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Jaguar Cichlid... gen., sys.,
food
03/04/2008
Hello,
I have recently acquired a jaguar cichlid. I'm not sure how old he is, but he's
about 10 to 11 inches long. I think he is male.
<Lovely fish; difficult to sex.>
The lady I bought him from said he had killed his mate, and had been off his
food for a week or so. She thinks he killed her because up until that time, the
tank had been quite algae-filled, and the female was able to hide. The owner
decided to scrub the tank down, and that is when the female became more visible
and was killed.
<Doesn't really sound very likely, unless the algae were huge kelp-like things!>
The owner was an experienced fish hobbyist - in fact, I bought her entire
collection: 25 years worth, mostly of African cichlids, along with a community
tank and some South American cichlids. I have them in five tanks.
<Sounds nice.>
My jaguar cichlid is in a 35 gallon tank, with a little driftwood and a rock
cave which he sometimes hides in. Tank dimensions are 3 foot by 1 and 1/2 foot
by 1 foot. (This is the same size he was used to before I purchased him.)
<Ah, the plot thinnens. Simply too small. When I kept this species, it was in a
200 gallon system, and realistically you need to be keeping them in something
"jumbo" sized, i.e., 75 gallons upwards; these are BIG, TERRITORIAL fish.>
Once he gets better I am looking to move him to a larger tank, but don't want to
risk stressing him any further by moving him at present.
<Quite the reverse is likely to be true. Provided water chemistry is constant,
and he isn't placed in a tank with a larger, territorial cichlid -- moving him
is a great idea.>
I have had him for a couple of weeks now, and have offered him all kinds of
food: frozen fish food that she had been giving him before he went off his food,
freeze dried blood worms, flakes, pellets, ground beef, raw fish, live fish, but
so far he has eaten nothing.
<Well, for a start, stop with the live feeder fish. Live foods generally, and
feeder fish especially, appear to bring out aggressive tendencies in fish. Live
fish are also parasite time bombs, unless you're breeding your own. One of the
most idiotic things in the hobby is the use of Minnows and Goldfish as feeder
fish. They are far to high in fat and contain lots of the Vitamin B1-destroying
chemical Thiaminase. Bob Fenner (who runs WWM) has made the point in print and
elsewhere that Goldfish are then #1 cause of mortality in captive Lionfish! The
ONLY safe fish species that can be used as feeders are gut-loaded, home-bred
livebearers. Anyway, Parachromis managuensis will eat pretty much anything when
settled. Earthworms are a favourite. My specimen enjoyed squid and other types
of seafood. Oily fish was enjoyed, by this wrecks water quality, so use
sparingly and just before doing a massive water change. Once settled down they
eat pellets, and these are truly the ideal staple, being safe and nutritionally
balanced.>
I had a couple of smaller problem fish - a minnow that was killing its tank
mates and a barb that was chewing the fins off its tank mate. I put them in with
my jaguar cichlid, hoping he might be tempted to eat them. He does dart at them
occasionally, but until this morning he hasn't killed them. Today I found the
small barb dead, floating around the tank. The jaguar will look at it and just
swim away. He might have killed him, but it's more likely that the barb died of
stress.
<More than likely territorial aggression. In any case, this ISN'T how you solve
aggression problems in community tanks. Tiger barbs for example become nippy
when they're kept in too small a group. "Punishing" a specimen because it is
doing what its genes are telling it to do is just plain dumb. It's a fish, not a
naughty child. So, look at how many Tiger Barbs you have, and if there's less
than six, add some more. Do also remember that Tiger Barbs are NOT GOOD
COMMUNITY FISH. This is made plain again and again in the fishkeeping press, so
there's no excuse for not being aware of this. You simply don't keep them in [a]
small tanks and [b] with slow moving or long-finned tankmates. Fine with barbs
and tetras, not fine with Gouramis and angels.>
The PH is 7.7; nitrites close to zero, ammonia close to zero, the water is not
very hard (just above the 'soft' line when I tested it.) He has oxygen (bubbler
stone), low lighting, the temperature is around 73 degrees.
<Parachromis managuensis needs hard to very hard water with a basic pH and LOTS
of carbonate hardness. I'm guessing he's off colour and not eating because the
water is all wrong. This is non-negotiable. The pH should be 7.5-8.5, general
hardness around 15+ degrees dH, and carbonate hardness upwards of 7 degrees KH.
Adding salt and other Mickey-mouse quick fixes are not an option. Raise the KH
by incorporating lots of calcareous media in the filter. You can also add tufa
rock and other calcareous rocks to the aquarium, but by themselves these have a
marginal effect on KH. Crushed coral or crushed oyster shell in a nice big
canister filter is the way to go. Water changes need to be generous: these are
heavily polluting fish, and this means they produce the chemicals that acidify
the water. See here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwh2oquality.htm
>
He seems very shy - not at all the aggressive guy I was told I was getting. He
shies away from the walls of the tank if anyone comes near, if I stick my hand
in he'll swim away, and he backs away from any food that is dropped into the
tank.
<Wrong water chemistry, and absolutely normal behaviour under the
circumstances.>
I've put salt in the tank and have done a 20% water change, but so far nothing
has helped.
<For the seven billionth time for people who haven't learned this yet: aquarium
salt doesn't raise hardness or pH. It is of no damn use in a freshwater tank!
Carbonate hardness comes from carbonate and bicarbonate salts, and these are not
to be found in boxes of sodium chloride! Also, water changes should be around
the 50% mark, weekly.>
His water also stinks like dead fish, not strongly but it is there.
<Sounds like too much food, not removed quickly; perhaps under-filtered too and
certainly not enough water changes.>
I'm concerned he is starving himself to death.
<He is.>
He seems quite active, swimming around and occasionally darting to the surface.
<Darting behaviour in stressed cichlids is a very bad sign.>
Do you have any suggestions about what I could do to get him eating again?
<Many many things. Please read my advice carefully, and then sit back and read
the article about water chemistry. It is absolutely critical you understand
this, because right now this fish doomed with a capital D.>
Thanks very, very much for your help and advice!
Dana
<Happy to help. These are gorgeous fish, and my specimen was a real
show-stopper, but they are not "easy" fish, and Central American cichlids
generally need very specific water chemistry conditions to do well. Cheers,
Neale.>
Re: Jaguar Cichlid, sys. 03/04/2008
Thanks for your help! I'll get him in a bigger tank right away. I have a
couple of empty tanks sitting around: a 70 and a 100 gallon, so that
shouldn't be a problem. I'll get the water hardness fixed right away too.
The jag is such a gorgeous fish, I'd have hated to have him die on me, so I'll
be onto this today.
Thank you!
Dana
<Dana, all sounds promising. I hope things get fixed, and you enjoy many happy
years with this wonderful fish. Mine was a sweetie, and in the 200 gallon tank
not at all aggressive. Possibly was a female though. So difficult to sex.
Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Jaguar Cichlid, sys.,
food 3/6/08
Hi again, Neale,
Well, I've got my jaguar moved to a larger tank (70 gallon), with plenty of
crushed coral. The water has tested quite hard - we may need to dilute it just a
bit but it's much better.
<Wouldn't worry about diluting the water to make it less hard. Central American
cichlids like their water to be "liquid rock"! The other thing is that messing
about with RO water or whatever adds to the effort and expense of water changes.
Central Americans really want big water changes, and that being the case, YOU
want things as cheap and easy as possible!>
Nitrites, etc. are all low. Ammonia is zero, Ph is 7.8 . Water temperature is 75
degrees.
<Perfect.>
Today he is moving gravel all over the place, rearranging his aquascape to his
own liking, I
guess. He hadn't been doing this for quite a long time, so I think that's a
healthy sign.
<It is indeed! Well done. A happy cichlid is a digging cichlid, that's what I
always say.>
I've offered him all kinds of delicacies: frozen bloodworms, dried bloodworms,
(so far I haven't been able to find any live bloodworms), cichlid pellets (large
and small), brine shrimp flakes, tropical fish flakes, frozen cocktail shrimp...
He STILL won't eat a thing.
<Give it time. Hunger makes the best sauce. Do try earthworms though: they're
used as bait in fishing for a darned good reason -- NOTHING is as yummy to a
predatory fish as a nice juicy earthworm. So grab a hand shovel, go to the yard,
and have a root about.>
He just watches the bits of food float around the tank, then turns away and
ignores them or swims into his rock cave. He seems active and curious: watches
people as they walk past his tank, but quickly backs away if anyone actually
approaches him.
<The curiousness is excellent and precisely typical of happy Guapote cichlids.>
What can I do to interest him in eating again? Why would he be starving himself
when he seems otherwise healthy and active, though maybe a bit timid for a
jaguar?
<Jags are timid; it's a myth I think that predatory cichlids are aggressive
cichlids -- quite the reverse in fact. Predatory fish need to go about their
business unnoticed, or their prey would see them. Worse, if they got into a
fight, their delicate jaws would be damaged. So predatory fish tend to back off
rather than go looking for fights. This holds for Guapote (what yours is), for
Pike Cichlids and of course for Oscars. Compare with omnivorous or even
herbivorous cichlids like Tilapia and Mbuna or even Kribs -- for their size,
these fish can be incredibly punchy. In any case, make sure you have lots of
hiding places (remember the Golden Rule: the more a fish can hide, the less
often it will choose to do so). Floating plants such as Indian fern will also
make a big difference, though those big 36" plastic plants are probably going to
be easier to use in a large tank with a strong filter.>
I really appreciate all your help and suggestions. I'm very new to the whole
cichlid scene, though I've done community tanks for a few years.
<Ah, welcome to the Cichlid Club! Cichlids really are fish that become members
of the family; they're smart and they become tame. When I looked after my Jag it
was in a display tank in a lobby area, and we'd arranged some chairs nearby.
People would go get coffee from a machine in another room and then come sit by
the tank so they could spend a couple minutes "chatting" with the Jaguar and the
Midas Cichlid that also lived in there. The two cichlids would go to the ends of
the tank and hang out quite contentedly, apparently enjoying the attention (or
perhaps trying to get out and kill the big gangly apes threatening their
territories!). Anyway, do try the earthworm trick, and also remember these fish
hunt at dusk and dawn, so feed first thing in the morning or last thing at
night.>
Dana
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Jaguar Cichlid
Earthworms? Umm... This is Canada: the frozen North! To reach an earthworm,
I would have to hire a bulldozer. I'll look up fishing stores and see if they
have any.
Thanks again!!
Dana
<Hello Dana. Surely you're can't be much further north than I am here in the UK?
But I guess those darned polar winds make a difference. In any case, yes,
earthworms should be available from a bait shop. And you can actually grow your
own! Earthworm "farming" is a hobby of sorts here in England. There's an
excellent little book called "The Earth Moved: On the Remarkable Achievements of
Earthworms" by Amy Stewart all about what earthworms do, why they matter, and at
the end of the book, how to care for them. Fascinating stuff! Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Jaguar Cichlid 3/7/08
Hi Neale,
I don't know whether or not we're further North than you are, but the ground is
frozen solid and we're expecting another 60 cm. of snow over the next 36 hours.
<Yikes!>
Happily, there are bait and tackle stores that sell worms for people who brave
the elements and go ice fishing, so I'll be headed out there after work this
afternoon.
<Very good.>
The jag is still digging and digging and attacking his bubbler. He sure doesn't
look sick, though he is much thinner than when we got him. I have no idea how he
stays alive after a month without food.
<He's a fish, and in the "dry season" likely has to make do with very little
food.>
I'll let you know whether the earthworms do the trick.
<Yes, please do.>
Thanks again,
Dana
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Jaguar Cichlid – 03/10/08
Hi again Neale,
Here's the jaguar's dietary report: he pays no attention to food whatsoever,
including earthworms. I tossed one of his rejects into a different tank for my
smaller cichlids and almost started a war. The worm was gone in seconds. I have
a fresh one hanging from a suction cup at the side of the jaguar's tank, but he
ignores it completely. I thought if I hung it from the wall of his tank, he
might notice it more, rather than having it hide in the gravel like the last
ones did. He is still moving a lot of rock, swimming around and investigating
everything, and ducking into his cave regularly, but he's just not going to eat.
If you think of anything else that might help, I'm very open to suggestions.
Thanks,
Dana
<Hello Dana. I can't think of any "quick fix" here except to try as many
different things as you can. If the fish is otherwise behaving normally, there
may be something sapping his appetite. Bloating, constipation and
Hole-in-the-Head all start with a loss of appetite, so consider those options,
since all are quite common in cichlids. I'd perhaps treat for
Hexamita/Hole-in-the-Head proactively, just in case. This disease is much easier
to treat before the symptoms become established and obvious. I'd then run
something laxative through the system, such as Epsom salts (see elsewhere on WWM
for the details). If these don't help, then something systemically
anti-bacterial like Maracyn would be a good idea. All this said, he may simply
[a] not be settled and [b] not wild about the foods being offered. Time and
variety will fix this. A risky option might be to introduce some other fish of
comparable size but sufficiently durable they won't be harmed. Often fish that
are reticent about feeding become bolder when they see other fish "take the
bait". This is standard practise in marine communities for example, where
damselfish fulfill this role admirably. Cheers, Neale.>
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Neotrop. Cichlid tanks... reading –
09/29/07
Hello, I am considering setting up a tank around 100 gallons containing a
combination of Oscars and jack Dempsey cichlids along with a Pleco. Or a tank
containing 5 to 7 parrots (not blood), along with some Plecos. I would like to
seek some advise on doing so to find out what would be okay to do so. Could you
please send me something in return about advise regarding this matter. Thank
you.
<Sure... read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwlvstkind2.htm
the third tray down. Bob Fenner>
55 Gallon Advice, continuous salt use, neotropical cichlid stocking, 3 ppm
NO2 8/4/06
Bob,
The website is great and I've learned a ton from it! I have a few questions
for you if you have a moment. I have a 55 gallon aquarium that is about 2 months
old. It is a freshwater tank (but has 1 tablespoon of aquarium salt per 5
gallons added to improve quality of water-at the advice of LFS)-
<Permanently? Not likely a good idea>
I have 4 fish. One 2" tiger Oscar, one 2" Jack Dempsey, one 3.5" Blood Parrot
and a Pl*co of about the same size. After reading from your site, I am worried
that I will have an overstocked tank within a few months and don't want to lose
any fish because of it. Do you think it is safe/smart for these fish to grow up
together in this tank (LFS said I would end up with just one Oscar within 6
months)?
<Would be better if the tank was larger... but...>
should I try to find a better home for the Oscar?
<I would, yes>
What would be a good match to add to this setup if the Oscar is traded out?
<Another neotropical cichlid of some species...>
Filtration is a 30-60 AquaTech along with a Whisper 60. Can't afford a
canister filter yet, but am hoping these two will suffice. They eat Omega One
cichlid pellets and flakes once a day (with a home grown guppy or three thrown
in once a week).
<Do keep up with regular/weekly gravel vacuuming and water changes>
All of the fish are very active and seem healthy right now even though I am
having a nitrite problem.
<?!>
They are at 3.0 on the test strip (dangerous level),
<Extremely. I would cease feeding till this is under 1.0... Look for
Bio-Spira...>
so I have been doing regular water changes and only feed a few flakes per
day. Any advice to make my tank safe for these guys other than what I'm already
doing? (also added the new Whisper filter to help balance things because the
Aqua-Tech 30-60 didn't seem to be handling it by itself).
Thank you in advance,
Ross Wakefield
<Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwestcycling.htm
here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/neotropcichlids.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Cichlids With new Owner And New Problems
I just had another rescue project dumped on my hands: an old 55 gallon with
over 16 cichlids in it. Two 6 inch green Severums, three 3 inch green Severums,
about eight flag cichlids, some unIDed cichlids that remind me of earth eaters
but aren't, and 3 un IDed Geophagus. But two of the smaller Sevs are sick. One
is injured, both noggin and mouth (mouth doesn't seem to close right and is
white) and the other has pop eye and mouth fungus. Currently in a hospital tank
being treated with Furanace (following instructions on bottle), but your site
says to use Epsom salt for the pop eye (I was looking at the parasite page). Is
this the same stuff as under my parents counter in the bathroom? Magnesium
sulphate plus seven waters? is this alright to use? I just want to make sure
before I go putting these wonderful and gentle fish in danger.
<Your South American Cichlid Tank probably was in desperate need of attention
before you got it. A 55 gallon is too small for all of these fish. I suspect
that the water quality was pretty poor and this definitely contributed to the
problems you are now facing. Make sure you have a good filter that pumps at
least 200 gph. Check the nitrates. Anything above 20 ppm will mean trouble soon.
Nitrofuranace is good for external bacterial infections. Epsom salts help change
the osmotic balance in the water and deter bacterial growth. I would also use
Metronidazole for anaerobic bacteria that are causing the Popeye.-Chuck> |
New Tank New Owner New Problem II
Thanks chuck I will get something with Metronidazole in it either tonight or
tomorrow, as soon as I can. Yes the tank was in horrid need of help when I got
it, that's why I said it was a rescue project. He had a penguin 170 on her with
even more fish than its got now (I just couldn't take all of them) It now has a
magnum 350 (currently with micron cartridge) that has no BioWheels. But I also
put a fully cultured penguin 330 that was running on my 80 just to keep the
bacteria culture going. The nitrates dropped from some 25 ppm down to 12 over
night. The fish are swimming around and look absolutely great (except for a
cloudy eye here and there and plenty of fin rot. The tank was also completely
coated in algae and after I moved it I spent hours cleaning it. I'm currently
treating the main tank with rid ich for the cloudy eyes on one of the 6 inch
green Severums. I have access to four or five 55 gallon tanks with biology
teachers I trust at my high school and I can thin out the heard quite a bit
after break ends and I get them in health. There was actually black mold on the
light fixtures. Thanks for getting back to me, its always greatly appreciated.
Mind if I include some pics?
< Go ahead.>
The tank in my house after being cleaned. The light bulbs are horribly dim, I'm
getting new ones today. Its funny, he never had a good place for the flags to
hide (there are 7 of them I believe, hard to count) so when I put that flower
pot in there from one of my other tanks, they all crammed in there.
The largest of the Severums. You can see the fin rot and cloudy eyes, not as bad
as the pic makes the eyes look though. This was from yesterday, looks much much
better today, and he's getting more friendly like the other Sevs are.
The two sick Sevs in quarantine. I know I know, there's algae on the glass, but
this is a really old tank and the scratches make it nearly impossible to get it
off. The water quality is perfect, I promise. The water is yellow colored from
the meds. The one in the front is the one with the bad lips. Can you see it? any
suggestions? I don't think they are infected, perhaps injured? malformed?
< Sorry, didn't get the photos. Sometimes injuries get infected and fungus. When
this happens the tissue usually doesn't grow back.-Chuck> |
New Tank New Owner New Problem III & Sending Photos TO The Crew
Thanks for getting back so soon. I had copy pasted the photos into the
email, and I guess this didn't work. Is there a proper way to send them to you?
< Try sending them as an attachment. Check the WWM homepage for tips on sending
photos.>
If I sent them even one as an attachment the file would be over 900 kb. Is this
ok?
< Not shrink it down. Check the website for size.>
I figure I might as well learn how to send you pics so I can do it better next
time. You guys always provide me with the best help.
< We have nothing to sell but the truth.> <<Whoa! Scarce can I name salvation
but fearful thunder echoes in mine ears... I don't use words/concepts I don't
understand... RMF>>
If this is the case with the Sev's mouth, should there be any measures taken?
< Watch it closely to see if it starts to grow back. Redness means an infection.
White stingy matter means its growing back.>
It seems to have a little bit of a hard time eating, though it is eating plenty,
picking at the decoration too.
< This is a good sign.-Chuck>
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