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FAQs about Green Macro-Algae Compatibility & Control
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Chaeto tank! |
Maiden's Hair Plant (Chlorodesmis sp.) 04/28/2008 Hi is Maiden's
Hair Plant (Chlorodesmis sp.) poisonous to stingrays and can it release
any kind of toxin that will harm the rays (California Stingrays)
besides the fact they can dig them up. I don't care about that I have a
section in the tank with a decoration toward the top with lighting.
<<Chlorodesmis does use a toxic substance to deter herbivores from
eating on the plant itself. I do not see this as an issue for the sting
ray>> Thanks, Michelle <<Thanks for the question, hope this
helps. A Nixon>>
Influence of Turtle Weed Allelopathy... about middling... and BBs
8/10/07 Hey Bob, <RA> Well, I wanted to go with growing a
few large SPS colonies around my BTA, but I figured that I'd just start
out with something easy. So I'm back at the Chlorodesmis/BTA tank idea.
I think I'll add on corals in the future if/when I'm ready for them and
if/when I know they'll look good. Right now, I just want to grow
something so I can get a feel for my LR and how I can use it.
Anyways, I'm back with the Chlorodesmis idea for a few reasons. First, I
like the look of it and I really don't know how good coral will look in
the places I planned on placing it. Second, I really like the pod
growing qualities of macroalgae. I have a sump area that was designed to
be a refugium, but my dad thinks a light in my stand could start a fire.
Oh well. Third, it'll outcompete negative algae, such as Valonia.
Fourth, the most obvious reason for macroalgae: nitrate reduction. So
the questions are: 1. Have you ever seen Chlorodesmis growing near
anemones? <Yes... in the wild and captivity> I've seen pictures
of it near coral colonies, but they were separated by at least a foot.
In my tank, the anemone would be very close, meaning probably coming in
contact with it everyday. If it will affect the anemone when it's that
close, I'll have to isolate it at one end of the tank. If not, then the
allelopathy must not be very effective. 2. When/If I get my
Chlorodesmis, I'll only have snails in the tank. How will I know when
the carbon has been used up? <Mmm... the easiest, perhaps best
"assay" here is a white piece of paper held up at one end of the tank...
If/when you detect "too much" color, time to replace, add to> Do the
allelopathy change anything in the water chemistry that can be seen with
a test kit? Will the snails show any visible symptoms? <Don't know
times two> 3. One of the reasons for Chlorodesmis outbreaks is lack
of circulation. I've read elsewhere that they don't require any specific
amount of flow. Yet, on websites that sell Chlorodesmis, it says that
they need high flow. Can you please explain? <The colonies seem to
grow (and look more beautiful) in flowing water... given sufficient
conditions otherwise> 4. A bit off topic, but I saw that you had a
Reef Central profile. I sent a PM to it asking a question, but then
realized that you never posted. What happened? Or was someone an
imposter? <Got me... I don't "do" BBs... a waste of time in my
estimation... What is it about the input of many unqualified people
being better than that of a more knowledgeable few? Not to defame the
chatty process entirely... but would you go to the BBs for a "real"
medical problem rather than someone university trained, AMA certified?
Me neither> Well, that's it for now. Once again, thanks for reading
this. Have a nice rest of summer. Sincerely, Random Aquarist
<Yikes! Have a nice rest of lifetime! BobF> Bubble
Algae/UV Sterilizer - 10-30-06 Hello Mr. Fenner/WetWebMedia
crew, <<Hello...Eric Russell here today>> I have just discovered
a few pieces of bubble algae in my 110 gal aquarium. The bubble algae
was perfectly round and very dark green in color. <<A species of
Valonia likely...not uncommon>> I manually removed them however one
popped and I bet I will be seeing more in the future as spores were most
likely released. <<Possibly...to what degree depends on how
"suitable" your system is to harboring these algae>> A water test
shows my nitrates are high (40 ppm). <<Yikes! Indeed so if the test
kit is accurate>> So, I know I need to work at lowering nitrates.
<<Yes...do start reading here and among the linked files at the top of
the page:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/nitratesmar.htm >> I was thinking
about purchasing a UV sterilizer which I think would kill algae spores
with the additional benefit of killing parasites. <<I'm not a fan of
these units on reef systems as they are too indiscriminate, but they can
be of benefit for FO and FOWLR systems if you're willing to keep up with
the high maintenance of these units>> However, I am concerned that
using a UV sterilizer may reduce other algae which my lawnmower blenny
eats. <<It will>> For now I will continue to manually remove any
bubble algae I see as well as reducing the nitrate level. <<May be
all you need do. A possible biological control to this species of
algae, in my experience, is the Foxface (Siganus sp.)...if your tank has
room for the additional bio-load of course>> Do you think the UV
sterilizer would help me here? <<Possibly>> And if so, what
wattage would you recommend for a 110 gallon tank? <<I'd go with one
size up from whatever the particular manufacturer suggests>> Thanks,
BobbyG <<Regards, EricR>> Chaetomorpha Competition
4/18/06 Hi Crew, <Scott F. your Crew Member today!> I
hope you are all well? <Yes, thanks! Hope you're doing okay, too!>
I have a problem with my Chaetomorpha in my Miracle Mud sump, the Chaeto
has been in there for about 2 months (shortly after addition of cured
LR) I obtained Chaeto from two different sources which left me with what
appears to be 2 different varieties - one with quite fine strands & the
other with thicker/stiffer strands. The mud area in the sump is 11"x10"
with a water depth of around 10" over this is hung a 20w Power compact
spot lamp @ 6500k 24/7 currently due to Caulerpa. I estimate around 1000
to 1500 litres per hour throughput in the sump (carbon & Polyfilter in
flow also). From my research during the design of the new system I
believe these conditions should be ideal for Chaeto (however please do
comment if you see any problems thus far). <They sound just fine to
me.> Bio load is currently low in the tank (200 litre main tank)
with about 26Kg LR, 15 Dwarf Hermits, 5 Nerites, 15 Nassarius, 2 Cleaner
Shrimp some Xenia moved from my old tank (still running thanks to
you guys) and 4 very small frags (Monti & Acro) which were earlier than
I intended but... also there is algae of various sorts on the LR here
(small amounts proceeding through succession I assume) The problem
is that the thinner stranded Chaeto has been rotting - individual
strands (which I understand are single cells joined end to end) have
been losing their green pigments and becoming see-through with a general
descent into a mushy mess. I have read that Chaeto should "tumble" in
flow & despite the good flow through the sump this behaviour eludes me!
This said there seem to be plenty of people who don't tumble Chaeto with
good results. <I am one of them. To be honest, I have never tumbled
Chaetomorpha, and have used this macroalgae for years with great
results. It's important to have decent flow going through the dense
matrix of fronds, to prevent buildup of debris and detritus, but I have
never tumbled the stuff, and I don't personally know anyone who does.
I've heard this assertion a lot on the 'net, and I'm not certain how
this got started. Perhaps there was some confusion with Gracilaria,
which absolutely should be tumbled for maximum success.> Strangely
the thicker more wiry Chaeto appears to be fine (however there are no
signs of growth). I have removed all of the Chaeto which was rotting &
left only the healthy looking stuff (having first picked out all the
beneficial life forms I could - waste not want not!! ;o) so I now have
only a little handful of the thinner Chaeto In addition I have read
that others Chaeto "floats" at the waters surface - mine however prefers
to sit on the mud bed surface. <Largely a function of the
density of the stuff, I guess. Mine has always sort of floated just
below the surface. As long as it gets decent light and flow, and is not
clogged with debris, I don't think that it matters, really.> Now I
have a theory here which I wanted to run by you good folks. In the mud
sump in addition to the Chaeto there is a small amount (handful) of
Caulerpa (C. prolifera I think) which came from the same source/sump as
the more wiry Chaeto - this seems to be growing fairly well with new
green shoots visibly growing over time. Is it likely that this is
releasing toxins to the water which are causing the dieback of the
Chaeto? If you really think this is a likely cause I will rip the
Caulerpa out & toss but I would rather not do this without a fair chance
that this will resolve the issue as I don't want to find that I have no
viable Macro in the sump of any variety. <A very interesting theory,
although I don't know if it is caused by chemical issues. I'm thinking
that it may really be more of a case of simple competition for light and
nutrients. Caulerpa grows faster and more aggressively than many algae,
such as Chaetomorpha, and it simply may be outcompeting the more
delicate growth form of Chaetomorpha, or simply blocking out light and
flow. There are other, well-documented reasons to despise the stuff,
IMO, so I'd try to get out as much of the Chaetomorpha as possible.>
Any suggestions? <As above. Also, I'd probably just stick to one
form of the Chaetomorpha, since once it's growing, it can easily
dominate. besides, you'll be able to harvest large quantities of
Chaetomorpha for nutrient export, and to share/trade with other
hobbyists. The stuff is always in demand. Besides, Chaeto is a great
"substrate" for an amazing diversity of life (like amphipods, mysids,
and even tiny brittle stars).> Many thanks as always & apologies for
the rambling email but I have tried to give all pertinent
information (if there are any further details I can provide please
do ask) Cheers Chris <Thanks for the detailed information,
Chris! It certainly helps us do a better job for you! Good luck!
Regards, Scott F.>
Growing Caulerpa algae 7/7/06
hi, <Hi> I want to have a lush growth of Caulerpa green macro
algae in my tank... I have a fish only tank with live rock.. its 90
litres capacity. <... please use spelling, grammar checkers...>
Will adding snails or hermit crabs to control the slime and green hair
algae, affect the growth of my Caulerpa algae, as I doubt whether the
snails and crabs will consume the Caulerpa? <Impossible to state,
guess, given the information presented. Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/caulerpaalg.htm and the files linked
above. Bob Fenner> Please advise. Thank you, Anup
Greens-Caulerpa and Halimeda... competition twixt Algal Divisions
7/30/06 Hey Crew! My main tank is incredibly healthy-90g
with 60kg live rock; ammonia=0, nitrite=0, nitrate=0, calcium=360,
pH=8.1. This tank is home to 4 Nemos, 1 eibli, 1 flame hawk, and 1 blue
ring angel. <Will need more room... soon> It also contains 9
turbo snails for which there is barely enough algae to feed. Every piece
of live rock has patches of beautiful purple encrusting algae. No green
algae seems to grow in it. This leads to my question. My quarantine tank
has nice patches of Halimeda, grapelike Caulerpa, and caterpillar weed.
I would like to transfer this algae into my main tank. However I am
under the impression, from reading many FAQs, that green algae needs
nitrate to flourish. So, if I was to move the macro-algae into the main
tank, is it likely to survive or will it die? <Conditions there
favor/ing the encrusting Reds will likely preclude the Greens doing
well> In the beginning (about 1 year ago) the tank was left for
about 4 months to cycle and even in this time, no green algae grew.
<Likely your lighting, supplementing habits...> I have moved some
hair algae covered rock into the main tank previously and the hair algae
slowly disappeared. I started off doing weekly water changes but
have since begun doing fortnightly water changes in the hope I might get
some nitrate, but it just won't happen! Thank you! <Mmm...
like some folks lack of understanding re whether the world's terrorist
population is static versus dynamic, you do have nitrate being
produced... and readily absorbed... I would feed some of the Greens to
the fishes here expressly, and/or offer dried human-intended products of
same for the purpose. Bob Fenner> Italian fishes to eat spaghetti
algae - Chaetomorpha control 6/28/03 Is there ANYTHING that will
eat Chaetomorpha? <indeed... 'a plenty. Some larger gastropods,
likely some opisthobranchs (sea hares or Elysia Nudis?)> I bought
some about a month and a half ago, and it has quadrupled in size in that
time. Now that I'm thinning it out, I was wondering if it would make a
tasty snack for any fishes out there? <Rabbitfishes perhaps... funny,
but I never thought much about keeping it in the display... really a
wonderful macro for nutrient export and manual harvest in refugia as a
vegetable filter. Really a wonderful and durable (as you know <G>)
algae. So tough many fishes can't eat it> Eagerly awaiting my copy of
the new book! <excellent my friend. I'm in SD as we speak signing the
pre-orders for posting Monday. It looks like you'll have some reading to
do for the holiday weekend :) > Philip DuPont <thanks kindly!
Anthony> Valonia Dear Crew, I really appreciate your
site and find it very informative. I am always amazed at the boneheads
that jump all over somebody when they don't agree with the advice they
receive. That being said, I have a question about Valonia. A few
years ago I had a few Valonia in my 65 gallon tank, and emerald crab
took care of the problem and the tank showed no signs of Valonia. After
a tank crash that I think was caused by the death of an orange tree
sponge, the crab died. The Valonia has gradually increased to the point
where I need to take more aggressive measures to rid my tank of this
nuisance. I have read ALL the information on Wet Web Media and its seems
that the best answer is to get another emerald crab. <Yes> I have
two questions. First, other than the usual nitrate reductions advice
is there anything else I can do? <Do not overstock the tank, reduce
nutrients.> Second, I am concerned about my other livestock getting
munched by the crab if I get it. I have two peppermint shrimp, a scooter
blenny, a six line wrasse, a purple tang, and two percula clownfish. I
am very worried that the peppermint shrimp and the blenny are potential
victims. How threatened are they? <Not to worry. I have an emerald
crab sharing the same tank as two cleaner shrimp and four small fish.
Haven't had a problem yet.> Any other ideas that might be helpful?
<Get another emerald> Thanks for any advice you can provide.
<James (Salty Dog)> Containing "Chaeto" (Keeping
Chaetomorpha Where You Want It!) Hi Crew, <Hi there! Scott
F. here today!> Thanks for the previous response to my worries of a
die off in my tank, the nitrogen cycle has settled down nicely now and
I'm just waiting for the last little bit of nitrite to disappear and the
nitrates are progressively dropping (down to about 10ppm now) and the
axinellae polyps are looking very healthy. <Glad to hear that your
tank is headed in the right direction!> I have become addicted to
trawling through your site and I've learned so much from it, thank you.
<We're thrilled to be of service!> I have another question though; I
have bought some Chaetomorpha on e-bay which arrived in great condition
compared to the Caulerpa which arrived half dead (I have since binned
the Caulerpa having read so many bad things about it) <I can't blame
you for doing that!> The Chaetomorpha arrived as a kind of ball of
spaghetti and I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to unravel it all or
just drop it in the tank as is. (i.e. does it need 'planting' or can it
just be 'dropped' in the tank and left to it's own devices).
(Bearing in mind that the water flow in the tank just carries it around
and I'm concerned for it getting tangled on my polyps) Any advice
would be much appreciated, Thanking you kindly, Leif Hinks,
Birmingham - UK <Well, Leif, with Chaetomorpha, it's really easy-
you literally drop it in the tank. No need to unravel the stuff...In
fact, you'd drive yourself mad trying to do that! Generally, I recommend
employing this macroalgae in the sump or refugium, for the very reason
that you cite: It tends to move around! However, I have seen it in
displays a number of times. Since this algae tends to grow in a dense
"ball", you can literally "impale" it with a toothpick or small dowel,
which can hold it in place. Alternatively, you can utilize fishing line
to gently tie it to a rock. Either way, this algae grows rapidly under
conditions that it finds to it's liking, and you'll really appreciate
it's capabilities as a nutrient export device! Enjoy it- and share it
with some friends when you harvest it! Regards, Scott F.>
Harvesting
Chaetomorpha 03/07/06 Hello Crew, Once again I would
like to thank you for the fantastic site. Your hard work is greatly
appreciated and I advertise you to all at the LFS and friends in the
hobby. Most think with good reason I am a WetWebMedia junkie. <I
look forward to your joining us in responding> It has been
suggested that several of us at work join A.A. ( Aquarist
Anonymous). I am always referring them to do queries on your site
when they ask a question of me. You previously helped me out with
plumbing my upstream 30 gallon acrylic sump/refugium. The refugium
has been up and running for about one month and all is going well. I
had a very mild case of BGA after the first week it was running but
increased the flow and vacuuming out the BGA reduced it to nothing
quickly (thanks to reading your suggestions to others.) <Very
good> Many copepods, amphipods, and worms thriving and are
gravity fed to the main 55 gallon display tank. My original double
softball size Chaetomorpha macroalgae has grown into what is now
basketball size or better. <Keep trimming, feeding, trading...>
The ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels are now undetectable with my
Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Saltwater Master liquid test kit. Ph is
holding steady as a rock at 8.4 with the reverse lighting cycle.
<Simple, eh?> I continue to do 5 gallon water changes twice a
week and Aqua C Remora attached to the refugium is still producing
skimmate but I might add not as much since the refugium stabilized.
Now for my question about harvesting the Chaeto. I looked thru the
many pages of refugium and macroalgae area questions and answers but
did not see a definitive description of pulling out the Chaeto
properly. I know I need to do this on a regular basis. I am unsure
what is and when is the proper time and procedure for doing this? Do
I just grab a handful and pull it out? <Yep> I have attached
a couple of pictures of the refugium and Chaeto. The dimensions on
the refugium area of where the Chaeto is are 15" x 12" x 17" (height
x width x length). Do I need to start harvesting now or wait until
it has covered the entire refugium area? <I wouldn't wait...
keep pulling...> Thanks you so much for your educating this want
to be aquarist. Ernie from Kansas <Weekly is a good
interval, while you're "fooling with" other maintenance. Cheers, Bob
Fenner> |  |
Valonia by another name - 2/10/03 My 55 gallon tank has a new
algae problem bubble algae this is the newest problem in a long list of
algae problems. It seams when I get 1 problem fixed the next algae pops
up. <Seems that way sometimes.> I do not know quite what to do.
<Definitely a few things to check. First, be sure to use a good source
water (R/O or DI water) for your water changes and top off. Also, be
sure you are making changes within a proper timeframe. Weekly vs. one
big monthly. I would be sure to check for silicates and high phosphate
and nitrate in my make up water also.> My LFS employees all know me and
my tanks problems by name. <LOL> What is the best way to control bubble
algae? <Frequent water changes if possible. Do not crush the "cell" of
the Valonia as it is known to release millions more spores into the
tank. Check out the following link that could be of some assistance to
you.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/algaeconMar.htm Also do a search on
WetWebMedia site with the key word being "Valonia" and see what comes up
there. Remember to address the "cause" of the algae, not to just
eliminate the "effect". Good luck.> Re: Some pest algae pix...
from COZ! Bob, The Neomeris annulata algae, the stuff with the
individual, bright green rods extending from a white crunchy
(calcareous?) base - is that stuff particularly
destructive/rambunctious, etc? I just have a few stems of it in my main
aquarium - now wondering if I should eradicate? <Oh... sorry re...
not really a pest at all... that is, Neomeris doesn't grow wildly,
displace other life, produce toxins... that sort of negative thing... it
got caught up in the Valoniaceans in the batch. Sorry re. Bob F> -Zo
Hair algae I am TOTALLY new to salt water tanks. I am still
studying up and trying to learn all the terminology and noticed mention
of hair algae which I have just noticed is in my tank. What causes it
and how do I get rid of it? And is it dangerous to my tank life. I have
crushed coral flooring and no live rock but I have 11 fish. I just
purchased yesterday to scooter blennies and 2 crabs. Will they eat this
growth on the flooring? >> Hmm, welcome to the marine part of the
hobby! And do keep studying, investigating what it can/could be for
you... Filamentous algae are almost inevitable in marine systems...
and some amount is desirable. They "just" start as spores from the air
(even far away from the ocean), with other livestock introduction,
decorations... even foods. Their control involves a many-stepped
approach at limiting nutrients (proper foods, feeding, filtration,
maintenance), competition (using macro-algae, other photosynthetic life
to deprive noisome algae of light, food), predators (unfortunately not
the animals you mention), and chemical controls (biological ones are the
only to seriously consider... made by algae/mud filters)... Please take
a look at the Algae Control materials stored at my website:
www.wetwebmedia.com under the Marine Index for much more, details.
Bob Fenner Bryopsis Hi Bob, Well, my tank has finally
recovered from its crash. Still no idea what happened! I have a question
about Bryopsis. I have it growing in my sump/refugium, and it has also
appeared on two rocks in the main tank. I understand it can spore and
spread, and that it is very difficult to eradicate. I could turn off
the lights in the sump, though I have a few leathers and polyps in
there. But how to get it out of the main tank? Do you have any
suggestions? I have heard talk about Bryopsis eating Nudibranchs, but
am not sure how effective they are. Regards Jason Edward >>
Hmm, are the filaments divided, like branches? I think this may be
Derbesia... but nonetheless, the "cures" are about the same. Do look
into out competing it by placing some Caulerpa in the main tank and
lighted sump... It will soon be starved. Bob Fenner
Maintenance issues Thanks for your quick and informative
response, I value and follow your advice because I've found that it
works. One follow up question, if I may, how do you eradicate Halimeda
from a reef tank when its growing from the live rock. A friend of mine
has battled with it for months with little success. I'm battling hair
algae on one of my tanks and seem to be losing that war as well despite
using only RO water, feeding fish only three times a week, physically
removing the hair algae from the rock, using Aquamarine's (reef safe)
algae control product and doing 10% weekly water changes. >> Hmm,
well, count yourself lucky if your Halimeda is doing that well... for
me, I'd just occasionally clip off the bigger bits during routine
cleaning. Regarding the hair algae, if the system is 55 or more gallons
do consider getting a Lawnmower Blenny... a fabulous green filamentous
scraper... only one, because this is about all they eat. And/or if it
will go, look into a Mithrax (Emerald Green) Crab... also a great
cleaner upper of filamentous (and other) algae. Do leave off with the
use of chemical algicide... dangerous/toxic and unnecessary for your
system. Bob Fenner Hair algae (Derbesia) hi bob,
thank you for answering my question concerning my hair algae problem.
you mention in your response to get an algae blenny and some Mithrax
crabs. Over the four months, I went through three algae blennies of the
species you suggested. they died from starvation. they didn't touch the
hair algae or any other food that was offered to them. as far as the
Mithrax crabs are concerned, over the past year I put 15 of them in my
tank. they did eat the hair algae. they were the only thing that really
took a liking to it. I also noticed that they liked my stony corals as
well. as I said, they did eat the algae, but didn't put a dent in it.
over a months time they all died. you mentioned a fish that might eat
this stuff. could you please give me the name of it so I can give it a
try. this might be my only hope. as I mentioned before, I have a red sea
Sailfin and a Sohal tang that only pick at the algae. not enough to make
a difference. I stopped feeding them for a couple of weeks, figuring
they would much out on the Derbesia but still didn't touch it. they got
real skinny. thank you again for your suggestions. I look forward to
hearing from you. >> Hmm.... are you sure this is Derbesia? Not
some type of blue-green (they come as filamentous forms too...). Three
Sailfin Blennies and fifteen Mithrax?! If the two current Tangs aren't
touching the algae much... I would not be too keen on trying some other
members of the family... which would be my next best tries. Instead,
in case this is a BGA or even the green, Derbesia, I suggest trying two
things at once: Overwhelming the filamentous with the use of Caulerpa
(in the main tank, even if your tangs decimate it) and/or in a
separate/attached sump (continuously lighted), AND raising and
maintaining a high pH (8.4-8.5 or so) with daily administration of
Kalkwasser... to precipitate out phosphates (among other things). Please
do try this double-pronged attack... and make it known to me/us how this
works out. Bob Fenner Can't figure out the seaweed I
have a 90 gal tank with live rock that forms a long type of algae
seaweed that will not stop growing. I have tried to scrub it all off,
yet it continues to grow back weeks after and it just gets longer and
longer . it is like a thicker green hair algae and I don't know how to
stop it. I was thinking about just starting over with new live rock
because maybe this one has just had it. What suggestions do you have,
Please Bob I am in need of desperate help???? >> Well, I'll be
desperate than... First, don't go the "throw out the old, get new"
route... it won't work. Any small amount of spores from the existing
filamentous algae will quickly (under the rest of conditions of your
system) regrow the algae on the new rock... Instead, consider what the
source of the nuisance algae growth is... and limit, or eliminate it. Do
you have high nutrient levels? How much nitrate, phosphate? Do you have
a decent skimmer? Clean it often? Do you have competitive life forms
that will use up the nutrient, available light? Next, do consider
getting some purposeful filamentous algae eaters. If they'll go in your
system without being eaten, get an Emerald Green Crab (genus Mithrax),
and/or a Lawnmower Blenny... or/also a Combtooth Tang of the genus
Ctenochaetus, or Sailfin (Zebrasoma) surgeonfish... Bob Fenner, your
solution man! Hair Algae Hi Bob, My tank's been
running for four months now. I have hair algae growing in the gravel. It
does not grow on the live rock. I have about 24 hermits and a blenny for
grazers that seem to keep it off the rocks and maintain the "lawn" on
the gravel. I'm always reading comments/questions on how people must rid
their tanks of this horrible algae. I like the look of it. It "blows in
the wind" and has a soothing effect when you watch it. My questions is,
as long as it doesn't overtake my corals, is it wrong to leave it in the
tank? Thanks again and hope all is well, Tony <No problem with
having some of these algae... a sign of a healthy setup... just, as you
say, that it doesn't get out of hand, cover too much, cause chemical,
physical imbalances... you'll be able to see this develop if it happens.
Bob Fenner> Bryopsis algae Hi Mr. Fenner, I really
enjoy reading your book "The Conscientious Marine Aquarist" it really
gives me a wide ranging knowledge about marine aquaria. Currently I have
a 150G reef tank. Everything is going fine except I have a major algae
outbreak called "Bryopsis", do you have any idea how to get rid of it. I
have try many thing such as using surgeon fish (I have a blue/regal tang
and also a purple tang) they don't seem to touch the Bryopsis at all. I
have also tried using phosphate remover, still no luck yet. Please help.
Victor <Thanks for writing, and your kind words of encouragement.
Much appreciated. You might get lucky (don't always work), with using
either a Mithrax/Emerald Green Crab (just one specimen is all you need
to try), and a member of the comb-tooth tang genus Ctenochaetus... I'd
place both the fish and the crab... and you can read over the Tang
species choices on our site: www.wetwebmedia.com Be chatting, Bob
Fenner> Hair Algae Hi Bob. I have another question for
you. I have an incredible explosion of what I call "hair algae" in my
tank. It covers all of my rock and is a real problem. The stuff breaks
off and plugs up the intake for my filters, covers everything so that's
all you can see on the rock...you get the picture. I've added hermit and
left-handed crabs, about 40 total (I have a 125 gal tank). I probably
need to add more of those little critters but my question is this: What
kind of fish, if any exist, would you recommend to add to help curb this
problem? <There are a few... look into short-circuiting the source
of nutrients (and light) as control mechanisms as well... read on
through the materials stored Home Page on set-up, algae control... and
Salarias, Ctenochaetus, Zebrasoma...> I was thinking tangs and
angels...yes?? <Maybe a Centropyge would help... but growing
macroalgae in the tank or a sump with lighting would be better, more
efficacious> If so, how many of each species should I look to add?
<One each... and different appearing...> I understand how the
biological load on the tank works, I'll keep in mind the existing fish
that I have. I don't have many right now, I'm changing to a more reef
environment so my number is pretty low for my big tank. <Good... take
your time... important> BTW....about a month ago I added three
anemones, a Sebae, a bubble and a long tentacle. The bubble and long
tentacle are doing great, the Sebae died within a week. Would you be
inclined to think that there was a problem with that particular Sebae,
in light of the other two doing fine, or are Sebae more difficult to
keep alive? <All anemones are tougher than folks realize... Sebae's
are even easier to lose> I know there's a lot of unknown variables
here, but any info would be appreciated. Thanks much, Betsy >>
<Indeed... Bob Fenner> Bryopsis Hi Bob, Recently,
I've noticed a small (so far) outbreak of what I think may be Bryopsis.
It is fine feathery looking stuff growing in clumps. Snails, hermits and
Bicolor Blenny have shown no interest in it. Is there anything out there
that eats the stuff but won't pose a threat to my corals? <Does sound
like the genus... and there are a few possibilities... I would try a
genus Ctenochaetus tang... maybe a Mithrax Crab... possibly a genus
Salarias, Atrosalarias blenny... And consider,,, oh, I see you mention
this below....> I've heard some types of calcareous macro algae will
help inhibit it's growth. I have Halimeda discoidea and another similar
variety, Caulerpa serrulata, Caulerpa racemosa and a type of red macro
algae. <Yes, and am surprised that the other macro-algae you mention
haven't been doing the same...> I have noticed, for the most part,
the Bryopsis does not grow near these macro algae, but grows to within
about 5-6" inches away. Will the good macros eventually out compete the
Bryopsis? <There is that hope, but I would also consider urging the
encrusting reds by possibly increasing alkalinity... maybe culturing in
a separate sump...> I keep the Caulerpas trimmed back to just a small
area in a corner but let the Halimedas grow at will (the Bicolor Blenny
keeps it trimmed). Should I let the Caulerpa patch get a little larger?
<I would, yes> Here are the tank specs. 80 gal, 80 lbs + or - live
rock, Skilter 400 skimmer (yeah, I know...just put in an order for a
Aqua C Remora Pro HOB today), 4 X 96 watt PC lights, 2 powerheads for
circulation, salinity 35 ppt, top off and change water is made with RO,
PH 8.3, Alk 3.5, Cal 420, Ammonia and Nitrites 0, Nitrates <5, haven't
tested for Phosphates. Livestock = Assorted soft corals, mushrooms, star
polyps, button polyps, Lemnalia, colt coral, Xenia (pulsing),
Sarcophyton, Sinularia and Lobophytum. Assorted hard corals, Hydnophora,
Caulastrea, Tubipora, Turbinaria, Goniopora, Fungia, open brain and
Euphyllia divisa. Fish, Pair Banggai Cardinal, Pair Amphiprion
ocellaris, Bicolor Blenny and Common Firefish. Blue legged hermits,
Astrea, Turbo and Nassarius Snails, 2 hitchhiker clams and 2 or 3
hitchhiker crabs, Cleaner shrimp and a couple Peppermint shrimp. Hope
you don't mind the long list, but I figure the more info on tank the
better. Thanks, Kathy <Sounds like a very nice system... I would
take my time here... shoot for the gradual change... and let's see if
the free-ranging Caulerpa doesn't curtail the Bryopsis... slowly. Bob
Fenner> Green Balls? Valonia... Bob, I have written you
in the past with some different questions and would like to say thank
you again for your past advice. I have some new things that I would
appreciate your advice on. A real quick low-down on my system is 125
gallon aquarium with a Sea Clone protein skimmer (I know that I could do
better here), two Emperor filters, VHO lighting, 1 inch of live sand and
roughly 70 pounds of live rock. I currently have two green dragon
wrasses, a six line wrasse, a Foxface, and two orange diamond gobies. I
have two toadstool leather corals, some green button polyps, and a
couple of mushroom anemones. My aquarium was having some problems in the
beginning and I suffered a few losses before realizing that the well
water that I was using was using me to have high phosphates. I proceeded
to purchase a RO Filter and have made quite a few big water changes,
even more small water changes, and am continually topping off the water
with the new water that I am making. My phosphate levels have dropped
slightly but for some reason I cannot get rid of them completely.
<Good progress so far... the phosphates are "cycling" in your system...
and re-cycling...> They are currently measuring at 2.0 ppm.
<Yikes... I'd grow and toss some Caulerpa algae here... sort of like the
use of biomass accumulators (e.g. Hyacinths and wastewater) to gather
and remove nutrients from solutions> I don't over feed so I don't
think that this is the problem. Before purchasing the RO Filter my
leather corals would hardly open up. Since purchasing the RO Filter, my
leather corals are almost always open and seem to be growing. I am happy
for this but have had some bad luck with trying to add any new
inhabitants. In the past few months I have tried adding a Naso tang,
yellow tang, Kole tang, and lastly an Emperor angel all at different
times and have watched each one get sick and die in a week or so.
<As an indicator, wait on any new livestock till the phosphates are
below 1.0ppm, better 0.5ppm...> I think what that died from was ich
or velvet. I have done all the environmental manipulation that you
suggested but wasn't able to save any one of them. The loss of my
emperor angel really bothered me because it was my favorite fish. It
used to eat right out of my hand but for some reason I could not keep it
from getting sick. I was able to treat in a hospital tank a couple of
times but each time I put it back in the main tank it would eventually
get sick again and eventually died. My original fish are still alive and
don't show any signs of anything. For this reason I don't think that I
have a parasite problem so much as that the water quality wasn't good
enough to keep these more delicate species alive. <Hmm, no... more
likely you have a "toxic tank problem"... that you are salvaging bit by
bit...> One thing that I do have in my tank seems to be some
uncontrollable green algae. For some reason I can't keep this under
control and I think these little green balls that came with my live rock
may be causing it. Originally there were only a few little green balls
on some pieces of live rock but have recently noticed that they have
spread to many other rocks. <Yes... likely Valonia... see the
"Algae", "Green Algae", "Pest Algae Control" sections and associated
FAQs pages archived on our site: www.WetWebMedia.com> They have
almost encrusted this one rock. Finally, here are my questions. What are
these little green balls and are they the cause of my green algae
problem? Does the presence of the green algae contribute to the high
phosphates and do you think this may be the reason why I haven't been
able to keep some of the more delicate fish? Again, I want to thank you
for any insight you may offer. Gianluca <Green algae group,
Valoniaceae... not a direct contributor, but a recipient, user of
nutrients... not toxic per se... read the many related sections on the
WWM site. Bob Fenner> Major Reef Tank Problem (green hair
algae) Dear Bob: I haven't communicated with you for a while.
I hope everything is well with you. <Yes. Thank you> Bob, I am
trying not to become overly depressed about my 92 gallon reef set-up.
I've got an out of control hair/turf algae problem that I cannot
pinpoint the cause. Here are some facts: <Not to worry... many
causes, cures... we can solve this one> -My tank is 15 months old
-90 lbs of live rock -20 gallon sump refugium with housing some
Caulerpa algae lighted by a 65 watt LOA Flourex light about 16 hours/day
-Euroreef skimmer - MAG 7 return pump -3 internal powerheads
-about 2 inches of aragonite sand. Particle size in between crushed
coral and oolite sand -low bioload, i.e., 3 fish, cleanup crew,
cleaner shrimp, 4 soft corals, 2 LPS corals, mushrooms, button polyps
-top off reservoir filled with Tap Water Purifier water -0 nitrates
reading -0 phosphate reading -2.5 mg/l alkalinity <Mmm, this is
a bit low...> -450 ppm calcium -IceCap 660 VHO lamp system - 1 95
watt actinic blue URI lamp, 1 95 watt white 50/50 URI lamp, 1 95 watt
Aquasun URI lamp and 1 75 watt actinic blue URI lamp Turf/hair algae
is completely overrunning my tank. It is growing in between my candy
cane coral, on every rock, some of it is up to 1 inch in length, some
even on sand, consuming almost all of my button polyps, etc. For about 4
weeks now I have been scrubbing rocks and trying pull out this algae,
scooping it out with a net. In addition I have been doing 20% water
changes every two weeks. Last week, I even took out half of my rock and
scrubbed it in a separate container, but it is now growing again on it.
I have had carbon in the sump now for about a week, and also Marc Weiss'
new Phosphate/Silicate Magnet product in there for 3 days now. <Get
rid of this product> I believe my problem may have begun when I
decided I needed to start replacing my lamps since it had been 1 year
since I purchased them. I first changed the Aquasun, and noticed within
about a week that algae was starting to grow on the rocks below this
lamp. I changed the remaining lamps, each being changed about every 2
weeks. <Mmm, maybe a source of stimulation... you know now that you
want to cycle the lamps in/out on an "effective life span cycle">
Bob, I am so frustrated. I have had no losses of life due to bad water
conditions until now - my normally perfectly healthy 8 month old
Yellowhead Jawfish I believe got so stressed out from my rock scrubbing
and turkey baster blowing that he stopped eating and died, and a new
Foxface I got to help with algae control never adjusted and died in a
week. Your input would be greatly appreciated, as I am baffled.
<You have nice gear, seem quite aware of what is going on (you know what
you know) re your system. I would take some simple, plain steps at this
point to return your system to "center". As easy as it may seem, raising
your alkalinity is paramount to your success here. You don't mention how
you raise your calcium, but I would look into two part additives,
supplements that contain calcium chloride, and use a modicum of simple
baking soda (sodium bicarbonate), a few teaspoons dissolved in system
water per day, poured in about the surface... and measure in the AM to
see if you're able to boost alkalinity in this way. In addition I would
add some of my favorite algae eaters: One or two specimens of Salarias
fasciatus or Atrosalarias sp. blennies. Do get/use a phosphate test
kit... this source of rate-limiting nutrient may be playing a pivotal
role here... And please read through the many FAQs, articles on "marine
algae", "control" posted on the WWM site starting here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/algaeconMar.htm We can/could talk over the
implementation of a calcium reactor (a carbon dioxide infusion type),
getting a reverse osmosis unit for your new water use (in place of the
TWP)... but that can/will come later. Try to read over the links where
I've sent you, and prepare for the changes suggested. In a few weeks,
the pest hair algae problem will be in decline. Bob Fenner> Sorry for
the long dissertation, but I wanted to give you as much information as
possible. John Re: Major Reef Tank Problem Thank you
for your reply Bob. I did forget to mention that my open brain coral
is also not expanding like it normally does, and my pagoda cup coral has
not been extending any of it's polyps for about 1 week now. I have
been testing for phosphates (SERA test kit) and my readings are nil.
I'll take out the Marc Weiss product at your suggestion, but should I
keep the carbon in? <Yes> Also, I am using Kent Marine's 2 part
alk/calcium system, and dripping granular alkalinity or calcium (Kent)
into my sump if these levels have been low. I do agree my system is not
"centered" like you stated. Before all of this disrupt, it seems like
all I needed to do was add my 2 part solutions and everything was fine.
Another additional step I have taken lately has been adding magnesium
because my test results showed lower levels. Finally, I forgot to
mention that I am noticing a kind of film with small particles that has
constantly remained on the water surface. <From the additives... no
big deal... can be lifted off with a clean, unscented paper towel as a
"wick"> Again, thanks so much for your advice. I do hope you can help
get my tank out of this funk so I can really enjoy this great hobby
again. <I'll be here to help if I can. Bob Fenner> John
Re: Major Reef Tank Problem Thanks once again, Bob. Last
question (I think, at least for now!) - do you think I should
temporarily reduce the photoperiod? I did this for about 2 weeks (about
4 hrs/day), but I am afraid that my photosynthetic corals may not want
this shortened period any longer. <Agreed. I would not shorten, alter
your photoperiod. Bob Fenner> Aiptasia, Halimeda Hi Bob,
How are you? I was doing just fine myself until I found my first
Aiptasia Anemone. Them there was three....eight....you get the picture.
I've read your posted information through but still need a little help
with a predator for my new specimen. The animal I would like is the
Peppermint shrimp. You say, as do some of the queries I read that may
eat other corals or stinging creatures when the Aiptasia is gone, or
even along the way. John H. Tullock says numerous times in his book
"Reef Aquariums" that the Peppermint shrimp is a great choice for reef
aquariums due to their propensity to spawn. I don't expect to rear any
of them, but the plankton would be nice. This seems very appealing to
me, but not at the expense of my corals. Do they have any preference in
corals once the Aiptasia is gone? I have a Torch, Slipper, Candycane
(2), and Branched Hammer? <Often the Euphylliids are preferred... you
can generally see this developing before much damage occurs> From
your site I gather you would choose the Berghia Nudibranch. You also
suggest removing it once the Aiptasia is gone. How long will it survive
after feeding? <For a few weeks after apparently all Aiptasia are no
longer apparent... if left in will just "disappear"... die from
starvation> The reason I ask this is I wouldn't want to get rid of it
too soon only to have the pest return or be rediscovered. On an
unrelated topic, how do you feel about calcareous alga such as members
from the genus Halimeda. They seem to be readily available and from most
accounts are hardy. What would be the potential problems associated with
them? <Competition for biominerals, alkaline reserve mainly> I do
successfully keep a few specimens of Caulerpa with no problems in a
refugium. I prune them regularly and relocate it to display tank for
Tang food. Will my Tang consume the Halimeda? <Not much if it is
very calcified... but some likely. Bob Fenner> Bubble Algae,
Wanted or Not? Bob, I recently got back from my local pet shop.
He had a large cluster of what he called bubble algae in his tank. I
thought it was neat looking. I asked him if their would be a problem
with this stuff taking over my tank. He said no, that he thought it was
cool looking stuff also. <I do think some of them are neat, too. In
particular, the one referred to a "dead sailor's eyeball" is actually
attractive, IMO. It is larger than most other types, about marble size,
and has a gray green metallic appearance. But, like any other algae, it
can become a problem is given conditions where it will grow out of
control.> He gave me some to take home. The more I read on WWM I
don't know if this was a mistake? <If your system is well run, low
nutrients, the bubble algae will die off in time. Otherwise, it can
reproduce and become a problem for corals. No real harm to fishes.>
It looks allot like Grape Caulerpa, is their a good picture on WWM to
compare? <Do try the Google feature searching for bubble
algae/Valonia.> Should I get rid of this stuff ASAP? <It will get
rid of itself if your tank and your tank have proper husbandry.>
Thanks for your input, Jeff <You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
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