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FAQs about Marine Crab Identification 15

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Re: LPS ID.. Now decapod ID, sans pic!  11/6/09
Hi Crew,
Bob, Thank you for your advice, I did not buy that coral...
Now I have one more question. A 7 months ago, when I just started my tank, I got live rocks. Then one month later I noticed one tiny crab, less then 1/4 inch, looked like green emerald, with hairy legs and same kind of feeding behavior, just completely black. This thing is growing so fast, and now it is about 1.5 inch. Is still crapping algae and does not bother other tank mates. I can not get a picture because it spend all the time between rocks. Can you tell me what it is, how save to keep it in my tank, and if it is not save, how to get rid of it?
<Nope>
Thank you very much for your help and everything you do to help people like me.
Best regards,
Igor
<Need images Igor. Please read through here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/swcrabidfaqs.htm
and the linked files in the series above. BobF>

Mystery Crab: Likely Anomuran: Porcelain Crab – 10/17/09
Hi
<Hello Jan, Lynn here this morning.>
I have a new Red Sea Max 1250 tank set up just with live rock for the moment and have 3 crabs? These have a large claw, small order pincer thing and banded legs but the body is tiny, much smaller than the big claw. They seem to feed by two feeler things which go up and down to the mouth in sequence and these have two large fans attached. Look a bit like a Spanish dancing girl!
<Heee! Very observant! What you describe is typical of Porcelain crabs (family Porcellanidae). Those “fans” are used to filter organics/plankton from the water. For more information on these neat little “false” crabs, please see the FAQ titled “Mystery Crab (actually an Anomuran) – Likely Porcelain Crab – 8/16/09” at the following link: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/squatlobfaqs.htm >
Any idea what they are and if dangerous,
<Luckily, they’re not dangerous to humans (beyond the possibility of getting pinched), but like most crabs, they’re opportunistic critters so do keep them well fed as noted at above link.>
I have not yet put anything in the tank just cleaning crew snails and a blued legged hermit.
<Oh, you’re just getting started! Enjoy the process and all the critters that show up, including these neat little guys!>
Many thanks.
<You’re very welcome, it was my pleasure.>
Jan Randall
<Take care, Lynn Zurik>

Re: Mystery Crab: Likely Anomuran: Porcelain Crab – 10/17/09
Hi Lynn
<Hi Jan!>
Many thanks for the fast reply.
<All due to your terrific description!>
I think the animal is an Anomuran although mine don't look like any picture so far, so is probably Anomuranrandallis!
<Heeee! There are many genera and species in the family Porcellanidae so identification to species level can be a real challenge. If you can get together some good photos though, and tell me where the crabs/rock originated, I’d be glad to give it a try. I may not get it to species level but I might be able to narrow it to genus. Even that can be an accomplishment! If you do get a chance to take some photos, try to get a good one from above showing the carapace, all the legs, and the claw arms. Also, if you can get a good close-up of both claws/arms, that would be terrific. The more detail you can capture, the better chance we have of success! Oh, and one last thing, if you remove the crab to a bowl of tank water to take photos (keep crab submerged), don't be too surprised if the little fellow loses a claw or two. These guys sometimes drop them when feeling threatened/stressed, but with good health/husbandry, they should be back within a few molts.>
Great to know I can ask the experts when I get stuck.
<Heeee! I'm no expert, but I’m happy to help anyway!>
Best wishes, Jan.
<Same to you, Jan. Take care, LynnZ>


Re: Mystery Crab: Likely Anomuran: Porcelain Crab – 10/18/09
<Hi Jan>
Right, will have a go when I can.
<Sounds great. I look forward to seeing the little fellows!>
Best wishes, Jan.
<Thanks, Jan. Take care, LynnZ>
Me too.

Identification problem... Small crab, SW  8/30/2009
Hello,
<Maidie>
I would like to ask your advice please.
<Sure>
Whilst carrying out my second 10% water change of the week, today and general cleaning routine, I noticed a tiny crab in my live rock, at first I thought it was a tiny tarantula, but then quickly realised when it
surfaced from the crevice in the rock, that it was in fact a crab. It is grazing on the live rock and is about 1 centimetre big. Taking a good picture has proved too difficult so I have tried to write a good description of it.
White/cream coloured claws, with brown equally sized pincers, with white tips to them. Pincers seem to have one serration on each pincer, half way up.
On the end of the other legs there are pink tips.
<Mmmm>
The body is cream/white in colour and there are two thick black vertical lines running through the shell of the body.
Eyes are black, not on stalks,
There are slight hairs on the legs and body. The legs are white/cream with black dots where there are joints.
It is not a hermit crab.
Could you please advise me about this crab, I have tried to catch it but it
is a fast mover, I am worried about my corals and fish:
<Mmm, at this size, not likely an issue. T'were this system mine, I'd just ignore this little Decapod>
Blue male Psychedelic Mandarin
Red female Psychedelic Mandarin
Yellow Tailed Blue Damsel
Pair of Mated True Percula Clowns
Royal Gramma
Thank you in advance.
Maidie.
<Innocent till evidence of guilt... Bob Fenner>

Mystery Crab (actually an Anomuran) – Likely Porcelain Crab – 8/16/09
Hi.
<Hi Sarah, Lynn here today.>
I hope you can help me identify this little guy.
<Me too!>
I've had my tank up and running a year and a half now. The last time I bought any new critters for my tank was about 3 months ago.
<Okay>
This morning, this little guy showed up.
<Neat! It looks like a little porcelain crab, family Porcellanidae, of which there are many genera and species. They’re primarily filter feeders that rhythmically wave a pair of interesting feather/fan-like mouth parts through the water in order to gather organics, plankton, etc. Although these are referred to as crabs, they’re not actually “true” crabs (Brachyurans). They are instead Anomurans, a group that includes hermits, mole crabs, squat lobsters, etc. Both Brachyurans and Anomurans are decapod (ten-footed) crustaceans, however, crabs such as yours have 3 pairs of walking legs instead of 4. A much smaller fourth pair is folded and held either above or below the abdomen (not used for walking). They also have long antennae just distal to/behind the eyes, a mobile abdomen that can be used to propel the crab, and large claws that are used for territorial disputes and defense instead of feeding/predation. These crabs, although primarily filter feeders, are also opportunistic scavengers and detritivores. Luckily, they’re generally small and don’t pose anywhere near the risk that true crabs do (such as Xanthids – family Xanthidae). I would keep this little fellow around and enjoy! As a scavenger, it’ll likely take most foods – pellet, flake, bits of meaty foods (of marine origin). For more information, please see the following links: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/galatheids.htm
Similar species, listed under “A new porcellanid species from the Caribbean Sea”: http://www.uni-giessen.de/porcellanidae/ >
Thanks again,
<It was a pleasure.>
Sarah
<Take care, LynnZ>

Crab ID: Possible Xanthid or Pilumnid, Brachyuran Identification Issues – 7/20/09
Hello Incredibly Helpful WetWeb Crew,
<Hello incredibly nice Lianne, Lynn here today.>
If possible, is there someone who might identify this crab for me? (I checked your ID pages first.)
<I sure wish I could but for me to even begin to narrow things down, I’d need some additional photos such as close-up shots of the claws (showing the tips, and inside edges), a good shot from above showing the carapace detail and all legs, as well as a shot of the underneath/ventral surface. Unfortunately, even with excellent photos, we’d be doing well to narrow it to the family level. Identifying Brachyurans/true crabs can be quite a challenge. According to an excellent study last year (See this link: http://rmbr.nus.edu.sg/rbz/biblio/s17/s17rbz.pdf ), there are 38 superfamilies, 93 families, 1271 genera and subgenera, and a whopping 6,793 valid species! That’s a lot of crabs! Some are easy enough to narrow to family or genus because they have such obvious and unique features, but unfortunately there are way too many crabs left out there that look similar enough in available photos to be easily misidentified. If it were only as easy as “hairy crab = X” or “spatulate/spoon-tipped claws = Y”! Wouldn’t that be great? As it is, the most dependable way of getting a definite crab ID is to have the fellow right there in front of you, along with a really good identification key or better yet, preserved specimens of similar crabs. That way you're able see all the pertinent little details that separate one family, one genus, one species from another – and believe me, those details can be small. Barring that, we have to depend on photos and unfortunately not all species are available online or (at least within my) reference books. In a perfect world, we’d have online sites with up-to-date lists, dichotomous keys, and detailed photos of all the indigenous crabs from each ecosystem/locale around the world. I think we’re headed that way, but for right now, it’s just not out there.
By the way, please don’t construe what I wrote above as some sort of dressing-down because you asked for a crab ID. Believe me, that's not my intention at all. I love seeing all the neat little crabs that people find in their tanks and enjoy the challenge of ID work. The fact is, we get crab related ID queries fairly regularly and it’s frustrating to only be able to give general, instead of specific, information on most. I just wish I were an expert and could offer swift/solid ID’s, along with species summaries! Anyway, enough of that - let’s get back to your crab! From what I see in the photo, I’m guessing that it’s likely either some sort of Xanthid (Family: Xanthidae) or a Pilumnid (Family Pilumnidae). I’ve seen a number of Xanthids that have one or both claws spatulate/spoon-tipped (genera: Leptodius, Phymodius/Cyclodius, Chlorodiella, Etisus, Pilodius, etc). Unfortunately though, they tend to have hairy legs but not hairy carapaces. Pilumnus spp. crabs (Family: Pilumnidae) are notoriously “hairy” crabs (all over), but I’ve never seen one with spoon/spatulate claw tips. Also, they tend to have deeper bodies than what I’m seeing in your photo. That doesn’t necessarily rule this family out it’s just that I couldn’t find any like yours. Please see the links below for examples:
Leptodius : http://www.wildsingapore.com/wildfacts/crustacea/crab/xanthidae/leptodius.htm
Cyclodius: http://decapoda.free.fr/illustration.php?n=2&sp=628
Pilumnus hirtellus: http://www.klissurov.dir.bg/black_sea/crustaceans/big/PilumnusHirtellus04.jpg
Pilumnus spinosissimus: http://www.scielo.br/img/revistas/bn/v5n2/en_a03fig44.jpg >
He is dead, as you can see here,
<Well, based on the fact that the eyes look empty behind a thin shell/covering, I’m wondering if that isn’t just a shed from a recent molt? If you still have the “body”, flip it over and take a look underneath. Is the abdomen opened up? If so, can you see any of the crab's “innards” or is the shell empty? If it's empty, then the crab has recently molted and will be in hiding until his shell hardens.>
..but I still have a tiny one (1/3") in residence, who also hitchhiked into my reef tank on Vanuatu live rock. His carapace measures 5/8" across and his total width is about 1.25." His pincer claws are the forceps style of a Mithrax forceps crab, with only the tip of the pincer flattened, but he is hairy on all but the pincer itself and looks quite different to my eye.
<Heee! Don’t get me started again! The good news is that in lieu of us knowing which species you have, we can at least derive some information from the claws. It’s one of those “form follows function” issues. Flattened or spoon-like tips are excellent for scraping algae, etc., off hard surfaces, grasping filamentous algae, and for scooping up soft materials. These crabs tend to be a bit better risk in reef tanks, but they’re still omnivores and opportunists. They’re generally pretty well-behaved when small, but can be a problem later on as their bodies and appetites grow.>
I observed him shyly clipping and consuming the algae on my live rock over several months.
<Yep, that fits.>
I attempted to get him interested in meaty stuff to be able to trap him, but no go. Then found him dead this morning.
<He may be in hiding. If it was just a molt, he should be back out in a couple of days.>
His body appears to be completely unscathed, but perhaps he duked it out with my newly-out-of-quarantine Leopard Wrasse?
<Probably not. Any attack resulting in death would have been pretty obvious - dismemberment and/or nipped/missing appendages and parts(like the eyes)>
(The only other tank occupants: two young percula clowns, a young yellow-tail Damsel, two cleaner, two ghost, and one fire shrimp).
<Doubt any of those could have done it – unless the crab was in a molt and exposed/not hidden. If that had happened, there would have been obvious damage to the body as mentioned above. I’m thinking that unless you can actually see tissue inside that shell, there’s a good possibility that what you have is just a shed.>
Thank you for your thoughts
<You're welcome! Bet you weren’t thinking you’d get quite so many of my thoughts though, huh?>
..and your phenomenally helpful web column.
<On behalf of Bob and the crew past and present, you’re very welcome!>
Lianne
<Take care, LynnZ>
PS. He has 4 legs on each side in addition to his pincers.
<Thanks!>

Re: Crab ID: Possible Xanthid or Pilumnid, Brachyuran Identification Issues – 7/21/09
<Hi Lianne!>
Thank you so very much, Lynn, for your thoughtful and informative answer.
<You’re very welcome.>
I simply had no idea of the complexity of the species
<It’s easy to see how someone could devote a good portion of their life towards identifying and classifying these guys!>
...(or would it be family: I get confused with the names for different levels of scientific differentiation between animals?).
<I know what you mean. Here’s the order (from least to most specific): kingdom > phylum > class > order > family > genus > species. Frequently, prefixes like super, sub, infra, etc., are added to create sub or superior categories. In the case of true crabs, it’s order: Decapoda, infraorder: Brachyura, then on to superfamily, family, genus, and finally: species.>
It's wonderful to have you open that door; I will begin doing some research and will let you know if I discover similarities.
<Please do!>
It was great to be pointed in a direction!
<I’m glad I was able to help. Hopefully you’ll enjoy the subject as much as I have. I just find crabs to be fascinating little creatures. Just the variation in appearance alone is amazing. They range from the truly bizarre and outlandish to the most simplistic - almost generic, to the near comical or cartoon-like. All are wonderful!>
Sincerely,
Lianne
<Take care, LynnZ>






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