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FAQs on Marine Alkalinity 2
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- High Alka...linity... -
Hi there fish gods <Egads, that seems a bit extreme.>
Here is the low down I got some alk issues. I finally got myself some quality
test kits here (red sea test kits are really a guessing game) so here are the
problems here 2 tanks first tank 75 gallon FOWLR wet/dry with live rock and
Caulerpa instead of bio bale (correcting some high nitrates) light over the
wet/dry 24 hours here are the readings Ph 8.3-8.4 constant alk 4.46mq Ca roughly
400-450 (another great re sea test testing only by 50ppm!) ammo 0.0-0.25
nitrite.01 nitrate 30-50 (down from well over 70ppm if not higher) phosphate
over 2.0ppm (yeah got the algae machine working here bad source water related:
just got the RO/DI to correct this problem maybe you have a suggestion on
bringing this down quickly beside the obvious water changes and nutrient control
also the reason for the Caulerpa in the sump. <There are several filtration
options available work as a phosphate sponges and remove nearly all of it - just
put inline somewhere in your filtration loop.> Now i also have a 37 gallon
reef newly set up running for about 2 months a little better off than the FOWLR
readings are: ph.8.3-8.4 alk 5.26?! ca :400-450 nirite:0 nitrate:0
ammo:0 phos:0.2 With the new RO/DI water I tested some pre/mixed
heated and aerated for 24 hours readings on the pre mix was ph
8.3-8.4 alk 9.96dkh ca 100-150 ppm using reef blend salt I know RO/DI
removes ca. but this seems pretty low to me but happy with the alk compared to
the tank probs. Additives are B-Ionic 2 part daily and iodide every other day.
What can I do to bring this alk down with out using the Kalk which I just got
but have not dosed yet because of the ph and ca being on the high side as is so
didn't wont to cause anymore problems than what I'm dealing with already.
<Hmm... give it a couple of weeks. This tank is pretty new and needs to
settle out some more. I wouldn't worry too much about the high alkalinity, but
I'd stop doing to B-ionic for a little while.> Please help!
<Cheers, J -- >
Alk/Calcium Balancing Act?
Here's another bazillion dollar question for you.
Tank: 75 gal, 95 lbs. LR, RO. water, two skimmer's 5' and smaller one both CC,
1300 gph flow main tank at head, plenum, 30 gal sump/fuge, attached 20 also fuge,
both fuges have 4" DSB, some Caulerpa and other non-Caulerpa macro algae.
Calcium 250-300, alk is 4.8-5.2 mg/L, pH 8-8.2 at lights out, ammonia, nitrite
and nitrate undetectable, phosphate undetectable, silicate's 8. I dose one
gallon of Kalkwasser each night and add ESV two part every morning before lights
on. I am also using Anthony's method of chilling about a teaspoon of Kalk and
adding it directly to the tank to raise calcium and pH twice a week. I have read
everything on your site about alk, ca, and ph.
My problem started when my calcium etc. precipitated out of my mixed, stored,
water change water. The precip coated my heater powerhead and mixing can with a
white gritty film. Over a period (while I was trying to figure out what was
causing it) my calcium levels in my tank dropped to between 200 and 250. To make
a long story short I contacted all the salt manufacturers for help on this
problem and they of course couldn't tell me what was wrong. They said my problem
is very unusual and they and couldn't help me. Anyway, I then purchased a Tropic
Marin hydrometer and found my salinity level was 1.028. I slowly dropped the
salinity back down to 1.025 using buffered RO. water. Since then, I have been
fighting high alk and low calcium, and a little hair and Cyano mixed.
<If this is one of the plastic hydrometers, they all differ, but usually
within an acceptable range. I like mine to read zero with 78F RO
water. It will likely read correctly or close enough at that
point. Your calcium problem is related to high
alkalinity. You don't mention what you use for source
water. Is it RO, tap, etc? With so much silicate it sounds like tap
water. I would get an RO/DI unit that removes silicates (and alk) from the
make-up water. Your water may also be high in alkalinity to start which could
precipitate your calcium.>
>The algae are isolated to the left front of my tank in an area about 6"
by 12" long, right in front of the AGA overflow. I have a powerhead located
right above it angled toward the front to provide water flow to this area of the
tank. So far it has not expanded to any other area of the system. The Cyano
seems to ebb and flow with the lighting, receding as the timers reduce light.
The hair alga is not as much of a problem, but it is mixed in with the Cyano and
only stays in this area. Would the high silicates contribute to the problem
algae? I do not have any other problem algae of any kind. Neither of the fuges
have Cyano either.
Steven recommended a couple of large water changes to get everything back to
normal then continue using the two part and Kalk to keep things in check.
<Excellent advice. I would advise you use the Kalk to supplement
calcium and b-ionic at half strength as directed on the bottle.
To get your calcium up from there I would use Seachem Reef Calcium (it can be
used to raise calcium levels up to 25 mg/l per day.) Raising it to 380-425 will
take a few days while using Kalk at night. Once you get to 38-425
then return to Kalk using b-ionic or preferably just a marine buffer to maintain
alk at 3.5-5 meq/l.
It is 4 now which is ideal.>
I just finished the massive water changes two days ago although it helped, my
alk is still 4.8, pH 8.1 and calcium 300. The calcium did not precipitate out of
the water change water this time. I mixed the water with two powerheads and
heater for about 16 hours then changed the water. What am I doing wrong? Do I
need more Kalkwasser? I am building a calcium reactor. However, it will not be
done for at least several weeks maybe longer. From reading at WWM it won't help
much unless I can get things centered. I am getting tired of banging my head
against the wall. Any help would be much appreciated. Oh! And by the way thanks
for all your help and may God bless all of you for your unselfish service to us
all.
<You aren't doing anything wrong. High alk and high calcium work against one
another. This is like sugar and cream in coffee. You are trying to mix it at a
specific ration. There is only so much sugar and cream coffee can hold in
suspension. If you add more sugar there will be less coffee and cream compared
to sugar. If you add more cream there will be less sugar and coffee compared to
cream. You want to test it and determine a system of regular supplementation
that get's it just right. You may need to use a bit of another calcium
supplement (or your new reactor) to keep your calcium up while replacing only 1
gallon of evaporation a day. Be careful of the b-ionic, it is a balanced alk/calcium
system and the alk portion needs to be factored into your situation. Each time
you add alk (b-ionic or buffer) you make your coffee hold less calcium in
comparison to alk. All that is necessary is to add more calcium by
comparison. Anthony wrote a really good article on this subject, you
can read it at: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm This
should help!
You aren't as far off as you think! Craig>
Alkalinity & Hunger strike
Greetings,
I have a 72 gallon FOWLR tank with 80 lbs live rock, 2 false perculas, and 2
shrimp. I decided to keep my water I use for water changes in a 40 gal Rubbermaid
trash can. I aerate and heat the water continuously. My specific
gravity is 1.023 using Instant Ocean. I continuously added Seachem's Marine
Buffer to raise my pH to 8.3. I also added Seachem Reef Calcium to get my
calcium to 360 ppm. Using a Salifert alkalinity test kit I then measured my alkalinity
at 20dKH! Do I need to scrap this batch of water and start over using
Kalk to raise the pH or would it be safe to use this water since I have no
corals?
<You simply used too much of this fine product. For a frame of reference, I
start with deionized water, heat and aerate, add salt (Instant Ocean or Reef
Crystals), and then add about 1/2 teaspoon per five gallons of Reef Builder and
Marine Buffer. After that, My new water is generally right on. The simplest way
to deal with this is to make up some new water, do not add buffering compounds
to this water, and blend with the high alkalinity water. In effect diluting it
down.>
On another note, my larger false percula (1.5 in) has gone on a hunger strike
the past 3 days. It's color is still great with no obvious parasites or other
signs of illness. It seems to spend a lot of time digging a hole in the
substrate (moving back and forth, displacing the substrate).
<This is fairly typical behavior for clownfish.>
The smaller false percula, who is eating fine, seems to visit this hole from
time to time and rubs himself in it as well. Both of these fish were purchased
about 1 month ago from separate dealers. Could they be building some sort of
nest?
<They are building something. I would not call it a nest. They sometimes
clear away sand from an area that they are considering spawning around.>
Could this explain why the larger one is on a hunger strike?
<Not likely. If they wanted to spawn, they would need to feed heavily. If
they already had eggs and were guarding them, they may be reluctant to leave to
eat.>
I attempted to stimulate the larger one's appetite with brine shrimp but no
luck.
<I would double check all aspects of water quality just to be sure and keep
an eye on the situation. It is unusual for a clownfish to ignore brine shrimp.
All fish love it even though it is worthless nutritionally.>
Thanks, Jeff
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
Alkalinity/calcium
I have a question about alkalinity:
<OK>
During the last two or three weeks I have begun using B-ionic to raise the
alkalinity and calcium. Tonight, I tested the water for the fourth time. I am
some what befuddled by what I discovered.
<you may not need to be confused. A common problem with these 2-part mixes is
that aquarists do not shake the calcium part vigorously before every dose. The
product stratifies in the bottle and all components do not then get dosed
equally or in balance. So what happens in a short time is that the Ca/ALK
dynamic gets skewed. Any doubts, simply put the calcium part in a clear glass
bottle and let it sit overnight. You can see the stratification>
It took sixteen drops of alkalinity fluid to get the color from pink to purple.
The kit states that one must multiply the number of drops by ten and that will
produce the carbonate hardness. Using this method, the carbonate hardness of the
water is 160 mg/l. In order to get the meg/l (which is an often referred number
in aquarium literature), one must divide the 160 by 0.02 Using this measure, the
mEq/L is 8. Isn't this scary high?
<Doh!!! yes! At risk of precipitation!!! Please confirm this reading on
another brand of test kit and if true simply do water changes to bring down>
I'm thinking no more calcium or alkalinity additives until this number gets down
to about 2.5-5.0 Am I in the ball park?
<Oh, ya!>
I really want to get the dKH but I can't find how to measure this. Can you tell
me how to find the dKH?
<dKH is carbonate hardness... which makes up most but not all of GH (general
hardness). No worries here... just use the conversion factor in the test kit
(all have)>
Now. . .the calcium level just isn't moving at all. I don't have very many
calcium using animals, but I am feeding the corallines, Halimeda and a bubble
coral. Every time I measure the calcium, it stays between 260 and 280. What do
you suggest?
<this is low because of the high ALK... they are somewhat mutually
competitive/incompatible. One cannot naturally have high Ca and high ALK. One
should be moderate while the other approaches the higher end. Aim for 350-450ppm
calcium and 8-12 dKH but not the high end of both>
Ph is a solid 8.3 Lights 420 watt VHO are on for twelve hours each day.
All of these test were performed with a fairly new Hagen test kit.
<hmmm... not exactly known for high quality/accuracy. Do test on another for
redundancy>
Thanks for the help gentlemen. I am somewhat concerned about all of this. . .
Dave D.
<no worries, water changes will dilute and get you back on track. Best
regards, Anthony>
Alk/phosphate questions
Mr. Fenner,
<Hi Mike, Craig here today>
I have a few more questions, I just tested the alk today (have been testing
daily waiting for it to fall from high levels) and the reading was 4meq/L dKH
was 11.2.
<This is good. Ideal range is 3.5 to 5 meq/L.>
Up until now I suspended topping off the tank with Kalk, because of the
previously high level. Is now a good time to top off with Kalk water?
<Kalk is a calcium supplement and does not directly affect alkalinity, but
does optimize the system alk. It does have an extremely high pH (12) so should
be administered at night to moderate pH fluctuations and dosed according to
daily average usage of calcium. See Kalk faq's at: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/kalkh2ofaqs.htm
>
Secondly, I suspended adding a buffer to my new water for the water changes, can
I add the buffer too? The Ph was at 8.1 tonight.
Will the buffer raise the alk drastically or more like maintain it as it does
the Ph?
<If using RO/DI water, aerate 12-24 hrs, test pH and buffer to 8.3
I use Seachem Marine Buffer and follow the dosage on the label.
Add salt mix, run powerhead/aeration/heater for 12-24 hours. Should be 8.3-8.4
pH. PLEASE do figure average alkalinity usage as you do for calcium and dose the
buffer/carbonate additives to maintain 3.5 to 5 meq/L alk.>
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The reason I ask the buffer question is this, I also have an algae problem, its
brownish and covering over half the glass in the tank, and some spots of red
algae. From an email I got here I heard a higher Ph level will help combat the
high phosphate level (0.25ppm).
<Kalk use will take care of this. Test calcium and dose Kalk daily to match
usage. This is likely not phosphates, but diatom algae and Cyanobacteria.
Increase circulation for Cyano and reduce nitrates and silicates for diatom
algae. Lowering phosphates will naturally help. If this is a newer tank, this is
a stage your tank will go through. Check your source water, make sure your
skimmer and filtration is optimized, and remove as much as possible.>
Here are the steps I'm thinking of taking:
reduce the period of lighting from 12 hrs to 8hrs.
<VERY bad idea if you have photosynthetic inhabitants you want to live. They
need 12 hours. Will not reduce phosphates, silicates or nitrates.>
Adding the buffer to raise Ph.
<Also bad idea. Add buffer to alkalinity test results. All else remaining
normal this should provide a 8.3-8.4 pH. Adding buffer indiscriminately will
raise alkalinity to abnormal levels.>
Buying a chemical phosphate reducer.
<Some of these are quite good. I like Polyfilters.>
Will any if not all of these help reduce the phosphate in the tank?
<Kalk use, water changes with phosphate free source water, low phosphate
foods, appropriate feeding, skimming, filtration, PolyFilter/chemical will all
contribute.>
Tank Parameters:
amm 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 7-10
alk 4.0 meq/L (down from 5.5 yesterday, is this normal to drop this much
overnight)
<With calcium additives, yes. Test both alk and calcium on alternate days
adding supplements for calcium and alk on alternate days until ideal range for
each is attained. Test, write down results, stop additives for three days, test
again, subtract and divide result by three. That is your daily usage of calcium
(Kalk) and alkalinity (buffer). That's what you have to add of *each*, every
day. Kalk at night.>
dKH 11.2
Phosphate 0.25ppm
Calcium 365ppm (up from yesterday's 330ppm, using reef evolution concentrate)
<Yes, will drive alk down more so test alk and calcium while supplementing
calcium.>
Ph 8.1 <Likely AM test? Test in PM>
SG 1.025
Temp 78F
Lighting 12h/day
Thanks once again, I really need to buy your book, Mike
<Hope this helps Mike! Craig>
Re: alk/phosphate questions
Mr. Fenner and Company, It's Mike again, a few more questions.
<Hi Mike>
Today I tested the Calcium and it was a 335ppm, down from 365ppm
yesterday...does this seem likely or just an erroneous test yesterday?
<Yep. That's likely your calcium use for one day. Clams, SPS, LPS, etc use
more calcium and adding alk will use some as well.>
And one more algae question. You guys suggested I have diatom algae present in
my tank, I scrapped the glass off and it looks clear, hasn't grown back by the
barrel full yet.
<Yep, likely diatom algae>
Now today I noticed some small green hair-like algae growing on my live rock, so
I asked another friend of mine into reef tanks, he said get rid of it quick...it
will take over a tank fast! Is this true and cause for concern?
<Yes, it can and will spread if you don't pick and pull it now. some Tangs
eat it, but usually only when short. Best to do away with it before it gets
going.>
I have some margarita snails (3), some Cerith (3), and some scarlet reef hermits
(10), and Nassarius snails (15). Will any of these aid in the control of this?
And what type of algae could this be?
<Not usually. This is green hair algae of course! Look up algae and specific
ally green-hair algae on WetWebMedia.com for other possible controls.>
After reading your reply below, I'm going to start topping off with Kalk water,
and that Ph reading (8.1) was taken at around 7:30pm here that's why I wanted to
dose Kalk to maybe raise it without the buffer. and if I understand you, Kalk
doesn't effect alk reading? then I shouldn't have suspended it as I did. Thanks
once again, Mike
<Right. It reduced your calcium and didn't do anything to your alk.
You can add buffer/carbonate up to 5 meq/l alkalinity, (which will likely
produce an 8.3 pH), but using Kalkwasser will help with keeping the pH up as
well. Make sure you test your alk regularly and also magnesium with Kalk use as
it will be depleted over time with Kalk. Hope this helps, Craig>
High alkalinity
To whom it may concern,
I have had my aquarium going for about 2 months now. I tested my saltwater on
10/10/02 and my alkalinity is 7.0. I had an expired alkalinity test kit and I
kept adding Seachem buffer to raise the alkalinity and the calcium. I recently
bought a new alkalinity test kit and it was high. My current readings are
Ca-315, Phosphate 3.0, Nitrite 0, Ammonia 0, pH 8.0, Nitrate 0, and Alk 7.0. We
have recently started getting green hair algae and have had 3 turbo snails die.
How do we get our alkalinity and phosphate to an acceptable level, and calcium
to a higher level.
<Forget about the additives and just perform water changes (with water that
is at the appropriate levels) to get yourself back on course.>
We have been putting liquid calcium and have raised it from 275 to 315. Can you
please help me?
<Sure, see above>
I do not want to lose any more fish or invertebrates. I also have 2 sandsifting
stars and 4 hermit crabs. PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
In desperate need, Parri Carr
<I can tell you are panicking a bit there. I would just focus on the water
changes for now. I strongly prefer RO or DI water and a high quality salt mix,
so you can be assured the new water is clean. Please refer to the
www.WetWebMedia.com archives for further guidance. -Steven Pro>
Re: Heliofungia Actiniformis, Dilution is the Solution to Pollution: High
ALK
I will try what you suggested to revive the plate coral. I mentioned my
water chemistry was good but I hadn't checked my calcium hardness and it is WAY
too high. I have checked it twice and it is reading over 20dKH with a LaMotte
kit (it actually reads it as CaCO3 at 4515 ppm).
<YIKES!>
My pH is steady at 8.2 and Alkalinity is 2.75 meq/L. I have a calcium reactor
hooked up filled with Korallith and water flowing through it but I have yet to
connect the C02 tank. When I originally filled the tank I overdosed on Seachem's
Marine buffer to the point that a precipitate formed all over everything (I am
still trying to remove it).
<ahhh, yes... I see>
I did a water change but have been adding Marine Buffer to replacement water (RODI)
to bring pH to same level.
<agreed... but do aerate before any buffer or salt>
Any suggestions on what I should do next?
<indeed... a string of large water changes. As they say, "Dilution is
the Solution to Pollution.">
Sorry to hear the trip to Mexico fell through. It sounded like it would have
been interesting.
<yes... I was dreadfully sorry to miss it. We were so surprised to get a call
2 days before the event!>
Thank you again. Regards, Gerardo
<my pleasure, Anthony>
Reef tank frustration (alkalinity, env. disease, invert.s...)
Dear Bob,
<cheers, love... Anthony Calfo in your service>
I hope you can help me with this one. Actually I'm embarrassed to even be asking
for help as I am by trade a professional aquarist, working for an aquarium
service company for over 15 years, with 4 years prior experience in general
fishkeeping before that.
<no worries at all... impossible to be an expert on all things. And a
pleasure to learn a lifetime long>
I was there at the inception of the reef keeping hobby!!!! So here it goes, and
please don't tell anyone.
<nobody but the thousands of daily FAQ readers>
I have a 35 gallon reef tank with live sand and live rock. It has 2 internal
powerheads with connecting sponge filters, and the back filter is an Aquaclear
500 that has a sponge and carbon. I do 15% water changes weekly, sometimes more
recently because of my problems. My water chemistry is as follows: pH 8.3 Temp
76F Salinity 1.021 kH 20 and Nitrate 10 ppm. I have 0 Nitrites and 0 Phosphates.
I know the kH is a little high, which has just happened recently to add to my
problems.
<your dKH is actually sky high and endangers your system for a precipitous
fallout. Please do water changes until you get closer to 11-12 dKH>
And the problem is, any invertebrate I put into the tank seems to go into a
coma. They don't die they just act like they are drugged or something, and a leg
of my serpent star fell off. It's insane!!! I deal with reef tanks all the time
and have never run across this.
<just curious... have you tested your magnesium or manganese levels or used
Crystal Sea salt mix?>
I have 2 fish, 1 Royal Gramma and 1 Yellow tail blue devil both of which are
very happy and healthy.
<indeed.. all different tolerances than inverts. Still... do consider using a
PolyFilter to check for color change and indication of a contaminant>
I checked for copper also which only had very slight traces, probably coming
from the pipes in the house.
<strange... should be zero. Definitely consider regular use of PolyFilters in
the system>
I have even gone so far a to have a $160.00 water test done on my water which
comes from a deep well. That tested out good except for higher than normal
levels of Manganese, which they said was not harmful. But could this be
poisoning my inverts?
<Bingo!... they were wrong and you win the hairy Kewpie doll that bares an
unsettling resemblance to Danny DeVito>
After I put the crabs, starfish or snails in the tank they seem to be ok for
several hours until they just slow down and stop moving. Their not dead just not
moving, however some do die. I am totally frustrated and emotionally upset, I
love these animals and take pride in my good husbandry.
<understood and agreed, my dear>
Something is eluding me, even my boss can't figure it out. I hope you have some
ideas. Any help will be greatly appreciated !!! Sincerely,
Deborah
<indeed...such invertebrates have great sensitivity to metals of all kinds
where fish are more tolerant. The Polyfilters are great for absorbing metals. Do
consider pretreating water to screen it. Best regards, Anthony>
Cheney
Wells, Maine
Calcium and alkalinity question
Hi Craig,
<Hi Jun!>
Another question for you. I went to the LFS and have my calcium and alkalinity
(is KH and dKH the same?) tested today. My Ca level is 320 and KH/dKH is 160.
What do I have to do to get my alkalinity level and Ca level to an acceptable
level. Thanks again (just as I promise more questions to come)......Jun A.
<Okay. dH, GH, KH, and even dKH are alternate terms the Germans gave us for
measuring alkalinity, they are the same. <<Mmm, no. RMF>> I think you may have your alkalinity
test results goofed up, perhaps expressed as dKH when they meant meq/L, or
missing a decimal point? Is it 16.0 dKH or 1.60 meq/L? Based on your tests and
your Toadstool acting up I'll bet your alk is 1.6meq/L. Please double check. If
it is 1.6 it is VERY LOW and you need to get a good Marine Buffer like Seachem
Marine Buffer to keep your alkalinity at 3.5 - 5 meq/L (10 - 14 dKH) ASAP.
Please test your pH as well which should be 8.3 -8.4 just before the lights go
off. Calcium should be around 400-450 mg/L. Seachem makes a good calcium
supplement called "Reef Advantage Calcium" which is a good product.
Follow the label directions exactly for dosing. I would also recommend investing
in a few good quality test kits so you can maintain your water in top condition
without stressing your inhabitants (or waiting to go to the fish store). Seachem
and Salifert are favorites. Please read more about alkalinity and calcium at
WetWebMedia.com. There is much to learn! Craig>
Carbonate Hardness
Dear Bob,
<cheers across the pond... Anthony Calfo in your service>
I own a 70 (UK) gallon system, fish only, which I set up in May. I now have five
fish who all look very happy & healthy, a good filtration system (protein
skimmer, UV sterilizer etc), but high KH. According to the Hagen test kit, KH
should be between 105 - 125 mg/l, but my reading is approx. 225 mg/l!
<for marine aquaria it may not be a problem as long as your calcium is also
not on the high end. No worries though... let's test your tap water to see how
high the KH is there. If necessary you could dilute your "very hard"
tap water with RO or DI water if necessary>
Previously when I was testing weekly it was always slightly higher (140 -170),
but my stockist told me that was nothing to worry about.
<agreed.... likely little or nothing to worry about>
I do 10% water changes weekly, using Aquarium Pharmaceuticals tap water filter,
my SG is usually around .20, and my ph is around 8 - 8.1. How do I solve this
problem, if it is a problem? I have KH buffers, but I don't need to increase the
alkaline, and my stockist doesn't seem to be too clear about this area. Once
again I'm turning to you guys! Thanks, Hamish, UK.
<again... in the big picture not much to worry about. Use fish health as n
indicator and look a little closer at the source water... temper if needed. Best
regards, Anthony>
Low Alk
Sigh. hi again. How are you?
<Just fine thank you! I am guessing the same could not be said for you.>
I'm confused (way too regular of an occurrence). I use Aquarium Pharmaceuticals
Tap Water Purifier for my water. The pH of that water is 7.0 (or lower). The
alkalinity is very low also. I've used Aqua Lab pH-Guard (claims to raise and
stabilizes pH at 8.3 and adds trace elements) while I aerate the water and that
seems to get the pH to 8.0 (maybe 8.2). The alkalinity reads 1.4 meq/l.
<Pretty low>
I have Kent Marine Pro Buffer dKH and I'm using it on my main tank. It seems to
stabilize the pH but the alkalinity doesn't seem to go up. I have no fish thus
far. I've only used it for a few days thus far. The tank has been running with
60 lbs of liverock in a 55 gallon for 2 months. Could the tank not have cycled
yet and does that affect the alkalinity?
<The cycling process creates acidic compounds that do have an effect on your
alkalinity.>
BTW my nitrite, nitrate and ammonia are all 0.
<If they are staying at those levels, your tank is cycled.>
I'm guessing it hasn't cycled but does that affect the alkalinity levels?
<Yes, kind of, but not much more than the everyday nitrogen cycle.>
Anyway what is the best procedure to treat my purified water?
<Aerate for one day, then add salt mix, mix for another day, then test pH and
alkalinity and adjust as needed.>
What products?
<I like Aquarium System's brands of salt and Seachem Reef Builder and Marine
Buffer, but there are plenty of other good products.>
Two part and SeaBuffer?
<Two part additives would be too expensive for me.>
Whew made it! Thanks sooo much. Justaguy ;)
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
Marine buffer precipitate
Greetings. I have a bit of a problem with a new reef tank. It is 135 with a
70 gallon sump. I used a SEACHEM product called Marine Buffer to "raise and
maintain" my pH to 8.3 as I was filling the tank. Problem is my pH probe
was not working properly and I added too much of the stuff. probably about 6-8
times the recommended dose. It put a white film on everything, including the
glass from the area where the water line was when I added it to the top. I can't
seem to get it off!
First thing I did was do a big water change and that seemed to make it easier to
scrape off but there is some that still won't come off. I have tried scrub pads
from my LFS and a credit card but they don't seem to work well. Any suggestions?
<Only way that I am aware of for removing the stains requires an empty tank.
They should go away on their own in time. I you happen to have an empty tank,
and vinegar should break the stains down.>
Secondly, I recalibrated my pH probe and it now reads 8.03 but it wont go higher
than that no matter how much Marine Buffer I add. It will rise for a few minutes
but settles back down to 8.03. Want to hook up my calcium reactor but I wanted
to get my pH and calcium stabilized before I do. Any suggestions? By the way,
this white film covered the probes also and I soaked them in vinegar overnight
and scrubbed them with a toothbrush to get it off. I noticed my pH probe reads
.30 less when the ORP probe is submerged. What's up with that?
<Could be that the buffer is not raising the PH higher than 8.03, or the
probe is still off. Does the probe measure correctly at other PH levels? Do you
have any other ph tests to compare with? What type of source water are you
using? Demineralized water is unstable and usually has a low pH, which is why
you should aerate it before buffering and salting. There is some good info on
raising ph at the link below. Good luck, Gage
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marphfaq2.htm>
Alk/Calcium
Hi gang, hope everything is groovy.
My alkalinity reading is 60 mg/l (I'm using a Hagen test kit). Does that mean
ppm? What is the conversion equation for dKH or meg/l? (sorry, I've never tested
Alk in the past).
Also I can't seem to get a reading on my Calcium (readings are indicating sky
high, which is improbable) as I use a Hagen test kit for that also. Is there a
better/best kit?
Thanks, you guys rock..
Justaguy
Hey Justaguy!
Craig here, and feelin' groovy.
The equivalents between measurements is as follows:
1mg/L = 0.02meq/L
Americans measure alkalinity in meq/L
The German hardness scale is dKH.
So, at 60mg/L X 0.02= 1.2meq/L. so using the measurement you got from the Hagen
kit your alk is 1.2meq/L VERY LOW.
Most keep calcium around 425-475 calcium and Alk at 3.5 to 5 meq/L
(1mg/L=0.02meq/L). Also test pH regularly as well.
I suggest purchasing quality test kits to ensure accuracy.
Salifert and Seachem are two excellent brands.
Have Fun!
Craig
Alk/Calcium
Hi gang, hope everything is groovy.
<yep... just as soon as I get my bong fired up>
My alkalinity reading is 60 mg/l (I'm using a Hagen test kit). Does that mean
ppm?
<nope><<Mmm, yes... mg/l is equivalent to ppm. RMF>>
What is the conversion equation for dKH or meg/l? (sorry, I've never tested Alk
in the past).
<hmmm... I don't recall the conversion off by heart. Are you sure it isn't in
the test kit literature. It surely must be... I've never seen a test kit that
didn't have it>
Also I can't seem to get a reading on my Calcium (readings are indicating sky
high, which is improbable) as I use a Hagen test kit for that also. Is there a
better/best kit?
<definitely... I like Aquarium Systems brand Calcium test kit. Inexpensive
and easy to read the titration point>
Thanks, you guys rock.. Justaguy
<best regards, Anthony>
Alkalinity too high
Dear Bob,
<<JasonC today, greetings.>>
We have a marine reef tank and I've checked ph, phosphates, ammonia, nitrite,
nitrate, calcium...everything checks out fine....but the alkalinity is reading
4.5. <<In dKH, that's a 12.6, so while on the upper end of practical it
isn't really 'that' high.>>
I've done partial water changes, added magnesium, but still cannot control
alkalinity. <<I would stop adding anything [Kalkwasser, buffers, calcium,
etc.] for a little while, perhaps consider how/why you are adding all this stuff
beyond partial water changes.>>
Calcium is at 450 ppm - (dosed with Kalkwasser) PH is at 8.2 Rest checks out to
0 to trace ppm <<Well... with the calcium and alkalinity both towards the
higher end of the scale, you are on the precipice of a calcium precipitation
event. I would stop with the Kalkwasser for a little while and examine other
additives to make sure they aren't also boosting your alkalinity.>>
What are we doing wrong? <<Hard to say without a little more information,
like what else you add to the tank and how much, how often. I would also
consider the possibility that your test kit is off so testing with another kit
can at least be a good sanity check.>> Please advise...
Drex
<<Cheers, J -- >>
Re: Alkalinity too high
Dear Jason:
<<Good morning.>>
We were informed to add magnesium with the sea salt at water changes because
there is not an adequate amount of magnesium. <<Sure... but by how much
are you deficient? Are you testing for magnesium or did someone just tell you
this? Regular tests will be a good guide for how much you should be adding - or
perhaps not adding.>>
We also add Coral Accel daily, Coral Vite weekly, Essential Elements weekly,
strontium weekly, and iodine weekly. <<Yes, but how much? Do you test for
any of these things? They shouldn't just be added as directed on the bottle but
also tested against so you know if you are adding too much or too little of
something. Again... I'd stop this regular schedule of adding 'stuff' and let the
tank come into balance on its own.>>
Thanks, Drex
<<You are welcome. Cheers, J -- >>
Alkalinity
Quick question? <<Sure...>> It seems I have to add about 1
teaspoon of baking soda or SuperBuffer to my top off water every day to keep my
alkalinity around 10 to 12. <<By any chance is your top-off RO/DI water?
This is pretty typical if so... RO/DI is demineralized.>> Is that o.k. or
am I adding to much to the system. <<Probably fine... do be careful about
bringing up the alkalinity too high. I wouldn't go over 12.>> I have been
doing daily testing and it has never gone over 12. <<There you go
then.>> Thanks
<<Cheers, J -- >>
Carbonate Hardness
Hi, Bob and experts,
<greetings and salutations>
I brought a sera dKH test kit for my saltwater and the test result is 12
dKH.
<excellent>
Q1) Is that too high ?
<nope... 8-12 dKH is a nice range. Resist going higher unless you are a coral
farmer/specializing in scleractinians farmed intensively. Even then not
necessary>
Q2) What causes dKH to turn high ?
<excess carbonates (buffer or calcium reactor)>
Q3) If dKH is high, is it good ?
<low and stable is better than high and erratic>
Q4) What are purpose of testing carbonate hardness ?
<it is an indication of stability in the system and is a critical measure to
keep stable for good health and growth of many marine animals. Do test regularly
and dose to keep stable>
Thanks, Danny
<best regards, Anthony>
Alkalinity & Calcium
Hello Mr. Fenner,
<Steven Pro, part of the www.WetWebMedia.com crew, in tonight.>
I love this hobby and your website makes this hobby much more enjoyable. Thank
you. I have a quick question about alkalinity and calcium. I have a 55 gallon
tank that has been setup for 3 months with live rock and sand. Light parameters
are 1-55 watt actinic and 1-55 watt daylight. I have only a small Yellow Tang
and some clean-up critters in the aquarium right now. I have been dosing with
B-Ionic A&B for one month and my readings with Salifert test kits are as
follows: Alkalinity 9.8 and Calcium 390 and PH 8.3. Are these numbers
respectable for growing pink coralline algae?
<Yes, none are pushing the upper limits, but consistent ok numbers are better
than fluctuating but higher numbers.>
Also, when I add a capful of Part A (alkalinity) in the morning, it precipitates
out (small snowstorm).
<Probably not really a snow storm. I have used this product and have just
seen a little cloudiness, not a true precipitation event.>
However, adding two capfuls of calcium does not precipitate out. Do I need to
elevate my alkalinity and if so, how do I go about in accomplishing it? Thank
you for your help and your valuable time. Dave
<You are doing just fine. Have a nice and relaxing weekend watching your
tank. -Steven Pro>
Re: Alkalinity question
Many many thanks for the sincere advice.
<it is truly our pleasure>
You are correct about my time in the hobby and other things that you mentioned.
I went for colors and landed
with some most difficult coral selections due to lack of knowledge and bad
suggestions by the LFS.
<alas... too many of us learn this way. Here at WWM through our FAQs,
articles and e-mail we aspire to prevent as much of this as possible and give
you the tools to help yourself and others when it is not so>
After all they made the sale and now I am doing the best in my limits to provide
the best possible care for the corals.
<I commend you my friend>
How do I get these books that you mentioned in your reply. Would like to buy
them as they sound like a wealth of information.
- Book of Coral Propagation
- Aquarium Corals
<many online sellers (FFE, Custom Aquatic, Amazon.com, etc)... and if you
care to have a signed copy, you can get mine through www.readingtrees.com Thanks
kindly>
I was able to bring down the alk to 13.3 today.
<excellent! Indeed 7 or 8 to 12 is a safer zone but no worries on getting
there in a hurry. Safe and slow>
This is an improvement from the past where it almost ran 15dkh.
<agreed>
Will do phosphate test tomorrow and post the results for you. I was leaving
light on for longer periods of time as
well and have made adjustments in that side as well. I am still adding the ESV part 2 and also using Turbo Calcium to the tank.
<whoa! Houston... we have a problem. I personally do not ever recommend Turbo
Calcium for significant delivery of calcium. It really screws with the Ca/Alk
dynamic in the long run (months via chloride accumulation). It also does not
help with saponification or phosphate precipitation like Kalkwasser does. And
Kalk indirectly supports ALK as well by tempering natural acids with its caustic
nature. Kalk is actually great is used properly>
Just started this yesterday and will do Ca test tomorrow to see the chemistry
change. Will try to maintain alk at 8-12. Getting there slowly and should have
the desired levels within another 3 days. Not making any drastic changes.
<very wise>
Will resume alk dosage after these levels fall within acceptable levels.
<agreed... and use the time as it drops to chart and test your daily demand
for ALK. Will be helpful for figuring a buffer dose later>
All fish and corals seem fine at this time. Will keep close eye on them.
Should I just take some of the corals you mentioned back to my LFS and try
trading for something else ?
<Hmmm... that depends on if you like them enough to meet their needs. You
have some beauties there. Give the husbandry sections of our books a good read
through and see if you care to accept the challenge>
I am in Indianapolis. Razi
<I'm not aware of a specific reef club in your area, but might I suggest you
post on one of the big message boards like Reefcentral.com with an inquiry. You
sure do have some great marine centers regionally in Tropicorium (Romulus MI),
Inland Aquatics and Harbor Aquatics (IN) each with 30K gallons of seawater. Best
regards, Anthony>
Newbie
<<Hello, JasonC here...>>
I have learned a lot from reading all your info you are a great source of help.
well now to my question I have all normal levels I bought the test kits like you
recommended. The concern I have like most, is my alk. level. Its 40 ppm and the
more I try to get it higher the more I raise my ph I have been using Kalkwasser
for my top off water should I use baking soda with that to help my problem?
<<I would put the question to you, what are you keeping that requires
higher alkalinity? Unless you are keeping stony corals or clams, you really
don't need to be super-concerned with alkalinity. Kalkwasser will not raise your
alkalinity, but it will raise your pH as evidenced by that 8.8, which is rather
high for a saltwater system. I would stop the Kalkwasser for a little while and
just let the system run on its own for a while. Then, if you are still trying to
bring up the alkalinity, use baking soda or a commercial buffer.>> thanks.
ph=8.8 sg=.023 calcium=? alk=40 ppm
<<Cheers, J -- >>
Calcium/Buffer Question
Hi, Last week I purchased some live rock for my 55 gallon aquarium.
Throughout the week the rock started to lose its bright pink color and now it is
white.
<Could be several things; rough shipping or curing, inadequate lighting,
calcium or alkalinity, etc.>
I was running copper in my tank until last weekend when I added a PolyFilter.
<The copper could very well do it.>
The fish store recommended adding B-Ionic calcium/buffer two part system. They
said this will bring back the color on the live rock. Is there any adverse
effects of adding this to my aquarium?
<No. You should be doing something to maintain calcium and alkalinity levels;
two part additives, Kalkwasser, calcium reactor, or even very frequent water
changes. Do be sure to get calcium and alkalinity test kits so you know what you
levels are and how much to add to maintain the proper targets.>
Thank you, JPK
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
Substrate/Alkalinity Q's
Cheers, Anthony or Steven.
I'm sure Bob is having a great time in Cozumel, I have snorkeled there myself a
few times, I would live to go diving there but when I go more then a few feet
under water it feels like my head is going to explode.
<I feel the same way about Alk questions... now what was your question.. Oh,
riiiiiight <G>
Anyways I was hoping to get your guys opinion on the substrate I was planning to
change. Currently I have about 3 inches of crushed coral (mistake # 1),
<oh, ya... detritus pit>
I see what you guys mean by detritus trap. So before placing my live rock, I
siphoned really well and removed about 2 1/2 inches of the cc where I placed the
rock, so there's about 1/2 inch or less under/around the rock.
<Very good!>
The rock was placed last Sunday and I did a water change last night and the cc
around the rock was almost as dirty as the 3 inch section of the tank.
<hmmm... shouldn't be that bad>
I fed the fishes very little during this time period, my water flow isn't great
but I don't think it to be that terrible either.
<ahh... most people drastically underestimate the need for current. In a fish
only tank 6-10X is minimum... with reef and live rock displays you need MUCH
more. I have about 1500gph in my 50 gall reef and is barely looks like I have
moderate flow!>
After I minus the head pressure, flow is approx. 1500 gph on a 125 gal
FOWLR.
<yes... not bad at all... may just need to be more strategically adjusted>
I just want to get this substrate/depth thing correct because I have another
45lbs curing right now and am going to order another 90lbs in the next few weeks
and don't want to have to disassemble the rockwork every week to siphon the cc.
I have since gotten 100lbs of fine oolitic sand by E.S.V. I couldn't even guess
on the grain size but I would definitely say it is finer than sugar.
<excellent... I like the grain and brand just fine>
This is where I am totally stumped, it seems like everyone is in agreement here
in not having a DSB in a heavily stocked tank with messy eaters as mine.
<is it more challenging as much as I love DSB>
The label on the sand states it can provide denitrification in as little as 1.5
inch depth
<I disagree that this happens in many tanks... more often than not no>
but I fear this depth is too much for my tank. BTW tank mates are vol. lion,
wolf eel/Dottyback-not sure witch is the proper name, niger trigger, yellow
tang, Naso tang.
<the eel is the only one that will stir the pot too much>
Do you agree with removing the cc and going with the fine sand at a depth of a
1/2 inch or less?
<the 1/2 of sand is fine once you get the water flow adjusted or upgraded.
You should have enough flow so that detritus stays suspended and is carried to
the skimmer(s)>
If you guys agree with the sand should I first place the rock on bare bottom and
then pour sand around the rock or sand first then rock on top?
<that's how it would be done>
I currently have 90lbs Fiji rock, is it ok to add another 90lbs Kaelini rock or
just stick with another 90 lbs of Fiji?
<your call>
One more thing if I may? I have currently seen my ph rise from the 8.1/8.15 to
the 8.25 range or better just from aerating over night and mixing salt for a day
or two in advance.
<excellent>
Currently using the Kold Steril system and then I aerate the new water
overnight, it then reaches a ph of 8.35 and alk of 4.9DKH,
<very low alk>
I then add salt, no buffer and 24hrs later readings are ph 8.22-8.25, alk
16.8DKH.
I have the Kold Steril plumbed so that it could precede the tap water
purifier/DI to lower my alkalinity, could I just mix up 20 gal of the Kold
Steril water and then 20 gal of the Kold Steril water followed by the tap
water purifier DI and then I should be able to reconstitute the water to more
appropriate values?
<more appropriate for what?>
I have yet to use the twp with the Kold Steril but when I used just the twp I
was lucky to get 30 gallons and got sick of replacing them. I still have a
cartridge left over from about six months ago that was only used for about 5
gallons and it is still damp inside, is it safe to reuse this cartridge?
<yes>
Calcium after a water change is about 380 but I refuse to use any calcium
supplements until it reaches 350 for fear of this snow storming event I seen a
lot about since my alk is on the high side. I really value your guys advice,
thanks so much. Mike
<the alk is a bit high if it lingers long... but the Ca under 400 and the alk
slightly over 12dKH is fine and can continue if consistent through regular water
changes. Both levels should not me max high but one at a time is safe. best
regards, Anthony>
Alkalinity Measurement
Hello again,
I just did some water tests today: SG 1.025, Temp steady at 80F all day/every
day, Ammonia 0.0-0.1, Nitrate 10-20 (I think I'm color blind), Calcium 435, PH
8.4... The alkalinity test (Red Sea) can be read (according to the colors on the
box) as "very high" or about 3.2 meq/L...
<not "very high" if you are trying to grow corals. It is nicely
elevated but not too high>
isn't there another way to read this measurement? dKH or something like
that?
<indeed... several ways (ppm, dKH) but won't change the facts. Your ALK is
fine, my friend>
These tests (as are all my weekly/daily tests) were taken in the late
afternoon.
<fine... just be sure to test pH after a long dark period as well as
"high noon">
I tried to do a search using the Google engine on your site to try to figure out
the conversion formula, but it's close to midnight here in FL...I am tired,
physically, but my curiosity prevents me from falling asleep.
I have a 55g w/10 gallon sump, built in corner overflow, 2 sweeping power heads
on opposite ends of the tank near the mid water level outputs pointed up, AquaC
Urchin in sump (AWESOME SKIMMER!!!!
<agreed>
More than a cup of blackness every day), about 55lbs of LR (mix of mostly Fiji
and some Atlantic/gulf) been in less than a month (cured it myself), 220 watts
of PC lighting no more than 3 inches from the surface with a big noisy fan,
Chemipure (will also add use of Polyfilter on next carbon change), and probably
one or two other things I can't recall at this time of night.
<all very fine>
I do a 5 or ten gallon water change weekly using DI water, aerated overnight,
buffered overnight, then salt added, left overnight, tested until parameters
match my tank's.
<excellent>
I wouldn't have done any of these things (testing, regular water changes,
lighting, etc.) without the info from your site...thank you.
<our pleasure>
I have a yellow tang, Kole tang, 4 damsels, Astrea snails, and blue legged
hermits, 2 small serpent stars, one large green serpent (will trade this in once
I catch him), two small but growing fast unidentified crabs, a pink carnation
coral (hanging upside down in a small cave, about 8 inches from the sweeping
powerhead running full force), a small Acropora (tan with what looks like pink
or lavender tips...I'm so bad with colors) which is within the top 6 inches from
the surface and about 10 inches away from a sweeping power head running full
force, a small colony of yellow polyps, 2 flower anemones (will trade these in
soon) and one BTA (in tank for almost two months, has not settled down yet). The
fish have been there since November last year with last fish being Kole tang
added in June. All Live stock are well (except for BTA). I was wondering if my
alkalinity is too low? If so, do I just keep adding buffer until I get
to...what? 4.0 meq/L??
<good heavens no! Really... just relax and enjoy this hobby my friend. For
general maintenance, an ALK of 2.5-3 meq/l is fine>
I feel that my current parameters will hinder the growth of coralline.
<nope... consistent levels of calcium and ALK even if slightly low will grow
corallines jest fine. High but ire levels will impede. Again... enjoy your
hobby... this isn't work :) You seem to be well-read and in a systematic habit
with the tank... continue to do so: regular and reliable maintenance>
Am I worrying about nothing?
<big-time!>
Or is my calcium/alk ratio good? The shells of all my snails show growth...does
that count for something?
<yes... especially to the snails<G>>
My only commercial additives are a product called Oceans blend, a two part Ca/Alk,
and I dose Kent iodine once a week.
<with weekly water changes all sounds fine>
Please help or point me to link to understand this better. I've read thru the
calcium and alk articles, but will read again. Shout out to my peeps B.LOVE...keeping
it real all up in his 75-G reef, aw-ite!
Yo-Yo-Yo, Thanx,
Randy M. Yniguez, MA
<word up, my salty brother. Anthony>
Re: R.O. UNIT Question
Thanks for the advice! I am sure that you have saved me a couple hundred
dollars at least- I do appreciate your candor as well, I found it very
interesting to know that companies are outsourcing their manufacturing needs
which was something that I suspected anyways.
<Yes, very common on big, specialized items like RO units, fluorescent lamps,
etc. The equipment and processes to make such items is expensive and
particular.>
I love how they sell you a product like baking soda in a 35 dollar bottle called
"Super pH Upper" yeah right I checked the label and it's straight
sodium bicarbonate - I think that more hobbyists need to know about stuff like
this...
<I always like to see what is in the bottle. I tend to stay away from any
product that does not have a list of ingredients.>
PS - "Super PH Upper is a purely fictional product and any similarity to
any other product is purely coincidental and meant to illustrate the purpose of
this joke - thank you
<Nice disclaimer. -Steven Pro>
pH alk?
I have a few questions on pH and alk. I've seen in different books that dKH
should be between 7-10 and also 12-18. which is correct?
<8-12 dKH is safe and healthy IMO. Closer to 8 if you run a high calcium
level (over 425ppm). ALK over 12 dKH is dangerous (crystalline precip) and only
recommended for hardcore coral growers that test water daily and have many
scleractinians. Most people will have problems with such a high ALK in time>
my problem is... my dKH is 16-17. my calcium is low, like around 300.
<typical... neither can easily or safely be at the high/max end. Still... the
tank would be better off around 10dKH and 400ppm>
my pH is around 8.0-8.2, but will drop without the addition of SeaChem marine
buffer to 7.8ish within 48 hours.
<a lack of aeration (not circulation) may be indicated here (accumulated
CO2). Aerate a glass of aquarium water vigorously with an airstone and see if
the pH rises after 12 hours. If so... you have a CO2/aeration problem.>
how can I raise the pH without increasing the alk?
<Kalkwasser>
my alk is so high right now that I can't seem to increase the calcium without
clouding my tank.
<exactly... a crystalline precip. Do several large water changes to dilute
this imbalance then add Kalk and buffer as necessary>
also, why would the pH drop like that if the alk is high?
<many reasons... CO2 being one of them>
I have a 50g breeder w/ 50lbs LR, and few snails and hermits and some polyps. no
fish yet and I'm not
feeding anything. 20g sump w/ skimmer that needs to be emptied every 3rd day.
all other readings are where they should be. thanks, Neil
<best regards, Anthony>
Constantly low alk.
Hello, I have written to you a while ago and appreciated the help then. All
has been good with my tank until the last 4-6 weeks.
The tank is a reef, 72 gal with skimmer, live sand/rock and moderate to light
coral (all soft/mushrooms) and fish load. Tank is about 9 months old. Lighting
is 260 watts pc with bulbs just replaced 2 months ago.
I cannot keep my alkalinity above 2 mil/eq/litre. I have tried a couple of
different buffers (two little fishes 2 part system and Kent).
<FWIW... I have seen product tests that put ESV B-Ionic twp part mixes at the
top of the pack for efficacy and concentration>
I can get the alk up to about 2.5 but then within a day or two I am down to
about 1.5 if I don't add the maximum amounts recommended each day. Ph remains
about 8.2, which is a little low.
Everything else tests out ok. Nitrate/nitrite/ammonia is 0, phosphate is almost
undetectable, calcium stays about 400 ppm, temp 80.
<overall... reasonably good chemistry>
I did check for magnesium last month and found it was extremely low (800 ppm)
and have raised it since to about 1200-1300 ppm. I also was using marine
enterprises reef blend salt, but have since switched to reef crystals and did a
15 gal water change 2 weeks ago and will do another one this week with the new
salt.
<yes... a good move IMO. Even the regular Instant Ocean would be fine>
The only effects the tank/livestock show is a small amount of hair algae on one
rock, and the glass gets a green film within 2-3 days that needs wiped off. Back
of tank is covered with coralline algae. No fish or corals have really showed
anything, but I did have green polyps that have been noticeably better since
adding the magnesium.
Any ideas what to check for, or what would have caused this to be happening. I
was told elsewhere that the salt I was using was low in Mag. and therefore
switched. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance. M Koran
<the solution for you may be as simple as adding a small amount of Baking
soda daily to supplement the two part mixes until you get into the desired range
(then only two-part mix from then). Add slowly. 1 X may be good, but 2 X is not
necessarily better. And test concurrently to see that the bicarbonate is giving
desired results. If that doesn't work, I vote for several large water changes
with the new salt mix to dilute the system and return balance to the Ca? Alk
dynamic, then carry on with B-Ionic or a calcium reactor. Best regards,
Anthony>
Buffers
WWM Guys,
I am topping off and doing changes with RO water. Also, I use B-Ionic two-part
mix for calcium supplementation and Instant Ocean to keep SG at 1.025, pH is
8.4. How would you recommend I buffer my RO water? I tried using baking soda and
it precipitated out when I added Instant Ocean. Why did this occur?
<You added too much buffer. The salt mix has buffering compounds, too, and
with what you put in first, the pH got too high and drove the calcium to
precipitate out of solution. I prefer to buffer my water after adding the salt.
I aerate and heat the water first for a day. The add the salt mix and mix for
another day. Lastly, I test the salt water for salinity, pH, and alkalinity and
buffer according to the results of my tests. If you wish to buffer before adding
the salt, only add enough buffering compounds to bring your raw RO water to a
neutral pH.>
I am interested in raising my calcium to 450 from 350 ppm. I have good coralline
growth and tolerable slow growth in my SPS/LPS corals. Perhaps I could cut back
on the Bionic I use if I buffered my water?
<Perhaps, on use a calcium reactor to really accelerate growth. That is, if
you have a large enough tank. I would find it hard to justify the expense if you
told me you had a 29 gallon mini-reef. If 75 gallons or more, the money you save
on supplements will outweigh the initial cost in a few years.>
What should I use for this?
<I think Seachem products, Marine Buffer and Reef Builder, but there are
other fine products. Aquarium Systems SeaBuffer is also nice. -Steven Pro>
Re: Calcium and Alkalinity
You said ... part A... is typically sodium bicarbonate - baking soda.
<<Well - typically... I was looking at my bottle of ESV.>> I checked
and the contents are deionized water, calcium salts, and trace minerals. Part B
says deionized water, sulfate, bicarbonate, carbonate, and borate salts. So I
should use B instead of A. to bring up the Alkalinity. <<Interesting...
their parts are just the opposite of the ESV which requires that one put the
buffer in first. Couldn't imagine it would be practical to empty one bottle
before the other. You can actually use regular Arm & Hammer baking soda to
boost the buffers in addition to the regular two-part doses. Cheers, J --
>>
Question on Carbonate Hardness (KH)
I have a Hagen (KH) test kit and it says the ideal range for saltwater is
105 - 125 mg/l. I have been reading through the FAQ and you all say 11-12 dKH is
good. Is there a way to take my numbers and turn them into the dKH numbers?
<Shawn... my apologies, but we are burring through queries today and I do not
remember the conversion of the top of my head. Please refer to the instructions
with the kit. Most manufacturers have conversions listed for meq/l, ppm and dKH.
If not, let me suggest/trouble you to run it down on a keyword search on Google
("Hardness conversion")>
Alkalinity and pH Problems
Hello Bob and Co.,
Bob and Anthony; I have CMA and the Book of Coral Prop. Both are great, thanks.
Now onto my problem. I have an 8 gallon reef tank, LR, sand, and a sump with
some sand and LR as well. Total water volume is approx. 10 gallons. I have 2
tomato clowns, 2 cleaner shrimp, one pistol shrimp, one emerald crab, one sand
stirring star,
<Tank is far too small for this starfish. <<Or the Clowns. RMF>> Will starve to death in time after
eating all the live parts of your livesand.>
a few blue leg hermits, and a few snails. I also have one Capnella, some brown
button polyps, anthelia, and some green star polyps. The tank has been set up
for almost two years, however it was changed from a crushed coral substrate to
live sand about 4 months ago. There is a Seaclone skimmer hanging on the sump,
and an airstone in the sump (the airstone is a new addition). I have two 36watt
PC's (one 6300K and one blue) from AH supply. About a month ago I started having
a lower than normal pH. I was typically running between 8.0 and 8.1. I wanted to
raise that up to an average 8.2 so I added the airstone in the sump. About the
time I added the airstone, pH readings were down to about 7.8. I cut back on my
calcium supplements and tested a few days later and pH was down to about 7.7.
Calcium levels were higher with each test, now at about 500ppm. I stopped adding
calcium at this point. At the first sign of the lowering pH, I started using
NatuReef's hardness plus and alkalinity plus. I felt that a balanced two part
additive may help. After my pH reached 7.7, I stopped adding the hardness plus
and have only been adding the alk. plus. I should also mention that I did a
water change with day old, aerated water (4 gallons over two days). Alkalinity
before I started the water changes was 9dKH. After each water change, and an
addition of alk. plus, alkalinity has not changed. It is still at 9dKH. Oh by
the way, my Mg was low at the time pH was discovered to be low, hence the water
changes. I have also added some Mg additive. Why, with a significant water
change, addition of a buffer and Mg has my alkalinity not been coming up?
<Are you sure that your new water has the parameters you want?>
I tested alk this morning; 8dKH. Added two ml of buffer about two hours ago.
Just now tested alk again; still 8dKH.
<Do make up more water as before; aerated, heated and such. This time confirm
that the pH, alkalinity, calcium, and magnesium levels of this new water is in
the ranges you want. -Steven Pro>
Confused in Florida, Mark (spearo) Joseph
Buffer Brands
Bob:
<Steven Pro filling in while Bob prepares to travel to Pittsburgh.>
One more thing I promise. What brand of buffer(s) do you recommend I use on my
top off water storage?
<I prefer Seachem's Reef Builder and Marine Buffer. Aquarium Systems
Seabuffer is also good.>
Thanks again your a savior! Jim from FL
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
High Alkalinity & Calcium
Hello,
My alkalinity and calcium seem quite high for my FOWLR tank, yet my pH stays
rather low. Alkalinity is 5 meq/L, calcium is 450, and pH ranges from 8.0 to
8.2.
<These are all fine.>
Are these numbers anything to be concerned about?
<No, not really. As long as they all stay consistent.>
What is the best way to get my pH up without getting my alkalinity and calcium
any higher?
<Aggressive protein skimming to remove dissolved organics that affect pH.>
I've added quite a bit of Macroalgae and that has helped somewhat.
<Yes, helps in several ways; taking up the dissolved organics mentioned above
and also consuming CO2 during the daytime.>
Thanks for your input. Chip
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
High Alkalinity & Calcium III
Steven,
Thanks again for the reply. Okay, so how do I increase the pH without raising
the alkalinity and calcium?
<Water changes, protein skimming, activated carbon, etc.>
And is the 8.4 you suggested the LOWEST the pH should go? -Chip
<About average, anywhere between 8.2-8.6 depending on time of day,
supplements used, lighting, photosynthetic animals, etc. -Steven Pro>
Re: High Alkalinity & Calcium
Steven,
Thanks for the reply. As a follow-up, my AquaC skimmer (only 4 weeks old)
occasionally goes on 'strike' for two days or more after a water change and
after I've had my hands in the tank. Is it normal for it to go this long without
skimming?
<Yes, it is disrupted briefly.>
It eventually resumes, but it just seems to take a while. Also, I will be
putting a raccoon butterfly in this tank. I've read on WWM that they like higher
pH and salinity. My salinity is currently 1.023. Should I increase it for the
butterfly? Is my pH (8.0-8.2) okay?
<I would increase both to natural seawater conditions; 1.025 and 8.4>
Thanks again, Chip
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
Calcium/dKH levels
Hey guys,
First off, let me start with the obligatory 'great site' comment. I'm relatively
new to the hobby and have enjoyed your site and found it rather useful! Huge
amounts of info in one place - what a treat!
Now for my problem - I recently got my reef tank going - cured the live rock for
4 weeks, and have had the tank up for another 4 weeks. 4 weeks ago I did a 100%
water change, and another 50% water change 2 weeks ago.
<Why the large water changes? Not that I am against them. I have had reason
to perform such large changes before.>
I was wondering if you had any thoughts on why my Calcium and dKH readings are
so low (see below). I've been through the faq's on these, and I've found info on
how to raise or maintain levels using reactors/Kalk/2-part additives, but can't
figure out what can cause them to be low. I'm using RO/De-Ionized bottled water,
<And aerating or circulating it for a day? Or using it straight out of the
bottle? Please aerate/circulate prior to use. Many FAQ's are filled by Q&A's
on the subject.>
so I can see that I'd lose a little Ca there, but shouldn't there be enough Ca
and buffer in the salt mix (Instant Ocean) that after two weeks these levels
shouldn't be so low? I'd prefer to maintain the levels through routine water
changes, but if I need to dose, then I need to dose - but I'm worried there may
be some cause for the low levels that I can remedy rather than having to dose. I
have a 20 gallon tank with a pseudo ecostyle/CPR DIY HOT refugium with grape
Caulerpa, spaghetti grass and some red algae (Gracilaria tikvahiae) & Kent
bio-sediment (4inches). I'm also running an Aqua-C Remora skimmer & carbon
and have 2-36W power compacts - 1 actinic, 1 6500k (12 hr photo-period with
refugium on an alternating/overlapping 14hr cycle). There is 25lbs live rock, 1
Percula clown, 1 yellow watchman goby, a cleaner shrimp, a BTA, and various
polyp/soft-coral/mushroom cuttings in the tanks (not to mention various snails
and hermit crabs) Water parameters are as follows:
Salinity - 1.021 @ 80 degrees
Temperature - 80 degrees
pH - 8.3
Alkalinity - dKH = 6
Calcium - 250
Ammonia - nada
Nitrite - nada
Nitrate - 2.5ppm
All water quality parameters tested using Red Sea test kits. While I have you on
the line - let me through one more question your way - there are a couple of
dead spots (low flow presumably leading to low oxygen) in my refugium where some
Cyanobacteria have sprung up - I've siphoned it out, and was hoping that the
other algae would out compete the Cyano for nutrients, but I'm not holding my
breath. Short of cranking up the flow (running a Rio 600 right now) through the
refugium, are there any other things I can do about this?
<Take a lot at the extensive FAQ's on Cyanobacteria.>
Thanks for your response and a great site-Matt
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
Calcium, Alk, & Coralline Algae
now that I have figured out kH and was given good info on what to do on how to
keep my calcium levels up. I had a question on coralline algae, my tank has been
set up for a little over a year when I started the coralline grew like crazy but
now it has started to turn white and now to a green color. I have been testing
my calcium now for about 2 weeks. when I started it was about 280 ppm I have
gotten it up to 320 these past 2 weeks but have had no color changes is this
just a problem that will right itself when I achieve 400-450 ppm?
<Yes, given all other conditions appropriate; lighting, nutrients, etc.>
parameters
55 gallon long tank
330 watts pc lighting 110 watts 50-50 110 watts 10 k 110 9650k
ph 8.2
ammonia 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 0
calcium 320 ppm
kH 10.64meq/l
sg 1.023
temp 79 degrees f
still haven't found a alk. test kit
<Salifert makes a nice, affordable kit. What a minute! How do you know what
you KH is? Alkalinity is measured in two scales. One is German degrees of
hardness, dKH, the other is milliequivalents per liter, meq/l.>
Skilter need a real skimmer
2 power heads
<Everything sounds ok. Calcium and alkalinity need to come up, but you know
that.>
inhabitants
rose anemone 1 now gave one to friend
maroon clown above buddy
button polyps two colonies
pagoda coral
yellow star polyps
encrusting gorgonian
red tube worm colony
8 different color zoanthids
2 large candies 2 small candies
pom-pom xenias 5 colonies
long tactical Xenia getting big
branching hammer large
branching hammer frag
branching frogspawn 1 green 1 brown
flower pot 1 pink 1 tan
Nephthea
branching torch
4 large star colonies
3 colony pipe organ started with 1
medium cabbage was the size of the tip of my little finger
Galaxea 4 colonies
rose leather
red moon?
toad stool leather
mushroom leather
bubble
octo bubble
sun coral
cloves
daisies
10 Christmas tree worms
2 serpent star fish
1 Scopas tang
multiple crabs {hermit}
multiple snails
and a partridge in a pear tree
<Wow, that is a pretty well packed 55. -Steven Pro>
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