can
gradually return to slowly extending the light/dark cycles to a more
natural rhythm and keep my fish healthy and my plants growing. Any
thoughts? other suggestions? etc? Anything I missed? Mark <Cheers,
Neale.>
Dying Tetras 2/10/08 I have been reading through
your site and couldn't get a definite answer about my dying neon
tetras. So I was wondering about my neon tetras. I recently added 12
neon tetras to my old school of 5. So my school of 17 looked awesome,
but then I lost half of my school in a few days. <This seems to
happen quite often with Neons, and is one reason I have stopped keeping
them and don't recommend them. The quality of the mass produced
stock is fairly poor, and I suspect depends a lot on the use of
antibiotics. As soon as the fish arrive at the retailer, the
antibiotics wear off and the fish become increasingly sensitive to
opportunistic infections. This may be aggravated by the fact most
people keep Neons far too warm; in the wild their preferred temperature
range is 22-25 C, so compared with most other tropical fish, they need
something a little cooler. Failing in this regard may be stressing
them, leading to greater sensitivity to infections. Pleistophora
("Neon Tetra Disease") may also be prevalent. Although more
expensive, Cardinal tetras strike me as being better value.> The
aquarium is 55 gallons and my water parameters are fine except for pH
which may be a little high (7.6). <Well within their tolerances; if
acclimated, Neons have been know to do well at up to pH 8, 30 degrees
dH! Water quality and temperature are probably much more significant
issues.> Ammonia is 0ppm, nitrites are 0ppm, and nitrates are about
10-20ppm. My other fish in the aquarium are 1 dwarf Gourami, 2 blue
gouramis, 1 gold Gourami, 4 rainbow sharks. I also have 4 crayfish in
my tank, biggest on is about 3 inches long max. I am thinking maybe
they are catching my Neons and eating them. <Crayfish will indeed
eat small fish. Under no circumstances can crayfish be considered safe
additions to the community tank. While it is true crayfish are mostly
herbivores in the wild, in aquaria they can easily catch small fish.
Because Neons sleep close to the bottom of the tank, crayfishes could
easily catch and eat them.> I actually saw one snacking on a tetra
but not sure if he caught him. It might also explain why I only
actually see a few of my Neons dead while the other ones are just not
there. <Do check for signs of Pleistophora: Infected Neons lose
their colour, become shy, stay away from the group, and often hide
under plants. A few days later they're dead. Pleistophora is highly
contagious once the fish is moribund or dead because opening the body
cavity (e.g., as other fish eat the corpse) allows the parasites to
swim into the water. The only way to effective stop Pleistophora is to
remove infected fish on sight. They should be painlessly destroyed, as
there is no reliable cure, and certainly not once the disease because
sufficiently entrenched that you can tell the fish actually has it.>
They didn't jump out of the tank because I have a very tight
fitting canopy and there's no dried up tetras on the carpet. One
more thing too, if my pH is to high I was thinking about using water
from a local spring in which the pH is about 6.4, and no ammonia,
nitrite or nitrates. I would also run it through my deionization filter
to make sure any harmful things would be removed. I would greatly
appreciate your help and advise. <Mixing soft water with hard water
out the tap is fine. I do this by mixing rainwater with tap water to
good effect. Filtering the spring water or rainwater through carbon
will remove any nasties, but generally such water sources are at least
as safe for fish as tap water, perhaps more so. In any case, do always
remember to make water chemistry changes slowly, perhaps doing 25%
water changes each week until you reach the desired level of hardness
and acidity. Now, the crayfishes will not like soft water. They need to
be removed anyway, but just as a heads-up, in common with all
crustaceans, "the harder the better" in terms of healthcare.
Also remember that as hardness drops, so does pH stability, and many is
the aquarist who's softened the water in their tank only to
discover the pH suddenly drops between water changes. I'd not take
the hardness below 10 degrees dH. Remember: fish don't care about
pH, so long as its stable; what matters is *hardness*, as that directly
influences osmoregulation. Cheers, Neale.>
Tetra buoyancy 10/20/07 Dear Crew, <Hello
there! Andrea with you this afternoon.> Today after feeding my
Tetras I noticed that 1 of my Neons is floating toward the surface and
actively swimming to stay lower in the aquarium. I feed them tropical
flake food with the occasional freeze-dried bloodworms. <Sounds
delicious...> I hadn't noticed this behavior before today so my
theory is that he sucked in some air while eating. My water parameters
are as follows: Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate all 0, pH 7.8. <pH is a
little on the high side for Neons, but I wouldn't worry much. You
might add some driftwood as a decoration to the aquarium to soften the
water and bring it down. What does concern me is that the NitrAte is at
0. How long has the aquarium been up? Generally speaking, in the FW
world, we want to see a little nitrate, as it lets us know that the
tank isn't cycling. You should have something of a reading...5, 10,
15 ppm at least. What kind of test kits are you using? You might take a
sample to the local fish store and have them test it. Having zeros
across the board usually tells me that either the tank is brand
spanking new, or the test kits have gone bad.> I do a 40% water
change every 5 days. <Excellent regimen. Keep it up!> I don't
feel that it is a water quality issue, he's not listing around or
floating head up or down, but when he stops swimming he floats to the
surface. <Could be swim bladder dysfunction. It's not fatal,
just looks funny. Do a search on WWM for Swim Bladder for more
information.> Is there anything I can do or is this just a
"wait and see" type of thing? <If he is otherwise acting
healthy, stool looks normal, eating well, I'd just let him be.
Could be needing a good burp, could be the food is too fibrous, could
be swim bladder, could be something else. You might also try giving him
some mushed up blanched peas, in case he has a mild case of
constipation.> If it is air and he can't expel it, is that a
fatal condition? <No, the air will find a way out, one way or
another ;-). They are kind of like us in that way.> Also, how long
could it take for him to recover from this? <It really depends what
it is. If it is swim bladder damage, he might always be that way, and
it is just a quirk. If it is something else, it may pass, or it may
not. Worst case scenario is he has some problem that is affecting him
neurologically, such as a bacterial infection or parasite, but I'd
say the chances of that are relatively slim if he is eating and
otherwise well. Unless he shows other symptoms, I'd just call him
"Bobby" or "Floaty" or "Bouncy" or
something cute.> Thanks for your help, <Anytime!> Evan
<Andrea>
Re: Tetra buoyancy 10/29/07 Andrea, et al: <Hi
Evan, sorry for the delay. I have been out of town.> Thank you for
your help earlier. <Most welcome.> I wanted to update you on the
situation. After about 5 hours "Bob" seems to be back to
normal. <Glad to hear it.> I've only been keeping fish for 3
months, so when I saw his behavior I was surprised and alarmed. <It
happens to all of us. I've been keeping fish for years and years,
and still panic often. The same with my cats, frogs, lizards, toads,
nieces, nephews....call it human care instinct. =). It does ease up a
bit though.> And on the water tests: I'm using Jungle 5-in-1 and
Ammonia quick dip tests so the readings aren't super precise and
some of the tests have a large gap between values. On the Nitrate the
scale is 0 then 20 and it was definitely not 20. <The test strips
are good for getting a general feel of water conditions, but since you
are new to the hobby, I really suggest you get better test kits, with
liquid reagents. They really are an invaluable tool, especially early
in the hobby when you are just learning. The accuracy will help you
both learn and get a better feel for the conditions in your tank. API
makes good kits for freshwater that are reasonably priced and readily
available. You will want to have Ammonia, NitrIte, NitrAte, pH, kH, and
possibly Phosphate on hand. Salifert are also excellent, but more
expensive. It will serve you and your fish well to buy these and
familiarize yourself with them and their properties.> Again, thank
you all for your continuing help to all of us fish keeping novices and
experts. <Our pleasure.> -Evan
Black lumps on tetra body and fins
8/23/07 Please, can you help me diagnose my tetras?
<We'll see> I have looked everywhere and can't find
anything to match the appearance of these fish. Something that came
close during my research was "lip fibroma", most common
in angelfish and other "kissing" fish. 2 of my tetra (now
in quarantine for 4 weeks) have lumpy growths first on their lips,
then appearing on their fins and tail bases. It's spreading for
sure. Both fish are eating and lively, but obviously something is
very wrong with their bodies. The lumps are raised, and grey/black
in color. I hope the photos I took help. (Image links:)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/Meechity/fishy1.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/Meechity/fishy2.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/Meechity/fishy3.jpg Your
site is invaluable. I would not bother to write you if I hadn't
searched all I could elsewhere. Thank you so much :) ~M <Does
appear tumorous... Perhaps there is a bacterial or protozoan
involvement here... I would try one course/treatment with
Metronidazole/Flagyl AND feeding of antibiotic (the
"usual" broad-spectrum, gram-negative varieties
commercially available) like Thera-A as attempts at cure....
otherwise, careful isolation... euthanization. Bob Fenner>
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Glowlight tetra... hlth.,
English 7/16/07 hi there hope you can help, I
have a 75 gallon tropical freshwater setup with gravel substrate bog
wood pieces and a nice dense selection of plants, I have 6 Neons, 6
Glowlight tetras, 6 Rummynose tetras and one bamboo shrimp, all water
tests are fine and I cycled tank with no fish but with some mature
gravel for 6 weeks, anyway one of my recent additions is the Glowlights
but one is very bloated since I bought him/her, seems to ok as swimming
ok and interacting with other fish. do you think she maybe pregnant or
is this some form of disease that needs treating? any help in this
matter would be greatly appreciated, thanks Mickey <Hello Mickey. A
nice collection of fish and a good sized aquarium for them! Glowlight
Tetras are egg-layers, so the female doesn't get
"pregnant" as such, though female fishes of most kinds look
swollen when they are full of eggs and ready to spawn. That said, this
usually only lasts a couple of days, and it is usually obvious she is
ready to spawn because the male fish will be following her about all
the time. What is more likely is that she has some sort of sickness.
Dropsy is the worst option. This is a symptom (accumulation of fluids
in the body cavity) caused by a variety of generally untreatable
diseases. A tell-tale sign of dropsy is that often the scales bristle
out from the body, so when looked at from above the fish looks like a
pine cone. Not much can be done about dropsy, particularly in small
fish, and destroying the fish painlessly is generally the best thing to
do. It isn't particularly contagious, but the things that caused
the dropsy, such as poor water quality, can of course cause the problem
to occur in another fish. That said, a dozen tetras in a 75 gallon tank
are unlikely to be causing water quality problems. If your nitrite, pH,
and hardness tests all look good, then I'd be tempted to write-off
the Glowlight Tetra as simply a specimen that was probably sick when
you bought it. Constipation can also cause swelling in fish, though
typically in herbivorous species like Goldfish. Glowlight Tetras are
largely carnivores feeding on insect larvae so don't need the same
amount of fibre in their diet. A few meals per week of algae flake
instead of regular flake is an excellent idea though just to be on the
safe side. A long-shot is Neon Tetra Disease (NTD). This could
potentially infect a Glowlight Tetra since they're quite closely
related. NTD is basically untreatable though some commercial
medications purport to offer a treatment when used early on.
Regardless, NTD is highly contagious and sick fish should be removed
(and probably destroyed) at the first sign of trouble. The classic
symptoms of NTD are loss of colour, lethargy, and a tendency for the
fish to leave the school and hide in shady corners of the tank. Just as
some "meta-advice", because tetras are small and largely
collected from the wild, they don't travel well or keep well in
overcrowded tanks at the wholesaler and retailer. Often they have gone
without proper food for many days, if not weeks, for certain parts of
the trip. Being so small, their reserves are slight and mortality is
quite high. When buying tetras, it is not uncommon to lose one or two
within the first few weeks, and then everything settles down and the
rest last for years. So even if you lose this one fish, do not be too
alarmed, and focus instead on making sure the aquarium is clean and the
water quality/chemistry correct for the species you are keeping.
Cheers, Neale>
Re: Glowlight tetra -- 07/18/07
Hi Neale thanks for your reply it was very interesting, as for my
bloated Glowlight its still looking bloated but swimming and eating ok
and joining in with community life, I understand the casualty thing but
the scales aren't sticking out at all. I only bought the Glowlights
on Saturday would this be sufficient time to lay eggs if any were
present if so I think maybe I should take your advice and write this
one off sadly to a sick fish when supplied. I also recently bought a
scribble Plec and what I think is a bamboo shrimp which really freaked
me out on the third day of it being in my tank, I awoke to find what I
thought to be "chip's" dead body on the bottom of my tank
Eeek!! so netted it out and done the old flush, only to discover two
days later when I was sat watching TV who comes walking out of my
plants but old "chip" turns out they shed there skin!!!
anyway he's such a dude he looks great now real bright vibrant
colours; cream stripe down whole of body and sort of red/brown
horizontal wiggles on his sides and quite a red tail, do you think he
is a bamboo shrimp??? I know without a picture it is very difficult to
know. many thanks <Greetings. Unlikely to be eggs. Breeding
Glowlights is difficult, and to get them "in condition" for
spawning takes time and the right foods. Unlikely to happen in an
aquarium shop. In the meantime watch and observe, and I'd recommend
adding some anti-bacterial medication as well. Ask your retailer for
what's on offer in your area. Early stages of dropsy can
(sometimes) be cured by things like Furanol. Scribbled Plec is
Hypancistrus sp. or L66. Like other Hypancistrus it's only
"half hardy" so treat it gently. It won't do well in
strongly alkaline conditions (ideally, you need pH 6-7 and low
hardness). It also likes a fair amount of warmth, something slightly
around 26-28C, in keeping with most other fishes from the Rio Xingu. On
the other hand, it is very sensitive to poor water quality and low
oxygen concentration. As for the shrimp, that sounds exactly like a
Bamboo shrimp (Atyopsis sp.). Nice animals. Not hardy, but with good
care easy enough to keep. Harmless filter feeders, despite their size.
Since you can't filter feed these animals easily, be sure to offer
it plenty of suitable food. Algae wafers, Plec pellets, and other
plant-based foods are ideal. Cheers, Neale>
Poorly Glowlight Tetra
7/5/07 Hi, <Ave,> I've got a 30 Gallon tank and I'm a
total novice. You'll have to bear with me because I don't know
much about the real names of fish so I'll just tell you as best I
can. <OK. But a recommendation: go buy or borrow an aquarium book.
Very useful.> I have 7 Neon Tetras, 7 Glowlight Tetras, 5 Black Neon
Tetras, 1 Male Siamese Fighting Fish, 1 Tiger Barb and 2 other fish
that I can't remember the name of but I know it's got the word
bubble in it! <ONE TIGER BARB!!!! Tiger barbs are intensely sociable
fish. They need to be 6 or more to be happy. An unhappy tiger barb is
something you don't want -- they are terrible fin-nippers, and as
sure as God made little green apples will soon shred your Siamese
fighting fish's fins down to nothing. If you want a solitary barb,
choose something like the cherry barb, which is territorial and does
best either alone or in groups in a big tank. They're actually good
fun in groups, chasing one another about. But one is fun, too.> The
reason I'm e-mailing you is that I've just introduced the
Siamese Fighting Fish yesterday, and today I've noticed that 1 of
my Glowlight Tetra's (which have been fine for ages) is swimming on
its side but is swimming happily it seems, it isn't listless or on
the bottom or top of the tank. It's swimming with the others.
<Possibly constipation, if the fish is otherwise healthy. Check the
diet. Standard flake is fine for a while, but it lacks fibre. Crushed
tinned peas and bits of cooked spinach or Sushi Nori are good green
foods for small fish. Also try live daphnia and brine shrimp. Anything
to get the digestive system working.> It also seems to have scales
missing on 1 side from what I can see. Apart from swimming on it's
side and the scales missing, it's not gasping or swimming
erratically or anything. I don't seem to see any symptoms of
disease other than the swimming on the side and the scales missing.
<Missing scales are worrying. I wonder if it has been harassed by
something. Siamese fighters are sometimes aggressive though not usually
to tetras. Tiger barbs can be nippy, as mentioned. One other thought is
physical damage, for example swimming into a filter or clumsy netting
by you or the retailer when catching the fish. Either way, it's a
good idea to treat with anti-fungus/anti-Finrot just to nip any
potential problems in the bud.> I really can't tell what's
wrong with him but I'm panicking in case it's a disease and all
my fish will die! <Doesn't sound "catchy". Treat as
recommended, and observe for other symptoms.> I don't know if
the Siamese Fighting Fish has got anything to do with it, but the pet
store I got him from assures me that he is perfectly healthy and he
isn't attacking the fish at all he seems to be having fun on his
own....? <Entirely possible he'll be fine in your tank. Siamese
fighters are usually at the receiving end of trouble in community tanks
though. They find it very difficult to swim because of their abnormal
fins. This makes it difficult to feed and to swim away from trouble.
Many fans of Siamese fighters simply recommend keeping them "in
solitary" all the time. I'm not quite that extreme, but do
watch things carefully.> I really don't know what to do. I
haven't had my water tested as I don't have a kit as yet but I
will get one straight away. I've been doing water changes weekly
(about 25%) and I've been adding a weekly cleaner that I bought
from a pet store. I doesn't actually have a name, it just says
weekly cleaner on the bottle and I've also been adding a chlorine
control when I do a water change. I add these chemicals on the advice
of the pet store but I'm starting to doubt their advice as last
time I visited the store 2 of their tanks had dead fish in which I had
to tell them about! <Firstly, get a water test kit. If you're on
a budget I recommend the dip strips. They aren't especially
accurate perhaps, but they are cheap and easy to use. Each strip comes
with nitrite, nitrate, ammonia, pH, and hardness indicators, which
covers all the basic things you need. I cut the strips longitudinally,
so get 2-for-1. Since a pack costs about £10 and contains 20
strips, that's 40 tests altogether at 25p a throw. Doing bigger
water changes will do no harm; 50% a week costs nothing more in time
and effort and doubles the positive impact of each water change on your
fish! I have no idea what "weekly cleaner" is but it sounds
like rubbish. The only thing you normally need to add to the tank
weekly is dechlorinator, and that is added to the water before its put
into the tank. Plant fertiliser is another thing, but it's
optional. Otherwise, everything else is either more or less useless
(tonic salt for example) or only to be used in certain situations (such
as pH buffer). Pet shops want you to buy stuff you add weekly because
its profitable for them. As well as providing a service, they are in
business, so you can't blame them. But you can be a bit more
discerning in what you buy. Some things, like bigger fish tanks and
better quality filter media *do* make a difference and are worth
spending the money on. But other things are often just nonsense.>
HELP! Sam <Hope this helps, Neale>
Parasitized Metynnis - 06/27/07 Hello, Wet
Ones! <In England, "Wet Ones" are moist towel things
used to wipe babies' bottoms when changing their nappies
(diapers). So, not normally something you call someone.> I have
a silver dollar, Metynnis argenteus, that I think is parasitized.
He was in quarantine (30 gal w/ air stones and Whisper III OTB
filter) for 2 months, along with several rainbows, some hatchet
fish, and some neon tetras. All appeared well in quarantine. We
moved these fish to our 150 gal show tank about 4 weeks ago. After
about 3 days we lost one of the hatchet fish to causes unknown.
Four days ago we noticed a whitish spot on the side of the silver
dollar and a similar one on one of the hatchets. The hatchet passed
the next day. The silver dollar is still feeding well and swimming
just fine! The white spot is diminished, but this dark spot just
showed up. I've included three pictures. What is it!!!
<Well, I can't see anything particularly worrying in the
photo. Treating the tank with anti-Whitespot would probably be wise
though, just in case. Hatchetfish are uncommonly sensitive fish,
especially when recently imported. Once settled, they become a bit
more robust, but the smaller species (Carnegiella spp.) never
really become "hardy". Do bear in mind hatchets seem to
need a lot of food to stay healthy, while silver dollars require at
least some greens in their diet. Observing these two guidelines
should help in the long term.> <Cheers, Neale>
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Neon Tetra with mouth stuck
open. 6/21/07 Hi All, > I'm Fran and this
question really does what it says on the tin. We have a neon tetra who
appears to have his mouth wedged open. He sort of inhales smaller food
particles so he's not starving, but it looks painful. My other half
reckons it's just because he's old, and he does not seem the
type of fish to leap about and injure himself, but I do not know what
else could have done this and what I can do to help him. Many thanks on
behalf of myself and Tetra, F. <Hello Fran. This does sometimes
happen, and usually when I've seen this on tetras it is because of
a congenital deformity. Sometimes larger fish, like cichlids, dislocate
their jaws when fighting. But that's unlikely to be the problem
here. I'm not sure how a neon might damage its jaw to this degree,
at least, not without something obvious, like mouth fungus, setting in
first. Since the fish is feeding and otherwise healthy, I wouldn't
worry about it too much. FYI, Neons should live for around 3-4 years in
aquaria, if that helps you decide whether he's "old" or
not. Cheers, Neale.>
Death of our white-tipped tetra -
overfed? 3/14/07 Hi, <Hello there> Thanks for
such an informative and interesting site. <Welcome> Me and my
boyfriend are reasonably new to the fish keeping game and sadly
we've just experienced our first fish death. I'm really
writing for some advice so that hopefully we can avoid any too
many more in the future. <Sounds good> We have a 112 litre
tank (just under 30 US gallons according to the online converter).
We've had the tank since January and we cycled it for 3 weeks
before adding fish (we have a very good LFS who wouldn't let
us buy fish until we provided them with a water sample from
our cycled tank!!!). <Good for them, you, the planet> Water
parameters were fine when we tested on Saturday (nitrite
and ammonia 0, nitrate 12mg/L, ph 8). <Yikes... this
last is quite high... particularly for small S. American Tetras...>
Sorry - not sure how parts per gallon work but 12mg/L is
reasonably low. <Parts per million and milligrams per liter are
equivalents... the same... Think about this... there are a million
milligrams or water...> The tank is filtered, heated (around 76
F) and planted (grasses, a couple of broad leaf plants and some
floating plants). We have: 3 bamboo shrimp 5 white-tipped tetras (was
six) 4 Corys 1 whip-tail catfish 2 thick-lipped gouramis (male/female
pair) <Sounds very nice... but do watch those Gouramis> Yesterday
I did a 20% water change (tap water with dechlorinator added -
roughly same temperature as tank water). Everyone seemed fine. A
few hours later we feed them frozen bloodworm. We tend to do this
once a week - usually at the weekend when we can watch them
going nuts over them! Again, everyone seemed fine. We first
noticed things weren't right a few hours later when the male
Gourami charged at one of the tetras (I know gouramis can be
territorial but this was a major shock as we have the most chilled
out and friendly Gourami). <At times...> On closer inspection I
think it was because the tetra was behaving oddly - floating at
the top of the tank and spasming. The Gourami didn't do him
any damage, I think he was just curious. The tetra couldn't
swim against the flow of the water and when he did try to swim he
was spasming quite violently. He was looking swollen but
other than that not a mark on him. He found a quiet place behind
the filter and stayed there for an hour or so. Then he seemed to
perk up a bit and went for a little swim. He was gasping for air
though. He then went and sat at the bottom of the tank and after a
few hours he died. We scooped him out and my boyfriend gave
him a close inspection - not a mark on him. The tetra looked very
swollen so perhaps we overfed him. He was absolutely fine in the
morning and acting as normal so it was a very sudden
deterioration. We didn't feed any more bloodworm than
normal but he was our smallest tetra by quite a margin and so
perhaps he ate more than his share?? Does this sound possible?
<Is, yes> I've read that bloodworm can be hard to digest
- is this a big problem? <Can be for small fishes, yes> The
other tetras didn't look swollen at all and were swimming
around fine. We've had the tetras since the end of January and the
last addition to the tank, the Corys, we have had for 3 weeks now.
Could it be an infection and would you advise any action? <Not
likely an infection... I would not "treat" here... more
likely to cause harm than help> I can't help thinking
we've overfed him, which makes me really sad. He looked
swollen and uncomfortable and it all happened so quickly that
I'm sure it must have been something that day - the food
or the water change. <These could both contribute...> Much
appreciate any guidance you can give. Sorry for the mix of
volume units - I'm British but thought you'd appreciate US
measures where I could do them. Thanks Naomi <No worries... A
third possibility is that this one fish had a sort of
genetic/developmental disorder... Fishes aren't "quite
developed" even at good size... Bob Fenner>
Non-cottony mouth fungus on blue tetra? Also,
black neon with balance problem - 5/5/2006 Hi crew!
<<Hi, Helen.>> (Before I begin, the tank details:
15-gallons (12" * 12" * 24"), quite densely planted, no
CO2, nearly a year old, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites, nitrates usually under 5
ppm (and always under 10 ppm), temperature 27 C, pH 6.5 (tap water used
for water changes has pH of 7.5), 20% water changes once per week.
Stocked with 3 Danios, 3 black neon tetras, 2 silvertip tetras, 2 blue
tetras, 1 Otocinclus. Fed once per day, alternately with flake and
tetra granules, with bloodworms or daphnia once per week.) <<All
sounds excellent, Helen. Great job on the care and feeding.>> I
have two new blue tetras who've been in my 15-gallon planted tank
for about a month now (they went through two weeks of quarantine first,
following your excellent advice!). <<Our advice isn't worth
much without folks like you who make the effort to follow it.
:)>> One of them has settled in beautifully (chases around the
Danios, who are three times his size!), but the other one is far more
retiring - he seems to pick a spot away from the other fish and lurk in
it, changing his hideaway every week or so. In the past two weeks,
I've noticed that he's developed a light, dull patch just above
his mouth, on his "nose". I immediately thought "mouth
fungus!"... but the pictures I've found online show that the
symptom of this is a fluffy, cottony growth. His patch is
light-coloured, but flat and smooth. Could this be mouth fungus, or
something else? <<I would be thinking that this is more like a
"scuff" or abrasion. Enough to change the coloration but not
a physical trauma to be concerned about.>> I'm a little
concerned by his lethargy, but he doesn't gasp or hang at the
surface, and comes out from his hiding place in a great hurry whenever
food is introduced to the tank (he's eating very well). Apart from
the white patch, his general colouration is vibrant and shiny. I
can't pinpoint when the patch first appeared, but having been
watching it for 2 weeks it doesn't seem to have become bigger or
changed texture. <<I've mentioned this in other responses and
will again here. It's always a good sign when a fish feeds and
particularly good when its appetite is strong like your fish is
demonstrating. I would attribute the hiding and seeming lethargy to
"shyness" more than anything else. Personally, I've got
fish that all but jump into my hand when I feed them and others (same
species) that sort of lay back waiting for the food to come to them.
All are healthy but display different kinds of behavior.>> Do you
think it would be a good idea to put him back in the quarantine tank
for a course of antibacterial treatment? Unfortunately, I don't
have access to medicated food in the UK. <<I don't see any
need for this right now, Helen. In fact, I don't think it would be
a good idea from the standpoint of handling and trying to re-settle the
fish in a new environment so soon.>> Also, my oldest black neon
tetra (had him nearly as long as the tank, and he's now about
2" long) has always hung at a bit of an angle, but over the past
few months it has become more pronounced - he now hangs at a 45-degree
angle, nose-up, when stationary! When moving around, he can swim
normally. He's active and eats well, but I'm worried that when
stationary he does seem to have to work his fins quite hard to stay in
one place (he looks as if he'd tail-slide backwards and downwards
if he stopped beating his fins). No list in the horizontal plane,
though. I'm assuming that this is a swim-bladder problem, and what
I've read suggests that these are very difficult to treat. Would it
be worth trying him with a quick course of antibacterial medication
anyway? <<No. Never a good idea to treat for something that
can't be positively identified (or as close to it as humanly
possible). I've got one lone survivor out of 12 from a disastrous
bout of Neon Tetra Disease (had them all in quarantine, thank goodness,
and he spent an additional four or five weeks in "solitary"
afterward) who displays the same type of swimming behavior. Perfectly
normal otherwise but always seems a little "nose-up" when
stationary. I'm not concerned and I don't think you should be,
at this point, either.>> Thank you very much for your time, and
your excellent site! Helen <<I hope I've helped lessen your
concerns, Helen. You're doing a wonderful job.
Tom>>
Non-cottony mouth fungus on blue tetra? Also,
black neon with balance problem - 05/05/2006 Thanks for the advice
and encouragement, Tom! Though... maybe it was a little _too_ much
encouragement... a simple trip to LFS to get more water conditioner
somehow ended up with us walking out with a new 8-gallon heated tank,
an armful of plants, and a splendid little blue/green Betta (we'd
been talking about getting one for a couple of weeks - and doing the
research - so it wasn't _completely_ an impulse purchase... but it
wasn't what we went to the store for!). Multiple tank syndrome
beckons... <<Oh, stop! I've a 20-gallon tank lying fallow
right now that's virtually "screaming" for inhabitants.
(I can hear it calling me as we speak, in fact!) Seriously, I'm
glad I could help. (Hmmmm... A couple of Bolivian Rams, perhaps.)
:)>> Helen <<Tom>>
Sick Von Rio tetras? 9/13/05 Howdy WWM Crew,
I stumbled (serendipitously) onto your site
when I was looking for aquarium plant advice.
My 16 gallon bow front tank houses 8 Von Rio
Tetras, a few live plants, and a small number of snails that slipped in
with the plants. Together with weekly 20% water changes,
filtration is performed by a Whisper 30 filter (I'm also thinking
of adding some peat filtration.) The temperature is 80 F.
The tetras eat well, aren't breathing hard,
appear to swim normally, and have become much redder & more
iridescent since I got them 2 months ago. However, the edge
of the dorsal fin on all of my fishes is milky looking (not fuzzy or
spotty and the fin is not jagged. The fishes came this
way.) The milkiness doesn't appear to be spreading over
the rest of their bodies, but I am very worried. Does this
sound like a bacterial/fungal disease? <Mmm, no>
Also, pictures of these fish on the web show 2 dark stripes
on the body- mine don't :| . Thank you from a new fishkeeper, Anne
<A geographical variation in this species... I would not be
concerned re the lack of barring, the white on their dorsals. Bob
Fenner>
Fat Fish (tetras) Bob, The last several weeks I have had
several of my various tetra fish look like they were going to
explode... There stomachs more than double in size, they definitely are
breathing hard and look like they are in agony. I have no idea what
would be causing this, or what should I do to protect the rest of my
tank. I have a 55 gal tank and so far have had 4 fish go through this.
None are the same species but all have been Tetra's. Deb <There
are some protozoan and worm diseases of Tetras that might account for
this "bloated" appearance/difficulty, as well as diets of
foods that are hard to digest (some dried, some fresh/frozen)... and a
few chemical possibilities. Do you modify your water quality? Utilize
live plants? Please specify which types of Tetras are affected and what
other animals you have in your system (good clues). Bob Fenner>
Sick tetra? I have a red eye tetra that's ballooned up on
the under side; is this a pregnancy or a bladder or swim bladder
disease? <Hello...Jorie here. I really can't say
what's going on without some more information. First off, how big
is your tank, how many other fish are in it (and what type), and how
long has it been setup and running for? Have you tested the water
recently for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? If so, what are the
readings? (Ideally, all should be at zero.) Also, what is your
fish's behavior like to make you think it could be a swim bladder
disorder?> It had no swim difficulties... <This likely rules out
swim bladder disorder> and gills quickly <Do you mean rapid
breathing? I'm not quite sure what you mean. If it is
rapid breathing, do test your water for ammonia, nitrite and nitrates,
as mentioned above, and do a water change to get those readings to zero
if necessary.> What should I treat it with? <For now, I'd say
nothing. Do a water change and please try to give me some more specific
information about the tank, other fish, and the affected fish's
behavior so that I can better help you.> Many thanks, <You are
welcome. Good luck.>
Sick Tetras I have a question regarding my neon tetras. I
have a 25 gallon tank with a bio wheel and Eclipse filter. The ph is
constant at 7, the temperature is constant at 80 and I do regular water
changes (every 3-4 weeks as advised by our Aquarium store) and I treat
the water with a Sera product called Aquatan before I add new water. I
do not know the ammonia and nitrite amounts as I do not have a test kit
for these yet. Our tank has been set up for 18 months and we have
had no problems. We have 5 neon tetras, 5 lemon tetras, 2 Corydoras, 3
Otos, and 3 blue German rams that replaced 3 swordfish (the children
were upset about the whole eating of the young aspect). Today I notices
a problem with our Neons. They all seem to have ragged fins from a mild
to severe degree, most have some sort of dark greenish/blackish patches
on their sides, and one in particular is emaciated and a very dull
colour. This one also seems to have pop eye (one other looks like he is
developing it ) and at certain angles I can see a few white things
attached to his eyes and head (only this one seems to have the white
effect). Is this neon tetra disease? What else could it be? Will
it affect the other fish? How should I treat it? The other fish seem
fine although one or two of the lemon tetras seem to have a couple of
slight ragged/split spots on their fins that I had put down to age or
nipping by the male swordfish we had. Thank you for your time in
answering this question as my daughter is very upset and I want to make
sure I treat the tank expediently and appropriately. Lisa < Forget
testing for ammonia and nitrites and get a nitrate test kit. Changing
the water every three to four weeks may not be enough and may need to
changed more often. I would recommend a 30% water change while
vacuuming the gravel and then clean the filter. Now that the tank is
clean you should see some improvement. The tail/fin rot may need to be
treated if it gets worse with Nitrofurazone. The Popeye is an internal
bacterial infection that needs to be treated with Metronidazole. After
treating your bacteria that breaks down the fish waste may be gone so I
would add some Bio-Spira to recycle the tank.-Chuck>
Sick Tetras II Thanks for your quick reply. I wanted to
follow up and let you know some more information that I got today. I
took the neon tetras on a little trip back to the Aquarium shop
(Aquariums West in Vancouver) and the staff were baffled by the greeny
black patches. They agreed they looked sick but had seen nothing like
it and said it was not tail rot. They are going to keep them in
isolation for a few days and have a couple of other fish experts take a
look. It likely will not help the fish but I want to know if it will
spread to the other fish and they are very curious. I had our water
tested and the nitrates and ammonia were both zero so I don't think
the water is a problem (I do change the filter every time I do a water
change). I will let you know if they come up with a interesting
diagnoses. Thanks again for your answer and your informative website,
Lisa < Diagnoses is always difficult when you cannot see the animal.
Hope they are able to help. -Chuck>
Serpae Tetra shimmy while swimming 8/9/05 I have a ten gallon
tank with 3 Serpae Tetras, 2 Platies, and 2 Otocinclus. My tank is 8
months old and I have not had any problems with it other than a rough
start with cycling when I first set up the tank and a case of Ich
(during that cycling period) that wiped out all the fish except one
Tetra. It is that original Tetra that I am having a problem
with. He seems to shimmy when he swims. I have
read all of your postings on "Shimmy" but they all
seem to indicate that the fish is standing still when he shimmies.
<Usually, yes> My fish only shimmies when he is
actually swimming. This started a couple weeks ago and at
first I thought it was some kind of mating behavior but now he seems to
be swimming slightly slanted to the side. He still has a
healthy appetite and seems to be playful with the other
fish. Any ideas? Is this something that I should
treat. All the other fish seem fine. Even though this fish
survived the start up cycle and the Ich could that have had any long
term effects on him? Thank for all you do Tina <Thank you for
writing, and so well, thoroughly. This one fish sounds like it is
neurally damaged... perhaps from the cycling trouble, Ich-medicine
exposure. It very likely does not have something that is catching. I
would just keep it as you have been, and hope it straightens up. Bob
Fenner>
Hatchet Fish Question 30 Jun 2005
Hi Mr. Fenner, <Patty> I was hoping you'd be able to help me
with this fish question. My hatchet fish is doing something
very strange. For the past few weeks, it has been swimming
vertically and looks almost like it's doing a River dance
jig. Do you know if it is suffering some kind of ailment?
<Possibly... damage to its gas bladder... from a parasite? Maybe
from too much dry food...> Once in a blue moon, it'll flop down
at the bottom of the tank. The first time, I thought it was
dead or dying and was about to scope him up when it flipped back up and
started doing it's jig again. It has been eating and
seems to be aware of it's surroundings. I personally
think it might have hit it's head trying to jump out of the tank or
something. <Another possibility, yes> Unfortunately, I think
it's freaked out the other two hatchets in the tank, who are
swimming normally. Appreciate any thoughts about this.
<You might want to add another specimen or two... these are social
animals. Keep your tank covered! Bob Fenner> Patty
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