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FAQs on Marine Alkalinity Troubleshooting/Fixing
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that go into understanding and manipulating alkalinity...
When/where in doubt "do" nothing, but read |
Alkalinity too high 6/25/08
Hi crew,
<Hello!>
I am sorry if this is a repeat but I read and read and couldn't make sense in my
head.
<That you tried is more than enough! Many thanks!>
My alkalinity is 4.5mEq/L and my PH is 8.0 I also have the white powder
(precipitate) on my substrate and pretty much everywhere. In my reading I saw
the precipitate is very bad so I quit reading and asked the question what do I
do. How do I get rid of the precipitate.
Will dissolve, settle out with time, so long as more isn't created.>
I created this problem by doing a water change with tap water, conditioner,
Oceanic salt, and Marine buffer.
<There's the problem: If your tap water is like the rest of the worlds', it is
fairly hard. Salt mix has buffers, and you added more. This was just a
high-calcium, high-alkalinity soup. I'd recommend testing your tap water before
you use it again, and keeping an eye on your mixed salt to see if buffering it
really is necessary.>
My ammonia and Nitrates were high so I did the water change and now they are
back to 0 but I have this problem. My tank is a 57 gallon tall, Aqua Clear 70
filter, heater set at 77F, about 10 pounds of live rock, two seahorses, a skunk
cleaner, one harlequin shrimp, two chocolate chip sea
stars (one being eaten and one in the refugium for later), one feather duster, a
toadstool leather coral, and several hermit crabs and snails. My tests are
Ammonia-0, Nitite-10, Nitrate-0, PH-8.0. Any help would be so appreciated.
<How long has this aquarium been running? If you have ammonia and nitrite there
should not be livestock in the tank! Nitrogen cycling needs to be established
before stocking.>
I have only been doing the aquarium for 4 months and this is my first bump in
the road.
<Read up on wetwebmedia.com re salt water mixing, do water changes as
recommended. Problem will correct. Benjamin>
Consistently High dKH In My
Nano Reef Tank – 06/02/08
Hi crew :D
<<Howdy Carolyn>>
Sorry to keep emailing with questions, but your advice is just so darn good!
<<Okay…flattery “will” get you somewhere>>
Am slightly concerned about the dKH level in my reef tank – it’s consistently
reading around 14-14.4 using the Salifert dKH/alkalinity profi test.
<<Mmm…a bit high, yes…but do verify with a new/another brand test kit>>
Calcium is 400ppm, so I don't want to risk messing with the chemistry too
much...
<<I would allow this to fall a bit>>
What I need to know is if this high dKH will be a problem in the long run?
<<It is not likely to have a malaffect on your tanks inhabitants of its own, but
along with the high Calcium load, you may be running the risk of a precipitous
event…and this “would” be a problem for your tanks inhabitants>>
I live in an area with very hard water (so high pH anyway, DI/RO doesn't seem to
get it down), and as it’s a nano I do frequent small water changes (approx. 5%
volume every other day)...
<<Mmm, these frequent additions are probably a big part of the Alkalinity
problem…especially in a very small volume of water. Aside from the fact that
newly mixed saltwater is irritating to marine life (the every-other-day
additions are probably very annoying to your tank inhabitants), the frequent
additions of this still chemically active medium is not allowing your tank to
find its own chemical balance. I would suggest you reduce the water changes to
no more than 5% every two weeks…give this a try for a while and see how things
go>>
Thanks for your help in advance :D,
Carolyn
<<Happy to assist. EricR>>
Re: Consistently High dKH In My Nano Reef
Tank - 06/02/08
Thanks Eric :D,
<<Quite welcome, Carolyn>>
As usual, very helpful answer!
<<Ah…am pleased you think so>>
The only reason for the many many water changes is that there was a bit of a
crash a week ago which lost us two fish and a shrimp :(
<<I see>>
The tanks only 70l, and the skimmer broke overnight, nitrite peaked... end
result sadly inevitable.
<<Mmm, I would expect the loss of the skimmer through the night to be more of an
issue with lessened oxygen content…not a resultant “spike” in Nitrite. I think
there may be other factors involved>>
Nitrite now 0.15-0.2ppm, testing daily
<<As a result of not having the skimmer running? Strange… Is this a new (too
new) tank? Another possibility is the Nitrite is being introduced through your
salt mix and/or make-up water>>
(ammonia 0ppm, nitrate 5-10ppm)…will keep a close eye on things and limit water
changes as recommended... On behalf of all my aquatic beasties many thanks!
<<Unless this tank is grossly overstocked, I think there are other factors at
play here other than a broken skimmer…as already mentioned. Do make sure the
Nitrite is not being introduced from a source outside the tank. Regards, Eric
Russell>>
Dropping KH in Marine Tank 4/23/08
Hey there, I have a 55G Salt tank, with fish, inverts and some soft corals. Tank
has been running for a year and a half now, and everything has been going pretty
good considering this is my first attempt at keeping a salt tank. I have noticed
lately though that my KH has dropped.........it has been reading between 6 & 7
the past couple months. I started adding Kent's DKH Buffer, and it is not
helping. My calcium was reading 300-320,and I was adding Seachem Reef Complete
<I'd ditch the Kent's product and look into SeaChem's line instead... better,
more complementary>
to get the calcium numbers up above 400 as I was thinking about getting a clam
for the tank. Now everything has been put on hold until I figure out what's up.
Could adding the extra calcium be bring my KH down?
<Mmm, possibly>
I read that it possible that my Magnesium may be low? I have a Mag test kit &
Mag additive on the way just in case.
<A good idea to check>
Also, I was battling nitrates for a long time, but since installing new lights &
adding a HOB fuge the nitrates have dropped to 0. Could the new growth on my
soft corals (and algae), also cause a KH drop?
<Of a certainty, yes. This is the most likely "source" here>
Appreciate it very much if you could help me out. Regards Eric
<Do take a re-read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/xeniidarts.htm
scroll down to the sections/tray on biomineral, alkalinity... Bob Fenner>
pH Buffer, Burned Livestock,
Marine 4/13/08
I have a BIOCUBE 14 system with a few live rocks, two clown fish, one six
line wrasse, a banded coral shrimp, two red leg crabs and two snails. I also
have a daisy polyp colony (purple with green dot) and a green mushroom coral.
<OK, plenty of fish for this tank, stop here!>
I was checking water parameters, Ammonia 0, nitrite 0 nitrate 0, phosphate 0
alkalinity 3.5 and ph 8.0. I wanted to boost the PH a bit and added Seachem ph
buffer, 2 little spoonfuls as per directions.
<OK>
I simply sprinkled it on the water surface.
10 minutes later, I observed that my daisy polyps had closed completely, my
mushroom corals were secreting mucus ands areas of red coralline began to turn
orange......did I do something wrong??? Ken
<Hmm, yes. Directions state one tablespoon per 20 gal., necessitating at most
two teaspoons for your system, once the rock is accounted for. The directions
also state to mix with freshwater then add to your tank. This is your error. By
not mixing first, the granules fell onto your livestock, essentially giving them
a chemical burn. Give it time, the livestock you list are fairly resilient. Good
luck, Scott V.>
KH Issues 3/26/08
Hi, thanks for taking time to read this in advance.
<Hello, you are welcome.>
I have a 75 gallon reef tank mostly soft coral under 310 watts VHO actinic, and
300 Watts 10k Metal Halide lighting. Tank is doing great and I recently added a
Aqua-c calcium reactor. My problem is that my KH is actually decreasing, along
with ph.
<Not good.>
Currently it is too low at 7KH and calcium at 380ppm. Ph has steadily decreased
over last week in the tank to about 7.9 with pinpoint probe. I stopped using the
reactor and went back to Kalkwasser drip for now as things were getting
dangerously out of whack.
<It is good to have this to fall back on.>
I have laboriously tested the ph and KH of effluent and experimented with the
CO2 bubble rate. Currently from what I have read mostly on this website is that
you want KH of effluent around 16 and ph about 6.8.
<The PH is fine, the effluent KH can possibly be higher, it is not set in
stone.>
The calcium level in the tank is remaining constant. Always about 380ppm or so.
I am not dosing any other product at all with reactor use. Not sure what could
be causing the KH to decrease. Is it more likely I am somehow depressing the KH
with addition of too rich an effluent (some kind or over
saturation/precipitation) or that I am just not getting rich enough effluent for
the growth in the tank?
<Likely the latter.>
Also I have noticed that you don’t like the CaribSea ARM product which I use.
Just ordered some Knop Korallith.
<A better way to go in my opinion.>
I will use that product from now on. Maybe my results are from the inconsistency
of the ARM media.
<The media can certainly make a difference.>
What is your take on all this mess? My ph problem is also of concern, I tried
running effluent through my protein skimmer to "blow off" the co2. Perhaps that
also contributed to depressing the KH by precipitating out the calcium
carbonate. I’d like to think I should be able to achieve 400pmm calcium, 10 DKH
and about 8.0-8.2 on my ph with this reactor.
<You should.>
Just need some advice before I proceed to crash my tank with it. Thanks for your
help.
<You may want to consider adding an Alkalinity additive to get your numbers
balanced, then tune the reactor to keep them there. Also, be sure to test your
Magnesium level in your tank, low Mg can make it tough to achieve the proper KH.
I would work out the KH issue and then check your PH, go from there. Welcome,
good luck, Scott V.>
Water Chemistry Help!
Mg... KH interaction, fixing 3/15/08
Good Day Crew!!
<Hello again.>
As suggested we bought a magnesium test kit and tested our magnesium...it was
around 1000 yesterday and I’m not sure if I am just having a hard time
understanding or reading the directions on the tech-m bottle from Kent, but it
says " test magnesium in aquarium, then add tech-m at the rate of 1ml per gallon
aquarium capacity per day to bring the level to between 1250-1350ppm, this will
raise the level by 18.3 ppm per day”. Fine...so does that really mean that for
my 180gal I have to add 180ml? Seems like A LOT....?!
<Yes, one ml per gallon is correct as per Kent’s directions, it does take quite
a bit of this product to get the magnesium up to an acceptable level, less of it
to keep it there.>
Not sure, anyways I only had 70ml left so I put it in slowly yesterday (around
1:30pm) our levels were: dKH 14,phosphates 0, nitrates 30 (water changes needed
more frequently to lower right?),
<Yes, to aid the reduction of KH also.>
calcium 360, magnesium 1000, ph 8.2, total Alk 5.5 mEq/l.
<Test your mixed up water for these levels also to be sure the levels are more
balanced (lower KH, higher Ca and Mg).>
After I tested I added the equiv of 100gal of the tropic marine calcium powder,
topped up my sump ( right now its just tap water but we have an R.O unit...is
going to be installed when we move in 1.5 months) added the 70ml of magnesium
and that’s it.
<Test your tap water for nitrate also, if it is the source then water changes
will do you no good in that regard.>
This morning around 10:30am I tested again... magnesium 1000, total Alk 5meq/l,
calcium 340ppm, dKH 16, nitrates 30ppm, ph 8.2 and then changed to 8.1 by the
end of testing.
This morning I fed the tank some Cyclops, rotifers, brine shrimp (all 3 of those
mentioned were frozen) and a small amount of phyto (bottled).
Any suggestions to make things equal out?
<You need some water changes to bring down the KH. With a good quality salt this
should also raise you Ca a bit, as well as Mg. Do test your makeup water, I do
suspect the tap water could be making your KH numbers so high.>
I’m having a hard time interpreting the results, kind of late but we're just
really starting to get into the testing and real understanding of water
chemistry..... and yes, the purple up is gone!!!
<Great! Keep reading and testing, you will get the hang of things with vigilance
and time/experience. You are not too far off here. The magnesium definitely
needs to come up, 1250 or a bit more. Also, bring your KH down, as well as the
nitrate. Good luck, Scott V.>
High Alk -01/30/2008
Hi,
Your website is so resourceful; I should thank you guys for all the efforts.
I am sure you should have heard this question quite a few times. I also saw it
in your website, but just wonder if my situation is different.
My alk is at 13 DKH, Ph at 8.1. My Ca is 400-450PPM. I add Seachem Total to
raise Calcium.
<What is "Seachem Total? Does it have an alk booster with the calcium? If so,
switch from this to a calcium supplement without alk booster (such as calcium
chloride).>
I need to reduce my alk. Is there an easier way to do this?
<Maintain your calcium without adding to the alk, and just wait...>
the other answers but I am not able to add Ph buffer because it keeps raising my
Alkalinity.
<So stop adding the Ph buffer.>
Also my PS (ASM G1) is skimming more or looses it sometimes. Is it because of
the Ca that I am adding through Seachem? Because they were a problem with the
AquaC products. Why would my PS overflow from time to time?
<It happens... water protein composition/concentration can vary at different
times.>
The only thing that I added extra from the time it was working normal to the
time it started to overflow is ass Seachem Total to raise Ca. Is that the reason
or just my luck?
<A calcium/alk supplement is very unlikely to affect your skimmer.>
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Kash
<Best,
Sara M.>
High Alkalinity 1/16/07
Hi,
<Hello Kash.>
This is my first question to WWM.
<Welcome to WWM.>
I had a 60G before and I moved to a 90G with 10-15G sump (water level). After
moving I had to get some salt water from my LFS who uses tropical marin salt.
After everything I took a reading of my Ph, Alk, CA after a week's operation. I
added some Right now Bacteria. So I didn't use a skimmer for a week. Ph was
falling 7.6 to 7.8, Alk was at 16dkh and Ca was at 400PPM.
Ammonia and series were 0. Phosphate was low. I read online and thought there
could be a lot of CO2 in my system and so I turned on my skimmer (ASM) and
removed the collection cup. The aeration was left for 3 hours and my Ph came
back to normal. 8.0 to 8.2.
<OK>
The system has been running for a week and the skimmate was high for the first
week which is expected.
<Yes.>
But the Alk is still at 16dkh and Ca is at 400-450PPM. Can I do something to get
this Alk back to normal condition?
<You can wait it out, supplementing the Ca as the alkalinity comes down. The
better choice would be water changes to bring your levels back to normal. Do
test the alkalinity of your make up water, it should not be that high without
adding additional supplements. Good luck, Scott V.>
Regards,
Kash
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Acro ID... and high
alk. -12/26/07
Good Morning team. Pierre here.
<Hi, Sara here.>
Just obtained some nice Christmas frags and wanted your help in
identifying one of them. Here are two pictures. The second shows it in
better focus in the upper left corner of the monti.
<I'm sorry, there's no way I could ID these corals without a very good,
close up picture of the bare coral skeleton. Sorry, that's just the way
it is with most Acropora family coral IDs.>
Also wanting my Acros to color up a little better but fear my carbonate
hardness may be wreaking havoc.
<Don't worry so much about color right now, worry about polyp extension
and overall health. Coral colors can change, but we still don't know
exactly why or how enough to intelligently try and consistently induce
one color over another.>
I've been trying to bring it down doing weekly water changes with
Instant Ocean mix, but the fresh mixed water's alkalinity is high (over
10dKH) when I test it.
<Why aren't you using RO/DI water?>
Fresh water is mixed and circulated for 24hrs before change is
performed. I tried bringing it down using the club soda/seltzer water
method but it didn't seem to work. Any ideas?
<Hmm... this is one reason why most all reef aquarists use RO/DI
filtered (or distilled) fresh water to start with.>
The tank is 125 gallons with a 55 gallon tank as a sump that houses my
skimmer, which flows
through a bubble trap into my refugium (which is on a reverse light
cycle), then into my return. Lighting is 2- 400 watt 20k Hamilton Metal
Halides placed about 10" above the water's surface. Temp control is with
a 1/3 hp Current Prime chiller. Here are my parameters.
ph 8.4 day/ 8.2 night
alkalinity 12 dKH
magnesium 1500 ppm
calcium 400 ppm
nitrites 0
nitrates 0
I also don't have a lot of fish so my nitrate stays undetectable, could
this also be leading to the lack of color from my Acros?
<Hmm, no, as far as I know, most Acropora sp. we get for the hobby
prefer low nutrient environments.>
My tank has been set up and running and most of the coral added since
April of this year.
<Usually, it's recommended you wait at least a year before attempting to
keep Acropora sp. coral, but that's not a hard rule and I guess you're
close enough.>
I also have some beautiful Monti Capricornis and Pocillopora Damicornis
which are colored nicely. Circulation is provided by my return head Rio
2500+, with head pressure running around 400gph and an in tank Rio 2100.
Growth from all species is decent but not stunning.
<Please feel encouraged to search the site for more detailed information
on how to best care for all these animals.>
Thanks crew. Look forward to your answer.
<Best,
Sara M.>
Re: Acro ID 12/26/07
Thanks for your reply Sara. I did forget to tell you that all my top off
and water changes are made using RO/DI water from my own home system.
<Huh... that's odd. RO/DI water should be nearly pure and not have any
alkalinity to speak of.>
I also have a TDS meter that monitors the output. All the cartridges and
filters are less than a month old. I also dose Kalk with my top off
although I've cut down on the amount while trying to fix my alkalinity
issue.
<Ok, that should help.>
I've also noticed lately that the Instant Ocean mix has been rendering a
high alkalinity. I'm at a loss trying to get these numbers back down to
normal.
<Hmm... if you suspect the salt mix, maybe try a different one. Instant
Ocean, is notoriously inconsistent. One bag might be great, the next
maybe not so much. In fact, you might even just try getting a different
bag of Instant Ocean. Or better yet, have you tried Reef Crystals? It's
made by the same company as IO, but it's formulated a little better for
reef tanks.>
The alkalinity test I'm using is a Salifert and I've tested it on
completely fresh RO/DI water and it reacts immediately reading 0 dKH.
<Oh, I'm sorry, in the previous email I thought you were saying that
your freshwater was starting out at 10dKH (which just didn't make any
sense). Sorry about that... so, now I would especially suspect your salt
mix.>
The tank itself has been set up for over two years. At that point I had
minimal PC lighting (384 watts) and was just housing some soft corals
and mushrooms. I've just started keeping SPS and LPS since April when I
had the metal halide lighting situated. I'll wait for the corals to seek
their own ground with coloring.
<Good idea... if you want my personal opinion, I suspect that feeding
also affects coloration (perhaps as much, if not more so, than
lighting).>
Should I not waste any more time with the club soda method to try to
bring my alkalinity down?
<Yes, I'd stop that for now and try switching salt mixes. Do water
changes with half old and half new salt first though (to "acclimate" to
the new mix). See if that doesn't help.>
Polyp extension has been very good with lights on or off. Thanks again.
You ladies/gents are fantastic and I love the site.
<Thank you :-)
Best,
Sara M.> |
pH woes, need a calcium
reactor adjustment? -12/14/07
Hi guys,
This is my first time asking you questions, so I hope I haven't overlooked the
answer in the research I've already done. If that's the case, then I apologize.
<Apology accepted :)>
Right then, here we go.........
At work, I'm in charge of our coral system. I'm having some trouble with a low
pH and have officially ran out of ideas! I'll try and give you as much info as I
can.
The total system volume is 1500 litres, and because of the position of it, it's
basically set up as you would have a reef system at home (weir at one end, sump
within the stand underneath). The tank itself has approx 200kg of live rock with
the corals on colour coded stands amongst the rock.
The sump contains some fine filter wool to remove particulate matter, a bag of
UltraLith, aqua C protein skimmer, phosphate reactor, and calcium reactor.
<The calcium reactor might be the problem (or part of the problem). Try
adjusting the CO2 flow rate. Please see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcreactors.htm>
I'm in the process of organizing Miracle Mud in there too.
Over the last week or so I've got some fairly constant (as constant as you can
get using additives!) water chemistry.
S.G.: 1.025
NH3: 0
N02: 0
N03: <5
dKH: 11
P04: <0.03
Ca: 450
Mg: 1375
Now forgive me if I'm wrong (hopefully I'm not!), but I would expect a
reasonably good pH with those results,
<Huh? Why? You can have all those same parameters within pH range.>
yet when I come in in the mornings the pH is around 7.95, rising up too about
8.05 at the end of the lighting period when I go home again.
Do you think it could be any of the following?
a) the fact that there is no sandy substrate in the tank,
<nope>
b) lack of water movement
<This is a possible cause if consequently you have poor aeration.>
c) lack of other inhabitants (fishes, etc.)
<The opposite would be more likely-- if you had too many inhabitants, that could
raise CO2 which can drop pH.>
Thanks in advance!
<Adjust your calcium reactor (carefully!) and see what happens...>
R.B.
<Good luck,
Sara M.>
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pH And Alkalinity 10/22/07
Hi,
<Hello>
I was wondering how my pH could be low and my alkalinity could be really high?
Also, do these numbers effect <affect> fish? Starfish? What about hermit crabs
and turbo snails?
<It can affect fish, and especially starfish. Read here and linked files above
for a better understanding of pH and alkalinity.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marphalk.htm
James (Salty Dog)>
Re: ph and alkalinity
10/23/07
Thanks for the link.
<You're welcome.>
I'm still unsure if a really high alkalinity is harmful if the pH is
good. If so, how can I bring down the alkalinity while maintaining the
good ph?
<You do not say what your alkalinity really is. What's too high, what is
the reading from your test kit?
James (Salty Dog)>
Re: pH And Alkalinity
10/23/07
I'm new to the whole thing, but I think it is 9 meg/l. The high end
was supposed to be 4-5 meg/l.
<Wowsie, something has to be wrong with the test kit or test methods as
this relates to about 25 dkH.
Have you added any alkalinity buffers in this system? Do read the
instructions for the test kit and make sure you didn't add too much/too
little of the reagent, make sure the test was done properly. James
(Salty Dog)> |
Mr Alkalinity.. the trickster
10/19/07
Good afternoon crew :-)
<Good morrow to you Dunne>
I was hoping you could shed some light on this. I do not have an issue just a
topic I am not completely understanding.
<Okay>
I have a 75 gallon tank with mostly softies and a couple LPS. My calcium is
constantly at 450ppm daily and decreases very slowly. My Alk however each day
drops from 9.6dkh to about 8.5 dKH daily.
<Measured about the same time of day? You are aware of the effects of lowered
DO, higher CO2, the cessation of photosynthesis, continuous respiration?>
Each night, when I add top off water, I add buff and bring the tank back to 9.6.
<Mmm, I would not do this nightly>
I do weekly water changed and my new water has an alk of 8.6dkh. I add buff to
the new water, aerate for 24-48 hrs and proceed with water change
I have solid coralline growth, which tells me I am doing ok with my parameters.
I know there is a unique bond
<Not unique>
between calc and alk and proportionately with a 20ppm drop in calc there should
be around a 1meq/l drop in alk.
<Generally something like this, but not necessarily, no>
My alk seems to drop but my calcium stays the same.
Other then the coralline and inverts calcium consuming life is minimal.
I do not see any precipitate.
A calcium reactor is a great tool to stabilize Alk however I do not need to add
calcium to the system. Are there systems used to only stabilize alk?
<Mmm, yes... means of adding, boosting alkalinity... the addition of carbonates,
bicarbonates mostly... Like you're doing... but...>
I was thinking maybe automating the top off and drip about a gallon each day.
Dunne
<Try it and see... I don't think you will have trouble in any case. Bob Fenner>
Re: Mr Alkalinity.. the
trickster 10/19/07
Thank you for your response!!!
<Welcome>
I have read about the effects of DO and C02. I have a Salifert DO test kit
coming in the mail today, ordered last week.. along with a refractometer... Cant
wait!! This was my first thought and immediately ordered the kit.
If you don't mind why is it bad to add the water in the evening?
<Not the water, the buffer on a daily basis... if this is part of the make-up
water... no worries>
I'm clearly wrong and would like to fix it asp.
<Mmm, not so sure there is really much to "fix" here>
Thank you for pointing out. My thought process was if my Alk is dropping through
the day and at its lowest in the evening my PH may have a larger variance with
the low Alk at night when the lights go out.
<Yes... of a certainty>
I should clarify that by evening I mean roughly 5ish in the afternoon.
The lights are still on. They go out at 8pm.
<I see. BobF>
Lowering alk? 3/23/07
Hello guys,
I've spent many evenings reading through your FAQs. Found a wealth of
information including ways to help raise alk, but I haven't found any thing
about lowering it.
<Mmm...>
It seems that I have an unusual problem. I first started testing the alk
about 2 1/2 months ago. At that time it was over 18 dKH. It is slowly coming
down on it's own.
<As it will>
Very slowly. Still at about 15. I know that you say the desired range is
around 8 - 12, and beyond that I've been told that the lower end of that range
tends to be better for SPS,
<Mmmm... disagree. Best balanced with biomineral content, other factors>
(which I do have) so I just wanted to see if you have any suggestions of ways to
help bring that down a little faster.
Thank you
Roger
<Best accomplished through regular water changes with water of lower alkaline
content... And do "check the checker" (your test kit) here... just to be sure.
Bob Fenner>
High Calcium and Suspect Salt Mix – 03/15/07
I have been battling high calcium 550 to 650 for the past month doing
constant water changes but seeing no drop.
<<Mmm, have you validated the accuracy of the test kit? Perhaps trying a fresh
kit and/or different brand (Salifert, Seachem, Hach)>>
Noticed my toadstool, zoanthids, and 4 week old xenia slowly shrivel up over
last week. I couldn't understand with a ph of 8.4, dKH 10, nitrates .10, alk
(now I can't remember, but I do remember it was a good range),
<<dKH is your alkalinity reading. The acceptable range is generally 8 – 10 dKH,
though with your calcium level you are better of letting this drop to 7- 8 until
you can identify the problem and make corrections>>
phos. 1,
<<Pretty high phosphate level, I would strive to get this reading down to .02 or
less>>
why, with so many water changes, the calcium was sky high?
<<Likely the source water or salt mix>>
Decided to test my R/O water with Instant Ocean salt mix (kept in a 50 gal.
Rubbermaid container) and it, too, reads 550-600.
<<I’m hearing more and more of concerns/problems re this brand of salt
mix...very disconcerting considering this has been my absolute favorite and most
recommended brand for three decades...>>
The only thing I add to my R/O water (that I buy from Wal-Mart Culligan machine)
is Seachem buffer 8.3, (I just started that) before I add the Instant ocean mix.
<<Hmm...I wouldn’t think it would matter, but try omitting the buffer and see
what your test reads. Also, test the water from your R/O unit “before” adding
the salt mix to rule out a bad membrane/high calcium levels from the source
water>>
This is the first time I've ever had a problem with high calcium. Snowstorm
galore!
<<Indeed, yikes!>>
However, I had added some calcium to my tank a few weeks ago, but since then
have done water changes that should have brought it down.
<<Not with a calcium reading of 600 mg in your change water>>
Could I have gotten a bad batch of Instant Ocean? (I order from Drs. Foster &
Smith the 160 gal. bucket.)
<<Maybe so...I’ve had some questionable samples myself lately...and makes me
suspicious re the ever-dropping “sale-price” of this product lately>>
I have also been battling green algae and red hair algae.
<<Your high phosphate reading isn’t helping here>>
I bought two more powerheads to help with the algae. Blew off some of the live
rock with turkey baster, and made a storm out of that. (geez) Seems like after
I did that, the algae blooms were worse and the corals started looking bad.
<<Hmm...do you have any purposeful chemical filtration? Adding a small canister
filter with carbon and Poly-Filter will help...you should probably also consider
utilizing an iron-based phosphate remover to get your phosphate level down (the
Poly-Filter will help with this too)>>
The live rock looks like it has sand lightly sprinkled on it and my snails and
one cleaner shrimp has died and as I said before, the few soft corals I have do
not look well at all.
<<All a result of the chemical imbalances your tank is experiencing>>
Fish are doing fine. I feed them twice a day, but only enough for them to be
able to eat within 1 min. My tank is a 100 gal., 6 mos. old, with wet/dry
trickle system - bio balls having been replaced with live rock, Super Skimmer by
Coralife,
<<Do make sure this skimmer is working well>>
5 powerheads, 1" of live sand, although, with all the vacuuming off the top of
the sand due to all the algae, I doubt there is even an inch left! 1 Blue
Hippo, 1 yellow tang, 1 Midas Blenny, 2 clowns, 1 PJ cardinal, some snails, 1
turbo snail. Things just seem to be out of control. Almost out of salt, so
just ordered another bucket. I hope that will test out better than the one I
just finished with the high calcium.
<<Do let me know>>
I have no idea how to lower my calcium other than water changes and not adding
anymore calcium or iodine, and just stick to straight out water changes,
although, when my replacement water tests out of the calcium level of 550 +, I
can't even do that.
<<Agreed...>>
Any help would be greatly appreciated...I have read so much on your website,
that I am dizzy. I've read everything on calcium, alk, phosphate, and different
salts to use, all the algae sites. I need some personal help. Thank you ever
so much...what we any of us do without this site? I've tried the chat site, but
seems like too much guess work going on there... a lot of people like me trying
to help people like me! (Oh Geez!) ha-ha Sometimes I've been lucky to get a
pro, but not of late. Thanks for your help... Linda in GA
<<Well Linda, at this point I would try a different salt mix (Seachem,
Tropic-Marin) to get things back in balance...and quickly! And do also employ
the chemical filtration I have suggested. Make these changes and then give me a
shout back if need be. EricR in SC>>
Alkalinity Trouble 3/7/07
Hi, I could use some good advice and you've been very helpful in the past.
I'm having an alkalinity problem, it's too high - 17dKH or 6 meg/L, my PH is
steady at 8.3-8.4. I was reading a ton of FAQ's on your site and realized that
I haven't tested my premixed salt water for a while so when I did that I noticed
the alkalinity was even higher (19.2 dKH or 6.75 megs/L) than in my tank, I pre
mix the IO salt
<Instant Ocean? What does your source water itself read?>
water in a separate tank with a powerhead and a heater at 80 degrees and let it
sit for 3-7 days before making water changes.
<Good>
At this point I am assuming that the problem is coming from the IO salt mix,
<Mmm, not by itself, no>
my main question: is it feasible that this instant ocean mix has changed since I
bought it 2 months ago?
<No... not in this way>
Have you heard of inconsistencies like this with instant ocean before?
<Unfortunately yes... in recent times>
I am assuming that I should run out an buy another bag, mix up some and test it
ASAP and if it tests fine proceed with a 50% water change?
Potentially unrelated but today I had a juvenile percula jump out of the tank,
I was not there to save her. (depressing) but this is what lead me to test
everything within the tank and the alkalinity was the only thing off. My other
juvenile perc is fine? Could the alkalinity be the problem with that or is this
a rare unfortunate occurrence with fish in general?
<This species, and most all others... can/will "jump" out w/ little provocation.
I don't think the salt is at play here>
I apologize for the long question(s).
Tank tests:
ammonia 0.0
nitrite 0.0
nitrate 3 ppm
phosphate 0.0
calcium 370
Ph 8.3
salinity 1.025 (kept a bit higher because of a bubble tipped anemone)
Thank you
Shawn
<Your tap/source water... and test kit... I'd be testing them here. Bob Fenner>
Re: Alkalinity Trouble - 3/7/07
Thank you for your quick reply,
I should have included that info before but the RO water I use tested at 2.2
dKH, 0.80 meg/L. I used the same test kit as was used to test the tank and make
up water. How would you recommend testing the test kit itself? Is it as simple
as buying a new kit?
Shawn
<Better to have the LFS use theirs. BobF>
Re: Alkalinity Trouble 3/13/07
I have gotten to the bottom of my boggle. The local fish store that I
purchased the kit at had just received a shipment of kits, I took my kit and a
sample of my water to the store.
<Good...>
They tested my water and it tested fine, 8 dKH. They then used my kit and it
again tested extremely high, they also tested a couple of their other test kits
that they had received at the same it and found a similar problem with all of
them. It looks like it was a bad batch of test kits. They were siefert
<Salifert likely>
alkalinity tests.
Thank you for your advise
<advice>
, just wanted to let you know what the resolution was.
<Thank you for this follow-up. Bob Fenner>
Re: Frustrated Over Alkalinity Readings – 02/22/07
Sorry again I emailed you an incomplete message.
<<Ahh, ok...I was just trying to sort through/make sense of it. I will delete
the first correspondence then, and address your questions here>>
I am doing water testing and my alkalinity test read that .4ml of my titrate
means that I have a reading of 6meq/l.
<<This is too high. Alkalinity in a reef system should be in the range of 2.5
meq/l to 4 meq/l >>
Which makes no sense to me?
<<...?>>
I am working to 6-8dKH
<<8dKH should be your “minimum”...in my opinion>>
and the test kit suggests that I reach 4-5 meq/l. Then when I convert that I
get something like 16dKH.
<<Mmm, no...would actually be a range of 11.2-14 dKH>
Could you set me straight?
<<I shall try [grin]. The test kit is actually “more” correct re the proper
desired alkalinity reading than you are here. Look at it this way... 1 meq/l =
2.8 dKH. Thus, the often suggested alkalinity target range of 2.5 to 4 meq/l
converts to 7 to 11.2 dKH; though most authors agree a slightly higher dKH of 8
– 12 is fine/recommended>>
Thanks a ton, Cathy
<<Happy to assist...do let me know if this is not yet clear. EricR>>
Re: Frustrated Over Alkalinity Readings – 02/23/07
Thanks so much.
<<A pleasure to share>>
I am having difficulty maintaining calcium and alkalinity.
<<I wonder Cathy...do you understand the correlation between the two? If you
are dosing supplements to establish/maintain these elements I suspect this is
where your problems lie. Without more specific data I'm at a loss to provide
meaningful assistance re but will tell you this...most any system of about 150
gallons or less...unless very heavily stocked with calcifying organisms...can
easily maintain its balance of earth/bio-mineral elements through generous
frequent partial water changes with a quality synthetic salt mix>>
The advice you offer is priceless.
<<Hmm...you keep talking like that I may have to ask the boss for more money
(just kidding Big-B! [grin])>>
Thanks again,
Cathy
<<If I can be of further assistance you know where to find me. Eric Russell>>
R2: Frustrated Over Alkalinity Readings – 02/26/07
That makes perfect sense. I have been overdosing with Kalkwasser and buffer
for alkalinity and that probably depleted my magnesium.
<<Overuse/abuse of the buffer will depress calcium as well>>
I always buy Reef Crystals with the proper calcium...and everything. I should
have been trusting it all along.
<<Indeed...frequent partial water changes should fix/maintain your necessary
bio-mineral elements>>
I am surprised I did not figure this out a year ago.
<<[grin]>>
Although, I have continually lost a few corals every once in a while.
<<Clues>>
I have a very stressed tank right now and will slowly replace with just correct
change of water.
<<Mmm, perhaps a 40% water change to get things going is needed here>>
One more question if I may.
<<Certainly>>
I have to raise pH with buffer since my water is at about a 7.8 after the Reef
Crystals are added.
<<Strange that it would be so low...though I have seen some worrisome queries of
late concerning the Aquarium Systems salt mixes>>
I have two types of buffer. SeaChem and Kent Super Buffer. Do you have a
preference?
<<I surely do...the Seachem products are my definite choice. And a couple
things worth mentioning re making up seawater...try adding the buffer to the
water "before" adding the salt mix...and do be sure you are adding the salt to
the water, and not the other way round...>>
Thanks again,
Cathy
<<Is a pleasure>>
And please do ask for that raise!
<<Hee-hee! We're all volunteers here...your continued success is reward
enough. Eric Russell>>
High Alkalinity - 06/04/05
Greetings WW Crew
I hugely appreciate WWM and all the effort you put in to sustaining a well
informed , thoughtful, AQ community. Your work is important and should accompany
every tank sold as required reading.
<<Wow, high praise indeed...the Crew thanks you.>>
I have recently ( 3 mo.s) taken over husbandry of a 100 gal reef tank with the
following population: Live rock, 3" aragonite bed, two open brains ( 3" dia) ,
one hammer coral , 10 or so small Caulastrea polyps , two small mushrooms , one
large mushroom (3"), some zoo's, two clowns in a green carpet anemone , 1 blue
damsel , 1 watchman goby, 1 Pseudochromis and assorted cleanup critters. It has
a Turboflotor 1000 skimmer and about 10x/hour cycling through the system with an
additional 10x flow from a second current pump. For the past 2 months I've been
wrestling with getting my Alk / Ca balanced , well , a little more balanced.
<<Should not have to "wrestle" with this. Let's see what we can do...>>
Ca hovers around 300 ( never lower , sometimes a little higher, Seachem test)
and my Alk is consistently in the 14.5 - 15.5 range (Salifert test) , varying up
and down over the course of 10 days.
<<Have you tried a different test kit for both? Either a new kit or even a
different brand, just to validate your readings.>>
I use Instant Ocean salt and commercial R/O water for 20 gal water changes every
2 weeks.
<<Very good.>>
R/O water tests as almost zero alk. I haven't added Kalk for a while (once in
last month) as I assume it'll push the alk even higher.
<<Maybe...but should be of little concern if monitored and applied correctly.>>
I've trawled through the FAQ's and while there's a wealth of info on raising ALK
there seems to be a dearth on how to lower it.
<<"Raising " does seem to be the more common problem.>>
Everything in there seems to be doing fine and seems stable.
<<Yes...your readings (if accurate) are not as bad as you may think...stability
here is the key.>>
However I'd like to be able to raise the Ca and slowly steer the tank over the
next year toward SPS rather than the mixed population it has currently but am
not sure how to proceed safely.
Any advice or a redirect to a good source of info would be very welcome. Let me
know if you need to know more about my setup.
<<I'd start with a large (70%) water change. Be sure to aerate and BUFFER your
R/O water before adding your salt mix. You might want to test this before
adding it to the tank to see what is going on here. Test your calcium and
alkalinity after the water change and see if things are more
"balanced." Considering your current stock list, once balanced, you should be
able to maintain your calcium and alkalinity with the water change schedule you
mention. As odd as it may seem, not buffering your R/O water may be what's
throwing things askew. You can use simple baking soda for this, though I like
to mix mine 3 to 1 with Seachem's Reef Buffer for the added boron. I'd also
having a peek at the Reef Chemistry Forum (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=112)
on Reef Central...lots of good info to be found.>>
Thanks, Dan
<<Regards, Eric R.>>
Water so hard you can chew it - 4/12/05
Hi Crew,
I hope someone responds quickly in case I need immediate action.
<How's this?>
I prepared two five gallon containers of salt water a week ago for a small water change. I checked the
pH of the mixed salt water and it was slightly
low as was the Alkalinity in my tank, so I added buffer to the two containers of pre-mixed salt water.
<Good to use the buffer to address low alkalinity... but not pH alone.>
I mixed well and aerated with a small power head and added to the tank. The buffer evidently was not dissolved
and the entire tank clouded up.
<As in "went milky" with cloudiness? It sounds like you had an imbalance in calcium/alkalinity -- calcium too high for the water to be able to support this additional input of carbonates. The result? The whole darn lot falls out of solution in a self-perpetuating reaction.>
I mixed 3 teaspoons in each five gallon container (instructions were 1 teaspoon per 80 liters of water).
<This is a lot of buffer to add to five gallons of water.... too much.>
I have added before to make up water without any problems, but this time it did not
dissolve. I know the salt water was well mixed as it was aerated for a whole entire week. My tank is 250 gallons in total capacity.
I have added carbon to try to clean, but do you think I have a big problem? It seems to me I heard somewhere that if buffer does not become soluble, it
can precipitate something and cause a big problem. I used Kent super dKH buffer. Please let me know if I really messed up.
<Do you add calcium supplements? If so, you do need to be testing for calcium in addition to alkalinity. In addition, you should only add an amount of buffer that the water can support -- whether this be your change water or the tank water.>
Thanks for your quick response.
<I would let the reaction run its course. Once the "cloudiness" has disappeared altogether, you will likely find you have very low calcium and alkalinity. A series of water changes will help to bring them back up.
Steven
<Best regards, John> Water so hard you can chew it - II 12/5/05
John,
Thanks for your quick reply.
<Welcome!>
Update: water cleared completely and I checked the Alkalinity and ph. The alkalinity is a color chart (no numbers) and it read almost exactly the
color that is the highest alkalinity. Ph is right about 8.3, this is also with a color chart. I have a reagent style Red Sea test kit which is
relatively new.
<Sounds good. You need to get some decent (reagent or electronic) test kits>
I added a calcium, iodine and strontium supplement as you indicated my calcium may be low. I don't have a test kit for calcium; however I will try
to get one tomorrow.
<I think you misunderstood my previous response... an imbalance of alkalinity or calcium is what is causing you these problems. You need to be testing for both calcium and alkalinity.>
Any chance this event was toxic to the fish, snails, or crabs? They seem to be acting "normal" grazing off of the live rock and ate some sea veggie
sheets I fed after the water cleared.
<Unlikely>
I had thought it was normal to buffer pre-mixed salt water, but I guess not the case here. I am assuming there was too high of a calcium level in the
salt water I mixed to sustain the buffer as you indicated. I will buffer in the future if needed using the top off water, as I have never had any
problem doing so. The water is double carbon pass, double RO pass, double UV pass, and then deionized so it is doubtful there was an issue with the
water.
<Yes, it is normal to buffer it slightly.... but three teaspoons per five gallons is an insane amount of buffer to add to pre-mixed saltwater.>
In any case I hope all is well here and with you.
<Very well. Thanks for writing... John>
Thanks, Steven
When adding sodium bicarbonate fails... seesawing alk. and Ca
concentrations - 4/11/2006
Dear Crew
<Mike>
Thank you so much for the Knowledge you have given me. I have gathered
tomes of information in my first year as an aquarist. Thank you! Now for
the fun part :)
<My fave>
I have heard that if you use baking soda (cautiously) you can
increase your dKH levels.
<Mmm...>
I have tried this method to no avail. Even when putting a teaspoon of
baking soda (Arm & Hammer brand - 100% sodium bicarbonate) in a gallon of
water (from a water change) and testing that gallon one hour later, the
results show (for both my test kits) 0 dKH. How does that work out?
My tank is suffering from 0 dKH.
<0?>
Specs are as follows:
55gal nitrate, nitrite, ammonia, phosphate, all at 0.
calc is 475ppm
<... source of precipitation of your alkalinity>
trace silicate (< .1ppm)
My PH varies wildly (as I would expect) but always on the
high side. night readings in the 8.3 area - day readings nearing 8.8
No corals (yet), livesand 4" deep, 1 maroon clown (in QT now, soon to be
added), few crabs and snails, lots of live rock.
I do not use an RO/DI unit as my tap water is near perfect. It has no
phos, nitrate, nitrite, or ammonia, and has high calcium (in fact, I don't
dose calc and still maintain 475ppm). Is my lack of water filtering
perhaps the problem after all?
<Mmm, not likely>
I have tried mixing my make-up water (my weekly change - 10%) with two
teaspoons of baking soda (as prescribed by the forum members and LFS) but
still haven't seen an increase in dKH. I was previously using Kent Marine
Superbuffer-dKH in the same fashion with the same results. I've Been doing
this for about 2 months now. What else can be done to increase dKH and
stabilize my PH?
<... a bunch>
One other thing that might be worth mention (suspect #1 on my list) is that
fact that I am not sure what material my sand bed is. I originally bought
a cheap sugar-fine type of white sand (specifically for marine tanks - not
"play sand") though, sadly I do not recall the brand name. Would slowly
adding a few more inches of an aragonite sand help my issue?
Thank you again for your time, effort, and inspiration.
Sincerely,
Mike Price.
<... Mike, please take a read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm
and the linked files above. You are "this close" to the
momentum/understanding... and Antoine's article ought to bring some light.
Bob Fenner>
Coralline Algae/Alkaline Precipitation/Ca Reactor Tuning - 12/07/06
Hi Eric,
<<Hey Ken!>>
I hope all is well with you.
<<Indeed it is...thank you>>
Things have been going well with the tank, but I have a few questions.
<<Ok>>
The tank is set up 6 weeks now. The few soft corals and star-polyps look good.
<<Excellent>>
I did buy a clean-up crew about 10 days ago. I feel like I should put the
snails on the payroll. In the first two days they cleaned all of the greenish
algae I had on the rocks.
<<Cool!>>
The tank looks good. My nitrate is less than 1-ppm and phosphate is zero using
LaMotte Colorimeter.
<<Very good>>
The pH is usually 8.10 to 8.20 and ORP has been about 415MV.
<<More good news>>
I also have gotten more and more pink coralline algae on some of the rocks. My
first question has to do with that in the last couple of days I am getting areas
of a burgundy color on the rocks.
<<Coralline algae comes in "many" colors>>
It looks to be more on the areas that have some of the pinkish coralline.
<<Conditions in those locations are likely "optimum" for both
species...everything competes for space on the reef>>
Also I notice the burgundy color is all of a sudden on a lot of the turbo
snails.
<<Very common>>
Is this just another color coralline?
<<Indeed it is>>
I am hoping that it is not like red Cyano or something.
<<Can usually tell the difference>>
I don't see this on most of the rocks and none on sand, powerheads, sand etc. I
tried scraping it off with my fingernail and it does come off somewhat. It
doesn't seem as hard as the pink coralline algae.
<<Differences in structure/composition>>
I'm not sure if this is coralline or not.
<<Likely so>>
I would say that I see this burgundy color mostly on places that had pink to
begin with pretty much. My next question has to do with my AGA Mega
Flow. Their isn't really any algae on my rocks or tank, but I do have some
thick greenish layers of it in the overflow box only. Should I leave it their,
or manually remove it, or can I put a couple of my turbo snails in there to eat
it.
<<Can remove or leave, whichever you prefer...I would not put turbo snails in
the overflow box (will probably get there sooner or later anyway, but...) as
they will get in to the overflow pipes and restrict/block flow>>
I thought about snails and overflows but the Durso pipe and the return pipe are
sealed unit and nothing could get in there. What do you think?
<<If you have some kind of "screen" on the Durso then this may be fine>>
By the way, if I manually remove the algae will anything?
<<...?>>
I don't want to spread it around the tank? Also is it possible that this algae
is in its own "container" and it can act like a refugium in a way?
<<Sure...on a very small scale. If nothing else, it is removing nutrients...but
I'll bet close observation will reveal some tiny crustaceans living there as
well>>
My last question and most perplexing and bothersome to me has to do with my
calcium reactor. I have an MTC Pro-Cal calcium reactor. I don't run it all of
the time as my tank is only 6 weeks old and there isn't much in the tank to take
up the Alk and Ca. When my alk gets down to 8dKH, I turn on the CO2 and run it
at 1 bubble per second and the effluent at .02 ml as per the instructions. This
is their starting point.
<<And as good as any>>
I will shut of the CO2 once the alk hits 10 or 11 dKH. My Ca usually is in the
410 to 425 ppm range. The strange thing is that once I run the Ca reactor for a
day or so, I see some of the rock (usually more evident where the coralline
algae is) start to get a whitish tone to it. It does not blow off. Also, and
more importantly, when I take a turkey baster, I can blow off what almost looks
like ash.
<<Sounds as if you may have some carbonaceous material falling out of solution>>
This has happened all three times I ran it.
<<You may want to consider experimenting with different reactor media>>
I was wondering if it was calcium precipitate, but how could it be?
<<Easy enough...the water can only "hold" so much material. Maximizing
alkalinity (11dKH) and calcium (425ppm) over saturates the water with
carbonaceous material. Try test your alkalinity AND calcium after one of these
events...likely BOTH have fallen as a result>>
All of the parameters are in check. I am not using limewater or any additive
and I do 20% water changes weekly with Reef Crystals.
Do you have any ideas?
<<The reactor is probably "too large" for the system (right now anyway) and is
producing to much alkaline and calcium reserve than the tank can "use." I would
turn to one of the two-part alkalinity/calcium supplements for now. Based on
your future stocking levels/specimens, you may find you don't need the reactor>>
By the way, I am using CaribSea Geo Thermal aragonite for the media.
<<Mmm, I see...this product is likely soft/more soluble than others...try
adjusting the reactor effluent to a pH of about 7.0 the next time you use it and
see what results>>
I did buy a Kalk stirrer and plan on using it with my dosing pump and float
switch for top off water once I have the time to set it up in a few days.
<<Proceed with caution here...for now anyway>>
I appreciate your help.
Regards,
Ken
<<Always happy to assist. EricR>>
Re: Coralline Algae/Alkaline Precipitation/Ca Reactor Tuning – 12/07/06
Hey Eric,
<<Ken>>
Thanks for the reply.
<<Welcome>>
With regards to the calcium issue, is it possible that my magnesium could be too
low?
<<Testing would tell...but no, this is not the reason your alkalinity rises so
fast when the reactor is operating>>
If so, what supplement do you recommend?
<<I prefer the Seachem product...though “small and infrequent” adjustments can
be made using simple Epsom Salts>>
By the way, the person at MTC said that I should switch to Instant Ocean instead
of Reef Crystals.
<<tomAto-TOMaTO...made/distributed by the same company. But the Instant Ocean
will be fine (is what I use) and will save you a few bucks to boot>>
He said why use salt with all of the extra ingredients in it when you are
supplementing the tank anyway with a Ca reactor? What do you think?
<<The difference in the mixes is of small consequence here...in my opinion>>
Also, I have been doing 20% water change per week.
<<Ah...though water changes are the single best function you can perform, you
might consider reducing this to every 3-4 weeks to better give this “new” tank
time to stabilize/reach a balance between these changes. Once the tank has
“matured” for a year or so, and if stocking levels warrant, you may find you
need to “up” the frequency>>
Do you think this is too much at a time?
<<Too much too often at this stage, yes>>
I can tell you that after the water change, the corals close up for a while and
my ORP drops quite a bit.
<<The salt mix is quite “reactive” and irritates the corals/fish...best to let
newly mixed salt mature for a week or two while being aerated/moved around with
a powerhead>>
All goes back eventually of course.
<<But not without exacting a “toll” in energy used/lost>>
With regards to a two-part supplement, what do you recommend?
<<E.S.V. or C-Balance>>
Do I need to use both parts together to make it work? (Sorry for the dumb
question).
<<Yes...do follow manufacturer’s instructions closely>>
Lastly, wouldn't the addition of limewater as top off and no further
supplementation or Ca reactor work for me at this point as long as I watch the
alk and don't let it go over 11 dKH?
<<You need to monitor both alkalinity AND calcium...these elements are mutually
exclusive at the high end of their ranges, which is why you experience the
precipitation events>>
I am at 7.5 dKH right now.
<<A “tad” low>>
Why did you note to proceed with caution?
<<You are already having problems with high alkalinity and calcium when running
the Ca reactor...utilizing Kalkwasser in conjunction will compound the issue>>
By the way, I evaporate approx 4 or 5 quarts per day right now.
Thanks again.
Regards,
Ken
<<Cheers mate, EricR>>
R2: Coralline Algae/Alkaline Precipitation/Ca
Reactor Tuning - 12/08/06
Hey Eric,
<<Ken>>
All noted.
<<Cool>>
You did mention that I had high alkalinity but the testing doesn't bare
this out.
<<...?>>
It was high when I first set up the tank, but has been in the 11-12 dKH
range ever since.
<<And this is the "high" end of the acceptable range...couple this with
calcium levels above 400ppm and you have the "potential" for precipitous
events>>
I waited until the alkalinity hit 7-8 dKH before turning on the CO2. I
measured morning and night. The alk never hit 8dKH but I still got the
precipitate.
<<Mmm...pretty sure you stated in a previous query your alkalinity had
reached 11dKH and with calcium at 425ppm>>
Something is odd here I think.
<<Hmm, maybe...though likely much to do with the newness/instability of
the system>>
Oh yea and Ca was about 415 ppm.
<<Again, on the high end...>>
I didn't even have the CO2 running for 24 hours?
<<I'm still guessing the reactor needs more tuning/backing-off on
bubble/effluent rates>>
I am definitely confused. Good thing that I can rest on the fact that
this is a relaxing hobby. :)
<<Ha! Indeed...>>
Regards,
Ken
<<Be chatting, EricR>>
R3: Coralline Algae/Alkaline Precipitation/Ca Reactor Tuning - 12/08/06
Hi Eric,
<<Hey Ken>>
I did have alkalinity at 11 dKH and calcium at 425 ppm, however the alkalinity
was at 8 dKH when I turned on the reactor.
<<Understood>>
I was just confused at the precipitate in the tank.
<<As previously explained...I think (?)>>
I also thought that 1 bubble per second and effluent of .02 ml was not a lot.
<<Is all relative...may very well be/appears to be too much for "your" system>>
I guess I am wrong?
<<Just new...and learning...>>
Anyway, I ordered a new solenoid as the one I have now I cannot adjust under
this amount of 1 bubble per second as it doesn't seem to be too fine.
<<Mmm, I see...might have been able to use a simple pinch-clamp on the hose in
conjunction with the current solenoid/metering valve>>
Also from what the Ca reactor maker said, it should be running all of the time
and not off and on.
<<Bull...how can the "maker" know what your system's needs are/what's best for
your tank? Only by testing can you/anyone determine if the Ca reactor needs to
be fed CO2 on a full-time basis. To help with pH swings, I have my Ca reactor
on a timer that turns off the CO2 when the lights come-on on my vegetable
refugium (refugium is on a RDP)>>
I will try it at maybe 30 or 40 bubbles per minute and watch the tank and test
morning and night for a few days and see what happens.
<<Once you reduce the bubble-rate, adjust the effluent until the effluent pH is
about 7.0 with the CaribSea media>>
If I still have issues, should I use something like ESV two-part or Kalkwasser
(watching pH of course) until my tank has more of an alkalinity and calcium
demand?
<<Try the two-part over the Kalkwasser for now...but honestly...with your
current stock list/stocking density, monthly 20% water changes should be quite
sufficient for maintaining the tanks earth elements>>
Also the Ca reactor maker recommends aragonite for his reactor, is this a good
choice?
<<It is, most all reactor media is a "form" of aragonite. Do look in to the
larger "European style" (10mm nominal) medias as carried by 'Premium Aquatics'
and 'Aquarium Specialty' (the latter is owned by a friend of mine). Scott at
Aquarium Specialty also has a Magnesium granulate that can be added to the CA
reactor and may help with maintaining this element as well>>
Lastly, I will cut back on my water changes as per the last email.
<<For the best I believe>>
What percent and how many times a month do you recommend?
<<With the tank so new and lightly stocked, I think 25% per month would be just
fine>>
Thanks,
Ken
<<Always welcome. Eric Russell>>
R4: Coralline Algae/Alkaline Precipitation/Ca Reactor Tuning - 12/12/06
Hi Eric,
<<Hello Ken>>
The tank looks good, but I am still trying to figure out the Ca and alk deal. I
haven't added anything to the tank in a week.
<<Good>>
My alk was 9 dKH and Ca was about 385 ppm last night.
<<Both excellent values>>
I changed about 5% water last Friday.
<<...thought we agreed to cut back on this and let the tank find its "balance"
*grin*>>
Right now I guess there is no need to do anything.
<<Agreed>>
At what reading do you think I need to take action?
<<As long as alkalinity stays within 8-12 dKH and Ca between 350-450 ppm; and
keeping both from being at the high end of their respective range at the same
time, then you need do nothing. If any adjustments do need to be made then make
"small" ones>>
I don't want to get involved in that two-part addition additive.
<<Ok>>
I have the Ca reactor and the Kalk stirrer and I would rather go that route when
the time comes.
<<Indeed...both are better methodologies. And you could probably go ahead and
use the calcium reactor...with a different (harder) media and "fine tuning" of
the reactor effluent>>
By the way, I had checked my Mg and it was somewhere between 1230 and 1260. So
this doesn't appear to be low.
<<Nope>>
You mentioned about a larger media for the Ca reactor. What would the purpose
be for using this over the CaribSea aragonite that I have?
<<Slower dissolution...as it appears now, the calcium reactor is overwhelming
your system>
By the way, I did get myself a better Co2 controller for better control over how
much is added. I will hold off on the reactor until for the present.
<<I would try a different media, crank-back the output, and see what happens
now>>
With regards to the Kalkwasser stirrer, can I dose some amount with my top off
water?
<<You can...if the system will handle it...>>
I have a Liter Meter and it administers is whatever you want to set it at. It
just takes that amount you want to deliver in a 24 hour period and divides it
into 150 doses.
<<Understood>>
That looks to be a dose each 9.6 minutes. So if I dose as per my evaporation
rate of a gallon per day, this would mean it would dose .85 of an ounce every
9.6 minutes. I could also set with a timer and only have it dose for the
12-hour lights-off period. I would then tell the Liter Meter that it doses
2-gallons a day so that it can dose the 1-gallon in that 12-hour period that is
needed.
<<Mmm, better to run 24/7 for better system stability if will be your only means
for top-off>>
I could also use a timer and have it dose 1/2-gallon in 12-hours with limewater
and then does the other 12-hours with just my ro/di water. What do you think?
<<Ah, even better to run/dose separately. I would set the meter to add the
fresh top-off water (minus whatever volume of limewater you decide to dose)
throughout a 24-hour period, and then set the limewater to be added during
"lights out">>
Getting back to my "ash" debris on the rocks. I had mentioned previously that I
noticed this after I ran the Ca reactor.
<<Maybe another indicator that the CaribSea media id being dissolved "too
fast">>
However I have not run it in a week and I still noticed it when I blew off the
rocks the last few days.
<<Likely the material will not go back in to solution and is resettling...along
with detritus in the tank...this is not uncommon/unusual>>
Maybe it is not from the CO2 reactor and maybe not calcium precipitate?
<<Possibly detritus>>
It's hard to describe what it looks like on the rock except debris. Almost
looks like blowing ashes.
<<Does sound like "precipitate"...hmm or maybe...you haven't added a flocculent
to your system have you?>>
It is not powdery like what I get when I use the turkey baster and blow out the
holes in the rocks.
<<I see>>
Could the rock be breaking down at all?
<<Doubtful>>
The tank itself looks good. The two tangs and the few soft corals/star-polyps
look good. Phosphate is still zero and nitrate is .15ppm using LaMotte.
<<All good>>
Thanks and regards,
Ken
<<I'll wager everything will "settle in/stabilize" with time and less "fiddling"
of the system. Regards, EricR>>
Tropic Marin Bio Calcium ... alk. anomaly 11/28/06
Hi guys/gals,
<Laura>
I have been using tropic Marin bio calcium (powder) for 7 weeks as a way to
boost calcium in my 75 SPS tank. I add 1.5 teaspoon per gallon of Kalkwasser for
evaporation hooked to a auto top off.
<Good methodology>
Before using the new product I measured calcium at 365 and alk at 4.0 meg/l.
After first week calcium was at 380, and alk is 5.0meg/l.
<I would stop here>
I am adding the dose described on the jar, I scoop per 5 gallons. Problem is my
alkalinity is soaring it is now 6.0 meg /l and calcium is still at 365-370 after
7 weeks. I need help, I emailed tropic Marin and asked if bio calcium raises
alk, and they quick reply was no.
<Mmmm>
Something is not right, I have not added anything else to the water except for
Kalk.
<Not so... new salt mix... and Kalk>
I use IO salt and add a little magnesium as IO is lacking it. I fail to believe
my 75 SPS is using 40ppm of calcium a day. Any advice? thanks Derick
<I would slow to stop the use of the Bio Calcium product... allow the alkalinity
to drop on its own. Bob Fenner>
Low PH and High Alkalinity 6/2/04
I've been having low pH and high alkalinity problem in my tank. Ph is at 8.1
and Alkalinity is at 5.0 meg/L.
<usually a large water change or two will make this more even keeled unless a
very high ALK source water is the root cause (easy enough to test and
confirm)>
Just a month ago the ph was 8.3 and alkalinity was 4.5 meg/L. I've
been adding SeaChem Reef Advantage Calcium and Reef Calcium and Ph dropped to
8.1. So I added one dose of SeaChem's
Marine Buffer and Ph stayed at 8.1 and alkalinity went up to 6.0 meq/L.
<Yikes! Please be careful to avoid the see-saw effects of such dosing. You
may very well need some large water changes here to get your chemistry back on
par. Do also read the article we have in the wetwebmedia.com archives called
"Understanding Calcium and Alkalinity" (do a keyword/phrase search
with the google search tool on the home page)>
Recently alkalinity came down to 5.0meq/L. Calcium is at 380mg/l, magnesium is
at 1500mg/l and strontium is at 7.5 mg/l. Right now my tank is fish only tank
but I want to slowly turn it in to reef tank. At first I wanted to get some
calcareous algae growing in the tank, so I started on calcium.
<precarious and unnaturally high levels of biominerals are not needed for
good growth. Stability and consistent levels go much further.>
I tried to find same case on your site but it was all High ph and Low alkalinity
problems.
<the see-saw works both ways <G>>
I know that ph of 8.1 is not that big of a problem
<actually... it is a problem in the long run for many corals. Some will not
tolerate a night time dip much below 8.3... requiring a daytime pH of 8.4-8.6
>
but I wanted to know if this kind of trend could mean there is some thing wrong
with water chemistry.
<yes... skewed slightly from the mis-dosing>
Right now there is no sign of ph going lower than 8.1 but since
the beginning the ph was always at 8.3. I real would appreciate your insight
into this matter. Thanks, -hsk
<do check to see that accumulated CO2 in the (well-insulated) home is not
depressing your pH. Aerate a glass of tank water in the garage or outside for 6+
hours. If the pH increases over the period, then you have accumulated CO2 in the
household atmosphere. Common and discussed at great length in the archives if
you are interested. kindly, Anthony>
Alkalinity drop 7/23/04
I had been using Rowaphos for a few months with no problems. Unfortunately
while on vacation, my Calcium Reactor output hose clogged up and the alkalinity
dropped from around 10 to 6 ! This severely stressed out several of my favorite
colonies including:
Tri-Color Acro - this is the worst one hit but there are some live branches with
many polyps under the dead white tips.
Hydnophora - looks like this may recover from the bleaching
Baby Blue Acro Frags- have many of these so not a biggy
Blue Acro tortuosa - Tips are turning white, not sure if it will make it. One of
my more expensive and most favorite pieces.
<I am not convinced that a drop in alk to 6 would be enough by itself to
cause this. How sure are you that nothing died while you were away,
causing an ammonia spike and how sure are you that your temperature did not rise
more than about 4-6 degrees above normal?>
My questions are: What is the difference between bleaching and RTN ?
My colonies did not all die in a matter of hours, but instead are bleaching
slowly....although now that I have stabilized the water parameters (Ca = 430,
Alk = 10) the bleaching has slowed but still continues.
<Bleaching is the expulsion of zooxanthellae. RTN is a condition
where the coral "self destructs" and the animal itself dies and the
tissue sloughs off of the skeleton. I agree with your move to correct
the alkalinity, and recommend carefully monitoring temperature, alkalinity, pH
and other parameters and focus on STABILITY! I would not try to
aggressively correct any other parameter unless it is dangerous (ammonia?).>
Should I remove the affected colonies ?
<I would not. Moving them would be another undue stress.>
Should I frag the affected colonies to save what I can, or leave them alone and
hope they recover ?
<I would leave them alone.>
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
<In the mean time, I would recommend lowering your light levels a bit. I
would do this by reducing intensity first (fewer lamps running, raising lamps
higher above tank) and only shorten the photoperiod if you don't have any other
choice. After a week or so, work your lighting back to normal over a
week or so. Best of luck! Adam>
- Alkalinity Drop -
Hello Crew, Sorry to bother you again but I need some advice. I have a 125L
with 120lbs live rock and 100lbs crushed coral, 2 250W metal halides and 2 95W
VHOs. The alkalinity in my tank is dropping. It has dropped from 11dkh two weeks
ago to 8 last week held a few days and then to 6.4dkh last night. Calcium is 480
which is a little high I know. It had been holding steady at about 440 until the
alkalinity started dropping and it started raising. PH has dropped a little from
8.4 to 8.2. Nitrates 0, nitrites 0 ammonia 0. I am dosing with Kalkwasser which
has been working great for months. I can not afford a calcium reactor right now
which I hope to some day have. I do a 10 gallon water every week. Once in awhile
I will skip a week and do 20 g the following week. I have coralline algae
growing all over the rock and keeps me busy scrapping the sides of the tank. All
of my hard corals are still showing good growth and I very much would like to
keep it that way. Please. Other then alkalinity dropping the only other thing
new was the seeing of what I believe is Halimeda growing from a colony of
pulsing xenia and I put in the tank about 3 weeks ago. I first noticed it last
Thursday and it has almost tripled in size or the weekend. From what I have read
this is suppose to be good and only thrive in good conditions. If I stop dosing
with Kalkwasser and only top off with RO water for a few days would this allow
things to even out? <Depends on your RO... you should be adding some form of
buffer compound opposite of the Kalkwasser... baking soda will do, but there are
also aquarium-specific products that will do the same job. At the very least you
should add this to both your top-off water and the water you use to mix up your
salt.> Please a little advice on how to bring these back into balance.
Thank you for you help
A Worried but not frantic
Norm
<Cheers, J -- >
- Low pH, High Alk, Follow-up -
<Hello, JasonC here this time.>
Adam please you answered my question just days ago so to follow up when I do
water changes I clean the substrate which is weekly generally but the last few
times it has been especially clean more so than usual which I'm putting down to
hermit crabs, small starfish, etc doing a fantastic job and also my bacteria
coping wonderfully with the biological load could this fact be an indication of
the low ph problem? <Not likely... it is the presence of such excess detritus
that brings down the pH - efficient reduction of such wastes would lead to high
nitrates, not a drop in pH.> Is all the poo, excess food and algae being eaten
what is lowering my pH, if so should I remove some hermits or starfish or what?
<I'd be looking in other places.> I only clean the canister filter every three
months and it doesn't get very dirty should I clean it more often anyway? <I'd
clean the canister at the least every week.> I have a wrasse of some description
about 2 inches long fairly young self collected which hides under the substrate
all the time like I mean it never comes out unless I scare it out (could be
coming out while lights off I suppose) have had these fish before my early tank
disaster and I recall they only used to come out for an hour a day at lunch and
never saw them eat either. How long would it take a fish to starve to death? <A
couple of weeks.> It doesn't look thin at all and it has been two weeks now (had
the others longer than that and they never looked thin either) so I'm thinking
he is eating something, either detritus on bottom or in substrate or algae at
night are the only options. <How about small crustaceans like amphipods and
copepods?> Any ideas about this fish's strange behaviour or if it is related to
my ph problem? <Well... without knowing exactly what type of wrasse it is, it's
hard to say specifically, but if it hides in the substrate, it is likely just
wary of predation and feels more comfortable this way.> Now with the co2 idea
does this mean I should aerate the water like get airstones for the water or
another power head for water movement or do I need a protein skimmer along with
removing covers to tank (only problem is I risk fish jumping out have two
confirmed jumpers in the tank and kiddies putting fingers and god knows what
else in there) or what? <A cover on the tank is always a good idea, although it
doesn't have to be glass, it can be eggcrate or similar material that allows gas
exchange but keeps the jumpers in the tank and little people's fingers out. The
skimmer likewise is always a good idea and I personally can't imagine running a
marine tank without one.> Does the co2 just make the ph look lower or is it
actually lower by this I mean am I raising ph higher than it is reading is the
ph even an issue or will sorting out the co2 problem fix the ph readings? <I'm
guessing Adam was referring to CO2 accumulation in the home - this would
actually lower the pH of the tank, and your readings would be accurate.> Bit
confused about co2 and ph relationship. <CO2, when mixed with water creates a
weak acid - carbonic acid, and this would lower your pH. Modern homes, by virtue
of their high R-vales - Tyvek wrapping, insulation, and double-pane windows tend
to have issues with fresh air - they hold air in the house, and this air becomes
CO2 laden over time by virtue of the exhaled breath of the humans living there.
Best way to address is to open some windows.> I have tested ph over a day and
night and it seems to remain constant 7.9/8.0 when tested every two hours during
the day and every four at night so this has nothing to do with it. Neither ph up
nor KH up have ingredients on them so don't know if borate is an issue. So in
summary ph can be 8.3 at beginning of week after all weekly maintenance, over
the week it will drop gradually to 7.9 by end of week and when I do water change
etc it goes up but not quite enough so I add 1 or 2 ph buffer tablets and it
drops over the week till next maintenance. <Sounds like you should be adding
something during the week, in between maintenance periods.> Should I keep doing
this or is the drop over the week a problem hasn't seemed to bother the fish so
far. <It will in time increase stress which will lead to other problems.> Also
to remind you my source water has ph 8.3/8.4 and top up water is 8.0. Should I
look at doing larger water changes to get pH up naturally without adding
chemicals each week or am I most likely looking at a co2 problem and if so why
would this be occurring in my tank. <All of the above.> I have no great algae
problem only one live rock if that makes a difference. Look forward to any
further advice/ideas you might have. Regards Nicole.
<Well... if your home fits the above description, start by opening some windows.
If this has no effect, then I would most certainly try to address this in your
source, make-up, and top-off water - keeping all inputs in the ideal range, and
then at the high end around 8.4.
Cheers, J -- >
Water Chemistry learning curve 8/5/04
Hi--thanks again for your quick response.
<always welcome my friend>
I am trying to get up to
speed--just bought Bob Fenner's book and will get yours shortly. My latest
problem is the alkalinity. The kit just arrived today and all the other water
parameters have not been alarming, so I expected the same with the alkalinity.
It was 7.2 when I tested it tonight; pH was 8.2. What causes this?
<Alk, pH and Ca are similarly influenced/quasi-related but not dependent on each
other. Your source water, sea salt and supplements have varying influences on
these>
I had a red sponge growing on live rock and it has totally lost all
color (within a day). How can I bring the alkalinity down?
<Hmm... I assumed that 7.2 was your dKH (and is a whisker low
if so). However,
if this is meq/l... then 7.2 is staggeringly high. To correct it, test your
newly mixed seawater to confirm that is not the source of high ALK and then do a
large water change or two. Misdosing supplements caused it then>
The fish don't seem to care, but I don't know if there will be long term effects
with them.
<there is a serious risk of a precipitous reaction here... Calcium falling out
of solution in your tank like snow and crashing the pH... perhaps the whole
system. Rather serious>
I put the carbon filter back when you suggested it... Also, there is a lot of
red algae in the tank. It isn't stringy, and is deep
red in color. It's on the rock and glass. I don't think it's coralline algae.
It's pretty but I'm worried it shouldn't be there.
<if its slimy, mat forming cyanoBACTERIA (AKA - BGA), the its a sign of excess
nutrients and/or inadequate water flow. Do take the time to read more in our
archives here at wetwebmedia by doing a keyword search form the home page on the
Google tool for "red algae" and "red slime algae">
Could this somehow be related to the alkalinity problem?
Thanks!! R/Janet
<not really. Anthony>
Chemistry learning curve II 8/11/04
Thanks, Anthony. Sorry to have left the units off--
<no worries>
it was 7.2meq/l and I was surprised at how high it was.
<yikes... it is so high that I'm not even sure its an accurate reading. Has this
been confirmed on another brand/type of test lit? DO check with a LFS or another
aquarist>
Ca = 460; pH = 8.2; hardness is 12 deg dH.
<I'd feel more comfortable if Ca was not pushing the high end too... 425ppm or
slightly lower is fine>
Phosphates are at zero, as are nitrates and nitrates.
<do allow some nitrates in the future for coral health/color... just a small
amount like 5-10ppm via fish food/feces or dosing with Sodium nitrate (see Knop
clam book or my Book of Coral Propagation for reference)>
We think it is "snowing" in the tank.
<with an ALK that high, it should be... yet it is unmistakable if so... hell
breaks loose in 12 hours and the tank crashes usually>
What do we do about it?
<you have to let a snowstorm finish, else any water changes or supplements will
feed the reaction. When its done, do an immediate and large water change. 2 or
more 50% water changes in the next week would be on par>
We just did a 20% water change today. We stopped adding the 2 part calcium
buffer about a week ago. When should we resume?
<when the water changes bring the numbers into a safe/flat and balanced range>
Should we test every other day or so and when Ca starts to dip, should we then
start adding the 2 part solution again? Thanks!! R/Janet
<unless you have a dozens of large stony corals in the tank needing lots of
calcium, I'd like to see you simply rely on small (say 20%) weekly water changes
instead for a while to replace trace elements and minerals while diluting the
bad compounds. Much better than the see-saw you are on with the random
supplements. kindly, Anthony>
"Let it snow, let it snow" NO!
Hi Bob,
<Craig>
I have a strange phenomena with my tank at present.
I am still in the cycling stage of my new 66 gallon cube tank here in New Zealand. I accidentally added baking soda in the plan of raising my pH.
The books I have read that this will happen. However as you probably know it does this indirectly as it actually increases the DKH.
<Mmm, "accidentally?", "indirectly?"... not indirect... it's sodium
bicarbonate...>
My Ammonia is 0
Nitrite maximum
nitrate 10
Calcium 380
kH 17DKH!!
<Yikes! How much soda did you add?>
Magnesium 1350
My MH 14k 250watt light comes on at 2PM and off at 10PM
Actinic on at 1PM and off at 11PM
The Phenomena:
6AM water extremely clear.
8Am water becomes cloudy, (as if calcium is precipitating).
10Am through until around 8PM continual clouding along with disgusting yellow water which catches in the mechanical filter very easily.
9PM water clarity starts to return.
10.30PM water extremely clear with no yellow!!
PH remains stable at 8.2 throughout each 24 hour period.
I am using activated carbon in my sump which is only 4 days old.
Next morning same again.
It has done this for 3 days!
I have not fired up my skimmer yet, as have been told to wait until finished cycling.
I currently have 4 or 5 small/medium rock pool shrimp which are extremely happy. I feed them a tiny pinch frozen fish mush every 3 days or so.
ANY IDEAS?
I AM STUMPED!!
Kind regards
Craig
NZ
<Yes... change a good part of the water... now... to dilute the excess
alkalinity, and DO turn on your skimmer... Do this NOW. Bob Fenner>
Re: High Alk., no skimmer, SNOW!
Bob, The Skimmer is on (1250 Deltec)
Alkalinity back to 15
Water crystal again.
Aahhh...It had me worried there for a bit.
<Me too!>
Soda>?.......Heaps too much!!!...Oooops.
<Heee!>
I have learnt!!
Cheers
Craig
<Ahhh, now if I could only become disciplined to the point of cutting back on
beer and wine consumption... Bob Fenner>
dKH help - Alkalinity too high 1/30/05
I have a 55 gallon fish only tank, with a few crabs and tube worms, etc. In the past my DKH was around 12 or so.
<excellent... no need to go higher>
It was stable so I didn't check it all the time. I checked it this morning and the DKH is over 20, I stopped at 20 drops. Yikes, I figure that it was adding too much buffer to top off water.
<yes... indeed too much buffer if this reading is accurate. Do test the accuracy of your test kit against the raw tap water and new mixed seawater. If they read (expected) lower, then perhaps something
in t he main tank is skewing the readings. Either way... do two large water changes (50%+) in the next 7-10 days to dilute the agent/issue causing the high Alk readings here>
I read through the FAQ's and I can't seem to find if this is a problem for the fish, they seem to be alright. I have maroon clowns, Bar
gobies, dragonet, green Chromis. I also can't seem to find out what I should do to drop it, or should I even bother?
<20 dKH is dangerously high (risk of precipitation)>
One other question. I have brown stuff that is about the consistency of bread crumbs that forms in the bottom of the tank and in a
specimen container that I have going to raise Amphipods, what is this stuff? Protein?
<no idea my friend... need more information than "brown bread crumbs" to go on here ;)>
Thanks, Randy
<best regards, Anthony>
High Ca/Low Alk
Hello there, Hope all is well with you.
<thanks, wish hope you are in good health and spirit as well>
I am a little concerned.
<me too... pomegranates have been so expensive this year! $2 each in my
hometown... last year they were only $1. Must have been a bad growing season>
My 55g tank is over 9 years old, but the current set up with 55 lbs of LR (45
Fiji, 10 >Atlantic) has been running since June of this year.
There is tremendous coralline algae growth, as well as snail shell growth (about
20 snails). Right now my Ca is near 600 (according to SeaTest),
<inaccurate likely, unless you have been abusing liquid calcium supplements.
A dangerous level indeed over 450ppm>
and alk is close to 2.0 meq/l (?)...
<hmmm... you have indeed misdosed liquid Ca. It has precipitated your
carbonates>
I haven't added any supplements since first week of
November (I use a two-part called Oceans Blend).
<a common problem with these supplements is that aquarists don't mix them
vigorously before every dose. The components of this clear solution stratify and
get dosed out of proportion which causes an imbalance in the Ca/ALK dynamic>
Early November, the measurements were about 500+ for Ca and about 2.2meq/l for
alk.
<Yikes... still way too skewed. The other problem with the two part mixes is
that they will carry any imbalance you start with. You must have a tank in
balance (large water changes will do the trick) BEFORE you begin dosing two part
liquid supplements>
I stopped adding the two-part at that time hoping to lower the Ca. I am
preparing to do a 10% water change this week, followed by another next week.
<wow... 10% weekly for normal maintenance is not enough in a healthy tank
when using liquid Ca supplements (chloride ions build up and need to be
diluted). In a problem like this... you need a few large water changes... 25% on
the low end, weekly or better for a few weeks>
What could have cause the increase in Ca?
<starting with a tank out of balance and then not mixing the solutions
vigorously before dosing to reiterate>
Could it be the LR dissolving?
<nope... its happening, just not making a difference here>
I have noticed that the rock has "shrunk" a little...
<Oh yes... dissolves in time. And your tank would benefit from some fresh
rock for certain. But it will not help the alk issue>
some pieces are not as big as when I first put them in. I don't think it's due
to settling as holes in the rock have gotten noticeably bigger and rocks stacked
upon other rocks are not covering the same amount of area as before (could my
eyes be playing tricks on me?).
<nope... you are correct. They dissolve chemically and from internal
organisms/activities>
I was doing weekly water changes for the first 3 months, then bi-weekly,
tri-weekly since then.
<ughh... stick with small weekly. Best (IMO)>
I have been using Purified water sold at the grocery store for
changes and top off...it says on the bottle that it is ozonized and de-ionized.
I aerate the water overnight, buffer it the next, then add Instant Ocean the day
after that.
<perfect my friend>
I have a corner overflow with polyester filter floss which flows down under the
tank over Chemipure and Polyfilter, goes into 10g sump housing Aqua-C Urchin,
and returned by Mag9.5 (throttled to about more than half way opened).
<the prefiltration is severely limiting skimmate potential/production. Please
never prefilter water before a skimmer... only raw. Prefilter afterwards>
>I have:
>1 Kole Tang
>3 Damsels
>20 Astrea snails
>2 keyhole limpets
>10 blue legged hermits
>1 unidentified crab
>4 inch Brown Acropora
>1 green open brain
>1 colony yellow polyp
>2 colonies of green star polyps
>3 rock anemones (will be trading in soon)
>1 bubble tip
>7 blue mushrooms
>1 Pink carnation
All seem to be doing well for now, no deaths since earlier this year.
<a very strange mix of corals... ultimately incompatible. Too long to explain
hear. but very different light and feeding requirements. Under your standardized
lighting and care... some will thrive and some will die prematurely in the 10-18
month picture. Study this issue more my friend.>
Fish are getting bigger, corals are solid in colors and multiplying (except
carnation...it seems to have lost some color and shrunk a bit...I may trade it
in soon).
<your carnation coral is starving to death.... please do not re-buy until you
understand their very specialized needs>
I feed Sweetwater zooplankton, Mysis shrimp, Nori, flake food. For the Acropora,
I blend (in a blender) phytoplankton, zooplankton, Mysis shrimp, clam and
lightly squirt polyps with a turkey baster.
<hmmm... some issues here (particle size/usability). Read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fdreefinverts.htm
and here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/growingcorals.htm
The parameters are ammonia=0, nitrite=0, nitrate=0-5, pH=8.2,temp=76-78, SG=1.026.Thank
you, RY
<best regards, my friend. Anthony>
"Swingin' alk"
Hello crew, it's me, Margaret. (sorry for the twisted title reference)
<no worries... I'm feeling Swanky tonight and this is likely a Shagadelic
question>
I've been trying to dose Kalkwasser regularly, and in short, the result is that
my alkalinity rises too high after a couple consecutive days of dosing.
<and that has little or nothing to do with Kalkwasser my friend. Kalkwasser
is Calcium hydroxide. In solution it provides A) usable Calcium... and B)
alkaline hydroxide that can temper acids that eat up system buffers... but IS
NOT buffer (ALK) in and of itself. So basically... whatever you use for
alkalinity (SeaBuffer, baking soda, deep sand bed, Ca rector, etc) is what's too
much at present. More importantly... do you know what your systems daily demand
for calcium is? (Namely... have you gone 3-4 days without dosing calcium and
tested the readings before and after, then divided by the number of days to
determine what your tanks needs from Ca doses). This will tell you how much
Kalkwasser or other Ca supplement to dose>
I have experienced the same phenomenon when dosing B-Ionic- there's no way I
could dose equal parts, as the amount to sustain my CA causes my alk to rise
quickly and to borderline-dangerous levels (5-5.5 meq/l).
<agreed on the levels... but it sounds like your system is starting with an
imbalance before using the 2-part mix (necessary to be balanced before using
else the imbalance is carried over). Also, if you do not much the two part
supplement before every use, it gets dosed disproportionately. The same problems
with alkalinity occur if one uses liquid calcium as a primary calcium supplement
(never! its just a temp fix) for several months or more. Eventually a chloride
imbalance occurs and Alk/Ca is skewed>
So, I've been dosing imbalanced amounts of the 2-part for quite some time, at
first regularly while I got my magnesium levels up to par (1380 w/ CA of 425,
alk of 3.5 meq/l, pH8.1 last test, Salifert and Seachem tests) and then
correctively after a couple days' worth of Kalk has caused my alk to climb to
about 4.5 meq/l. In this corrective case, I add only the CA part and no Alk
supplement.
<it is a slippery slope to dose imbalanced 2=part. Simply do large water
changes to dilute the system and get balanced... then resume dosing a balanced
mix>
Alk falls down to 3-3.5 meq/l within 2-3 days with no water changes and I begin
dosing a lowered amount of Kalk.
<which sounds fine... it is unsafe and unrealistic to try to keep ALK and Ca
on the high ends of the ideal simultaneously>
From everything I've read, this propensity for my alk to climb quickly seems
irregular.
<agreed... but you may also have lower than normal rates of calcification in
the tank lending to this condition (low coral load, high phosphates, having used
liquid calcium for more than a couple months prior, etc)>
If you have any insight as to why and how to correct it, I'd be most
appreciative. I just read Anthony's article here on WWM, and have read many
others, but none have addressed this specific issue. I'm currently dosing 1/2
tsp of Kalk per day (46 gal tank w/5G refugium) and watching my alk slowly rise
and CA slowly fall.
<that is a lot of Kalkwasser to use. Are you sure that this amount does not
spike your pH. I'd be surprised if it didn't. Besides... you would literally
need to have 30-40 head of SPS coral (if they fit!) together in this tank to
need that much Kalkwasser daily. Way too much of a good thing here. A digital pH
meter will confirm this>
FYI, my Kalk dosing method is to mix the 1/2 tsp into a gallon of RO water (no
buffers), shake vigorously, then drip in after 3 hours. My DIY dosing container
allows the fallout from the Kalk to rest below the tubing, so that stuff doesn't
(presumably) end up in the tank.
<indeed... I feel better knowing this is a decanted solution and not a
slurry. Still... test for Ca and match with dosing in accordance to the
limitations of a pH jump (less than .2)>
Thanks for any insight!
<best regards, Anthony> Re: High Alk?
The water I use is from a commercial RO system that supplies water to a company
camp. The water comes from a natural spring and is supplemented when necessary
with two shallow wells. The water is very hard and is softened before it goes
through the RO membranes. A quick check of the system verified a problem with
the system.
<indeed... purging R/O product water of 16 dKH!>
I purchased a gallon of Culligan water from Wal-Mart and tested it. Alk is less
than 1 mg/L, and pH is 6.7.
<OK>
Is the other high alk water safe to use in my system?
<dangerously high as it is (risk of precipitation/"snowstorm" of
carbonates>
Can I mix it to around 4.5 mg/L with lower alk Culligan water
<or a little lower. 8-12dKH is a safe range>
or should I dump the 100 gallons or so I have on hand?
<no need... but dilute slowly>
Also, I had a Caulerpa crash several days ago and in the process I yanked all
the nasty stuff from one of my fuges.
<what a dreadful plant for the casual aquarists. Many benefits and dangers to
this genus>
Could the Caulerpa crash have been caused by the high alk?
<probably not... more likely reached critical mass and lacked nutrients to
support its growth or simply went sexual (3-6 month life cycle for most
species)>
Checking the stored water I have on hand I think this problem has been around
awhile. I have done several large water changes recently, at your
recommendation, trying to resolve a low calcium
issue. The large water changes only increased the alk, which finally got me
wondering what was going on. While yanking the Caulerpa I disturbed the deep
sand bed now the water has a hint of H2S.
<heehee... this is starting to sound like a Jerry Lewis skit>
I need to do several water changes quickly, I know, but do you recommend
anything else in dealing with the H2S?
<simply water changes and good aeration>
I Can't win! Out of the frying pan into the fire."
<no worries... you are gaining a fantastic education in the process. Kindly,
Anthony>
Calcium / Alk / PH question
Hi guys!,
<Hey Brian!>
I am having trouble understanding how to get my tanks levels at correct
levels.
<You aren't alone my friend!>
I have a 55g tank with 65lbs live rock and 50 pounds fine sand.. Been up and
running for about two months. I have been doing 10% water changes every two
weeks with Instant Ocean salt mix. and everything looks healthy. I
ordered some Salifert tests and found my PH around 7.7, Calcium 270 ppm and Alk
8 dKH. So while I try and figure out this Kalkwasser drip / slurry / reactor
stuff, I thought I would use the Kent products for now. I have been adding the
liquid Calcium daily. directly into tank and also adding the Superbuffer dKH
daily to raise my PH. After about five days my PH is exactly the same, my
calcium is 320 ppm and my Alk is 13 dKH. I am afraid if keep adding the
Superbuffer my Alk will go way to high. Is there a reason my PH isn't moving? Or
maybe just moving very slowly... Should I be doing something different?
<Okay Brian, I would test your magnesium and correct that if needed.
Depressed magnesium will contribute to lowered/difficult pH. I
suggest Seachem products as they give you a stated dose per volume of water to
get a desired result, no guess work. Right now I would suggest dosing a Kalk
slurry of about 1/2 tsp in four cups of RO/DI water added to your tank in the
early AM just before or as your lights come on, into an area of high current,
slowly. (about 30 seconds is all). This will give your pH a boost and
replace calcium, while you maintain alk with buffer, probably weekly. Make sure
you aerate and mix your change water 12-24 hours before use to stabilize pH,
test before use as RO/DI water usually requires some buffing. For a very
comprehensive article on understanding what is actually happening with your
water, read Anthony Calfo's great article at WetWebMedia.com, search Kalkwasser
using the google search there. Understand that calcium depresses alkalinity and
vice-versa, with all hell breaking loose if both are too high at the same time,
so perhaps just dose with Kalk slurry for now (daily) to maintain calcium at
375-400 verified by weekly testing.>
I have also noticed my only coral. a green finger coral doesn't open
anymore. any ideas?... I am worried I am making things worse. thanks for all
your help! Brian
<See if it doesn't open after dosing with Kalk slurry in the AM and perhaps
magnesium after testing. This should help. Craig>
Another Exciting Alkalinity Question!
I have a new tank that has recently completed its cycle from my first
shipment of live rock. My question is this: I use my tap water which
I filter with carbon and PolyFilters and let it sit for a week with water
movement. After I mix with salt my alkalinity is about 6.5 meq/l. I
know this is high but is it high enough that I need to do something about it
yet? Does a fully functioning reef tend to lower the alkalinity over
time? My tank (and my tap water after salt addition) have
ph: 8.2
alkalinity: 6.5 meq/l
calcium: 350
Should I use a water source with 0 alkalinity for topping off and continue to
use my tap water for water changes? I hate to ask another alkalinity
question but I have looked and looked and haven't found any like
this. Thanks! Luke Burns
<Hi Luke, your alk should be between 3.5 and 5 meq/l. 6.5 is too high. I
would use RO water for new water. It is possible to use the 6.5 water for your
top off that supplements alk, (yes, reefs use carbonate alkalinity to build
calcium carbonate skeletons) but for Kalk or calcium dosing I would use RO
water, not the tap water. The high alk of your tap water will certainly affect
your tank alk, calcium and pH, test carefully to maintain a nominal level as
above. The tap water may also contain other minerals or elements that may be a
problem. Craig>
Carbonate Snowstorm
Hey guys,
Sorry to bother you, but again I have another problem… to make it simple my
tank looks like giant snow ball. I have read over the FAQ and I think that I
should do a water change since my calcium levels are very high, but when I
mentioned something to my LFS they told me that it could be parasites like ich
or something like that.
I really need to ask you guys what you think, right now my tank has
tons of small while “particles” floating around they also attach to the
glass and I need to scrape them off with a razor (that’s why I think its not
ich ) I have 100 gal tank with about 110 lbs of LR and 30lbs LS
the coralline purple algae looks great, and even the water would be ok if not
for the white stuff.
Now I have just set this tank up and the rock has been in for about
three weeks and condition begun about two weeks ago. My skimmer is
still overactive and the only thing that I have added to the water is marine
success buff form red sea. I’m going to have my tap water tested to
see if it could be a cause but other than that I’m clueless what to do.
<Welcome back Pavel. From your description I believe you are experiencing a
snowstorm of precipitated carbonates. You will have to ride this out. Performing
10% water changes over the next few days would help to stabilize the chemistry.
In the future I would recommend that you measure both calcium and alkalinity
with a good test kit and add buffer and/or calcium to replenish what is lost.
You are looking for 350-450ppm of calcium and 8-12dKh of alkalinity. Good luck,
Don>
Once aging think you for your help.
Pavel
Re: Alkalinity and Calcium out of whack. What to supplement?
Sorry about the "dots".
<No problem, just a BTW/FYI>
But as I mentioned my water changes are fine, and any mix with Instant Ocean is
fine, but how do I match my top-off water parameters? I just tried
again and I started with 5 gallons of purified water, aerated, add 1/2 teaspoon
of buffer, aerated, and parameters are PH 7.4, Alk 9.8 and calcium 120. By
adding this top-off water daily I am severely declining my PH... I would
think. I am missing something here? Thanks again
<I would not suggest that you try and match both alkalinity and calcium in
top off. One or the other and then dose the tank to bring the other component up
based on need. For example, Use a buffer to bring dKH to 8-12. Then use Kalk to
dose the tank for calcium needs. To raise pH in the top off, I would recommend
more vigorous and longer aeration to drive off C02. More frequent water changes
(5% twice weekly) may be necessary as well to find stability. Hope this helps
with your problem, Don>
-Brian
- High Alkalinity Low pH -
Hi WWW Crew,
<Good morning, JasonC here...>
Help! Please tell me what to do. <I will try.> I recently bought the
Seachem Buffer. My alkalinity tested >7.2meq/l (which is the max my test
strip will show), and the pH was 8.1. <7.2 - that is very high alkalinity, I
wouldn't be adding anything in the form of buffer at this point.> I added a
pinch of the buffer in. I must have pushed the alk over the limit
because my camel shrimp died. <That could also be coincidence... but I am
sorry to hear of your loss.> The pH had remained unchanged.
Now, 2 weeks later, and with a few water changes, my pH is at a constant 7.6,
but my alkalinity is still showing at the test strip's max at 7.2meq/l. <Time
for you to take a water sample to the store and get a second opinion on your
tests... > Water changes with Tropic Marin salt is not doing any
good because the fresh sea water's alkalinity is also very high. <I also use
Tropic Marin, but have not had issues with high alkalinity... you might want to
test your source water.>
Could you please tell me what I should do to lower the alkalinity so that I can
buffer the pH to 8.3? <You might want to look for other sources that would
pull down your pH - an alkalinity so high wouldn't necessarily drag the pH with
it, but it should make the pH quite easy to maintain at an adequate level. Seems
to me there might be something else - low pH of your top-off
water, Should I test my calcium and add calcium chloride to lower the
alkalinity? <I wouldn't try to lower the alkalinity that way, I would just
let the system come into its own balance - let it be for a little while, don't
add anything, and perhaps slow down your water changing regimen... and as I
mentioned before, now's a good time for a sanity check by asking your local fish
store to run the tests for you. As well, do test your source water and look for
other things in your tank that might be lowering the pH. Lastly, after you run
all those tests, consider d |