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FAQs about Green Spotted Puffer Behavior
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Puffers, Puffers in General,
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BR Puffers 2, BR
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BR Puffer Compatibility,
BR Puffer Systems, BR Puffer Feeding,
BR Puffer Disease,
BR Puffer Reproduction,
Brackish Water Fishes in General,
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Freshwater Puffers,
Burrfishes/Porcupinefishes,
Tobies/Sharpnose Puffers,
Boxfishes,
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GSP Issues, beh., comp.
7/16/09
Hi WWM Folks!
I have a Green Spotted Puffer issue. I have two GSPs (one is 2" and the
other is 2.5") The have been together (alone, no other tank mates)
peacefully in a 10g aquarium for the last 6 months.
<I see... they must be getting pretty big by now.>
Because I love my fish, 3 months ago, I began prepping a 150g marine
tank for them as I knew from reading on this site that they would need
lots of space.
<Indeed; 50-odd gallons for two specimens seems to be the going rate.
Does depend on the fish, with some GSPs (perhaps mature males?) being
more aggressive and intolerant than others.>
I have been cycling this big tank with a dozen or so 1-2" mollies (also
doing very well) for a few months and the numbers look great. I
gradually increased the GSP's 10g tank to 1.020 over months of water
changes and the GSP seem to be thriving and getting along fine. No
chasing, no tail bending, no dark colors, just peace and quiet.
<Good.>
So, two weeks ago I moved the little buggers over to their new 150g salt
tank (1.020 also) to stretch out and enjoy their new vast playground,
lovingly designed just for them, complete with lots of sand, crevices,
holes, caves, and plastic plant hiding places, etc. To my complete
shock, they can't stand each other now!
<Unfortunately, quite a normal reaction. There's a theory called "Dear
Enemy" that says territory holding animals tolerate familiar neighbours
because they are perceived as less of a threat, since everyone already
has a territory, there's nothing worth fighting over. But an unfamiliar
animal is worth being hostile towards because it might not have a
territory and may well be more of a threat in terms of access to females
or resources. This has been studied with various animals including fish,
and seems to explain things like why cichlids in fish tanks tolerate one
another when they're brought up together, but if a new fish of the same
species is added, everyone attacks it. Just so in your case with the
GSPs: In the 10 gallon tank, everyone matured together, and the size of
the tank probably made it difficult for any one fish to establish its
territory completely securely anyway. So a certain level of tolerance
existed. In the bigger tank, the two GSPs were now "strangers in a
strange land" and immediately set about staking their claims to
territories. They were no longer Dear Enemies but rivals, and while you
might hope they'd recognise one another, for territory-holding animals
it is probably true that the individual and his territory are one and
the same thing, so even if it's the same two fish, with two new
territories in place, they're effectively strangers. Male GSPs defend
the eggs and the fry until they're free swimming, so you can fully
expect cichlid-like behaviours from them.>
Neither one of them seems to give a hoot about the herd of mollies
zipping about. The larger puffer spends all day stocking the smaller
puffer and the smaller puffer spends all day trying to elude the larger
puffer, spending most of his day hiding in the rocks. The smaller puffer
even tries to hide in the school of mollies only to be singled out and
chased around mercilessly again and again. GSP seem to be a very visual
hunter because the mean big guy can spot the shy little guy no matter
where he hides. Will this work out??
<Wouldn't bank on it; you could try adding a third specimen to break the
dynamic, and prevent any one fish from being bullied constantly.>
It has been two weeks with no change. Also, when he is not chasing the
smaller puffer, the large puffer spends a lot of time swimming up and
down back of tank as though bored or stressed even though there is a
plethora of stimulating tank décor and no one bothering him. Both have
great color and seem physically plump and healthy, in fact seem to be
growing larger exponentially over just the last two weeks!
<Often happens when moved from a too-small tank to a good sized one.>
Could the higher salinity cause more aggressive behavior in these GSP?
<More to do with sexual maturity. I'm not a huge fan of keeping GSPs in
fully marine conditions, though I admit many people do; realistically,
anything around SG 1.010 is ample, and perhaps optimal, given that there
really aren't *marine fish* as such.>
Is 150g too big?
<No.>
Is it too small for 12 mollies and two small puffers??
<Plenty of space for them, and perhaps one or two more GSPs if you
wanted to add them.>
Should I let them duke it out? May the best puffer prevail?? Please
advise!
Thanks,
Amy
<Cheers, Neale.>
Green Spotted
Puffer - color change 8/20/08
Hello.
<Hello!>
About 1 month ago I bought 2 'GSP' from Wal-Mart. We had purchased from Pet
Smart a dwarf puffer 3 months earlier and were under the assumption they were a
younger version of the GSP. So we treated the 2 new GSP like we were treating
our dwarf (which has now passed on). What I mean by this is that we thought they
were freshwater fish. So for a month now they have been in freshwater without a
hint of salt. I was not aware they needed it until tonight as I reviewed your
site. (and a lovely site it is)
<Thanks!>
So, naturally, I was brought to your site to try to figure out what is going on
with one of the GSP. They both were aggressive enough to demolish a 2" catfish"
and a 13" plecostomus. But that was last week. This week they are not eating and
one looks like its turning black but not on the center of its belly. Around the
puffers belly and its back. He seems to be bumping into things. I've attached a
picture to show the coloring. He has been this way for about 4 days, gradually
getting worse.
<Sounds like water parameters.>
I've checked the water levels in my 55 gal tank- ph 8.0, Alk low-normal, ammonia
0, nitrite 0-0.05. I was unable to check nitrate since I was out of testing
supplies. I moved the tank about 25 miles into our new home about 3 days ago.
This gave a huge water change. Are you able to give me an idea of what is
happening to this fish and if it is harmful to the other fish (well, the fish in
question too). Any recommendations will be appreciated.
<Since you have moved your tank the puffers are possibly suffering from stress.
Puffers will change their colors depending on their moods, like a swimming moon
ring. You water parameters are fine, but I do see a problem. As you mentioned
these fish are brackish and require salt in their water. Juveniles (<2") should
have a specific gravity of 1.005 - .008 while adults (<2-4") have a specific
gravity of 1.010 - .015. Watch your puffers over a few days and if their color
doesn't return, they are either suffering from not being in brackish water
(which you will encounter if you do not eventually switch them) or the onset of
disease. Here is a helpful link about brackish water tanks and GSP:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm ,
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_2/cav2i6/lonely_puffer/lonely_puffer.htm ,
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/bracsystems.htm >
Thank you!
<You are welcome!>
Ryann
<Merritt A.>
Green Spotted Puffer,
beh./hlth. 2-12-08
Hi
<Yunachin here.>
I am new to aquariums but on the advice of a local centre bought a green spotted
puffer to go in my aquarium.
<What size tank? Tankmates?>
I have ‘salted’ the water
<What kind of salt? How much? Did you use a hydrometer or refractometer to check
your specific gravity?>
but have noticed that the white underside of the fish has become discolored (
grayish) especially after feeding.
Is this something I should be concerned about?
<This is a sign of stress indeed. Can you please send me the parameters of your
tank (ammonia, nitrates, nitrites, ph, how long the tank has been running, along
with the answers to the above questions I asked.>
Blessings
<You’re welcome, --Yunachin>
Steve
GSP Question, beh.
10/29/07
I've mailed you before as seen in the conversation below. I have been told
numerous times that you will rarely see your GSP puff. I've had mine for a few
months now and he's been doing just fine. I keep him at my office, so over the
weekend he's alone... I'll throw a crab or some ghost shrimp in before I leave
to make sure he is set before I take off on Friday. This last Friday, I forgot
to turn his light off. Unfortunately, that caused his normally clear tank to
sprout algae where it never has before. When I came in this morning he took one
look at me and blew up into a huge ball! After he deflated he just stared at me
like he was pissed off... could he be just annoyed at the algae? There really
isn't THAT much of it...but that's the only thing that's changed. Is that
normal?
Help? (Thank you!)
-Ashley
<Hello Ashley. Every Puffer fish is different. That's part of the fun of keeping
them. Anyway, Puffer fish sometimes do puff up for no apparent reason. Some
people think they need to "practice" to keep the skin and muscles involved
working properly. Others think they puff up to convey feelings, such as
annoyance or aggression. I have five puffers across two species, and the only
one that ever puffs up is the male Carinotetraodon irrubesco, and he only
partially puffs up, apparently trying to scare away his reflection in the glass.
He can spend an hour at a time puffing himself up and slowly swimming up and
down the back of the tank So the short answer is, don't read too much into your
Puffer puffing. It's what Puffer fish sometimes do. Watch what happens and
enjoy. And no, algae won't harm your Puffer fish, assuming the tank is otherwise
clean and healthy. Cheers, Neale>
Stunted GSPs 8/16/16
<Hi Samantha, Pufferpunk here>
I have 6 GSPs. 2 of them are huge, about 5 in or more, the others grew a bit but
they are tiny and never grew anymore! I have had them for almost 4 years now (I
rescued them all from neglectful pet stores around here).
<Rescuing fish is not always the best idea. They'll just see how well they are
selling & take more of them from the wild to restock & kill. Sometimes it's
better to have a few die in a shop, so they realize it isn't a profitable fish
to sell & they will discontinue stocking them.>
Do you think the lack of proper care stunted there growth that much?
<Possibly but I'd need to know the size tank they are in, what you have been
feeding them, what are the water parameters (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH &
SG), what is their water change schedule?>
The largest of the 4 small ones is 2 1/2in. He has been that size for 2 years.
The others are smaller and have also not grown, while the other 2 continue to
grow still. They all look like GSPs. Could they be different, not GSPs?
<If they all look the same, then they are all, most likely, GSPs.>
Let me know when you get a chance. I know you are probly bombed with questions
all the time.
<No problem! Please answer all the above questions & look here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm ~PP>
Ty Samantha
Green Spotted Pufferfish
Dentistry 8/10/07
Hi,
<Hi Samantha, Pufferpunk here>
I have a dwarf green spotted puffer his teeth are grown together, it has gotten
to the point he can no longer eat!
<What do you mean by "dwarf"? GSPs aren't a dwarf species. They actually grow
quite large--6" not including their tail.>
I feed snails, oysters, blood worms, crab, shell on shrimp and lobster
sometimes.
<All good, crunchy foods.>
I am to the point of catching him and filing his teeth down but I am afraid the
shock would kill him. is there anything I can do ??
<See: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/smpufferdentistry.htm
Also: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm
and: www.thepufferforum.com Good luck! ~PP>
Thanks, Samantha
New Puffer
Owner... GSP... beh., sys 6/17/07
Hi,
<Hi Maria, Pufferpunk here>
I'm a beginning aquarist (freshwater) and I just bought a Green Spotted
Puffer (from Wal-Mart, unfortunately). He's been acting curious and just
exploring the tank for the last few days, but he's just started sort of
resting on one of the rocks.
<Are you aware he isn't a freshwater puffer? I hope you didn't add him in
with your other fish! They can be quite aggressive, nipping fins & ripping
flesh off the bodies of it's tank mates.>
The tank was jolted yesterday and he became lodged in a cave. I gently freed
him but he does seem to have a scrape near his tail. If anything gets near
him, he does swim around but mostly stays on top of the rock. Is it normal
for him to rest that way? He seems healthy otherwise.
<GSPs are fairly active fish, although they do rest at times too. It would
help to know the stats of the tank. Size, tank mates, ammonia, nitrites,
nitrates, pH & if there is any salt in there, how much & what kind.>
Thank you, and I hope the news isn't too bad. (He's adorable and I love
him.)
<Aren't puffers the cutest?!
Check out this article on them for more info:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm
Also, check out www.thepufferfourm.com. ~PP>
Maria
Projectile Puffer 4/11/07
Hello,
<Hi Kat, Pufferpunk here>
As a random background note, I work at PetSmart (yes, I know, but I mostly know
my stuff). Today, I did exactly what I tell every customer I get not to do. I
bought a fish without doing my research first. He/She/It was sold to me as a
figure eight puffer, but I'm pretty sure he is in fact a green spotted sort.
Here's my issue. I acclimated him and got him settled into my 125g tank and went
on my way to work, and 5ish hours later, I get home and can find not a single
sign that he ever existed in my tank! Do they have a habit of jumping out? (I
forgot to put the top glass on my tank before I left)
<Puffers are adept jumpers. I'm pretty sure he's on the floor somewhere.>
Could he have burrowed into the gravel?
<Nope, GSPs are not burrowers.>
There are some plants but I haven't acquired all of my decor yet. If he's in
there, I'm kind of desperate to find him so I can relocate him ASAP (I have a
spare 47 gallon corner tank that I can create as a BW environment for him if I
need to but I don't want to waste the money if he's gone). I got parasite snails
and ghost shrimp and shrimp pellets and frozen brine shrimp to see what he liked
best to eat but not even food seems to be able to tempt him out of [possible]
hiding. What do you think?
<Look around, it may not be too late to save him. If he's damp, try swishing
him back & forth in the water to get oxygen over his gills. Go to
www.thepufferforum.com for more info, especially in their Library. ~PP>
Thanks, Kat
GSP Growth Rate 11/7/06
Thanks for getting back to me, I actually have read that article
over many times...
"I suggest keeping GSPs at low-end BW when juvenile <2", (in a
specific gravity, or SG of 1.005-08), at 2-4", medium BW (SG
1.010-15) and adult >4" SW (SG 1.018-22). You must use marine salt. You will
need a hydrometer to measure the salinity. It takes a cup of salt/5 gal of water
to raise the SG .005. If the puffer you purchase is in FW at the store, then you
should start out your tank in FW and raise the SG .002/week,"
I am pretty sure that I do understand the process but I am just needing to know
exactly how long it will take for my lil' puff to grow to his 6" adult size?
<I can only tell you from the experience I've had with mine--they grew from 2-6"
within 2 years. It really isn't an exact science, as these fish swim up & down
the brackish streams, back & forth between different SGs, eventually ending up
in the ocean. You might want to go to www.thepufferforum.com & search threads
there, for more opinions on growth. Also, please keep in mind, that "cup of
salt/5 gal" is just a rough estimate.>
I'm sure you're constantly being bogged down with questions considering there's
100's of LFS's selling these fish as "easy to care for freshwater fish".
<Yes, especially Wal-Mart! Ugggghhh!!!>
I just want to make sure that I know what to expect time wise... Your further
help would be appreciated. Oh also I am currently setting up a 39 gallon tank
for him and I want to use Black Tahitian Moon Sand... how would this effect my
pH level? Thank you so much for your informative articles!
<That sand is fine but I'm not sure you'll really be happy about how dark your
puffer will be, trying to match it's surroundings. Since I've never used it,
another good question for The Puffer Forum. I believe some folks there do use
the black sand you're interested in. ~PP>
~ChestersMom
Dark GSP 10/12/06
Howdy, dear WWM crew~~
<Hi Linda , Pufferpunk here>
I have read and re-read your posts on this issue with GSPs but after checking on
all possible problematic causes for dark blotches on my GSP, I still can't come
up with the culprit. Help!! I'll try to be as detailed as possible.
First, the background: I am the owner of a beloved GSP (Puffy) who is presently
about an inch and a half in length. My LFS sold him to me as a 'leopard puffer'
about a month and a half ago and until about two weeks ago he was a very healthy
fellow. His colors were fairly light olive with very dark spots (on his back)
when I purchased him but he has started showing dark grey/black blotches along
his tummy where the white meets the color of his sides, with an occasional tiny
black spot where a belly button might be in the middle of his underbelly and his
overall coloration has turned a dull muddy brown on his back, still with a
bright green spot on his 'forehead', his sides are whitening/bleaching out and
his spots fade in and out during the day.
Puffy is presently in a 10 gal. tank awaiting his impending move to a 55 gal.
brackish water tank I am setting up for him as quickly as I can manage it. He
is housed with 4 platies I have had only for a couple of days who will also make
a move with him to the BW tank. The platies are healthy and all doing fine in
the tank, and there is no competition/aggression.
<If you value the platies lives at all, you will remove them. The puffer will
kill them, no doubt. Also they will not appreciate the higher salinity needed
for the puffer.>
As Puffy was sold to me in FW, I have kept him in FW until last week (before
platies arrived), when I began to acclimate him to a low specific gravity of
1.004-1.007 (presently at 1.004, using Ocean Marine Salt), thinking that perhaps
the FW was the reason he was darkening.
<Could be. They are best kept at mid-range BW (1.008-12) when young & brought
up towards marine conditions as adults. I wouldn't raise the SG more than .002
weekly, as not to disturb biological filtration.>
I have had a terrible time keeping the 10 gal. tank gravel clean but have been
performing water changes of 50-75%, while vacuuming the gravel once or twice
weekly as necessary, to keep the grunge down. (I am considering logging into
some forums for good advice on how to clean it better since I cannot get out the
floaties in the water that re-settle on the gravel after I have vacuumed!
I feel I am already changing out as much of the water as I dare to get the
grunge!)
<A better filter/larger tank will help. Are you possibly overfeeding?>
I know I have too many nutrients in the tank because I have had some
difficulties with hair algae and brown algae growing and I am trying to limit
the lighting. I also upped my 20-30 gal. filter to a 50 gal. filter for extra
filtration. Puffy is only being fed 1 time a day and he gets either a defrosted
square of bloodworms, a small amount of dried krill, defrosted square of brine
shrimp or a pond snail whenever I can get one (I'm also having trouble finding
them for sale, and my LFS is stingy on freebies, so I have 2 common pond snails
in a 2 gal. tank and am hoping to breed my own).
<Are you dumping out the water you are defrosting the cubes in through a brine
shrimp net? The "juice" that they are packed in aren't good for your water &
can cause problems.
Here's a better diet for your puffer:
http://www.thepufferforum.com/articles/puffer/food.html >
Water parameters are okay as far as I can tell: Ammonia is at .5 (I've never
been able to get it to drop to 0, no matter what and I started cycling this tank
in July according to exact instructions!),
<Again, maybe from overfeeding. Test your tap water to be sure. Any ammonia is
not "OK" as far as parameters go. Another cause of your puffer's dark
coloration.>
Nitrite 0; Nitrate <20; Hardness 150; Total
Alkalinity 100; Ph 7.8 and am not using any additives other than Ammo-Lock to
neutralize ammonia in water changes, along with Stress Coat for the
chlorine/chloramines neutralizer.
<Better, would be to use Prime.>
Now the question: What else can I do to help this poor GSP? He has been
continuing to eat, but doesn't seem to be very happy - he runs up and down the
tank sides (probably because he is bored or the tank is too small)
<Correct on both.>
or just mulls around the bottom of his tank and his tail fin isn't opened up. I
have tried to be careful not to ruin my tank's biological base when doing the
water changes/change of equipment, and I honestly don't think it's the water
quality but if not, what is it? If it is the size of his 10 gal. tank, well
then, all I have to do is paint the wall behind his 55 gal. tank before
finalizing set-up. I have it outfitted with marine sand (shell) as a base, with
two 50 gal. BioWheel filters, two heaters, heavily planted with plastic plants
and as soon as I can fill it, I'll use live sand to kick start the cycling, with
seeded filters from my other 55 gal FW tank, and a couple of live rocks. Am I
missing anything? Would I be better off using Bio-Spira? Any advice from you
is extremely welcome, as I revere your expertise!
<Bio-Spira is always helpful when cycling but you could also just move the
filter over from your present tank for a month, while the new ones mature (along
with the fish). With just 1 small puffer in a 55g tank, that should be enough
bacteria in that filter to support the fish.
More GSP info:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm
Also visit:
http://www.thepufferforum.com
Good luck with Puffy, he will love that big tank! Don't be in a hurry to stock
it with a lot of other fish. ~PP>
Thanks~~ Linda W.
Bored Puffer 9/29/06
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
I have a green spotted pufferfish (about 2") in a 55 gallon reef tank. He
constantly swims up and down on one side of the tank, rubbing his face along the
side. The rubbing is causing a lesion under his mouth. His color is bright,
his belly is white and he's eating well and active. I recently put a mirror in
his tank to entertain him because I thought he might be bored. Is there another
reason for this behavior or are there any other tricks I can try? Also, how
should I feed him snails? I drop them in the tank but he doesn't see them. Is
there a trick to that too?
<Has this started since you added the mirror? If yes, then take it out. Does
the puffer have any tank mates? Are they bothering him? Puffers really don't
need other fish to keep them company. I think he could be bored. How heavily
decorated is his tank? They need a ton of decor to explore to keep themselves
occupied.
Here is my 55g GSP tank:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/Pufferpunk/Pufferpics/55gGSPTank.jpg
Here is an excellent article on feeding your puffer:
http://www.thepufferforum.com/articles/puffer/food.html
Check out that website for more info on your puffer. I think the lesion will
heal on it's own, as soon as he stops pacing the glass but if you turn off you
skimmer for a week & add Melafix, it will heal faster. ~PP>
-GSP Floating- 9/4/06
<Justin with you tonight>
I just bought a Green Spotted Puffer. I have him in a small tank with a
Dalmatian molly and an upside-down catfish. This is a temporary set-up. I
have been making daily water changes and I am trying to keep this as a
brackish tank.
<Ok, but what kind of water was the puffer in when you bought him, Rapidly
converting it to BW from FW can be deadly, and most fish stores keep these
puffers in fresh water (FW).>
The puffer was active at the pet store. He did fine in the bag on the ride
home. When I put him in the tank, he checked out the molly and chased the
catfish. Now he is floating at the top of the tank and there is no
movement.
When I lightly touch him on the head, he starts moving and swims around
for a while. I watched him again while he is in this floating state. I see
no gills moving, no mouth movement, then the eyes moved.
<Sounds like a bad acclimation, and or something really off in your
tank. Please find out what salinity the puffer was in at the store, and
also have your water tested and reply back with both as well as the size of
the tank etc. I cannot really help you that much other than to say keep
doing water changes and give it time, it will either live or die, by how
stressed it is, and how clean the water is.>
Being new to this fish, I do not know if this is normal behavior or if there
is something wrong that needs to be corrected. I have tried looking through
your site, but had not found any similar questions.
~Stacy
<Please answer the questions above and reply back, will be glad to help more
as this is NOT normal behavior for a puffer. very active and aggressive
hunter/seekers whom always explore the tank etc.>
<Justin>
GSP question regarding black belly coloration 6/19/06
<Hi Suzie, Pufferpunk here>
A 1 1/2" Green Spotted Pufferfish came to live with us a month ago.
<How fun!>
The 10 gallon, 2 15 watt compact fluorescent bulbs, cycled tank that he lives in
was originally freshwater. After research we have acclimated it to a brackish
tank (increasing specific gravity by 0.002 over three separate 25% water changes
in the last three weeks to 1.006). Original values: 20 Nitrate, 0 Nitrite, 75
GH, 80 kH, 7.8 pH, 80 deg F, 0 Ammonia. Current values since the increased
salinity: 20-40 Nitrate (water changes done when 40 to bring down to 20), 0
Nitrite, 300 GH, 120 kH, 7.8 pH, 0 Ammonia. The GSP lives with 1 Black
Synodontis catfish and three zebra danios- no current aggression between
species. There is one live plant, a few fake plants, a driftwood piece, a fake
hidey log for the catfish, an airstone, and gravel in the tank (do you recommend
sandy bottoms for GSPs?)
<The live plants will not fair well in BW, especially as you bring the puffer
towards marine conditions as it gets older. By then he will need a 30g tank
minimum, as he grows to 6" & likes lots of swimming room. The catfish will
really hate even the amount of salt you have in there now & danios aren't BW
fish either. I recommend a substrate of aragonite or crushed coral, to maintain
the pH around a steady 8.>
The GSP eats well (ghost shrimp, mussels, and bloodworms- soon young snails) and
rests after a meal but is otherwise active and curious. He does get the "light
area" on his "forehead" that I have read on this site to be attributed with a
"happy"/non-stressed pufferfish. The other fish do not have any new coloration
or exhibit any unusual behavior. I am concerned because the sides of his belly
turn dark black during the day. These black areas have tiny black spots
encroaching on his white belly. It is primarily complete areas that are black,
not just spotty. They go from under his chin to his tail but do not cover his
belly entirely. I have read about stress lines, black chin, black spot disease
(which I don't believe it is), and nitrate toxicity. He doesn't act stressed, as
he is inquisitive and doesn't swim up and down the glass. He eats well and he
interacts well with other fish (so far... I understand their aggressive
nature). I initially believed that this black area did not get lighter, but in
the past couple of days I have noticed that once lights are out in the tank his
belly
appears entirely white, including on sides. In other words, the black
disappears. Sometimes the belly sides are light grey at this time. How is this
coloration change related to night? Is the black coloration from him blending in
with the black tank lid? Is he more stressed during the day? If so, from what?
Should I be concerned about this coloration? Should I change anything about the
current water parameters or water changes? I have looked on many sites for
information regarding this and the care of GSPs but I respect your opinion and
hope to hear from you soon. Thank you for your insight!!!
<You're puffer sounds perfectly healthy. Many change colors often. As long as
it goes back to white at night (even some healthy puffers appear black all the
time), the water parameters are good, it's swimming & eating, I wouldn't
worry. Check out this article on them at WWM:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm & other articles
in the Library at www.thepufferforum.com. Feel free to post there too! ~PP>
Suzie
Green Spotted Puffers in Trouble - 3/6/2006
I currently have two Leopard Puffer fish.
<<I am assuming you mean Tetraodon nigroviridis; green spotted puffer. Go to
www.pufferlist.com to verify. If so, it is a high-end brackish to SW fish at
maturity, and needs at least 30-gallons per fish. It is often sold as
freshwater.>>
One of them I purchased at Petco in the beginning of January. It was the
happiest fish I have ever seen; swimming rapidly and so excited to see me to
feed him his dried shrimp.
<<This diet must be far more varied. How did you cycle your tank?>>
Then about a couple weeks ago, he started turning a dark color and became
sluggish and not eating well. I didn't change any of my routines. I feed him the
same, change the water frequently, etc. I asked a Petco employee and he said I
needed a bubbler.
<<Likely is a water quality issue, not dissolved oxygen problem. What are your
water parameters (nitrite, nitrate, ammonia, pH)?>>
I purchased one and started using it in his tank and my Puffer was thrilled;
swimming in and out of the bubbles and started eating like he used to and his
color came back. But after a day of that, he went back to his sluggish self and
dark color and not eating. What do you think his problem is? I've told all of
this to the people who work in the fish dept. at Petco and they weren't exactly
helpful besides telling me about the bubbler.
Secondly, I thought maybe my Puffer was lonely, so that’s when I purchased
another one.
<<Puffers do not get lonely.>>
When I put the new one in with the other, my Puffer was thrilled and turned back
to his bright color. Then, after about 10 minutes, my Puffer went back to being
lazy, etc. and the new one kept going to the surface, gulping water or
something, and then staying afloat at the top.
<<There is definitely something wrong with your water.>>
He did this several times and it worried me. He has been swimming around but
he's starting to act like my other one by lying at the bottom. Do you think
there is something wrong with the water?
<<Yes>>
I don't understand what is happening to them. Help?!?
-Melanie
<<Start by reading here:
http://www.thepufferforum.com/articles/puffer/introtogsp.html, and checking
the levels of toxins in your water. Talk to you soon. Lisa.>>
Green Spotted Puffer Hanging Out 2/23/06
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
I have a green spotted puffer. He lays around at the bottom of the tank a lot
until he sees me & then he will start swimming again. Yesterday it looked like
his spots were disappearing (fading). When I fed him his shrimp he couldn't
find it. He was pecking at everything, when usually he has no problems finding
it. I'm not sure of the salt content. I've added 2 tablespoons of marine
salt. It's a 10 gallon tank with a couple of fake plants and a big rock decor
in the middle. The temp stays at around 80F. The store where I bought the
fish has tested the water for me twice and both times its been fine. I thought
he might have had flukes so I treated for that. Hopefully you can help, if not
thanks anyway.
<A 10g tank, won't hold your puffer for long. They grow to 6" & will eventually
require at least a 30g minimum sized tank.
See:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm. Why did you
think it had gill flukes? Puffers are very sensitive to meds. You should never
treat a fish for something without a positive diagnosis. The fading spots &
laying around could mean he's resting/sleeping. Everything you need to know
about him is in the article I linked you to. In the future, please use proper
punctuation & capitalization in your letter. Thanks, ~PP>
Depressed Puffer 1/26/05
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
I have two green spotted puffers and two other puffers all around 1.5 inches. I
bought the two green spotted puffers about one month ago and the other two about
two weeks ago. All of the puffers are fine but one of the green spotted puffers
has turned a little gray and wont swim as much. I checked the water and it's
fine.
<What exactly does "fine" mean? Ammonia & nitrites should be 0, nitrates <20,
pH around a steady 8. What are they eating? Any other tank mates?>
These puffers are in a 55 gallon aquarium with brackish water.
<Again, "brackish" can also be kind of vague. What's the SG? Are you using
marine salt? How are you adding it to your tank? Premixed? Are you aware that
these puffers, as 6" adults, will need at least 30g ea (that's a 120g minimum
for all 4) & marine conditions as adults?>
What should I do?
<Please answer all my questions so I can better help you. Also read:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm ~PP>
Leopard puffer question 12/26/05
I got a leopard puffer and two upside-down catfish; the puffer was nipping at
the catfish and the LFS gave us a cichlid to curb his temper. The problem is
that the cichlid rules the tank now and the puffer seems to be more black and
moody than when we got him. We have them in a three gallon tank. How retarded
are we? <Very! This fish alone needs at least 30g to himself!> How can we
liven up our tank and have harmonious fish?<You need to get two new tanks or
trade in some fish. Your leopard puffer is a brackish to marine fish that needs
salt! The others are all freshwater and are not compatible with your
puff. Now, you also have WAY too much fish in 3 gallons, not a single one of
those fish are compatible with such a small tank. I recommend returning
everyone to the LFS and purchasing a couple dwarf frogs and a Betta if you
insist on that size tank. Otherwise you will need to purchase a new 30-55g for
the puffer and it will need to be brackish and another 30-55g for the others and
it will need to be freshwater.> Thank you, Jason <You're welcome and good
luck! ~Heather AKA LinearChaos)
"Spotted" Puffer Questions 10/3/05
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
I have a question for you that no one else has been able to answer. My two
spotted puffers have begun to lie on the bottom of the tank, or in plants or
decorations with their tails wrapped around their body. However, after awhile
they get up and swim around for awhile. Is this a sign of illness or is this
typical of spotted puffers? Thanks So Much!! Holly
<If your water parameters are good (ammonia & nitrIte 0, nitrAte <20, pH around
a steady 8, SG 1.010-1.015) & they are eating well, then they may just be
sleeping.
Check out:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm
and www.thepufferforum,org. ~PP>
GSPs Turning Black 8-19-05
Hello Mr. Fenner;
<Pufferpunk here>
I read all info on the site for Green Spotted Puffers. I have been converting
them to brackish according to your recommended article's specifications.
I have noticed that since the day I began to add Instant Ocean that they are
turning black on their bellies, rubbing (flashing) against the rocks like they
would with a parasite and a few are getting sunken bellies.
<Are they eating? It is common for a wild-caught fish that have been in
captivity for months, to suddenly show the effects of internal
parasites. Probably not caused by the addition of marine salt.>
I've had them for a few months in freshwater with 1Tbs per 3gal of regular
Sodium Chloride. They flourished. Now, after starting to convert to brackish
water, they are acting thusly. I've lost two already. The SG is still so low I
can't even obtain a reading on my hydrometer yet; so I'm not hastily converting
- I don't think anyway. My water here is naturally close to a PH = 6.4, KH
approx= 36ppm. GH approx= 108ppm. They were in this relatively acidic freshwater
environment and doing fine. They came from freshwater also, btw.
Now I have them up to PH= 7.8, and am concerned that this change been too much.
Or that these puffers were raised in Fresh and thus maybe taking them into
Brackish conditions is simply not worth it. I often wonder if these "parameters"
for certain species really apply when they are raised in opposing conditions and
are not used to (or have never actually experienced) their natural water
conditions.
<A jump from 6.4-7.8 is a huge one! This could very well be stressing out your
fish. How much salt have you added? What else have you done to raise the
pH? Although a pH of 8 is recommended, it should be raised very slowly & kept
STEADY. What are your other water parameters (ammonia, nitrIte, nitrAte)? What
kind of hydrometer are you using? Can you have the SG tested at your LFS
(preferably with a refractometer)? All GSPs start out in FW, but should be
slowly converted to BW & then high-end BW, or even SW as adults.>
I could use some advice quick. In the meantime I've decided to simply remove
about 25% of the water and replace with fresh.
Any help greatly needed and appreciated.
Scott K
<Let me know how they are doing. ~PP>
Puffer is a Killer! 6/14/05
Hello,
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
My name is Nichole, and I recently purchased a puffer fish from a very
stupid store. I know, I should have researched them a bit before just buying
him, I know it's all my fault but the fact remains that they really shouldn't
tell you that he's freshwater and nicely tempered when he's brackish water (I
think?) and quite um...well let's just say murderous.
<unfortunately, a common occurrence with these fishes.>
Now that he's the only one left in the tank (sorry, Molly, R.I.P. Slim and
Tiger, all in one night!)
<Not surprised there either.>
I converted to brackish because I think he's a green puff and I think that's
what they need. He seems quite happy most of the time but when I feed him, his
belly turns grey. I read that that's a
sign of stress, but it only happens when he's eating. I feed him frozen
cubes of brine shrimp. Should I be thawing them or something?
<Yes, you should never throw in frozen food to your fish. In addition to
their body temp dropping from eating frozen food, there is a lot of "juice" that
you don't want to add to your tank. Always rinse frozen foods thoroughly, in a
brine shrimp net. Brine shrimp though, is not a nutritious food to feed to your
fish (mostly water). Read this:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm There is a
link there to a great puffer forum you can go to also.>
His belly is all snowy white the rest of the day, and usually turns white
again before he even finishes eating. He never did that before I went brackish
and it would be really sad if my one remaining fish died. Any help that you feel
like giving would be appreciated, cuz I keep getting in trouble at work for
looking up my fish on the internet. You know, instead of working... Please help
save Shredder the Puff.
<What a great name (considering his rep with you already)! I wouldn't be
too concerned about it temporarily turning dark--mine do the same when they
eat. It's when they are dark & sulking all the time (& not eating) that it may
be a sign of trouble.>
Thanks for reading, anyways. --Nich
<Of course! Good luck with your "killer"! ~PP>
Puffers
Hi, I have 5 Green Spotted Puffers, 2 1/2" long.
and 1 Figure 8 Puffer, 3/4"
How long do these kinds of Puffer live?
<Years if/when kept under properly maintained conditions>
and how big can they get?
<Please see the coverage on WWM: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwpuffers.htm and
the FAQs files beyond>
I have them in a 77gal.
I also read that they should be in 6.5 -7.0 Ph. water, Is that right?
<Mmm, no... should be higher... see the brackish set-up, maintenance sections on
WWM>
I have kept mine in Brackish water at 81*F Ph: 8.0 for 2 years and they're doing
great.
Please e-mail me back, Thanks.
<Be chatting. Bob Fenner>
A question about my puffer
<<JasonC here, giving Bob time to pack for his dive trip.>>
Hi! I have a problem with my puffer and was hoping you could offer some
advice I have a green spotted puffer who is running himself to death we are
watching our poor friend slowly kill himself. He is in a 20 gallon tank, salt
level is 1.010 ph 8.2 temp 78-80 degrees, two filters one of them a Biowheel.
Abe's behavior started when he began to get adult markings, he goes in an almost
constant routine of up and down in the rear corner of the tank, hides when
approached, and is now refusing to eat he will go up to the food and check it
out and then turns away sometimes he does manage a few bites before retreating
back to the corner. We offer a large variety of food: fresh crab, ghost shrimp
are plentiful, frozen brine shrimp and blood worms. His tank companions consist
of (ghost shrimp) two bumblebee gobies. We have done water changes, small
scenery changes (which he used to love) and nothing seems to snap him out of the
behavior. Before the markings started to change he would happily gobble down
anything offered and would hunt down ghost shrimp simply for the joy of the hunt
and seemed rather proud of showing of his round belly. now he is looking like a
refugee of Wal-mart and I am afraid he isn't going to be a part of our family
much longer.
Are there any suggestions you could offer to help my little Abe out?
Thanks in advance Cindy Ivie
<<Gosh, it would seem that you are doing all the right things, and while I don't
keep any brackish puffers myself, I do know that ANY ghost shrimp around my
Porcupine Puffer would just... well, they wouldn't be ghost shrimp anymore. A
couple of things come to mind - one is that some new, biological imperative or
hormonal change have washed over your puffer as it has come of age - and these
things work themselves out most of the time. Doesn't mean the puffer won't scare
you a bit on the way, but time will tell. The other thing I would look for is
perhaps other water issues that you didn't mentioned here - how are your
Nitrates? How often are you changing the water? Seems like you ran the list of
puffer-favorite-foods - is there a food your puffer loves that you haven't tried
- if so, try it now. Best of luck, J -- >>
Puffer's a Chameleon! 3/21/04
OK, thanks. When I'd raised the salinity it went to 1.004, so I removed some
and started at 1.003. I will raise it to 1.004/1.005 next week.
<Sounds like a plan!>
My puffer seems a little weirded out, normal? But, the thing is, he has been
changing colors like crazy! My girlfriend was like, "he is all whitish, he
doesn't look too good, what's up?!" so I go over, and he comes up to me and
before me eyes he changes back to his yellowish with spots?!?!?!
I saw him, he had almost no spots and was an off white color, white, but more an
eggshell or so, different than the white of his belly. But when he saw me and
came over, he straight changed in front of my eyes!
Never seen that before! What's up with that?!
<It's totally normal for a puffer to change colors & spots. They are masters at
disguise & will try to blend in w/their surroundings. Do you have light-colored
gravel? That may make them paler. Also puffers are extremely sensitive &
moody, which also shows in their coloration. Don't worry, unless it's tummy
stays black all the time & they stop eating. ~PP>
Puffer Doing Great! 3/22/04
No he seems normal, just the crazy color change. He may be a little lazy
because I left for the weekend and of 3 ghost shrimp, one ended up having
babies, so I'm still pulling those suckers out. I only feed GSP 4 or 5 times a
week, he gets lazy otherwise.
So the color change is normal? Awesome. And yeah, I read that if their belly
starts to turn dark, not good.... his/hers/its is pure white... probably due to
my 3 a week emails since I got it,... Thanks PP....
<No problem, that's what I'm here for--puffers are my passion! ~PP>
Feeder fish became friends with predator?
I have had my brackish tank, home to my two green-spotted puffers, for a
little over a year. Until three months ago, my puffers were the only
occupants. I threw a guppies in the tank as a little treat and to my surprise,
the guppy was there days later. Not only has that guppy survived in brackish
water surrounded by predators, there are now a total of four baby guppies living
in this tank. The first of the young appeared about four or five weeks ago and
has grown considerably. The other three have appeared in the last three
days. I introduced a new puffer to the tank yesterday and figured it would
probably make a meal out of my unusual little friends, but he doesn't show any
interest. I do not understand. Is this normal or as bizarre as it seems?
<Does seem odd, but this is not unprecedented. Fishes to varying degrees are
what humans label as "autistic", and if the "food" was in the tank ahead of the
predator... it/they might well not be recognized as food items... Consider as an
example the sacred cows of Hindu India... Bob Fenner>
Green Spotted Puffer 4/16/05
<Hi, Pufferpunk here. For future reference, please try searching our site &
FAQs for answers before coming here. Not that we don't want to help, it's just
that the answers are there, if you look. Also, please use proper capitalization
& punctuation, as I have to correct all of that, before it can be posted into
our FAQs, thanks.>
I have a 55 gallon and I purchased a green spotted puffer last week. I have him
with a cichlid and other tropical fish. For some reason no one harms him. Anyway
my question is, why did his color go away? He looked yellow/green with spots now
he looks brown w/spots. The guy told me to add A+ aquarium salt. Also to the
Texas cichlid his color became brown. What's wrong?
Please help!
<Start out by reading:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm. If you have more
questions after that, you can write back & I'll be happy to answer them. ~PP>
New GSP Owner 3/19/05
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
I have read lots of things on the web about GSPs and the set up of their
tanks. I have two in separate tanks, 1 - 10 gal & 1 - 20 gal. and I just
love them. I have been all over your website and have gained lots of
information. I thank you. I know have a better idea of how to control
the levels in the tank and keep my little guys happy. My question is
just how big will they grow? I have seen 3" to 6". Does this depend on
the size of the tank? Or do they have a max growth? My last question is
how long do they usually live?
<Their growth & lifespan will be greatly reduced in a smaller tank. They
grow to 6" & live into their teens, with the proper housing & care. It
looks like you must have missed the most important info we have on these
puffers:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/BrackishSubWebIndex/gspsart.htm
~PP>
Spotted puffer
Hi I have a question about Pufferfish. I bought a spotted puffer about 2
months ago and he acts and looks really healthy. The other day I noticed
something strange , he turned a different shade. He was laying near an ornament
I have and was really dark. When I looked in the tank he came swimming over to
me like always and his color went back to his normal shade. A friend of mine has
a spotted and a figure 8 and he said he noticed the same thing only one of his
turns lighter. Is this normal?
<Yes, normal>
Do they do this for camouflage? Or is it a mood thing?
<Both as far as I'm concerned. Bob Fenner>
Green Puffer
Hi Bob!
My husband and I have 4 Green Puffers. Two adults, and 2 babies. One of the
adult puffers fades really bad in color. Going from his beautiful bright
green, to a pale green to where you can barely see his black spots, and then
back to his beautiful green again. Is this a sign of stress? He isn't acting any
different and is eating like the fat boy he is. I am hoping that you have the
answer!
Thanks!
Stephanie and Doug
<Thanks for writing. Likely there is nothing wrong with the "flashing" adult
puffer. These fish do shift brightness and markings with their moods... this one
is likely just communicating with its kin. Do take a read over the freshwater
puffer section and FAQs on the www.wetwebmedia.com site for more input on their
care. Bob Fenner>
Puffer fish behavior
Hi, my name is Caroline, and I just bought a green spotted puffer fish, and
I have been searching the web trying to find information on their antics, to see
what is normal and not. My fish bobs up and down along the corner of his tank,
and I think it is a little odd. It would be greatly appreciated if you could
tell me if this is normal or not. I just got him yesterday, so it might be
adjustment, I would just like to make sure. Thanks in advance for your reply,
Caroline
<Yes, Caroline, these small puffers do go up and down the sides of their
aquariums... perhaps in response to their own reflection... and will "sit on the
bottom" as well... all normal/natural behavior. You might find more on these
fishes by using the "Google Search Tool" on the bottom of the homepage, here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/
Insert the word freshwater (or) brackish puffer. Bob Fenner>
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