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FAQs on Paravortex, Black Spot, Black "Ich", Turbellarian Worm
Disease, Etiology/Prevention
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Parasitic Disease 2, Parasitic Disease
3, Parasitic Marine Tanks,
Parasitic Reef Tanks,
Cryptocaryoniasis, Marine Ich,
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Tang Health/Disease, |
Causative mechanism (Paravortex itself) is somehow introduced into a
system... Fish hosts challenged... |
Black spot disease outbreak? Good Evening WetWebMedia crew
members. <Yawnnnnn! Good morrow to you> I have recently traded a
blue line trigger for a yellow tang (+ a Kole) since the trigger grew to
8 inches long and started becoming highly aggressive. My system is 157
gallons with mostly soft corals. Problem is that when I was at the LFS,
under their normal fluorescent lights, I was unable to see 3 little
black dots on the yellow tang that I immediately spotted when I placed
him in the main tank (under 450 VHO watts). The LFS guy said not to
fresh water dip the fish because it would stress it out, if not kill it.
<... which is more stressful? To you, the fish? To have your system
infested with Turbellarians? Or a simple dip/bath? Bad call.> I also
do not favor this method too much because I lost another yellow tang to
an 8 min fresh water dip 3 years ago - as soon as I placed him back in
the tank his buoyancy got messed up and sank to the bottom, only to die
a few minutes later. <Was the freshwater (presumably) dip water pH
adjusted? Aerated?> So, I properly acclimated yellow tang Number 2
and introduced him into my setup, since I had no quarantine tank. Since
day 1 (1 month in my tank), the yellow tang has had 2 outbreaks with the
black dots. He doesn't scratch, eats well (has devoured all my Caulerpa
algae and does not appear to be skittish.) I have attempted several
times to catch him, however, it is impossible to lure him with food..
he constantly hides (well, I'd do the same thing If I were him). My
question is, is this disease deadly since he eats well, and all behavior
seems to be normal? <Not "very" deadly... just persistent,
semi-debilitating> Will he ever recover by himself if not treated /
left in the tank? <Mmm, not likely... the "tank has the disease"
now... a balance can be struck with biological cleaners (Lysmata Shrimp,
Gobiosoma gobies...), but Paravortex will live in a tang-free
environment for months at times... w/o hosts> I hate to tear off the
tank completely to catch him ( I have 25 corals + 120 lbs of LR. I have
read this Paravortex flatworm or whatever, does not affect other fish
(currently I have 2 other tangs with the yellow one) but it's hard to
get rid of. <Yes, you are correct> If the fish does not
deteriorate due to the flatworm, do I still need to remove him from the
tank? <Mmm, no> Any advice on what to do would greatly be
appreciated. WWM site is simply invaluable. Thanks for your help,
Dimitris <I do wish we could go back in time... I could convince you
to at least quarantine this Yellow Tang.... if not dip it... I would go
the cleaner route here. Bob Fenner>
Re: Black spot disease
outbreak? Hello Bob, <Dimitri> Thanks for writing back.
How's the weather in San Diego? <Bunk, overcast... been a very rainy
winter...> I live in Largo, FL.. similar weather but very humid most
of the time <Very nice> I did purchase 3 peppermint shrimp to
fight this... <Mmm, not Peppermints... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clnrfaqs.htm> ...so hopefully they'll
do their thing. Yes, I agree with the fresh water dip but I had a bad
start with the other yellow tang, so I was naturally afraid (I also
listened to the LFS guy ). I just wish the supplier(s) in HI would
actually dip the fish before they ship them over to the LFSs (could have
saved me a lot of headaches). Dimitris <Yowzah! You're so right...
this is a campaign issue I've been waging for going on thirty years in
the trade... Really makes not sense not to... to bump off your
customers... their livestock... over such a simple procedure... Bob
Fenner> Paravortex "Black Spot Disease" 11/11/05 WWM
Crew, Recently my Yellow tang showed signs of Black Spot Disease
(little black dots covering its entire body) after a few days they were
gone, and then a few days later they were back. I hope my diagnosis was
correct. I followed Mr. Fenner advice from the book The Conscientious
Marine Aquarist (great book) and gave the Tang a fresh water bath (pH
adjusted & aerated) for 10 min and it did very well and knocked off all
the black spots. <Good> After the bath I put it in a 20gal by
itself. Two weeks later there are no signs of Black Spots. First
question, how long should I keep the tang in the 20gal before putting it
back into the main tank? <About another two weeks> Second
question, how long will the Paravortex survive without a host? <A few
weeks typically> Third, are my fish in the display tank (72gal bow)
at risk for contracting the disease? Currently in the tank I have 1
Bicolor Angel 6" (doing very well contrary to reputation), 2 True
Perculas (pair), 1 Lawn Mower Blenny, 2 Blue/Green Chromis, and 1 Yellow
Tail Damsel. <Mmm, there is a possibility these fishes might act as
"reservoir hosts"... Ideally, all would be processed per your Tang,
isolated, the infested system allowed to run fallow for a month...> I
practice good maintenance; all tanks (3) get a 10% water change twice a
week and parameters are stable and were they should be. Please lend me
some advice, my Bicolor Angel misses the Tang and likewise for the Tang.
They are good buddies. Thanks in advance, Bryan <Heeee! Soon to
be reunited. A thought... adding a purposeful cleaner... perhaps a
Lysmata Shrimp or a Gobiosoma goby... might add interest to your system
as well as utility here. Bob Fenner> Re: Paravortex "Black Spot
Disease" 11/12/2005 Mr. Fenner, Thanks for the
information. I guess I should have mentioned that I do have one Scarlet
Skunk Cleaner Shrimp in the tank as well as a few soft corals, one
Bubble Tip Anemone (opposite end of tank from corals), Black/Red star,
and other hermits and snails. <Ah, yes, thank you> I sure hope
that the others are not acting as a reservoir host, they show no signs.
The cleaner shrimp has been cleaning the Bicolor Angel regularly. He
also cleans the Chromis too. I think I will leave the Tang out for
another 3-4 weeks just to make sure. Thanks again. Bryan <If
this doesn't work out (this time) it is not that big of a deal to
"re-do"... Paravortex is not "very debilitating". Cheers, Bob Fenner>
"Black ick" I would just like to say I really like your
information and it's always helpful to me. Well, where to begin... I
have a 55 gallon with about 100 pounds of live rock, 30 pounds of live
sand, and some low light corals (I have about 3 watts per gallon, but I
haven't tried difficult corals yet). Because of corals and invertebrate,
I keep my salinity on the high end (1.024). Water temp is good and
steady at 76. Anyway, because I have so much live rock and that I do 5 %
water changes weekly, I have very good water quality. Can honestly say I
have never had a big spike, other than phosphates a while ago. I do
quarantine new fish for 3-4 weeks before adding them to my main tank. I
learned that mistake when I first started. All of my fish died from
marine velvet, last year, because I did not quarantine. Now I am very
shocked that I noticed that my yellow tang has black ick. I don't
understand how he got it because my set up is good, diseases should not
get in. <Is strange... some Paravortex must've been in the system all
along> However I read that black ick is like velvet, in that it
multiplies in the substrate, thus it probably will spread to my other
fish. <Mmm, no... this turbellarian almost exclusively infests
Zebrasoma tangs... sometimes other tangs...> Yesterday I put my tang,
potters angel, and royal Gramma in a low salinity quarantine tank.
Before doing so, I gave my tang a freshwater dip, because he was the
only one showing signs of black ick. I intend to keep them in
quarantine, giving freshwater dips daily, until the problem is subdued.
<Should only take one dip... Please read on WetWebMedia.com re... you
can use the search tool on the homepage> I want to know if my Clark
Clown fish will be fine, if left in the main tank? <Yes> I heard
that they are very disease resistant, does this include black ick? I
also didn't want to take him out of the main tank because of his
anemone. I bought him at a very young age and immediately he was
attached to the long tentacle. I also heard that it can be very
stressful for both fish and anemone to separate. Should I take my clown
out and "treat" him also? <No> Is there anything, other then
freshwater dips and garlic in the food, that I can do, without copper (
I don't like using copper because I think it's to harmful)? Lastly, I
want to know how long it will take for the "black ick" to be completely
gone from my main tank. For marine velvet I waited about 5 weeks before
adding fish. Do I have to keep my fish quarantined this long? Any other
suggestions would be very helpful also. Thank you very much and I
apologize for grammar and spelling, it's not my strongest area. <No
need to panic... just read over re on WWM, leave the definitive host
absent for a month or more... Bob Fenner>
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