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P. imperator... beh., comp. 5/20/13
Hi guys I have a quick question, I have a 5" emperor angel in my
187 gallon tank ( tank dimensions 60"x30"x24"), I've had him
for around 8 months but recently I noticed blotchy white patches
all over his body,
<Mmm, such are usually due to "emotional distress"; though can be
physiological directly>
I went to feed my fish today and as usual the emperor & my puffer
<Mmm, what species, size is this puffer?>
where the first two fish up at the top of the tank but when I fed the fish
he sort of picked at the food and didn't seem his bullish self now he
has got me a bit worried, the blotchy white patches have appeared and
his colour has faded a bit, is this a disease or is the angel still in
the process of changing from juvenile to adult coloration?
<Perhaps a bit of the latter>
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Steve
<I'd be keeping my eye on the puffer, other livestock here. Something is
not to the Emperor's liking. Bob Fenner>
Re: re:
5/21/13
Thanks for the reply Bob
The puffer is a Stars and Stripes puffer he's around 7 inches,
<Mmm, the principal, a principal culprit>
But I've never seen either the puffer or emperor go near each other in
an aggressive manner
<... just the same... could be intimidating the Angel>
not even when food is in the tank in fact the puffer is the most docile
fish in the tank. I know the emperor will get too big for the tank but I
don't think he has to compete for space or food at the moment, I should
point out that he isn't breathing heavily and is swimming around as
normal and he has started to eat again and be his normal bullish
self so I'm pretty happy with that, but I was over in my lfs and
they said I should give him a formaldehyde dip
<?! I would NOT do this. Too toxic and traumatizing>
but I don't want to stress him or do a dip just incase it has a negative
effect on him, but the white patches are still bothering me so I was
just wondering if you think is it best to do the dip or have the
poor fish go through unnecessary stress by catching him and putting him
in a bucket if there is nothing wrong with him, I appreciate your input
Bob.
Thanks
Steve
<As prev. stated; I'd just stay observant at this point. BobF>
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Emperor Angel, hlth. 12/7/11
Hi there, Guess who's back once again at your mercy? Yes Jim
again. I have a Emperor Angel for probably three months. He
blotches and spots a lot and is probably 75% changed. I don't
see normal Ick signs. I am starting to worry about him thinking
putting him in quarantine, but not sure to treat him for.
Is this normal when there changing or does he have a disease?
<This fish is very stressed by something... water quality,
nutrition, some tankmate/s bullying?>
He eats fine and shows no signs of stress. No other fish show any
signs.
Sent some pictures. Thanks, Jim
<You don't supply sufficient input, information to respond
substantively.
Read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/EmpAHlthF5.htm
and all the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
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Re: Emperor Angel 12/7/11
Hi Bob, Unfortunately I think he stressed from my larger
blueface.
<Ahh, too likely so>
He is in a 180. He chases him away off and on , but is not
hurting him at all.
<Mmm, psychological/social health is a reality, as real as any
other type of disease>
I know they say only one large angel in each tank. I am
hopefully going to get a 265 off craigslist in the next few days.
I love them both and really don't want to get rid of him. I
see several angels together in big tanks all the time.
<Yes... there are indeed service companies that crowd quite a
few in large systems... dividing territoriality, aggression it
seems. Doesn't happen in the wild I assure you>
So why cant I do it?
<You only have two and the size/volume of the system>
Do you think I should put him in quarantine until I get a
bigger tank?
<Somewhere else, yes>
I have probably 300lbs of live rock with lots of hiding
places in my 180.
<Mmm, I'd actually remove about half of this... make
"bommies" instead of a wall... to allow swimming space,
more water, and chances for all to get out of visual/sight of
each other. Understanzee?>
Nitrate, ammonia, and nitrite out at zero. Salt gravity
1.025, and temp at 80. Love you guys, Jim
<Thank you Jim. BobF>
Re: Emperor Angel 12/8/11
Hi Bob, Thanks so much for advice. I will remove alot <no such
word> of rock tomorrow and put it in my quarantine. I hope the
hypo salinity well not kill it.
<Me too>
I have one more question. I have a green mandarin that been
thriving. Do I need to get rid of him because I am removing a lot
of my rock? He feeds off the rocks and eats Mysis, and hoping
someday Spectrum pellets.
<There should be enough production from the remaining quantity
of LR and if the sump is on the same system... it will continue
to supply foods as well.
BobF>
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| Markings on an Emperor Angel, dangerous mix in a FO
system - 05/10/2006 Dear WetWebMedia, I'm Luca.
I've purchased a Pomacanthus Imperator 4 months ago and lately
I've notices some white spots on one of his fin. It doesn't
show any other troubles, no white spots on the body and no Velvet.
I've also a Ac. Leucosternon, so if something was wrong in my
aquarium, I can bet an eye <Interesting oath> the Leuc. got
it first. The spot looks like a little white mildew. I've
checked my water and everything is fine; I've tried a treatment
with Malachite green without any significant success. Then I've
tried several bath with ozone treatment, the same result. At this
point I'm quite worried what kind of nasty bacterium or virus
could stand all of this. <Perhaps nothing that can be
treated...> Another strange fact is that all the other fishes
are fine. My aquarium is a 700 lt and inside we got: 1 Maculosus,
<... not large enough for two, these two Pomacanthids> 1
Pseudobalistes fuscus, 1 Balistes conspicillum, <Nor these
Triggers, particularly the last> 1 ac. leucos., 1 Balistes Huma.
I hope you could help me cos I don't know what else I can do.
Thank you for your assistance Luca <... You need a much larger
system, or two, immediately... I would move the one Angel (the
Emperor) to the easier going of the two, add a purposeful cleaner
organism... or two, and otherwise wait and see. Bob Fenner> |
RichardB's go - 05/10/2006 Dear WetWebMedia, I'm
Luca. < Hello Luca!> I've purchased a Pomacanthus
Imperator 4 months ago and lately I've notices some white spots
on one of his fin. It doesn't show any other troubles, no white
spots on the body and no Velvet. I've also a Ac. leucosternon,
so if something was wrong in my aquarium, I can bet an eye the
Leuc. got it first. < There is no doubt about that! > The
spot looks like a little white mildew. I've checked my water
and everything is fine; I've tried a treatment with Malachite
green without any significant success. Then I've tried several
bath with ozone treatment, the same result. At this point I'm
quite worried what kind of nasty bacterium or virus could stand all
of this. < It could possibly be a form of Lymphocystis, a viral
infection that typically is not a threat to the overall health of
the fish. Most fish are not affected by Lymphocystis, but rather
from the improper use of medications. > Another strange fact is
that all the other fishes are fine. My aquarium is a 700 lt and
inside we got: 1 Maculosus, 1 Pseudobalistes fuscus, 1 Balistes
conspicillum, 1 ac.leucos., 1 Balistes Huma. I hope you could help
me cos I don't know what else I can do. < Investigate the
Lymphocystis, if that is indeed what ails the fish, don't
worry. Frequent partial water changes, coupled with vitamin spiked
foods should encourage the demise of the symptoms. Good luck, and
keep us posted! > Thank you for your assistance < You are
welcome! RichardB >
Luca |
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Emperor Angel Splotches Hi there,<Hello Ryan> I
recently purchased an Imperator (Emperor) Angel for a LFS and with what
appeared to be great success. Within the first day he began eating. I
have been feeding him from a Marine frozen multi-pak. He eats all of
this with as much enthusiasm as my fox face lo which is his new buddy,
or so it appears. <<Not. RMF>>The problem is that he has developed light color
blotches over his skin. Nothing like Ich, in fact he isn't
scratching or breathing rapidly. He just has these discolorations that
started on his fins and have progressed to the rest of his body. Could
you give me an idea of what I might be dealing with? I am very involved
with my hobby and am excited about maintaining this high-risk/
high-reward fish. <Ryan, if you or a friend has a digital camera,
send a photo as an attachment so I could look at it. It very well may
be marine velvet, but without looking at it I cannot make a judgment.
James (Salty Dog)> Thanks, Ryan
Stress/Fright Pattern on Emperor Hey Bob (and Co.) <and
strange company he keeps, indeed! Anthony Calfo in your service> As
I told you last time, my Emperor's white discolorations disappeared
after a simple water change and some vitamins in his food. I've
only used the vitamins 3 times so I think it's the water change and
refreshed carbon that did the trick. I noticed last night he was just
starting to get them again. It's been about a week since my last
water change so I'll do another tonight. It seems that my Emperors
colors are a direct reflection of water quality and that they can
change within a day. <precarious water quality if so. Maybe you are
short in stature like me and dipping your armpits laced with aluminum
infused deodorant is affecting the water quality so...hehe. Just a
theory (with some truth in it! regarding toxicity!)> So it seems my
water deteriorates to a point where his color is affected in about 6
days. My question is: Is this normal? <not by any stretch of
the imagination> I don't think so. Perhaps I have too much of a
biological load on the tank? <agreed...a very common and
likely scenario confirmed with water tests> I'm considering
removing one of my large tangs as they seem to produce a massive amount
of waste. What do you think is going on here? <agreed on the tang...
and also beneficial that the tangs intimidating presence (even if not
aggressive) is removed (by virtue of his size if nothing else. Kindly,
Anthony> Rick
Stressed Emperor Thanks Anthony. <quite welcome, my
friend> I'll get rid of a tang this weekend. One of them does
challenge the Emperor once in a while but the Emperor puts him in his
place every time. <yes...but the constant threat and stress to
do so takes a toll> The emperor actually makes a LOUD barking sound
at the purple tang. <very cool. Hopeful not much longer though
<smile> Anthony> Rick
Emperor Angel If you don't mind Anthony, one last follow
up. <no trouble at all...it is an honor that anyone should care to
know one's opinion> If I hear you, I should get rid of both of
my tangs (purple/yellow). <not necessary...but it would be nice.
There are much less stressful tankmates> The tank is 75gall. I have
no problem moving the tangs as I just love this angel and would be
happy with him as the only big fish. <admirable> However, I would
like to put something else (smaller obviously) to keep the tank
active. <considering the angels adult size...the next fish
will have to be small if you add anything at all in replacement> Any
suggestions ( I know you guys don't like to do this) I already have
a maroon clown and a Levi Angel. <there are so many choices...but
your goal should be to find something that is dissimilar in shape,
size, and/or color and most importantly... a different feeding mode.
For example, there are a lot of exciting wrasses (like fairies) that
are colorful, active and not at all competitive with the angel. Choose
carefully...some are incredibly hardy and others near impossible to
keep alive. Look through some pictures and follow up with a short list
if you want a second opinion> Thanks....for the last time I PROMISE.
<no worries at all> Rick...overlooking ground zero in NY.
<Ahhh...It actually brought a tear to my eye to watch the Budweiser
commercial (during the super bowl) with the Clydesdale horses trekking
to NY to bow at the Statue of Liberty...seriously. And I'm not even
a beer drinker. Kind regards, Anthony
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