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FAQs about the Yellow Band (and Asfur) Angels
Identification
Related Articles: Marine
Angelfishes, Pomacanthus Angels, Maculosus
Angel,
Related FAQs: Asfur,
Maculosus 1, Asfur, Maculosus
2, Arusetta Behavior,
Arusetta Compatibility,
Arusetta Selection,
Arusetta Systems,
Arusetta Feeding,
Arusetta Disease,
Arusetta Reproduction,
Marine Angelfishes In General,
Angelfish ID, Selection, Behavior,
Compatibility, Health, Feeding,
Disease,
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Angel ID, and Koi color - 5/18/07
Just have two quick questions. First one is can you tell me if the
pic attached is a Mac or a Passer?
<Mmm, perhaps neither... Is an Asfur>
<Please see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/pomacanthus/maculosus.htm>
Second question is how long does it take for a fish to regain
it's color?
<Depends on... the species... reason/s for loss>
I have a Malaysian Koi that jumped out of its winter stock tank
and after saving its life, it developed a fungal infection. It was
treated and is fully cured but the color and amour plates it used to
have are not there and the color is still white where it used to be a
deep golden yellow on a blackish orange background. Will the color come
back and if so how long may it take?
<Maybe... in time... months likely>
Fish has been healed from fungus for 5 or so months and is healthy and
growing.
Sherry
<... See WWM re Koi... is this a tategoi? A small individual... may not
change to what you want, but to something else. Bob Fenner> |
Re: Angel ID, Koi color resultant from damage/fungal infection
5/20/07
For the Koi question...No this is not a tategoi. This female is 11" TL and
a cross between a standard and butterfly fin. In my neck of the woods these
are referred to as Malaysian Koi. She is a Hikarimoyo with Matsuba and
Ginrin scale/color pattern. The color loss referred to was due to the
fungal infection referred to above and only resulted due to the
infection. My question is after healing from this infection, how long for
color to fully return? Can I tweak her diet more to assist?
<Mmm, perhaps never... the loss of tissue under the scales... the
chromatophores, iridophores themselves will/would mean a permanent loss>
As for the Angel question.. I have looked at the site and studied the
page and checked in your books, which I have and am having a hard time
ID'ing fish as well. So please don't refer me back to the site as I try to
answer my questions before I write in. It is being sold as a Half Moon
Angel and dealer is unsure as to which it is as well. I have a hold on it
but would like to know what it is.
You say likely neither. If it is not a Pomacanthus Maculosus or
a Pomacanthus asfur then what do you think it is?
<It is the latter... An Asfur almost assuredly... by the color of the
caudal... Small Maculosus Angels are exceedingly rare in the trade. Bob
Fenner> |
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Asfur or the Big Mac? Red Sea Angelfish
Hi wet web media crew.
Hope it is ok, I attached a pic.
I was wondering which species it is..... P. Maculosus, OR P. Asfur ?
<An asfur>
Reading the WWM page on differentiating, Bob says how the yellow tail
in juv. is the give-away. However, I have seen loads of pics on TV (documentary
on red sea), and nearly every Mac there has a yellow tail.
<Generally more whitish>
Mine has a blue bar at the edge of his yellow tail.... I haven't seen
that in pic of Asfurs.
Mine also has the dark blue flecking on his forehead if you look
closely - again I haven't seen that on Asfurs.
Finally, mine sometimes tones down his colors to a paler blue, very
like the pale blue of adult Mac pics I've seen.
He is a little under 3" body length (little over 3" inc
tail).
Anyway, your judgment on this would be appreciated. Thanks for taking a look.
Regards, Matt
>PS. if you guys want a pic for the wet web site.... no prob.s, coz I
note you're missing one at a sort of intermediate stage.... or even for wet
web photo's.
<Thank you. Bob Fenner> |
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Half Moon Angelfish
Is the Half Moon the same thing as a "Map Angel". What
other names are
common for this fish? The Half Moon is definitely not the same as an
Asfur
Angelfish, correct?
Thanks for your abundant help! :)
<... time to send you to fishbase.org... You will find the answers to the
above there by searching the members of the genus Pomacanthus. There are MANY
common names for these fishes. Bob Fenner>
Elizabeth K. Birdwell
Re: purple moon
hi bob its me again the angel that i referred to as a purple moon is a
maculosus angel.
thanks
look forward to your reply
Karl
from New Quay Cornwall UK
<I see (sort of). Our coverage of this species and its sympatric is posted
here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/pomacanthus/maculosus.htm
and the Related FAQs (linked, in blue, at top) on WWM. Bob Fenner>
Angelfish Color Variations
Hi-
<Hi there! Scott F. with you today!>
Do all Maculosus grow up to that pretty light blue? Or do some stay darker and
look more like P. asfur as an adult? Thanks guys !
<Many possible variations with these fishes. A friend of mine has an absolutely
stunning P. maculosus that is a really deep blue. Like people, fish can vary in
appearance based on genetics, water conditions, nutrition, geographic
population, etc.>
P.S.-My Moorish Idol is at 2yrs this month!
Bart
<Well, Bart- that is a very impressive achievement! Keep up the good work with
this fish! Regards, Scott F.>
Asfur
Dear Robert,
Can you possibly identify this? All along I thought it was a Asfur, but it sure
looks a lot like my maculosus
http://www.marineangels.com/Asfur/index.htm
<I make it out as an Asfur... for the yellow caudal mainly. My pix: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pomacant.htm
Though other markings (the trailing yellow on the dorsal surface, darker blue
mottling on the head... do look like a maculosus... Perhaps a cross? Bob
Fenner>
Warmest Regards
John
Fish id?
I was reading your web site and had a question about whether or not -
my new angel fish is a Map or an Asfur. On your site I noticed you said
one of the man differences in juv. was the yellow tail, but I wasn't
sure if that was as adults or juv.!
<In juveniles, the Asfur's caudal/tail is yellow>
Either way it goes, is alright. But it was bought from FF as a juv.
Map angel.
Thanks in advance for your help & thanks for your book & web site.
<You're welcome>
Oh, I forgot on page 24 or 25, of your book - there is a picture
of an changing (either Map or Asfur)
Which one is it?
<Bottom, p. 25, an Asfur. Bob Fenner>
Thanks again,
Jackie Hutcherson
Is my Maculosus an Asfur ?
Dear Bob / Anthony / Steven.....
First of all, this is my 3rd email to you guys in 24 hours, so my apologies for
so many mails. This should be the last one for a while. Not sure who I am
getting :-), so I'll give a quick intro. Bought a little red sea angel a few
weeks back..... sold under the scientific name P. maculosus, and common name of
'purple moon angel', so obviously that caused a little confusion, but I assumed
the scientific to be the accurate one...... however the more I am reading, and
the more pics I see, he is beginning to look like an asfur!!!! Now I don't mind
either way, but none the less would like to know, and since there is a price
difference in this part of the world, then I'd like to know for that reason too.
<Please see here, http://wetwebfotos.com/Home?actionRequest=articleView&articleID=94,
regarding picture of each species and short description on telling them
apart.>
Allow me to describe him. He is approx 2" body length, maybe 2.25".
Still predominantly juvenile in coloration (obviously at that size) but he is
changing. His yellow stripe goes from the tip of his dorsal fin, to a little
over half way down his flank. The portion on the flank is practically vertical
and pointed to a sharp tip, maybe slightly leaning toward the rear, then where
the body and dorsal meet it strikes off backward at an angle to the very tip of
his dorsal. As yet I haven't seen any pictures of the Maculosus with yellow in
the dorsal, but a lot of the asfur pics show this. His caudal (this is the bit
got me really thinking) is also yellow. Not it is not as vibrant a yellow as
that in the center of his body, but it is as yellow as the yellow in his dorsal
fin. None the less, it is distinctly yellow, and his a light blue rim around the
outer edge. A slight degree of mottling is appearing on the forehead, although
judging from the pictures in "The Conscientious Marine Aquarist", this
mottling is common to both species. Looking at the pictures on P25, and on P259,
if I had to guess which one my juvenile looks more like, then I would have to
say the Asfur. Another thing I am looking at, it appears to me that the
Maculosus has a more triangular shaped tail, with a slightly straighter edge and
slightly more elongated, where as the Asfur seems to have a more slightly
rounded, fan shape tail. Lastly, with regard to behavior. I have read how the
maculosus is so much more outgoing.... well I know as a juvenile they are all
pretty cautious, but this little guy is a lot more so than the emperor I had,
and a guy I knew before commented on how his juvenile asfur spent a lot of time
hiding, as part of its natural behavior. Also, my little guy seems to really
dislike my 4 line red sea cleaner wrasse, who is very similar in color and
size.... I note how the asfur is reported as particularly not liking its own
kind, where as no such comment is found about the maculosus, and is reported as
pretty much letting everything else alone.
<None of the large angelfish like their own kind in aquariums. They are all
very territorial.>
I don't know if my description has been good enough to make a differentiation
between species or not, perhaps there is another more tell tail way of
differentiating ? I have looked at the pics on Flying fish express, Fishbase,
and of course these ones here.... and the pics in "The
Conscientious......Aquarist". I don't suppose you guys have any pics of
these angels in the transition colors? Or other sights with pics.
<Yes, www.WetWebFotos.com has many images.>
Thanks for reading in any case. Regards, Matt
<Have a nice day! -Steven Pro>
Pomacanthus Maculosus or P. Asfur?
Hi WetWebMedia crew! Hope it is ok, I attached a pic.
<No problem!>
I was wondering which species it is, P. maculosus or P. asfur?
<It looks like an Asfur to me.>
Reading the WWM page on differentiating, Bob says how the yellow tail in
juvenile is the give-away. However, I have seen loads of pics on TV (documentary
on red sea), and nearly every Mac there has a yellow tail.
<Maybe they were Asfurs.>
Mine has a blue bar at the edge of his yellow tail. I haven't seen that in pic
of Asfurs. Mine also has the dark blue flecking on his forehead if you look
closely. Again I haven't seen that on Asfurs. Finally, mine sometimes tones down
his colors to a paler blue, very like the pale blue of adult Maculosus pics I've
seen. He is a little under 3" body length (little over 3" including
tail). Anyway, your judgment on this would be appreciated. Thanks for taking a
look. Regards, Matt
PS. if you guys want a pic for the wet web site.... no problem, because I note
you're missing one at a sort of intermediate stage.... or even for wet web
photo's.
<This will definitely be posted on the WWM FAQ on Angelfish. Thank you for
your generosity. -Steven Pro>
Asfur Angel with yellow spots
Hello Crew!
I have what I think to be an Asfur Angel. She has
been fine, but recently developed yellow spots, fairly
large in size covering her body. There are probably
10 or so. She is still a juvenile, transitioning to
an adult. Her behavior has not changed, still active
and eating. Is this a problem?? Thanks for your
help! Wes.
<... have never heard of such a specimen... and have seen this species from very
small on up:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/pomacanthus/maculosus.htm
Please send a pic or two if you can. I suspect this is not a disease, but a
color morph. Bob Fenner>
Asfur Angel with yellow spots
Hello Crew!
I have what I think to be an Asfur Angel. She has been fine, but recently
developed yellow spots, fairly large in size covering her body. There are
probably 10 or so. She is still a juvenile, transitioning to an adult. Her
behavior has not changed, still active and eating. Is this a problem?? Thanks
for your help!
Wes.
<Wes, an Asfur angel will have yellow down the middle of the body. If that is
where the spots are located then I wouldn't worry about the fish's
coloration. It is a part of the process. As long as the fish is active and
eating then you should be O.K. Good Luck. MikeB.>
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